second and third floors each propos one Studio unit and nine one-bedroom units and the fourth floor proposes five two-bedroom units the site is area of 10,000 square feet and is located within the multifam District of the area 11 Redevelopment plan variances are requested for lot area as a minimum lot area of 22,000 Square ft is required and 10,000 ft is proposed Max maximum building coverage as 85% is permitted and 8876 is proposed rear yard setback as a minimum of 15 ft as required and 2.98 ft as proposed not providing a minimum of two three bedroom units and parking as 32 parking spaces are required and 21 parking spaces are proposed additionally three units are below the minimum of 650 Square ft storage rooms and an indoor bicycle storage room are not provided and 4,400 Square ft of amenity spaces required and 1,510 square feet is proposed that is the synopsis review Madame chair thank you very much uh Mr mariconda yes so good evening again uh we'll be presenting Mr romanic as our architect planner uh Mr Kesner as the engineer site plan if he's available he's on his feet in another matter but if he's unavailable Mr ranic will cover that element of the project as well and the applicant is also here on standby if needed uh we agree with Mr Deutsch's U uh some brief summary of The Proposal uh we also have completely reviewed his report and Mr romanic testimony will touch upon that as well I will indicate by way of opening uh that this is a use that's strictly within the spirit and intent of the Redevelopment plan in the area 11 area as providing a multif family dwelling uh in close proximity to the St Joseph's Hospital District this is what this zone is designed for to provide quality housing in South Patterson near the hospital so that's a very important point we're obviously near Route 80 uh so close proximity to all major highways um we are also close to bus transportation 21st Avenue and Main Street and Mr romanic will take you from there okay yes Madam chairl Commissioners yes Mr romanic yeahor please raise your right hand will you say say and spell your name oh I think it's up there Michael romanic I got it just raise your hand do you swear the testimony about the given this proceeding is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do and we we accept Mr romanic as an expert witness thank you thank you madam cheer lady okay Mr romanic uh prepared your uh architectural renderings is that yes that is correct Madam cheer lady if we can share the monitor I'd appreciate it Y at dra go [Music] ahead let's see here Stephen okay we we're going to look at sheet number one I believe let's see we're going to go back okay you good okay we have we have the other sheets this is sheet one that's that's not this is sheet one Stephen here okay yep okay keep on scrolling okay yes Commissioners if you can see the front elevation of the project I appreciate that that's on sheet number one if all can see it and what we are proposing that structure which is a four-story building on a 10,000 ft lot has uh 100 ft of Frontage along Jackson Street and also 100 ft of Frontage along 21st Avenue it's on the Southeast corner of Jackson and 21st Avenue uh it actually is adjoining the route 80 um Highway elevated section of that highway it's located in the area 11 Redevelopment plan which uh specifically is in the multi family District of that plan uh it contains primarily St Joseph's uh Hospital uh complex as well as support uh facilities in the immediate area uh looking at the building Commissioners you'll see that in fact it is a three story residential or actually Four stories there are three levels of residential uh floors uh the fourth floor uh we are proposing uh contains five two-bedroom apartments the third floor has 10 units comprised of nine one-bedroom apartments and also one studio and the second floor also has 10 units comprising nine one-bedroom units and one Studio as well as you can see from the front elevation Commissioners there's varying exterior materials that we're using uh stucco which is the primary material as well as the stone veneer that we are proposing you can see also from the indications on the drawing you'll see that there are two rollup doors which provide access to the ground level parking area the ground level which we'll be seeing in the next photo uh slide uh has 21 parking spaces there are two stairs a Lobby elevator and trash com compactor as well as two mechanical rooms if we can go to sheet number two Commissioners you'll see that is the ground level uh again you can see the 21 parking spaces as well as the other uh areas that are designated uh the two stairways there's a Lobby elevator uh as well as a trash compactor which is located in the center of the ground floor as you can see and there's second floor plan and as I indicated let me turn the drawing to myself here we are proposing again there will be 10 units on each of the second and third floors again each level would contain nine one bedroom units as well as one Studio you can see from the summary of um just open my drawing the summary that I have in the farle commissioner's there are tenant rooms which uh we'll also look at uh which I have notated there uh as well in the drawing there's a proposed security which would be comprised of cameras located throughout the building including the parking level uh and also there would be apartment uh key cards that would provide access to not only the uh exterior door of the building but also the apartments and again the heating and cooling will be provided uh uh by having the exterior wall HVAC package units on the exterior of the facade uh as I indicated uh on the ground floor we did have a compactor and trash um facility there which would receive the trash from uh the compact uh rooms are shown on each of the floors which are really the shoots you can see in the middle of the floor plans Commissioners you'll see a trash room which does provide shoots for all the uh apartments at that level uh there will be laundry facility each of the apartments as well as a dishwasher fire protection will be uh provided by having an automatic sprinkler system as well as a fire alarm system in the entire building and the entire building would be handicap accessible uh throughout the structure uh commissioner so looking at the at the floor plant specifically again you'll see the units are along the exterior walls you can see the location of the two uh stairways which come up to the second third and fourth floors and also in the front the lower left of the diagram you'll see the uh Lobby elevator and steer combination right at that point that again the total area of that building represents approximately 8800 Square ft that is the second and third and fourth floors each contain approximately 8,800 Square ft if we look at the next drawing commissioner sheet number three you'll see the the fourth floor which comprises uh the five two-bedroom units as you can see on the drawing there's also an activity room uh not only in the center of the uh floor uh you'll see the notation on the far right it says tenant activities room and you'll see tenant room we're proposing as a playroom which has 344 Square ft uh there are three other um tenant activity rooms there's uh uh the room number two which we're calling a lounge which has 616 feet room three a reading room which has 316 square feet and a room number four which also has 234 Square ft that's a total of approximately 1500 square ft of amenity spaces for the tenants uh I would like to note also that across the street from the subject property Commissioners there's a ground which is located under route 80 um I'm sure the Commissioners are uh you know familiar with the area if we look at the last sheet Commissioners you'll see the facades that we are proposing you can see in the upper leftand portion of the diagram there's a 21st Avenue elevation again which is comprised of primarily a stucco finish you can see the left side elevation which also has a stuckle finish as well as uh a stone veneer um section which essentially is the face of the combination Lobby steer and elevator which will be visible from 21st Avenue and you can see the rear elevation to the far right Commissioners as well uh which is again uh using primarily the stucco exterior material as you can see in all the elevations we are proposing screening metal screening that would uh uh be open to the parking area but it would also provide a safety aspect ECT as far as accessibility uh to any one that may not be wanted on the site uh so we do have some Provisions for trying to maintain safety throughout and as I mentioned there will be cameras throughout all levels and parking area as well as the exterior and uh with the security uh key cards that would have provide access only to the building as well as the apartments so that's a summary commissioners of what we are proposing as I mentioned uh the property is located in the um Area 11 uh Redevelopment plan which essentially is the St Joseph's area uh now I I looked at some of the goals that are outlined in the plan itself and uh certainly one of them primarily is to create opportunities for residential growth this would be perfect for something of that sort it would provide housing uh certainly for the uh resident uh in the area but as well as employees of St Joseph's hospital so we feel that certainly this would benefit the the neighborhood uh and specifically St Joseph's uh complex um also in the same regard we would be promoting the general welfare uh uh by providing solid housing as well Commissioners now with regard to the parking um you know we are required to have uh 29 spaces we are providing 20 21 uh spaces Commissioners I say 29 because 32 is required but we do get uh credit for three uh EV spaces so that would bring us down to 29 spaces so we are deficient of course and based on my calculations we're deficient by eight spaces again Commissioners so we feel that this project certainly would benefit the area as Mr mariconda indicated as well it is near Mass Transit in the form of buses it's on the same corner block end of Main Street as well as 21st Avenue it's on the corner of 21st Avenue in Jackson Street so we do know that there are a number of uh uh buses that's not only serve Patterson but the outer areas of Patterson as well so we feel it's a good project Commissioners as you can see from the diagrams and um that is essentially what the summary is of the project okay just a follow up Mr manic uh just uh not too lengthy but we're in our laana section Mr Deutsch uh discusses there's quite a bit of a mixture of commercial commercial industrial uses most of which uh relate to the healthc care industry would that be fair to say yes this had been used uh for the storage of vehicles for many years so certainly that's going to clean up that lot uh it's actually an nice sore at this point in this repair as far as uh the fencing and so on so this is going to remove that condition from the uh the site itself brings us into Conformity with the goals that Redevelopment plan yes as I said I I looked at the goals and one certainly outstanding one was to create opportunities for residential uh growth and again being in the uh Area 11 development uh plan certainly it's it all encompasses the St Joseph's Hospital complex and prior approvals of course by this board have addressed the housing needs of the healthc Care industry we hope to continue that trend is that fair to say that is absolutely true and we do provide amenities again uh not only inhouse as far as tenant activity spaces but across the street on the root 80 there is a large playground area as well that would benefit the again it's it's uh directly across the street from Route 80 actually Route 80 is elevated it overlooks the site itself so uh we did not feel it would be wise to have uh roof recreation in this particular case so we did want to provide as much interior uh uh tenant amenity space as we could and again with the combination of having the playground across the street we felt would be uh sufficient okay uh Madam chair that's all I have Mr romanic obviously we are incorporating uh Mr Ker's site plan which is is a matter of record and before the Commissioners tonight uh as part of our presentation I'd like to hear from Mr Kastner please I don't know if he's on yet um we're going to check again I see him is muted oh he is on now okay we couldn't we couldn't find him okay he's on okay can you please uh you have to be sworn in sir just state your name for the record please state your name for the record and spell your last name Stephen l Kesner St ven k o s t n r 61 Hudson Street hackin sack New Jersey all right raise your right hand sir you swear the testimony about to give this proceeding is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do Madam chair Mr Ker's appeared before this board on numerous occasions I I was just about to say I do remember him and so therefore I am going to say We'll accept him as an expert witness thank you thank you very much uh good evening Steve could you give us an overview of your site plan at this time yeah certainly if I could pull it up on the screen yes okay let's go here does the board see the plan I believe it's so yes this came up now we do okay this is the property as exists now it's actually the lock consolidation plan which would eliminate the lot lines upon approval by the board and it shows it basically as a vacant parcel with a couple of concrete pads along the 21st Avenue side and then the rest of it being a a parking area uh probably a gravel lot but a vacant piece of property uh of course the proposal outlined by Mr ranic shows a multi-story building I have it mislabeled here as a five story is actually a four-story uh multifam building with parking at grade level uh the entrance being from Jackson Avenue and if I could zoom in a little bit make it a little bit clearer for the board hopefully is the uh is the is our pictures in the way of this for it is for me can you is the board able to see it yes we can see it okay I'll move it over a little bit just for my own edification here the uh uh elevation drawings and Architectural plans calls for the access and egress and egress that is from Jackson Street uh we have a 12T wide proposed apron to access the parking area grade for the 21 parking spaces beneath the building and egress as well on the Westerly side 24 ft wide uh there presently two concrete aprons along 21st Avenue they would be removed and replaced with a concrete curve uh we also have uh lighting and Landscaping if I could I'll go to the next next sheet there and again I'm going to zoom in a little bit just for clarification the lighting is beneath the building in the ceiling mounted and there are 36 uh lights in that ceiling and uh at the beneath the parking or above the parking area beneath the building itself uh and we also show let's see if I'm on the right plan I'm on the side plan here let me go back let's see yeah here we go we also have some Landscaping as well along the rear of the property and the sideline as well as along the front of the building and along the curb both on 21st Avenue and Jackson Street uh I believe there are shade trees proposed and they can give you a number and there are various shade trees seven shade trees proposed along the streetcape and they would mer Maples PR trees Red Oaks London Chinese Elm and a zova uh along the rear of the property we have aritis and along the sideline arrai in the front of the building there will be shrubs Japanese Barberry shrubs there'll be 20 of those along the front 18 arbide along the side and the rear um the uh the build building is uh within the height requirements and I I believe uh Mr romanic spoke about some of the zoning issues here Mike let me know if you'd like me to go over any of the others Steve um yeah M Eric I was gonna say I'm sorry I don't know it's not a question but I see it's a five-story building is that I think it's four story right a four story building yeah that's a Miss lab on my plan okay okay is this the updated one the one you just displayed here or yeah this is a uh this this is a mislabeling of the building Mr romantic plain shows a four-story building the first story being at grade for the parking and then three stories above a living space and I'm going to save the the questions for the Commissioners at the end but um yeah he's already because yeah that was an error on his part that's no no worries so it's a four story building we all got that right and Allan would you like me to go over the variances I believe that Michaels covered them to a great extent but if you can highlight him if you wish yeah just the um we have a uh we basically agree with Mr deutch's analysis but uh I think Mike touched upon uh a few of them uh yes I think we're fine in that regard Madam chair we have a 2 2,000t requirement uh for the lot area we have 10,000 square ft the lot being 100 by 100 uh we do comply with the height we have a front yard of one foot where none is required a side yard of two feet where none is required and a rear yard of 2.98 fet where 15 is required we do have a somebody's microphone is on requirement for the lot area we have 10,000 spe that repeating Steve sounds like an echo it does okay um and the the maximum loot coverage we're at 88.7 6% we're permitted at 85% so we have a slight overage on the maximum building coverage and the impervious coverage were at 97.6 the 2 and a half% being the landscaped areas we permitted 100% so we do comply with the coverage Mantic cover the park in the amenity space and again those last two variances you mentioned like we consider them the minimist they're very very slightly over the max so correct okay I think that would conclude Mr Ker's testimony Madam chair all right do you have any other Witnesses uh no the applicant's on standby that's all all right if we need him we will we'll bring him in in the meantime then I'm G to open this up uh to the public um if anyone in the public has let me get my notes sorry any anyone in the public has any questions of either one of these Witnesses okay now would be the time to call in okay I will all three minutes for questions and it would be questions of either witness uh 973 3211 1579 and press star three to be added to the speaker Q I'll give it a few minutes to see if anyone's on the line well we as of now Madam chair we have no one uh but let's just wait and I suggest I'm gonna give it one one or two minutes to see if anyone wants to get on and uh and then we'll take it from there let's not close the public portion yet I'm not I'm gonna do it I'm right after this I'm gon to do it for comments because usually then we go into with the Commissioners I'm going to do it both Madam chair yes uh I need to turn my camera off just for a second okay yep just make sure you come back on yes ma'am mam chair nothing okay so um all right so so at this time then I'm also going to ask then if anyone from the public has any comments regarding this project um of other uh of the two witnesses and I'll repeat the number 1 973 3211 1579 and press star three to be added to the speaker Q anyone in the queue by any chance I'm waiting I'm waiting waiting our response no okay all right so this time I'm going to close the public portion I make a motion to close second second by commissioner Hassan all in favor I I thank you okay so at this time I'm going to open up questions to the Commissioners welcome back commissioner Fisher all right I'm gonna open up um questions um to the Commissioners Commissioners questions of either witness what Commissioners we'll take it what okay all right I don't I don't hear I don't see anybody with any questions I think commissioner claudo raised his hand didn't he I didn't see yes I have a question where is he he's oh I see him right okay sorry ahead commissioner Pio go ahead I want to know why uh they can't have a a recreation area I know I know you say across the street on the park no no they have it they have it if you go on go go ahead go ahead um Mr mariconda please explain to him where it is yes M uh Madam chair and commissioner we have substantial amenity space as well as the availability of off-site playground uh which most romantic has testified to we can highlight it again can you could you on the plans okay the um it's on the fourth floor there's aity area on the plans do you have the plans commissioner Claudia yes yes all right if you have the plans look on the fourth floor right in the front says tenant activity room oh okay okay okay all got it on yes on the second and third floor we also have amenity space thank you thank you thank you okay all right anyone else Commissioners I am I I'm gonna ask a question um I know that there's going to be you said Camas throughout the property correct yes correct okay that will be um connected to the Patterson Police Department yes that is correct okay um what about I did hear something about lighting but it was kind of touched on I heard something about the lighting right above like where the parking is but is there Lighting on the outside of that building at least so that it looks safe yeah I could address that I I MRK thank you very much we also have lighting underneath the par as I said but we also I believe there's seven lights along the face of the building facing Jackson Street and 21st Avenue and they are indicated on the lighting plan okay awesome I just want to make sure that there's enough uh lighting so that people come and they feel safe and if you know walking into the building and out of the building and so forth I see commissioner amar's hand is up now yes go ahead commissioner Amar okay I see that we have a lot of [Music] um um open spaces for the for the tenants and I see that we named them the gym room the playground room the game room is the owner providing any like supplies for the gym or is he like is the owner supplying yes they will be supplied by the owner as far as the gym equipment commissioner yes absolutely okay and also tables in the reading room and so on games he's going to be providing all the uh supplies that would make the rooms functional for the tenants and they would be strictly for the tenants of the building I just want to say that I love that um even though we are not compliant with the you know open space area that the um tenants need but at least he's providing you know the tenants with the supplies and I love this idea thank you commissioner I I have a question about that I didn't see I mean I did not not see on these particular I just see uh tenant activity room tenant activity room four five3 whatever but I'm just going to ask is there a room that's large enough there for a tenant meeting room like a meeting room yes there there is commissioner um actually there's the lounge room that we're calling uh room number two has over 600 square feet okay awesome so that's that's quite large it's equivalent to say a 20 by 30 foot uh space all right I I did I couldn't see it on here but that's fine um as long as there's some place you know should they want to meet or whatever they had to have a meeting or there's something going on in their Community or something all right uh I'm okay with that that's fine any other question yeah Madam Fisher yeah Mr romantic um just like um commissioner Amar I know the uh the applicant will definitely have tables and chairs and everything in there so I'm not even gonna go with that right yes okay thank you sir thank you sir all right anything anyone else well just add to that I'm assuming there would be a timing right to who can get I mean or it's gonna yeah they'll probably work it out commissioner I know I live in a complex like that they work it out the gr would have if they wanted to have certain times that somebody was going to have a meeting they would have to work that out because we're going through that right now where I live so I want to hear that from Mr romanic is that is that the case Mr romanic yes Commissioners Yes actually we have a total of six rooms for the tenants uh the second third and fourth floors have rooms so there would be we feel ample space for the tenants they would work something out uh and uh we're showing them as a lounge a gym and so on that's going to be all supplied by the the owner uh I'm sure they'll work out the scheduling as far as use of the space yeah that's fine I'm happy with that it doesn't have to be a concrete time timing as long as they can work out I'm fine yes commissioner all right thank you yes there would be a live a person like living in there like a um a super or someone I'm not sure there's gonna be a superintendent maybe Mr Maric might my my client hasn't made a firm decision on it but I believe one of the tenants is likely to be an on-site maintenance guy superintend he does have that kind of person in mind uh so I think he's pretty much committed to that uh he does have a couple other buildings in Patterson so he he's got experience in maintenance even even in case his wither is not a super but he's I think he's leaning that way and we are not renting the parking spaces right no the spaces are as needed come with the rental no charge anyone else okay Mr mariconda please summarize thank you again Madam chair I I just want to reiterate what I basically said in my opening I think my two professionals uh presentation has more than adequately reinforced my opening about the need for this type of uh place the site suitability Visa the area 11 MF U area multif family area uh it's it's really ideally suited and we're getting rid of an old commercial use that was an isore and residential use is what the Redevelopment plan calls for it fits the spirit and intent of the Redevelopment plan to a T So for all those reasons we we ask for a motion of approval thank you Mr mariconda uh would any commissioner like to make a motion on this application Commissioners yes commissioner Hassan hold on let me find is oh boy computer got Clos now hold on louder okay let me see we want to see all right yeah so applicant uh ction Street Patterson LLC 180 Spring Street Patterson New Jersey well I'm making motion for approval uh so applicant is uh Jackson Street Patterson LLC 180 Spring Street Patterson New Jersey 07505 the property is 160- 162 Jackson Street 164 Jackson Street and 166 Jackson Street block 5809 lot one two and three so I'm requesting board attorney to prepare resolution for approval by reviewing the site plan approval pban say city engineer H Soil Conservation District I don't think we have any on this one I think there's any conditions Mr aquaviva I don't think so I didn't hear yes renting of the parking lot and um what else did we say I don't know where's Mr aquaviva you I didn't hear the first thing hear anything I think we have any conditions there are n we were asking if there were any conditions no there are none you hear no conditions you you made a reference to the lighting but it's included in the plan so that's not yeah beautiful second okay second by commissioner Roman roll call commissioner hpan yes commissioner claudo definitely yes commissioner Fisher yes commissioner Roman yes commissioner Mar yes and Madame chair northr yes congratulations thank you we thank you for your approval thank you very much so everyone there's nothing there's nothing else tonight no Madam chair okay make a motion to close the meeting second all in favor I good night everybody be safe by real quick can we stand by real want to talk yes we need to alrighty then so we have to wait to we off the record yes okay see if Ryan um is yes I'm getting him okay I feel like this is good night Jim Bob we're all in these little squares we're gonna be saying good night to everybody good night John Boy oh God wasn't that Hollywood Squares I think we're still live everyone we're still alive we're like Hollywood Squares in a breedy bunch Madam Secretary said we're still live we're still alive [Music] God it's a little humor for our viewers to come take your cat we're still live oh sorry my daughter's cat is attacking me I couldn't get her well get her she w't be on the couch --------- okay good evening everybody Welcome to City of Patterson's uh planning board meeting special meeting of April 15 2024 I'm going to ask everyone to please rise for the flag salute I pledge allegiance to the flag flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you I'm going to also remind everyone that if you're not speaking please mute mute yourself so that we don't get any feedback okay when you're ready to talk then of course you unmute unmute yourself all right um so give me one moment okay Commissioners planning board staff ladies and gentlemen as chairwoman of the city of Patterson's planning board I call the special meeting of the April 15 2024 to order I hear by state that all the provisions of the state of New Jersey public meeting law have been fully and completely met that the notice of Provisions required have been properly posted in the planning board office and with the city of Patterson clerk that the public notice and advertisements have been published in The Herald news on April 5th 2024 in accordance with the law and that the copies of such notice and public advertisements are on file in the planning board office as is also the agenda listing the applications to be taken up by the planning board at this meeting public participation will be available by calling 9 73 3211 1579 the meeting ID number is 8326 and you would press star one to listen to the meeting and press star three to be added to the speaker Q on the date and time that the meeting is scheduled to commence the public may also participate in the meeting by accessing the website of the city of Patterson www.pon nj.gov and following the email link for the meeting which is www.youtube.com SLC forward city of Patterson NJ City Hall forward live okay and tonight's procedures will be in accordance with the rules and regulations and bylaws as here to for determined by the planning board at its office at25 Ellison Street in the city of Patterson Madame secretary roll call please commissioner C pres commissioner Fisher presid commissioner Hassan presid commissioner Roman present commissioner Omar and Madame chair northop present thank you okay so I believe this evening we have um two meetings two special meetings I believe the first one is Patterson Triplex Ln LLC and uh Miss at they're at 141-143 East 32nd Street and 145 East 32nd Street block 8405 lots 22.2 and 22.01 um Miss farsb are you going to be giving the review this evening yes Madam sureair okay please proceed sure thank you let me let me just ask a m let me just put it on the record that uh who the the attorney for this application is uh Mr Soro correct yes that's correct mam chair okay all right thank you please proceed M sure the applicant proposes a merger of the lot and a re division of the total combined lot area of the 7500 square foot parcel into three lots proposed lws 22A 22b and 22c are each to contain a new three story two unit dwelling on a proposed 2500 square foot lot this proposal is located within the R2 low medium density residential district proposed Lots 22A 22b and 22 C request variances for lot area 5,000 square ft required and 2500 square feet proposed lot withth 50 ft required and 25 ft proposed side yard setback 4 ft required and 3 ft proposed combined side yard setback 14 ft required and 6 ft proposed rear yard setback 20 ft required and 13 ft proposed lot coverage 40% permitted and 50.7% proposed parking set by 3 ft required and 0.5 ft proposed and parking as two out of the four proposed parking spaces are located in the front yard setback requires minor subdivision approval Cy approval and book variances Madam sure I have to add one more uh thing and is that um at the time of finalizing the staff report the property taxes are uh for lot 22.021 property 22.01 the applicant um paid uh the property taxes for lot uh yes so when U my client was made aware that the taxes were outstanding um in addition to the one lot which took property taxes were brought current the other lot actually has a a a lean on the property uh so in order to clear up the lean you need a a Redemption certificate from the tax collector that calculates the interest in accordance with the St statute um and my client went actually last week to request that uh they said it would take a day or two we anticipated having that today but apparently some of the computer systems were down uh today um so that they couldn't produce the accurate number um for the payoff for that lean um uh that lean Redemption so the request is given the given the circumstances of uh trying to make the payment but uh with the computer being down we would ask that uh the the board proceed with it and certainly um withhold the resolution if at that point in time uh the lean is not PR current Madam chair that's what yes Mr yeah that's what I was going to suggest that the resolution couldn't be memorialized until the tax lean is is clear and proof is provided okay fine so Madam chair I can attest that the system was down um that they used to to obtain that information okay fine it does it does seem that way because you know Mr de didn't get the the link it just seems like there was some issues okay so we'll take that into consideration and um so Mr stlo I would like to ask you to proceed how many witnesses do you have this evening uh thank you uh Madam chairwoman and Commissioners uh good evening counselor Charles Solus on behalf of the applicant mam sherwan we have two two witnesses we have the architect and a professional planner okay um so uh let's start with the architect please yes so ner is ner on good evening everyone good evening okay please raise your right hand you swear the testimony you're about to give in the proceeding is the truth the whole truth or nothing but the truth yes I do we accept him as an expert witness thank you madam chairwoman thank you thank you madam chairwoman um okay ner can you um please describe to the Commissioners the uh plans that You' presented to the board uh yes absolutely so I'm going to share the uh screen if you don't mind do you see the uh drawings no yes n Go ahead just zoom it um get rid of the uh side uh Legend so that it could uh increase the The View is that better well yeah right I don't see it it's gone uh now okay no yeah he'll just have to zoom in as he uh describes each uh section yeah there's always a delay I believe in in the uh uh screen sharing so again this is uh 141 uh 143 um and 145 East 32nd Street uh this property is located uh in the R2 District it's on the easterly corner uh it's on the easly side of East 32nd and 100 ft uh from the corner of 12th and East 32nd Street this is the location map um and then this is the zoning map which clearly indicates that it it's in the R2 zoning District uh the proposal is to merge two lots uh resulting in 75 by 100t lot and subdividing those uh two lots uh after the merger into 3 25 by 100 Lots uh the existing site plan I'm zooming into it right now and I apologize if you hear the voice uh sound of uh ambulance and fire I don't know I'm very close to St Joe's Hospital uh so this is a 75 by 100 lot there's an existing garage there masoner garage there's existing Foundation uh and then there's a driveway also there are some steps uh so the proposal is to clear the site and have it ready to receive the proposed uh 32 family dwellings uh this is the proposed site plan each lot would be 25 in width and 100 uh deep uh and we are proposing four uh parking spaces for each uh of the proposed two family dwellings uh we do have a variance parking in the front of the uh in the front yard and the 20 foot required front yard setback however we believe that providing parking is uh outweighs the uh the uh compliance with the 20 foot yard setback uh requirement excuse me um in terms of the front elevations we do depict that on the first sheet uh in terms of the height we do comply with the height uh 22A is the one further to the left and then 20 lot 22b is the one in the middle and 22 C is the one all the way to the right and we mirrored 22b it's basically the same layout we tried to create with the roof lines uh a little bit of a uh variation this way it doesn't give you that one uh uh uh design layouts for the three for the three uh dwellings so that each one would look slightly different from the other one uh and we're proposing to have stacco finish and siding finish uh there uh I'm not going to go over the variances because there's a planner who's going to talk more about the variances okay uh on the second page SP uh 01 uh we are providing the storm water calculations the are very technical and it's subject to the review and approval of the uh city engineer and it is in compliance with the city of Patterson requirements in terms of the storm water management and zero runoff enter the street sp02 uh we are providing a soil erosion and sediment control plan uh and also we're providing because the sidewalk new curb Cuts new sidewalk throughout the 75 foot uh Frontage we have to excuse me to provide new sidewalk uh new curbs new Paving details uh and what have you uh going to the architectural floor plans uh the architectural A1 the drawing all the way to the left is the ground floor I'm going to zoom to that so here there would be a garage that would contain two parking spaces and then towards the rear there's a storage area 440 Square ft this would belong to the second floor apartment only with access from the garage uh there's also a mechanical room and we're also providing an enclosure for the refu and recycle uh this would be accessible from the outside by a double doors and it would uh we believe it would keep uh the property uh in need condition the second floor would contain the two main entrances we do have separate entrances the one to the left leads to the uh we call it apartment number one which would be the apartment for the second floor and then the entrance to the right leads you to a staircase that goes up to the third floor apartment as you enter there would be uh four risers to the living space living dining and kitchen uh and then towards the rear we have three bedrooms we have two bedrooms with the one bathro here and then we are pro uh providing a laundry closet that would have its own each unit would have its own washer and dryer unit and then we have the master bedroom with his and her closets and it has its own master bathroom um in terms of this square footage uh this apartment is 1,152 square feet which is way above the minimum requirement for a three bedroom unit if we go up to the third floor uh access to this apartment as I mentioned uh through the main entrance door to the staircase and then you go up uh Landing between the dining room and the living room uh this apartment is slightly larger because it doesn't it has this extra space here in the living room towards the front uh but it's basically almost mimics the layout of the uh second floor apartment you have living dining and Kitchen open layouts concept and then you have the laundry room a bathroom two bedrooms and you have the master bedroom his and her closets and a master bathroom uh we also uh are proposing to have an pull down attic access ladder and and this would be the attic space this would be used only for storage and Mechanicals for the third floor unit uh this is for lot 22b the layout for lot 22A is similar but as I mentioned we mirrored uh the layout so here you have the parking spaces on the right side of the dwelling rather than on the left side just to create some diversity there uh we have an enclosure here for the recycle and refu and we have the mechanical room towards the rear and then we have a storage area for the uh uh second floor unit 440 Square ft uh the layouts are pretty much the same as I explained before for lot 22b this is for 22A the living room and dining room would be on the right side the kitchen would be on the left side and then we have two bedrooms laundry room bathroom a master uh bedroom with two closets and a master bathroom I'm sorry okay and then the third floor would be pretty much the same also and the attic space would belong to the third floor unit uh storage and Mechanicals only uh lot 22c which would be all the way to the right side is identical to lot 22A the layout in terms of the elevations the side and rear elevations are identical the bottom portion which would usually it would be mo uh masonry for the garage uh area the first floor and then the second and third floors would be sighting and then here you see the access doors for the refu and the recycle bins storage area uh again the height is in compliance 32 ft I believe this is the last page this concludes my testimony are we good yes I am good Mr stlo you can continue yes thank you madam chairwoman uh thank you Nasser um I have no uh direct uh follow-up questions at this point in time if the Commissioners have any questions for an answer that'd be appreciate it uh right now I'd like you to bring your other uh witness in and then I'll open it up to questions for both thank you madam chairwoman okay we have as our second witness Mr Alex MCC professional planner from John McD's office Alex are you on yes I'm I'm on I think I need to stop sharing because I believe Alex has some exhibits right yes I do that's okay okay okay Alex please raise your right hand and let's get sworn in by the uh Madam Secret sry yeah just state your name for the U record please sir yes my name is Alexander mle last name is MCC l e a an can't see oh your answer is okay do you swear the testimony about to give this proceeding is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you can we hear his credentials please Alex for the benefit of the Commissioners can you please uh put on your educational and experience credentials uh yeah I uh so I hold a Masters in City and Regional planning from Mar University um I am also a member of the American Institute of certified planners and I'm also licensed by the state board professional planners I testified um throughout boards boards throughout the state okay thank you we we accept him as an expert witness thank you please proceed thank you madam chair thank you madam chairwoman um okay Alex uh you were on during the testimony of the architect is that correct I was yes okay and you're familiar with the application and uh the site in the neighborhood I am yes okay so why don't you go through and list the variances that are being requested and put on the necessary proofs right so uh yes so we're looking at uh as noted before eight uh eight C variances so we're looking at really C2 uh variances um as a result of the uh proposed um subdivision with the three lots but uh just to get the board orientated for the for planning purposes i' I have exhibits that I was going to share with the board yes please um Mr McLean have you submitted those to the board prior to tonight uh no okay um H Mr aquaba we have to mark these correct and as soon as you can please email those um PDFs of uh and The Originals mark them um with exhibit A1 and today's date and your initials and send them to my office please sure well do okay let me share my screen can everyone see [Music] yes all right now Al Alex before Alex before we start uh these exhibits they were prepared either by yourself or under your direction uh yeah okay and as you go through them please just describe them and let's mark them exhibit A-1 a-2 Etc with the date thank you okay all right so the the first uh page of this exhibit is just um the parcel map we get the text law here um which identifies the Lots in question here the lot 2201 and lot 2202 of block 45 48 8405 sorry um uh this was just prepared to just kind of give board an idea of the dimensions of the lot since um you the lot widths um is one of the um the issues here uh in terms of um requiring some of the variance relief that's being sought so as you can see that the existing Lots here are pretty narrow and and know one of the um um Since U one of the so we're looking at um the required uh minimum minimum lot width is 50 ft and we're proposing 25 for each of the uh proposed subdivision subdivided Lots so this is so so throughout the this block all of the Lots here are um below the minimum so I just wanted to note that for the record um so they're all under sized all this is um an aerial image of the site in question uh the there was an existing there was a prior to the um demolition there was a the the property was improved with a three-story home believe it was a single family home and you can see um some of the surrounding land uses in the area which you have some two two family homes here which is so so what we're proposing is consistent with what's in the character of the the neighborhood and this is facing um East uh this you're seeing here on the the road on the right side that's 12th Avenue and going toward 33rd Street and across the I mean I'm sorry I'm going to turn around here so on the next page here you see a right on the other side of 32nd Street you see the other um residences the the land uses in the surrounding area so you have this a pretty large um multif family it's two stories right across the street um and then you have some single family homes to the right of that uh development so this area is you know it's it's pretty it's used to density so what we're proposing is not uh a deviation from the the existing character of the neighborhood so with that being said I'm going to stop sharing my screen and I can how I do that um Tony and how does he stop sharing do you know how to stop share the screen right just move the move it over your um the mouse over to the top of the screen and could stop sharing there ah okay I see it y okay okay can we talk can can someone talk a little bit about the um the variances yeah yes I was GNA get into that yeah okay sorry um yeah so so yeah so um yes so this property is um in the the city's R2 U low density residential zoning District um and they we're looking at applicants proposing um residential sorry in this District residential buildings would be two family residential buildings are permitted in this District so um we are in compliance with the use requirements as noted before we're looking at uh eight variances related to lot area lot width side yard setback combined sidey setback rear yard set back maximum block coverage parking setback and parking uh with respect to the justification for the for the variance relief I'll just I'll just get into the the positive criteria um so I I believe that this application would substantially outweigh any detriment and by advancing multiple purposes of the ml specifically purpose a for the promotion General Welfare since the proposed residences uh would replace um uh would be an improvement in you know and obviously it's just going to replace an abandoned a formerly abandoned residential structure that was in isore in this community and provide fresh housing stock that that that'll be up to modern living standards um purpose B for from securing safety from fire flood panic and other natural man-made disasters since these subdivided lws will be developed in accordance with all local building and fire codes that purpose G for providing sufficient space in appropriate locations as the proposed development would take place in the permitted zoning district and the units would be comfortably sized um as um as noted by The Architects these are pretty large units uh on each two on each lot purpose ey obviously for the promotion of a of a desirable visual environment by providing three new attractive residential buildings um and finally in purpose M for the promotion of efficient land use by maximizing the number of permitted residential units in place of an of a formerly a former single family home and that was using that was an underutilized lot um with respect to the negative criteria I believe that relief can be confidently granted without substantial detriment to the public good and substantial impairment uh to the intent purpose of the Zone plan and ordinance uh since the cities 2014 master plan identifies that there were too many abandoned homes uh and that the rehabilitation of existing substandard properties um as a c as a Citywide problem as a city-wide problem that needed to be addressed um and the proposed development would Advance goal one of the city's housing goals which calls for providing a variety of housing types that will attract and retain uh a mix of residencies from various socioeconomic backgrounds so and consideration of all the points that I made just now um and the area the character and the Improvement that this um proposal would mean to the the neighborhood um I believe that um this project represents good planning and that relief is warranted so is that the end of his testimony uh yes Madam chairwoman the Commissioners have any questions for either of the professionals yeah I'm I'm going to open it up to the public so um if there's anyone let me just get my notes so I got the right phone numbers here if anyone in the public has any questions of either of these Witnesses and this is for questions only um if you have any questions for either witness uh you may call in at 973 3211 1579 and you can um press star three to be added to the speaker que okay um so uh I'm going to give it a few minutes just to make sure that it connects and anyone having questions I'll give them three minutes uh each for each person that gets on the line so uh let's just give it one one or two minutes so we can see if Ryan has any calls Madam Secretary is there anyone waiting in the queue I'm waiting on a response from Ryan okay no callers Madam chair okay thank you so it is time I would like to make a motion that close the public portion do I have a second um someone open their mic okay so commissioner commissioner clao seconded and all in favor I I I I perfect thank you all right uh all right so I'm GNA open it up to the Commissioners Commissioners any questions of uh these Witnesses commissioner Amar okay um I think I understand but um I just want to clarify the parking lots uh the parking that they're offering is two spaces under like inside in the garage and the other two spaces outside the garage I believe that is yes that's correct commissioner yes that's correct commissioner okay but um can we count on outside the space uh parking what if it's in if there's an emergency exit from the cars inside the garage and they take long to move their cars is that considered a parking a legal parking uh yeah it's Code Compliance basically so in terms of exits we have to provide exits uh from the dwellings themselves and we do comply with that and parking as well uh I can provide a door and a man door from the uh enclosed parking also that's to provide an exit I'm sorry I don't think you got my question Mr aquaviva um my question is if someone needs to take their car in case of emergency let's say the tenant has an emergency and he needs to take their car out but there's two other Park two other cars parking that doesn't belong to him do we count those two parkings outside the building as as a parking my understanding and I would I guess I would defer to our planner for that my understanding is is that there are six parking spaces proposed two of them being in the front yard setback um and I I do I believe believe a variance is required for the four but a variance is required for the two parking in the front yard setback um as far as W am I correcting that that's correct that is correct actually um the applicant needed the variance for the front yard set the parking and the front yard setback so it's all the arrangement so commissioner basically they are providing six parking spaces which satisfies the requirement however the variance is for the two parking spaces in the front which is not permitted by ordinance that's what they're seeking a variance for Mr aquaviva but when we're going to do a subdivision okay each um two apartments require four parking the two each each house each two family requires four parking spaces right um yes and we're providing the four correct that's that's correct commissioner you're providing only two the other two are outside the parking lot that's what I'm asking correct you cannot combine the six of them because they're only providing two inside each building no buty they're satisfying the parking requirement in other words even if they didn't provide the two in the front they're satisfying the parking requirements four parking spaces are required four being provided they're actually proposing two extra parking spaces in the to satisfy the parking requirement even further what I saw in the in the and I'm sorry to keep repeating myself but what I saw in the plans is that it's only two perir apartment two cars inside and two outside isn't that right two per per lot two per apartment per lot no the total the total require the total required is four per lot yes and we're providing for so we don't have a parking we don't have a parking variance in terms of the count of number of spaces you are providing two inside and two outside and two outside so you're providing only two inside that's what I'm asking the outside but they're on the lot but they are on the lot which means it's off street parking so you can count them toward the parking requirement that was my question thank you very much okay thank you commissioner Fisher yes you got me um my question is uh you have uh that area on 302nd street I grew up in that area I know it very well you're right about the um you know the density whatever but you're taking is correctly if I'm wrong you're taking a lot and a half and you're putting three units on it is that correct I'm having a hard time understanding you commissioner yeah oh okay hold on your microphone or something correct me if I'm wrong and then you got hold on sorry one second is this better better better you can hear me okay yes very good well my question is there's um a lot it's a lot and a half correct and that's being um putting three buildings on the lot and a half is that correct I can't hear you for some reason yes yes commissioner wait a minute take your microphone off commissioner Fisher take your microphone off hold on he I don't think he's aware that he's muted hold on [Music] M now you yes your speakers not working please check your connections but we can hear I can't hear you guys you can't hear us but if you can hear me um we can you everybody can hear me right yes so okay but if you can't hear us that's a problem did you so do you hear did you hear my question well you hear us Fisher you hear us am I right or am I wrong is it three units put on one and a half all right he's asking if there are two lots I'm trying to one large lot one small lot he's saying Sor I don't know what happened when you when you guys said you couldn't hear me I took my head phones off and shut them down now I can't hear anything should have kept them on hold on let me shut this off oh sorry guys you may want to say use computer audio so then you can hear both anything oh I don't think he can hear go ahead go go ahead on without me I I'm trying to find this speaker is it on your you have the do you have the laptop from uh the city I can't hear me he cannot hear us M chair he can't hear us Madam chair I'll I'll I'll try to get a hold of him all right do I have another question on the floor here yeah um I one thing yes the Mr Al when I think your first um first architectural design if you don't mind can you pull up the very first page um because in computer we have hold on let me go back in mine and you can if you can share your or yes one second okay very first page right remember when you said there's three building sitting I mean standing next to yeah can you scroll um where is the three building then standing next to each other yeah right there so I mean it's a general question I don't think it's it's very it's pretty straightforward I see so is there any reason I think you mentioned the reason but I can't recall the mid the middle one why the entrance is different than the other one meaning like you know it would been nice if we have entrance to the left I mean to the left for each three or right on each three you know what I mean that's the way I mean look nice but is there any reason you did that I mean you don't have to um yes commissioner it's just to create some diversity uh in terms of the look uh because it would be I don't know for lack of a better word maybe boring to have exact same layouts uh on the three houses so we thought if we Flip or if we mirror the one in the middle it would just create some diverse uh you know but if if the board's uh I mean in terms of design it's either way it's fine of the rather it's fine if you want to have diversity I was wondering maybe you could put door in the middle but it's okay who already did it it's difficult to put the door in the yeah that's fine I mean it's it's I was just curious if you have any reason that okay I cannot do this you know what I mean like maybe the make more room for the drive I mean the garage or something but it's the same same width right yeah it's just it's just Aesthetics that's yeah yeah that's all no you don't have to change anything it's it's it's fine okay sure thank you thank you Commissioners yes can you you guys hear me and I can hear yes yes yes um my question was um as I see the lot I know the neighborhood very well grew up there uh question is it a lot and a half which I trying to see then you're putting three uh apartments on three buildings on there am I right or no uh yes commissioner so basically this is the existing so the the lot on the left is 22.01 it's already 25 by 100 and then the lot to the right which is is 50 by 100 right so the proposal is to merge them and subdivide them into three lots okay my question is if it's that why can't it be into two lots because of the uh the area because you mentioned how density it is so why can't it be two instead of three it's like we're squeezing it in there U my opinion yeah I think the planner uh did uh you know explain that and and and the reason and the positives and the negatives uh but this is not out of the ordinary a lot of the Lots in this area are 25 by 100 no I understand I understand sorry yeah sorry commissioner no no you're good I understand that but I'm saying um you said he explained I didn't hear him explain that well to me can you yes as I noted in the um in the exhibit so the um I I had done the first page was the uh the parcel map so on that on that block um 84 8405 um all those lots are on the size the widths are all below 50 uh feet in width um and so what he what the applicant is proposing here is just some more efficient use of land so you have this you have these two lots two existing Lots one very thin one and a very large one and what we're doing is as the architect noted we're trying to combine it and we're basically creating equal full size lots and we're trying to maximize the amount of housing that we can provide and and those lots reflect the existing dimensions of the rest of the block that's what we're that's what we're trying to aim for so I kind of understand it I understand the numbers but just because you can do you think you should and that's the residents I don't think would like they probably want to have two instead of three in that area now I know you mentioned the about the parking uh two uh in the garage and two outside um it just seems like um it's just uh a little bit too much for me my opinion I just wanted to note that we're also um the each each of the units is a pretty comfortable size I believe it's about 1,200 square feet per unit and we're talking about two per two on each lot so um and no the inside Alex the inside is fine I I I agree I I like the project okay I just think you know that's just my opinion okay thank you thank you can you guys hear me yes yes all right there I am all right I lost I lost something now so I don't know whether there's something going on in patteron today with all this Electronics all right um any other questions commissioners Commissioners I have one yes commissioner Roman go ahead um is there any rear exits I don't I don't think what kind of exits exits any in the rear any rear exits oh uh we're not proposing uh for two family you need only one exit but if uh the board obviously we can provide that for the board provid I think that would be a good idea sure we can provide that no problem I I I honestly think you know it is you know a lot of people in there yeah I think we need the the rear exit for sure sure we can comply with that no problem Commissioners I'm I'm yeah I'm good go ahead okay anything anyone else uh just one one more commissioner these properties are are are going to be like for rent for sale all Commission commissioner they'll most likely be for rent there'll be rental properties okay U all right I'm good Madam chair thank you okay thank you all right Commissioners one last question I'm sorry yes commissioner Mr I heard they're saying that there will be an attic with a um a ladder going down for storage for the third where is the storage for the second floor going to be uh yes commissioner it's on the first floor as I explained just behind the two parking spaces there's a storage space okay I'm sorry I didn't hear that part no problem and the but I just want to clarify the third the the attic portion is strictly for like the air conditioning units and all if it's for central air and all that stuff correct and storage for the Upper Floor apartment and storage for the Upper Floor but there's no bathroom up there or anything else I I could see it on the plan okay all right no all right commissioners oh I got I got yes commissioner claudo well I would recommend not to have ebikes on their garages I agree too that always is what I want definitely I'm sorry I didn't I didn't hear that yeah no no no ebikes okay on the property okay not in the garage nowhere no ebikes sure anyone else okay everyone's quiet so I'm going to ask Mr sarlo would you please summarize for us actually I should open it up for comments Madame secretary do you think I should open it up for comments we closed a public portion already all right then we're not opening up for I would think if anybody was on the line he would have seen it anyway that's what I think so okay all right so I'm going to ask Mr sarlo to please summarize uh thank you madam chairwoman uh thank you Commissioners uh for uh listening to the testimony of the two witnesses for this application again in a summary fashion um this is a consolidation of two lots and then looking to reub reub divide the consolidate a lot into three lots and it was a very good question from the commissioner why go from two to three um I think the the the impetus here is to provide a new stock of housing I me we have um these two lots had um some um dilapidated housing there it is a part of the master plan is to promote uh the development of new housing in this particular area um get rid of the the substandard housing and um the two lots as nassa had pointed out the architect had pointed out in the um in his exhibits are lots that are not equal size um so yes if these these two lots were developed as two lots um it wouldn't really well would create more housing the the neighborhood would be um not even in terms of uniformity um and from a good planning purpose it's always good to create some uniformity that's why you see sort of the design as it was is sort of the uniformity in terms of the size of the Lots it does create the additional uh dens um for the extra the extra unit which is extra house which is two more units um but again that's advances the purpos of the municipal land use law as well as the city's master plan so one of the one of the uh purposes of the planner testimony and what the board has to weigh here is you know do the benefits outweigh the detriments um there are a number of variances and they are all being triggered by the the ability for to provide good siiz units that exceed the minimum requirement for the units but on smaller on smaller Lots so clearly we have the side yard setbacks and the rear yard seex and that's a tradeoff for providing suitable housing stock um and that's the balancing effect under the C2 variants that these that the Commissioners have to weigh um and as the planner had indicated in his professional opinion he believes that the um the benefits do outweigh the detriments and again determine the statute is substantial detriment so there has to be a substantial detriment to the character of the neighborhood or a substantial detriment to the master plan and as the planner had indicated we believe this actually promotes um and advances the master plan in the municipal land use law um and we don't think it's a substantial detriment to the character of the neighborhood um the term density was used and that was actually used in a positive fashion that this is a neighborhood that is dense and yes someone you may say well if it's dense already why are we putting more housing there um but the that terminology was used to show into evidence that this is not outside the character of the neighborhood that adding six more units um is U not outside the character of this dense neighborhood if this was a neighborhood that was on you know 50 by 100 foot lots and they were all single family um as kind of a a alternate scen that would then be uh potentially considered to be a substantial detriment to the character of the neighborhood uh but here what's being proposed we think is consistent with the neighborhood scheme um and we believe that the proofs that were provided um are satisfactory for the the Commissioners to vote in favor of this application as presented uh with the commit with the conditions that the uh Commissioners um put on the record during the deliberation so I thank you for your time and effort and we would ask that the commissioners vote in a positive fashion Madam chair I have to I understand I know we have to have to stated for the record uh we have to um open we open the public portion there are two people on a queue for public comment yep okay so are they in the queue I'm going to make a motion right now to open the public portion again so that we can hear their comments second all in favor I I hi hi and hold on one second let me get the first person on Miss Susan AR sler I hope you can all hear me please let me know that you can yes ma'am hello okay so um excuse sorry can you hear me can you hear me I'm just gonna ask you to please say your say your name and address for the record please okay um first my name is Susan R sliner that's a RS l a n r um I am the daughter of the homeowner next door to this property but I do have power of attorney to represent my mother so I can give you her name as well as both of our addresses that's fine she can testify she can testify Madam chair yep we need the address ma'am okay so so my mother is Mrs Lila abaz and her address is 139 East 32nd Street right next word to that property okay we have you spell a last name your mom excuse me can you spell your mom's last name excuse me spell your mother's last name sure abaz a abz a y b as in boy a thank you so okay so for the record I want to say my family's home um they've lived there since the early 60s I grew up in that house uh next door to this property first I want to point out that and I'm not sure if everyone is aware but I feel it's important to point out that that house had been abandoned for well over 10 years and over the course of those 10 years and plus more could be more than 10 um I myself personally went to the town to um City hold to complain to report that it was uncamp that it was abandoned there were squatters there and we were actually very afraid that something bad would happen and on August 31st 2022 a horrendous fire broke out um it was the property that was there was a three-story three family house not a single family house and a fire broke out and it it damaged including my mother's house I think it was 10 10 including the house that burned down uh 10 11 houses I believe around the neighborhood and it took us personally more than 5 months to bring my mother's house back um into you know out of the disrepair to repair it it was horrendous and and not again not for a lack of me personally going downtown and trying to get something done to have someone take responsibility for that property so and since that fire and since then we're it's almost been a year and a half that again that property there's one big like a where the um house was there's a big like a sinkle almost um where the uh basement is they had um put um the city came they put fencing and tarp around it to prevent anyone from accessing so um one of the comment well several people commented on the um the parking there it is yes very dense in that neighborhood across from that property is a very large garden apartment complex there's numerous multif family houses there some of them are very large and most of the people cannot fit they're parking there and I'm there every week to see my mother to check on her and my mother's house is blocked um the driveways blocked this property they pulled down the fencing and the tarp that was there just so they can access what's left of the driveway on this property to park in there the people that already live there cannot fit their cars on there so number one that's a major area of concern for me and I know the the um the rest of the homeowners would be concerned on that street too and also again because it's so dense to have three family H three houses that tight together it just doesn't make sense it's already so crowded and I it's going to be in isore because all the houses look different if you looked at my mother's house my mother's house including the two houses next door to them no wait one two four houses they all have similar style there's a house and to the to the side is the is the driveway that's how it should be put two houses there and again I remember when the commissioner saying you can't you know just because you can build three should you be building three I personally would love to see this house you know this property repaired and houses put up and because um the it's it's a huge isore right now I I have gone to City Hall I can't tell you how many times I've contacted the mayor Andre the city manager our councilman sending in pictures text visiting them going to the health department the police department the fire department to complain about how this person whoever this entity that owns it right now how they've neglected it and they don't even come and clean up the garbage so I'm gonna ask excuse I'm sorry to interrupt you I'm gonna ask you if you can just wind it down because I'm I understand I'm sorry it's okay yeah so so yeah I said everything so you you you can understand my amount of distress over dealing with this property for so many years and the fact that they want to squeeze in and bring in six more Ames and and we already can't fit people that live there cannot fit on that street as it is it should be two houses not three I've had thank you thank you for your comments thank you sure okay next caller please hello we can hear you hello this is this is Mr Price calling I live on street I'm sorry you're goingon to have to I'm EXC excuse me I'm sorry you're gonna have to speak up and for the record please state your name and address for the record can you hear me now uh yeah but we got a stenographer that's got to take record so um if she can't hear you then she will let you know that can you hear him ton okay okay go ahead please just give me the name and address again my name is Mr Price and my address is 284 East 28th Street in patteron Mr Price what's your first name Michael thank you go ahead okay um the reason why I called in is because I have a serious concern about the building in the city of Patterson and just like the other commissioner said just because you can do something should you do it that area in patteron is a is is the same as several other areas where building has been exploding in our city and there's no real concern about how much we're building as well as how it's impacting each community so when we have people come in and they voice their concern saying that this is a positive build and because of the area that's already dense I don't think anybody's thinking about what the community really needs and how the homeowners that are paying these bills every month really feel to to take this area and to put three properties here and then you look at the variances it's almost like across the board every variance is basically breaking the rules excuse and the way I see it is is is someone speaking no sir go ahead okay that the way I okay I'm sorry I apologize I apologize um the way I see it is if you're asking for a place to you want to build and you say hey we need a slight variance you know that variance thing shouldn't be like a total rule breaker so if you need 20 spaces you should be providing for parking you shouldn't be coming before this board and getting approval when you're only providing 25% of what the requirement is and if you're building a a dwelling and it's going to be a certain height the same thing we should have some guidelines here but I feel like this Board needs to do a better job outside of looking at whether they're going to have ebikes they need to look at parking and look at the number of people human bodies that you're going to bring into a particular area and to say that it's going to make this area better is virtually impossible and the reason why I said it's impossible is because the people that are advocating for this they have no studies they have no proof they have no documentation to justify what they're saying and I say that because if they were using examples of other properties that have been built in the city I haven't seen an example of any properties which made a neighborhood better in terms of parking and which neighbor made neighborhood better in terms of how dense it is just to go along to get along it's just not good for this city and I feel like we need to finally begin to slow this thing down because we don't have a homeless problem because people can't find an apartment we have a surplus of apartments in the city of Patterson this dwelling is not going to be a place where the homeowner is going to live they're only generating more Apartments when does it stop and we finally get a chance to say you know what we've got too many apartments and when we have too many apartments the landlords are going to foreclose on the properties and when they foreclose on the properties the taxpayers the homeowners that live here we're going to have to pay the bills because they're going to split all the taxes among all of us so I'm just asking you guys to please consider this if they want to build something that's going to keep the neighborhood the same if you want to build two buildings there fine but I feel like three properties here is too much thank you okay thank you Mr Price um anyone else on the uh line no there's no one else on the line okay so we already um had a summary and I'm going to close close I'm going to close the public portion I comments thank you all in favor favor thank you fine okay so Mr sarlo already summarized so I'm going to ask if any commissioner would like to make a motion on this application would anyone like to make a motion whether it be to approve or deny uh we got to do something here okay well I like to make a motion to deny okay this project I don't have the this is for the subdivision subis excuse me Sor wait sub Madam chair this is on the subdivision correct subdivision right yes okay so okay motion to deny okay are there any other motions on the floor do I have a second for the denial second second by commissioner Amar roll call please commissioner Haan and it's affirmative on the denial everyone so yes for the denial or no for the denial commissioner Hassan yes am I on on mute no I'm not on mute yes okay commissioner clao yes commissioner Fisher yes commissioner Roman yes commissioner M yes and Madame chair northop yes okay motion passed Madam chair that there's no need for a vote there's no need no for the second for the second because there's no site plan because we don't have a division okay okay all right thank thank you mad and chairwoman thank you commission thank you everyone secretary Sor Madam Secretary for the record the application is denied yeah got it okay so um okay now are the parties here for the second uh meeting I see Mr mariconda yes and Madam chair I don't know if you if you mind I need at least a five minute break okay we'll take a five minute break it's 11 7:47 excuse me take a f minute break and we'll all meet back here in five minutes just hold on one second I have to let Ryan know to uh put us on standby [Music] [Music] yep did he do it uh he's do doing it just we have to [Music] wait e e e e e e e e e e e