##VIDEO ID:YbenMbx3g9Q## on the right side of the storm yeah so it depends how large that side of the storm gets that'll be dependent on our Windfield and there's our storm s watch yeah six to8 6 to 10 feet um 10 to 15 ft just north of us starting about in Citrus County going north if that storm shifts anymore to the east we're probably going to see that 10 to 15 ft dip down into our area as you know we're a very shallow shell from Pasco County our our floor extends very much very very far out into the Gulf that's one of our downfalls I have a question yes ma'am um how long will it take for the storm to be out of like Pasco County I heard it was moving quick if it's moving fast it'll be out by late Friday evening probably around 10:30 11 o'clock which you start seeing it clear up in the last two days any question um so the red is 6 to 10 ft yes but when I look up at the key it says 12T so which is it what do you see 12 feet uh key up top the key up the top that that that's a state that's an NWS thing I don't have an answer for that so I just know we're being told verbally by the weather forecasters 6 to 10 feet so that's what we're being told okay so will we be experiencing with winds on Friday or is it just mostly rain bands it be rain bands you might get some wind within the rain bands but it shouldn't be that severe you might get some strong gusts and that's rip currents we really don't have to worry about rip currents and on our side of the county on this side of the coast it's mainly on an east side of vent there's our rain um for the next seven days um and we're looking anywhere of about 5 in 6 in overall for the next 5 to 7 Days depending on the heavy Pockets that also pass through on top of all the rain we got from Debbie and yes sir we're adding to it so flood watch we're all under a current flood watch because of the storm coming by um our rivers are are pretty good uh the ERS river is pretty good the only one like I said is one at Worthington Gardens um that went back up in the minor flooding um yesterday I think the with Luchi Cody River too is not in great shape they had flooding the other day just from rain down at the near like downtown Newport Richie okay uh rainfall departure is over 30 days um as you can see we're in that nice dark purple um and that's 5 to 6 Ines over the last 30-day rainfall because we've had that little lull in there thank goodness just try to dry out and get a new roof put on my house that's important oh yeah uh flood guidance uh you see we're in the green so we're we're pretty good um we do have some capacity on the east side of the county I was talking with Barrett and Jason mckl today uh Silver Oaks golf club um they've pumped down about three and a half foot of water so in the event they still have some capacity to push it back up into the golf course again if they have to right but they're not P they're not pumping now are they no they're they're not doing any active pumping right now uh one of the reasons is because of the warington gardens River going up again and the there's nowhere to put it there there's no really good infrastructure to pump it to right now everything is pretty much full yeah um there's our watches and warnings um I mean watches uh were in for minor impact uh for weather uh coming to Thursday we go to a slight um that's when the storm should be right on top of us and going by and then on Friday uh we still go back down to a minor chance of thunder that's because bands will still be passing through and has the uh possibility of dumping more rain on us coastal flooding um continues uh we're not really in that area it's mainly up in that North east side of the state and that's our River gauges so we are pretty good with our River gauges um the only one that is is the worington garden one that's in minor flooding right now and then St John's river of course we don't have to worry about that one that's Way north of us and then this is our for tornado so we're in that marginal risk uh for tornadoes when this storm as it comes by us and then that's this other system comes out that's another system that's out there that's not going to affect us it's going to make that right hand hook and then that's really about it and then there's one other slide that I had that I had sent to stefia it was the flood slide can you blow that up a little bit that's all our Coast on Pasco that's all our Coast on Pasco so anything is red that's that 10 foot surge Mark and as it rolls backwards it drops down uh the Orange is 6 foot and then the yellow is I think believe uh 4 foot can you can you also show the rest of the camera yeah I was going to say can you scroll like because I can't see my area either down more keep going okay thank you so the Orange is six feet I'm one house away from being [Laughter] yellow okay um so the orang is 6et so as you see we are going to be impacted heavily if this storm can you can you go back and want to see the river the uh into Newport Richie so I was looking at too um where is that red where it's all red which part where River North of C Cecilia right there where she yeah where's all that let me think that is I believe downtown Main Street that is the P Cody River coming in I believe uh that's south of downtown that's here's GF Boulevard is that like gray preserve and over there someone who knows more than me um what's yellow yellow I believe is fouret let's see 54 isn't isn't gray at the end of PL and row PL and ran yes so where I think where it says where it says north of Bailey it's just Cody River West Cody River so but as you see we are going to be impacted heavily um depending on how when the surge comes in how much wind that we have pushing on it is going to be dependent how much water exits when it goes tries to go back to low tide if we have continuous winds it's going to hold that water in and then when our next high tide comes around it's just going to build on top of that so mandatory for a starting when tomorrow morning so we're going to give them one day to pack up and leave that that's ma'am that's all we have why AR we say saying it today or this afternoon I'm just was discussed and and the consensus of the discussion was to start the first thing in the morning is that going to be a problem with our roadways if hillsbor are doing the same thing so I I don't believe so um historically it has shown the only other storm that we really had that had a major impact on our roadways was irra back in 2016 and that's was because it was going to be a direct hit on us historically has shown we order evacuations in Pasco County people don't move they don't listen they don't we just had we had idalia and we open shelters up I ended up with uh 15 people in special need needs and I think we had 20 people in uh general population yeah I think this is a whole different animal though than deie they they won't act it is a different animal but they'll still think they are complacent we I preach it to I'm blue in the face and the citizens of Pascal County are complacent and I would like to see that change I wish there were ways we could make it change but unless it happens to them they don't listen so what time is the weather going to deteriorate around Thursday be early Thursday morning probably about 3:00 so they have all day tomorrow um into tomorrow evening to go ahead and make their move shelters are opening at 4:00 um we have five schools that we've opened up uh the Fano shelters being opened up for special needs at 9:00 a.m. and we open that one up super early because it involves Transportation with ambulances and things like that uh Wire Grass High School is also going to be used as a special needs but unfortunately um with the discussion with the school board today um they are very adamant on continuing classes because of school hours and early week I tried for early dismissal today and and they would not even budget that so we had to wait till 4:00 so but we do have ample time it's 17 hours when we do an evacuation for Zone a and that's the mandatory one BNC we put in there because of the possibility of water getting that far in is that going to happen most likely not but as a a precautionary measure absolutely we're going to ask for it are you showing the zones do we have a map of the zones here of the evacuation zones yeah because I don't think you no I do I don't but we could pull it up on the website and um what so if you want if you start evacuation tomorrow what does that mean you have till the sun goes down or till midnight or when do you want people out by so when we order the mandatory evacuation we want them to start moving then so it is being it is on the the count um the media our multi our media relations group is messaging that out they are putting out that the evacuation will start tomorrow morning um they've already put out what schools we're going to open up the shelters we're going to have open for tomorrow uh we're going to open up an employee shelter at phsc as we open always do all the shelters will be pet friendly um so so schools are going to be open even though you're having the emergency order the evacuation yep because there not I can't move it any other way I if I tried to get the schools uh Mr and Branford and mic on the line with me that the school board would not budge and and it's all tied and I understand their angst because it's tied to State Statute and school hours so they can't make those hours up once they lose them so I'm at tie it at the hands of them um so can you go over what the different zones are here so red is Zone a um that's our Coastline and then we have some interior portions that are along rivers that we that get heavily flooded um yellow is Zone B uh and then we go Zone C is um uh the green and D is the the blue um and then we have e uh which I believe is purple but we really don't have that many on purple what's the orange the orange is B okay you said yellow is B so orange is B red oh orange is b yellow is C green is D blue is e okay that's easy for you to see um should we should we um have something like this with those numbers letters on it so that we can put it in our you know email blast or newsletter or whatever so it is in our disaster guide the center of our disaster guide yeah but I can't mail out the I can't do that in a email blast in a moment when we can provide you a product like that that shows those yeah I need that PDF right you guys who have newsletters we I think the other map that showed where the flooding is going to be is is probably even more relevant though both of them I think I think well I think both is good but I think that that other one's is going to show you actually what this is going to do yeah so that other graphic I just showed you that graphic is going to change so it's going to change with the track of the storm so what what might be all red might turn a little bit of oranges what's oranges might turn to Red it's going to be dependent when the storm emerges in the Gulf has a definitive eye and we get an actual direction of where that Center of that storm is because right now it's just a blob they know where the center of the blob is at but they can't pinpoint the exact center and where it's going to emerge over the Cuban Coast there there was a lot more red in Gul Harbors yesterday than there is today so I think that little wobble and maybe the helped a little bit but then again check the 515 yeah I mean because the times changed significantly on arrival the the times changed when it and it's going to do that and that's was one of the concerns was that this morning it was in the exact same place it was last night it didn't move and the uh NHS and Noah they have a high pressure system that's up in the Northwest United States that's starting to shift down and their concern is that high pressure system is going to shift down low enough to direct that storm more East so until it emerges over the coast and starts getting that forward momentum it's going to be influenced by both high pressure systems that are out there and when do you anticipate when will we know that when tonight uh sometime be tonight it could be in the morning I mean I'm checking the 11 o'clock forecast I'm getting up at the cadon doing the six o'clock forecast then a 7 so you can reach out to every media outlet and everybody's going to tell you something different yeah I listen to two people I listen to NWS and I listen to the state because they're always working they have representatives in each other's office I don't do Mike's weather page I don't do all those things on Facebook because they're not reliable they want you they want to pay a picture that they want you to see so that's why I use the two reliable instruments that we have Mr chairman yes sir so I think this broad this uh meeting should be broadcast out so it can keep on running on our own government page uh when we update we update but especially the current current maps um I think it's critical for people to see this and just for like you said we're talk about advertising where people don't believe the things because they think they're just trying to sell advertising keep watching the channel so I think what you've got here is something real good if you can keep updating your map to say here's what it looks like here's what it looks like that would be a great help I got a few ideas um we talked to a U-Haul over on State Road 52 that sits up fairly high for being right along 19 uh they're they're making 150 parking spots available for those on the coast that can park over there I think we should be looking at opening up all our libraries uh all of our government centers during the storm with people that especially on the coast can park their cars there because that might help them even to leave if they're going to get out um having said that um you know I was talking with Luchi today about you know the possibility of if the storms come in you know shutting down power they've got a lot of control where they can do a lot of things they can do a little bit late in the day uh late in the game and do it safely but I think if this storm's coming and I don't want to see with Luchi out in the weather again where they're in danger I don't want to see our people having to go down these roadways to trying to rescue people coming out I think if the message gets out that if this storm does come and these storm surgers hold the case we're going to be looking real closely to shutting down power shutting down water and sewer it's going to be a lot easier to bounce back from it and it may be the the trigger that gets people to say you know what they may make the decision to stay home no one not going have power no one can have the water and sewer and that can be their conscious decision but want to put our people in danger to go try to save them well to go along with that I I think you'll find that W too Duke all these different power companies they will not put their people in danger and we shouldn't either until we see it's okay for get out and get things straight now so I think that's something we all go by as the safety of our people so Mr chairman yes sir utility has the authority to shut right shut water down down if it's going if it's the system is going to be compromised or if um basically to protect health safety and Welfare right I don't believe that you can shut sewer Down based on my previous research um just because it's sewer you know it's even when you don't pay your bills we can't shut shut sewer down there's no Val but I don't know what the capability of the county is to shut down a as a as a block and not get B and C you know I I don't know if our valving are are such um I know of jurisdictions that if they're a Barrier Island they say yes we're going to shut shut your water off um you don't have the authority to do power but if with Luchi is going to that that's up to the power companies about their yeah their service but um I would also encourage if the board was going to go in that route I would encourage early messaging that at midnight on whatever you I guess it would be Wednesday at midnight it would yeah it' be Wednesday at midnight that you were going to turn that switch so that so that people know that they're are going to be without service well just to if I could so in talking with lji they can do actually do be segment by segment by segment which is probably the better way to go they can wait a long time but I think it's something that we just need to be conscious of and and getting the word out to the public we're feeling the danger we're going to go and I think coordinating they've coordinated with the sheriff's department they can work with our firefighters as well to kind of make sure that when they do if they are shutting down the power that we make sure that there's protection out there at the end of the neighborhood so there's no le looting going on as well um yeah so I also talked to with aochi today and they have Crews coming from Texas also for reinforcements and um I was actually with the sheriff's office this morning and they did discuss um the Looting that they would be there for safety so so what about Duke shutting off power I mean did anyone I didn't reach out to Duke I had heard anything from duke okay I I don't know how we can tell them to shut the power off so that's up to them yeah that is up correct that is up to them so I will tell you with shutting down power grids that we have two areas that are going to be affected out of this the one up in Hudson off of Old Dixie Highway um is definitely going to get water in it so I'm I'm I don't know if they're going to shut it off or not but it's definitely going to be impacted and then the one down at anoat at the power plant that's right across the street that we had visited right that yeah that one is definitely going to be um impacted also if we get if we get that 10 foot of surge I do know that the electric companies will go around and turn power off if there substations or they deem it unsafe there there green Transformers everywhere they will shut the power off to those grids I've had it happen on two occasions um one actually both during Irma one occurred at an apartment complex down off Old 54 and then the other one occurred at the mobile home complex at Ridge and 19 so they will proactively shut power off um but I don't think they will just go in there to just shut the power off to get the people out I don't think they would do something like that so but we have had been in contact with with Luchi um they do have 5,000 strong coming um from around the states um Duke has set a camp up and I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head now uh here where lady yeah Lady of lore church and they're staging all their assets there so we will have a strong contingency of Electrical Workers here if and we do need them which I am hoping knock on particle board that we don't yeah so Mr chairman yes so I think the electric companies make the decision and they will as they go along I think it's important that we coordinate with them uh to get the messaging out as it's going and also the coordination between the sheriff and our own Fire EMS people to protect the area as best we can and I think that that may encourage them to leave knowing they'll be safe and they not going have power anyway U to make that move because if this storm surge goes to these higher levels it's going to be very bad out there yeah okay we um um question on sandbag locations I'm getting some texts from people down the holiday area where is their closest sandbag location the Maggie Valley Golf Course is is where theirs is at why why do we not put them up and down the coast I'm just curious because historically we have never done that we've had we've had marked locations um since I have been the EM director and prior to me we've used Magnolia golf course we were using station 17 um years ago till it went under construction and we can't use that site right now because of the construction going on so we have Magnolia Vol Valley Golf course we have Veterans Park we have Heritage Park in Land of Lakes we have station 29 in Zephyr Hills we have seab bar over in Dade City uh D City police department has one open at the r police station the City of Newport Richie has one open I believe at their utilities building and those are all the ones that I know of so far but we have them all publicly noticed um they open from sunrise to sunset they are self-served you have to bring your own shovel uh one of our sites does have inmate labor at the Maggie Valley does have inmate labor there to help the citizens okay I and I have a question yes ma'am um but but after this one I want to work on getting one in Holiday yes ma'am we we can get you there's a Catholic Church there that we may be able to use we used it for our waist pickup on mil stretch one it now oh you can put one there now yeah if you get give me the address I will get one we have a library there and we have a fire station on mil stretch um but you got to remember when we open a sandbag location it's not one or two people that show up we get traffic and I I can't block a fire station access um you know who's a member of the church um that we would need to get permission from is Andrew bter okay is Andrew back there no he's not here so maybe we can ask Andrew to see if they can open up that church for sand all right I'll get if I have a County I could put it on I'll get there and I'll put it on a count that's not a county site it's a church yeah but if I have a county site in that in that area I prefer to use that so we can just dump sand and go from there all right and then here's my next question Cindy Jolly sent me a picture of a guy who's selling sandbags that he filled at our sandbag site I don't know where he's selling them for $10 a bag is that is that legal sorry she can a ped do I was like well he did the labor I don't know he got free materials but if we haven't May if we hadn't Li limited the number of sandbags that somebody can take from one of our sites and that's free for the public I think it would be I we'd have a hard time saying it was not legal so we have a 10 bag limit at the sandbag sites we do we have we do make we we do make an exception for volunteer organizations that are coming to pick up sandbags for elderly or disabled residents and we will let them take those sandbags and deliver them to the residents themselves I just have one quick question so if we have constituents call what would what time is do you think we should tell them to make sure that they are off the roads off the roads I would be off the roads by midnight tomorrow night midnight tomorrow night okay because we're going to start getting bans of rain tomorrow evening late in the evening but we're not expecting the winds start pumping um till much later in the morning so Mr chairman yes you know sometimes you see long lines of these things people waiting waiting waiting um you know I appreciate that we have at least Magnolia Valley to have inmate the goodies out there the inmate labor but I think we ought to be putting all the on the rest of them as well you're what you say I think you need more of those inmate labor out there because the quick you get people in out there a fast moving storm we don't have a lot of time here get people in and out of there sorry I didn't see this sty um so we did um set up Maggie Valley um earlier uh today with inmate labor and we were scheduled to open up veterans with inmate labor from 7 to 7: tomorrow okay um I can uh take a look at our work CRS and see what else I can establish out there okay I I think those are your two most critical ones being on the coast so I think I'm I'm I'm good with that unless the others want to see it more out there as well good uh question the um it's not on on you but I hope you can set one up on M stretch and they're anxiously awaiting the news um last time I think we had to evacuate a hospital was it bayet Point yes bayet point was years ago but that was from a lightning strike okay so Bay they are they are they tend to want to evacuate dependent on the storm surge we've been in contact with them and they are content uh We've offered all the hospitals that are in a play Bayonet Point and North Bay um we've offered to put tiger dams up around their facilities we've offered North Bay that they both have the cin to Tiger dams is that what um Tampa General has they have a different system it's not a tiger Dam that's amazing what they yes it is an amazing system very expensive but amazing system but we are using tiger dams right now out in Zer Hills and um there there's good thought process but the thing you need to remember once you put a tiger Dam around a structure you're not leaving because it's not something you can just pick up and move it's very large 36 inch tubes that are filled with water oh I and they butt up against each other and they they can frame it out does some water get in yeah but not like a flood but the the drawback to it is once that structure is built who's ever in that structure is not going to be able to get out they can't drive out they could walk out and jump over but they can't drive out because they cannot be moved okay those around those houses in zhr Hills I know there uh I think around that one house had 48,000 gallons of water in that that band that tiger B wow how much did that cost what was that water just pumping water in that water no it not it was from the pond actually oh yeah they just fill them up the state the state's the one that's doing it yeah okay my next question is that um Waste Water Treatment Plant that's that we share with Newport Richie that's on the water what do we do with that when it goes it's going to go under yeah so if they they'll shut it down that that's what does that mean for people living uh that use that along the coast that I do not know does that mean you won't have running water so should they fill their bathtubs what does that mean cuz that is in a 10 foot foot to 12T yes so so the response I don't have a response for that but as he mentioned if it happens then it will have to be shut down and there's a process to follow uh I can get that response to you I think we need to be letting the coastal people know they may have their water shut off wouldn't the water get shut off if you close that yes and I I'll get that out to you okay right yeah I don't know how big that territory is of that plant water's very important that map water's very important and years past you always heard people filling up their bathtubs and all so they have water after the storm went through so because the water was shut down so with high waters like we're talking about there's endang of that water being infected with with some off offsite water or something so yeah is there is there a map that we know that where that water treatment plant is that Services the residents yes we do have a map showing all our wastewater treatment plant that would be affected by that one yes okay could you share that with us as well yes we will I'll give that thank you okay um we've had quite a bit of discussion uh this time let's uh chair yes um is the county departments um any of them planning to close tomorrow or is it a full day so uh count will be closed on Thursday okay all right um and I just wanted to let you know that um the finance department um is making payments on the purchase cards so I know that's probably going to be utilized more after the storm so you should have clear balances on everything to be able to do that um we're also issuing payroll um sooner um so that everybody can get get paid so that's good as well and um we're doing prepayments on some of the bonds that um are needing uh payment coming up so that we can get Tak take care of all that as well and our finance has already set up the account codes for uh any purchases that are made throughout the county and then payroll code for the storm also that way we can start coding for reimbursement looking for a call okay uh Madam clerk would you uh please please read the resolution resolution number 24200 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring a state of local emergency related to Tropical Storm Helen whereas the governor of the state of Florida issued executive order number 24-28 on September 23rd 2024 declaring the state of declaring that a state of emergency exists for C certain counties in the State of Florida including Pasco County due to the current forecast models for tropical storm Hine here and after referred to as the event anras Paso county is currently under a tropical storm watch hurricane watch and a storm surge watch current forecasts predict hurricane force winds and potentially heavy rainfall impacting the West Coast of Florida as the storm moves forward and the event uh uh poses a potential and continued threat to the lives and property of the residents of Pasco County requiring advanced preparation and mobilization of resources as well as flexibility and Authority from the board of County Commissioners to act in a timely manner to mitigate damage and render assistance to affected residents and whereas the current forecast models for the event project it will reach hurricane for strength and there is an increasing possibility that Paso County will experience um sorry that Paso county is oh yeah will experience the storm's effect and whereas Paso County remains under a local State of Emergency due to flooding in East County caused by tropical storm Debbie declared on August 2nd 2024 andas current forecast predict sustained high winds heavy rainfall storm surge and potential flash flooding impacting the West Coast of Florida as the storm moves forward and the event poses a potential and continued threat to the lives and property of residents of Pasco County requiring Advanced preparation and mobilization of resources as well as flexibility and Authority from the board of County Commissioners to act in a timely manner to mitigate damage and render assistance to affected residents andras chapter 25 2 Florida Statutes provides Authority for political subdivisions such as Pasco County to declare a state of local emergency and to wave the procedures and formalities otherwise required of political subdivisions by law pertaining to one performance of Public Works and taking whatever action is necessary to ensure the health safety and Welfare of the community two entering into contracts three incurring obligations floor employment of permanent and temporary workers five utilization of volunteer workers six rental of equipment seven acquisition and distribution with or without compensation of supplies materials and facilities and E the transfer Amendment Appropriations and or expenditure of public funds now therefore the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida an emergency session this 24th day of September 2024 hereby declares a state of local emergency pursuant to section 252 Florida Statutes and sections 30-29 and 30-30 Pasco County code of ordinances effective immediately for all territory within the legal boundaries of Pasco County including all unincorporated and Incorporated areas and authorizes the County administrator or his design to order evacuations make emergency purchases or take any other actions he deems necessary this state of local emergency shall be effective upon enactment and shall remain in effect for a 7-Day period thereafter unless otherwise rescinded or extended as provided by law further it is uh to the extent Allowed by law this declaration retroactively applies to ratify expenditures made and actions taken prior to the effective date of this lsse by County staff in connection with preparation in anticipation of the event be it further resolved by by it as expressly authorized that the County administrator or Emergency Management director are each delegated the authority to one extend this initial Declaration of local state of emergency as many times as necessary and two dissolve this local state of emergency for any extensions thereof if the event no longer poses a threat to the lives and or property of Pasco County residents or to public property this delegation of authority to the County Administrator Andor Emergency Management director is uh to extend or dissolve this local state of emergency does not require further action the procedures set out in sections 30-29 and 30-30 of the Pasco County code that may be interpreted to be in conflict with this grant of authority are hereby waved be it further resolved by the board of County Commissioners that it is the intent of this board that given the possibilities that episodic rainfall or high winds may result in only localized damage or flooding that the County administrator or his design shall have the flexibility to Institute modify amend terminate or reinstate evacuation orders as conditions and affected areas change and without further action by this board be it further resolved by the board of County Commissioners that it is is the intent of this board that to the extent the County Administrator has already extended public funds in prepar in preparing for the event all such actions are hereby ratified and approved be had further resolved by the board of county commissioner uh commissioner desire to facilitate the cleanup of debris on private property by those residents affected by wind rainfall and or flooding and therefore this board directs that the cost of the debris disposal tipping fees otherwise charged to residents for debris disposal related to the event shall be paid from the general fund rather than by the affected residents be it further resolved by the board of County Commissioners hereby exercises its Authority and waves the procedures and formalities required by law of a political subdivision as provided in chapter 252 Florida Statutes and section 30-29 and 30-30 Pasco County code of ordinances done and resolved this 24th day of September 2024 all right is there any further discussion by the board Mr chairman yes sir so when I read these words they they ring out really strong to me and the last storm we had hurricane Deb was coming in um we talked with after we declared the state of emergency we talked with DP Swift Mud for a long time about doing something over in Palm Terrace what we ended up doing was we took out the on along Ranch Road a total of 500 truckloads then a th000 truckloads of dirt to create a storm water area which helped and in tropical storm Debbie there was only about a 10- foot triangle that actually showed any rainfall event however after having a little bit more rain a few weeks later we had another Storm come in and the people in the very end were within like 6 in of water in the house and they're sitting up kind of high but that's how high was uh we didn't lose a truck that time that we had they flooded out twice before when I read this and I and I see performance of Public Works taking whatever N Action is necessary to ensure the health safety and Welfare of the community I'm going to tell you this another there the two storm water ponds that are there to get that map up I want to get like Ranch Road in arberdale if you can um those two ponds that are there in working with d we're almost to terms now we've just kind of like finally is what we're going to do um and it looks like the sludge that's in the one Pond to the north closer to Birchwood away from Ranch Road um it's only about 6 in or 16 in of soot or sludge that's there the other ponds got about the same they're pretty much agreeing too that if we take and mix dirt with what's there and go through we may not even have to cap it but they're going to monitor it later on um I'm saying this because I got Branford here I know Jason is out there in the field I guess but I need to I need Branford to have comfort to what we're going to say so if you see the two ponds that where it says right where Ranch Road is so let me go back first so go to the right at Hanks Lane see that big long green area where says Hanks Lane and Arbor deal drive that is now all dug out we dug it just above above the water table it's a tremendous water storage area but even with all that the storm we just had a few weeks ago it flooded all the way up from where where it ends like Aberdale Drive the road was blocked off for a while and it was probably again 6 Ines of home where it says 7701 so back to the big pond they were going to like put dirt in with it mix it around same thing with ranch the the lower Pond as well that's right below it that's right above Ranch Road so those two pawns that are right there so I'm going to suggest to Branford whether D grees or not because of th that verbage of performance of Public Works taking whatever action is necessary to ensure the health safety and Welfare of the community two things could happen if you look at where this water flows and I looked at it real close and talked with staff about it yesterday extensively from a neighbor that lives up the street the water flows vertically down kind of where Jason road goes all the way down it hits Oleander and that's the area where I asked them to go clean out the silt after o goes down further and we'll go all the way down a pineapple Lane way down here all right so stop right there for a second right where that arrow is that's double hammock the water from that point goes out to the gulf now what's bad about this whole thing you've got all the water flowing from the north that was coming down that way to get the double hammock but when you go down to Pineapple Lane you've got a big area where Lake Henry drains into the this Spillway comes all the way to please don't go don't stay right there yet so it it drove all the way there and it goes into that way as well from this point it goes down to Fox Hollow and it stops right there and the water from down here to the South is actually right now as of yesterday flowing Upstream going the other way so you got water pushing from down Lake chis down in here that way there from south of Fox Hollow pushing water up the other way so try to imagine you got water coming down from the north and going up from the south going heading to a double hammock but doesn't quite get there if this storm surge comes in and double hammock that water comes right up you see how close it is to 19 if it comes over there you're going to have a huge blockade coming in that's going to stop it going now I don't know if we can hold right there is that where we put those those um is that where that little test thing is right there where ER era is no no that's up in uh that's in Beacon Woods further up so this is where this is right where the uh Cinema drive so it's where the um movie theater is Aldi these is there that's where that comes across now that's what I asked today earlier uh and I talked yesterday with um uh Barett and bar Barrett and Jason about go clean that thing all the way out so that water can flow out because once it gets out there it goes but if it's going to be a low tide situation if we can get that water down there is good but if we're going to have what I what I know is going to happen is you're going to have water coming this way water coming that way it's it stops in there and that's why we used to have so much trouble at pineapple Lane and even up above at Jasmine Lakes it had the water is like conflict well why why are you bringing this up right now you I'm bringing this up right now because let's go back to those two pawns above if we take and take the dirt around there's big BMS around these two ponds that are there if we take and put in the dirt around the say the top Pawn first we kind of like topple that in and then we go take the lower pawn and take the sludge from that and pop it over and then take the BMS from both and then cover over the top of it two things can happen you're going to create all that storm water uh protection like it's almost two acres of land there and you're also then going to protect the sludge from being exposed which if it does you're trying to keep a water from there going into the other yes this way here yes exactly this way here it won't travel down put a dke there exactly it's going to flood it all down so now it can actually control the water there and just like we did over at arberdale you can create a storm water Pond right there that you cover over the sludge so it's environmentally safer than it is even right now because if all that if all the storm water goes in let's say it all floods out and goes all in there all that storm water sludge is still going to go downhill too so now you get health but if you cover that over with the dirt and put more dirt over the top of it you make it protect better and you can contain a lot more water right there where right now it's just going to go Downstream and have that conflict well can you design an engineering solution right now today that sounds good but I'm not sure we got enough time to do all that well listen we didn't we didn't have time to go engineer digging all that out but literally talking to D the agreement with David Allen right now and them is to go take the dirt I'll take the sludge from one put in the sludge of two mix it all up and then cover it over without even and I was going to try to let Branford speak go ahead we've involved saying and the difference has been no in terms of the work that Public Works did so we are moving forward to Bringing about more improvements in the storm water conveyance so so keep mine out there I think he's asking if you can do this project today or tomorrow yeah uh with no it takes it takes to take some time for us to come up with that all right so is David Al can we get David Allen David Allen's working with TP and literally the agreement is they're going to go take the sludge from one the Little Pond there to put in the big pond mix up the soils cover it over they're going to do testing on it for about a year it was to the point we thought we're going to have to hard cover it kind of like we do with arsonic whatever but with all the dirt that's there what's that David's on the call all right David you there he was it just I just heard him I'll text him try to unmute can you guys hear me now yeah yes hey David yes hi hi hi Commissioners uh yeah I've been listening in on the conversation and I I I think the challenge is that um fundamentally I think that um we would need to coordinate with both both fdp and Swift Mud and the and and really the challenges the existing vegetation in both of those ponds um you know we could we could look at something that might help divert some of the water into them on a short-term basis but I think that um you know for the Emergency use but we wouldn't be able to continue to operate that way for an extended period of time well David let's let's talk about what you've been negotiating with them as you told me in the past couple of days they're telling you take out the vegetation part and then you get to scoop down about 16 Ines or so of dirt depending on how much is there and you're going to then put that dirt in the other Pond and then mix it with dirt correct right right right because we have high Metals right now in certain locations of the ponds and we would need to dilute those to to be able to meet fdp's decommissioning requirements for the wastewater treatment plant that's there right so if you're going to have to like let's say mix the soils up if you took the burm from around the big pond and put part of it into that you could then take the sols to mix it in and then put more dirt over the top or put the other put the sludge in from the second pawn put it up and then Ms Ms more dirt over it and then put more dirt over the top of that yeah that's the long-term plan commissioner Mariano and um you know one of the things that we're looking at right now is looking to make sure that we had a place to dispose of the vegetation and I think that given the time frame that we're looking at with how quickly the storm is moving I I don't think a day is going to be enough time to be able to accomplish both getting the the vet a out as well as the earth work that would be required at the site all right well if I if I didn't see our if I didn't see our staff take out 500 truckloads of dirt and 20 in 48 hours I'd probably agree with you but I'm talking about all you've got to do here is to go plow dirt in Mr chairman scooped out out we can't we can't work through that right now we need to go forward with our resolution and our motion and afterwards we'll sit down with the team and let the team come up with the best plan for that and I did have I did have a question but did we vote on the resolution you want to call the question that's what we need to do call the question I'll move approval second okay I have a motion and a second on resolution it's a roll call vote Madam chair or Madam clerk change your position me a yeah District Two I thank you commissioner ready District three commissioner starky District Four commissioner joerger I District 5 commissioner Mariano hi district one chairman Oakley I let it note that the motion passed 5 um is there any need for any other discussion yeah I I had had a question you had question mine's much shorter than yours um how do you know when we were on the call um you had left um but we were we are right in the midst of putting in a a uh drainage program for the old golf course at Gulf Harbor and I just am curious are we using the pump right now or is that project done CU that's on the map is one of the red areas the uh the project in Gulf Harbors it it was under construction a couple weeks ago are we done with it the drain it's to drain the flooding in The Lakes there yes I know they started our project it's still ongoing uh where the I don't have that response I can follow up so the pump is still there then that's my question yeah I I don't have that response in terms of whether the pump is there or not and but the work was started yes well I I know it started what I'm asking is what is the plan if that fills up so so usually what happens is Public Works has all these house spots and they have pum stations pre stations or they'll move pumps to these areas uh as the storm comes along so that location is one of those hotpots that public W is are aware of okay well I'm going to I'm texting the president of the association I'm going to ask them if they know if the pump is there they can fight out and if it's not there they can station one there thank you okay Mr chairman so commissioner Stark I'm I'm glad you're bringing that up the staff told me a while ago they could do it fairly quickly so hopefully they can before the storm hits we'll see how that goes but uh we got a great team out there uh I just want to say the reason I brought this conversation up with you cuz my next call will be with David Allen Branford and theme to go talk about what we know and we're going to go work hard on D to try to go get it but I just didn't want you guys to get scared of what we're talking about because the D was already in the same plan I just told you about so I'm just trying to get thank you I'm going to L verb as far as I can got to go something Mr chairman I I excuse I have to say something at this point okay the local state of emerc is not a your ability to void all permitting requirements to do a project especially if you're already in a in a permitting situation with d it's for taking immediate action for to protect the health safety and Welfare of current events that are that are unfolding it's it's not we think this would be a good idea and prevent vent something it you're you still are subject to enforcement of state agencies and federal agencies under a local state of emergency if you go beyond the authorities that you have dealing with an emergency I will help I'll be happy to include you in the meeting but I'm going to tell you for this here this is protecting the health safety welfare of the community they flooded before they could flood again after we've done already so this is to protect the people as well as environment but I'll include you in the meeting too all right thank you this meeting a journ Andy can you show me [Music] [Music] --------- ##VIDEO ID:Ec2oMaN2vRc## [Music] good afternoon I would like to call the order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of 3:00 p.m. um on this September 24th 20124 at this time please silence all electronic devices and please rise for the invocation and pledge relance oh merciful Creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and Grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the repu for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all Madam Clark will you please call the role District Two commissioner waitman present District three commissioner starky here District Four commissioner joerger here District Five commissioner Mariano here district one chairman Oakley here let it be noted we have a quorum in present um this afternoon we have convened so to discuss the board's consideration of uh declaring a local state of emergency Mr FAA Mr FAA director of Emergency Management presentation good afternoon Commissioners uh we're here today because of tropical storm Helen um it's a very large storm it really hasn't even formed into a known hurricane yet but it is going to come up our way and it is going to be it's going to do some severe damage to our Coastline so we've put together a presentation today from our 1250 1230 stakeholders call with the state um currently the projected path as you see up there now um it has shifted um a little bit actually eight miles to the West um but it is expected to shift back with a high pressure system that is coming down regardless of where that storm lands it's not going to be a direct impact on us but we are going to have severe storm surge uh heavy rains and tropical to Hurricane force winds as you can see all the probabilities are in the high Zone um The Surge is our is our biggest Factor um we're expected up to 10 ft of surge as of right now with any more wobble to the East and our our surge is going to go even higher um there's the storm right there as you can see it's still trying to form it still is just south of Cuba moving North Northeast um we are right now under a hurricane watch uh for the ENT almost the entire West Coast so we will be feeling the impacts of this storm uh there's the projected track uh the models are lining up nicely so unless something drastic really happens if that front really pushes down from the Northwest uh that's most likely going to be the current uh track on it it was projected yesterday just passed by us by cat one cat 2 um today we were told that it's going to pass by us it's going to be a cat three so when idalia came by us it was a weak very weak Category 2 and we got five to six feet of surge on the coast with it passing us as a three and the size of this storm The 10-footer Surge is almost definite uh there's our earliest times for arrival uh we're looking at right now anywhere early Thursday morning starting Thursday morning around 3:00 and the most likely arrival is around 9:00 a.m. on Thursday so that's when we will start seeing this the sustained tropical storm force winds and we'll start seeing the Heavy Rain bands come through rain is going to be anywhere from 3 to 6 in with pockets up to 10 um along the coast we're looking anywhere from 4 to six and those will come through with the bands uh our storm surge warnings like I said said we are at at 6 uh 61 ft uh our winds were anywhere from they're predicting 39 and 73 miles an hour um with gust sustained we're looking about 40 to 45 miles an hour flooding we have that possibility of coastal flooding and as you know we're already combating zhr Hills with the flooding out there um and most likely with Worthington Gardens going back into uh minor flooding again as of today remain that way for the next 3 days uh we're most likely going to see additional flooding back in zephra Hills also Mr chairman and then tornado question too yes ma'am hey Andy you go sir go ahead with no one's more of a wind event than in storm surge event was the people at Zephyr Hills they shouldn't get that much rain compared to the coast will get the majority of the rain okay but there will be bands that pass through there that will dump some heavy rain back in zephra Hills again okay uh my my question is this looking at your storm surge map it's different than the one the Hurricane Center has out and and that is in in Pasco County they have they have it like a different a color from Pasco and then it then somewhere up in Citrus it starts the purple has something changed in the last hour so they might be using different um uh coloring schemes that I know of this is the one from the state um and they get theirs directly from NWS so whether if I don't know if NHS and Noah is using a different color scheme but I know we are in the red and the red is six that says we're in the purple that's my question because it changed we were in the red and now we're in the purple see that's the one I was looking at yeah that's the one that we are going by the one that says the one that you just showed over there was purple which is the one you're showing am I am I color blind wait I think you're right I see it yeah you're right difference and it's a big difference to the people in Gul Harbor yeah shows purple we're going off by the NWS one which is what this National Weather no the one this this is the one the state puts together this comes from the state this is their product with their meteorologist um we're going to use one from NWS from the National Weather Service okay that we brief on daily twice a day so it's the other map yes okay um as you see we're also at a slight risk of tornadoes um that's possible we're on the right side of the storm um and that usually is the one that produces our tornado here yeah and is is um that path we're seeing how wide is that because if that shifts a little bit then that if it shifted right a little bit it would change over that cone of uncertainty um it's it's a modeling tool I wouldn't be dependent on that cone because that storm could shift anywhere with inside that cone within that okay yeah yeah okay so as I was saying there's our arrival times um oh that's changed too so we're looking at for Pasco County um we're looking anywhere early Thursday morning starting around 3:00 and then feeling severe impacts around 8:30 9:00 in the morning there's our windfields um with our windfields we're looking at Tropical Storm force winds um on the coast extending inward it's going to be dependent how wide the storm actually gets and as you as we know hurricanes are lopsided so everything is usually on the right side of the storm yeah so it depends how large that side of the storm gets that'll be dependent on our Windfield and there's our storm s watch yeah 6 to 8 6 to 10 feet um 10 to 15t just north of us starting about in Citrus County going north if that storm shifts anymore to the east we're probably going to see that 10 to 15 feet dip down into our area as you know we're a very shallow shell from Pasco County our our floor extends very much very very far out into the Gulf that's one of our downfalls I have a question yes ma'am um how long will it take for the storm to be out of like Pasco County I heard it was moving quick if it's moving fast it'll be out by late Friday evening probably around 10:30 11 o' we should start seeing it clear up the last two days any question um so the red is 6 to 10 ft yes but when I look up at the key it says 12 feet so which is it where do you see 12 feet uh the key up top the key up that that that's a state that's an NWS thing I don't have an answer for that so I just know we're being told verbally by the weather forecasters 6 to 10 feet so that's what we're being told okay so will we be experiencing winds on Friday or is it just mostly rainbands it be rain bands you might get some wind within the rain bands but it shouldn't be that severe you might get some strong gusts and that's rip currents we really don't have to worry about rip currents on our side of the county on this side of the coast it's mainly on an east side of vent there's our rain um for the next seven days um and we're looking anywhere of about 5 in 6 Ines overall for the next 5 to seven days depending on the heavy Pockets that also pass through on top of all the rain we got from Debbie and yes sir we're adding to it so flood watch we're all under a current flood watch because of the storm coming by um our rivers are are pretty good uh the ERS river is pretty good the only one like I said is the one at Worthington Gardens um that went back up in the minor flooding um yesterday I think that with Luchi Cody River too is not in great shape they had flooding the other day just from rain down at the near like downtown Newport Richie okay uh rainfall departure is over 30 days um as you can see we're in that nice dark purple um and that's 5 to six inches over the last 30-day rainfall because we've had that little lull in there thank goodness just try to dry out and get a new roof put on my house that's important oh yeah uh flood guidance uh you see we're in the grain so we're we're pretty good um we do have some capacity on the east side of the county I was talking with Barrett and Jason mckl today uh Silver Oaks golf club um they've pumped down about three and a half foot of water so in the event they still have some capacity to push it back up into the golf course again if they have to right but they're not P they're not pumping now are they no they're they're they're not doing any active pumping right now uh one of the reasons is because of the wton gardens River going up again and the there's nowhere to put it there there's no really good infrastructure to pump it to right now everything is pretty much full yeah um there's our watches and warnings um I mean our watches uh we're in for minor impact uh for weather uh coming to Thursday we go to a slight um that's when the storm should be right on top of us and going by and then on Friday uh uh we still go back down to a minor chance of thunderstor that's because bands will still be passing through and has the uh possibility of dumping more rain on us coastal flooding um continues uh we're not really in that area it's mainly up in that North uh east side of the state and that's our River gauges so we are pretty good with our River gauges um the only one that is is the worington garden one that's in minor flooding right now and then St John's river of course we don't have to worry about that one that's Way north of us and then this is our for tornado so we're in that marginal risk uh for tornadoes when the storm as it comes by us and then that's this other system out that's another system that's out there that's not going to affect us it's going to make that right hand hook and then that's really about it and then there's one other slide that I had that I had sent to stefia it was the flood slide blow that up a little bit that's all our Coast on Pasco that's all our Coast on Pasco so anything is red that's that 10t CC Mark and as it rolls backwards it drops down uh the Orange is 6ot and then the yellow is I think believe 4 foot can you can you also show the rest of the camera yeah I was going to say can you scroll like because I can't see my area either down [Music] more keep going okay thank you so the Orange is six feet I'm one house away from being [Laughter] yellow okay um so the Orange is six feet yeah so as you see we are going to be impacted heavily if this storm can you can you go back and want to see the river the uh into Newport Richie so that I was looking at too um where is that red where it's all red which part were River North of Cecilia right there where she yeah where's all that let me think that is I believe downtown Main Street that is the pitot river coming in I believe uh that's south of downtown that's here's G Boulevard is that like great preserve and over there someone who knows more than me um yellow yellow I believe is 4T let's see 54 isn't isn't gray at the end of PL and ran PLA and ran yes so where I think where it says where it says north of Bailey it's just C River West Cody River but as you see we are going to be impacted heavily um depending on how when the surge comes in how much wind that we have pushing on it is going to be dependent how much water exits when it goes tries to go back to low tide if we have continuous winds it's going to hold that water in and then when our next high tide comes around it's just going to build on top of that so mandatory for a starting when tomorrow morning so we're going to give them one day to pack up a leave that that's ma'am that's all we have why aren't we say saying it today or this afternoon I'm just was discussed and and the consensus of the discussion was to start a first thing in the morning is that going to be a problem with our roadways if Hillsboro and pelis are doing the same thing so I I don't believe so um historically it has shown the only other storm that we really had that had a major impact on our roadways was Ira back in 2016 and that's was because it was going to be a direct hit on us historically it has shown we order evacuations in Pasco County people don't move they don't listen they don't we just had we had idalia and we open shelters up I ended up with uh 15 people in special needs and I think we had 20 people in uh general population yeah I think this is a whole different animal though and de they W they won't act it is a different animal but they'll still think of they are complacent we I preach it till I'm blue in the face and the citizens of Pascal County are complacent and I would like to see that change I wish there were ways we can make a change but unless it happens to them they don't listen so what time is the weather going to deteriorate around Thursday uh be early Thursday morning probably about 3 o' so they have all day tomorrow um into tomorrow evening to go ahead and make their move shelters are opening at 4 o'clock um we have five schools that we've opened up uh the Fano shelters being opened up for special needs at 9:00 a.m. and we opened that one up super early because it involves Transportation with ambulances and things like that uh Wire Grass High School is also going to be used as a special needs but unfortunately um with the discussion with the school board today um they are very adment on continuing classes because of school hours and early week I tried to for early dismissal today and and they would not even budget that so we had to wait till 4:00 so but we do have ample time it's 17 hours when we do an evacuation for Zone a and that's the mandatory one B and C we put in there because of the possibility of water getting that far inland is that going to happen most likely not but as a precautionary measure absolutely we're going to ask for it are you showing the zones do we have a map of the zones here of the evacuation Zone yeah I think no I do I don't but we could pull it up on the website and um what so if you want if you start evacuation tomorrow what does that mean you have till the sun goes down or till midnight or when do you want people out by so when we order the mandatory evacuation we want them to start moving then so it is being it is on the the count um the media our multi our media relations group is messaging that out they are putting out that the evacuation will start tomorrow morning um they've already put out what schools we're going to open up the shelters we're going to have open for tomorrow uh we're going to open up an employee shelter at phsc as we always do all the shelters will be pet friendly um so so schools are going to be open even though you're having the emergency order the evacuation yep because there not I can't move it any other way I I tried to get the schools uh Mr and Branford and mic on the line with me the school board would not budge and and it's all tied and I understand their angst because it's tied to State Statute and school hours so they can't make those hours up once they lose them so I'm at tie it at the hands of them um so can you go over what the different zones are here so red is Zone a um that's our Coastline and then we have some interior portions that are long rivers that we that get heavily flooded um yellow is Zone B uh and then we go Zone C is um uh the green and D is the the blue um and then we have e uh which I believe is purple but we really don't have that many on purple what's the orange the orange is B okay you said yellow was B so orange is B red oh orange is b yellow is C green is D blue is e okay that's easy for you to see um should we should we um have something like this with those numbers letters on it so that we can put it in our you know email blast or newsletter or whatever so it is in our disaster guide the center of our disaster guide yeah but I can't mail out the I can't do that in a email blast in a moment when we can provide you a product like that that shows those yeah I need that PDF right you guys who have newsletters we I think the other map that showed where the flooding is going to be is is probably even more relevant though both of them I think I think well I think both is good but I think that that other one's going to show you actually what this is going to do yeah so that other graphic I just showed you that graphic is going to change so it's going to change with the track of the storm so what what might be all red might turn to a little bit of oranges what's oranges might turn to Red it's going to be dependent when the storm emerges in the Gulf has a definitive eye and we get an actual direction of where that Center of that storm is because right now it's just a blob they know where the center of the blob is at but they can't pinpoint the exact center and where it's going to emerge over the Cuban Coast there there was a lot more red in Gulf Harbors yesterday than there is today so I think that little w and maybe to helped a little bit but then again check the 515 yeah I mean because the time changed significantly on arrival the the times changed when it and and it's going to do that and that's was one of the concerns was that this morning it was in the exact same place it was last night it didn't move and the uh and nhhs and Noah they have a high pressure system that's up in the Northwest United States starting to shift down and their concern is that high pressure system is going to shift down low enough to direct that storm more East so until it emerges over the coast and starts getting that forward momentum it's going to be influenced by both high pressure systems that are out there and when do you anticipate when will we know that when tonight uh sometimes it could be tonight it could be in the morning I mean I'm checking the 11:00 forecast getting up at the cadon doing the 6:00 forecast and a 7 so you can reach out to every media outlet and everybody's going to tell you something different yeah I listen to two people I listen to NWS and I listen to the state because they're always working they have representatives in each other's office I don't do Mike's weather page I don't do all those things on Facebook because they're not reliable they want you they want to pay to picture that they want you to see so that's why I use the two reliable instruments that we have have Mr chairman yes sir so I think this broad this uh meeting should be broadcast out so it can keep on running on our own government page uh when we update we update but especially the current current maps um I think it's critical people to see this and just for like you said we not about advertising where people don't believe the things because they think they're just trying to sell advertising keep watching the channel so I think what you've got here is something real good if you can keep updating your map to say here's what it looks like here's what it looks like that would be a great help I got a few ideas um we talked to a U-Haul over on State Road 52 that sits up fairly high for being right along 19 uh they're they're making 150 parking spots available for those on the coast that can park over there I think we should be looking at opening up all our libraries uh all of our government centers during the storm with people that especially on the coast can park their cars there because that might help them even to leave if they're going to get out um having said that um you know I was talking with Luchi today about you know the possibility of if the storms come in you know shutting down power they've got a lot of control where they can do a lot of things they can do a little bit late in the day uh late in the game and do it safely but I think if this storm's coming and I don't want to see with Luchi out in the weather again where they're in danger I don't want to see our people having to go down these roadways to trying to rescue people coming out I think if the message gets out that if this storm does come and these storm SES hold the the case we're going to be looking real closely to shutting down power shutting down water and sewer it's going to be a lot easier to bounce back from it and it may be the the trigger that gets people to say you know what they may make the decision to stay home no one not going have power no one can have the water and sewer and that can be their conscious decision but I don't want to put our people in danger to go trying to save them well to go along with that I I think you'll find that W Toco Duke all these different power companies they will not put their people in danger and we shouldn't either until we see it's okay for get out and get things straightened out so I think that's something we all go by is the safety of our people Mr chairman yes sir utility has the authority to shut right shut water down if it's going if it's the system is going to be compromised or if um basically to protect health safety and Welfare right I don't believe that you can shut sewer Down based on my previous research um just because it's sewer you know it's even when you don't pay your bills we can't shut shut sewer down there's no Val but I don't know what the capability of the county is to shut down a as a as a block and not get B and Z you know I I don't know the if our valving are are such um I know of jurisdictions that if they're a Barrier Island they say yes we're going to shut shut your water off um you don't have the authority to do power but if with Luchi is going to that that's up to the power companies about their yeah their service but um I would also encourage if the board was going to go in that route I would encourage early messaging that at midnight on whatever you I guess it would be Wednesday at midnight it would yeah it' be Wednesday at midnight that you were GNA turn that switch so that so that people know that they're going to be without service well just if I could so in talking with lji they can do actually do we segment by segment by segment which is probably the better way to go they can wait a long time but I think it's something that we just need to be conscious of and and getting the word out to the public we're feeling the danger we're going to go and I think coordinating they've coordin with the sheriff's department they can work with our firefighters as well to kind of make sure that when they do if they are shutting down the power that we make sure that this protection out there at the end of the neighborhood so there's no le looting going on as well um yeah so I also talked to with akuchi today and they have crws coming from Texas also for reinforcements and um I was actually with the sheriff's office this morning and they did discuss um the Looting that they would be there for safety so so what what about Duke shutting off power I mean did anyone I didn't reach out to Duke I hadn't heard anything from duke okay I I don't know how we can tell them to shut the power off so that's up to them yeah that is up correct that is up to them so I will tell you what shutting down power grids that we have two areas that are going to be affected out of this the one up in Hudson off of Old Dixie Highway um is definitely going to get water in it so I'm I'm I don't know if they're going to shut it off or not but it's definitely going to be impacted and then the one down at anoat at the power plant that's right across the street that we had visited right that yeah that one is definitely going to be um impacted also if we get if we get that 10 foot of surge I do know that the electric company compies will go around and turn power off if there substations or they deem it unsafe their their green Transformers everywhere they will shut the power off to those grids I've had it happen on two occasions um one would actually both during Irma uh one occurred at an apartment complex down off Old 54 and then the other one occurred at the mobile home complex at Ridge and 19 so they will proactively shut power off um but I don't think they will just go in there to just shut the power off to get the people out I don't think they would do something like that so but we have had been in contact with with Luchi um they do have 5,000 strong coming um from around the states um Duke has set a camp up and I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head now uh here where yeah Lady of lorea church and they're staging all their assets there so we will have a strong contingency of Electrical Workers here if and we do need them which I am hoping knock on particle board that we don't yeah Mr chairman yes so I think if the electric companies make the decision and they will as they go along I think it's important that we coordinate with them uh to get the messaging out as it's going and also the coordination between the sheriff and our own Fire EMS people to protect their as best we can and I think that that may encourage them to leave knowing they'll be safe and that's not going to have power anyway okay U to make that move cuz if the storm surge goes to these higher levels it's going to be very bad out there yeah okay we um um question on sandbag locations I'm getting some text from people down the holiday area where is their closest sandbag location the Maggie Valley Golf Course is is where there is is that why why do we not put them up and down the coast I'm just curious because because historically we have never done that we've had we've had marked locations um since I have been the EM director and prior to me we've used Magnolia uh golf course we were using station 17 um years ago till it went under construction and we can't use that site right now because of the construction going on so we have Magnolia Vol Valley Golf course we have Veterans Park we have Heritage Park in Land of Lakes we have station 29 in Zephyr Hills we have seab Barn over in Dade City uh Dade City police department has one open at the r police station the City of Newport Richie has one open I believe at their utilities building and those are all the ones that I know of so far but we have them all publicly noticed um they are open from sunrise to sunset they are self-served you have to bring your own shovel uh one of our sites does have inmate labor at the Maggie Valley does have inmate labor there to help the citizens okay I and I have a question yes ma'am um but but after this one I want to work on getting one in Holiday yes ma'am um we can get you there's a Catholic Church there that we may be able to use we used it for our waist pickup on mil stretch put one it now oh you can put one there now yeah if you get if you give me the address I will get one well we have a library there and we have a fire station on mil stretch um but you got to remember when we open a sandbag location it's not one or two people that show up we get traffic and I I can't block a fire station access um you know who's a member of the church um that we would need to get permission from is Andrew backer okay is Andrew back there no he's not here so maybe we can ask Andrew to see if they can open up that church for S all right I'll get if I have a county site I could put it on I'll get there and I'll put it on a county that's not a county site it's a church yes but if I have a county site in that in that area I prefer to use that so we can just dump sand and go from there all right and then here's my next question Jolly sent me a picture of a guy who's selling sandbags that he filled at our sandbag site I don't know where he's selling them for $10 a bag is that is that legal sorry she caned do I was like well he did the labor I don't know he got free materials but if if we haven't made if we hadn't Li limited the number of sandbags that's somebody can take from one of our sites and it's free for the public I think it would be I we'd have a hard time saying it was not legal so we have a 10 bag limit at the sandbag sites we do we have we do make we do make an exception for volunteer organizations that are coming to pick up sandbags for elderly or disabled residents and we will let them take those sandbags and deliver them to the residents themselves I just have one quick question so if we have constituents call what would what time is do you think we should tell them to make sure that they are off the roads off the roads I would be off the roads by midnight tomorrow night midnight tomorrow night okay because we're going to start getting banss of rain tomorrow evening late in the evening but we're not expecting the winds start pumping um till much later in the morning so Mr chairman yes you know sometimes you see long lines of these things people waiting waiting waiting um you know I appreciate that we have at least Magnolia Valley to have inmate the goodies out there the inmate labor but I think we ought to be putting all the on the rest of them as well you're I think you need more of those inmate labor out there because the quick you get people in and out there's a fast moving storm we don't have a lot of time here have you need get people in and out of there so I've already work with my micone so I didn't see this Stacy right so we did um set up Maggie Valley um earlier uh today with inmate labor and we were scheduled to open up veterans with inmate labor from 7 to 7 tomorrow okay um I can uh take a look at our work CRS and see what else I can establish out there okay I I think those are your two most critical ones being on the coast so I think I'm I'm I'm good with that un let's the others want to see it more out there as well uh question the um it's not on on you but I hope you can set one up on mil stretch and they're anxiously awaiting the news um last time I think we had to evacuate a hospital was it Bay at Point yes Bay at point was years ago but that was from a lightning strike okay so B they are they are they tend to want to evacuate dependent on the storm surge we've been in contact with them and they are content uh We've offered all the hospitals that are in PL Bay that point and North Bay um we've offered to put tiger dams up around their facilities we've offered North Bay that they both have declined to Tiger dams is that what um Tampa General has they have a different system it's not a tiger Dam that's amazing what they yes it is an amazing system very expensive but amazing system but we are using tiger dams right now out in Zephyr Hills and um there there's good thought process but the thing you need to remember once you put a tiger Dam around a structure you're not leaving because it's not something you get as pick up and move it's very large 36 inch tubes that are filled with water oh that's and they butt up against each other and they they could frame it out does some water get in yeah but not like a flood but the the drawback to it is once that structure is built who's ever in that structure is not going to be able to get out they can't drive out they could walk out jump over but they can't drive out cuz they cannot be moved okay those around those houses in zeper Hills I know they're uh I think around out one house had 48,000 gallons of water in that that band that tiger band wow how much did that cost what was their water just pumping water in that water no it's not it was from the pond actually oh yeah they just fill them up the state the state's the one that's doing it yeah okay my next question is that um wastewater treatment plant that's that we share with Newport Richie that's on the water what do we do with that when it goes it's going to go under yeah so if they they'll shut it down that that's what does that mean for people living uh that use that along the coast that I do not know does that mean you won't have running water so should they fill their bathtubs what does that mean because that is in the 10 foot to 12T yes so so the response I don't have a response for that but as he mentioned if it happens then it will have to be shut down and there's a process to follow uh I can get that response to you I think we need to be letting the coastal people know they may have their water shut off wouldn't the water get shut off you close that yes and I I'll get that out to you okay yeah right yeah I don't know how big that territory is of that plant water's very important that map water's very important and years past you always heard people filling up their bathtub and all so they have water after the storm went through so cuz the water was shut down so with high waters like we're talking about there's endang of that water being infected with with some Al outside water or something so yeah is there is there a map that we know that where that water treatment plant is that Services the residents yes we do have a map showing all our waste water treatment plants that would be affected by that one yes okay could you share that with us as well yes I'll give that thank you okay um we've had quite a bit of discussion uh this time let's uh chair yes um is the county departments um any of them planning to close tomorrow or is it a full day so uh County will be closed on Thursday okay all right um and I just wanted to let you know that um the finance department um is making payments on the purchase cards so I know that's probably going to be utilized more after the storm so you should have clear balances on everything to be able to do that um we're also issuing payroll um sooner um so that everybody can get get paid so that's good as well and um we're doing prepayments on some of the bonds that um are needing uh payment coming up so that we can get take take care of all that as well and our finance has already set up the account codes for uh any purchases that are made throughout the county and then payroll code for the storm also that way we can start coding for reimbursement great looking for a call okay uh Madam Clark would you uh please read the resolution resolution number 24200 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring a state of local emergency related to Tropical Storm Helen whereas the governor of the state of Florida issued executive order number 24-28 on September 23rd 2024 declaring the state of declaring that a state of emergency exists for certain counties in the State of Florida including Pasco County due to the current forecast models for tropical storm Hillen here and after referred to as the event an Raz Paso county is currently under a tropical storm watch her hurricane watch and a storm surge watch current forecasts predict hurricane force winds and potentially heavy rainfall impacting the West Coast of Florida as the storm moves forward and the event uh uh poses a potential and continued threat to the lives and property of the residents of Pasco County requiring Advanced preparation and mobilization of resources as well as flexibility and Authority from the board of County Commissioners to act in a timely manner to mitigate damage and render assistance to affected residents and whereas the current forecast models for the event project it will reach hurricane for strength and there is an increasing possibility that Paso County will experience um sorry that Pas county is oh yeah will experience the storm's effect and whereas Pasco County remains under a local State of Emergency due to flooding in East County caused by tropical storm Debbie declared on August 2nd 2024 and ASAS current forecast predict sustained Pi winds heavy rainfall storm surge and potential flash flooding impacting the West Coast of Florida as the storm moves forward and the event poses a potential and continued threat to the lives and property of residents of Pasco County requiring Advanced preparation and mobilization of resources as well as flexibility and Authority from the board of County Commissioners to act in a timely manner to mitigate damage and render assistance to affected residents and R chapter 252 Florida Statutes provides Authority for political subdivisions such as Pasco County to declare a state of local emergency and to wave the procedures and formalities otherwise required of political subdivisions by law pertaining to one performance of Public Works and taking whatever action is necessary to ensure the health safety and Welfare of the community two entering into contracts three incurring obligations four employment of permanent and temporary workers five utilization of volunteer workers six rental of equipment seven acquisition and distribution with or without compensation of supplies materials and facilities and eth the transfer Amendment Appropriations and or expenditure of public funds now therefore the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida an emergency session this 24th day of September 2024 hereby declares a state of local emergency pursuant to section 252 Florida Statutes and sections 30-29 and 30-30 Pasco County code of ordinances effective immediately for all territory within the legal boundaries of Pasco County including all unincorporated and Incorporated areas and authorizes the County administrator or his design to order EV evacuations make emergency purchases or take any other actions he deems necessary this state of local emergency shall be effective upon enactment and shall remain in effect for a 7-Day period thereafter unless otherwise rescinded or extended as provided by law further it is uh to the extent Allowed by law this declaration retroactively applies to ratify expenditures made and actions taken prior to the effective date of this lsse by County staff in connection with operation in anticipation of the event be it further resolved by by it as expressly authorized that the County administrator or Emergency Management director are each delegated the authority to one extend this initial Declaration of local state of emergency as many times as necessary and to dissolve this local state of emergency for any extensions thereof if the event no longer poses a threat to the lives and or property of Pascal County residents or to public property this delegation of authority to the county administrator and or Emergency Management director is uh to extend or dissolve this local state of emergency does not require further action the procedure set out in sections 30-29 and 30-30 of the Pasco County code that may be interpreted to be in conflict with this grant of authority are hereby waved be it further resolved by the board of County Commissioners that it is the intent of this board that given the possibilities that episodic rainfall or high winds may result in only localized damage or flooding that the County administrator or his design shall have the flexibility to Institute modify amend terminate or reinstate evacuation orders as conditions and affected areas change and without further action by this board be it further resolved by the board of County Commissioners that it is the intent of this board that to the extent the County Administrator has already extended public funds in prepar in preparing for the event all such actions are hereby ratified and approved be it further resolved by the board of County Commissioners uh commissioner's desire to facilitate the clean up of debris on private property by those residents affected by wind rainfall and or flooding and therefore this board directs that the cost of the debris disposal tipping fees otherwise charged to residents for debris disposal related to this event shall be paid from the general fund rather than by the affected residents be it further resolved by the board of County Commissioners hereby exercises its Authority and waves the procedures and formalities required by law of a political subdivision as provided in chapter 252 Florida Statutes and section 30-29 and 30-30 Pasco County code of ordinances done and resolved this 24th day of September 2024 all right is there any further discussion by the board Mr chairman yes sir so when I read these words they they ring out really strong to me and the last storm we had hurricane W was coming in um we talked with after we declared the state of emergency we talked with d P Swift Mud for a long time about doing something over in Palm Terrace what we ended up doing was we took out the on along Ranch Road a total of 500 truckloads then a th000 truckloads of dirt to create a storm water area which helped in in tropical storm debie there was only about a 10t triangle that actually showed any rainfall event however after having a little bit more rain a few weeks later we had another Storm come in and the people in the very end were within like 6 in of water in the house and they're sitting up kind of high but that's how high it was uh we didn't lose a truck that time that we had they flooded out twice before when I read this and I and I see performance of Public Works taking whatever action is necessary to ensure the health safety and Welfare of the community I'm going to tell you there's another there's the two storm water ponds that are there get that map up I want to get like Ranch Road and arberdale if you can um those two pwns that are there and working with d we're almost to terms now we've just kind of like finally is what we're going to do um and it looks like the sludge that's in the one Pond to the north closer to Birchwood away from Ranch Road um it's only about 6 in or 16 Ines of soot or sludge that's there the other ponds got about the same they're pretty much agreeing too that if we take and mix dirt with what's there and go through we may not even have to it but they're going to monitor it later on um I'm saying this cuz I got Branford here I know Jason is out there in the field I guess but I need to I need Branford to have comfort to what we're going to say so if you see the two ponds that where it says right where wrench road is so let me go back first so go to the right at Hanks Lane see that big long green area where says Hanks Lane in Arbor deal drive that is now all dug out we dug it just above above the water table it's a tremendous water a storage area but even with all that the stor we just had a few weeks ago it flooded all the way up from where where it ends like abero Drive the road was blocked off for a while and it was probably again 6 Ines of home where it says 7701 so back to the big pond they were going to like put dirt in with it mix it around same thing with ran the the lower Pond as well that's right below it that's right above Ranch Road so there's two pawns that right there so I'm going to suggest to branch for whether the D agrees or not because of th that verbiage of performance of Public Works taking whatever action is necessary to ensure the health safety and Welfare of the community two things could happen if you look at where this water flows and I looked at it real close and talked with staff about it yesterday extensively from a neighbor that lives up the street the water flows vertically down kind of where Jason road goes all the way down it hits Oleander and that's the area where I asked them to go clean out the silt after o it goes down further and we'll go all the way down a pineapple Lane way down here it's a stop right there for a second right where that arrow is that's double hammock the water from that point goes out to the gulf now what's bad about this whole thing you've got all the water flowing from the north that was coming down that way to get the double hammock but when you go down to Pineapple Lane you've got a big area where Lake Henry drains into the this Spillway comes all the way to please don't go don't stay right there yet so it it drove all the way there and it goes into that way as well from this point it goes down to Fox Hollow and it stops right there and the water from down here to the South is actually right now as of yesterday flowing Upstream going the other way so you got water pushing from down Lake Chrissy down in here that way there from south of fox Hol pushing water up the other way so try to imagine you got water coming down from the north and going up from the south going heading to a double hammock but doesn't quite get there if this storm surge comes in and double hammock that water comes right up you see how close it is to 19 if it comes over there you're going to have a huge blockade coming in that's going to stop it going now I don't know if we can hold right there is that where we put those those um is that where that little test thing is right there where the AR arrow is no no that's up in uh that's in Beacon Woods further up so this is where this is right where the uh Cinema drive so it's like where the um movie theater is Aldi is there that's where that comes across now that's what I asked today earlier uh and I talked yesterday with um uh Barrett and bar Barrett and Jason about go clean that thing all the way up so that water can flow out cuz once it gets out there it goes but if it's going to be a low tide situation if we can get that water down there is good but if we're going to have what I what I know is going to happen is you're going to have water coming this way water coming that way it's it stops in there and that's why we used to have so much trouble at pineapple Lane and even up above at Jasmine Lakes it had the water is like conflict well why why are you bringing this up right now I'm bringing this up right now because let's go back to those two ponds above if we take and take the dirt around there big BMS around these two ponds that are there if we take and put in the dirt around the like the top Pawn first we kind of like topple that in and then we go take the lower pawn and take the Sledge from that and pop it over and then we take the BMS from both and then cover over the top of it two things can happen you're going to create all that storm water uh protection like it's almost 2 acres of land there and you're also then going to protect the sludge from being exposed which if it does you're trying to keep water from there going into the other yes this way here yes exactly this way here it won't travel down put a dyke there exactly it's going to flood it all down so now it can actually control the water there and just like we did over at arberdale you can create a storm water Pond right there that you cover over the sludge so it's environmentally safer than it is even right now because if all that if all the storm water goes in let's see it all floods out and goes all in there all that storm water sludge is still going to go downhill too so now you get health but if you cover that over with the dirt and put more dirt over the top of it you make it protect better and you can contain a lot more water right there where right now it's just going to go Downstream and have that conflict well can you design an engineering solution right now today that sounds good but I'm not sure we got enough time to do all that well listen we didn't we didn't have time to go engineer digging all that out but literally talking to D the agreement with David Allen right now and them is to go take the dirt or take the sludge from one put in the sludger to mix it all up and then cover it over without even and I was going to try to let Branford speak go well we've been involved with what saying and the difference has been no in terms of the work that Public Works did so we are moving forward to Bringing about more improvements in the storm water conveyence so so keep mine out there I think he's asking if you can do this project today or tomorrow yeah uh no it takes it takes to take some time for us to come up with that all right so is David Allen can we get David Allen David Allen's working with t and literally the agreement is they're going to go take the sludge from one the Little Pond there to put in the big pond mix up the soils cover it over they're going to do testing on it for about a year it was to the point we thought we're going to have to hard cover it kind of like we do with our whatever but with all the dirt that's there what's that David's on the call all right David you there he was he just I just heard him I'll text him trute can you guys hear me now yeah yes hey David yes hi hi hi Commissioners yeah I've been listening in on the conversation and I I I think the challenge is that um fundamentally I think that um we would need to coordinate with both both fdp and Swift Mud and the and and really the challenge is the existing vegetation in both of those ponds um you know we could we could look at something that might help divert some of the water into them in a short-term basis but I think that um you know for the Emergency use but we wouldn't be able to continue to operate that way for an extended period of time well David let's let's talk about what you've been negotiating with them as you told me in the past couple of days they're telling you take out the vegetation part and then you get to scoop down about 16 inches or so of dirt depending on how much is there and you're going to then put that dirt in the other Pond and then mix it with dirt correct right right right because we have high Metals right now in certain locations of the ponds and we would need to dilute those to to be able to meet fdp's decommissioning requirements for the wastewater treatment plant that's there right so if you're going to have to like let's say mix the soils up if you took the burm from around the big pond and put part of it into that you could then take the sols to mix it in and then put more dirt over the top or put the other put the sludge in from the second pawn put it up and then Ms Ms more dirt over it and then put more dirt over the top of that yeah that's the long-term plan commissioner Mariano and um you know one of the things that we're looking at right now was looking to make sure that we had a place to dispose of the vegetation and I think that given the time frame that we're looking at with how quickly the storm is moving I I don't think a day is going to be enough time to be able to accomplish both getting the the vegetation out as well as the earth work that would be required at the site all right well if I if I didn't see our if I didn't see our staff take out 500 truckloads of dirt in 20 in 48 hours I'd probably agree with you but I'm talking about all you've got to do here is to go plow dirt in Mr chairman scooped out Oak we can't we can't work through that right now we need to go forward with our resolution and our motion and afterwards we'll sit down with the team and let the team come up with the best plan for that so and I did have I did have a question but did we vote on the resolution you want to call the question that's what we need to do call the question I'll move approval second okay I have a motion and a second on resolution it's a roll call vote Madam chair or Madam clerk change your position me a yeah District Two I thank you commissioner We Ready District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner joerger I District Five commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I GL it note that the motion pass 5 z um is there any need for any other discussion yeah I I had had a question mine's much shorter than yours um how do you know when we were on the call um you had left um but we were we are right in the midst of putting in a a uh drainage program for the old golf course at Gulf Harbor and I just am curious are we using the pump right now or is that project done CU that's all on the map is one of the red areas the uh the project in Gulf Harbor it it was under construction a couple weeks ago are we done with it the drain it's to drain the flooding in The Lakes there yes I know they started our project it's still ongoing uh where they are I don't have that response I can follow up so the pump is still there then that's my question yeah I I don't have that response in terms of whether the pump is there or all right and but the work was started yes oh I I know it started what I'm asking is what is the plan if that fills up so so usually what happens is Public Works has all these house spots and they have P stations pre stations or they'll move pums to these areas uh as the storm comes along so that location is one of those hotpots that Public Works is aware of okay well I'm going to I'm texting the president president of the association I'm going to ask them if they know if the pump is there they can fight out and if it's not there they can station one day thank you okay chairman so commissioner Stark I'm I'm glad you're bringing that up the staff told me a while ago they could do it fairly quickly so hopefully they can finish before the storm hits we'll see how that goes but uh we got a great team out there uh I just want to say the reason I brought this conversation up with you because my next call will be with David Allen Branford and theme to go talk about what we know and we're going to go work hard on D to try to go get it but I just didn't want you guys to get scared of what we're talking about because the DP was already in the same plan I just told you about so I'm just trying to get you I'm GNA L verb as far as I can got to go something Mr chairman I excuse I have to say something at this point okay the local state of emergency is not a your ability to void all permitting requirements to do a project especially if you're already in a in a permitting situation with d it's for taking immediate action for to protect the health safety and Welfare of current events that are that are unfolding it's it's not we think this would be a good idea and prevent something it you're you still are subject to enforcement of state agencies and federal agencies under a local state of emergency if you go beyond the authorities that you have dealing with an emergency I will help I'll be happy to include you in the meeting but I'm going to tell you for this here this is protecting the health safety welfare of the community they flooded before they could flood again after we've done already so this is to protect the people as well as environment but I'll will conclude you in the meeting too all right thank you this meeting is a journ Andy can 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