yeah good evening everyone and thank you for uh this evening uh attending uh the uh the planning board meeting of April 1st and I'm going to ask everyone at this time to please rise for the flag salute okay I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States Amica the rep for which it stands Nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you please be seated okay everyone please mute yourselves um Commissioners planning board staff ladies and gentlemen as chairwoman of the city of Patterson's planning board I call this special meeting of April 1st 2024 to meet to order I hearby state that all the provisions of the state of New Jersey public meeting law have been fully and completely met that the notice of Provisions required have been properly posted in the planning board office and with the city of Patterson clerk that the public notice and advertisements have been publish published in The Herald news on March 22nd 2024 in accordance with the law and that the copies of such notice and public advertisements are on file in the planning board office as is also the agenda listing the applications to be taken up by the planning board at this meeting public participation will be available by calling 1 973 321 1579 meeting ID is number 8326 press star one to listen to the meeting press star three to be added to the uh added to the speaker queue and on the date and time that the meeting is scheduled to commence so the public may also participate in the meeting by accessing the website of the city of Patterson www.pon nj.gov and following the email link for the meeting um also at www.youtube.com slcity of Patterson NJ City Hall live tonight's procedures will be in accordance with the rules regulations and bylaw bylaws as here to for determined by the planning board at its office at 125 Ellison Street in the city of Patterson I lost my zoom I lost my uh visual here so I'm going to try to get it back Madame secretary may we have the roll call please commissioner CIO presid commissioner Fisher pres commissioner Hassan pres commissioner Hussein present commissioner lanso present commissioner Roman present commissioner Omar present and Madame chair northr present and I am I'm gonna have to go sign off and sign back on because I lost all the visual we still see you that's that's great I don't see anybody but go back up to view again yeah there's no view up here I'm sorry I don't see it this what I'm looking at now is your meeting has been launched and that's it I don't see anything here on the bottom it's it's probably just switched to a different um program like maybe your mouse hit something got it I'm trying to get up here am am I on here again can you see me yeah I can see myself okay okay all right yep all right so um Mr mariconda okay Mr mariconda are you representing this applicant yes good evening Madam chair and Commissioners we do represent the applicant before you this evening Marcato properties LLC okay um I'm going to marcado's Properties LLC 322 West roadway block 703 Lot 19 um Mr deuts you will be given the review this evening yes Madam chair okay thank you please on a 7,360 SQ foot lot the applicant proposes to remove the existing two-story dwelling on the site and subdivide the parcel into three lots and construct a three-story two unit dwelling on each lot proposed lot 19.1 and 19.03 propose lot sizes of 2555 Square ft and lot LDS of 25.82 Ft proposed lot 19.02 proposes a lot size of 2,250 ft and a lot width of 22.73 Ft the first four of each structure proposes parking for four vehicles and a storage and utility room for each of the units the second and third floors of each unit proposes a three-bedroom two-b unit of approximately 1,200 square feet the rear of each unit includes a balcony this proposal is within the R2 residential Zone and within the city's first Ward and is located on the east side of West Broadway 12 29 ft south of bams Avenue variances are requested for the following in all three proposed Lots lot area 5,000 ft required and 2250 Square ft and 2555 ft proposed lot with 50 ft required and 22.73 ft and 25.82 ft provided individual and combined side yard setbacks as a minimum of 4T is required between structures and 0 feet is proposed combined side yard setbacks is a minimum of 14 feet is required and 0 feet and 3.05 ft is proposed lot coverage as a maximum coverage of 40% is permitted and 51.1% and 58% is proposed in addition to the required subdivision Deeds a common driveway access cross easement is required as all three proposed buildings will be Serv by one access driveway located on proposed lot 19.02 that is your staff uh submission for this proposal Madam chair thank you okay Mr mariconda yes yes thank you again Madam chair U we'll be calling uh Mr ranic on architectural planning Mr Sterns on site plan engineering uh the opkins is also on board with us if needed uh we agree with Mr uh Deutsch's summary and in fact uh his entire report we have reviewed and concur with which will highlight some of the points during the course of Our Testimony uh we do agree and Tom will cover the fact that there will be a common driveway easement uh as as per Mr Deutsch's report so this being said at this point I'll call Mr ranic as our first witness yes please please state your name for the record yes Michael romantic ROM a n i k my office is at 291 Crooks Avenue in Patterson I'm currently registered as an architect and planner yes and we accept as next okay thank you madam chair please raise your right hand yes you swear the testimony about the given this proceeding is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you thank you thank you okay uh Mr ranic uh obviously you've prepared the architectural renderings uh yes I have and that's done in conjunction with Mr Sterns a site plan as well yes correct okay you could give us an overview of how we propos to develop the site yes me Alan can you um can you share the screen with your plans please coming up yes uh Commissioners you're looking at the first sheet of a set of drawings that are dated 11 1522 uh sheet number one as you can see at this time shows the front elevation of the uh structure itself there's actually three individual two uh family houses that are attached uh to look as you're seeing we have now uh on that drawing as well Commissioners on the lower right hand corner of the sheet you'll see a key building plan Mr Sterns is here which will'll later review the site plan itself but this is a a key building plan which shows the three uh two family houses as you can see um labeled as house number one house number two and house number three the property is on the east side of West Broadway which is south of burans Avenue and as Mr Deutsch indicated it's in an R2 Zone uh as well the property has 7360 Square ft of lot area it's trapezoidal in shape as you can see from the configuration of that key building plan Commissioners with respect to the red line as Mr Sterns has sh right now uh you can see from the front elevation we are providing uh two-car garage for each of the two family homes uh there will be three stories uh as shown on the drawing the total height is 35 ft which does satisfy the height allowance in the R2 Zone as you can see from the summary on the upper right hand corner of the sheet Commissioners we are proposing two family houses again and there's a description of house number one house number two and house number three it's a comp combination of uh two bedroom apartments and three bedroom apartments the interior two family house the actually house number one which is in the middle of the two outer ones will'll have two bedroom uh units in each of the first floor or the second floor and the third floor itself as well Commissioners so that's what the uh front of the elevation looks like you'll see that we are uh providing a stone veneer with a mixture of Stucco as well the roof will have typical chingles as you can see from the drawing itself uh Commissioners if you turn to sheet number two you'll see the typical layout of each of the levels to the far left is the ground floor and you can see as Mr Deutsch indicated each of the houses each of the two family houses will have four cars within the garage itself and there's also a rear area with exterior doors leading to the rear yard which will accommodate the utility and storage areas for each of the tenants uh the second floor which is the diagram in the middle shows the apartment that's located on the second floor and as you can see from the notations on the drawing Commissioners the end units that is house number one and house number three the units on the top and on the bottom are three bedroom units and the two family house units in the middle will have two bedrooms as you can see the uh three-bedroom apartments have two bathrooms there's a master bath for each uh of the master or prime primary bedrooms and you can see also the HVAC utility closets are contained within the apartments as well there's a combined kitchen dining and living area as you can also see in the drawings and the uh bedrooms are quite the size nicely Commissioners uh the third floor is very typical to the second floor again having the same functions and so on uh the each two family house uh is dimensioned with a depth of 58 ft by a of 22' 6 in if you turn to sheet number three you'll see a larger floor plants which show the dimensions of all the rooms and again you can see uh on the upper uh part of the sheet you'll see the typical uh three bedroom apartment uh on the left side and you can see that the primary uh bedrooms also have a bathroom as well as well as a common bathroom that serves the other two bedrooms and any guests obviously that come to the house uh you'll see the kitchen again combined with the living and dining areas and again you'll see a larger uh diagram uh showing the HVAC on each of the floors uh Commissioners and looking on the right hand side you'll see the typical third floor two bedroom unit because that's the unit in the middle so uh it only has two bedrooms they unlike the uh the house number one in house number two where you have three bedrooms because of the exterior exposure right to the out part of the property itself again the lower the lower diagram commissioner so you'll see that the garage is accommodate four uh parking spaces for four cars as you can see from the diagrams the garage width is 16 ft which is a a normal two-car garage car withd and to the right side or the back of the garages you'll see again there's a storage room that uh serves each of the units uh on the second floor and the third floor so they have their own uh specific uh not only parking but they also have a storage and utility room with the meters that's shown on that diagram as well and the axis is towards the rear there's an exterior door on each of the ground floor of the two family houses that's essentially what we have as far as the layout Commissioners again the size of each two family house is 58 ft Deep by 22t 6 in and generally you're looking at 12200 ft for each floor that does mean the minimum floor area for a three-bedroom unit which is 900 square ft uh for a two-bedroom and for a three-bedroom it's 1100 ft so we do satisfy the minimum floor area for the uh two bedroom apartments and also three bedroom apartments turning to sheet number four commissioner you'll see that we have the elevations that's the views of the other uh sides of the structure itself as well as the rear and you can look at the diagram in the far right you'll see that's the rear elevation which has again the exterior doors that lead from the utility rooms and provides access to the backyards of each of the two family homes and uh we are providing balconies on the second floor and third floor Apartments as you can also see from that diagram us I'm sorry is it usable open space in the rear or yes yes it's not very deep however there is some open space in the back which uh can be used as a sitting area in a play area you'll see from uh Mr Stern's site diagram that actually number house number three has more of a backyard than uh the house number one the the property as you can see is shaped like a trapezoid more like a romboid actually and uh it's it's sced so uh you have the property lines that are parallel but they're they're shaped as you can see it's un uh unequal as far as 90° they do not have 90 degrees in any of the property lines so we are proposing a three lot subdivision each lot will have approximately uh 24 ft in width and the area is about 2400 ft or so because as they indicated the lot area has a total of 7360 square ft so we try to position the the units on the property and Mr Sterns will describe the easement so all maneuvering of the cars backing out on from the garage will be done on site itself uh none of the cars will back out onto the street it's not designed that way with the easeman there'll be a common easen where you back out fully on the property you pull head out onto west roadway so uh that was done uh for uh the traffic reasons of course and congestion we don't want to create any problem on the street so we feel having all access and maneuvering on the site would be beneficial for this particular site and we try to uh position the buildings as you can see again on the diagram to the right there we do have one of the houses that is house number three offset more just to give it some variety and also take advantage of uh the trapezoidal shape of the property so we feel this is a good project uh we feel that the density is not u high at all it's based on uh other properties in the area which have small Lots as well uh many of them have 25 by 100 ft so we feel that this is most appropriate and uh the building that's on there now isn't uh the best shape so we feel that this is going to replace that with something that's obviously new housing and what we feel would be a compliment to not only the neighborhood but the greater city as a whole so we feel that what we are proposing is uh very complimentary as far as fitting into the character of the neighborhood and again the the neighborhood is a two family zone so that's uh what we're proposing three two family homes and the existing structure is either in need of rehab or demolition it's not in great condition right yes that is correct okay that's all we have Mr ranic at this time Madam chair she's muted good sorry I was muted I'm gonna ask you conclude Mr romantic testimony yes so I'm gonna ask you to bring in U Mr Stern okay I'm here good evening yep good evening please raise your right hand Mr Stern like actually State your full name for the record sure Thomas G Sterns III S A RNs 144 juw Street Garfield New Jersey thank you you swear the testimony about to give this proceeding is the truth the whole truth and nothing about the truth I do and and we um accept Mr Stern as an expert witness thank you thank you madam chair okay uh Mr Stern you've had the benefit of hearing Mr romantic testimony and Mr Deutsch's report which you have reviewed that's correct yes okay could you give us an overview of your side plan at this time uh sure first I'm going to share my screen I may can everyone see that yes okay see so this is um this is my site plan originally dated to December 27th 2022 and most current revision is 12624 that's the fourth revision so um as was described to you by uh Mr Deutsch and Mr ranic we're proposing a uh three lot subdivision this lot is on the easterly side of West Broadway uh brief just briefly I'll be quick Lot 19 block 703 it uh contains a total of 7,360 square feet we're dividing to three lots the two outer lots are going to be equal at 2555 ft the middle lot is going to be 25 uh 2,250 Square ft that's the more narrow lot the two outer Lots again are 25.82 uh in width and the middle lot is going to be 22.73 as Mr ranic said we're going we're going to first subdivide these into the three lots Lots 19.1 two and three we're proposing dwellings on each of these as Mr am manic said these are going to be 22.5 ft wide by 58 ft the uh positioning of these what we did is we gave uh 35 as outer side yard setbacks on the two outer buildings and the middle building will be um the walls will meet there'll be fire rated walls on those the front what we did in the front to promote um parking and uh and maneuvering we push the buildings back so we have a um the closest front setback on this is our 27.12 feet and that's on um our middle lot and that will give us um maneuverability to uh for these cars to pull out of the garage and then as Mr manic said you'll be able to um pull out forward onto West Broadway which is a County Road busy road so we'll have um they won't have to back out into the road in other words uh we're also providing on the first level as he said four parking spaces per unit so we are fully compliant with our parking uh the existing lot just to go over briefly I'll zoom in that's the top left corner of the uh sheet here so we had an existing dwelling approximately 1500 square ft um close to the northly side of the property uh the grading on the site was relatively flat we go from uh 103 to 102 so one foot to two foot grade change on the site which is relatively flat uh there's no no drainage facility on the site um so what there is is that existing dwelling and that driveway on the site and any concrete features would run off onto the site and onto adjacent properties mostly toward the rear and um and some into uh West Broadway so what the proposal is um I'll just go down on my site plan detail so we're proposing 3,000g seepage pits in front of each dwelling so we'll have one seepage pit per lot and the uh these pits will capture the entire roof run off from each dwelling uh during a a two and a half I believe it's a 2 half inch storm and also in addition to that we're going to capture this driveway so we have that as I discussed we have the turnaround manuver maneuvering driveway in the front that's um that'll be common to each of the dwellings and that entire driveway will be captured with a trench drain so no water will go into West Broadway so the only um the only uncaptured water on the site is that rear area that'll be our open space area and that'll be a lawn area so that'll percolate into the ground as it currently does so it'll be an improvement from a drainage standpoint on the site um and it'll be a beautification the site is in disrepair currently um as we said we have a 20 foot drop curve in the front and that will allow us to enter the site and maneuver into the garages um I have another detail I'll show everyone for our U easement detail but for now I'm just going to go through the variances quickly Mr did already but um so basically we have common variances for each lot so we're uh we 5,000 square feet is required we're asking for a lot area which is 2555 square fet and 2250 square feet lot width 50 is required we're at 2582 for two lots 22.73 for the other lot in the middle front yard we do comply with the front yard 20 is required and to make that driveway area possible we uh we created that open area in the front so we're um compliant sidey yard four foots required we're at zero on the on the sidey yard sidey Bol we have 305 on both sides and zero in the middle a rear yard so 20 is required we're asking for a variance of uh the smallest one of the three is 8.01 the largest is 8.23 FL area ratio uh we're compliant lot coverage 40% is required we're at 51.1% uh on the two outer lots and 58 in the middle lot parking we comply with four spaces per unit and we comply with the height as well I'll just briefly uh I'm going to go to my other I'm going to stop sharing this screen and go to my other uh I may be able to switch over sorry here we go can everyone see that yeah okay so this is a um let's see this is my easement plan so this depicts the property in a hole and the subdivided Lots with the dwelling shown on them and the driveway and this area in the front will be deeded for common access and turnaround so that'll be uh submitted and filed with the uh subdivision Deeds for the property so each one will have a deeded access to this turnaround area um anything else I think that would cover Mr Stern's testimony Madam chair Madam chair yes yes that was Mr Sterns at this time okay um I'm actually gonna bring I I think this is a time to open it up to the public uh so I believe we have some callers is that correct uh yes we have uh seven callers um waiting to speak okay so um I wanted to open it up to the Commissioners because I have some questions myself but I'm going to go with the uh public for now that's what we're going to do so I'm going to open up the public portion so if there's anyone in the public portion has has any questions questions okay for either witness Mr romanic or Mr Sterns okay this is the time to come for forward please put your first caller through hold on we're waiting on Ryan and just remind everyone the number to call and the the the number Madam chair that's on your yeah I don't have it anymore here let me try one more time let me see if I have it here sorry um I have a number here the public participation will be available by calling 1 973 3211 1579 the meeting ID is 832 six and you press star one to listen to the meeting and you press star three to be added to the queue okay so does Ryan have any callers we're just waiting to for them to get uh connected hold on please [Music] okay we have the first caller can you please State your full name and last name and your address any of question okay my name is Ivon Jackson and I live at 317 West Broadway I'm directly across from this um property there they want to build um I don't really have questions I I saw the um presentation okay so if you don't have any questions there will be a section now if you don't if you have comments you will be given that opportunity to comment on the application later on okay can I then then I do have a question then if I have to ask questions I do have a question can you hear me yes okay can I go now proceed go ahead guys ready for me to okay my question is with the I see they're doing this with the sewage system them um they're building the three septic tanks in front of the building these constructions I don't know if you saw a lot 18 I think and 20 those houses are right beside that that side of the street where they're building they kept saying the east side of West Broadway there's no parking on that side of the street so everyone over there has to have a driveway or either they park on the opposite side of the street which is where I live so any and if they're building new constructions over all of these houses are older homes and there's not real in the septic in the sewer systems or older I know recently I looked into my sew system and they're telling me that it's still the Terracotta or the tole type of going from the house to the curb so I can't imagine what those S those houses over there and that house that they're building on that's actually a old house Mr mariconda has had that property since 2014 so my question is what are they going to do about that sewage system over there and is that going to affect when they start drilling and doing their things obviously everything shifts is that going to start affecting our houses the other people that live in the neighborhood okay Mr mariconda we'll have Mr Sterns primarily respond to that question sure so um what's going to happen is the city actually has a requirement that when we uh install or hook up two existing sewer lines that we have to TV those existing lines uh so they will be we will have new connections for each dwelling going out into West Broadway that'll be a requirement there'll be new construction and they'll uh the connections will be inspected and the line will be uh will have to be uh videotaped to make sure that there's no damage to it uh after construction uh in addition to that there is um we are in an area of West Broadway that has some slope on the on the street so uh slope is good system do you hear me uh so slope is good because I hear you contributes to uh a clean sewer line okay but we I live on this street and I've been here for 27 years so I know what you're saying about that slope because that property the existing property sits back and high and further back and the balcony view that your you guys discussed is behind the masonary that's those are all buildings on that back street so that right there I guess it'll run off to whatever they got going on back there from that end but there's the easement that actual driveway if you look at those properties they sit so close to each other I can't imagine I know you said it's going to be a common area for them to turn around but this this house is less than 500 feet from The Brownstone these houses are they're less than 500 feet if they're 500 feet from The Brownstone the traffic going up back and forth West BR is already a lot and especially when there's events going on so I know you created the parking space to two per housing but that doesn't that's that's no way going to cover it when someone is trying to back in and out the people that already live over there they back in and out and it's a big disruption okay I I I think we get the point there I'm going to ask Mr Stern if he can address that sure I can so currently the driveway on the ex uh on the existing site is just a a onecar single width driveway uh shared with the neighbor actually and they have no choice back in and out right so our new driveway is going to we're not going to have to share access with that neighbor anymore we're going to create a full height curb in front of our property the neighbor will still have their driveway and we're going to have a wide driveway which is 20 foot wide and uh in addition to that we have enough room for the vehicles to turn around on the site so they won't be backing in and out they'll be pulling in and then they'll be pulling out so there'll be no backing out eliminate that current um backing out on the street and making and they're going to be pulling out in the future with this it's approved all right thank you I'm gonna have to move on to the next Madam chair can I address uh Mr St yes absolutely absolutely Mr good evening Mr Stones how are you fine thanks Mr um the first point I just wanted to make out is that there are four parking spaces required for each law and the applicant is proposing for so they're satisfying that requirement so I just wanted to point that out to the Commissioners um but while we're on the subject um in reviewing the uh Mr Deutsch's report and I don't know if you've addressed this before or not if you did I didn't hear it one of the issues um is that even though the subdivision is being proposed the bill buildings are attached and they're going to share common elements um we need to hear a testimony on how the periodic repairs are going to be taking place you know the exterior elements and if there's going to be I don't think these are going to be condos so there won't be an association fund but there has to be some sort of a fund to keep up with the maintenance of the driveway as set forth and the building for that matter as a four report so I don't know who is prepared to address that but we probably should get that addressed right now okay that that's not a problem Council basically we're not creating a fund because we're not creating any sort of Association as you accurately indicated the applicant as the owner of all three two family dwelling units will be solely responsible as the property owner and manager to do all the maintenance all the common area work for all three houses so uh we're not creating the traditional uh uh monthly fees there's no there's no fees involved on a monthly basis so essentially the owner through the property manager will be responsible for the upkeep of the driveway and the exterior elements of the building then correct okay much like any other apartment building for that matter except that there's the shared access right right and we have the two family designed for each house okay thank you madam chair yes I'm gonna have to move on to the next caller and I'll give three minutes for your questions and there will be time at the end for comments so uh next caller please okay hold on um Madam chair we have to connect them okay um the next caller can you please State your full first name and last name and your address for the record hello I is anyone there hello yes please state your name yes please State your first name last name and address now we can yes please PL please State your first and last name for the record okay my name is Patricia McNeil can you hear me yes we can your address please okay I live on North Third Street off of West Broadway your question I'm allowing three minutes for questions and then later on there'll be time for comments okay can you hear me okay yes we can hear you fine okay please just okay my question is and um the besides the overcrowd this and is my question is is the parking free it's the parking free for the uh tenants okay you're okay Mr Mar yes absolutely no fees for each two family resident this okay and they have green they have green space for the children to play there is a limited area of green space in the back and also a deck yes any place green place yes yes in rear yes are those all your questions Miss McLean it and it it to me it appears that that is not enough parking spaces there so please reassess that before you decide to approve this it doesn't seem like it's enough parking spaces all right I'm G to move on to the next caller and we'll take your comments under advisement thank you next caller please hold on but we have to wait for them to be placed on Q [Music] [Music] hello yes can you please state your name and address for the record my name is Derek Brown your address hear me yes we can your address please my address is okay yes my name is Derek Brown my address is 27 North AP street so I'm a couple of minutes away from West Broadway and mik isern hello yes M yes we're here your question I need a question right now we're going to go into the comments a little bit later I need your questions right now of Mr uh romanic and and Mr Stern those were the two witnesses please so so my so so my question would be about the parking as well um so you're saying that each unit is going to get four parking spaces per unit Mr question is about the parking as well yes again as we testified to each unit will have two parking spaces so each two family house has a total of four and that's in full compliance with the ordinance now what about guest parking again this is uh because when you're going westbound when you're heading westbound on West Bradway which is the side where this building will be located there's no parking on that side we understand the limitations within the around the area uh we're we're designing something which we think is very suitable for this particular site and we understand that other areas in the surrounding neighborhood have concerns uh but this is our site that's before the board since we can apply we're actually Ben and that's a benefit to the neighbors because we're not looking to go beyond what the ordinance allows sir do you have another question yeah well I'm allowing three minutes for questions so I'm good I'm good you're good okay all right we're gonna allow time at the end Madam chair yes okay no you froze okay we'll have the next caller just wait one second okay Madam Cher the caller is on please State your first and last name and address for the record please hello there's no one on hello I don't hear anyone all right uh hold on one second okay he's moving on to the next person okay how about now can you hear me now hear me okay okay I hear wait I hear feedback please U Miriam can you tell them what to do so that they don't have feedback okay they probably have okay you hear too much she has she has on hold hold on one moment please I hear it's the TV please lower your TV YouTube yeah you gotta mute the the the YouTube okay okay can you speak now we did okay good so please State your first yes I'll allow three minutes for questions and please please State your first and last name and address for the record okay my name is Migdalia Vega and I live on 3:30 West Broadway Pon New Jersey and I'm on not the adjacent lot but the next one the second one over from where they plan to do this project okay and this portion is for questions alone right you say yes so I have a question to that architect Mr morone romantic I want okay I wanted to know what is the distance between the the between the lot the left side if we facing it okay on West Broadway looking East the distance between that wall and our neighbor's uh property line what's the distance there um Mr Stern has it yes yeah we're at H 3.05 feet 3.05 fet what is required okay and what is required a four feet is required okay so that's a variance that they're asking for correct okay so that if they need to escape through the side uh they have to like jump off the balcony okay and then walk through there okay another question where they said something about in in demol the conditions of the house the demolition um have they visited the house have you visited the house because it's being um both my experts have visited occupied right now people live there yeah we we understand that of course our experts have visited the property we want to do something that upgrades it even further that's our intention and so there would be a demolition if the board approves it it certainly not a property that is not condemned condition no no okay okay so it's not in like a a a okay no because they made it seem like it was like a rans sack House people live there and we've seen children playing in front Okay uh also there was a a comment about congestion and about um backing up into uh Broadway they weren't going to be doing that um wake up and smell the coffee uh we both of people that have that have driveways there sometimes we have to come out through the front or sometimes we have to back out so uh 12 hey yeah 12 cars uh and The Brownstone issues that's something we have to consider and that you're not considering you're not addressing okay not addressing it I have a question to the planner about seepage pits and trench line Etc because there's going to be increased sewage so what are they doing to the actual sewer line I know what they'll do on their property but what about the actual city sewer line will they expand that too because it's an increased volume from a a one family house that's there now it's going to have six families and are they considering that's the the planner Mr Stern um yeah and that the SE they're GNA do some alterations on the actual Street sewer line on not just on the property but actually on because sometimes that the the the brown what is it the corner drain there's odors strong odors without that so we increase they have to make uh adaptation so are they going to do anything to the city sewer line okay Mr Sterns will address it he's not a planner he's an engineer surveyor but uh again any plans we designed for our construction plans involving either runoff or shorelines have to be very specifically approved by the city engineer so Mr Stern you can take it from there sure so there's two uh two things um I don't know if you were discussing two different items so one is seepage pits are associated with uh water runoff from rain so basically when it rains on the roofs of those new houses that we're proposing and on the driveway we have pits in the ground that will capture that water and percolated into the ground uh and also we have a trench strain that keeps the water from going on to West Broadway and the sidewalk so that's one aspect is the okay you're not okay so you're not really addressing the actual sewer sewer increase to I'm GNA get to that okay and I know I I'm not I'm not an engineer I'm not a a planner but I live there 40 years excuse me he's gonna address the sewer issue okay let him finish with his with his uh answer to you pleas okay I didn't hear I don't hear him can you hear me now right now okay now I was hearing you okay so the sewer so you hear me now like the commercial yes right so with the sewer you have to let him finish not hearing him we have to you have to let him finish talking because we can only take we can only record one person at a time right but I stop hear okay okay Miss Vegas let him answer the question okay thank you okay so as far as sewer goes we're going to provide new sewer lines for each new dwelling that's going to go out into the sewer line into the city sewer so the uh City Upon Our construction will inspect those lines that go into the city sewer and they will inspect the city sewer at those locations as well uh in addition to that the county is going to it's a county road so County will have jurisdiction over this and we'll inspect the sewers um that we're tying into and we have to do a calculation that proves that we can um that we will not over over demand the sewers okay so you're not really uh doing any changes or increasing the sewer we're not building a new sewer no we're going to tie into the existing sewer but we have to prove that we there's sufficient capacity that sewer line it has to be approved by the city Engineers anyway so and the County engineer Madam chair I'm sorry and the County engineer as well County and the county too as well all right I'm gonna um I'm gonna have to move on to the next person I'm only allowing approximately three three um three minutes for each person but but there will be time at the end for the comments so let me move forward with the next caller please hello yes can you please speak up state your name and address for the record yes my name is mar I am I can't I'm sorry I can't no excuse me wait hold on nobody's getting it we got the record here she can't hear you either can you talk more directly try to talk more directly into the phone please sir I think you're muted no I'm not I'm not muted is this me what the person calling I can hear you now can you you're not the person that just called but can you please say state your name and address for the record and I'm allowing three minutes for the questions thank you uh my name is Jennifer aretta I'm at 316 West Broadway right next to the property um excuse me spell your last name a r g UE e p a thank you go ahead so since this section is only for the question and I know some of this has already been brought up but being brought up for a reason regarding the parking situation and this eement what's the enforcement that's going to go in place for this evenement to actually be followed given the fact that the current parking situation is congested and we do also see uh police officers and everything not enforcing the actual parking code so who this this is just exacerbating this issue so what's the enforcement that's planned for I don't know what enforcement you'd be discussing because this is a private home well it's e if I could say something though go ahead Mr we have an easement that's in in that's going to be within the deed of each property and that easement will um require that this area is for turnaround and use only and not for parking so it can't block the other driveways uh the other garages in other words so it'll be turnaround and access use only so it prohibits uh basically the easement agreement prohibits people from parking in that driveway area and only using it to turn around and then it also provides for us to pull out onto West Broadway and not back out right and obviously and how much space is between yeah go ahead B between the the structure and the actual uh street so the space they'll be backing out into correct right yes we have a larger front setback so these buildings will be set back um from the RightWay and allow for that driveway area uh to uh to promote turnaround and access to the garages right how far from the street is that so actually we're going to be um 27 more than that though so we're going to be from the street we're going to be uh approximately 40 almost 42 feet from the street the dwell and regarding the open green area space in the back would that also be considered for possibility of moving forward to actually have green space because that plan what is that 8 by 11 on each of these 25 ft Lots so it'll be 25 ft wide uh minimum you're right eight minimum eight and Max 11 on each one by uh by the 25 foot wide right we have the door access door uh doorway access to the back right now I remember earlier comment about the residential area and how this matches and does not match block currently looks like this this is going to be a building in the middle of a block with B basically no yard a front concrete driveway it does not match the aesthetic of this block so what what's I don't I don't understand the purpose of putting this building I'm Gonna Save all of your comments um sorry but I'm going to save them all for your comments later on okay everybody will have three minutes to make their comments but this this particular portion is strictly for questions I have to stick to that and go on with the with the uh meeting I'm sorry I understand okay all right so I'm gonna call her please hello yes hello can you please State your first and last name and address for the record yes this is Marco ARA from 316 West broy I'm sorry can you spell your last wait I'm sorry excuse me are same last name as my daughter that J is a r g u e t a okay go ahead please this is three minutes question conning uh concerning the driveway on my side how far is the the wall that they want to uh have how far you're muted Mr Stern uh so are you are you on lot um are you if you're facing our Pro if you're facing your property are you to the right of us I am fac I am facing the street and your property that you you're trying to build is on my right and I want to know if if you're going to build three story buildings um which direction is the snow going to fall from the roof I don't want snow falling on my car from a three story building property is I think he's to the line so I'm assuming you're to the if you're fa if we're facing uh if you're on West Broadway looking at our property um I mean at the property where to the right in the left side of the property the left side M handle it on the left side okay if you look at the front elevation you'll see the roofs are slope from the front to the back so there's no sloping to the left or right so any snow there would fall towards the front or the back to slope with the roof not to the side not to the side Y no see that I don't know if you can see that on the so everything slopes towards the front and uh uh there wouldn't be any problem there's a yard a side yard anyway as well so would not go over onto somebody else's property's GNA have to speak up a little bit it's getting harder and harder to hear anyone right now uh we we have only one extra family in that house and is a lot of people visiting every day so there is a lot of gas cars so we don't have uh much parking on the streets how you guys are going to handle that well again if our proposal is granted by the board there's going to be a dramatic change in terms of uh our development providing fully required parking on site uh whatever is going on there with respect to the existing tenants will no longer be the case so we we're designing a state-ofthe-art two family houses three of them with on-site parking meeting the city requirements so what and we understand the general parking concern in the neighborhood but Our intention is to is to improve not only our site but have a positive impact all around um the other concern that I have is these three uh s uh septics that you want to build septic tank what oh three SE he's calling them the septic tanks they three tanks in the front of each uh property so the purpose for these These are uh these are called seage pits and the purpose is to capture the uh roof the rain water run off so all the rain water that runs onto the buildings and to the driveway will be captured in these it's not a septic tank but uh it's a seepage pit oh he's not a sep no no [Music] no all right you have any other questions sir well no no okay all right I'm going to move on to the next caller [Music] okay they're on what supposedly they're on hello they're on hello I'm sorry hello can you speak yes hello can you please speak your first and last name okay and your address for the record uh yes uh my name is Olga it's the same address at 318 West Bradway um about the concern about the building why they made building because over here is house no building and we have problem with the part parking in the main street because it's only one way the parking I don't know why if only one family coming a lot of cars over here why imagine that with another people with a a lot of family there it's more problem I don't know why what is your question what is your question what is your question please for the uh the two witnesses that were before you before yes because uh for me the question is the parking over here we have problem yes we heard that we we we know that we know we know what the uh what the community is saying over there we've heard you all loud and clear I think the answer is going to be the same the house is having um four parking spaces for each unit there's three units there's going to be 12 spaces and that's the answer um to that I mean I don't know uh what else they can answer at this point unless you have something else to add to that Mr Stern uh Madam chair no not really you covered that we're compliant yeah they're what they're saying is and they are they're compliant with the city they're compliant this is all that's required of them I we understand but but they're compliant and we have to go by what we have on this particular application so I mean we've already heard we've heard you know your concerns we've heard everyone's concerns about the parking so my question is do you have another question for this for this applicant or for the for the witnesses well I don't have a question but I have my opinion about that because I okay well I'm gonna give you I'm going to give you at the end a few moments everybody's going to have three minutes for their opinion so right now this is for questions okay that okay no I don't have question right now okay okay all right thank you okay next caller one more good please do it now you got to do it at the end it's not like the other meetings you're very now this is question is there another caller on the line is there another caller on this line there why why is doing three family there it's too big is there another caller on this line on supposedly I don't know if it's the same person in the same ask R ask Ryan to please mute them somebody mute them oh hell it's so big for it SP I told you what to say okay this is no mute them thank you okay so at this time I'm not closing the public portion because I'm going to allow them all to come up and make the three minutes of comments I am going to open up the questions now to the board members okay so um who has a question for either one of the witnesses that were heard before U Madam chair if I could just interject for a moment I have problem with you proceeding with my experts I'm going to be off the record for about five minutes but they're going to be handling questions okay okay all righty I'm just stop all right so any questions I have one M yes commissioner Roman please just um if we can just elaborate on this tank what are we call it a septic tank not a septic tank no um just just just let if we can elaborate on that where like I know they said it's going to be in the front where in the front I was trying to see that on the plan sure commissioner if I could uh Madam chair if I could share my screen again yes please please thank you okay oops oh boy hang on sorry about that wait almost there okay um so here we go this this is so this is my uh subdivision subdivision detail and site plan detail can everyone see that yes so here we have our lot in question we have West Broadway the curb we have our sidewalk our entryway in the driveway area in the front of the lot we're proposing three seepage pits so these uh are designed to capture the uh rainwater runoff from the roofs of each unit of each building each one has their own um so what they do is they capture the roof runoff from each one in addition to that we have a trench drain in front at the opening of our driveway and that picks up all the water from the driveways the common drive so that Common Drive will go into that middle seepage pit with a pipe and then in uh in addition to each lot having the r and the roof leaders going to each one we link the three pits up so it's it provides a Max some storage for the site so there I could go to the detail of the pit as well which is let me ask you something Mr Stern there's not they're not really visible uh do you see them they're circles see the circles yeah I know but you don't really see those circles do you in front of the house oh no they're they're underground these are bu right right they're underground correct right okay and they have an access port so they'll be accessible for cleaning and such but um let me go to the I have a detail on this on the plan as well well okay um so these are buried pits yeah if you ever pass by a construction site during construction you'll see the tanks that are on on the surface sometimes before they install them and these are Big concrete tanks and what we do is we have a Filter Fabric and we have uh Stone around them almost 2 and a half ft of stone around the perimeter of the tank and then you have the tank itself um these are large tanks and they so the water goes into the tank and percolates out into the stone and then eventually gets into the groundwater system and recharges the groundwater that's the purpose of it so everything's piped underground it's not visible at all it just works uh what you don't what you don't see is the water running off the site onto Bradway so it'll be captured on the site missioner Roman I'm good thank you I just wanted to make sure it wasn't as Vis you know visible right right I kind of thought that's what you were thinking they were there in the front they were visible but they're not so that's a good thing all right Commissioners can you take your uh plans down please Mr Stern okay Commissioners yeah I commissioner I had yes commissioner son yes I just want to make sure I'm not repeating the same question and if I missed it I'm sorry Mr St so what's the limit like the water limit on this thing and if the limitation whenever the water hit the limit right what's going to happen oh that's a good question so we do know lately that we've been having excessive uh storms with our environment and everything and water runoff so what happened uh so these will um there's a maximum amount of storage that these will provide so the roof leaders will run into this it'll uh fill up to the top and then what happens is uh there's a trench Trin the trench train that is at the uh the entryway entry driveway that's our Outlet point so okay in a worst case scenario the water will come out of that it won't go to adjacent properties it'll go into the uh the the RightWay the uh the roadway of West Broadway but that's only in extreme circumstance yeah but that's the right way to do right I'm assuming so no good question though all right no problem and I sorry commissioner go ahead commissioner Hass you have another question yeah I had a quick question for go ahead manic U I believe we have like three bedroom on each floor right three bedroom on each floors well only we have three bedrooms on each floor except for the middle unit the middle unit has two yes two right so okay let me think of I had something on my mind but I'm going to come back okay go ahead you can come back soon come back soon okay all right all right commissioner plan a different way sorry guys no worries commissioner okay um as I was reading I see that there is no place for the trash or recycle um it says that um they will have to be kept in the apartments until it's time to take them out we have we have an ER in here right we address that Mr am manic I can address that if you don't mind okay sure go ahead so on my plan uh if I could share again if you don't mind yes please go ahead sure so we do have a uh I'll zoom in here on the right side of the driveway area in front of um I'm sorry let me get there sorry in front of unit 322 we do have a refu and recycle area here so it'll be a fenced in area for the garbage and allow the uh the garages will you know they can uh exit the garages here and maneuver uh but we do have a a slight specific refu and recycle area okay so do we need to change this it's in um paragraph 18 it says prior to the trch being taken out um taking to the exterior trash area trash and recyclables are not are to be stored under the kitchen coun cabinet so I believe this covers it they can they can utilize this for storage of Refuge wait what paragraph 18 I didn't see that letter is that well that's what I saw in the um oh I see it is prior to trash being taken to the exterior trash area trash and recyclables are to be stored under the kitchen counter cabinet okay but but but Mr Stern you're saying they could take it out at any time because that's going to be outside on the property correct that is correct yes okay stop okay Commissioners how about the I'm sorry malonzo yes how about the cameras for the building well this is more of a private property I don't know they if it were me I would like to have cameras on the outside the building because they're very close to the Brownstone you get a lot of traffic walking around I don't know um um Mr Stern Mr om manic do you think that's feasible yeah my client yes my client would have no problem with that Madam chair I'm back in okay just so long as it's not I mean we all know the rules uh attached to video cameras you cannot be facing them at somebody else's property so forth and so on in the windows and whatnot and it would have to hopefully be hooked up to the Patterson Police Department if possible okay I have another question I this is to Mr aquaviva um being that this is um like um um three two family houses six should we consider this a still a private property like a like a I don't like a multi Residential Building or no well it's it is an apartment building it's I I I already not and all due respect this is not a six family apartment building uh these are three these are side by side three two family houses connected with common areas but individual two family residences right but they're rental units right there are rental R units but I didn't the characterization as a multif family building I think by the uh commissioner is not accurate well you three you have three buildings on one lot each one having two units right three there'll be three lots if the application is approved each lot will contain a two family house that are structurally connected which will have shared elements of yes of Maintenance so to speak management yeah maintenance and Common Parking elements okay so commissioner what is your question based upon that representation if um because I was looking at the houses in the around the area and um I was looking that like there more uh has um like one family houses in on each property one family two like uh two um two family in each um in each law so I don't like don't get me wrong but I believe this the the purpose of um dividing this uh this whole it's to maybe make it belong to the area I don't know if I'm explaining myself very well yeah well that's a that's a decision that you're going to have to make but essentially what the applicant is representing is that you have three two family Residential Properties um each one on a separately subdivided lot so the reality is is they may look the same um you know that's remains to be seen when they're built but the reality is is you have a two family home on each lot and you have to make you have to make the determination whether or not that fits within the character of the neighborhood in an area that has mixed one fames two families and you know whatever else is in that particular Zone doesn't that make then the requirements between the each house um that there has to be some distance between one and another well that's not that's not what's being proposed I mean you certainly I know that's not what being proposed but that isn't that another variant no the variances we have that are listed are pretty much identical for all three lots um well we don't have I mean we don't have variances for parking on any of the newly subdivided lot being proposed if you take a look at the bulk variance requirements there are several variances being proposed based upon if I heard testimony correctly correct me if I'm wrong Mr romanic or Mr Stern you know based upon the odd shape of the lot so to speak the way the buildings are situated um there there's variances being proposed and that's part of what you know the Commissioners need to do is to deter determine whether those variance requests are reasonable given what is being proposed um you know I can't I can't speculate what else could be proposed in order to you know to not H not request any variances we can only deal with the application that's in front of us no I don't think I'm making really clear I'm sorry this is the first time I I handle one of these applications so that's why I want to make that question M The sidey Yards okay like the side the the the distance between one apartment like one one house to the other one building to the other isn't there supposed to be a distance between like three build there is and if you look at if you look at the zoning chart basically side yard has a 4 foot minimum and yeah that's on that sides of what what is being proposed what is being proposed is 3.05 feet so they're asking for Varian of less than one foot in that particular application Mr mariconda I think I think what she means let me just see if I'm right about what I think here because I think I understand what she wants she's thinking that in between okay even though like the houses are being proposed as being connected okay but she is saying that in the past we've always looked at homes that had a small even if it's just a small two or three foot distance between each house okay so she's asking is this basically yes to answer I think your question but I should let Al answer this it's legal to do that they want the three homes they're connected they're on separate Lots am I correct Al yeah you are okay that's my question so that so there should it doesn't have to be like that uh doesn't have to be what we're used to seeing with the with the property in between okay that's what I'm saying okay and I don't know like that's I hope that answered your question yeah answered my question thank you very much yes it does Commissioners lorono did I cut you off before commissioner Lonzo you had more no no it's okay um everything being explicit and uh I don't see no nothing wrong with it no okay no I I was just trying yeah wait who's asking commissioner claudo commissioner claudo yes um any of yes yes can you hear me yes are there any fire yes are there any you have your phone on turn your phone off turn your phone off because I think oh I don't know then why there's why there's can you hear me yeah we can hear can you hear me yes since they these are the these units going to be connected to each other are there any fire alarms going to be installed on this property fire alarms y none of the houses are connected to each other the walls separating them are fire rated walls as a matter of fact you could see that on if you go to sheet number two Commissioners you'll see that each of the units have their own separate walls there is no common walls proposed and you'll see that soon um on sheet number two and if you look very carefully you'll see that each of the houses have their own walls and they do not rely on each other or there are no common firewalls they each have their own fire rated uh wall assemblies you see what I mean Commissioners there SE separate wall okay I see yes oh okay I see that all right thank you another question uh they there any e not supposed to be allowed on these garages am I correct we couldn't understand you sorry no electric bikes going to be allow on the garages am I correct electric lights bikes electric bikes no electric bikes anywhere no no I also I want to go back to the fire the fire issue the that all has to be inspected by by the city of Patterson anyway am I correct Mr mariconda sure yeah the final construction plans regarding the firewalls has to go through the full building and fire department review right has to go be up to fire code okay all right and no and no thank you thank you all right you're welcome any other questions okay I'm going to open it back up to the public um for three minutes only please use the timer um Madam Secretary okay and um they can make their comments I think I think their comments are all going to be probably it sounds to me like what we heard earlier uh which would be uh parking related more or less uh and how they're going to pull out of the front yard backyard and so forth and I understand that and and we all I think we all understand it by now but I'm going to open it up to everyone um who had called in and anyone that wants to make a comment okay they'll be uh given three minutes to do so so uh please call in from the public now if you'd like to make your comment and uh dial Star three star three when you get on dial Star three please okay we have people in line but not in queue yet so nobody's requested to go on so let's just wait a little bit okay okay we're getting one now yep hello yes hello can you please please uh say your name hi your name and address please for the record um can they have to mute their YouTube I'm sorry you have to mute the YouTube otherwise there's an echo here we can't hear you hello yes please state your name hi this is Margarita Vega your address for the record please your address for the record please okay I think I think uh we should move on to the next they're not answering they got disconnected okay moving on next person hello yes please say your first and last name and your address for the record okay for the for the third time my name isalia Vega and I and I live on 3:30 West Broadway can you hear me right unfortunately we can't see you so we don't know who's speaking I'm sorry go ahead okay just tell my name is Migdalia Vega got it I live we have that oh okay I'm sorry 3:30 West Broadway okay and it's for the comment okay um uh it's we're in the house two stories to the second house to the left of the property um and uh we object to this uh this project this is my call to whoever is going to be making this decision the Commissioners etc for a lot of reasons uh like we has already been mentioned um the parking you know they say they're going to provide parking but then the the homeowner charges the the people that that live there so they end up parking on the street and even on the sidewalk like they do sometimes so uh to add more that's going to be a problem they already addressed the garbage the amount of garbage there has to be an accommodation because again it's six Apartments whether they say one big unit or two units or three units it's six apartments on the same lot um privacy we're in the second art we have no privacy if there's someone looking over from uh some other building beside us the fire risk I know they'll do a firewall and they go by the fire department and blah blah blah but you know what when you live nearby I mean if you're G to have somebody on your block where you live that sets up the same Arrangement let me know how it is okay so I think there's fire risks it can easily spread all the most of the houses that are there currently we are um uh most of them are occupied by the the owners um and so there's always that supervision and that care so if this Mr marado or Miss marado whoever the owner is you know uh is he going to be living there uh we have an objection to that uh the issue with the amount of sewer lines and hello um another thing is will the property be registered with the state because it's going to have six Apartments whether it you divide it in two you just playing with the law I mean you know or whatever playing with words but we're not morons we live on that block we've lived for many years and we're not idiots okay we know what goes on I grew up in a tenan house five stories so I know what it is to live in apartment building so and also I also want to know if the owners here they get a city tax break who's going to be you know who's going to be paying for the the the families that have to send their kids to school uh and let's say we that live on that same block are we going to get tax breaks also you know I just want you guys to to whoever is making that decision to approve this you know that that you take it personal come by The Neighborhood come and have coffee with my mom so that you understand why you know we're not saying not to build anything but build something that keeps the the the the quality of life in that block okay not something not an apartment building the fact that they divide it up into three lots did they already approve that or I think it's still one lot so so to make it divided into three lots to make accommodations um I I we have issues with that and thank you for the Commissioners that are going to you know look for for at least the benefit of those that do live there that do occupy that space I'm gonna have to on you st my three minutes yes sorry but I think I got my point okay that's all right thank you all right next next caller please next question hello hello can you guys hear me hello yes please state your name address for the record okay this is Ivon Jackson again I'm 317 West bway right across the street from the proposed Bo okay I'm going to I'm just gonna yeah I'm just I'm allowing three minutes for the comments so please go ahead okay I'm ready so listen um I agree with the park I don't want to talk about the parking we know the question regarding the sewage system and whether they're going to tap into the line that really wasn't addressed we already mentioned that it's an older block I don't even think it's fair that we're on the phone with this call because there's a lot of elderly people in this neighborhood that would probably be able to show up versus be on a virtual call we're already struggling the calls are coming in and out they're not clearly hearing everyone there's already a problem with the communication we can see that so that right there I think is unfairly for us and we just got these notices a week ago so I understand that that's one two Let's Talk About makado Properties the applicant this applicant has 10 properties in the city of Patterson he bought that property that you it's a one family dwelling it was a one family he's renting it out to two families on top of wrting it out to two families he's garaging Optima vehicles the reason I haven't complained about the two feeling because I know people need a place to stay but this guy is already a a a a a problem to the neighborhood he rents out these properties to these Cherry Pickers so you got three every day you got three Optima vehicles that are garaged there overnight he put in this extra staircase or Fire case or whatever it is on the side so he can rent it out to two families he's already not a good landlord he has 10 properties I don't know how he's doing it he's getting these plans they're going to split up one lot that has always been a one family thank you for the commissioner that actually went on Google or whatever you did and look to see what this neighborhood looks like as um Medallia said it's one family it's two family and there's elderly people on this neighborhood I know you're not cloning at apartment because it's three two families put together on one lot right now and again like she said I don't know if that lot's been subdivided into three lots already it's already proposed because you're already ready to approve a building buildings to be built on that so that's that's none that's that's there the sewage system the parking has the county approved this does the county say it's okay to build that because I know when my neighbor was trying to get a parking driveway approved next door to me the county wouldn't approve that and we're on the proper side of the street where you can park it's like we're talking we're talking no one's listening no one lives on this blog we all live on this blog we all care about this blog that person that you said is updating the neighborhood he's really not because he's been living here since 2014 not living here he's been renting out that place since 2014 and he has not done anything to update that property he does not care this is for propit he doesn't live in this neighborhood okay I'm getting told the three minutes are up I'm going to have to move on thank you for your com comments okay thank you next caller please next caller [Music] please is there another caller on the line I'm checking okay yes we have someone just St there with they're having issues [Music] okay uh they're telling me they're on okay please state your name and your address for the record hello hello yes hi please state your name and address for the record uh Jennifer aretta 316 West Broadway okay um I'm allowing three I'm allowing three minutes uh for questions please go ahead Amy for comments thank you yes comments sorry go ahead I want to reiterate what was said earlier as well regarding this virtual meeting I mean I'm very familiar with virtual meeting this queue is not helpful we do have a lot of older residents on the Block who have been here for almost as long as I've been here which has been over 20 years closer to 25 so that alone is not okay the notice was also late considering this is supposed to be in person I just don't see the transparency that's supposed to be here for the block because we would have more people who showed up similar to the hearing that we had what was it a year year and a half ago I'm not sure what it was but when he requested a seven story building um he does have multiple properties here and they're all rund down buildings rund down uh maintenance there's garbage all over the property parking on the sidewalks it's it's ridiculous so what this shows no good faith that this is actually going to be something that good for the quality of life for the residents of this block and like someone mentioned earlier a lot of the people who live here are the homeowners so yes we do take a lot more care of the property that's here and we are speaking up and and asking for you guys to listen to us you know that there's multiple variances and I understand that you do have to listen to every hearing that comes to your Des so that's fine but we're telling you that we do not want this here and it just sounds as though it's not really a concern for you guys is all you think about is the overdevelopment of this city this property it's it's going to look disgusting it completely throws off the aesthetic of what this looks like and like what someone else mentioned earlier it's not that we're saying that no construction should happen in this lot it very well should be it's a very very old rundown property it needs love it needs beautification it doesn't need these well apartment buildings that you're using semantics and call apartment buildings because there technically three houses on this lot that you plan to spit split one lot into three it's just pure semantics it is a building in the middle of this block that will go higher than most of the feet that are around it's it's an ey sore we don't want it I don't know how many times we have to tell you that we don't want it go down there to City Hall and tell you that we don't want it oh it doesn't sound like it well I'm sorry if that's the Assumption wait hold on a minute I'm sorry if that's the assumption that you've made in your mind but this board listen to every single solitary person okay reiterate this over and over your concerns and don't tell me that we haven't heard them we have and regarding this meeting tonight the way it was presented we had an emergency in City Hall maybe you didn't know that okay that we were not allowed to be in City Hall tonight okay so therefore we are having it okay by schedule this meeting we couldn't reschedule it because there are a lot of people okay who have witnesses like they had tonight and are the agendas are completely full and that actually is a question for Michael Deutsch the the planner but we have tried very hard we just we can't pick and choose what we'd like to have a virtual meeting for so I'm sorry if that part you don't understand but to tell us that we're not listening is another story whether or not I don't have any any um Co on this board I'm just running this meeting sound like you feel everybody everybody has a decision on this board to make okay it may not be the decision you want to hear and that deter that'll determine the outcome of this of this application but to say we haven't heard you is not fair to us I'm sorry so I'm going to move on to the next caller please next caller I'm checking hold on Darlene Collins they're on Madam chair hello on please state your name and address for the record Charlene Collins 323 West Broadway this proposed isore go ahead this proposed eyesore is directly out of my window I have a huge bay window I don't like this the building that's currently there and I know as much as we say about what we don't like we really don't have any power in this um and I understand it's a money Gams and it's a num Game Stop the greed reduce it you don't have to put three three two families there you can go with two you're still going to make money the house sold for under $100,000 a few years ago you're going to make money you're you're making money every day when I come home and we have to look for parking spaces this block is full there is no way you can tell me that they can build a new building there and it's not going to affect our quality of life I got a new kitchen and the plumber came in and said to me I would not recommend a garbage disposal because your pipes are old and I'm sure you already call the plumber quite often in which I do this is just going to ruin our plumbing system in this area and granted I feel bad for me but my neighbor across the street who has to share space with the people that are currently living in that and bringing people on it's horrible I already don't feel safe and now you're gonna add a unit there doesn't make sense stop the greed reduce it put something that fits into the Aesthetics of the neighborhood I'm not concerned that much about the parking because I have a garage but I'll tell you this in the summer when the brown stor start having their events I'm blocked in not only by um just people just regular citizens but the held and police are going to block us in then people of course just parked and don't realize that it's a driveway and we have the the having parking on our side of the street so now we increase it three units three buildings two families it's ridiculous M you got enough property around stop being so greedy reduce the size of it and make it something that fits so we can continue to look out for each other the one good thing if you knock it down you get rid of that stuff that's in there no one cleans the yard they barely have someone that comes and does the Landscaping I saw a raccoon go over there with his family I thought he had keys that property is not kept up and if that's any indication of what his other properties look like I I would feel horrible that he's been given the key to the city and to build that will doesn't make sense stop it it's greed okay I'm going to move on now I appreciate your comments thank you next call please thank you hello good evening yes please state your name and address for the record please my name is Mrs Margarita Vega 3:30 West Broadway is where my mother-in-law lives I do take care of her daily I live at 779 11th Avenue in p New Jersey I just wanted to add a couple of things here because I I don't understand why he would need three to family homes instead of just two which would accommodate that space this application does not fit the space it is too large there are too many variances that are needed special variances that are required these especially can be decreased by the two family as I stated the Brownstone utilizes a lot of Wall Street Parking as it is we do not need to add more congestion at times when we have to park two and three blocks away this is used for his personal use I'm not sure but if he plans to sell each unit there should be a deed restriction prohibiting him to add another unit but I do feel that a two family would fit its space the variance will be decreased I know a lot of things go in Patterson but they should not be allowed where people live if you needs monit value on this house maybe he should park somewhere else and then worry about the rest but at this time in front of his house he has seven cars parked at the front setback he has three on the street that he does every day he has garbage everywhere it's disgusting it is an High store and it is a bad light on the city there's commercial vehicles on his property as well that someone needs to go look at someone should call oning this is not progress for the homeowner is it because the neighbors are the ones that are suffering I'm also concerned about this easement these are cars he has seven he goes working on his CS it's despicable these people including my mother-in-law needs to have quality of life and that's it thank you very much okay thank you for your comments anyone else callers checking huh checking last speaker last speaker okay I believe hold on hold on okay that is it all right I'm gonna ask Mr mariconda to please summarize I need a motion to close the public motion to close the public portion so move hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on one second hold on please um Madam chair just we need to announce it one more time one more time what that if anybody wants to comment are there any other the callers that would like to call in they're in line they're on the line they're online but they're not on que well if they want to ask a question now would be the time because we're gonna close public portion comment comment comment comment com comment comment not questions comment comments anybody want to talk otherwise we're going to close the public portion hit star three please is anyone in [Applause] [Music] C is that anyone in Q two people all right now would be the time to hit star three so we can uh get the comments in [Applause] please address is 27 North Street I'm sorry you're gonna have to speak up I'm sorry excuse me I'm sorry you're GNA have to speak yes you're GNA have to speak a little bit louder we cannot hear you I don't know how much louder I can speak well I don't know how you gotta speak so we can record we have to record your comments please I have it I have my volume turned up as loud as you can go all right address and name for the record your address and name and address for the record please yes my name is Derek Brown my address is 27 north8 Street and and I agree with everyone on the line that's the residents with the height requirement of bringing uh 32 units that's going to change the height uh the meters of the neighborhood where you have mostly on that part of the section of that part of West Broadway you have mostly one Families my house is in the vicinity and when we're talking about parking because the city is now being overcrowded with people moving into basement attics you have overcrowded of and I have a driveway that can fit seven cars but every night I have to call the city of uh Patterson Police Department because people are blocking my driveway they put yellow lines out and they still block it however city of Patterson Police Department don't come out other towns do not require other towns do not allow you to build if you take a one family unit down you put another one family back up and Patterson is allowing these developers to come in because of the money and they're allowing them to bring in tear one one family down and put in a five unit a six unit here we're seeing two three families they did that on North Fourth Street they did that on North Fifth Street they knocked one family houses down and they put four or five units all we're doing is overcrowding the city and making the city that's supposed to be quote unquote broke um we we're overcrowding the city and and the residents that's has been here for years we're at a disadvantage because now we have to live in an overcrowded City where parking is is ridiculous and then the height requirements of these buildings is going to change the Dynamics of the people that live in that community and I think that we just need to re structure that maybe build another one family or like the other lady said two uh two families if that's what they want to do but three and you should have three to four feet between each unit you're going to connect it so it's like is a a townhouse or a condo but you're not calling it that and that's my thoughts for tonight thank you next caller hello yes please dat your name and uh address for the record yes this is Mara from 316 West Broadway m and I uh name sir I didn't understand your name Marco ARA oh okay I think I have West bro all right thank you sir yes I also object to this project and I I have been living here for more than 20 years and um I I don't see having this building on my side I want accept two family house a house not a building and I think that everybody will agree okay is that the end of your comments sir yes okay thank you anyone else in the queue no okay may I have a motion to close the public portion so move some Mo by commissioner Lonzo who second it second who was that I'm gonna ask for a break Roman by Hussein I thought it was Hussein first so put Hussein down and all in favor I and Mr mariconda is Mr mariconda is asking for five minute on one second hold on go ahead so Mr Mar I heard thought I heard him ask for a five minute break so I'm going to uh go off the record for five minutes is that correct Mr Mar mariconda that is correct Madam chair yes thank you okay the five minutes hold on one second [Music] please sorry who's good so what's going on just um be with me I just want to make sure that if we do go off the Record we all have to be muted yes of course hold on okay um we're going to do an intermission we just need to uh hold on a second and then we'll be off the Record hold on please okay e the e for e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e sec want for you e for we are on the record okay Madam chair may I have roll call please commissioner CL pres commissioner fiser present commissioner hfan present commissioner Hussein present commissioner lanso present commissioner Roman present commissioner Amar present and Madame chair northop present thank you okay Mr mariconda yes thank you madam chairman thank you for the few minutes for our group to have our discussion uh what I'd like to do in uh as part of our summation and very briefly I realized the has been very patient and heard all sides of this application a couple points I'd just like to comment on some of the uh public statements uh first of all there will be a full County review as to all elements of the project Visa parking Ingress and egress so that will get a second look by this the county governing bod's planning board so there's a sort of a double check on that issue we feel we're very satisfied with our parking and with our Ingress and egress and it will work very smoothly secondly the question kept coming up about subdivision the subdivision request is part and partial of our project tonight as the Commissioners know um next next point to make is there was comments about the height our height just like our parking is in full compliance and very similar to surrounding buildings on similar lot sizes uh with regard to the uh parking and height as we've discussed Mr Deutsch covered that his report uh Mr Deutsch also covered that there was a wide mix of residential uses including larger multif family buildings that we are not seeking at this point uh so I think we've covered a lot of the points that were raised by members of the public I would also say that some of the comments were essentially personal attacks on my client and his ownership of other properties and his management of those properties are not a subject matter for this board I urge I urge uh Mr marado as I urge every applicant to maintain his his application property the right way and he should also of course maintain other properties the right way but I don't believe that that's something that's a proper item for consideration uh tonight okay so I think I basically have addressed uh the U points that were raised during the public portion uh at this point I think the board has had a full airing of our presentation uh we believe this is an very very strong application in terms of upgrading providing new quality housing in two family homes that will be independently owned at some point there will be shared maintenance and upkeep on the buildings as per Mr deutch's report uh so this will be an opportunity for home ownership it will not be an apartment building it will be in a good investment for this owner and future owners as two family dwellings so I there was a misconception in that regard as well um essentially we think we the variances that are sought are minimal uh we we believe this type of use belongs in the R2 Zone that's why we're here and not at the zoning board it's a permitted use so for all those reasons we ask the board respectfully for a motion for approval thank you mad Madam chair before you put this matter to um to vote or should say to um motion application there's a couple matters I'd like to address yes okay first Madam chair I just wanted to put on the record um one of the objectors or interested parties I should say raised an issue about notice and I wanted to point out so the board knows this and I'm sure the board knows already that this is obviously a a rare occurrence hopefully a one of one-of aind occurrence there was the ceiling fall pulling in in the council chambers so we did have not have a me a a physical place to meet so we are now conducting the meeting virtually Madame secretary I know there were um many announcements or or several ways to announce this can you just put on the record what was done to announce the change of venue for tonight's meeting okay so last Wednesday as soon as we were informed that um the council chambers were not going to be utilized the agenda was posted in all three entrances of City Hall and it was also posted on the website with the correct information and the sections where the public can access the meeting with the meeting ID the call-in number and um the uh and how to uh view the meeting on the YouTube with the links um in all in all three of the notices on the doors and on the website thank you Madam Secretary Madam chair again I just wanted to put on the record that I um as counsil to the board I approved this method um I spoke with Madam Secretary late last week um given the circumstances and the spur of the moment decision that had to be made this was what I believed based upon the statutes based upon the review of the zoning law zoning laws of the state was the most appropriate and required course to take so in my opinion as counil to the board this notice requirement and the and the announcements on the change of venue satisfied all of the requirements of the board so I wanted to put that on the record make it very clear that it was me I was the person who approved this based upon the um my conversation with Madame secretary about moving forward tonight um second um and Mr mariconda hit a couple of these issues but I just wanted to point out for the board a couple of things and again the board has a lot to consider tonight based upon the variances that are being requested the application itself the development that's being requested and that certainly is on a uh commissioner by commissioner basis whether or not you believe the the application and the proposed development um um it should be approved or not but the two there were several main concerns that I heard from all of the obors um one of which was parking the parking requirement is met the ordinance requires four parking spaces for each one of these proposed buildings four parking spaces are being required the B um are being proposed the board does not have any statutory authority to require the applicant to do more than what the ordinance requires and that is exactly what the what the applicant is doing they were providing the parking that's required second another concern I heard was for uh the height of the building again all three buildings meet the minimum requirement for height um there's 35 um I'm sorry 35 minimum uh requirement 34 being proposed so those two concerns while they may very well be legitimate in the eyes of the of the public and I'm not saying they're not I just want to point out for the board for the Commissioners and for all of your review that the applicant satisfies that variance along with um with the parking requirement um lastly again as Mr mariconda um stated and um I don't take a position either way on this I just want to State it the way it is and that is basically that if this application this proposal was not was not allowed in this Zone it would not be before this board it would be before the zoning board this proposal is acceptable um in this particular zone so what I would just state to the board that in this application and certainly in any other application but more so on an application of this magnitude if a motion is made to approve or deny to please State the reasons on the record for your decision in making that motion um that's all I have on the procedural issues what I heard in terms of proposed conditions was I believe the applicant put on the record that there was not going to be any fees for parking um my recommendation is that that would be in the resolution itself although it's made part of the record and that there would be no ebikes permitted on the premises other than that of of any of the proposed um buildings other than that I have not I did not hear any other conditions that were not set forth in the um in the thorough planning review right thank you Mr aquaviva okay so all of that being said I'm going to ask if any commissioner would like to make a motion to either approve or deny this application I two part it's a two-part right we absolutely need right we need the two-part for the subdivision and then we need the regular site plan so yes okay um I just um W to say that the reason I am um I am I want to make a motion of denial is not uh because it doesn't have nothing to do with the parking lot it doesn't have nothing to do with the height of the buildings um I want to make emotional for denial because I think it is too much for the for the land that is there so I believe it maybe it was um subdivision of for two lots instead of three it would be a beautiful project but I think three lots in that space is too much that's my personal opinion so you're making a motion can you put on the record and then the subdivision for the subdivision okay and so um should I take a vote I'm asking alak with you should I take a vote on this or see if anyone has a motion to approve is there a second well no is there a second on the motion to deny is there a second on this motion this a second okay should we take the vote Yes the motion is on the okay all right V quote please hold on this is to deny the subdivision yes on yes on denial um no not on denal right okay commissioner Hassan no commissioner clao no commissioner Fischer yes on denial commissioner husin commissioner Hussein I need you to unmute yourself uh noo no on denial commissioner Roman yes on denial commissioner yes on denial Madam chair North no on denial okay the motion fails okay the motion the motion to deny failed Madame chair um ask if there is any other yes of the board tonight yes would anyone else like to make a motion on this application to approve [Applause] Commissioners well we have a denial but no one wants to make the motion to approve go ahead mad chair yes go ahead commissioner Lonzo I don't have the paperwork with me but I will make the motion to approve this application subdivision it's subdivision there subdivision yes ma okay and it's with the following um subdivision doesn't have the oh that's right I'm sorry sorry it's been a long night you're right I need a second so we need a vote second I need a second second who's got a second here anybody second yes commissioner Hassan second okay roll call commissioner can I just ask is that public portion uh phone still open because I hear people hold on I'm gonna M go ahead I just muted it go ahead okay okay commissioner Hassan yes commissioner clao somebody else is on um okay commissioner claudo yes commissioner Fisher uh no commissioner Hussein yes commissioner loronzo yes commissioner Roman no commissioner Mo no and Madam chair northr yes the motion passes thank you all right now we need a motion for the site plan motion to approve variances Madam chair and the B variances right um do I have a motion commissioner Lonzo yes but I don't have the paperwork that's okay I made the motion Madame uh secretary can you please read the the paper please bear with me if not I can do it oh thank okay I like to make a emotion on applic applicant uh maros property LLC uh 742 East 23r Street Patterson New Jersey 07804 property 3 22 West Broadway block 703 Lot 19 I moved at the board of attorney prepare resolution guaranteeing uh site plan approval work parenes common driveway access agreement and maintenance agreement uh common area City engineering HP so conservation District P County Planning department West Broadway is a country road with all the conditions and with all the conditions but we also and no ebikes no ebike second with and plus the other conditions do I have a second okay commissioner Hassan yes yes commissioner clao yes commissioner official no commissioner Hussein no yes commissioner ronzo yes commissioner Roman commissioner Mah no and Madam chair northr yes thank you the motion passes okay um we thank you Commissioners for your consideration okay thank you all right I I wanted I want to ask what um what is the I know we had a meeting for Wednesday night um and I want to know what is the story with this Wednesday night because from what I understand we were having it virtual now we're not having it now we can't have it no we're not going to do it so can I ask what the story is do we know Madam chair we're still live yes I know but I just I need to know about Wednesday night's meeting that's what I'm asking it is canceled as of now all right so Wednesday night's meeting is cancelled everyone I'm going to go off let's go off the record for now I make a motion to close but I want to talk to everybody still okay um motion to close and do I have a second okay all in favor I I all right so for those of you who may not know we are having an issue hold on Madam chair we're still live that is still [Music] open