##VIDEO ID:YZb680Yzpa4## that they Endeavor give them the wisdom and the guidance so that they can serve you and serve the people of this fine community and we ask all those that are here tonight for a variety of reasons that peace be upon them the wisdom and a calmness and be assured that we're all working together for a community that we can share good times good health and happiness for all the days to come we ask all this in the name of your son Our Savior Jesus the Christ in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit amen amen thank you thank you de I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the repblic for which it stands one nation God indivisible with liberty and justice for all will the clerk call the role Council councilman grubs councilman Bastion here vice mayor sner here mayor Bernett here we have a functional Quorum three of the five of us here uh at this time I would like a motion to move item 14 to follow item 13 i' would like the storm update to uh uh item four not 14 I'm sorry item four to follow item 13 so that we have first of all so we can have citizen participation immediately follow that and then also so that uh you know the children that are here for the proclamation we can get them out of here so they're not waiting around and that'll also free up some space because I think we're going to need it so may you have that motion I'll make that motion to adjust the agenda as you stated second every motion proper second all in favor signify by saying I I with that Florida city government week Proclamation Mr Springer around where's Mike he's buried that's okay we can get to him later whereas city government is the government closest to most citizens and the one with most direct daily impact upon its residents and whereas city government is administered for and by its citizens and is depend upon public commitment to an understanding of its many responsibilities and whereas city government officials and employees share the responsibility to pass along their understanding of Public Services benefits and whereas Florida city government week is very important time to recognize the important role played by city government in our lives and whereas the Florida League of cities and its member cities have joined together to teach students and other citizens about municipal government through a variety of different projects and information and our city wants to use this week to emphasize the importance of volunteering and giving back because volunteering strengthens communities solves problems and improves lives now therefore I Donald brette mayor of the city of Port Orange recognize the week of October 21st through the the 27th as Florida city government week and with my signature and to seal the city it is so declared on this day and in this place now the one I really want to get to the Ribbon Week Pro Red Ribbon Week Proclamation for the Valia Young Marines uh I know a lot of y'all are kind of tucked in and around the back could the valua Young Marines come on up here to the front please and appreciate you all being here and your service and afterwards that might leave a little bit more room for everybody else too I'm going to read the proclamation and then I'm going to come down to present it [Applause] to whereas communities Across America have been plagued by the numerous problems associated with illicit drug use and those that traffic in them and whereas there is hope in winning the war on drugs and that hope lies in education and Drug demand reduction coupled with a hard work and determin of organizations such as the Young Marines of the Marine Corps League to foster a healthy drug-free lifestyle and whereas governments and Community leaders know the citizen support is one of the most effective Tools in an effort to reduce the use of illicit drugs in our communities and whereas the Red Ribbon has been chosen as a symbol commemorating the work of Enrique Kiki Kera a Drug Enforcement Administration agent who was murdered in the line of duty and represents the belief that one one person can make a difference and whereas the Red Ribbon campaign was established by Congress in 1988 to encourage a drug-free lifestyle and involvement in drug-free prevention and reduction efforts whereas October 23rd to 31st has been designated national Red Ribbon Week and which encourages Americans to wear a red ribbon to show their support for a drug-free environment so therefore I Donald eret mayor of the City Port Port Orange Proclaim October 23rd to 31st as Ribbon Week in the city of Port Orange and I urge all of our citizens to join me and a special observance and I thank these young men here for their dedication to our community and women young men and women [Applause] and there oh there's Mike to get the picture how is you're shaking hands better than most these guys down here she's a woman you all right help me hold this up and everybody face this way there you go in pop out in front of her let me do this there we go good [Applause] stop one more mayor couple more back here and what I've learned is the person with the firmest handshake gets to walk away the proclamation absolutely absolutely [Laughter] M thank youa Red Ribbon ribb out there very cool let me just say one last time I read it in the proclamation but from the heart of a community you kids want to grow up making a difference and make lives better not just for yourselves for other people and there really is no higher calling and I appreciate that mix a little fun into your day while you're at it but go out and make a difference and appreciate it the proclamation is declared thank you [Applause] well done good stuff item seven anything on the consent agenda I items 9 through uh 12 that anybody would like to comment on public comments on consent agenda items only there being none item 8 agenda approval with the change already uh uh already motioned and approved me the agenda for the rest of the evening be uh motion and approved so moved a second we have a motion and second all in favor signify by saying I I we have items 9 through 12 on consent we have a motion for approval so moved I'll second well you know if I don't get a motion in a second from you two guys I'm in trouble because it ain't happening uh call a rooll councilman Bashan yes vice mayor sner yes mayor Bernette yes 3 item 13 is tomorrow needs your responders uh Tomorrow Needs your First Responders vucha County presentation of awards um they're here Jordan is hidden somewhere all right you want our Chiefs there we go Chief wolfing Jordan the floor is yours good evening mayor good evening councilman um we just wanted to come and do appreciation for all of our City's First Responders we hosted our third annual 22-mile walk September 21st of this year it was a great success we had over 140 people come out start walking with us um one of them being our next mayor Mr sner and uh Mr Tracy grubs walked the entire 22 miles with us um so it's a great success we do this organization be able to help for mental health counseling for First Responders just this year alone we put 19 vuch County First Responders in counseling or programs just to be able to make them better day on day um so we got some awards for those guys we just wanted to hand them out real quick okay so we have from the fire department we have the Port Orange fire department and the chief chief wolfing is going to accept that plaque this is the part everybody pla we go from the police department we have Chief Marino going to accept that plaque [Applause] and then we have some of the firefighters here um and then the police officers were um kind of busy they couldn't make it but we have driver engineer Dustin Hilton we have firefighter Scott [Applause] hanon we have firefighter Kim Barnes I'll read off these names real quick they're not here but we have S and Dean G we have officer Carl hampsh officer Trevor meanie officer Jesse Pearson officer Mark officer Michael Gray officer Jesse Pearson and that's it and those guys stood out with us for the entire 22 miles about nine hours um the entire day making sure that everyone was safe everyone completed it and no issues or anything like that so we want to say than thank you to those guys Rees a lot of sun block my friend I appreciate what you did yes sir Jordan since we got you there in the interest of of of time and flow because I had you in my comments tonight yes sir uh to to special thank you to Jordan for those that don't know Jordan is one of our newest hires in our Police Department he is a military veteran and he is a huge advocate in the community for volunteerism and a sh truly a shining star it's not very often that a supervisor within the organization of the city reaches out directly to the city council because they're so moved by someone's selflessness and that occurred I don't know if you're aware of that but uh one of the sergeants from the police department um reached out and wanted to make sure that the elected body of the city was very much aware of how in the aftermath of this storm you immediately started giving of yourself in ways that most people can't even fathom and and and Jordan not only used personal vehicles that were able to combat high water levels uh to help get people out and rescued that needed to be done he also went to work on creating food drives to feed almost, 1300 people with the assistance of local churches so I just want to say thank you our community thanks you and um well done well [Applause] you get that picture yes sir you want picture I am going to call you for a haircut again soon yeah D you're getting a little uh little long there I'm getting a little scuffy okay well done okay that brings us to item four Mr City manager you give us our storm update yes sir Robin's going to set up the PowerPoint basically two-part presentation the first part of the presentation focuses on the Storm itself some background information on the storm and then the second part of the presentation is a description and overview of the the storm water system here in Port Orange so it's a background of what we have and how we handle storm water here so beginning with the storm itself uh some of the data that was here uh one of the things we we got more rain in Ian but it was over a longer period of time one of the things sort of unique about this storm is that we had a really heavy period of rain about 2:45 or 3:00 a.m. to about 5 I had a couple of calls from people who made point that there everything we were we were kind of holding our own in a lot of areas until about 2:30 and when we got this big burst of rain and our weather stations were showing at some places we had nine what was about 9 in in an hour totals but it was in a 15-minute increment so we were estimating in that peak hour we had about 5 in so at that same time when we were looking at trying to find out what the storm surge was so looking at where River there there's River gauges that show you how high the water levels are and we were able to find that the water levels were about 5T above normal at about the same time this was going on so what made the storm a little different than than Ian is that it was a concentration at one period of time with a storm surge and when I go through the background of our storm water system you'll see the the gravity or the it's gravity fed and comes out and tidle surges block off the exit so it's like corked up the storm water system when all this rain happened and I just happened to notice on the news one of the days after that we were the highest level of rain as they did that they went through every County in their viewing area and I think the Port Orange number was the highest in the entire Orlando market viewing area for this storm which is not a good thing to be number one in uh it was a lot of rain not as much as a lot of rain and the impacts were fairly similar to that storm not the the wind gusts weren't weren't really as much I mean we we had trees and stuff but it wasn't one of those heavy wind storms we have a decent amount of damage so the summary of the damage assessment that's been done so if you see this there's about 1,300 homes that were estimated to be impacted um basically this number is about 600 of them that we estimated to be flooded In This Storm a little bit different than in Ian we had about 17 1800 homes impacted and a little over a thousand flooded so it's it's in the in the the same magnitude but not nearly as bad maybe a third less than what we saw from that and we analyzed also our public property we had some roof leak we had some water impacts the wastewater treatment plant flooded again uh we had a lot of parks damage included a lot of trees down on the golf course as well um other notable things and you can people can read these that the The Moody Bridge flooded again a very unusual the first time that happened but that also we had enough water in the creek that it got up over that the dun lot and Spruce Creek intersection flooded also had the FPL substation in that area flooded which caused loss of power in that area we had about the same number of high water rescues as we had for Ian uh the Cambridge and I'll go into that more detail later too but the Cambridge facility has a temporary fix the burm that was in there got breached the burm didn't fail the wall failed in the coal and it actually went in but in In This Storm the the burm held the the the super sack bags that are in there held the water just got up over the top by about 3 ft so our pump ran the whole storm but when the pump was running we were pumping out into the into the tidal Marsh and it was just coming back in the The Surge was pushing it back in so the pump was working we just don't have a high enough wall to keep the the water out so in addition to that we lost a couple other pumps Virginia Monroe is over on the east side that pump doesn't have a generator on it and when the power went out the pump quit working so we lost that area later in the Storm and The Sweetwater Hills pump failed there were a couple residents that noted it started smoking and when it shut down and quit working the water came back up into that area uh so that's an assessment of what we saw as damage i' put this on here about the FEMA flood insurance program that's not really a popular thing but if you remember what happened in Lee County if you don't follow the rules of substantial damage you could jeopardize the city's ability to be part of that program and our discounted flood insurance rate so there will be people from Community Development back out mostly this is mobile home parks where you have more than 50% damage you have to build back to code so just a heads up that that will be coming again following this storm due to the magnitude U the Parks have been evolving quite a bit when I put the slide together yesterday afternoon there was about four or five times as many parks on it the number shrunk and maybe they keep working at it it may even be smaller now uh we we lost some docks out in the water some peers we still have the golf course down it's it's really wet and there's a lot of damage there so there's a lot of assistance already out there we have this slide we have a we on our website we have a severe weather page and an assistance page but the links are in here for all the other uh sites that you can go to for assistance we just found out today we qualify for the Blue Roof as well so if anybody has roof damage you can get a a a free of charge tarp on your roof um the FEMA local assistant site hasn't been selected yet they're still looking for one that meets their criteria they plan to put one here they think though there will only be one in valua County for this storm is what we've heard at this point do Wayne do we have any just quick pause on that do we have anywhere to offer them that meets the criteria that they're looking for they're looking for 2,000 square ft plus full parking lot full Ada and they want to use it for about six months okay so if we had something we'd have to throw out like programs like no I meant something do we have even available but okay we we we don't that we would that doesn't have something already okay like Lakeside or the adult activity we have to shut shut operations for months that doesn't mean there's not a a private facility or something that might work in the area but we we couldn't find a city facility met criteria okay thank you debris removal will it start tomorrow um as part of that the the monitoring site so we we set up our site off Bruner it was pretty wet too but we went out there and put gravel down we've got some asphalt shaving so it's it's it's set up for heavy trucks to come and go we've got the conservation Tower in place the monitoring company's ready to go they certified the city's trucks today now we're working with a we had three companies under contract we're working to get guarantees on when uh I've got it down here in the challenges hurricane Helen did not do us a lot of favors in this area all the resources they have millions like 25 million cubic yards of debris in Georgia and we have less than a 100,000 here a lot of those trucks are up in Georgia Tennessee North Carolina and South Carolina we all use the same there's not a Florida base that it's Countrywide so we're CH we're being challenged and that the bigger cities and the bigger damage are taking them so we've had a couple of different phone calls with all the city managers in the entire County and everybody is in the same boat trying to get as many trucks here as we can to pick up and meeting with some of our haulers that we've talked to uh the strategy that we're looking at right now uh is and this is their based on them trying to find the most effic way to get it picked up as fast as we can get it picked up is to start out on the west side where we have mostly light debris that's uh tree vegetative debris because we can get through that in one pass and then that gives the people who are flooded and need a little more time to rip out carpet or drywall and get it out outside so we don't want to have to if you keep coming back to the same neighborhood three and four times it takes a lot longer to get there so the the current strategy is likely to be go through the West Side pick up all the vegetation and then put all the resources in in on the east side and go to get it at one point uh for note for the neighborhoods that have private streets and we need a right of Entry we don't own the streets to go in there so we need those HOAs or the owners of the property to sign a RightWay a RightWay entry uh clerk's office is going to handle all that for us so I've got the contact information here so that they can send it in we'll take it and and go from there also Waste Pro is doing their regular trash pickup so so everybody most of everybody gets their trash picked up on Wednesday Waste Pro will pick up bags and cans so it's this is going to be confusing because the FEMA stuff if you got a big pile do not bag it they won't pick it up if there's bag debris but if you're waiting on Waste Pro one of the hurricanes in the past I actually ended up getting mine I was in a neighborhood that was towards the end of being picked up and waste probe just four or five bags at a time picked up my trash it was all gone before the the big trucks came in and got it so if that's your preference you can do that we also have a self drop off if you'd rather do that you can take it to the Landfield now you get charged I think to take it out there but you can do that as well but we're going to on the same Bruner site there's Maps out on our social media and on the web page so it's up there by the police station you'd come in off meline and come down through Bruner drop it off and come back out but you can go there on Saturday and Sunday from what I put it 8 to 6 so you can take it yourself no contractors it can't be anything but vegetative debris but you can bring all your vegetative debris if you don't want to wait on something to take it there so that's another option for people to move forward on vegetation uh it typically takes about 90 days to do this uh so we're we we have been able to get a couple of the storms done a little faster than that but just so the expectation is set some of the streets probably will be you know it'll be closer to Thanksgiving and and into early December probably before we get all of this stuff cleaned up so just as an expectation going forward so this the second part this so that that's background of the storm a lot of resources for people information we have this all on the website if anybody has any questions let us know we'll get to you the second part is an overview I know there's been a lot of conversation about why do we flood what what happens what's going on what has the city done what have we done to try to make it better for people how is this system work so that's what this is I'm going to go over this briefly now this is a a larger view I'm not going into individual streets individuals backyards it's a bigger picture of you there are always individual circumstances that could affect flooding in individuals smaller areas but this is a broader overview of it so starting off with the history of the city so the city's been around for a while over 150 years this map shows you what's been built the orange areas were built prior to 1980 the purple areas were built between 80 and 90 uh that was some of our biggest boom growth the 80s through the early late 90s every we didn't have any storm water regulations until 1980 that wasn't a thing it was up to the individual people building stuff most of the water just drained off the front of the house and into a street some of the streets had pipes sometimes the streets were the drainage and the streets held the water the purple stuff between 80 and 90 there started being some regulation but basically until 90 there was no real storm water regulation in place the after that the requirment came in to build ponds that would hold a certain amount of water uh they use lots of different terms whether you call it the 100-year storm but people really hate that because they're not coming 100 years or coming every two but it was really a statistic of every one in 100 chance of having it what it really means is you have to design your pond to hold about somewhere between 7 and N Ines of rain in a 24-hour period so most of the stuff on the West Side got built under those standards so that that's you can see and I'll go through a little bit more detail in it but over half of our city got built before there were storm water regulations and 25% of it got built before there any at all so uh we're fighting the fact that on the east side we just don't have infrastructure in place most of the drainage is is simply run off through a street and into natural series of creeks and canals that I'll go through one of things we did put in here is the history of our flooding just to to show so the purple areas indicate where we have seen the most consistent flooding through these storms you can see the statistics data over the courses of the years you can see how bad Ian was U we may be a little low on that number for Milton um but the purple area coincides very well with the areas that were built with no storm water uh regulations in place so you you kind of see that that's where our our repetitive problems are in the areas that that weren't built there's very little of this out on the west side of the city this slide gets into who maintains the system so our system in Port Orange is not 100% maintained by the city of Port Orange there are large features of the storm water system that are main by maintained by other governments and a lot of private entities so what this is showing is the bright orange is County maintained canals and you see these two big canals and I'll talk about them more too but b19 is the one on the left side the the large one that has a green piece at the top is the Nova Canal the green is State maintenance component of it the Orange is the county the dark blue colors are are Port oranges those are the big canals that we maintain so Cambridge is the one that's our biggest challenge in in the city trying to make that work but it requires all three levels of government to maintain these canals to make the storm storm water system work and then the pond system as you see uh most of the ponds in the city are private there's a there's another graphic that'll go into that but as you look at this drainage system it requires cooperation from multiple levels of government and all of our neighborhoods to get there here's the data on that system so about 25% of the ponds are are public the rest of them belong to private neighborhoods this system and I wish I had one of those cool John maddens where I could draw on here and show you um but if you look at those big canals coming north to south so b19 on the left that I showed earlier Nova on the right they pull in water from north of us so and I've got a good graphic of the Nova System b19 goes all the way up to the racetrack in the airport so water comes from outside the city into the City and comes down through that part of town that one on the left side actually works a little better during heavy storms because the outfall of that Canal as it goes around behind BJs and LA Fitness and then loops around through the bford neighborhoods it comes out higher up and usually Spruce Creek at that point is not so high the water can get out of that Canal so it'll get full and it was really full during the burst late at night we found water backing up on this one more than we did in Ian but it tends to drain better even though it is pulling water from north of us in Daytona the Nova Canal pulls water from all the way up in Orman Beach and it comes down and it does not have the capacity and it is gravity influence and it is tidally influenced that its outfall you can see at the end where it comes down into Rose Bay and if Rose Bay is full and that's a narrow you can see how it Narrows in there so you shove a title surge in there you're just plugging that up and when that water can't get out it just backs up in the canal and comes out and over the edges into the lowest lying areas and floods them Cambridge which is a little bit to the west of that you can see it comes around and Loops same kind of problem that Canal goes back out that same area same backed up area and that same little narrow throat and so those Waters can't get out when they can't get out they have nowhere else to go but back up so we built the pump in Cambridge to try to pull all that water and force it out there but when when I show you the details you'll see one we didn't and this is this is a 20067 era so none of the current people that are here were here when that got built but that one was built it doesn't have a high enough wall so the tides come in Nicole over topped it Ian over topped it and so did Milton so the the the water that you're supposed to be holding out and pumping out is coming right back in on top of it so so that's a challenge when it was originally designed back in the 2000s the pump shut off at high tide so it wasn't even running so we did fix that after Ian and we put in the temporary replacement to at least hold in pump but so while the pump worked it we we couldn't beat the title surge shoving the water in in that area so and one of the other things I wanted to to show on that is that we do have seven areas where we can pump so the little purple boxes that you can see on there those are the areas where we we have mechanical equipment that is able to sort of assist the drainage flow uh five of those are permanent that stay there all the time two are temporary we pull out at the beginning of hurricane season and leave them there so those areas we can influence the the flow of water uh the only one that that that really doesn't have tital influence of Sweetwater Hills because that one goes over to b19 and out and that was the the one that broke so while we were kind of holding our own until the pump broke once the pump broke there was nothing to stop that water from filling in but that one goes out of out of ditch that normally works the rest of them all either go into the river or go into the same location trying to fight their way into Nova or fight their way into Cambridge so we we got pretty good results on some of the Southern ones but you can see that there's of the entire stormwater system it's a fairly limited area where we can fight Nature by trying to pump it with those those devices Wayne can you just talk a little bit more about how how the decision is made as to when we can pump to and I appreciate you bringing that because that's a big question that we get a lot is why why isn't this Pond lowered or that pond lowered and and those aren't those aren't pawns that we have the ability to lower but the ones that we do have the ability to lower can you just touch base on when we decide to pump and why that is and how that relates to the groundwater the infill and the tides and all that the target is to have them as low as they can as the peak impact of the storm comes so if we lower them too early we have a really high groundwater table here and they just fill back up from the earth it comes back up in those so we go a week out we'd have to go back and repump them and they're different sizes so some of them are smaller we can pump them down in 5 to 6 hours eight hours some of them take a couple days to lower so the lead time is trying to Target that many hours back of when we expect the burst to come in so that we can have them at their lowest point by the time they get there uh we do have limits from the state regulatory agencies on how low we can get them you can't you can't just turn them into dirt you can't go all the way down but we can get them fairly low you also got to be careful you pump them too low you start the walls of the the side of it start to fail and and you start seeing failures of the BMS on the sides if you get them too low it's like a swimming pool you get it too low it pops up out of the ground so we have some issues to do that but we ideally Target them they know how many hours it takes to lower each Pond and they try to hit that ahead of time now like this storm we had water coming in from a there was a lead tropical wave in front of it and so we were pumping them down for that as well so we they were being pumped several days ahead of this one going back to the weekend before and and real quick too if you could just touch base on the difference between a retention pond pump and a lift station because I've had some residents that thought that the the the green lift stations that they were seeing were pond pump stations versus what they're actually designed to do so the the pond pump so you can you can have a p pump that has you can see these outfall structures at the edges and when they reach a certain amount of water it goes over the top and gravity just it flows downhill through gravity or you can use a pump that pushes it that way so you don't have to wait on gravity particularly if it's flat so flatter surface is not like a mountain where you it's going to take itself out so the pump sort of takes over for there being flat land and it pushes it out and forces it so the pond pumps are at the ponds forcing the water out the outfalls and downstream a lift station is part of our sewer system our wastewater treatment system and so Wastewater everybody's heard about what goes downhill so it flows downhill lift stations are essentially just big Wells big holes in the ground that hold a bunch of Wastewater and it goes in there and as it fills up the pump kicks off on and forces that because everything can't be downhill sometimes you got to go uphill to get to the treatment plant so the lift stations there was about 120 of them in the city everything goes downhill to the lift station when it gets to a certain level the pump kicks on and forces it through a pump to the sewer plant to be treated so it it works for Waste Water whereas the pond pumps are only working for storm water in the ponds same concept of using a pump to force liquid but different different liquid sewer liquid instead of water thank you not to mention the when you're flooding you're not just treating Wastewater you're treating all that water that infiltrates the system as well yeah yeah that hurts us with with treatment is that trying to tighten up our sewer system so that we minimize that there's a little bit in here on some of the capital projects to get to the resilience of the sewer system as well because it's bad enough to have water but if you get sewer backing up in your house that's even worse so trying to make sure that that doesn't happen anybody is one of the the priorities that we have there there's also just a ton of Maintenance that's going on I think one of the things that we do have going for us is that we have we have and I'll I'll show you a little bit we have 15 people and a bunch of equipment that do maintenance we have really these guys do a good job of Maintenance some not all cities take care of their stuff as well as we do on the systems and it's a lot to take care of for that small of a crowd but relatively speaking they they are it is a good crowd so that's a lot to maintain in the system and but the system itself if you look at it thinking about 50% of the city was built prior to storm water regulations I was I was trying to explain it to somebody during the uh emergency Operation Center in the hurricane we basically have a storm water system built as like a think of a pint glass and the Hurricanes keep coming and dumping a gallon of water in it and it doesn't matter how much we maintain it it doesn't matter little things that we do help in in September when we get 8 Ines of rain this helps but when you have 20 Ines of rain in a hurricane pouring a gallon of water in that glass it cannot hold it it will not hold it it's not built to hold it and it never is going to hold it until we make major changes because you can't put a g of water into a pint glass and that East Side storm water system was never designed for 15 to 20 to 25 in rainstorms it it is not designed to handle that much water and it and little one-offs here and there uh aren't aren't going to this is a bigger Global CommunityWide in fact Nova is all the way up to Arman Beach problem that's going to take people working together to solve some of that because the the Pint glass has got to be bigger to handle those kind of storms so this is the Nova base and just showing you that so the colors of the cities that are on there so that's Orman and pink up in top uh the green is Holly Hill the blue uh Daytona South Daytona is in yellow and we're in Orange so it goes through all those cities the little pink lines around it are everywhere that drains into Nova and you can see we're down at the bottom and there's only three outfalls to that huge Canal that's taken all of that water through multiple drainage basins and multiple cities that structure and and I wasn't here I'm I'm old but I'm not old enough to been here in World War II um but what I understand is that that's the same outfall structure that this had in the 40s and 50s when there was nothing West the NOA but Farmland so that was built for for basically just grass and cows on the west side it never got improved I've had a couple Engineers say there should be at least six outfalls and one more anything helps but the three that are there are woefully inadequate to take the amount of water going in there and coming in going out we sit at the bottom so ours is blocked by high tide same thing happens at Reed Canal South Daytona runs into the same thing they've got a gate when tide comes up it's locked they can't get water out of theirs the other one's LPGA so that that's that is not enough to clear that Canal a lot of it comes down and ends up in Fort Orange well how you can't make water turn right very easily either that brings us the point of the army Corp of engineer study that uh Daytona got that we helped advocate for because it's hard enough holding our own water much less processing everybody else's Daytona has that bowl where everybody floods and they get a lot of attention and they have no outfalls so we're handling our water and the water from that outfall and then I'm we we I was absolutely gratified this spring when we heard that uh there was going to be a major project to re uh reinvigorate the Nova Canal the State of Florida was going to uh go spend time with this Nova Canal which they're supposed to be maintaining and haven't efficiently for the last 85 years so great I didn't see any results from that and I am wholly disappointed in the State of Florida with that uh and they're going to hear about it from me because that Nova Canal we got that much water and they they cleaned it they did no regrading and you can't take an 85y old canal and and sand is sideways and tell me it doesn't need regraded when we've had all all these issues they did no regrading uh and simply cleaning it is something that you can't act like that that's a major project that's something they should be doing ongoing anyway that they made it sound like a great uh project when all to me was ongoing maintenance it should have been done and it was a major project because the maintenance hadn't been done the major project was just catching up on maintenance it it doesn't do enough at scale to to move the water and increase the capacity which is where it's problems and mayor I think too when they mentioned that the Project's ongoing because of course they started all the way to the north they haven't even made it to Port Orange yet it's the project isn't supposed to be done until the end of December which made that water up there flow faster yeah that's what I mean it got here but they haven't even made it to Port Orange yet to clean our end yeah it's a mess I think that's a I think that's a huge frustration that is decades and decades and decades old is that those outfalls to they just don't exist that should be in the cities to the north of us to where what's happening there just the natural to they very much want them yeah just the natural Topography of Valia County it's all got to go out the inlet at some point that's where it's going it's all going out the inlet with an outgoing tide and when you when you drive that much water into the southern cities namely us eventually what happens is is that World War II can system is going to overflow its bank somewhere and now it's it's at the fate of the natural topography which means for the most part it's going to float Eastward through neighborhoods and Roads and every little problem we have becomes a big problem right and now we need to address our little problems we need to address our big problems but that exacerbates everything so yes that's why we were big advocates for Daytona Beach and that Army core of engineer study because it's going to take big federal dollars to make that change but it's not going to happen fast that study is still under uh being done it's not going to be complete till the end of summer last I heard even then then they got to go get dollars for projects that come out of that and we're going to and I'm going to be in line helping advocate for that as well the next set what have we done since Ian under these categories and I won't spend a there's some pictures but I'm not going to go in great depth on the maintenance but just that we get out there we we have in the old days we use corrugated metal in the older neighborhoods as the pipe of choice corrugated metal doesn't work well in a saline climate like this it rusts and if if those pipes are under the road and one of them fails the road goes with it so we have several miles of that we have been methodically replacing this 100% trying to get all the corrugated metal out of the city so that's ongoing to keep that up um we have a number of ditches we get into uh we have some equipment that you can drive down the road and reach over a bucket basically reaches over and cleans out but others you put down in the ditch but that requires a skill operator you can't have you can't just grab me and let me go do it you got to have somebody knows what they're doing and and the the climate is pretty harsh on these pieces of equipment uh so they they break down so that we're going to have parts of the Year where we don't have them so all of our pieces of equipment that are down in Mucky marshy water we do our best to keep them up as long as we can but there there's periods where they're under repair but we got those 26 miles of these ditches that they're out there working on every year and then we also have all of our inlets got hundreds of these inlets they they between normal wear and tear sometimes they get busted sometimes people drive on them uh sometimes things get into them so we constantly go through the process of keeping these things upgraded and maintained clearing out different trees uh the street sweeper program has been very good we have two now council's authorized two new street sweepers so we'll have a total of four this year to get out there they we send them out particularly the area north of dun Lon east of Nova uh it is's a lot of debris a little bit when you get up into the melin area on the west side of Nova but when what our street Troopers have found those areas have the most tree debris down and Clogg in the drainage system so they prioritize that so some areas that have mostly palm fronds they will probably do two or three trips through those neighborhoods before they will do just one and the other part so they're they're methodically and strategically sent to the areas where we see the most issues so this is getting into the actual physical Improvement so we maintain the system but also what are we doing to build a better system the short-term ones I don't have any pictures of this but one of the things that we we've been out trying since Ian everything we can think of we've moved pumps in different locations tested pumps we've put dye in the water at various tide levels to see where the water goes when the pumps are on to try to track it the conveyance uh what we're trying to figure out is ways to get water from from the ditches that don't have capacity into ponds faster and trying to get the water from the ponds out and into the the bay quicker so we've been trying to figure out of their ways to to enlarge the outfalls or or are the outfalls at the right levels are Weir set so they've been out little by little and obviously and I get that none of those things you know they made little difference this is not going to solve our problem with Milton we still got to do it because you don't want people to flood and you don't want these problems to exist in an August rainfall either so these things are important on the smaller scale those things don't help the big picture of a Milton so the mid-range and the long range range projects are what helped the bigger picture stuff so these are the current Focus projects the little purple blobs indicate the areas where we've seen the most flooding in the last couple storms so those are the areas that get hit pretty hard um there there's a a couple one these are the ones we talked about this about a year ago we were going over the storm water fees um probably the biggest one so what two things we got Jackson and Oak which was getting ready to go under construction so that one was until the storms came we had signs up and we were getting ready to start doing that project piping that ditch in both sides between Jackson and Oak Street the Cambridge pump the permanent repair to Cambridge and I've got a picture of that to show you that is well along design process it's really close to being done almost 100% the Cambridge uh project the Jackson Oaks getting ready to start the pond at Pepper Hill that we just bought it's right adjacent to Sugar Forest that one is about 60% design so we think that Sugar Forest Area Pond and the Cambridge will start construction next summer so those two projects were were moving along we just didn't get them ahead of the the storms so the permits required to do particularly the Cambridge one where we've got to get state and federal level permits to go under the railroad tracks I'll show you that there those are projects that are out there and being worked on as we speak in regards to Cambridge now that we know that the original design was under engineered are we going to make sure that as we re-engineer the permanent fix that it accounts for what we just went through so here here's the broad picture of the Cambridge Bas and you get an idea of of the down at the bottom the white box at the bottom that points up that's the where the pump is located and right now so it comes around and comes out there the pump pushes straight North and you see that's the narrow throat we were talking about and then the marsh that goes back up in there between the two neighborhoods and comes up by the driving range and that area um right now it pushes North and then the tide comes in that narrow throat and shoves it back down the I just want to be able to see so when we Pump It East instead of pumping it North see how there's a much larger Bay in an easy area for it to get out so the the design and this isn't a this is a more of a a conceptual picture of it than an engineering drawing but the big line across the top is raising the BM over 3 feet so that it doesn't get over topped by the storm so we can continue to pump even in the worst parts and you can kind of see underneath the thick Gray Line the outfall that pushes out so you go under the tracks and out to the wider area so we think that if the pump's pumping in that area that will get the water out instead of it just pushing right back up so I think that's where the flaw was one it wasn't built high enough for a storm of 15 to 23 inches of rain and two even if it was with the wall you're still pushing the water North and it doesn't have as easy chance to get out so the Eastward direction should allow us to to run that pump during the worst parts of the storm and have some chance of beating the storm surges that are coming in in the high tide what will do we have any idea what the stormm surge I mean obviously there's going to always be limitations do we have any idea what the storm surge limitations will be with that because it kind of you if if we get a storm surge coming from the Atlantic side that railroad track is not that High I mean once it surges completely over that land and area then it's all underwater right it's a pretty high burn because the railroad didn't want to lose their track in the storm so it it actually is higher than anything we have around there that's the highest burm is there I don't think we've ever had water over top that railroad track into that so that's a solid side and then the other one so what's the do we have an idea what the storm storage limitation could be we had 5T for what we believe was a 5ft storm was one of the bigger ones we've had and we had about three fet of water over the top of the sandbags that are there now okay so he's got it to go higher than that okay gu you need to go back to the U with the rest of the projects I then we spent a lot of money to get that lot uh across from sugar forest and Pepper Hill and I know that's under design um I saw that I was wondering what the timeline was on that I said design 60% it'll start construction next summer okay so we got south wind storm Pump Station design starting winter now I guess I got to put these on South Winds is a closed Basin so that one is that's our only major area that has no outfall anywhere okay so the schools have been nice we have been able to pump into their dry ponds and this will allow us to get into a canal system and help lower that water was right now there's there's it has nowhere to go okay we got pona which all that water in that Big Blob heads East too Nova Canal improvements the the big one the the Nova Canal this is one I was talking to vice mayor sner about this earlier today that that's that is a proposed outfall in Port Orange along the dun lton Corridor right now so that this is an estimated close to $40 million project with a 5 foot to 6 foot pipe with a gigantic pump and you just take all the water coming down Nova put it somewhere about where ruin zra and our wastewater treatment PL are and pump all that stuff out into the water and get it to a point where the tide won't stop it so you got to go farther out than right at the edge so where the one in Dayton at Reed Canal doesn't go out far enough the tide stops it we got to we got to go where the tide can't stop it so doesn't matter what the tide is doesn't matter the surge is you're forcing that water out into the river the river will take it away out into the ocean but we can't we got to get it far enough out so that it doesn't get blocked so that's a concept ceptual project it matches conversations that have been had with other outfalls there was one at one point that I think was an Oak Street type concept for it too uh that's got to it's going to be hard you dig dig a pipe that big you're going to need a it's going to create a scar to put something like that in the ground to make it work but something's got to be done dramatic or the Nova Canal which is flooding everything north of it as soon as it fills up all those neighborhoods like sugar forest and all the others on the other side they don't where there water to go so it's just sitting there backing up neighborhoods to the South the idea from this is to pull the water out of it and shoot it out into the river so it doesn't flood there and then it reduces the amount of water going Downstream so you have less backing up down at the southern end as well that is that's the kind of project that will require state and federal assistance to pull off it will also probably have a positive impact on not flooding a FPL substation there and they could I mean build some kind of Defense around it too I mean that would be helpful to have something like that Hospital in Tampa something that it would be nice if they say they're going to fortify their uh substation that they actually fortify their substation I mean we try to help the best we can but that Canal is beyond it's not a you saw that maintenance on there there's a whole lot of parties involved in and trying to make that Canal work and you put 15 inches of rain in it it's not going to well the problem with Nova Canal is there's a lot of moving parts and this is certainly a big one big project that would make a big impact and big Project's big impact happens slow but they but they start with what we've done in the last 18 months with that this and we need to keep we need to push we need to hit the hit the gas because there'll be federal dollars available for these things there'll also be uh State some State dollars there but even once the dollars are assigned we got to get the project done you got to get land to do it uh you've got all the impacts of that and you know frankly particularly when it comes to the land to do it when it's fresh in mind people are willing to deal when it's not so fresh in mind after what we've dealt with that it's harder to deal so we need to be we need to definitely push the pace on that one anything else on these projects Council any other questions on this projects on this slide you would touch on the Sleepy Hollow area yeah we had we have a the the dot built the big pond that's there behind the businesses when they built Nova and then the city went in between there and the actual houses there was just like a little ditch and and some grass trees in that area so sometime after the was I think before I started here we we the city put that pond in there the smaller one on the top the top the smaller top Pond actually outfalls over to the South it goes out and around to b19 and a you can kind of see it I don't know if it shows up on one of these slides I don't know if I have a good one of it but it it it it has a little longer path it goes up it goes up the side of the Sleepy Hollow neighborhood and then cuts across a ditch and then goes by Bushman Park and then down into Nova so it's that little Pond goes a long way out of the way the big pond just goes straight out into a pipe through Nova and right down into the the water in that area so the idea was to try to work on the bigger Pond and and do that and we had a little failure in the burm it a solid 40t wide section failed right before the storm and the the small pond flowed into the big pond the big pond gets out quicker so that's the idea is to try to pull from the bigger pond maybe even combine them all into one Pond and use that one outfall device to pump that water out and down quicker to the Nova Canal so I know the last thing people want to hear when they've had flooding is talk people talking about ideas and thinking and plans but plans are how you get federal and state money so if you can go to the people who have money and say we have a plan it's part of a strategy and so the storm water master plan will be complete in the spring the resilient Florida program has something they they have a lot of money assigned to the resilient Florida but you have to do a vulnerability assessment to do that so we got both of these projects underway the storm water master plan we have a model already done and in place and what they're doing now is taking the model and trying to design projects to see what will have the most positive impact you want to also make sure that you don't try to fix one problem and create a problem for somebody else by how you do it so the the program is putting that together that'll drive our next 20 years worth of construction projects related to storm water to prioritize the projects it'll prioritize the maintenance and it will make us eligible for lots of money um one of the things about this because of the period of time that we're in right now we haven't finalized it so Robin started a team when I when I started as manager a couple years ago one of the things I realized we didn't have a good Outreach to people so Robin has a group that goes out when people call with issues whether it's trees or flooding or whatever the concerns are they go out and see people and they've gone to probably about 40 50 people's homes already to look at D various drainage issues and I was talking to the city engineer today about this and if there are people who have individual circumstances that would like to have that group come see their situation and talk about it because what we want to make sure is when we go out and spend 5060 million on construction projects to fix drainage that it works we don't want to have an issue like the the pond that didn't work or the the wall that failed at Cambridge so you want to be sure what you're designing is a very effective project in the long term so they're ready to go out and see people and hear the you know show us in the backyard what did it do so that we know if we do this project how will it affect your property so so while this is is a plan it is a u it it's a chance to figure out how to make things work in the real world and it will make us eligible for a lot of money which means we we can do stuff more of it and do more of it faster so this is just a quick briefing of their budget about $15 million a year that they have the point here is most of it is all in either construction projects or paying for maintaining and operating equipment so the big pieces of equipment to keep them working to keep them fueled uh there's there's very little like the city as a whole about 60% of the city's general fund is is Personnel the storm water systems just a little over 10% so it is a budget heavy on building stuff and and equipment to maintain stuff with which means there's not a lot of guys uh so they probably at some point could use some more power to to get out there but they most of this budget is focused on physical changes and and in the storm water system and it just leads me back to this this is the concluding slide just showing the system overall as a whole uh mostly half the City built prior to storm water regulations relying on multiple agencies to maintain uh our system is built as a pint and these two hurricanes that came through recently are dumping a gallon of water that system was not built and and could not hold that amount of water it will take some work to get even I don't know that we'll ever get to one that holds I level water but the improvements will be coming forward and I if you have any other questions I'll be happy to answer okay so that's an awful lot of information and uh I know we've asked some questions as we went along but uh let's get through ours and then we're going to hear from the public on everything else but uh I don't I don't did you as you went Drew would have what else you got to add no I I'd like to yeah I don't want to take away any time from that okay no they're not we're not taking any time away from them they're going to get all the time they need uh the storm water master plan in the vulnerability study Wayne I'm sorry you said uh we I know we had difficulties uh with the state getting the uh uh vulnerability study underway but uh and I know it's not a fast process you said that that's going to be done by summer right the spring will finish the master plan and the vulnerability assessment will be in the summer okay I think my I was uh you and I had a conversation about 9 10:00 at night and we talked about the rainfall we'd had leading up to it was significant but 12 hours later we added 14 Ines to that I know most of our systems can handle 8 to 10 Ines of rain in 24 hours and even with the saturation Point um this is overwhelming for a lot of people including us um and I know that we're not alone in the city the county and the state but but this is our focus and this is our challenge uh how do we uh be Innovative and maybe show other people Innovation and how Innovation Works uh we can be leaders in solving problems uh and I don't want to be follower you know sometimes when you're Bob Ford used to say being on the Leading Edge meant you're on the bleeding edge sometimes you need to be on the Leading Edge because we need to be first okay do you have anything else to add Wayne before we move on to participation okay let's do that then uh public participation I've had a number of people sign up to speak and that's fine uh if you want to speak make sure you get a comment card hand it to the clerk you've got three minutes we'll time you when you come up just tell us your name where you live uh we're going to be listening to you we're going to be taking a lot of notes and if you have specific neighborhood problems uh please feel free to share those because what we gave you was a larger overview uh and when we're managing a large system you know 4,500 storm drains 25 miles of pipe the smaller individual issues that is helpful now I can't promise anything fast uh because it's simply not going to happen uh but at the same time it starts with getting all the information and we're going to get all the information we possibly can and that's where it starts I appreciate that with that uh Cheryl Ransom is she here Carol Ramsay I'll save them and if they don't come back come on up I heard that hello thank you for the opportunity I live in Gatewood in the Gatewood neighborhood which is right off of Nova and I moved there specifically in 2021 because it was not in a flood zone and it had never flooded MH I remodeled it and I flooded in Ian and I just flooded again we have a river running down our street and people that have been there since these duplexes were built in the mid to late um 80s said it's never ever happened before but it's started when the schools paved tennis courts and basketball courts so what I'm asking is let's take a look at Gatewood everyone along my street flooded and that's never happened before but it's happened now twice in the last three years thank you thank you the dawn Evans address 115 Moonstone Court Dawn Pammy oder um I'm in Fox which my understanding is it has to do with the Cambridge I wanted to ask are you County or who are you with the city of Port Orange you sir that's the city manager city manager with Port Orange okay I didn't know you're very knowledgeable about what you know so my understanding is when that Cambridge broke or whatever during Ian that was the cause of our problem and we were told then two years I believe it' be fixed two years later and I that directly affects me I'm in Foxboro subdivision flooded about almost two foot in in and I've got another seven inches in my house now um we have the front pond at the beginning of uh Nova Road there's a break in that that has not been fixed either my husband's called a couple times on that one and I can't help but to think I think that flows back into behind Circle K that that didn't have something to do with us uh retaining the water but basically what I'm going to take away from this and I'm not very happy about is is we've got all these Improvement projects but even if we can complete them and complete them wholly that it's not necessarily going to solve all our problems that's what I'm hearing is that about right so what does that do to the values of our homes what do we do about that we've invested I'm I'm almost you know 60 years old I'm looking to retire I put over 60,000 in my house to fix it the first time and now I got flood insurance and of course we got to navigate through that but what you guys are saying even if all of this stuff happens it's not necessarily going to solve all of our problems [Music] [Applause] right give me hey yall do me do yall do me a favor I will listen to everybody that wants to speak but when there's a speaker up here and I know you're cheering her on but let don't interrupt her because some people are good at this and some people not so much and when you break their flow I want to hear from them it's it's okay to cheer them but but let them Finish First okay I'm I'm not going to stop any but there's a lot going on but go ahead so I have heard that new samna has put a moratorium on a building no building till they get it figured out but this is a deep problem I'm hearing it's a deep problem within you know if it goes back to World War II and the draining system isn't adequate you know how do you fix it so it doesn't leave me as a resident very happy with this city not that not I'm not happy with you guys but you know I love understandable and you know I don't know what we're going to do about it but I'm not I'm not very happy walking away from here the money I've invested into my home and the improvements I put into my home I'm probably going to lose money on my house so but thanks for hearing us all tonight [Applause] absolutely Rob past I'm Rob P I'm Rob pack I'm a resident here locally lived in Port Orange in fuchia county for quite a while seen a lot of flooding two years ago and now I saw some of these projects would take 50 million to fix it I was actually just looking up on my phone what's the Port Orange annual budget I know you guys deal with a lot of money and it's really just in where you spend that money you could have fixed this storm water infrastructure but you've chosen not to I saw a lot of money got spent in the median and done lot and there CRP myrtles weren't good enough we had to put Palms meanwhile people's homes are flooding I know vucha county has had a study in their hands for 15 years now which identified a number of problems that that guaranteed homes in my neighborhood would flood if they weren't done they're still not done I know uh you guys have the Solutions in your hands we engineer solutions for flood waters and storm water all over the place all we have to do is put the effort in you might have to say other things have to sit by the wayside while things that are going to keep people in their homes that they pay a lot of money to keep this stuff needs to be handled I'm pretty emotional about this I've I've dealt with I got multiple properties that are flooded now my mother-in-law can't live in the house my best friend can't live in the house right now and I just feel like there are things that we could do that we're not doing you know obviously it's a big deal we got a packed house here because people can't live in their homes I mean we pay tens of thousands of dollars some of these people for property taxes and we're we're not going to be able to keep our homes because we can't repair them after the storm can't can't keep up with these Rising Insurance costs what's our government doing to help us and if you won't help us then we'll have to help ourselves one way or another at the end of the day you know even the Spruce Creek needs to be dredged you know there's a lot of problems and we're just not taking care of them you're choosing to identify other things as the priority but if someone can't live in their house how is anything else how is the beautification of the city important in comparison and we talk about you know some of the amount of money that it cost 60% I think was the figure spent on Personnel but that Personnel I don't think is used as efficiently as it could be how many times do we see city workers four of them standing there while one guy's down in the hole with a shovel I need to work on efficiency Citywide needs to be a concern not just a concern but a priority there are too many things slipping through the cracks no one wants to live here if their house floods we can't fight nature 100% but there's a lot of things we can do to defend ourselves and we're counting on you to lead the way [Applause] Jane Flanigan 713 Christine Court she's making her way through man okay hi U my name's Jane Flanigan I live in Sleepy Hollow mhm and it has flooded twice or actually it's flooded more frequently than that other people have gotten water in previous years when we haven't had uh 17 in of rain or 15 in of rain I know that my house has flooded four times not as bad of course but um what's happening we got like the guy said the other lady said we there's multiple people in here from Sleepy Hollow the whole half of it flooded I don't know we didn't have as much issue until they filled in the big Canal behind us with a 36 in [Music] pipe anything we can do I mean how many times can you fix your house and everybody is going to everybody I've spoken to has said that they're going to sell but what's your property going to be worth and everybody has mortgages the first time Ian went through nobody had flood insurance insurance company said oh we're not in a flood zone you don't have to worry about it yep so I mean you know they're going to move someplace else Orman Beach doesn't flood that's not true that's not true and I've lived here over 30 years so thanks but I hope that we get something done thank [Applause] you George SRI 5760 Sweetwater George George hey George right in front there on the other side in front this way you got it I've been in the hallway that's all right we got you as he said George and seric 5760 Sweetwater Boulevard I have a a rental home behind a pizza place off of Herbert Street in Little Town a street called Clara CL and uh it floods it flood Ian it flood this time here uh I guess what I would ask the council I know you have a lot of plans and projects that sounds great but uh to have somebody come there and just overview it like the lady said before back in the 70s there was a little gas station or a a little um a tire store and a little uh restaurant and back then they told them that they wanted to expand and they told the the exact words from some city council member was absolutely not you need to put a retention pond in because you cannot put that much of a an elevated home or a business to where you're going to have it up here to where you're going to flood five people behind you so that that's just the downfall of having a property that's older like like my rental property but that being said I would love to have somebody come go by on Clara and see there's an oldtime uh lawn motor shop there too and honestly it's got a little ditch that's about as big as this desk I can jump from one end to the other and there's a small pipe which looks very outdated maybe something somebody could look at that and see where those pipes run sometimes there might be a cloth might be an Overlook thing I don't know I'm I'm here I feel sorry for the people that do you know you get pretty good at drying out and putting micro ban and throwing the furniture out to the curb and your tenants and my kids live there and everything with that being said I I know it's a it's a big project but um they moved that b19 on Sweetwater right up to my fence and I was petrified because I thought that's that runs as they say from uh International all the way down and after that happens like you said sometimes you can handle all that water to where my house is then under the Metal Bridge the people in the they're getting it's you know going into their yards and stuff because you're changing the the used to be Crooked Creek is what they used to name that but anyways with that being said if somebody can come have a time to look at it I know you got your hands full now look at that some some of the uh piping and stuff in that J Clara Court right behind jeppis and they're build another parking lot there where it used to be maybe a drainage runoffs and they're talking about one house got sold that's going to be more of a parking lot too so like I said you can't put it up on stilts when you own the property you got to disclose it if you sell it so it's not that easy you know to to just walk away from it but um so anybody that can come by and look at that area I you got okay yes okay we'll call that thank you appreciate than all right Beth forbs good evening I was here November 1st 2022 telling you about the flood at the in uh Willow Run neighborhood specifically Craig Court and Casey Lane approximately four streets run into the storm systems it is apparent that it's un under engineered and I would ask that the city do something two of my neighbors one of them spent $80,000 repairing his home from Ian and the other neighbor spent 90,000 repairing his home from Ian I received uh a message from Benjamin Bartlett with vucha County because I kept pursuing that nothing's being done he tells me it was a 500e storm Ian well what is this one because this one was way worse for us than what Ian was and then a city person came by after Milton he identified himself as Johnny asked if he could come in my house and see what the flood did to me and I let him and he said oh this is nothing well it's something to me it's my home yes absolutely it is my investment and I'm of the age that I can't go back and make up the money to cover what I've lost in the property value so again I ask that someone look at Willow Run subdivision specifically Craig Court and Casey Lane thank you got it thank you [Applause] Dennis van land Landy 5793 Deon Street and if I butchered the last name I'm used to it I'm just going to say it it won't be the first one I butcher I'm sorry uh I live on Devon just north of Taylor uh got flooded pretty bad in Ian 30 in of water in my house I got another 18 in this time the only reason why it wasn't worse this time is because I learned from Ian I I blocked my garage I had it to where everything was sealed up 4:15 in the morning I wake up to water coming out of my toilet um evidently the lift station was not working we power was lost about 10:15 the night before I'm I'm assuming there's no generator on the lift station that's right in front of my house um I know you guys know there's a problem there because you bought my neighbor's house and B bulldozed it to put another left station um I would like to know what I know you probably can't answer now but I'd like to know what the plans are for that property when it's expected to happen and I think everybody here deserves transparency of what the plans are maybe put something on the website uh put it on your Facebook page show people what the plans are show people what the progress is cuz we're all pretty frustrated right now we don't mean to take it out on you guys but it's okay we we count on it's okay and and it's a lot to go through this twice um it's easier the second time but it really sucks to have to rip out all your drywall lose all your memories um I've I've got I'm I'm lucky I'm in a two-story house my living space is upstairs I've got a lot of neighbors that everything is one level they've lost everything again and a lot of my neighbors are not coming back yeah Dennis what street are you on again I'm on Devon just north of Taylor gotta okay thank you thank [Applause] you Lisa Christmas display that two story house Lisa Tai 714 Herbert hello hey Lisa Tai we want to be able to hear you hang on one second good Lisa Thai 714 Herbert Street number one how many car washes and storage units do we need in PT orange why why are you allowing all this building with no drainage to compensate for all the extra apartments and buildings and houses there are empty see half empty malls but yet you let these people build new you assess all of us in Port Orange for flood fees yet we are all flooded we have an retention Pond that hasn't been cleaned and I don't know how long I guess there was somebody his name was Bill s 15 years ago he was a chief of police he didn't like the drainage ditch that was going next to his house and he used his Pole to close the drainage ditch that blocked off that retain retaining pond that would solve a lot of our problems then we have the drainage grate in front of my other neighbor's house that's so clogged it's a flat grate it doesn't drain anywhere except to my house then we have another drainage ditch that's down the street I'm not quite sure what the problem is with that one my neighbor said that there's a pond that you open your drainage on during floods to flood our street on Herbert then we have a drainage ditch across the street from my house that is so thick with thatch I took video and pictures of a regular normal rain five days it took to drain that drainage ditch five days I lost everything in Ian we had over 2 and 1/2 ft in my house I lost everything again I just moved in in March March I just moved into my house all my brand new furniture everything is gone I have to start all over again then I have the city engineer who comes down and talks to us and she makes a joke at my expense about how I flooded how dare she how dare she she's laughing at me that how did you make out your foot above flood level who does she think she is then she works for us and she works for us thank you very much the last thing thing is that you send the traffic down Herbert Street when you they come speeding through where I live on Herbert Street it comes down like this and these trucks and cars I'm opening my front door to let the water out of my house and these cars and trucks are going by bringing it right back in we call the city and say send somebody put up barricades so they don't come speeding through and ruin what I'm trying to fix and yes we will but where were they they were nowhere that's where they were something has to be done I've lived in this house 4 years and I flooded twice and I'm tired cling the damn ditches and yes I do blame all of you Sandra warington name Sandra warington he was asking what the name was called oh my name is Sandra Warrington I live on North Brighton Drive um two years ago we had floods that reached the roofs of the houses again this time um there are certain things that the city could be doing they could be mowing the grass they could be doing different things to prepare for some of the storms I've sent letters to Mr Wayne Clark I've gone on click tick and I've filled out P stuff never get a reply to any from for from anybody our houses people just got back into their homes 5 to six months ago completely destroyed again they have to come in on airboats and get people out M it's ridiculous people up here have been smirking when people have been talking which is not good now we're being taxed ridiculous again and there's no recourse there's no help there's nothing to salvage we need help and you are the one that should be making it happen you should be our hero but you're not you're not you're just sitting there smugg while she was talking and it's very sad you have two assistants you as the city manager have two assistants what do they do they make over $100,000 a year doing nothing it's ridiculous you have people I mean we didn't even have sandbags available to us because the um we ran out there was no sandbags and there was no um actual sand because the director of Public Works miscalculated okay how can he miscalculate and then you have these city workers that sit over there for the sandbags taking our IDs sitting there playing on their phones laughing making jokes at people's expense while we're helping all the elderly fill up their sandbags put them into the cars because your workers aren't doing anything they are able men they're just sitting there playing on their phones being paid by us it's ridiculous I'm sorry please help us you're okay please Kurt Barnes 711 Christina Court yeah how we doing tonight um my name is Kurt Barnes I um 711 Christina Court I've been in Port Orange for about 15 years that been in that location for the entire time and um you know I don't know kind I come to this presentation and there's a lot of great information um maybe you could put this presentation online somewhere so I can digest it some more but it seems like there's a lot of problems that you've known about for many many years like we're talking about this Nova Canal that comes from Orman floods Daytona floods and then we get it well what's being done about that I mean how come we don't have six Outlets like some engineer said how many years ago was that I don't know but um my house has floated twice in the past two years uh the road in front of my house backs up quite a bit when there is a lot of rain but you know nothing's been done um I'm not sure why but I guess it's just really not a big deal because it's my problem and not yours it's cheaper to let me flood than for let somebody else deal with it really that's what it comes down to um so we have a lot of plans and I'm like I plan on being a millionaire one day but I doubt that's going to happen so these plans here I'm really I don't see a lot of I really don't have a lot of um enthusiasm or faith about what's really going to happen I want to know a deadline when is this going to be fixed okay because how much property value did I lose on that night was it like $100,000 $150,000 I have no idea but that's really that really sucks um and then let's talk about the development so like you know the other lady mentioned um all the um car washes that are going in and um uh storage unit that's another one great one well right in front of my house Sleepy Hollow there used to be some trees but I guess you guys authorize somebody to come in and I guess we're putting in a quickie Mark there because we need one and maybe there's going to be a Starbucks there right outside my house I don't know but there's something going in right now I mean what does that have how is that going to affect the drainage in an area that we already know that floods I don't understand that I mean that boggles my mind fix it next SE yeah um what else I've got 47 seconds so I'm going to stand here and use them yeah it just seems that you guys have known or the city of Port Orange has known about this area for quite a while and I live in a an older historic district I just don't know why it wasn't brought up the code why the covert the drainage retention in front of my house has not been enlarged by another 6 Ines I don't know whatever but we've known about these problems for quite a while let's try to get something done I think we all need a deadline like this is when is is going to be fixed guys that's it thanks so much thanks thank you John aeno who was it John ateno Canal View here he comes yeah my name is John aeno I live at 819 Canal View across the canal from the Florida Power and Light right around the corner from the substation that went under right we have a bridge there that is a major issue for the drainage of that canal and it's right it it takes us over to the dirt road where the T homes are where we live uh after Ian uh well during the end the water came down I'm well aware how it comes to from Daytona I'm I'm fourth generation citizen of Port Orange uh it's an old bridge it's got a very small culvert pipe in it it cannot handle the water even when we have heavy rains all right Ian the water hit the bridge crested over the canal and sent all that water which is millions of gallons come down that Canal over onto our property I had 30 in of water in the house and I've lived in that house since 1973 never had water in my home okay now here comes Milton oh let me go back after Ian I had a city uh department head there he was a white collar worker nice truck there was a hole in the bridge where the water come over the side hits the B the bank of the bridge come over created a large hole in the bridge him and I stood there and looked at it he realized we have a problem one side is trying to fall I never seen him again never came back I had to pay to fill that hole in on that bridge I live on the North side of the bridge just as you cross the bridge there's a sign says end of public maintenance that means that bridge belongs to you the the county somebody it don't belong to me everything on the other side is mine so uh I never heard anything about uh our bridge problem after Ian when I had a city worker there I'm sure he was a department head probably Public Works whatever doesn't matter but we were abandoned okay now after Milton it's even worse and now I have two giant holes there the bridge is unsafe if we ever needed to bring a fire Tru over it or the garbage trucks that come to pick up the garbage it's just going to fall in and it's creating blockage which doesn't allow the water to keep moving okay so it's a big blockage of the canal the way it's constructed up the street there's a community which probably has 50 people in it they got a new bridge 10 years ago but the 10 of it that's I guess it's not enough property taxes to to be taken serious or something and there is other Bridges old driveways I think it was where the conr live just south of uh uh the north part of Eastport they're still an Old Bridge there it does nothing but hold the water back and stop the flow I don't even know why it's there okay thank you John I just want to give my my bearings real quick are are you talking about the the one that's just slightly adjacent of the fpnl parking lot that's in the back yes that's I was just trying to get the I'm on the dirt road it's listed as it's Canal View but there's a Hardy Lane sign because Mr hardy built that bridge in the 60s I know exactly it's outdated and needs to be looked at it stops the flow of the Nova Canal okay we got Robert [Applause] Williams Robert Williams on Virginia Avenue I'm Bobby I live on Virginia Avenue I didn't plan on speaking um but after being here happy I am I hear people say not to place blame but after talking to a city uh employee today that came to my house on Virginia Avenue as Mr uh Clark stated there's not sufficient drainage there never has been now he was actually in 2007 to 17 the uh what was it the community development manager and I think that meant he oversaw permits and other things now the buildings on our road were built in 2015 and ever since that we've had flooding now when they came today they told me the buildings aren't up to coat the drainage is not correct they're supposed to be self-sustaining drains I said how did they pass well at the time we were under staffed so it was sent to St John's County River treatment whatever and approved without being looked at by you now it's 2024 we're still flooding problem hasn't been solved it's going to be solved now by the new owners of the building who are now are going to have to pay for it out of their own Pockets because a builder was neg you know negligent and so was our now city manager my question is if that happened on our road how many other building projects has our city manager and council members kind of just not paid attention to not car I've been in this town my entire life I'm the Sams raised boy I moved to Port Orange I love where I live I bought my house in 2016 it's my forever home I'm shaking because we've lost everything the first flood and the only reason we save stuff this time it does work we Flex sealed and spray foamed our entire house it kept the water out mostly still have base boards but every one of my neighbors lost everything else and after I found out that this man literally was in charge of that and I was told that these permits were just pushed through because there was under Staffing and now we look at all the other development same builder that built these another 83 on Oak Street finished last year Oak Street flooded worse this time so it clearly is an overdevelopment which is your fault I can't put a shed in my backyard without permission from anyone up here and if I do you'll tell me to take it down or you'll find me so that shows me you guys don't care about your community you care about your political status and whose back you're scratching I'm not blaming anyone for being in anyone's pocket because I can't prove that but I do know there's a lot of CRA I'm a high school dropout and I know enough to tell you if you build a building 2 foot above hom grade the water is going to go into the houses which is pretty pathetic that I know that and our city manager doesn't that's [Applause] it Austin hows Austin hows good evening I've been trying to muster up the words to say all day today I'd like to start off by introducing myself I'm Austin how 11 on 216 North Brighton Drive I I was born and raised in all of West Valia I've lived in every city and by far Port Orange is one of my favorites I left in 2014 and joined the military and served this country for eight years moving back with a dream to be able to get my forever home I'm a single father to this amazing six-year-old boy right now I had a dream to come home and build my forever like be in my forever home build it to how I want I just closed on my first ever home September 12th of this year my house just flooded and I lost a lot I my flood insurance hasn't even kicked in yet because it hasn't hit the 30 days my homeowner's insurance isn't going to do anything for me because it's a flood and who knows when FEMA is actually going to kick in I may have to move to for Clos when I just closed not even hardly a month ago and that's going to kill me this home this neighborhood I I love my neighbors it's such a fantastic neighborhood Cambridge the people there it's such a amazing Community we have here and we've been banding together to help each other repair from this but I don't know how I'm going to survive this if I can't actually live in my house thank goodness I have family here in Port Orange otherwise I'd be homeless right now with a six-year-old I'd have to live out of my car if it wasn't for my family here to have my back this um what this flood did to me is devastating because I don't know how I'm going to come back from this I moved into this neighborhood on the false pretense that it's listed as a no flood zone I have learned from my neighbors that it once upon a time it was listed as a flood zone They removed it before hurricane in when hurricane in came through and a lot of the neighborhood dropped their uh flood insurance a lot of them had to come out of pocket to rebuild their this themselves I'm wondering why after Hurricane in that neighborhood turned into a river why it was never reinstated as a flood zone because if it was listed as a flood zone I would have not touched it with a 10 foot pole 1,000ft pole I wanted Safety and Security from my home and I don't have that and I'm terrified of rebuilding living there and this happening to me again a lot of my neighbors this is their third flood in this neighborhood that whole neighborhood should go back to be orange groves and I hate to say it because it is such a fantastic neighborhood but what street else I live on 216 North Brighton Drive I have lived here I have lived in the house for 2 weeks actually before I actually got flooded and I have no Avenue for support I may have to move to for clo and that that's just going to kill me I really hope something gets done about this thank you all for your time thank you sir thank you [Applause] Cindy Bacher Cindy Bacher Britney Avenue hello my name is Cindy Bacher and I have the unfortunate home on 227 Britany Avenue in Cambridge um I lived in Port Orange for 42 years when I see that tree I remember that when we were I moved here there was trees everywhere there were so many strict rules about how big a sign could be and it had to be low we were known as a city green the city beautiful it's the city of concrete and asphalt now um I bought my house eight years ago it was my dream it was going to be my final resting place I guess you could say because I'm 16 9 years old um two I got flooded by Ian two years ago my um 10-month old grandson and I had to be rescued from the house while we sat on the kitchen counters and I'm going to try not to get emotion I had to worry about him falling into the water and uh sewage was coming up from my toilet and my shower besides coming in the doors and it was up to my windows and um I wondered what I was going to do if it reached my window and how I would hold on to him my oldest son came and rescued us on a jet ski right up to my front door and I had to take a $60,000 loan out to fix my house I didn't have flood insurance because I wasn't in a flood zone Nicole came along nobody got flooded by Nicole I stayed with my son as we came around the corner off a tailor and came into my neighborhood off of Devon onto my street the news camera was there because I was one of the few people who was going to get flooded again because Rose Bay Dam dam had gotten bridged I couldn't believe it and so after I spent about $80,000 fixing at my home all of my Sav savings and a $60,000 loan I got hit by Milton and I've been wiped out again I don't know what I'm going to do but I will tell you I noticed that the houses that were the closest to the draining system the drain systems were the ones that got flooded the worst I want to know what my city is going to do for me with the tax dollars that I pay I still work hard I still pay into the system and I love the ideas that you have but what are you going to do for us our properties AR work anything anymore they're worth nothing nobody's going to want to live in that neighborhood anymore Cambridge is is like hell now I don't know what are we going to do and that's my retirement and I'm going to have to keep working I guess till I die I'm very disappointed and I'm hurt by my city thank you thank you thank [Applause] you we got Tammy um sorry G rooy and Michael Samson hi I'm Tammy this is Mike I bought my house in 1999 25 years ago my neighbor bought their house about four years later 5 years later 2004 on our street Eddie Lane back up to the Herbert Street in the dun lot and so I'm directly behind the FPL the very I rate people I'm in that area um in 2004 I came here to exact same meeting I showed my butt a little ended up on Google or something I don't know but what I said was we have a problem with the drainage in this area obviously my house didn't flood then in fact my house didn't flood in the next 10 storms but three of the 10 houses on my street did and I came in support of those people 20 years ago with the exact same problem the street that runs behind us Canal View has never ever been dredged ever and there is a canal between Eddie Lane and Lex court that has never ever been dredged ever so I just want to say using some of the terminology that you've used in your meeting to show us the widespread damage obviously the building needs to stop there's 150 subdivision home going in behind Spruce Creek right now which is like less than two blocks from my house it's Sugar Sugar Mill sorry behind Sugar Mill Elementary so unfortunately your Army Corps of Engineers blaming all these other towns for their water coming in when you guys haven't done anything in 20 years for specifically my area which is to the east the in fact there's just one small purple spot and apparently you guys have put up one pump Sweetwater Pump Station and it failed you did no backup you're an engineer you have many years of of of Education knowing that you don't put a single fail system up you have to have backups to that so that they don't fail this is the problem and I don't know whether we're calling it lift stations or pump stations but why weren't there backup plans and when your equipment specifically fails and causes that area specifically I'm not sure about everybody else but my area if that's the only thing you've done in 20 years the only thing and your equipment failed is there some sort of policy or liability or neglect that I can go for is there something where we can go back and say this is negligence on your part since I can prove I was here 20 years ago saying the exact same thing and nothing was done what are we going to do about this sorry babe you got 10 seconds I find you all inep corrupt you all need to design you're completely worthless completely worthless you sit there on your and play on that damn computer Teresa Perez first issue I want to address besides the flooding so I live in Commonwealth estates Mobile Home Park um my grandparents lived and I used to live in that home and the address is 5197 Pineland Avenue and I live at 5221 Pineland Avenue well I've called you guys a couple times because it's technically city property because they their property is only 50 by 100 the trees are over the Commonwealth estate sign um blocking sign that says that it says Commonwealth you cannot see I have to pull over the stop sign to actually see the traffic coming from us one I have almost got hit twice and I'm in a pickup truck and I would like the limbs cut so people can see I'm tired of calling and no one doing anything about it that's my first issue because I've made complaints the second issue is the flooding I am very fortunate that I did not flood but I have many neighbors that have flood and friends and we have lived here for over 30 years and never had flooding until in and I'm sorry we went through Charlie and all that and when those three hurricanes hit us okay nothing compared to Ian nothing compared to Milton my friend is not going to be living back in her house she'd been flooded and and spent all this money and a tree just went through her roof and she lives right off a us one in dun Len so you know and they're going to sell their house or whatever is going to happen because she also asked for you guys to see about lifting up the house when in hit Y all never answered them never did anything and she is a veteran and it was a police officer and for her to go through this now her PSD is way out the roof so and the other issue about the sandbags the sandbags is ridiculous in in you had three different places that you could get sandbags here in Port Orange it was at the city Center it was at the the fire department and at over behind um or around Epiphany Catholic Church City this time around you only had a city of Fort Orange the only place that you could get sandbags and that is ridiculous but in you had three different places that you could go get sandbags for that doesn't make any sense and then then then run out for people that couldn't get sandbags and then my friend who flooded who's been in her house for 30 years through through in and never had a problem until you guys built the water Pond across from Spruce Creek High School flooded in her house and then she almost got damaged from this but she barely got sandbags for her house she had to go to somewhere else to get the sandbags because Port Orange ran out that's it's ridiculous so that is my complaints and you oh and the other thing is real quick and don't tell me that your building is not doing anything because my neighbor put in next to his we have a priv our private driveway is concrete so on his grass part he put aset next to his carport do you know that yes we got a little bit of water on the back concrete of our Alleyway but the next day it receded but he was out there taking a wet back and a u shovel or a brush to broom it and and a blower because because he put the asphal in to put his uh vehicles or trailers and stuff there all the water sat there and and and sat in that water so for you guys to keep building that's what's causing it because there's no trees to sew up the all this building that you guys are doing in Port Orange is ridiculous and it's causing the flooding thank you so that was exactly by looking at my neighbor's place to see how about how flooding could happen with all that water sitting in there James [Applause] holahan here go I I was I addressed this group my name is James Hulan I live in Forest uh sugar Forest I addressed the group guess year and a half ago and asked you to please do what you could to help us which I guess you purchased the property but still nothing has happened um we had in our home 9 in of rain during Ian this time now we had 10 in then I'm sorry 10 in then this time we have nine last time it was because the Nova Canal overflowed this time the Nova Canal did not overflow yet it did yes it did it did I don't think so not not what I saw by where I am I saw what crested did all right I personally believe that the storage facility that was per that was built there is causing a problem the retention Pond they have on the side was full before before the the hurricane hit also above the road yeah above well above the road as well it it seems to me that again everybody talks about overbuilding and that that is probably part of the problem the place is built is so much concrete there and there that used to be the horse for Stables uh it can't absorb anything and it's got to go someplace is there some kind of a connection that takes water from there and puts it into the Nova Canal where does the water go surely not going into that little Pond that they they created especially since it's so n so uh not n not narrow but not deep enough no to the other thing I suggest is possibly that communities like ours in s Forest why don't we create some kind of community group that would interact with the city to find out what's going on we have no idea nobody keeps us informed I don't I read the uh the information from the uh the bulletin and I don't get a lot of detail from what's going on specifically about my property naturally I'm interested in my property but everybody else here has had the same problem just we just need help we need we need to do something we need to do it faster you know we did a $30 million bond for the for the um for the recreation which is great we need to do a a significant bond issue to address some of these issues and get them done sooner than later nobody can wait another 20 years I'm almost 80 I can't start this again I've been breaking my back the last well however long it's been since the storm trying to clean out the house it's very difficult and MoneyWise that's another whole another story but thank you I appreciate you listening to me thank you marbar cool wendham Court yes I'm Barbara Keel I live at 998 wendam Court in Foxboro near the corner of Nova and Miles drive across from the pond which was lowered I was so happy to see that but I really think that a different little drainage I don't know if it's retention Pond that my neighbor across the street from me showed me that was behind his house which I never even knew was there next to some town homes that face Nova that flood all the time he showed me that and said I'm not worried about that pond over there I'm worried about this it was already up to his fence even before from the recent rains before the uh hurricane came and he flooded again and my garage flooded again and luckily it came within 1 in of coming into the rest of my house house I was smart enough to purchase a flood insurance policy even though I don't live in a flood area I've lived there since 2001 I was through those three hurricanes that came through I think it was 2004 nothing happened nothing's ever happened I was shocked when I woke up after Ian and opened the front door and there was water there and shortly it came into my house so I had to pay completely out of pocket it cost me a lot of money and my husband and I are in our 60s we still work but we don't have any ex extra money anymore after fixing it the first time so that's why I took the flood insurance policy thank God because the garage got covered the utility room and our back porch and it seems like something's they're going to do something for me but I really I don't know what this retention Pond is by these homes of these um town homes that face over Road do you know what I'm talking about mhm cuz it seems like that place is always even when it's raining it's bad in the parking lot I don't know how those people can live there it was really deep we have no choice okay but anyway what is that little where is that coming where does that water come from that was coming into that area by the tennis court is that part of this Nova thing or what where does it come from what is it draining do you know anybody I don't know off the top of my head it may be part of a sta thing but but but they can answer that okay so the man who lives across the street from me told me he has talked to the city several times about that and nothing has happened and like I said he flooded again to um not as bad as the last one but I think that really did contribute because the pond like you said you guys drained it enough that I felt comfortable but I believe the water was coming from another spot that area and the thing about people driving through my that street miles Drive is a cut through from Nova to Taylor okay sorry people going through on big trucks pushing the water into your yard huge huge problem thank you Mike pelich did I say it right good evening my name is Mike palah sugar four subdivision I appre appreciate my other uh C Forest uh folks here um same issues just different time uh we've been here for 30 years and same as if so so many people here in the last two two years this is where all the problems came um I work for a builder so I understand a lot of the stuff here and there the impervious areas with the concrete and so forth yes my big concern is was the Port Orange Stables um they looks great the CTS that are coming in are off of meline where they did the drainage there perfect pushed water through great however once it hits Jackson to going toward Sugarhouse drive that hasn't been maintained for a long time what I noticed After the Storm coming out at Sugar House Drive in meline water coming off of meline into dumping right back into Sugar House drive so there's probably an issue with the covert that's there maybe it's too small maybe something's blocking it but there must have been about a 4 in difference from the west side to the east side so something stopped that water and for forced it into the neighborhood that was one issue um the other thing would be the um working for the Builder Builder that I do in new samna beach sometimes we have to demo how homes and build a new one for for homeowners new samna beach made us in a lot of cases put a retention Pond into the back of these new homes to help create your drainage flow I don't think we do that here um and we we might but I don't see it anywhere we do my I am scared to death when they build these homes behind Sugar Sugar M Elementary I know they've already got fill there a lot of it already so obviously that's a problem so sugar for subdivision we are in a we are in a pond we are in a bowl you have made that bowl bigger on the storage building side and the build and it's going to be a lot build bigger on where the where these 200 and some homes are going to be at I'm scared to death when that happens I know you're doing the The Pump Station that's going to be there that's going to be great however I'm afraid that nothing's going to be done with that meline Canal there I mean it's only like 2 and 1/2 ft deep or so I haven't seen it being dredged I think that needs to be dredged out and looked at all these retention these covers that are there and underneath the ground there I think they're well inadequate my fear is you're going to say hey 2 three years we're going to take care of this pump station there and let's not worry about that that retention area because so much of that water for our har subdivisions coming right off of matal coming across division thanks guys [Applause] we got Lori [Applause] Becker hello Lori Becker I live at 865 Christy Drive I live in the Sugar Mill and Forest Community yay for all you people that flooded right yeah all right all right so we flooded twice severely okay you guys are familiar with that right mhm and are you familiar with the public storage building on the corner of Nova and meline it's three stories looks like a jail it's pretty pretty easy to tell okay why would you build that before you build the Retention Ponds why would you do that you know that meline commin is coming because I stood up here and fought against it okay so why would you do that why would you build public stores and then build battleing Commons which is now ready to get concrete and asphalt by the way before you build the Retention Ponds I'm sorry spring is not soon enough next year okay we can't afford that we need drainage now spring or summer whatever will not be spring or summer it will be fall it will be hurricane season again you don't want to see sugar Forest go through this again it's unacceptable your timeline is unacceptable we had Community meetings about this you agreed to put Retention Ponds in before Ian where are they we need to have drainage you know how many homes flood in Sugar forest and behind sugar Forest which is my home right here okay we can't take it anymore $150,000 in insurance claims we I can't do it anymore more please get a back hoe dig the hole get it done I'm not asking for a lot here we are all in desperate need and the other thing is okay we talked about the building enough with the building Ming Commons is going to put in 150 homes what are we going to do we are a bowl we are a bowl if you don't get these Retention Ponds built we're going to continue what are you going to do then take our homes f are going to take our homes because if you flood more than three times in 10 years you're going to take our homes all right so where does that leave us and all these people on Herbert Street on the east side of Port Orange which I know you are a resident of okay you know east side of Port Orange the ones that are the last to get the garbage picked up you know all right so pay attention to us please pay attention to us we need you can't just slap 150 homes in and promise US Retention Ponds and not build them on the second storm now let's move along and please come into our neighborhoods and tell us you care come into our neighborhood put your boots on the ground walk the walk and tell us you care all right thank you Tina schulter Tina schy clar Street yes um I came sorry um Tina schy uh Clara Street I came before you a year ago regarding the massive siiz parking lot that um jeppis had to have that they have used twice by the way twice they have no need for it and all they've done is taken our Wetlands just like everything else that you have permitted and signed off on so the storm water management program is intended to work the other direction so you plan for the future which you're not doing why why are you building and then trying to plan yes see storm water works like that that is the way the storm water program is intended is to plan for the future then you build but not take away the the wetlands my neighborhood on clar Street seven houses we all flooded I flood when it rains when you guys decided to say it's okay for Circle K to go up two more feet Cumberland gas station get put in carh don't forget the car wash don't forget jeppis because you know you know they have money they bring in so much money for this city but you know my cheap $110,000 house doesn't mean watch you guys that's my home it might be old it's from 1956 still standing by the way barely because it's only flooded twice which has been in our family for the three generations by the way every house on Clara Street actually along with the property the truck stop was on that just seppies took over nothing nothing flooded when Grandpa Carl had the truck stop the restaurant nothing did and he could not build without a retention Pond by the way he was told no accountability where's your accountability to this County this community and these people that's what you need is [Applause] accountability Ivon kiss hi my name is Ivon kiss I'm the HOA president for Sunrise Oaks I have been in front of you guys several times mayor I've walked the b19 with you some 12s um to educate the city manager I just want to let you know that the b19 last week was flowing backwards so I don't know if you've walked that but um we have issues with our ponds overflowing our streets overflowing in Ian we had four homes flood I do not know what has flooded for Ian yet I haven't gotten that report we have um our meeting on Thursday so how find that out that information um one of my concerns is building like everybody else um I look at that city of Port orang emblem and it kills me because that should be the city of uh either extra storage or the city of a car wash um on meline and Williamson we have 870 Apartments coming within the next two years so the b19 is already fragile like you had mentioned and now we have those apartments coming in so what's going to be done before those apartments are built if we're already having issues with the b19 so I hope somebody can give us an answer for that because if we're already flooding now and we already have issues now what are 870 Apartments going to do to the b19 I have walked and talked with you about the b19 before Ian um we have reached out to the county because we were told it's the county property nothing has been done over the last three years you have nice presentation and PowerPoints but nothing's been done in 3 years before Ian and before Milton so I hope and my prayer here is that you guys listen to your Comm Community because we are suffering and nobody's doing anything about it and it's sad I have moved here 25 years ago I raised my kids here and now my grandchildren are here and I hate to move and move them because all of them have homes here as well and three of them flood two of them flooded one lost a roof thank goodness I didn't flood but my house is sinking I just had Alpha foundations out at my house because I need to put stilts in the ground to hold my house up even though I didn't flood the sand around my home because of the pond behind my yard and the water in my streets makes a moat around my yard not a cheap thing to fix and I only had to do one corner of my home and that was $30,000 so I hope that you guys in this council is listening to the residents of Port Orange so that's all I have to say thank you thank you James carrian my name is James carrian I live at 842 Bears Trail previously known as 1915 Nixon Lane um bearish Trail is my driveway uh I live in the area that everybody's talking about sugar Forest um area uh my parents bought the property back in 1974 we never had a flooding issue then they built sugar Forest back in the mid 70s I think all of a sudden we start flooding why because our drain field was the woods that are now sugar Forest okay I've noticed from this hurricane I went out driving around from meline the retention Pond that y'all are going to be building from that area all the way to Dun Lon was underwater in that area okay my house I've got pictures on my phone in the water was that far under my door knob on my front door on this hurricane Milton I've had 2 and 1/2 ft of water inside my house it took me three days to be able to get to my house okay my house was the first house built in that location it was a log cabin that logs were cut off of that property back in the 50 by Mr Eddie who owned all of that property it's kind of a historical piece of ground and it sits under 3 ft of water every time we have a hurricane we never had flooding issues until they started building all these properties up around us ours was ground ours was built ground level because there was no codes back in 1950 whatever okay and I know it's not y'all's fault you know but we pay y'all we pay your salaries okay I don't live out at Spruce Creek Fly is there anybody here from Spruce Creek Fly is there anybody here from Sterling Chase is there anybody here from any of those other communities that you have to have like seven digits to live in okay we're all working class we all bust our humps butts for a living okay I can't afford to rebuild my house again I'm I'm collecting the insurance check and I'm out of here okay my mother has lost so much stuff in her life in that house I've had to rebuild the house now twice since it's basically become in my possession okay I I'm 57 years old I can't keep doing okay I mean there has to be something done and the way that I see it for my neighborhood there's no way for y'all to fix it because you've put this new subdivision in and you put in the new storage buildings thank you thank [Applause] you Randall Brett thank you d I'm Randy Brett I live at 450 miramac Drive Orange the woods subdivision and we were flooded again this time we were flooded in Ian we was flooded in Nicole and when Charlie Francis Jean and Ivan all come through it got very close then all those Corrections that we've made back there where the old fire station used to be we call it the Cambridge Basin catch P now um and and I understand and I appreciate all the explanation about what went wrong and what has happen but we just keep getting flooded and I hear that it's going to be now even another year later before we get a permanent fix and I know you guys did everything you could to give us a temporary fix but we need a permanent fix and we need it fast because it's going to happen to us again and we need for that Dam to be raised up about 2 or three feet so that that Rose Bay does not come back in on us again cuz that's what's causing our flooding as it's coming in on us now I'm going to say something that's probably not going to make anybody in this room happy we just floated a big gigantic bond to do something to play ball take that money and fix our flooding issues please please take that money and do something different with it I know that our kids need to play ball but we need to be able to live so please take that money and fix our problem thank you thank you for your time thank you yeah wolf hunger wolf hunger thank you um I'm a resident of Edgewater and they've got their own problem right now and I'll be at that city council meeting my daughter my son-in-law and my four grandchildren live at 937 Tall Pine and they have put everything they have into building that home for my grandchildren they moved there about 10 years ago and like so many who have talked to you already up here so many people I've talked to in the neighborhoods around here cuz I am an Xactimate estimator for constru companies and insurance claims so those of you who know what exact mate is you'll understand what I do the real issue comes down to what is the priority in this community in any Community we have the priority of Clean Water Supply fire protection police protection and storm water and any one of those can cause a community to disintegrate if they're not properly handled my daughter's house had never flooded prior to Ian that's the thread you're all hearing from people okay so something's changed yep it's the higher subdivisions it's the lack of planning on on Retention Ponds Retention Ponds that aren't deep enough okay pumping systems that don't have backup generators Etc etc etc the first estimate I did from my daughter's house on Ian was $109,000 without contents this one will be a little less she is blessed that she goes to a church that has people who will Who come and they've helped cut the drywall I do the insulation I do the mold remediation because I'm certified in mold assessment of remediation and and we're going to replace the the dishwasher the bedding the carpeting the couches the washing machine the dryer you name it it's all got to be replaced every time this happens and you would just be absolutely shocked to understand that most people can't do that twice they don't have the money they tried to get uh flood insurance it was too expensive for them he's an accountant so he does he's not rich but he makes a decent amount of money he couldn't afford the flood insurance here's what needs to happen you as the leaders of this community need to go into neutral redirect your efforts toward stabilizing the safety of this community by focusing on storm water and making that your only priority for the next couple of years you have the sporting complex you have everything else you need to make this city such a wonderful little city but people can't live in their homes you're going to end up being a hasb been city thank you [Applause] thank jaob Brian hi yeah I'm uh jakeob Brian I live at uh 222 Britney a um just off of uh Spruce Creek so I'm at uh AV on and um Britney um so just a street over from uh North Brighton where I believe um I think he left but uh Mr Austin um the veteran uh lives I walk by his house this morning and I believe um it Cindy I walked to your house this morning I wanted to and and I think you arrived right after I walked back the pile of debris in front of her home is higher than the burn that is used to to block try to to block the water incoming for storm surges so I mean to put it in perspective um so yeah just walking through the community my I have a neighbor who got taken for a ride in the last storm uh and uh he has no drywall since hean and he doesn't have the means to get it back to put it back so he flooded again um I have another neighbor who's who just happens to not flood um likely because of the way their yard um slopes but um every neighbor I'm talking to is we can't do this again we're leaving everyone in my neighborhood that I've talked to um and I just want to take it aside and I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence here I just want to bring it back to um to uh a couple things that I had talked to a friend about um a good friend of mine he plays baseball and um so he uh he plays at uh All Children's Park those fields in the back and there's that concession stand that's getting rebuilt um happened to catch a contractor who was just standing there and he's he's like um how are things going he's like w we're waiting on work from the city to build do you have an idea of how long it'll take when you do get the word no so that building that project likely will be more than half a million dollars and this building is no bigger than anyone's house here and if neither the city or the contractor can answer simple questions about something small like that that that con uh Amendment we voted on about uh bonds for Park projects if you want to ask to borrow money 30 million I mean there's already a level of irresponsibility with what's being allocated and where it's being allocated that I I don't understand why that passed but it did um and I'll just say this I there is the parks are only good if there's people here if there's a generation the Next Generation that lives here the the the generation their their golden years just trying to enjoy the last bits of life thank you thanks J Jackie Jacob hi I'm Jackie Jacob I live in May on marac Drive in the wood subdivision um we moved here in '95 have loved the community the schools you know the whole environment and everything we flooded in ' 04 we flooded with Ian we flooded with Milton um for us Ian was the worst we had so much rain and so many of my neighbors if you had gone down look like a war zone because everybody's life is on the side of the curb you know we weren't the only ones and everybody was in the same boat and it it took days to get into our neighborhood because there was so much water um and we had that again with Ian we didn't flood quite as much but it was still a lot of damage now I don't know if anybody visits our neighborhoods throughout Port Orange to really see what everybody's going through on a daily basis of trying to you can't wait for someone to come in from the insurance company or contractors everybody's getting their drywall out themselves they're pulling everything out that they can to mitigate the the damage so that you can start to repair what you can and hope that insurance will help you so you're not having to take out loans again to repair and replace everything um and I know in our subdivision it's worse I I think in the front half but in with Ian it was everybody and it was so sad this time it seems like it some people did a little better but I know it was rough for us and I've seen many of my neighbors with all their stuff out on the curb again um after' 04 because we're right next to the Children's Park they actually came in as from the city and they bought the homes because so many people did not want to try again um we're almost at that point I don't want to give up our home um but I can't see us putting it on the market and anybody wanting to buy a home that's flooded this many times um because it's hard to keep coming back and rebuilding again um and I don't know if the city plans to do something similar or how that works um don't really want that to happen but I don't know if the improvements will happen soon enough that it makes it risky worth risking having to do this again in another year or two um and I don't you know it's it's sad for a lot of us cuz a lot of us feel the same way it's how many times can you keep coming back and dealing with the same issues um so I don't know what the answer is I you know we all hope that the the city improvements for the water drainage will work obviously I know Mother Nature there's not much we can do but you know if you can come out and make yourself known in the community so we know that y'all are aware and care that would be that would be good to see thank you thank [Applause] you Michael McClure good evening gentlemen my name is Mike McLure I live at 5888 TR Drive I've been there for over 47 years Mr Clark if you want some information about how the water flows I've been through every one of them the biggest problem started in Hurricane Francis when they tried to let that Lake down and they let it down so fast it washed away the sides of the of the thing of the canal itself and then they decided to put concrete blocks in which is a good idea except when they were building a pns Paving guy name by the name of Chad was in charge of the job he would put two dirt piles into the top of the thing put pumps behind it from Thompson pump pumped the water passes so they could get in there work I told him if it rains hard that that that dirt isn't going to hold he said no we put we packed that thing in there it's tight he came back the next day all the water is in the lake you don't understand how much water flows through there you don't get a clue that I've been there I I built my own house in 19 u76 I worked for Jerry Johnson and Jerry uh through Ted me was the contractor I built some of those houses in that area I'm here not cuz my house flooded but because I built a twoot higher than what the St required in 1990 I put my out garage the height of the grade which I had a permit for and if you can't hold up to a permit that city has given you to last more than 20 years gentlemen it isn't your fault the planning condition did a lousy job and I don't blame you but you got a Monumental task ahead the kanbridge Basin Canal was built by George Scott and his underground back in the 7 late 70s and it was made to go to Taylor Road that's it took Devon all the way down straight out through two 4ft cover pipes at the railroad tracks it worked I didn't have to have flood insurance from 76 to 93 because I wasn't in a flood zone Infinite Wisdom of the Planning Commission let's Bill Foxboro will give him the permission we can do that we'll just shoot right underneath Taylor Road and put big cover pipes in and let it go down nothing happened on the Outsource it still had two big pipes the edges of it once it hits the uh railroad tracks some of it goes into Rose Bay easily but what they don't understand when we fought for um Central Park uh Kermit uh excuse me Foster colan wanted to build one uh 500 homes per acre that's way too much building in there we fought it the city commission saw it and they did it the water behind that that hits that rail tracks goes two directions some of it goes down to Spruce Creek some of it comes down to Rose Bay if you're going to put that pipe in and it goes straight you take a leftand turn and head east go around the block and put it in the woods because when you built that pond not only did you raise put all that water there you took all our wind barrier okay that water come up so high it floods everything and when wind lays down and starts coming from the Northwest we get 8 in now how I'll tell you how I know 8 in of extra water when it blows past the little bit of house houses that are there and everybody else's lot thank you Mike the reason why it does and you can say that as soon as the storm stopped at 8:00 winds down you can see the water going back you couldn't have been pumping it that fast right now the height of the lake is too high because I'm still wet and you don't Pump It Down enough the only person that listened to me was Lynn Stevens of Public Works I don't know if she's still here or not but I give her kudos because I told her you need to keep that level of that Lake down or people are going to flood I'm here from my neighbors I've been in business here uh for 40 years manufacturing company with partners and I love Port Orange but I certainly don't want to take anything away from you but you failed on Ian and what I mean by you failed on Ian you put sand bags up there and I understand why you pumped it down too fast the height of spruce uh the hyper Ro B too high and it breached and came in my yard I had so much salt water it killed every worm in my yard and it's stuned now you take and you put all these sandbags up there it's been two years and nothing has happened to improve that two years went through the F last hurricane season thought Jim Ward two houses down used to be a mayor of the city he lived there his house FL his house hous is in it again thank you Mike that property you added Foxboro Foxboro goes in there then you added Countryside and these things called Retention Ponds are that cup of water that you talked about sitting right there and it pours Spruce or potato um Mike I need you to wrap one one one sec one more second no that's fine I I just need to wrap up cuz I want to hear from everybody okay one one second okay we can stand 15 in water on Trailwood Drive we just can't stand everybody else's 15 in of water on our property thank you thank you Nancy n n tuby nebi I'm sorry on crane Cor I know I we're both technically I'm coming with her nanic uh 7:25 grain Court Sleepy Hollow uh two years ago was the first time I see water in my house I was told oh this is never going to happen again so I didn't worry about it I mean the way it was i' I've been living in the house for 40 years never never before it happens like that I used to on a c cleaners and if something breaks i f it I don't wait 2 years I don't wait 3 years to F it do you know why because if I didn't f it I didn't get no money but you guys I I want I have a question which one of you floated this time or the time before you floated so you know what we going through you know did you Flo it again this year yeah not not as bad but my dad is out of his house again so yeah you know we going through you know what we going through we supposed to live in a house that is not flored on we're not supposed to float so something is going wrong something is going wrong something needs to be done I see my house I see it's a river it's like a an ocean Co coming from behind my house I never see that like that so something needs to be done you don't we cannot wait another two years and be here again and talk again and you listening and nothing be done something need to be done I was not near as bad as you but I had water in my house yeah I mean there's a difference water D my dad flooded two years ago horrendously and he flooded again horrendously I'm to but look there's a difference between water and there's a difference between two feet of water in your house I mean it must be very fortunate to not have your 15-month-old son almost drowned in Ian that's when we flooded that's we left that's when we evacuated must be nice to not have to call your 93-year-old neighbor at 5: in the morning to make sure they're up to make sure they they're not drowning some things that I took away from your presentation was why didn't we have the backups why is there no generators why is there like the other person said the one system you know why did we not take care of that and then you know um I I don't know his name I'm sorry Donald sorry um but you you made sure that oh the state didn't they only cleaned it you know why are we talking about that now Ian happened two years ago why are we only talking now that the state only cleaned it and they didn't do anything for 2 years if it's the state's problem I just see that we're passing the buck and then on top of that you know you know how many people I saw we had to get permits to fix everything for Ian you know how many people I saw inspectors come spend 10 seconds in my house but cool we paid for the permits we paid for the inspections and did anybody inspect anything you can see light coming from the outside from inside the house you can see light from the outside because no one inspected anything you guys got your money everyone got paid that's What mattered on top of that I just want you guys to know that you know like my mom said she spent her entire life 40 years in this house what is she going to do she's 73 years old our neighbors 93 years old everybody on our street flooded no one has come to talk to us about anything not one person has stopped to talk to her thank you I have just one little more things when I first moved over there and people used to tell me we had somebody from the city living on a Sleepy Hollow and I cannot believe that because we were the first one we liked we were the the first one to pick up the garbage we never floated now we are the last one for [Applause] everything is it Bill cager 51 East Bayshore how you doing I'm Bill copage 51 East Bayshore um I'm on the east side with the poor structure that was on the presentation um born and raised 50 years right here Port Orange and I've seen a lot like they're all talking about Old McDonald farm on Sauls Road near SS Road right there being developed you know all the way over boater put the big billage pump pumping into the bay and that scares the you know scares me half to death cuz I was this close to flooding this time you guys got a hard Cell No Doubt no doubt um well my question is is who's proving all this I mean like if you look at the flood plane from 10 years ago 20 years ago the flood elevation you know who's in the flood zone who's not to now it's it's turned 180° I mean everybody else that wasn't in a flood zone then is now in a flood zone so you know like you're talking about pumping and pumping in here and pumping in there well why we stop the building for right now like let's just stop the let's just take let's just take it like we said just take a little time just to reassess what's going on and where the where the water is going because if you have a billage pump and this is from me being an offshore fisherman if you're offshore and you got one Bild pump and it goes out guess what you're sunk I mean like it's pretty pretty simple equation right now we have I live on a b23 canal which is not even mentioned in your thing we just dredged that in 2010 we had oak trees flowing down that bad boy from all the runoff going it's crazy everybody south of me on W Road had W flood waters up to their window Ledges any more within 3ot in the house I know what those people are feeling not just that but I see I go up uh you know the city the Riverwalk right up there on us one right across the street there's this huge condominium complex after the hurricane passed my buddy three houses down was like you know I only got a couple inches he's in there all night vacuuming the next day we come out there is water coming out of his sewer pipe This Tall flowing flowing High sewer water in his house like we don't have the infrastructure to support I mean I know we got people moving here every day but we have to we have to really realize you can't kill everybody living here now and it's been here for you know 50 years for the new people coming in you know like that's why our house prices are down our home prices are down in vucha County compared to the rest of the country we're the last ones that have this so we need to really look at these people before we stamp that stamp and say go ahead and build you know like let's what's going on here like let's get a drainage fixed you know so thanks for listening than Christopher magio uh my name is Christopher maio I live on 916 fth Street um I've seen the road flood on the street where I live at right across the street from me they're building 150 houses my concern is uh my neighbors behind me wonderful people we all look out for one another there uh elder lady dot had to move out of her home CU she got flooded out of her home there um this this housing project across the street there uh concerns me because their Road didn't flood my road did and if they put all those cement slabs there is that going to cause my house to be in a flood zone now also not only that the people behind me are going to be even deeper in water um that's my biggest concern for that area in the community that's my biggest the only thing I really have to talk about most everybody's spok and how they feel about how everything's happening I know you can't control the weather you can't control unforeseen circumstances but you can avoid Problems by preparing better drainage maybe better uh situations to make it less of a issue for others in the area that's all I have to say thanks thank you Kevin Stevenson morning Mr mayor council members my name is Kevin Stevenson I live in Sleepy Hollow on ravenrock court I am a 100% permanent toll disabled veteran I've served in the US Army as a combat medic now folks I want to tell you about um what happened at my house over on Raven Rock because it is a low lying area so at 1:00 a.m. I woke up to use the restroom floor was dry no problems checked every orice that I have because I put sandbags at every place I was diligent about everything that I did rest assured now 3:30 comes around I wake up again and I am in ankle high water in my house in a matter of 2 hours an hour and a half to 2 hours I got about 4 and 1/2 Ines of rain now I'm going to paint the picture further for you folks I have seven children six dogs and three cats and my lovely wife now we all had to hunker down in our new home that we just bought in May on our brand new couch that we just bought 3 days prior we are all hunkered down on this couch now me I a student of assessed the situation and see if we can move on and move forward well I got what little I could put on which was a bathing suit and some old shoes and I went outside to assess the situation when I got to the end of my driveway I was in over waste deep water now mind you I'm looking at the drainage ditches and nothing is draining wow surprise to me so I had to make the executive decision over the next couple hours to evacuate my wife and children now I want to back back up because this day October 10th is my son's thirdd birthday my youngest son's thirdd birthday we tried to sing Happy Birthday to him to make him feel better about this nasty situation going on to which he immediately said to all of us no I don't like this happy birthday which broke all of our hearts now rest assure folks I am a student of hurry up and waight and I know what it's like and I have seen this hurry up and weight nonsense with this I'm going to rebuild this back better of this whole drainage situation which you're not so I have gone forth and I have contacted Congressman mills's office and I had the pleasure of speaking with District director Amy Dunn today who is also tracking the situation who is keeping Congressman Mills a breast of this situation so I am here to let you know that he's tracking this situation I want to end off like this I'm in the military I have some years I know what vehicles look like in the air I'm going to go over my time for a second so I want you to be aware of that when I'm out there after the storm had hit a mere couple of hours when the storm went away I look up in the sky I see not one not not two but three v22 Ospreys US Navy ospray circling the AO looking at the damage now Mr Mayor I know you don't have the power to put an osprey up in the air that's not your call that's the governor's call because as soon as they were done they made a beline right for the Mike pen space Force Base so you tell me who put those bad boys up in the air to look at the damage and assess that it is a disaster area and they know fully well that it's a disaster area sir so we're going to keep going forward I'm going to keep contacting and pestering the heck out of Congressman Mills until we get him here boots on ground to see what's going on because I am a disabled dad who stays at home all day with his kids and I got nothing better to do gentlemen so rest assured I'm going to be the thorn in your side I'm going to be the thorn in his side we're going to get something something done and guess what we're going to play a fafo game of follow the money you guys have a great night cat Atwood and Cheryl Ransom and now it's going to the Don Evans where'd she go oh here she good evening gentlemen thank you for your time I do appreciate it I would also like to congratulate all of you for utterly failing your city your city not just our city it's yours too I would like to know how many of y'all's houses flooded I want honest answers gentlemen anybody's house flood no mine didn't flood no okay all these people these are not just they're not my neighbors on my road but they are all still my neighbors every one of them has lost something I'm tired I broke my hand doing this trying to clean up because my 71 year-old mother broke her shoulder I want to know what you guys are doing I know everybody says we're building new and they're doing infrastructure and I get that where does new infrastructure tie in to Old infrastructure what are we doing about that you sir not personally but your job you're a joke I hate to say that I really do but you are I can do the same PowerPoints you do I'm pull them up off the State website every day of the week I can make them better Mr Jones Mr Bastian not the time to be silent you guys have sat here all night I don't know if you're working I don't know if you're even interested you're just sitting there you've said nothing Mr still you you You're great I kind of like you like Mr Mayor no offense sir I am so glad you're going I am so glad you have done nothing but sell this city out at the cost of a lot to a lot of people who can't afford to buy new I've been told by so many friends move where can I move that I can afford I can't anymore you're building it up and you're building it bigger and better but you're leaving the people who have been here their entire lives I was born in this County I was born in in Daytona when when Halifax was three stories I have never seen this ever a day of my life I might go over I'm watching sorry guys what was it not Ian uh the F hurricane way Francis we started flooding then couple inches not a big deal ah we can do this Ian tooot Milton over 2 foot MH and it just keeps coming please stop please I beg you guys do something I'm going over I'm sorry guys do something I'm tired these people are tired and a lot of them if you look these faces out here a lot of them are retired they can't afford it anymore thank you thank [Applause] you T DEA Courier hello thank you for letting us speak um I live at 105 Kent Court so I'm in the Cambridge area on a caac um I moved there I'm sorry which Street Kent Court there's only three of us on that street I um I moved there so that my daughters could go to a good school in a good area I really love Port Orange um my daughter will be graduating this year and we got some of our um we got her back in the home from Ian we only moved back into the house and it's not even finished about 3 weeks ago uh got her house her bedroom ready and everything because homecoming and Christmas and nothing's been normal for her this is her senior year and she got ready for homecoming just to turn around and have her bedroom destroyed again and we're starting all over no privacy no sleepovers and fun and all the things that kids should be allowed to have one of the reasons I moved here in the first place um but I since then we've been through both of these storms our house flooded both times like I said we were barely in there for 3 weeks and it's not finished and now it's completely torn up we're right back where we started out at um we're worried about safety measures we flood in our backyard and there is a electric pole um with the electricity in the middle of that water down the street there is a hand cover that was bubbling with sewage I had human waste in my house when we came back after everything flowed out so everything has to be torn out we can't keep any of it um like I said right back where we started still fighting insurance companies to even get money to finish our house greatly in debt from the money I put out to put a new roof on the house to keep us safe in the meantime um there's also mold growing in most of all of our homes I think some people are just so new to the neighborhood they don't even know know what's in their walls and they're going to leave it and get even sicker we've been through it thank God once before so we know that there is mold and we know that we got to get everything out um the safety of the fact of all the debris we have might luckily we had everything torn out quickly but that means there's a gigantic pile of our stuff and our drywall things like that um people are looting they coming and digging through your stuff you know in the middle of the night we've had strangers it's just me and my girls and we've had people come and dig trash and take knives to our couches to see if we have something wonderful in them so it's a safety issue in many different ways um having that trash there for that long of a Time on top of all the other issues um like I said there's still standing water in our backyards the sewer water I've got two dogs I'm trying to keep them out of that area I can't keep the floors because of what happened there just a lot of concerns of this ever happening again and like everybody here I can't afford to move to another place and pay what I do now and be able to do it on my single salary and to have a normal year for my daughter and her senior year and just it's I'm sure it weighs on everybody it's a lot of work so I appreciate you listening to us thank you Robin do I have any more okay Council comments start with Drew I don't even I even know where to start because the I mean it it has happened twice in two years and mother nature of course is undefeated and uh there's no matter what project we do you know or is done long after I'm I'm gone and the that you know the next Council sits here whatever projects we do I I just feel like mother nature is going to win there too eventually um at some point so I I you know I'm not a predictor of weather but I I know it's a horrible thing um my house did not flood we lost some shingles have a leak over my or had a leak over the garage and you know lost some drywall but I didn't take water in my house um so I I did have damage it wasn't significant and I feel your pain but I honestly don't know how I can fix it but we work together up here we we build [Music] here it it it's difficult property that is being developed I mean we've been over this before you had a great Scott gave a great presentation a few months back property that's available and property owners have rights and they get to develop it and often we will sit up here and try to minimize the impact ask for Less residences try to make you know things better um and it you you can't stop them you try to minimize the impact it's very difficult to say no you can't build this when they're within their rights and it's they're they're building inside the development orders and the and the Land Development code it it's a difficult thing to stop you just can't come up here and say no you can't build anything hang hang hang on who owns because that's where it's being built out doesn't the county or city the thing W you're you're building up on the wetlands and that's where that's that's where the water's not going because it's concrete they're building on Wetlands that were supposed to be here to take on the Drew Drew finish your thought please we've heard from the public finish your thought finish your thought Drew I I I I don't live in new I don't know how they stopped building um Drew no yeah I'm no I'm I'm I'm good I'm good okay bet you you and to I didn't and I'm sorry have a suggestion though can I just can I just ask a question after after taxes now the values of the houses are going down especially now in New flooded areas why don't you because you guys were quick to raise property taxes from everybody why don't you check out the flooded areas and drop property taxes at least cut us a break you raised it very quickly it's just a suggestion Scott all right so and I and I I know we had a a ton of people here tonight and I really wish some of them would have kind of stayed around to try to answer some of the questions um and put this information out but if anybody wants to reach out to any of us individually all of our information is right there on the city website so please if you have very specific stuff if we don't have the answers and a lot of times we don't have all those answers then we will get the staff members or the appropriate people through the city manager's office to reach out and and have those discussions and provide that data and that information a couple of things that that that were talked about tonight no specific spefic order but I just kind of want to touch on them for those of you that are still here um the the FEMA debris removal process it it's horrific it's it it's not friendly to any Community anywhere in the United States that has to go through processes like this but it's their process and what happens is on this and I want to be clear on this because we get this question a lot and it's a source of frustration it's going to get more frustrating you know first of all I'm I'm ay guy who really believes in telling you the truth I'm going to tell you the truth right no matter how painful it is no matter how crappy it is I'm going to try to do my best to tell you the truth about this stuff the FEMA process is complex it's convoluted and it comes from Decades of people other states and areas taking advantage of FEMA dollars so that that process in debris removal which a few of you talked about how the debris is stacked up in front of homes and it's going to be there and it creates that we agree we don't disagree with that we are going to spend your money to have stuff removed from this community and cleaned up the only way we get your money back is to adhere to that exact process not our process not the process that might seem common sense to all of us but it has to be done that way so just keep all I'm saying is keep that in mind because that's your money that we can try to get back and continue by the way that's the money we utilize to put towards these flood mitigation projects and we have done that for years okay so just keep in mind that that that process is complex it's the federal government's process it has to be done that way or we cannot get your tax dollars back in order to put those towards more flood mitigation proc projects Fe some folks have asked about the the flood zones I'm I'm in a flood zone then I'm not in a flood zone I bought a house it wasn't in a flood zone now it's in a flood zone we don't determine flood zones flood zones is determined by the federal government FEMA determines what a flood zone is what the flood zone designation if you go to the FEMA's website I believe it's fema.gov they have an entire thing that you can read on there about how flood zones are determined what it represents what it means and and that but that that's not determined by municipal government County government or even state government so that is actually done by the federal government we Scott let me while you're on this subject of flood zone um flood zone X is a flood zone there is no part of the city that's not not in a flood zone flood zone X is the least likely to flood based on femous projections it is also the cheapest uh Zone to get flood insurance for I think it's $541 a year but you guys did your thing now it's dou and I'm in and now I have sp100 forood the Z yeah it's based on uh they the feds changed that based on flood performance and flood history but what I'm the point I'm trying to make is that an xzone is a flood zone there is no part of the city that's not in a flood zone some are greater some are lesser risk but the entire city is in a flood zone Scott go ahead please so the the city for years we have tried to work continuously on flood mitigation flood mitigation projects I know sometimes it doesn't seem like that because in years where we're not having storms or we're not having these kind of events and we've gone sometimes many years without them and then all of a sudden we get them in bunches um but that is a continual process and I will tell you that we consistently go to Tallahassee with what they call shovel ready projects they we have we have long heard out of Tallahassee that if a city in the State of Florida is coming to Tallahassee to try to get grants and trying to do these flood mitigation projects you have to come there with things that are shovel ready which means we pay for the study we pay for the design we get the concept together and then we go to Tallahassee and we and we present these projects and we ask our state legislators in the governor's office as they pass out Grant dollars all around the state for that stuff we do that we have had success with that last year unfortunately on the on the heels of Ian we took two flood mitigation projects to Tallahassee neither one of them got funded one of the things that you guys can do to help us is you have got to read one like the one gentleman talked about Congressman Mills I love it that's great the state legislators your State House Representatives your State Senators play a critical role in the process in Tallahassee to help us get dollars out of the state that we can put into these projects and it's important because so many of these projects like we talked about earlier in the city manager's briefing if if Port Orange controlled all of this it would be easier because there would be one entity involved but so many of these projects involve County uh properties and County instruments that are involved in flood mitigation as well as state instruments talking about the Nova Road Canal I mean yeah there's a lot of different entities involved and so the state plays a critical role and not everybody likes that but it is the role that they play and it is it's part of this process if we're going to be successful so my my my to bring that full circle my point to that is help us with that we talk about these every single year every year somebody asked why don't you put this stuff on the website we do put it on the website it's put on the website every year there's a few of you that come to all these meetings that are here all the time when we have them and they can attest that they do put them on the website so we we do that and we put that information out there help us by reaching out to your State House Representatives and your senators and telling them your story telling them we need their support we need them to fight for those state dollar to come back we need to reach out to the governor's office reach out to the governor's office and tell them I live in Port Orange we've been hit hard by two historic storms in two years we need more help here we have to get those dollars because I'm going to tell you folks we're just like you guys we we live here too we this isn't an us and them we're here to do our best to be your voices and make decisions and and while they you know you got 65 67,000 people and you make a decision and 45,000 are maybe happy and the rest aren't that's just how it works and we get that we got brought shoulders we can handle that but we we are you guys and we need your help when it comes to trying to advocate for those State dollars so please be attentive to that as much as you can reach out to us we can tell you who to contact help give you a little script of hey we're going to take these projects up this is what we're asking for and help us get those projects as much as you can just just make that you know an effort if you can do that to help us um a lot of talk about older subdivisions I'm born and raised here I'm multigenerational myself um I've seen every storm since 1970 although the first one I really remember was hurri David in 1979 I remember being in Sleepy Hollow with a friend of mine we built a ramp on our bicycles and we were jumping off the sidewalk into about 2 and 1/2 ft of water in the street so I I know I've seen it a lot of these subdivisions when they were built way before 1990 is or so where there were no regulations the state didn't have regulations the county didn't have regulations cities didn't have sometimes they did something was was better than nothing and then you went through an era of time my point to that is a lot of these subdivisions and these older areas of Port Orange which are important to us there's there's no true storm water infrastructure there or there's very little and it is extremely difficult and extremely challenging somebody mentioned how do you hook up new infrastructure to Old infrastructure that's part of the that's part of the problem is when there when there really isn't any old infrastructure that's compatible with new infrastructure so it's a challenge it doesn't mean we stop working at it we do continue to work at it and and that happens all the time sugar Forest is a perfect example I've seen sugar Forest flood numerous times since 1990 I know I'm just give an example for just a second I've seen sugar Forest flood in my law enforcement career in the early 90s I don't remember it was like' 91 '92 somewhere in there around Gordon I think it was I was in there in in waste deep water with small John boats helping people get out of their houses I I been in there I've seen it I know the there the Nova Road Canal is a major problem to that area it is a sugar Forest since 1978 we've never flooded my mom at 791 sugar can Lane she's never flooded since let me finish my my comments please like the front of the subdivision definitely flooded we were in there same thing with Springwood and Moonstone Court um and so the no Overwood Canal is is a critical part of that that the happens in that the other issue is maintenance of the areas we have a lot of subdivisions in our areas they basically had they had functioning HOAs that had their own Retention Ponds and and somewhat of a retention Network they disbanded their HOAs and then nobody has taking care of it and those are problematic to us at all and those are those are maybe Small Things admittedly those are maybe small things but there's still things that we have to try to work on sir you guys spoke of you guys spoke ofak being a flood area that October 8th I have video on my phone I can show you Memorial lake is almost flooded and the whole Canal is already almost flooded 2 days prior to the hurricane even hitting I called the city several times I kept on getting transferred and disconnected then when I was trying to call to speak to them to ask them will you guys at least empty the ditch out they were leaving messages now nobody called me back in two days nobody came to empty the J and this is a known flood zone now I grew up in this house I was there I'm sorry let let let me let me finish let me finish okay the way this process works AR in you got you got to let me finish my comments take and put palm trees that's not necessary it's our turn let let them finish let them you got to let them finish please thank you I I'll segue to the CRP mles and palm trees that's that that is part of money that comes out of Tallahassee that's the state roadway that's not money that's coming out of flood mitigation Banks that's totally different has nothing to do it has nothing to do with if you want then reach out to the state legislators and tell them you don't want more funding for palm trees and tell them you want to put that funding into flood mitigation projects around the state okay but that money is not coming out of your flood mitigation doll your flood dollars it's not that's not where that's coming from I I don't know where that rumor came from it's just not it's just not true it's not true okay it's not true the other the other thing is is is is we hear people from time to time and I Know It kind it's kind of become the Brut of things if you will about car washes and storage units and I know that's really irrelevant to what we're talking about here tonight but listen we we don't decide if a property owner who has a piece of commercial property that is zoned for commercial development we we don't decide if that's a car wash a jeppi pizza a a storage unit the property owner decides that if it fits within the zoning designation that's what is is allowed to go on that property now they can apply for zoning changes they don't have much success with this Council we typically do not do that in fact I I'm not aware that this particular current Council we have has created a zoning change that increased density we actually look to change and reduce density storage units while they're not pretty to look at they don't create a lot of issues in the community they provide very little traffic they don't bring traffic into our community these are things that that people have asked for and and and the other thing is is they build storage units and they build car washes because the demand is there you go by that car wash on Herbert Street sometimes the line's out into Herbert Street people want that and so a property owner or whoever decided to make that investment that business investment and take that risk they decided that the community wanted that we didn't decide that we didn't ask I've never asked anybody to come build a car wash or a storage unit in this city not one single time have I ever done that Land Development and and this kind of Segways into that but the state of Florida Florida we get a lot of well stop building stop letting them building that that's not us here's the thing is in the State of Florida land ownership has very strong rights for for ownership and development the State of Florida sets development code if you have if you guys go buy a piece of property whatever that property is zoned at if it and you decide I've got this idea for a business and it meets that zoning and you can meet the state regulations the permit will be issued it legally has to be issued what new Suna did was in a very small area that they identified a developer's infrastructure he wasn't doing it correctly they put a temporary stop on that development they didn't stop all development in new Sam Maybe I misunderstood it but that's my understanding because I've read those articles as well they put a very small area out there by Venetian Bay and they put a temporary stop on that okay and I think it's maybe is expired but I'm not 100% positive anyhow with regard to that when people look at that and they say well why are they building we don't build it we don't build businesses folks we don't build them we have to adhere to property zonings by the way all the property in Port Orange I think I've been on since I've been on city council not one time have I been part of an initial zoning not one time all the property in Port orang was zoned back in the 80s they received if it didn't have a a zoning designation it received what's called an NL future land use zoning designation all right now this is not my specialty if you have specific questions about stuff like that our community development staff can give you information specific to legalities with land ownership and development and building but in in a gist or in a nutshell so to speak that's how that works that's not up to us a lot of these businesses you guys see like I get the do we need another Mexican restaurant I don't know people keep going to them nobody came before we didn't vote to say we need a Del Taco let's get Del Taco to come put a taco place on NOA road we didn't do that there there were property owners who look in the community and they they take the risk and they see what's the what what can we what do we think is going to work good for our investment that's how that happens you guys are the ones that determine that it's like when a business a lot of times somebody trays that risk and it it doesn't work it's because the demand wasn't there and that was decided by the residents of that area so that's kind of how that works if you guys have specific things and you want to reach out to me please do so my information is right there on the website I'm happy to try to have those conversations with you I promise you I won't have all the answers but I will do my best to get you the information and answer what I can for you mayor well I've got about a hundred notes uh Wayne first of all sandbags were mentioned a bunch of times and we I'd already expressed my my dis my disappointment in us not having enough to meet demand but I do want to point out that we handed out almost 20% more sandbags for this event than we did for Ian and we had already handed out sandbags for other non-events before that so 31,000 sandbags were issued in two days and I think for Ian we issued 25,000 over 4 or five days um the demand was higher but I think the demand was also higher because people got uh saw the need they they saw what was there so there's absolutely no doubt that's one of the things we need to do better no doubt about it I also know that we're competing with Resources with everybody else when there's a lot of things going on but we've got it that's part of the cost of doing business uh permit fee somebody mentioned that Wayne did you already sign the executive ORD I know you're going to sign one uh waving permit fees for all all repairs um what I would like to I and I've got more questions I do uh uh you know questions create more questions I know how much water we had and how fast it comes down is also a factor and taking you can take the hurricanes of 2004 all three of them put them together and you'd have to multiply them by one and a half to get what we had for Ian uh and this was similar it's just just it's devastating uh but the storms themselves as much as they are a factor uh our ability to get things done uh it you it all plays in We all we all need to do better therefore what I want to do is we're going to have to I assess everything and once that assessment is done I want to make sure that we have a workshop on to follow up on this where we are after post Milton not just at all the projects but on the rebuilding and everything so it we have another opportunity for people to come knowing what's on agenda knowing what we're going to discuss and talk about so uh we'll talk about when that's appropriate to do but it's it's a must and I've got a feeling that we're going to have more than one workshop and for the foreseeable future uh we need to have a storm update of some sort on uh every Council agenda moving forward for the foreseeable future uh as we make sure that we're communicating what we're doing with Milton recovery and communicating with the other things that we need to communicate with and I'd appreciate your help with that and I know we'll be talking about that as well uh with that we've been at it quite a while I'm going to ask for a 15minute recess and then we will continue with the rest of the meeting we are in recess e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e and we're back uh an advisory committee for the TPO Mr Bobby ball I don't think he made it this late yeah Parks and Rec Advisory Board did not have a quorum so there's no report from them that brings us to the public hearing portion of the meeting first reading of ordinance 2024 D 18 Mr attorney could you read that into the record for me an ordinance of the city of Port Orange B County Florida approving the First Amendment to The anglish Cove plan unit development master development agreement to establish a modified definition of a screened enclosure for lot four of the anguish code subdivision provided for the repeal of conflicting ordinances separability and pro providing an effective date move to approve ordinance number 202 24-8 and I will second that mayor we have a motion proper second the item is open on the floor for discussion Wayne who do we have here Tim Burman Community Development the proposed amendment is just specifically for the angler Cove Lot 4 that's located on Beachside next to the adaly club uh subdivision this would basically establish the open space requ open screen requirement for a screen room um staff is basically reviewed the MDA Amendment and is recommending approval of that um requirement for the screen room en closure or screen room to be have a 20% open space versus 60% okay questions Council no this one's pretty cut and dry yeah and this is a fix uh would anyone here care to speak to this item Robert come on up mayor council members Robert rehagen 1425 Dex to Drive North Port Orange um when I when I read this it says that if the open screen area percentage requirement or a code requirement in the LDC and not a part of the definition there would have been a would have processed as been processed as a variance so my question to me it raises the question of if it's not part of the LDC a requirement of the LDC um do we have any Authority does the city have any Authority at all to enforce that screen enclosure requirement because if it's only part of a definition and so that that's my first concern and then it later on says that the building plan was reviewed by a third party firm a review firm in compliance with the Florida building code and that an assumption was made that a separate permit would have been requested for the screen room and which was never done so I I think this one raises the question of of uh what are we going to do so that when there are thirdparty reviews the staff is going to look at it close enough so that you don't miss this kind of thing thank you thank you Robert thank Robert anyone else care to speak to the item back to us Council final comments or questions there being none call the roll yes yes yes three item 18 uh the the uh proposer has uh wished us to continue to November 6 so I would like a motion to continue uh item 18 uh a b and c to a meeting on November 6 move to approve item 18 or move to so moved yes second date certain November 6 date second I'll second that um thank you all in favor signify by saying I I I okay item 18 is moved to November 6 item 19 is first reading of ordinance number 24-20 Mr attorney could you read that into the record please an ordinance of the city of porn County Florida amending the Land Development code chapter relating to eligibility for economic development incentives and updating language related to impact fees providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances separability and effective date move to approve ordinance number 2024 D20 I'll second you're out of time Tim I like that have a motion proper second the item is open on the floor for discussion Wayne who do we have presenting Tim bman Community Development um as we've done a number of times this is mainly just a code amendment to clean up some code language in the in the LDC um first part is some conflicting language we had when we did the adoption of the um impact the ordinances We just cleaned that up there to make sure it's consistent across the board the other item is related to kind of the economic development that we're trying to do in the c um over the past two or three years we have basically been doing a lot of uh Fe building permit fee waivers as part of projects coming in there were a number of projects that came in maybe five years ago six years ago that basically did not get that opportunity but have established the businesses in the CRA and we want to provide that opportunity for them to request those fees be refunded then um again this is basically an attempt to try to get them to reinvest in properties in that CRA um since these are a number of successful businesses that we have down that area then so that is what that proposed amendment um is for I'm here for any questions Council questions or comments no there being none thank you would anyone here care to speak to the item you going to pass on that one Robert back to us Council final ments call the role yes yes yes 3 public hearing portion of the meeting is closed regular agenda item 20 first reading of ordinance number 20 24-21 Mr attorney an ordinance of the city of porn County Florida amending chapter 54 Article 5 police pension fund amending section 54130 benefit level amending supplemental benefit and cost of living adjustment eligibility for certain members pring for codification repeal of conflicting ordinances severability and effective date move to approve ordinance number 2024 D21 and I will second that we have a motion proper second the items open on the floor for discussion Wayne this uh from what I'm reading this just codifies what uh uh Matt this just codifies what we've agreed to in negotiations yep you just saw the contracts last month this is the formal revision to the pension ordinance to codify that okay Council comments or questions there being none would anyone here care to speak to the item there being none back to us final comments or questions there being none call the rooll yes yes yes 30 item 21 is first reading of ordinance number 20 24-22 uh amendment of chapter 54 Article 4 for this one is uh the last one is for police this one's for fire Mr attorney in ordinance of the city of p l County Florida amending chapter 54 Article 4 fire and Rescue pension fund amending section 5477 definitions amending the amending the definition of salary amending section 5482 retirement benefit amounts and eligibility amending the normal retirement date for certain members providing for codification repeal of conflicting ordinances severability and an effective date move to approve ordinance number 20 24-22 I'll second we have a motion proper second the item is open and on the floor for discussion Wayne same thing but for fire right okay I should say Matt sorry yeah looking the wrong way uh Council comments or questions there being none anyone here care to speak to the item there being none call the roll yes yes yes 30 additional items City attorney report no sir excellent report thank you city manager report excellent report uh city council committee reports First Step shelter uh met yesterday uh the level of uh use of firststep shelter is also at an all-time high and the shelter was requested by the county to uh uh be used as an emergency shelter during the storm for uh a number of individuals as well so on top of being at capacity they added roughly 30 people during the storm uh they did a fabulous job with that I appreciate their efforts with that Port AR South Daytona Chamber of Commerce uh we have we did not have a meeting with them this month but I do want to say that Thursday is the chamber after hours if you have time to pop by uh I believe it is at the chamber no I don't even remember where it's at look it up on the Fort Orange South Daytona chamber okay Sean where's it at Arrow you yes sir at the chamber building no at out out there uh okay very good road trip Thursday night thank you very much any other business come before us this evening there being none have a good night