sit down and get your recording going got it Madam Clark is recording this time yes sir okay thank you good morning everybody how's everybody today afternoon I guess it is now two minutes that well an hour till afternoon yeah um record is working right yes sir okay thanks very good would you please uh call roll yes sir Miss Barrett here miss Barrow here Mr Chapel here Mr Haney here mayor Kelly here we only have one simple small item it's just not a binding uh conversation that we're having today but I want to tell you for the past three or four weeks the C the members of Staff have been working on the 2425 budget we weren't able to have everything we wanted because obviously there's not enough revenue for that but we have come to a an an agreement that we would like to present to the C very soon um we would like to recommend that the adorm not increase and not decrease but it remain the same in order to move forward with our projects and plans for 2425 this is today what we vote on today is not binding this is what goes to the uh uh the taxation office at Bay County and goes on your trim notice as the possible the possible advore for but we are not we are not going to increase it we already discovered uh Mr soman CH uh CJ Patterson and Hutto already know what they're going to get in their budget and we've already put it in the budget and the numbers balanced out we finished balancing it out yesterday and then after today we'll be getting it for you guys for a workshop so um what I'm asking the council for today is uh uh to vote on uh using three Mill as the Ador assessment to the citizens of Parker for 24 25's budget we have to have a first and a second then we have to vote on it I'll make the motion as a public comment this whenever you get a motion in a second you could take one second ma'am thank you do we have a motion yes I make a motion thank you do we have a second second we have a first and a second ma'am you have the open floor for public comment thank you mayor C6 1344 Stratford yes ma'am um glad to hear that at this point it sounds like that we're based upon what you said I understand this is interim for the trim notice y but you said we're not going to raise it no ma'am so is that I mean that's done deal between us now the council might tell me otherwise but as it stands right now okay um we can live um inside the parameters of the numbers that the auditor has told us we will obtain with the three Mill of ADV valorum now you know we voted 230,000 of that comes out every year for the srf we already voted for that yes and that's what our water department is going to use for putting the new water system in the city of Parker which will be new growth and the rest will go to public works for equipment and everything that he uses every day for reproving the city okay and actual Public Works projects I would think too road paving that kind of thing some of it will come from there some of it will come from the infrastructure sales tax some of it will come from arpa but we will um the next time we meet in this room for a council meeting Mr suland has got Billboards that he's going to put on the wall so that everybody that can come here will be able to see the projects are in motion and what the projects will be for the future perfect thank you thank you ma'am sounds great yes ma'am I just have one more question do we know how much property tax was collected this year through the adoran process I could tell you a guess but Julie's behind you do you know off the top of your head on the spot okay do that if you would you tax was I think it was 825 but I'm not positive thank you sir okay yes ma'am go ahead this is not my question I got a phone call so is it recording oh yeah so I don't know what the phone call was from but it was from okay Janette Howard 1123 East Park Street yes ma'am so last year um we we proposed a 3.8 Mill no three mil I know we proposed a 3.8 millage that dropped down to 3.0 right and all along it was uh we needed $800,000 to prevent Tony from losing his money right well no that's not true a portion of it okay so what I want to say is we were stealing Tony's money that's never mind okay reallocating reallocating okay so so he should not have he should have had his full budget so we needed 800,000 um and I recall that Stacy GTH our previous Council member she got with Dan s the property appraiser to determine so we started with 3.8 and 3.8 was going to get us across the Finish Line then she met with Dan s and Dan s gave her numbers and said you don't need 3.8 you can you can drop it down to 3.0 and you'll still get $800,000 we could have dropped it down to 2.0 but the job wouldn't have got done and the 38 would have been better for the city of Parker because many projects did did not get funded okay it's not recording that was the phone call it's says it's streaming says it's streaming bear with us a second okay I wouldn't have gotten a phone call in the meeting unless it was not working thank I wasn't involved in the conversation with miss galberth and miss so so is there is whoever's calling you is a problem with receiving because it's being transmitted you hear I I didn't take the call because I didn't want to be rude I hung up on the call so okay well anyway go ahead ask your question so we can move on so I guess my point is um last year we were at least told that Tony needed $800,000 right so we started with 3.8 millage ver laurum then we looked at all the properties in Parker and found out that 3.8 was too high we could reduce it down to 3.0 um and still get the $800,000 that that Tony needed yes so I'm a little bit concerned that we're voting on it today without going through that process of what do we need do we need $800,000 do we need 900,000 ,000 do we need $500,000 we need more than $800,000 how much more double so why not bump it up to 4.0 why don't bump it up to 12 why not because the people have to pay and we're not doing that I am not taxing the people to that degree but what if you don't need 3.0 we do need it desperately okay so the numbers should show us that so let me I don't think you fully understand what you're saying the city uses its infrastructure adum water tax sewer tax everything to run the city our objective is to not use money generated by Public Works to run the entire city okay it would you take the budget of fire police in admin and add that up and that exceeds the 3% that we currently ask for in ad VOR exceeds it three M three M three mil so if you were to go with less it would take long it would take more of Mr sumlin's revenue from from the water department to run those departments if you would go with more which in the future the law may require then you will have to go to 10 mil 12 mil to be able to earn take enough Revenue to be able to run fire police and public works I'm sorry fire police and admin but at this time we're able to still use some of the money that comes from the infrastructure and from the water department Sewer Department along with the three Mills of adorm to be able to make a comfortable balance amongst all the Departments all the Departments did not get what they wanted did not did not and and I don't get what I want no you're right who does right so you you you make it you you make compromises and the compromise is three mil and shouldn't have been 38 should have been 38 last year yeah and and I took a poll on social media I know that you all are reading it I appreciate how many people were in your poll 20 people which 20 people out of 5500 which is which is far more than I ever get far more but 90% said they want the adoram taxes reduced and they never speak they never speak so I can't do that man and and why are why are they for I I just think that you all you probably know it but why should we care about that what they think because well I care what they think well we we care we care because I've lived here for 15 years and I've lived with the luxury of never paying an ADV valorum tax yeah we all lived here for many years and this is a sudden and drastic change Y and um and my taxes didn't go up 3% they went up almost 25% okay and and what you Mills 25 Mill 25% Mill is not the okay so I can tell you that I paid $2,000 in taxes in 2022 and I paid over a thousand dollars more in 2023 okay so that's that's not 3% so it's not 3% um so so that so we need to appreciate why people are at odds with increasing or even maintaining everybody's bills because we live we were able and and your answer mayor Kelly and I will respect that answer if your answer is it's just inflation it's more than that though it's just the overall cost of everything so for 14 years that I lived here you never needed an A Penny from me for for the last 50 years we should have already had ADV vorum tax okay and that's what the people of Parker need to hear as in addition to the before me nobody was willing to say we've got to have advore I'm not a tax person I don't believe in excess government I don't believe in excess tax but I do believe in the city of Parker remain in the city of Parker and the only way that can happen is with three Mills of adval tax so that we can continue to improve the city for future growth they may they may long after I'm gone be a time when we can take in enough tax money through adalum from Commercial Business the residents don't have to pay it I heard that last year it's possible I heard that last year I heard it's possible Miss last year that we won't we're going to get a development just like East Side flat or east space flats and when we get this water line in ground people will start to buy the vacant Lots fire protection will go into play people's insurance will start coming down new construction will start and it won't just be a hamburger house coming on Tindle Parkway we're going to see growth across this entire city people are going to take vacant Lots they're going to build new homes and and eventually the parkway will be full of commercial buildings and businesses that are going to spend money in Parker it's so much money that it's crazy we do the math me and Mr sum we write around the mornings and we say to each other look that's starting to build that there now eventually we'll draw the revenue from that the people won't have to pay no more I hope that's true I hope it happens before I die I hope it's before I die or move away but but um um so I have no problem paying taxes I was in the military my whole life and you didn't get to question question your taxes you pay the taxes right okay I I am for paying taxes what what I am also for is understanding how you're spending my money well we have a budget we run off the budget so I would like for for for you to tell me how much you received last year and how much you're going to need next year yes okay Julie she can tell you okay so thank you so much okay M would you tell everybody I can't just tell one person how much do we take in ad VOR yes so far for this time period for this last year yeah we've gotten $773,000 the three mil we are still transferring 662 th000 in change to admin fire and police from utility does that make it sense at this time in the budget that we set down with with the 3 mil we are still having to transfer 63 6 62,000 something like that to run the Departments so from utility right now so miss GTH meeting with them i' never heard that but three M doesn't cover so that we still don't have to whoever gave you that information it was erroneous incorrect but that was incorrect let me you all for mons and months and mons so we projected we projected off we've never received it before so they looked at the values of the things what we could not decide was who was getting tax exemptions and how much we would actually get so at 3 mil with what we projected we thought it was going to be $830 some odd thousand we did not no 773 right not 300 correct so this year with department heads meeting and having to cut things from their budget we are still 662 th000 and change with not change if if it did it would be more but we are still removing that will you like sty no I know went up and I'm his your property wasn't just from Parker three mil it Al B County as a whole reassessed number one and increased your home values and number two B County on on top of the tax they decreas the water and SE by 9% par what Julie you're absolutely right when we talk about mil and when you represent your people in Parker right um they're paying 14 mil they're paying 14 mil with Bay County the schools the mosquitoes but man we don't have no control over there and that's what I'm saying they're feeling the pain is what I'm saying we went up from Z to three and Bay County went from 4.5 4.0 to 13 to F no to five okay they went up a point okay so when you hear people that say they can't bear the burden of keeping the taxes the way they are just have an understanding why they're saying that Bay County is taxing them and who knows next year B County may go up another millage they may they may and and what I say is they don't we don't have an opportunity like we do here I appreciate and I thank you all for having this me we don't have an opportunity to speak to Bay County we we received a letter in the mail ma'am last month that said we're going to increase your water and sewer by three three and six% we don't no control over that we did not raise our water bill last year and I don't know if the council's going to raise the water bill the 3% this year but if you continue to get the county to have to pay them more for their service and we continue not to raise ours eventually you're going to start eating your adum tax just to have water in your pipes it's just is because 3 Mills sounds like a lot of money if you get to live in a big city but here it's less than 800,000 and it just doesn't go very far it doesn't go very far when I have to buy a vac truck how much is it tone3 530 one years of adval one truck that's just what it costs yes go ahead so um Paul Palmer 1135 West Street so so one thing I don't understand you know coming from the private sector and how we Finance versus the public sector so if we're buying a truck that has a say a 10year lifetime or 15 then um are we proportioning that that expense over a period of time so that that we make payments to the bank if that's what you're referring to well yeah well it's okay we don't really get to depreciate things in in in government you run them till they blow up right so so when we say we need 530,000 for a vac truck vac truck really in in a yearly budget it would boil down to maybe 50,000 or whatever it is a tenth a tenth of whatever it is yeah what whatever it is 57,000 plus interest so um and and I think what I kind of hear what I you may recall that I was a very Avid supporter of putting on the ad bam taxes yeah primarily because the auditor had said should we not take care of our financial problems here the state is going to merge us with another city so we were really under a very realistic gun okay so but I think what would be really useful is to see a really good here's the layout here's the budget here's the income that's coming in ETC and I think you know the more we communicate the less there is uh uh uncertainties about what's happening that's that's my only intake thank you sir you're welcome okay um we have a motion and a second on the floor there's no further comments uh we need to uh we need to have a vote so miss Barrett yes Miss Barrow Barrow no Mr Chapel okay we're voting on keeping it at 3% yes sir three Mills three Mills three Mill Mr Haney yes mayor Kelly yes absolutely yes and as we move forward ladies and gentlemen and we have a budget and a workshop I'll be happy to sit down with you and explain it to you line by line line by line and if I don't know the answer I'll find somebody who can tell me the answer because this budget we've worked on it and beat it and beat it and we've taken people out of it and we've taken equipment out of it and and there's going to come a time when we will have caught up right how do we do that more people that build the more three Mills you get right right so you put a pipe in the ground and you push water in the form of poble water and the form of fire hydrants all the way through Parker where it's in bad shape right and then people start to build and when they build we start making that revenue from their income and eventually we wouldn't be having this conversation if this had been done years ago we would have had a half a mill to start with with 20 years ago it would have slowly increased based upon the need and we wouldn't even have this now and this young lady sitting in the second row she would be saying well she lived here 15 years and no one ever did it well they should have done it should have paid it should have absolutely paid it ridiculous well you know it's it's really strange when you look I I remember when we were getting we were first having the discussion we're one of the few cities in the whole state of Florida 11 there were 11 right and those cities had um income coming in from tourist taxes tourist tax bed tax have any tourist tax really really an anomally when it comes to how we were financing that's right we were right anyway all right I just think maybe if I don't know if we normally publish uh the budget that's too big to publish I don't know can we figure that on the internet I'd rather sit down here and explain it to you that way if you have a question I can show it to you yes ma'am how about the AIT is it due soon uh we finished it they said it was a great audit I don't know that we have the new book yet not yet the new book hasn't come yet you'd be welcome to come up here and look at it absolutely I would like to share it with the people of it's not finished yet it's not finished but I've had my exit briefing the people that replaced um the last individual who was in charge have sat in my office and told me best audit we've ever had everything's on the top everything was fine um I I believe everything they tell me I absolutely have no reason to suspect any problems they've said everything's great so I'll be happy to share it with you as soon as I have it mayor remember you when the city does the report which is due I Believe by August 5th it has to report not only the proposed millage rate U did they give you a roll back rate when they sent you the form no I don't know um you need to find out what your roll back rate is because that that'll be a requirement on that form yeah and then you have to tell uh the property appraiser the time date and location of the public hearing uh for the city council to consider the proposed millage rate and tenative budget so okay you need to think about and I suggest maybe you we got to notify them by August 5th come to that's by August the 5th y sir so that's got to be done and remember it cannot be on the same day as the count Comm right or the school board right so it has to be on a different date right Suzanne had set up tentative dates that we should pick a date okay for all right another thing I'd like to pass along to everybody in case you don't understand when you get your tax notice that includes a whole Gambit of stuff the Parker doesn't provide because we can't the jail the sheriff the school system all of the different things that we enjoy every day as citizens of Bay County we pay for all of that everybody lives in park Parker pays for that and we have no control over what Bay County does to me none they send us a letter and this is it's not saying oh mayor would it be okay if we did this they say oh mayor this is what it will be and that's okay that's fine but there's going to come a time where we can't keep passing up these three M raises in the water bill because we're having to pay out 9% to the county what about the depreciation on our end we were Julie what was the amount of percentage we' have had to have in Mills if we hadn't covered the budget was it was it 8 m something and see all of the things that we're paying for Now ladies 20 years ago we should have been taking care of this 20 years ago they should have been taking care of the infrastructure 20 years we should have had one meal to start 20 years ago you're lucky that we have so many people that still provide free services to Parker but anyway does anybody have anything T like to talk about maybe do you want to go ahead and set the the date date and time let me run grab that we've got a list already set up think it's like September 19th was one of just has to be approved by the by the council okay thank you Mr Shan so you'll have a resolution there that will will come back to the city council that will indicate that amount uh of the millage that you all ultimately decide on Y and then it'll it'll talk about a roll back rate and percentage above the roll back rate right uh that'll be one resolution then the other resolution will be the budget okay well we still need to and when we going have that by September though that'll be in September whenever you deci what date ready for the council to start reviewing the budget we're ready for some workshops and we're ready to go Mr Palmer before you leave I have a question for you the gentleman that you were helping me with was those old mobile homes yeah are you still in contact with him yes and could you find out me what he wants to do with that property okay so um I got a guy wants to buy it from him all right so we've had uh we've had uh had another contractor come in to remove the uh he's got all the trailers ready to be torn down okay great so that he's starting the process just Runnings into okay now let me ask this question does EPC when they issue a permit do they come back and check yeah you talking about demo permit yeah yeah they come back see if it's been demoed demoed and also to make sure that they've kep the sewer and all that stuff so sand don't go down in the ground okay all right but yeah he's he's definitely I mean like so he was his whole thing that was holding things up before uh was related to the uh didn't want to anybody out I understand but they're gone they are all gone now thank goodness is the person want to buy the whole thing Lock Stock and Barrel he'd like to talk to him about it okay but I'd like him to get it clean up as quick as we can um we're getting ready to start code enforcement in that area pretty heavy so uh not just on your street but a couple blocks over okay sounds good what about what about that property right across from me the old house that was the you know you can't see all cover by the Jungle the BL house the green block house I'll have to go look at it well know right across a road was part of the Old Bailey yeah yeah one side I there was there's still This Old House it's just filled with rats and pums and everything who owns it um well it's it's his sister is now the owner of the property ah well I'm sure when we get started on this the code guy will definitely find it well the thing is here's why the Cod guy would not because you can't see it from the street anymore I see it would walk road and taking a PE to see that it is totally abandon I has been a me house it probably has well I kind of keep my eye out that do you okay all right sir thank you okay so the dates Suzanne suggested are Tuesday September 3rd and the final for Monday the 16 September 3D would be the date that the County Commission meets don't they meet the first and third Tuesday of every month so it wouldn't work for that day well no she she had looked that up but I can't remember what she said maybe they were meeting later or earlier it seems to me that in the past that the council had to meet on a day other than two that's correct like it cannot be on the 4th it can't be on the 10th or the 17th because of those things the council the school board so you you all may want to consider something like maybe a Thursday okay what we need to do well the 16th she said was a definite a definite no or yes she want to set that Monday yeah the 16th but if you can't do it on the 3D I we have you know um noticing deadlines too um I don't know about the second can we call it tomorrow verify yes we can and then get with Mr Sloan and find out what the best solution would be I would say for I mean because we did look at it I just I can't remember the meetings but but your meeting mayor uh in August is not until after the deadline so so we would have to have two meetings then we have a regular meeting and then the meeting for this to you pick the date time and obviously the location is here but the date and time would be the requirement okay well we'll find out we'll verify that with Susan yes and then we'll let the council let you know about the date and time of the meeting because there's only one item going to be on the agenda right that's the bud let's make sure we're that we're on the same page you're going to have a very short meeting to confirm the date and time of the meeting at which the millage and the budget are going to be approved yeah okay so meeting just to do that why can't we just be called and know what date well going to be in case the property appraiser wants it in an official action well can I just call her right now and see if the third was was okay for the commission absolutely and and in that way everybody's here right now do we need to keep everybody in Council to do that I don't think we do you can take a res yeah but then they'll have to come back and vote on it okay be just a second be just a second okay we'll sit sure what would you like to know don't ask me nothing about pickle ball Nole thank God it's advertised ad y interested no social media I'd like to share it with the people that live in Parker but I couldn't find it I found the code enforc officer and Mr darling Jamie's not position no it's going to come from the outside and uh and we have one application so far and I recall last year there were 20 applications yeah watched the news clip from last year and it said 20 people applied they did 20 people applied last year Y and and no disrespect but we're looking for somebody that has more experience than say uh how do I say this not sound rude we're looking for someone to be our clerk that's not had one year's life experience selling uh chocolate or Donuts I want somebody that's got more experience than that and they will go CLK school or they may already have Clark school or they they may already have a master's degree so you know the is still ,000 48 48000 yeah that's good that's good Florida statute does no longer requires that it says if you are a insurance good insurance I was pulling your leg man' the Florida statute in January is going to dictate how much you can pay a minimum for a salaried employee so we won't have that opportunity to pick that anymore minimum no it'll be probably close to 58 it's I I don't it could be 90 I don't know yet what the job's going to be it's going to be based when you read the ad it's based on your job experience so I go to IND is that where you thank you so much oh so the third no one is meeting that day that's why we picked the third okay so the thirdd at what time 501 okay is that okay for you Council so you need a motion to approve that date for the for the meeting for the proposed millage rate and tenative budget to be considered that's September the 3 at 501 and we need to we have to vote to to say that's going to be good so do I get a motion five 51 after lab but I'm looking at the County commission website and it says they meet the first and third of every month look at the calendar it's not on there they're meeting on the third we just looked at it because we can't meet on the same day they are they're meeting on the fourth I'm sorry they're meeting the second and the fourth yeah they're not meeting on the third be second is Labor day see you so they're going to meet that month on the 2 and fourth and not the thir right and when is the school board meeting do you know I don't but it's not that day because we checked okay what month is the second year the second meeting oh it's September September that's Labor Day SE lab no Labor Day right we said the third September third but that is Labor day Monday second would they I don't know about that I think you may want to consider a non Tuesday fair fair enough for me pick a day Mr SL you're the one leading the charge on it well Thursday how's Thursday grab you want do Thursday the 12th Thursday the 12 is was inside the deadline yes sir it has to be by yes is it a holiday right very good thank you maam is that camera transmitting all right okay all right that's the date then then we're set then the third all right so you need a motion a motion of the second for the third at 501 Okay the third September 3rd September yes at 501 and um the second meeting Suzanne said the we got to vote on the first one first need a motion ladies and gentlemen we got a motion and we meet on the 3 at 50:1 second second callor roll please miss Barrett yes Miss Barrow yes Mr Chapel yes Mr Haney yes mayor Kelly yes thank you next thing Mr SLO that's it mayor for right now okay what about the other day well you already have a meeting on the third because uh I've done notices that indicated having your regular regular meeting on the third on the third anyway so you'll be here at 5:30 for that do knock out two birds with one stone well you were saying the 16th she was talking about the 16th do you need to set that now I'm not sure what you're talking about she said the final I'm not sure Suzanne told me no it has to be between day 65 and day 80 and I think that's the 3D through the 18th uh so if you do it the third I don't she actually said the 2nd through the 17th but then that should be that should be your your hearing I mean I'm I'm not sure what other date you're talking about it's a resolution it's not an ordinance so you don't have to do two different readings resolution okay let's go what we got you can find out for okay all right sounds good Mr Chapel anything for the floor yes um on the 30th we have a town hall meeting are we having it or yeah okay Tuesday it did say but uh I don't know I don't have a reason not to have it so unless you know I feel like we should because people like to come and speak and yeah look at each other and fellowship and whatever I think it'd be fine Mr Haney you got the floor sir you good Miss Baron nothing man I have nothing ladies and gentlemen thank you for your time so don