we're ready Madam chair thank you good evening the Piscataway Township planning board meeting will please come to order adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways notice published in The Courier News notice posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building notice made available to the Township Clerk no desent to The Courier News and to The Star Ledger Mr bar would you please re uh recite the open public meeting notice Tom you're muted be quite the notice if I was muted throughout okay adequate notice of this meeting has been provided as required under chapter 231 pl1 1975 this meeting is being done through an online meeting platform in keeping with the guidelines that have been disseminated by the Department of Community Affairs the planning board has tried its best to comply with the open public meetings act there will be a public comment period for all attendees each member of the public shall have only one opportunity to speak during each public portion 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and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all I'm not hearing everyone is everyone able to hear okay okay mad chair since M Saunders is not present with us today um I'll swear in the board's planner you raise your right hand you swear the testimony you'll give before this board will be the whole truth so up you got I do thank you madam chair any changes to the agenda tonight Mr Barlo there are no changes to the agenda Madam chair thank you Mr ahamed has joined the meeting thank you um can I have a motion to pay the duly audited bills Madame chair Reverend Kenny make a motion to pay the bills do I have a second thank you roll call please mayor Waller yes councilwoman Cahill yes Miss corkran yes Reverend Kenny yes Mr Atkins yes yes Mr ahamed yes yes and Madam chair yes yes item number eight adoption of a resolution to memorialize action taken on January the 10th 2024 Madame Sher Reverend Kenya make a motion that to memorialize action taken on January 10th 2024 do I have a second cor second thank you roll call mayor Waller yes yes councilwoman Cahill yes Miss Corran yes yes Reverend Kenny yes Mr Atkins yes yes Mr ahammed yes yes and Madam chair yes yes item number nine adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of January 10th Madame Sher Reverend Kenny the adoption of amendment for January 10th 2024 thank you second please Doran cler and I'll second mayor Waller yes yes councilwoman K yes Miss corkran yes yes Reverend Kenny yes Mr Atkins yes yes Mr ahammed yes yes and Madam chair yes item number 10 discussion regarding the uh area in need of Redevelopment at foresight Redevelopment study for Block 372 lot 1.02 Madam chair this is a u a matter in order to retain foresight planning um to assist the planning board to determine um a preliminary investigation on lot 1.02 block 3702 um as an area in need of Redevelopment so this would just be to authorize foresight to prepare a plan for the planning board if the board has any questions does the board have any questions regarding this if not I'll take a motion to authorize Madame chair D corkin um I make the motion to authorize foresight planning to um amend their area in need study do I have a second Adam Sher Reverend Kenny I'll second thank you roll call please mayor Waller yes councilwoman kahill yes Miss corkran yes Reverend Kenny yes Mr Atkins yes yes Mr ahammed and Madam chair yes okay Mr yes I said sorry yes thank you thank you item number 11 21 PB 31 mm at H Lane Phase 2 LLC um Miss Arena elar you may proceed your interview appearance please can we hear Arena you're muted I know she was here before yeah oh there she is sorry I was trying to get get my camera on I was trying to get my sorry about that okay you're on I I apologize Irena algar from W Garten Law Firm on behalf of Eminem at hose Lane uh phase two um we're here for a GDP application um the property is 75.6 acres and it's located in your uh Town Center Zone um it requires us to come before the board for a GDP um and that's consistent with the ml which is section 45 of the ml um and just to explain a little bit about gdps for those who are not familiar with this type of application um it's a little different than a site plan application uh the GDP is merely conceptual in nature it gives us some flexibility um this enables us to proceed to you know full engineering for the project and present it at a later date with more spe specific specificity uh during our site plan application um according to the Township's ordinances the GDP is required before the applicant can proceed to site plan um so this is literally the first step in a much longer process um this project as some of you may know has been in the Township's housing element fair share plan since 2017 and um was recognized in the Township's 2017 final judgement of compliance as an inclusionary development and it's intended to satisfy the Township's thirdd round affordable housing obligation um we're proposing it's a, 101 units uh 122 of those are to be affordable um in compliance with that Judgment of comp of the of repose uh the township adopted uh the Town Center zoning specifically for uh in compliance with that judgment so the governing body here determines the intensity of this development and um Eminem had originally filed an application in 2021 uh for a GDP and site plan uh however shortly thereafter the township designated the site as an area in need of Redevelopment um we have tried have been trying to work out a Redevelopment plan for the past couple years um it hasn't been successful obviously but but it's been a long process and we would like to proceed with our project uh in accordance with the GDP and the Town Center zoning um before we proceed with full engineering uh you'll hear from our Witnesses uh that this GDP does comply with TC Zone requirements it's as of right there's no variances um the level of detail in our submission is consistent with the ML and the TC Zone requirements um we haven't received any letters from the professionals requesting additional information uh we we have received one review letter sorry from DNR um indicating that at least our storm water design is competent and sufficient for GDP purposes um in addition the TC's ordinance itself uh indicates that certain details are left to be determined at site plan um that's part of the reason we're we held off on doing a traffic impact study uh we don't have any architecturals here and we don't present any Landscaping uh definitive plans but we will during site plan um the TC Zone calls for a mixture of retail commercial and a mix of housing types um you're going to hear uh with regard to which types of housing we're we're proposing including stacked and row Town Town Homes uh multif family as well as single family homes so um without any further further Ado um well I I just want to tell you who we have here today to testify and that's we're going to have uh Ron allach he's the director of engineering and development for Eminem um he's going to walk through the nuts and bolts of the GDP with further detail um and then we're GNA have h a traffic engineer Matt seckler from Stonefield engineering who's going to provide testimony concerning uh the site's access U on-site circulation and parking um and then last but certainly not least uh Miss Christine Kone from Kone Consulting and she's going to walk through the GDP requirements as well as the TC Zone requirements so without further Ado if um I don't see Ron allach but I you probably see before I would right I see him you see him okay Mr allenbach if you could state your name spell your last name and give us your professional address address please sure again it's Ronald allenbach a l NB a that's 1260 Stelton Road pasaway New Jersey 08854 you raise your right hand you SAR the testimony give before this board will be the whole truth help you got I do you're witness Miss elar thank you um so Mr alach if you could walk through um the history of the project the history of the the site itself um and then you know proceed with regard to the GDP sure Laura um do I share a screen or do you guys you can share the screen run okay if you bear with me for one second Miss elar just any exhibits that we're going to put up on the screen we'll refer to the first one as A1 and if your witness can identify it and then we'll just keep going as they proceed okay understood so Ron if you could identify exhib exibit A1 sure um exhibit A1 is a overall aerial um photograph of the site in question uh as indicated on the aerial itself we have a 75.6 one1 Acre Site it basically starts off of Skyles wraps along the back along the residential neighbor neighborhood um comes back around the parking lot follows the road Main Road out to nightsbridge down nights Bridge around the NJ do detention Basin and then comes up hos Lane to Ericson drive and then follows Ericson drive back and then cuts across the parking lot around the tower and eventually Works its way back out to Skyles so the 75.6 one acres is primarily located in the rear this parking lot and this area over here great and um so next we're going to Mark A2 and if you could explain what that is sure um A2 is entitled concept rendering P scataway Town Center um with a date of February 9th 2024 um this is just a rendering of the GDP plan and as I indicated what I'll do is I'll start in the southern southwest corner of the site again which is located um in this corner here here uh in accordance with the Town Center Zone we are required to provide a minimum of 10 single family houses as a buffer between our development and the residential neighborhood uh to the West we are providing 20 single family dwellings it's important to notice that one of the concerns and requirements is that this does not have access into the mixed use development itself it has its own primary access off to the southern one of the other uh requirements is that we provide a pedest Tran path from the adjoining neighborhood into the development as well as a walkway that runs along the wetlands here and eventually Works its way back into the Town Center so that anybody in this residential neighborhood to the West uh to the South can access the site and get over into the mixed use or the retail portion of the site again starting off on the southern portion of it we have what's referred to as the rowtown houses these are twostory or two and a half story traditional tow houses uh garages these are lined up parallel with Skyles and then wrap around the parking lot there's 156 of these row style tow houses located in the southern quadrant as you work your way North through the site what's labeled here is number three uh these are the Stacked townhouse product the this is a three-story stack product again with garages and units on the first floor all the way up to the Third third floor there is 208 of these units um there's a clubhouse with amenities located over in the I guess the northwest corner of the site and then as you work your way through the site again number two again is listed here these are traditional Town Homes this makes up the portion of the 156 again these are the twostory product or two and a half story product located uh basically off this large parking lot here and butt up uh to the where we have the amenities and open space which I will go into later and then we get into the northeast corner of the site which is the the mixed use portion of the site in this site we have 100,9 square feet of commercial retail located in here they are located in these two buildings Standalone retail buildings they're located in this u-shape mixed use building which has residential above retail as well as these two buildings that flank the public Plaza again those are residential above retail the building located closest to hose Lane as well as night brri is a mixed juice building as well and then this building labeled as number four is a straight up residential apartment building um as part of the site plan itself or the GDP plan we have proposed several amenities located throughout the site as is board's aware um amenities um both passive and active are kind of fluid as you move through site plan process uh and even through the development these things are constantly changing as far as what the needs are of the proposed future residents for example um this site is containing three pickle ball courts and and again if the board's familiar years ago five years ago nobody knew what a pickle Court really was it seems to be What the residents are demanding um as well as we have several tot Lots we have a dog run we have an open space and more importantly we have this number eight which is 20,600 foot public Plaza and again that's a requirement of the TC Zone uh there will be a clubhouse located in either building five one of these two buildings here for the apartment section which is the piece up in here and then obviously I spoke about the clubhouse that's located in the northwest corner of the site there is access which Matt will'll go more into we have access connection at the circle of night fridge where the existing driveway comes out of the site access off Ericson Drive which is a existing signalized intersection as well as the single families off to the South and then a connection just behind the um utility company Building located off of Skyles here we have a connection to the site there so we have multiple access points throughout the site one of the concerns that the town raised was uh this straightaway here we introduced a roundabout as a traffic calming uh to slow people down as they come through there but again when we get further into uh site plan design and further into your professionals reviews I'm sure this plan is going to be tweaked several times before it actually gets to a point where it's you know uh a site plan approval if if I may um the existing Tower which is located here number seven that's an existing tower that will be converted to residential that will contain 194 units so as Miss elgard indicated in her opening there's 194 units located in the tower there is 97 units located uh in the balance of the property of which 122 will be affordable and 785 will be Market I think that really covers the the overall rendering itself and Ron if you can go into the density of the project itself and how we get to the bonus uh density and I think we're at 12 units to the acre at this point right that's correct as Miss elgard indicated that the Zone allows for eight units to the acre straight up density but it also has a provision for qualifying Main Street commercial if you provide 100,000 square feet of commercial uh you're entitled to a 12 unit to the acre density bonus 75.6 one acres equals 97.33 two units which is what we're proposing we're proposing 9 seven units uh to meet the ordinance for the density under what would be requalified commercial and allow us that B that bonus of 12 units to the acre Mr allenbach M Al if I can just interrupt for one sec I just had a quick question 122 affordable 785 Market grant that I wasn't great at math I think that's 907 I thought there was 1101 yes there is well there's 194 in the tower they don't get okay you just broke that down okay I got you and the 194 aren't part of the uh density calculation according to the ordinance so that's how we but but it is for a,1 but we get to 97 because of the bonuses so understood okay so it's 907 plus the tower correct okay no problem thank you you're welcome um Irene I'm not sure um so if you could just go into somewhat of the timing of the development um and whether we're going to be phasing or whether we plan on proceeding with the entire development well typically again once once we get through site plan approval we would phase it this is too big of a project to try to take undertake is one overall development um a detailed phasing plan would be part of our site plan submission to show exactly um you know because one of the struggles that you have when you do the phasing is making sure that the infrastructure uh can stand on its own if you will as you go through the different sections so you have to make sure utilities are in um storm water um management is in place and everything so it's a very detailed phasing plan that would would go in as part of the site plan approval to talk about when we're going to start the development and what comes first second third fourth uh as you move through the development and this different phases itself okay the one thing I will uh add just for the record is as I indicated before this wooded area here that's remaining um unchanged if you will we do have a current um njdop letter of interpretation for this area that outlines exactly where the wetlands are uh it's a 50 foot buffer associated with those Wetlands obviously anything we do in this area will be subject to njd permanent whether it's buffer averaging or GP permits for any discharge or disturbance in the wetlands uh and obviously that application would be made to the DP once we again get further down the line and get into full engineering drawings and we know exactly what those disturbances and discharge points are um as also just one other question with regard to The Pedestrian and Bikeway connection if you could just go over that briefly sure as part of the the T Zone it requires bikeways pedestrian access walkways and we have a series of both uh multi-use paths similar to what's existing on Hos lane today multi-use paths that run through the entire site there's sidewalks that run that connect the various neighborhoods to each other and run completely through I know it's tough to see on this uh area you can see the white lines that kind of go down in front of all the units that's the sidewalks that's adjacent to the street so there's a complete sidewalk Network that would get you from from the very southwest corner of the site to the very northeast corner of the site uh there's connections to get you through whether it be through a multipurpose path or whether it be through the sidewalk connections okay great thank you um I don't have any further questions if members of the board have any questions members of the board do you have any questions of Mr hour back hearing no one has any questions I'd like to open it to the public Miss Buckley would you okay let me let me Mr Al if you could unshare your screen oh sorry no problem sorry and and if I may ladies and gentlemen if you do have any questions let's try and focus them on Mr alen back's testimony if there's something related or something something you you want to hear from one of the other experts let's wait till they actually testify okay okay the first one is we're ready uh Jay B Madam chair I'm sorry before we open it to the public this is dwan cork may I just ask a couple of questions and Mr back my apologies um D I'm sorry did you did you speak as to where the location of the affordable housing units would be located in which particular buildings um I did not U go on to your point they will be located in the either the mixed use buildings or the Standalone apartment building in the north uh Northeast portion of the site not in the single families not in the town home units but they will be scattered amongst um several buildings they won't be all located within one building is that correct that's correct they will be distributed throughout the buildings um and then you may have mentioned this with regard to the number of club houses did you say that there would be a total of two as of right now that's what we anticipate um okay one located in the back for the uh the townhouse section and then one located in the North corner for the uh you know what I call the apartment section and one last question um I know you you briefly discussed the phasing of the project um is there currently a timing schedule in place um well again as I spoke about it's hard to put a schedule on this because obviously we have to you know if if we're successful here we have to move the site plans do the site plans we have to apply to um njd all outside agencies uh in the perfect world once we start um again we would have phasing where we'd start the commercial we do have a letter of intent from a major retailer for one of the buildings on the site itself so you know certainly start some of the commercial stuff uh probably start some of the apartments because at some point we need to bring start bring any affordables on depending on the scheduling for the the balance of the what I'll call the balance of the market units um so I could see where we'd start in the the north quadrant of the site itself at least partly and then maybe start something located towards the rear but you know D I will and I did speak about it earlier I mean obviously everything all depends on once we get engineering utilities storm water infrastructure all that stuff that needs to be put in um doesn't make sense to start from the left-and side if the right hand side needs to be built first and vice versa so we'll get more into details with that but it's Our intention to start probably in the mixed juuse there was a um project overall schedule submitted back in gosh December of 2021 is it fair to say that that's something that needs to be revised at this point in time um um is that the schedule that says the construction it's going to be complete within 5 years after we get all agency approvals is that the one it is okay so Ron is that fair to say that that's still consistent or yeah I would say it's consistent me really I want to say nothing's Chang a lot hasn't changed you know maybe some buildings moved around and some some you know tweaks in the concept plan but that that schedule the number of units the number of retail is consistent so I would say that's probably accurate okay thank you you're welcome I have a question are there any other recreational areas other than pickle plan for yes as I indicated Madam chair there's several areas that we have earmarked if you will for Tot Lots uh we have a large um open field we do have a dog run planned we do have the public the 20,000 foot public Plaza um there are areas throughout the site that are uh scheduled for uh Recreation both passive and active they'll be developed in detail for later that's correct okay thank you you're welcome hello Madam chair this is naika AB and the board planner may I ask a couple of questions you may go ahead Miss thank you thank you madam chair um Ron just couple of uh clarification points I want to make um so in terms of the dens it calculation um I believe the uh Zone permits you know regular density of eight dwelling units to the acre and the DAT the additional density of 12 dwelling units to the acre for the required square footage of qualifying commercial areas um as we calculate that uh by eight dwelling units to the acre you are allowed um forget the exact number but uh for the 12 dwelling units to the acre you are allowed say for the lack of better word around 303 additional units that comes out to about uh 100 ,900 square fet of commercial space based on what you've shown Us in the GDP is that the exact square footage that is being proposed that's correct thank you um in terms of the uh type of units uh would we be getting a bedroom distribution on uh what type of units and how many bedrooms are being proposed for each unit absolutely okay and that would be provided during the GDP or during plan no I'm sorry is that uh sorry Miss do you mean in terms of the affordables or do you mean in terms of the market rate with regards to the affordables it would probably be according to the uhak regulations so we can provide that yeah I I mean for the general complete uh because I believe that the GDP you need to know the number of units also um um you know do you have the bedroom distribution as to how many two bedrooms how many one bedrooms or um yeah we could we can certainly provide that to you m i don't have the number up top of my head but certainly as as board had indicated earlier um you know I can get that number for you okay um thank you and the um in terms of following up with Miss Cochran's question on uh the phasing um I believe one of the requirement itself in the TC Zone which permits a GDP plan is um requiring a phasing plan um I understand it is uh a GDP concept nature but um even with the ml requirement a phasing plan needs to be provided because um the general Outlook of a GDP is a general development over the course of couple of years so in order to know um you know how that development is to occur um over the course of time a phasing plan um is more or less a requirement of a GDP plan is that something that uh we can work with uh you know and get provided by you as we move along in this application yeah I defer to both Christine and Irene about what's allowed what's not allowed but um yeah yeah if I need to provide it we would be happy to provide that to you I I think I I guess where we stand it looks like that you know we're going to be able to provide it we need to do more of the engineering to be able to provide it in Earnest I think is really what um we're looking at because uh at this point we can say you know this phase is going to go first and you know obviously it's really hard to say because we need to continue with the the engineering part of it understood um in terms of the commercial um type of uses that are being proposed could you I know there is no exact you know what type of exact use but could you give board an idea of what type of commercial uses are you envisioning for this area yeah certainly and I can tell you what we've you know kind of talked about and again I will again preface it with obviously what's going on in the world world it's hard to determine what's going on with retailers U there's still a need is for what we call food and entertainment personal service you know the couple of commercial type uses that haven't been pushed out by the Amazon and and the home shopping networks of the world so personal service certainly you know and I always hate to give ideas because you know everybody if I say one thing somebody says we got 10 of those in town but you know personal service whether it be a nail salon a hair salon you know um a bagel store pizz areia those are types of neighborhood personal service stuff we are slating the two larger boxes um the one immediately on the corner of Ericson drive and and hos Lane as a pharmacy with a drive-thru what permitted the building immediately to the right of that would be a a small Market if you will or small Supermarket you know type of building again what's required by the uh the TC Zone and then the balance of the buildings that are part of the mixed juice they're typically your 60 to 70 foot depth type of retailer that's personal service it could be um you know again like I said a food entertainment which is is Big it could be some kind of other person service is what we envision there okay um to go back to your point uh just want to quickly clarify regarding the pharmacy um that may um happen on one of the larger boxes that you've indicated did you mention that it might be a drivethru that's correct right right um I I I will look into it a little further but I do not see that as a outright permitted uh Z it's listed separately in the Town Center Zone um it speaks later on you can look into it and we can provide the to it speaks later on where it says about the drive-throughs except for pharmacies and Banks is what I think it says I don't have it in front of me right now I think I read it those I can help I can help it's um so miss happy it's there is Pharmacy and drug stores are permitted under the qualifying uh M commercial uses it's uh what is it section 21- 32.2 to F7 to be exact and then under accessory uses beneath that it says um under six drive-through facilities for banks pharmacies and drugstores are permitted it does say your prohibited uses drive-through facilities except as permitted for banks and pharmacies as well thank you thanks for that um and that's the only type of use that is contemplated with the drive-thru that's correct okay thank you you're welcome thank you madam chair Madam chair I I do apologize um because now that U Miss API has asked some questions it's prompted some for me so if if if I may Madame chair um I havek thank you very much I appreciate that um so I guess this uh question can be um of uh Mr alach or if the attorney wants to answer um so the question that was posed by um Miss API about the the bedroom distribution one to two bedrooms and you know it's still a little questionable as to um you know if you'll provide it during the GDP or if you will when you will but I guess my question is then is if it's not provided and it's and we wait for the site plan this board is going to have input on to that um so I guess I'm asking can that can we confirm tonight that the bedroom distribution uh uh plan will be provided during this process before the site plan um and also I guess my second question was in terms of uh the commercial locations and the plan as it laid is laid out now um you know I'm gonna have concerns and um I don't know if Miss corkran or attorney wants to answer this but you know there during those public sessions right I think there was two two moments when um the public was invited to come look at the plans at the YMCA um you know I think I had spoken to um perhaps you um uh Mr alach and some others about the concern we have for uh the the the look of um what that campus will be in its finality um um as compared to what it looks like now right we have sort of this cor more corporate campus we understand this is going to become mixed retail and residential but we're also still here very concerned or at least I am and I think probably a lot of folks here is with the the frontage of that retail space I have voiced this concern before and it is something I will not waver on is that we're not going to be full front retail out in your face with signage just not I will definitely be standing on this firmly so I need to understand with the plan that's laid out here what is the plan for um changes and interpretations of what that's going to look like um and if I just can point out a few things uh with regard to the TC Zone ordinance itself um and I can appreciate the concerns and I can appreciate the questions and um just with regard to gdps versus site plans um The Zone itself the the ordinance itself provides that we will provide architecturals but that's during the site plan so the look and the feel um of it is not something that's uh relevant for the GDP purposes um same thing with the bedroom distribution with regard to the market rate um that's something that you know it's part of site plan it's not part of the GDP itself um and you know to the extent that the town may have some input into market rate uh bedroom distributions I'm not sure how much input the town can have because just under Kaa um that's something that's really up to the developer in terms of an inclusionary development in terms of how many uh three bedroom two bedroom in terms of the market rate is that um if I if I might um Miss Elgar is that how you pronounce your yeah hi so um does that also pertain to um the location of the um affordable housing um I think somewhere along the way we had seen some sort of suggestion that they were all going to be located in perhaps one building which well that's not what we're proposing I'm not sure where that has come from I I don't know that that was ever suggested but I'm not sure yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry Mr just just to clarification the the prior GDP plan I believe and I don't have it in front of me prior GDP plan had 100% affordable buildings over a long nights Bridge which obviously was an issue at the township bought to pretention which I don't know if I can't speak from Miss cork is that that's why she bought it up but it was something that was mentioned a few years ago which is why we testified tonight to they would be um dispersed throughout um those five or six buildings in a Northern quadrant okay thank you thank you for the clarification and a lot of that too is also for our residents to understand what this process is versus a site plan and I I appreciate the questions because definitely it clarifies it for everybody any other questions from the board um Miss Buckley would you uh check with the public I'd like to open this portion again to the public anyone wishing to question Mr alen back uh regarding his testimony um would you raise your hand and please let it be seen that you will have a question okay J B Miss Buckley do you see any signs from from the J B can she hear me I think Laura you're muted yes that Missy can you hear me okay Miss Buckley I was trying to open okay did anyone has any question she still muted yes I'd like to all right thank you Miss Smith just bear with us one second we're trying to get our all right we're trying to get Miss Buckley uh so we can hear her hold on looks like she's moving locations I know there are several people Mr B Mr Kelly all right and Miss Smith can you hear I just want to wait till we have La she has can you hear me okay can anyone hear me no Mr Kelly also can you hear me now yes yes the microphones aren't working in the other room again I do apologize uh the first one we had on was J valy yes yes state your name and this goes for everybody state your name spell your last name give us your address and then I'll swear you in yes is J Bali 22 Matthew Cod pascar and anything else you said two things right okay if you raise your right hand you swear the testimony I give before this board will be the whole truth yes I do okay do you have any questions for Mr allenbach yes I do um so this whole uh whole process is is very dense um and the and the so I would like I would be interested in seeing or in under and his views on the traffic that he'll put on the on on hose Lane that is the route eating extension I've been here in piscatway for the last 27 years I don't know how many of people over here on this call actually live in piscatway around around this place uh I'm three minutes drive from this place this was a blue ribbon school when I came to piscatway I I'm in a community of about 25 homes and along along close to that is Society Hill which is about 400 homes and of all the people in my neighborhood everybody's concerned about the traffic pattern that will bring on this on Hos Lane uh it is uh it used to take me about two minutes uh to go from you know moris Avenue and to the end of Centennial now it's it could take me upwards of you know five seven eight minutes now uh so with all these 1100 folks coming in uh it's going to be a lot more traffic also the school district there's all those schools over there where everybody goes so I'd like to hear from him what is what is the how many how many feeder roads will come into hos Lane and his opinion on that thank you madam chair um if I if I just may for a momenta um we're going to have a traffic engineer that's going to be testifying Matt seckler after um Mr allenbach so I don't know if that's probably more appropriate for him him to answer in terms of the uh the traffic um in terms of the school I mean that's just uh that's part of the zoning that is in place right now so so so are you proposing I I I'll wait for my answer for the the traffic thing but are you proposing more schools in pascar man more schools yeah most because when I when I came here it was about 13 students to one school then went to 16 and now it's around 23 and now in some classes going to be 26 so with one high school couple of elementary schools and all these the 2200 kids obviously will go in different different schools so I don't think our school system can take so much load especially with you know I I have I have two kids I've got one passed out from here and then I have two more kids in the school system one is in the seventh grade one is in the fourth grade the seventh grade I keep on hearing that is you know it's too packed in a school so with this 1100 kids what is your proposal man it's really up to the town to figure that out in terms of the school children um we're g to be coming in and you know we're going to be paying our taxes or at least the people that are going to be living there will be paying their taxes so but how that is accomplished that's up to the the township and so who can speak from the I was just going to say though Miss Elbert if you look at njsa 40 colon 55 D- 45.2 J um your general development plan could can include a physical report describing the anticipated Demand on Municipal services and school districts so right that would be the fiscal impact yeah we would be presenting during the site plan you can also present it towards the general development plan under the statute and Thomas well it's not required I guess is no no you're you're certainly right there are certain things that are required and then there's a through L which can be included but not limited to so I that would be something that might address some of the residents concerns understood and we don't want to go down this Lane to only to figure out lat on that hey we made a big blunder and suddenly you know our schools have you know 2,000 3,000 more kids coming in with no plans so we would appreciate ma'am and if you would like some signatures from people I I can have about you know 500 signatures for you for people who are really interested in answering that question thank you Mr B D did you have a question I was just gonna say arena there was a fiscal impact analysis submitted when the GT GDP was submitted um for review that was prepared by Richard reading it was dated April 24 2021 is that something that will also be revised and resubmitted back to the township for review um it depends I think that that was submitted also because we had come in not only just for GDP at that point we came in for site plan um so now we're just revising based on some comments that we've received during the process in the past couple years so we're just coming in for the GDP at this point and it the fiscal impact statement might still true I just I haven't reviewed it recently so is it something that your you know your team's going to take a look at is it something that you can come back to the board and say you know it is accurate or come back is it something you're willing to take a look at to address the board's concerns the gentleman that's just spoke um well it it's certainly we we would be fine if you wanted to make it a condition of the GDP approval um we would definitely come back back with a fisal impact statement Mr is Mr Kelly up next Laura what happened to me I'm sorry hands were raised first so William Kelly Mr Kelly was yes you guys not to cut you off I apologize if you're on a computer you have to raise your hand we can't just start yelling out I'm next I'm next raise your hand as the hands come up in order I will call on your name and then you have permission to speak thank you Mr Kelly if you could give us uh state your name spell your last name and give us your address please sir yes sir this is uh William Kelly k l l y 99 Seymour so I am in Piscataway correct yes you raise your right hand you swear the testimony you give before this board will be the whole truth I do okay your question question or comment sir for Mr alen mainly I have well whoever can answer but the only one that we're asking questions of is Mr alen back based on his testimony if okay uh so mainly my question is about the A2 area I think he called it the A2 which was uh the single family homes okay all right so I live right behind there and um you know the road on this kind of looks like it runs through the parking lot of the River Crest Cabana Club is is that correct is a parking lot there now today correct the extension of that um Road into that neighborhood still needs to be worked out with the township of the exact location all right but according to this it looks like it would run through their parking lot I don't know if they had discussions with them yet and then it would run down uh what is that uh di Avenue River Crest River Crest where and right around that corner is um is kakac Middle School about 50 yards Beyond where that road stops on your map correct okay so according to this those homes it appears like they don't connect with the rest of this community they don't um when you say the rest of this community I assume you're talking about our proposal yes yeah there's a requirement uh in the zoning that the single family kind of be Standalone they do not connect into the overall development that they're kind of a separate uh little little development if you will because it's only 20 single family houses but it's a requirement that they are not connected in and and my understanding and I don't want to speak for the township but one of the concerns um they had with with having no single families back in there is the buffer only 20 of them but they were not to be connected into the U multif family development and mixed juice development okay but I mean this is like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't because those folks would not be able to drive into this community um you know I'm just concerned that maybe that that road would connect up with Skyles at some point in a roundabout way it will well I'm I'm looking at the mayor's face well I just for the record Mr Barlo there is a Township 50 W 50 foot wide paper Street out there and the swim club doesn't own that it is a Township paper street thank you mayor okay well that that's you you answered my other questions earlier so I I appreciate you were pretty thorough at this point thank you okay thank you Miss Bley is there another um resident who wants to speak yes we have Stanley and Eileen Smith hello name is Eileen Smith Eileen Smith SMI th I live at 1 193 Hillside Avenue in Piscataway we've been a resident here just wait wait one second Miss Smith Hillside Avenue you raise your right hand you swear the testimony you get before this board will be the whole truth I do what is your question or comment man okay uh first Mr allenbach he um I guess he answered my question my main concern was where the the um housing will be on the cue saac that it runs right into Hillside Avenue but I believe he has listed that as a walkway to into Hillside Avenue and I guess my concern is that it'll never be a open road a back entrance if you would to this Housing Development it doesn't look like it now but I would hope for the future that would not happen and my other concern is the schools itself Hillside is U right there for no wood elementary school and as the other gentleman uh said there's kakac and Martin Luther King so yes the traffic in that housing development that we all live in back here would be a concern for all these other cars plus the number of students that may come into our Township and raise our taxes which of course are skyh high as it is so just hoping that that would not happen I know you can't give a guarantee but I would just like to put it on record that I would hope that it would not increase the need for additional schools and more students in the classrooms and raise the people uh taxes okay M Smith I know you asked a couple different U questions SL statements there um traffic school kids not me um but I will try to answer your your concern about access to Hillside and again as as the township has requested of us and and the Zone requires it you're correct we are showing a multi-use path that connects there that connection that went from Hillside into the culdesac uh is a 20 foot wide emergency access only and that was something again that the township wanted us to provide so that in the event that emergency vehicles need to get in there uh they can get in there from Hillside so it's not Our intention to put a roadway through there I don't believe I can't speak for the town but I don't believe they would ever allow that connection um but we are showing that emergency access only at the end of that culdesac into Hillside okay that's good and I think that's it for me thank you thank very much thank you Miss Smith do we have another um question from the public Miss Buckley um no one else is raising their hands would anybody else have a question or comment okay then close to the public for Mr aden's testimony thank you very much thank you miss elgard you may proceed with the next witness sure um the next witness I'd like to call is Matt seckler good evening Mr seckler uh you're muted Oh no you're not never mind um if you could state your name spell your last name and give us your professional address please mat Matt you're muted he is muted yeah I don't I don't know if he's here can hear me um Mr seckler if you can hear me Wade oh he's coming back on he's signing on on a second one okay his screen froze that's why he's not waiting test test testest Mr Seer my name is Matthew that's s that's not going to work unfortunately you're you're you're lagging too much Mr R I'm with Stonefield engineering can you hear me no now he's gone okay hold on all right she's GNA get him excuse me Mr Baro I just spoke to Matt he's currently moving his location um to see if we can get a better a reception you just stand by for one minute maybe he can call in to at least so we can hear him better says he's rejoining I don't know if Laura has to let him in or I say he has to let him in you I think so I hear you can you hear a little better not much no you're you're lagging hello let me try to do it without my video hold on okay this any better that sounded clear actually okay all right we'll try again can you state your name spell your last name and give us your professional address certainly my name is Matthew seckler that's SEC kle r with Stonefield engineering design address is 92 Park Avenue in Rutherford New Jersey ra your right hand you where the testimony get before this board will be the whole truth yes you're a witness yes I do thank you um so Mr seckler if you could go through um in particular the circulation and access um and if you need an exhibit or anything just let us know um maybe Ron can share his screen and and pull up the circulation plan if you'd like whatever you need yeah sure certainly and Iran if you just want to throw up the general plan so that miss you want to qualify him first oh oh I'm so sorry um Mr seckler if you could State your your credentials for the record certainly I have a Bachelor of Science in civil engineering from Union College in skenk New York I have a master's in City Regional planning from Ruckers University I am a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey and recognized professional traffic operations engineer by The Institute of Transportation Engineers accepted before over 150 boards in the state of New Jersey as traffic engineer uh thank you um thank you Mr you may you may proceed thank you um so the the general development plan the uh is on the screen now Matt don't know if you see it thank you yep I see it perfectly okay certainly and uh again as part of this project from a traffic engineering perspective one of the first things we look at is the general roadway networ Network around the site um this is a a development where again other than the uh single family homes that were just discussed by members of the public uh you know the access mainly leads uh everyone into and out of the site generally from hose Lane hose Lane obviously has easy access through 287 to the North and then access through New Brunswick or into New Brunswick and then uh towards exit 9 to the turnpike if you head towards the south on hose Lane um the way the site has been designed and you heard from Mr albach and his testimony uh that there is really minimal to no uh kind of cut through traffic or accessibility through any of the nearby uh I would say local streets uh to get to those i' would say primary roads those arterial roadways which carry majority of commuter traffic which uh being uh this development being a mixed use development uh most of the traffic coming in and out of a site like this would be um you know people leaving in the morning going to work people returning in the afternoon coming from work and then obviously uh your kind of day-to-day uh shopping needs um but again from a engineering perspective traffic engineering perspective uh we did take a look at this from um accessibility standpoint as indicated within the GDP and in compliant with that um the access points to this development maintains uh what is out there today and again is consistent with the GDP language that includes uh the one signalized intersection along hose Lane uh that will remain as is we also have uh a access point via night Bridge uh nights bridge at the roundabout that feeds uh basically uh access uh through the it's a northern area of the uh Northern access point of the site and then we have the access point on Skyles Road um also uh to a to a set of the residential uh development um to the southern portions of the site um so so overall again the access to the site uh you know to the GDP area will remain as is uh in similar to the existing condition and that is consistent with what is located within the GDP um as of today we received a letter from the New Jersey Department of Transportation uh they have found that this uh development will not require a new access permit and they believe that this will not create a signif significant negative impact in terms of the trips generated from this site obviously there is a change in traffic levels as is with any uh level of development but Department of Transportation uh I believe based on you know the where the way that this site accesses the State Highway uh believes that the traffic signals that are U basically providing access uh to and from the site uh to to and from nightsbridge uh the main Ericson Drive driveway and then Skyles all um is such that it could support the level of traffic that we'd be generating that said consistent with the GDP um um uh requirements or I guess the requirements laid out within the GDP plan we would be required to provide a detailed traffic impact study uh to be submitted with the preliminary site plan so while there is not a I would say detailed traffic study that's been prepared at this point and submitted uh we would be compliant with the GDP plan again which requires that to be submitted with the prelim preliminary site plan application package but we did review the site plan as it relates to the on-site access the drive aisles the accessibility within the site itself as Mr albach highlighted and this is um in compliance with the GDP plan uh the development plan is meant to uh promote uh kind of multimodal Transportation you heard um the uh connections that are being provided via kind of bike paths bike Lanes multi-use path connections connecting the site to and from hose Lane additionally internal to the site itself when you build a mixed use development one of the benefits is the um the ability for vehicles to have what's called internal trips meaning that you do not need to drive on public roads to run your nor normal errands so you could let's say live in one of these buildings uh go to one of those kind of neighborhood retail uh spaces that Mr albach you know spoke about whether it's a pharmacy or Pizzeria or a nail salon without having to burden the public roadway network uh same thing if you end up having to work in the um you know the the office portion uh uh of this area again you wouldn't need to be able to drive onto public roads to utilize that so building a mix use development does um you know uh provide benefits in terms of uh allowing for people to live their day-to-day lives without necessarily driving on public roads we've also designed the site internally to support encourage pedestrian activity um um the uh site is uh full of features that would be considered traffic coming to help uh prevent speeding through the site cut through traffic through the site um and to be pedestrian friendly this includes we do have a roundabout on site located uh just um just off the corner of the tower again that um will help slow down traffic speeds within the residential portions development additionally uh all the radii uh and drive aisle widths and roadway internal roadway widths are designed compliant with industry standards and are such that they do not encourage uh again highspeed turns um and uh allow for better visibility for pedestrians crossing the street um in addition in addition obviously having the connectivities um to nearby areas via these public paths whether it's uh if there are school children being generated from this type of development they do have the ability to let's say walk to the nearby elementary school walk to the high school across um hos on the bridge you know so there is the ability for you know residents of this building to um not only um you know not need their car on site but also not necessarily need to drive to everything immediately off site of this development as well um so overall from a you know um development standpoint from a GDP review standpoint from a traffic engineering perspective again we believe that the um design of the site um is appropriate and it is consist consistent with industry standards uh we believe that the site uh has been the physical design of the site uh does uh provide for um positive control over vehicular and pedestrian traffic meaning that it's designed for um safe and efficient conditions and as Department of Transportation has issued their letter uh we agree that this will not have a um unreasonably adverse impact in terms of traffic impact we agree that you know further traffic impact studies as the site plans uh um are prepared would obviously be necessary in order to be consistent with the GTP plan thank you um and if you could also go through the parking and whether we comply with the uh Town Center ordinance standards uh with regard of the residential and the non-residential appreciate that yes absolutely uh and as it relates to the parking on the site um the site is compliant with the parking standards the residential aspects of the site are governed by the rsis or the residential site Improvement standards that is a state um basically a state regulation or state formulas uh that um uh provide what parking is required for each different type of residential use for instance the residential um let's say Apartments within the tower have a different parking calculation uh compared to the single family uh uses uh in the rear of the site or even the town houses that are located on the site as well so each uh type of housing stock has its own uh calculated uh residential site Improvement standard number and we are compliant with that the non-residential aspects of the site um the retail portions they are compliant with the um with with the um Piscataway zoning ordinance uh which is what is required as part of the GDP plan so we are compliant in terms of the number of parking spaces overall for all the uses on the site in addition we also are providing the requisite number of EV parking spaces so that is kind of the third parking requirement that is is out there so we are compliant with the number of EV spaces number of residential parking spaces and number of non-residential parking spaces on the property okay excellent thank you um I don't have any further questions um so I will turn you over to the board um if they have any questions Madam chair I just want to jump in about U Mr sackler's comment about the EV charging station I want to make sure uh that they are actually in operation not stubbed out because we've noticed around the state uh because of the state law uh that superseded a lot of the municipalities that developers are using that as a crutch not to installed EV station so just stubbing it out and leave it as is again I I know the state regulation requires onethird of the EV spaces to be uh operational the day that a CO is issued with them basically getting another oneir three years after that and another onethird three years after that um but again obviously um you know uh you know the applicant obviously uh you know will also follow the market if all of a sudden there's need for you know half or all of the EV spaces to be constructed and operational day one because of you know when this gets built EV uh vehicles are you know have higher you know um um uh marketability then you I imagine that more would be constructed than the minimal one stop right there that's a nonstarter for me you're gonna have to construct them all I'm just gonna leave it at that okay Madam chair if I may I just had a couple of questions go ahead um Mr Barlo thank you Mr seckler the do letter that you're referencing that you received today obviously you'll you'll provide a copy of that to the for their review we literally just got it you know midday understood the township staff will want to review that of course the other question I have Mr seckler is for the do to respond it sounds like did you conduct counts uh did you go out there and and perform circulation traffic counts for the area so for the do aspect what they look at is they look at um I would say book values of trip generation for what this site used to generate in terms of traffic and then what is projected to be generated in terms of traffic from this site not necessarily the roadway volumes themselves um that said our office has you know done work uh in the Piscataway area we have conducted counts um you know in September of 2021 so we also have you know kind of background volumes that you know exist in the general area but the Department of Transportation what they look at is is typically how much is being generated being thrown onto the state highway versus what they already have on their State Highway in terms of the uh letter that we received oh okay so that's dealing with the state highway not the impact on the local roads so just to be clear did did you conduct counts because the board's um traffic expert Miss Dolan is going to want to review anything or any accounts that were conducted obviously ly to to make sure that the numbers that you're utilizing you know pass her muster well the state highway we're is Route 18 so it's right on Prim I'm sorry right I mean that's what we're talking about Matt yes hosan is under State jurisdiction there okay um so if you have any data obviously miss doolan's going to want to review it that's all I have at this time is SM understood thank you members of the board do you have any other questions Madam shair if I may it's councilman yeah so just getting back to um the trip Generations um uh Mr seckler you mentioned you know uh what was previously generated versus what's anticipated but how far back are we looking because I know this site has uh you know changed in terms of uh occupancy meaning the amount employees way back I correct me if I'm wrong somebody here on the board may know at one time this was fully occupied with I don't know 3,000 to or more employees so I'm just wondering what is the length and breadth of the review back um as compared to Future trip Generations yeah so what the Department of Transportation that's what we had um I'd say done this type of comparison for was for the Department of Transportation what they look back is they look to see what could be generated by the buildings on the site not necessarily you know in 2024 what the traffic was being generated by the buildings on the site but generally based on I believe it's like 8 891 th000 square feet or so of office space that was on the site what trip generation is generated by that and just so you're aware the number of trips in a peak hour from the buildings on the site that the do would accept would be about U about 1100 vehicle trips in an hour is what the do assumes that site generated obviously in its Heyday it may have generated even more than that as you said 3,000 employees maybe generated 1500 or 2,000 trips in a peak hour um but what the dot is looking at is pretty previously based on that square footage that this would be a site that generates around 1100 uh uh trips in an hour and um and you and I apologize we're gonna beat this like a dead horse you have done that yet you're going to do that in did you already mention how many trips per hour because for some reason I don't recall hearing that no go ahead Matt no no you go Irena you you answer no I was just going to say we're going to submit the the the traffic impact study itself um when we do our but but at the same time I don't know that Matt testified to anything you know what's being generated I think what he was talking about was the fact that the do had used data that they had um and and based on that I think that's what you said Matt I mean I don't know you you can clarify it but that's what it sounded like to me it didn't sound like or you know if you did any trip counts yeah so so what the dot does is they basically have a a book of formulas so we provide them the information that says what was previously on this site was an office complex that had you know 191,000 square feet of of buildings and the future use will have you know x amount of office building why amount of multif family housing and this amount of retail we give them basically what the what the proposed uses will be on the site um for example for this use the the do calculations show that the trip generation the morning from going to let's say 1100 trips an hour which is what was in a site previously uh being generated goes to about 1300 trips in an hour so about 200 new trips with the addition of you know all this multif family that's that you know and and Retail being put on the side so again this is the type of valuation dot looks at the other thing they look at is you know the access points of the site you know they are at signalize intersections there are multiple access points where you could get onto hose Lane you basically from this site you'll have three different signals although only one of them is direct you know at Ericson drive would be the only one that's direct to the state highway but obviously from nightsbridge or from Skyles you could also get you know um to to to hose Lane so dot looks at that and their evaluations when they determined that the the roadway could support um this type of trip generation okay so Mr seckler just to be clear you're stating that the do uh did look at this and based upon the previous use it was 1100 trips in one hour but you just mentioned that based upon the plan the do I don't know estimated plan or are saying something to the effect of 1300 per hour I mean what is that statement there just to be clear so in the morning peak hour what was provided to the dot is the previous site generated about 1100 trips an hour in the morning the proposed development will generate about 1300 trips an hour okay so do looks at those type of pieces when they evaluate okay that's that's strictly based upon a formula not by observation because there's nothing built there yet right correct yes yep so uh one other question I have um uh with regard to the parking um I correct me if I'm wrong but the parking lot at hos Lane and Erikson Drive uh opposite of the retail spot you know the the P4 blue section there that is what the existing looks like or is that changed up some so you're asking if the parking lot that's kind of south of Ericson Drive is going to stay as is is that what the question is yeah um yes it's basically gonna stay as is correct that's not part of this GDP though right just correct clear okay correct I just you know I'm seen at and and that may change potentially but um all right I think that's all I have for uh questions thank you any other questions from the board um Madam chair this is M yes go ahead Sorry Miss go right ahead all right thank you thank you madam chair uh Mr sea I do have couple of questions um now as as we look at GDP and as for the municipal land use law one of the items as as uh stated is a circulation plan should be provided Ed that shows the General locations um and types of Transportation facilities uh pedestrian access um and uh basically provides um a um General any proposed improvements to not only the site but any of the surrounding area that it would need now we did hear tonight that uh you know the um the review was done along hos Lane which is state 18 and uh it was if I hear if I heard it correctly that there's um couple of signalized intersections there and dop said that there's no uh requirement for anything additional but uh was the similar study done for anything on the surrounding uh roadways such as Skyes Avenue nights f Road and the impact on those areas uh as for because of this development no at this point again what we've looked at was the department of transportation's kind of review and again we obviously as part of the GDP are required to provide detailed traffic impact studies as part of the preliminary preliminary site plan obviously that could um you know uh indicate uh capacity levels at other offsite intersections I would say that I believe Mr omach has provided um and his office has provided um you know a plan that did show circulation routes primary and secondary vehicular routes along with connections uh that are kind of bike and pedestrian connections uh to the nearby street so I think that was um what was provided in terms of that circulation plan element yeah there's a general circulation plan it's a cp-1 I don't know if sorry Mard yeah we we see that but that's basically circulation on site uh what I'm trying to get at is when the GDP has to be reviewed um it looks at not only impact primary impact on the site but also any of the surrounding areas that it would impact so um in terms of we heard about you know this strip generation and its impact being studied on Hos Lane I was just curious to see if um any impacts on the secondary roads around that that was studied to again understand uh when it's a general development plan what impacts would it have on the surrounding area um the second question as we've heard um tonight uh that this being the property it is and the type of development that's being proposed it most probably would be a phased development um in terms of that uh would you say uh in terms of uh traffic impact or review um how uh you know that would impact in trip generations and so on and so forth because we don't know the phasing yet but in terms of uh how uh you know the primary accesses or secondary accesses would change based on that phasing would that something be uh you know your team be able to provide as we heard a phasing plan would be developed uh because it's part of the zoning ordinance requirement is that something that the uh traffic in relation to that phasing study can can be discussed or provided yeah I believe that could be uh discussed and provided as part of a phasing plan the other benefit is again that all of these access points exist today so it's not like we're waiting on an access point to be constructed or a new DOT traffic light to be built in order to accommodate a c certain phase of the development you know thankfully all of these access points generally exist um in the current state but again obviously we we could uh provide um that information as part of the the phasing plan thank you um thank you for making that point because that did bring up the next point I had was the the all the connections like you said exist as of today um but if we do not have an overall uh you know impact um study how would we uh or how would uh the town know any kind of off track improvements that may or may not be required um as part of this development is that and again I think one of the benefits of of this de development location is where the vehicles would be kind of accessing the higher level roadways you know if a vehicle is going out via Skyles Avenue they're basically you know on a fairly short Dead End Road with limited um you know other uses and come right to Skyles Avenue and then basically they're right back on to Route 18 hose Lane um obviously night bridge if they come out that direction yes they do have the opportunity to go towards uh 18 uh H lane or to centeno Avenue and Route 287 in that way but again I would say it's a pretty um limited portion that they would be on you know any other I would say local road to get to the interstate highway or state highway system um in uh as opposed to you know maybe other developments that would be going through a lot of local roads County Roads um things of that nature uh but again obviously we have committed as part of the GDP requirements to provide that traffic impact study with the preliminary site plan um which again was was spelled out within the GDP GDP documents and I think that the traffic impact study I'm just looking at the um the Town Center requirements is that the ti shall also examine traffic impacts associated with the development upon the local Street system and critical impact intersection locations and that's the detailed traffic uh impact study that shall submitted with a preliminary site plan application yeah um understood about that but I think the same ordinance also does talk about under 21 32.4 um talks about the GDP application shall include uh location number and type of all residential non-residential users describe the phasing of the development together with any onsite and of track improvements needed to support such phasing so I think uh that's what I was trying to get at if we don't know um what of track improvements would be needed um I think all that would have to be kind of you know at least preliminary be decided during the GDP and that's where I think the phasing would come in as to what comes before and what comes after would be you know something that the board and the township decides as to you know in level of um um priorities um sorry may I continue I have couple of more questions uh Mr sea one um couple of other things as you understand town uh Town Center um you know the intent of the Town Center is as the name suggest to be considered as a uh uh you know pedestrian friendly uh bike Friendly Center uh for Township of piscat um the way you see uh this GDP layout uh the the roadway or the networks that have been designed uh along this entire development um um and as the GDP suggest um you know roadways should have a dedicated bike Lan as well as uh cross access and pedestrian access do you think these um roadways as designs would be able to accommodate these kind of uh features yeah I I do believe the site has been designed uh the interior of the site's designed uh to promote you know that pedestrian or multimodal connectivity uh as I mentioned in my testimony I believe that the way that the even the interior blocks are designed you know these are not what I would call you know um New York City Super blocks in terms of length you know they encourage you know CEST pedestrian activity they encourage you know people you know crossing streets um you know we have you know I would say a little bit you know some some nice tight radi so Vehicles aren't making turns at high speeds were one of the things that I mentioned so I do believe that the site does have internal uh site design that promotes you know kind of that town uh you know Center feel and then also I think just as important is the connectivity um you know that kind of connects Route 18 hose Lane and that bike uh path to even the neighborhood uh behind you know Hillside Avenue and that connection as well I think that you know providing you know accessibility through our site so that it's not just our residents uh or our you know um users that that could benefit from but also the neighborhood at large okay and that holds through for the U 20,000 Square ft of town center which is kind of placed uh a little bit more to the northeastern portion of this entire site yes I believe it does okay um I think Madame chair that those are the questions I have for now thank you thank you Miss API um any other members of the board have questions of Mr of this witness Miss Buckley um I'm all right members of the public I'm going to open to the public for questions from the public would you check and see if anyone has any questions of this witness yes Madam chair Jay Bali Mr Bali just before you say anything I just miss Buckley I think the record should reflect that Mr Foster uh is present and I I didn't write about what time did Mr Foster get he's been here for a little while now I I have markdown at 8 o'clock okay yes that's pretty much just so the record reflects um obviously if Mr Foster is going to participate in any vote down the road he'll have to review the transcript but just so the record indicates thing all right M Mr Bali you're back up yes do I need to SP in again no you understand though you're still under oath and I presume you still live at 22 Matthew Court you haven't moved yes sir yes sir thank you what do what question or comment do you have for Mr seckler the uh the traffic expert yeah uh thank you Mr zler uh uh for presenting your uh your you know thoughts I think it was a very Rosy picture uh I've been here for a very long long time I have seen that road having a lot of you know small vehicles to having trucks I was on the road about five minutes back and there were six big trucks the tractor trailers on the uh from hose Lane to Sentinel Avenue lot of times if you just visit that during the daytime there there is a lot of traffic so even the YMCA has got about 250 cars all time of the day so building this 300 vehicles on that road during the morning times especially when everybody within a 2 kilometer radius of any school public school in piscar need to drop off their kids is is a big concern right 1100 Vehicles is probably a 2hour traffic on on those roads today so going back to I think somebody asked a question have you done a proper study or you know not not so drought 18 I remember 20177 2018 something like that they used there was a strip down the road which was measuring the traffic that is going on those roads I haven't seen that probably for the past five seven years so before I know it's it's an initial phase over here but before you you know the or especially if the the township decides that we need to have somebody protecting our interest we should we should probably uh sponsor someone from the township side or from the resident side to put a put a you know air air whatever that Mark air you know pipe there to measure the traffic on on those roads I think it's imperative rather than you know us being theoretical we need to have proper evidence on the on the traffic pattern that is happening on those those roads and you know I know uh the the state sits somewhere in Trenton you sit somewhere else but I'm I'm to deal with all this locally so so those are my comments sir thank you thank you uh Mr B any other members of the public that wish to ask a question no one's raising their hand Madam chair thank you seeing no uh response I'll close to the public do you have another witness I I do um like to call Christine phone good evening for the record Christine isoone can everybody hear me okay yes clear for purpose for the court reporter if you could spell your last name and give us your professional address of course H it's Christine with a c h r i s t i n e nazaro is n a zz a r o Kone is c f NE business address is 125 Half m Road Sweet 200 Redbank New Jersey 07701 I'm testifying this evening as a licensed professional planner I've been testifying as such wait wait wait let me just swear in you raise your right hand you swear the testimony get before this board will be the whole truth yes your witness Miss elar thank you Miss cfone can you state your qualifications and educational background for the record yes uh good evening I'm a licensed professional planner in the state of New Jersey uh licensed by exam I have a master's degree in city and Regional planning from Ruck University I have been qualified as an expert witness in planning uh over the course of the past 28 years by well over 400 or so planning and zoning boards throughout New Jersey I have been qualified in Piscataway before both the Planning and Zoning Board I teach Planning and Zoning courses for the Ruckers Center for government services I am a court appointed affordable housing special master in several dozen communities um and my licenses are current in valid thank you she may uh testify as a expert in the field of plan thank you uh so miss cfone you heard the testimony so far um and you also are familiar with the uh GDP Statute in the ml correct yes I am familiar with the TC zoning standards in Piscataway as well as the the municipal land use law requirements for a GDP General development plan and if you could go through um under the mlu out with regard to the GDP and the testimo that you heard um what is your opinion professionally speaking in terms of whether we qualify and have met the standards required for uh the GDP of course the municipal lands law has both required and optional components that go into a GDP and I believe that the applicant is compliant with not only the municipal anusar requirements for GDP but also the highlevel requirements in the TC zoning District in piscatway specifically section 40 col 55 d-45 of the municipal land use Law requires that the applicant um of a general development plan provide the permitted number of dwelling units Mr Allen back testif ifed earlier this evening as to what is permitted as of right in the TC Zone and also what is permitted as of um right according to the density bonus that's requirement so we're certainly consistent with the density Provisions in the TC Zone the other requirements of the mandatory GDP are the amount of non-residential floor space Mr albach testified um as to the non-residential floor space he specifically talked about the concept of qualifying Main Street commercial uses which is articulated in the TC Zone the qualifying Main Street commercial uses are identified in um seven different categories and uh Miss API questioned if pharmacies were a specifically permitted use they in fact are pharmacies and drugstores are enumerated as one of the qualifying mainst Street commercial uses and they are permissible to have um drive-through facilities bankses and drug stores only or the only uses that are allowed to have for uh have drive-throughs so we're certainly um consistent with both the amount and type of non-residential floor space that is required in the TC Zone the residential density is also required mandatory component of the GDP and I think that that's been testified soon as to what we're proposing and what the TC Zone allows um again the non-residential floor area ratio for the plan development and its entirety together with a schedule setting forth the timing of the various section of the plans um so essentially we have provided um the high level requirements and I say high level because this is not a site plan so and the TC Zone in Piscataway at about a half a dozen different locations refers you back to the Piscataway Township site plan and subdivision ordinance and what that means is that at some point at a later date when the applicant comes in for the various components of the general development plan we will absolutely be required to provide detailed Landscaping lighting storm water management as well as architecture in fact the TC Zone has very specific requirements with regard to both residential development standards and non-residential development standards there are specific criteria in there as in in when I say in there in the zoning ordinance as what those um the buildings have to look like and when I say high level at the GDP it's because the GDP is meant to give the um the board the general location the types the density and the parameters and this um this plan certainly does does that when we come forward for site plan the ordinance will require us to do certain things for example right in the section of the ordinance 2132 11 um 11 C it reads a detailed traffic's impact study shall be submitted with a preliminary site plan application to the township to support the access configuration to the development so it's not that these documents aren't aren't going to be provided they will certainly have to be provided at the site plan phase but as far as at the phase that we're at which is the high level General development plan we comply with what is required to provided in both the Piscataway ordinance as well as the municipal luse law the other very important component of this plan and the housing and the population and the intensity that is associated with it is that and Mr enenbach alluded to this earlier in the evening as did Miss um elgart in her opening remarks in 2017 the scatter Township entered into a settlement agreement a court approved settlement agreement to provide for their constitutionally mandated obligation to provide for affordable housing so that the Lion Share of that housing will be provided on site um for as part of the general development plan um Miss Miss corkin Gardella asked if we would be dispersing those units throughout the various buildings and Mr allach indicated that we certainly would be so I think um that's a very important component of our general development plan where you as a team committed to and proud of you know the commitment to provide the affordable housing on site in accordance with all of the uck regulations there will be Governors as far as um the bedroom distribution are required to provide certain amounts of one two and three bedroom units which we will certainly do at some point those units will need to be um identified on plans on interior layout plans and that will all be accomplished as is typically done at the site plan phase so I can um tell the board that based on my review of the municipal land use law mandatory requirements as well as the Town Center zoning here in pasaway that there is nothing about the GDP um that departs from uh the intensity the permitted use program the commercial use program um and the high level uh site layouts we have programmed the site while we have not laid out again Mr Al back like to give the example of pickle ball um because one of the things he test he often testifies to is that you know Edwood likes to stay very current and meet the demands of their residents they want the their residents of their Community to have the access to the amenities that are you know reasonable and customary with the type of development that Ed would provide and whether that's dog washing statements State um places dog runs places for people to um enjoy the outdoors with um you know seating pickle ball we we try to be very current in what we're providing and programming for the residents of the community um when we're looking at the um outdoor spaces associated with the commercial we like to make sure that there's places for people who might want to sit there and have a coffee or an asai bow or something so these are the things that we as a team take into consideration when we're looking at programming these sites and I I can assure the board that you know we do that we'll do that on this site and we do it on on all the other sites that we look at so the developer is is very experienced in doing that and we'll work together with the framework of the development standards set forth in the TC Zone thank you you're welcome so if you could speak to in your professional opinion whether there you believe um there to be an unreasonable adverse impact upon the area in which it is proposed to be established and I'm reading specifically from the ml section 45d which is one of the components of what the planning board has to consider when they look at a GDP um sure so there are five components in section 40 colum 55 d-45 that the board considers when they're hearing a GDP the first of that is any departures of the proposed development from Z zoning regulations so we're not proposing any departures I've talked at length um about the permitted uses so that's the first component the second component is that the proposals for maintenance and conservation of the common open space are reliable and the amount location and purpose of the common open space are adequate that's another thing that your TC Zone specifies as to um the amount of of open space that we have to have it calls for a area it sets forth a minimum standard of 20,000 Square ft um so we're certainly programmed in accordance with uh the vision of the TC Zone the third component of the requirements the findings the board has to make is that the provision through the physical design of the proposed development for public services control over vehicular and pedestrian traffic and the amenities of light air and Recreation and visual enjoyment are adequate the next component is that the proposed plans velopment will not have an unreasonably adverse impact upon the area in which it is proposed to be established um and the last one is that the proposed development which contemplates construction over a period of years that the terms and conditions intended to protect the interest of the public and the residents occupants and owners of the proposed development and the total completion of the development are adequate so in all cases here you know it goes back to the underlying TC Zone that legislative has already been put in place by the governing body and this applicant's consistency with that so the intensity of the development on the site has been contemplated in those TC Town Center zoning standards as well as the Township's housing element and fair share plan so in fact if you look at the principal permitted uses it establishes actually a minimum number of residential development units to be constructed on this site and then it ties in for bonus residential uses and it ties those bonuses um not only to the number of units but to the affordable housing set aside as well so I would say that the development intensity and and the um programming for the site is certainly um is certainly consistent it is what was envisioned by Piscataway for this area thank you um I don't have any further questions if uh the board does board members um you've heard the testimony of Miss Kone uh do anyone on the board have any questions of her I have some just some questions uh Madam chair um Miss Navara Kone you outlined for us that the mlul under 40 col 55 d-45 sets forth the basically the five things that the planning board the facts and conclusions they need to analyze correct yes okay and you went over that in your opinion the general development plan that has been proposed there's certain things that you have to present or provide correct yes and then you have 55 D- 45.2 which indicates a general development plan may include but is not limited to and it goes through a host of items a general land use plan a circulation plan an open space plan a utility plan storm Warner management plan an environmental inventory of everything on the site a community facility plan a housing plan a local Services plan a physical report describing the anticipated Demand on Municipal and schools Services a proposed timing schedule and a developers agreement as all items that the plan can include you would agree with that absolutely I think you just read exactly from the municipal statute so and you would agree if based on the questions of the board that if there are certain items that they think they may need more information on that's why there is this category if there's per certain items that the board or the the public wants the board to consider they're certainly within their right in order to um come to their conclusion whether or not it's going to have an reasonable adverse impact correct yes those are things the board can certainly consider okay so I mean I just want to just for everyone to be clear there are certain things you have to do and then there's certain things you can do if the Board needs that information is that a fair statement I think that sorry I just want to preface by saying that those those optional is what I guess you're calling it um factors is something something that is by ordinance has been taken out of the equation based on the town's zoning ordinance I don't I don't think the town can sidestep the mlul I mean the same way we have to come with certain facts and conclusions and there's certain things you have to provide like the same way I don't think we could by ordinance say you're don't have to require the the the things that are required so no these contents though this is something that is something that the that can be per that could be required by theard ABS by ordinance is what I'm saying I'm not saying they're required what I'm saying is they're certainly can be provided by an applicant in order to assist the planning board understood I'm not I'm not saying that you had to do c and you didn't what I'm suggesting is if the Board needs more information information that's kind of why that section of the ordinance is there to say hey we want a fiscal impact because we have these concerns that's all understood okay and my last question is we we got in the last couple days of a report you authored and I realized the township staff hasn't had a chance to respond to that um so I just wanted to to indicate that you did submit a report to the township correct yes I did yeah okay we would be the developer would be agreeable to to withhold that report and not even have it the board consider it it's fine if it was submitted too late I apologize for that no no I mean I think I think the board's professional staff wants an opportunity to review it and respond to it so again I just and and that way it'll be posted uh appropriately so that the members of the community can also have a chance to look at it before any decisions made so that that's all I have thank you very much Miss Naro cap you're welcome Mr R any other members of the board have questions uh yes Madam chair Reverend Kenny one question on I would like to ask in regards to the footprint lighting for for the complete site would that all be standard in the uh the particular type lighting uh not one section being this type of lighting and the other section being a different um I don't think we're there yet so I'm not sure that we can answer it at this point and definitely U Miss gone would not be the one that would be able to answer that that would actually be um Mr Olen back but again we're not there yet that's something that we will come back with the lighting plan for thank you because that's one of my concerns the landscape buffering Street lighting and Street streetcape features are also something that's regul in the Piscataway Township ordinance and we have to comply with that so the underlying TC Zone will refer you to um the the township site plan ordinance so to the extent that there are site plan standards in the ordinance governing lighting uh will certainly have to comply with those that's that's that's my exact concern thank you you're welcome I'd like to open it up to the public at this time members of the public Madam ch this is M if I can ask a couple of questions go I'm Sorry Miss EP go ahead yes thank you um hi misson um just couple of followup questions um for board's understanding if you could describe what is this uh GDP approval the timing of it um you know in terms of the extent of the number of years this approval is being requested for certainly and good evening to you as well so the GDP what it does the general development plan it gives the applicant the right to seek extended vesting so the applicant can seek extended vesting for a period of up to 20 years and it does set Force other Governors for timing as well such that if the the applicant comes in for a phase or a section of the plan and then doesn't act on it for five years then that will expire so it does it gives the the applicant and the because it deals with larger pieces of property and larger sites it gives the applicant um Extended vesting rights Beyond which they would normally have if they went under a conventional site plan or subdivision ordinance thank you and in the similar way it gives the um the board as well as the township also an overall picture because obviously with the type of development again um ml permits a GDP plan for a certain type of developments you know which have more than 100 units and which have more than certain specific Square fo and the reason for that is it is over an extended period of time um so that you know all the parties that are involved have a a a general overview as well as a uh phasing out sequence of how these um you know developments may or may not occur um is that a fair statement to say it is a fair statement it gives a more Global picture for a larger area and then the applicant can come in or the veler can come in for the specifics of the individual phases as the as the whole General development plan is ultimately built out thank you um so in the similar way as you heard I think uh one of the items um I had brought up is in our um ordinance itself under section 21 32.4 um you know it does talk about what an all of GDP would have and yes the residential units and the non-residential land users uh but but it also includes shall describe the phasing together with any onsite and offsite improvements needed to support such phasing um I think Mr um enenbach did testify if that's required that would be provided to the board um as well as uh you know a a layout of um um the extended period of the phasing that's being uh proposed is that something I believe your team would be agreeable to providing that to the board to consider for this um gdv yes we would be agreeable to provide the phasing um of the project for the board okay um another item we've noted in the ordinance which um um uh you know as uh Mr Barlo went through the um mlul requirement of 40 colon 55d 45.2 there's a list of items that's uh you know may be in included and uh given the uh timing or or the extent of a GDP plan the board uh can request for certain items to be provided you did hear some of the local concerns um and one of the items that was brought up was the fiscal impact report um is that something that the uh the team would be we do have a um a preliminary report uh but I believe that was um um B based on a a earlier calculation so this would be an update U to kind of project the the extended GDP phas of 20 years you know approval that's being sought for this um proposed development is that something that the applicant would be willing to update and provide a f fiscal impact report um yeah I mean I think that we would be able to provide it I think as as a condition of the GDP approval I think that we would agree to do that in terms of compliance if that's something that the board would need um I mean I think that's something they're goingon to want to see before not as a condition but I agree Tom I agree fully I'd like to see that prior to the board making any decision on this um going back to I think um as Miss Cochran said one of the um items is that the board has to see that the development will not have an uh unreasonable adverse impact and you know traffic and uh the fiscal impact report seems to be um the concern that uh the board does want to kind of you know syn their teeth on and know about right well we'll we'll we'll do our best to provide it it might not obviously have the same type of specifics that a normal fiscal impact report would have because this is more of an overview so yes okay um the other thing we noted in the ordinance is um Orly enough the GDP does require a a sign plan uh which is to be provided uh you know which basically says the GDP shall include a preliminary signage plan which this is uh for uh everyone's um noting it's 213213 um in the section of the ordinance I'll pull it up uh it's the item B it says a preliminary signage plan shall be provided with any GDP application for the the development which covers the overall project identification General signage themes and styling of the development um is that something that the applicant would be willing to provide I would say yes the plain language of section 213213 of your ordinance requires that it shall be provided so I would say that we would we would be amenable to providing that thank you um and then U just as a general overall theme I mean we did hear this is a general development plan obviously the details of you know of the design elements or what have you have not been provided but uh you know keeping in mind what the ordinance is and how it came about I think the name says it all it was about the town center of Zone creation for Township of pasc and I think very uh if you look at the ordinance it's very uh you know broadly generally says they want to see a village style a uh Town style of uh architecture you know uh cohesion of pedestrian B Cs and what have you I I do hear the testimony provided this is a general development plan but uh in terms of what board is looking at and what the intent of the ordinance is and what the approval or the impact of the approval on the number of years it will have um is it fair to for the board to kind of at least have and I'm not saying you know detailed uh design drawings but some kind of you know a a theme or the uh you know architectural um facade even though conceptual is something that you know the applicant can provide for the board to at least understand what their Town Center zone is you know envisioned or um I can see why you're asking I just want to just the fact that this is a GDP because we're not it's not fully engineered we don't have the AR Cals and I can understand the concern and we have agreed to though to come back with a full site plan in at one time um so that's why that's where you would have the architecturals that's where the board would be able to see so in other words if we have the GDP approval we know generally obviously um how we're going to proceed and then we would come in with the site plan with absolutely all the specifics that would be required that you're looking for unfortunately we can't move for site plan approval without getting the GDP approval and it's one of those chicken in the egg um understood uh but just um you know as everybody is contemplating and thinking of it one thing of the GDP is um you know when anytime um any uh change to a GDP is required and this is for your benefit as well as the township um if it is considered substantial then you have to come back to amend the GDP so um you know if if the theme as the name goes the general development plan is provided for the board and uh completely understanding that this is not something you know we're not going to hold you to hey your building looked and I'm just generally stating you know your building looked U to this many with a pink uh variation facade with a blue first floor I don't think the township is is intending to hold you to that but at least in terms of concept knowing what their Village Center is going to look like is I think a fair ask of them understood I understand um and well we can try to you know do our best with that and and see what we can provide um and just to consider the fact that the buildout um you know we're waiting for we're going to be waiting for a lot of final approvals so to say from other agencies and whatnot and so part of that takes time and as we all know architecturally speaking tastes change right and Mal you know as you just said you don't want to be in we don't want to be in a situation where we have a change from what the GDP was approved and then we have to come back to you know to the board to seek an approval and an architectural change when there's nothing in your ordinance or the ml you know to require architectural at the GDP stage I think when we come in for site plan approval will have no choice but to provide those very detailed drawings for the board to review at that time um but it's it's difficult to do that at at the high level GDP phase which is likely why it's not required or even listed as one of the optional elements in the ml yeah um understood and I'm not going to you know kind of belabor the point but uh you know going back to the findings of the um 40 colon 55d again the board is contemplating how this is uh how this development over the number of years of I believe 20 years was what was mentioned is going to have the impact uh not only on the site itself on surrounding area and protect the interests of the public of the residents and finally the occupants of this Village Center so you know in terms of giving an overall broad picture to the board um um very well knowing it's a General development plan which the board is because right now we just have um you know we do have placement of buildings but um there is no Invision of what this Village Center is going to look at so I that's that's all I'll bring up and I think I'll keep quiet at this that Bo continue thank you thank you are there any other questions from the board at this time hearing none um I'd like to open it to the public if anyone in the public has uh questions of this present witness Miss Navaro Kone would you please indicate it by raising your hand on your computer no one Madam chair uh sorry madam chair I was already in the system I don't know I can't raise my hands I can Mr valy yes Mr valy okay Mr valy haven't moved right you still I haven't moved yeah I'm you all the way and thank you sir all right this is regarding still under Ro thank you sir yep I am this is regarding 21325 site plan and building design section I believe is C and then it's one B this is regarding the leads uh lead systems I didn't hear any mention of any Green Building designs or what are you planning because the current buildings over there uh is definitely way too old and I was actually working in in one of those buildings and uh it is so what what are your plans so when when will you submit something on the lead leads leads for those for the green buildings please oh oh are you talking about the um the Office Buildings sir yes yes ma'am um that's not part of this application um it's not part of the GDP actually it's not it's not the same Block in lot for talking about uh what about the uh the retail space you said about you know there'll be you know all those retail spaces you'll be building up right or you'll be reusing from those existing bu we'll be building up the retail cor oh sorry if you're speaking of other buildings and not just the office buildings that are currently there I got you right um but that is definitely handled at site plan and it's in the ordinance um itself in terms of Green Design there's actually a section for it what's required um and you know we're we're going to comply with everything with regard to the orces that Piscataway has with regard to the site plan um standards that are set forth there in okay so another question was I don't know this was kind of brought up before uh I don't Reverend that that asked the question sorry I'm I'm new to this but um sorry I you're good you're good okay thank you so this is regarding the the green uh the sorry the the charging stations uh so what I've noticed is everybody you know is charging in YMCA now they only have like 10 12 spots so you know I I think with this development like we did for another another building that they approved in January they asked for more uh charging stations so we would like you know if it's a town center people are going to come in here people are going to put their vehicles to charge over here what is the a impact on the utility B is going to be solar C how many spots are going to be there I think we need to see that in some some way shape or form in in your you know app site plan applications is that way you want to do it that will be shown on our site plan so we will have to comply with the state statute for the provision of EVS um Mr or mayor Waller made his position very clear on on how he feels about the EVS tonight so I'm sure when we are developing our site plan uh we will take that under consideration when we come back and present our our site plans to the board and they will I would imagine comply with both the state statute as well as uh the direction and comments we hear from the board yeah so I think minimum is something that the state requires but I think we should try to do something more uh for piscatway you know residents of these buildings is not to just put 12 of them or 15 of them but if you can put 30 of them maybe 50 of them that'll be more useful thank you understood you're welcome um is it does anyone in the public have any questions for this witness no no one else Madam chair all right then we'll close it to the public thank you um you I guess you can give up your Su Miss Elgar you can give a summary if you have no other Witnesses um I do not have any other Witnesses and I appreciate everybody's time um hopefully you know the board will consider the fact that this is again very preliminary it's a GDP um it's before we've actually done the engineering and that we do plan to comply with every single one of the ordinances um if and just as uh Miss API said that we will come back um if we need to revise any anything um I I think that just to get the process moving along um just because we you know we're looking to build this inclusionary development and build the affordable housing units um we are looking just to at least get the GDP approved at this point so that we can move forward and proceed with the rest of the the development and we'll be happy to provide additional information if necessary throughout the process do you have any other witnesses that you need to call in the future before you can complete your work for the GDP um not for the GDP itself no probably for the site plan we will be bringing more witnesses for sure ma Madam chair what I would suggest is I think based on the questions that Miss API raised that I raised that Miss Corker and raised um and while they they have implied with what's required I think there's a lot of items that the board and the residents had that certainly were contemplated in the statute um and I don't want to speak for Miss corkrin or any of the other staff but um I don't think we have a complete picture at this point and I think there's more information that may be required and Madame chair if I may this the staff really would like an opportunity to review Miss kon's report um we would like to issue a letter indicating those items in of 45.2 of the uh ml that the township would like to see before any decision made by this board I think there's a lot of missing information here before we can go forward do we have a Target date well from a from a scheduling standpoint March is filled up so it would be the April 10th I'm sorry April 10th ail April 10th meeting so we can Rel relist this on April the 10th for a review supplement information and I think that gives the applicant so they don't not rush gives them plenty of time to um Pro provide the information that that again the residents have raised um valid concerns the professional staff has raised um concerns um and again this board is task with finding that the proposed plan development will not have an unreasonably adverse impact upon the area in which it's proposed to be established so I I think that that information that's come up over the course of almost three hours now two and a half hours certainly seems to make sense and as Miss porin coughs up along um I've been doing it the whole meeting that's why I keep having a mute what with you right now oh no there you go yeah I started it um Miss elart is reason number one that the fact that the meeting's virtual is probably safer for all of us because um nobody would want to be near dawn or I as we coughed up up so um so I guess Miss Corrin are you making a motion to carry it to the April 10th meeting I am Tom Mr ol back's raising his hand Mr back yeah yeah quickly just I apologize I just want to make sure I'm clear through my notes here um not saying we're doing everything we're not saying anything I just want to make sure what information the board is looking for so I could speak to ownership about which ones we will do won't do I mean obviously some things are are statutory we have to do but I'm just gonna rattle off what I have in my notes what the board's looking for Mr alen back I think for your own well-being I think Miss corkran indicated she'd like the staff to issue a letter saying we'd like to see and then you'd have it in writing and then you could take that back um okay I apologize that okay with you m Mr out be that's fine with me I thought Don wanted to wait for additional information before she was gonna write her letter I think she wants to not her and then we'd like to have an opportunity to review that information um but as Tom said I think since we're here in February and you're not coming back till April that should give us enough time um to again issue our report and then to review the information that comes in between now and then that's does it make sense for you to just at least give us a letter in terms of what other information you would be looking for and then we can submit and then you can do a report Absolut if you know what I'm saying so this way that that's what I was trying to get at thank you okay for now it's listed for April the 10th then we'll carry this until April 10th and if it needs if time needs to be had we will adjourn it further made it Miss Smith I I know there was a motion by Miss cork I don't know if there was a second and okay motion do we have a second for that proposal Reverend Kenny I second it uh roll call please um mayor Waller yes councilwoman kahill did we lose Cy Miss Corin yes Reverend Kenny yes Mr Atkins yes Mr Foster yes Mr ahamed yes and Madam chair yes okay then that's um How we'll do that thank you everybody thank you take care and a Happy Valentine's Day yes what's left of it enjoy good night all feel better good night you and Tom right take care everybody thank you enjoy enjoy yourself Briant byebye thank you