e e e e e e e e e e e e e Stager Mark bowling Mar Mills Bennett here Bo bamy Lance green is here Thomas Jordan here now I'll take a motion to consider the minutes from April 25th make a motion to accept the minutes of April 25th second all in favor say I I [Music] opposed all right application MDA Amendment First Amendment to the restated Master development agreement to the catfish Commons plan commercial development case number pza a-240 004 can I get a motion make a motion to approve case number pza a-24 00004 good evening Penelope Cruz planning um so the proposed amendment is to um for to allow multi-tenant freestanding sign with 84 square feet on that Southeast corner there of um Ridgewood and dun Lon the property is already allowed to have multi-tenant sign and the PCD was previously already approved to have off-site signage so that you could have panels um for different um tenants throughout the PCD on and various signs um because there's already four or five tenants in this tenant space um in order to be able to provide enough space to have six tenant panels to be able to advertise all the the current tenants that are in the development right now um the amendment is requesting ing to basically just add 28 ft to the existing 46 um I 56 ft that's already allowed for that that Monument sign um it's not it it will not change the total number of signs allowed on any property throughout the PCD um the sign will still have to meet all the Land Development code requirements so the only request is basically to allow that additional 28 square ft on this one Monument sign here in this corner because it's it's a prominent um corner for the entire PCD and because this property sits pretty far back off the road because of that large fdot right away um the applicant is asking for that additional square footage also because a lot of the sign is is they're hoping to be able to feature that catfish Commons kind of themed um signage for the overall PCD so that is the request before you um I'm here to answer any questions the applicant's also here to answer any questions you might have question for pennies Stan uh none here Scott uh will the sign actually be any taller than what the current requirements allow no they're not asking for anything um as far as like the height the design standards everything else will meet current code what current code allows it's just that additional square footage so that you could fit um so that within that height you could fit another panel cool MH thank you Mark no questions Tom no those are the questions I had was about the height it didn't look like anything else would Chang in just the number of panels on there so thanks Lance is there a design for this District or is there any certain criteria as far as the signage or or or anything for this District so it's it's um there is an amendment several years ago that that removed a lot of the very super specific design requirements with Florida vacular it's still within that kind of Florida Mediterranean Coastal um vernacular within that uh Port Orange Town Center but in general it it meets the the architectural requirements throughout the city signs are required to kind of have a consistent look to match the building see I was hoping that with this area and this new building that that sign would be a little bit more modern than just a standard six panel standup sign that you have in front of Lowe's you know I thought that this would be maybe something a little bit Upp or a little bit Bouie different with the with the district you know what I mean but you yeah okay I don't have any issue with it but the applicants here if you'd like to speak to him about the design come on down you know you wna he didn't get paid unless he gets through the mic that's right came in for I was gonna say does he get paid 20 years down the road we'll talk about that U Brendon grith um cish Commons developer 4190 Halifax um yeah so I guess you know be honest with you I wrote I'm involved with writing the the restated MDA and the original MDA so you know a little bit unwise where you know because we got the uh multi other tenants could go on the sign approved but not knowing the sign um code you like the back of my hand I just didn't realize that each panel has a sign also sign square foot requirement and then if you back in four four panels you you run out square feet at 56 I think or whatever the numbers are so just uh unwise on my part to have it built in on the first round knowing that um we had you know catfish could go on there lock Cantina can go on there per our current MDA we just don't have the square footage available um as far as the sign goes I mean Don Bell's our you know contractor we submit to them for different renderings and this is was a two that came back you know with the two options I'm certainly a little bit above my head of what we're capable of I don't know all the sign lingo or the types of signs available we allowing them to produce the the renderings and the the available signage I guess they could always draw to an extreme but um this is what they came back with we are going to go with a right-and version with the catfish kind of on that top left corner with the catfish Commons it just felt a little bit more and a little bit more um distinct to us but that's the one we've already put the deposit down and we didn't realize this until after we put the deposit down then they kind of called City Hall and says by the way you can't we won't permit that sign so but each tenant gets to have a sign on the building itself too though correct the four tenants on the building will have a sign per code above the space absolutely so there's four tenants in the building there's four there's four I guess there's not four tenants there's four Bays available okay so then why do we need six signs because we have the ability to advertise other users within the PCD within MD which is ant catfish which is lock antina which is potentially a marina which is approved so that gave us flexibility to kind of highlight some other users knowing that this is kind of what you know kind of the entrance I guess to the development knowing that um okay it's in our eyes it's bigger than one progress I wasn't picking that I wasn't picking up on that I thought it was just for the building okay yeah no no no this is um certainly on the build on the property itself where the new building is but we can put in theory for the MDA we can put in catfish and loock cantina would be the two examples I would use I got you because it's all part of the I got yeah and we we've used this as like an entrance sign to a bigger development versus a single sign for 6400t building so that's our theory on the process but yeah I mean we hope hopeful to get your support you if you've driven by you see the activity yeah yeah uh the steel Works in they should have finished today but there's a little hiccup on the on the structural drawings versus what we have on the property so the engineers de with that today so they were supposed to finish this afternoon but they didn't and uh I see the the kind of the decorative foam going on the top of the block wall today so it's starting to take on a certain feel you know and it's going to change pretty quick here in the next 3 months we think so I don't know if we're supposed to ask if or not but Duncan Donuts moving in there there's no signed tenants um certainly I have a ton of have a ton of emails and communication from Duncan um no sign tenants at this time okay I have nothing else anything Tom no I'm good thanks brenon yeah Mark no I'm good Scott yeah I'm I'm looking forward to it and I I like the right hand side sign as well so and that was the most expensive one probably why I was drawn to it just by chance it was most Brendan's taste you couldn't step it up with the moving catfish that no get the wind going that's what I'm saying but I will tell you the building signage um like up on above the the spaces is going to be that backl what I call like a halo effect you know so um there going to be individual letters with a halo effect so it won't be the channel letters I guess it'll be letters with the lighting behind so it'll kind of have a glow behind it so we we feel like that'll be a classy look on the boat yeah really we really are trying to give effort you know the flower boxes plant boxes and you know the different finishes that we're putting on it oh absolutely you're definitely in the focal point now that's nice I have nothing so back down appreciate any comments from the public nothing any other questions or discussion for Penny no roll call Stan Schmid yes Scott stagger yes Mark bowling yes Maria Mills Bennett yes bo b Lance green yes Thomas Jordan yes motion passes thank you Brandon thank you Brandon supp these uh next to number five and six we're opening up together but we will need separate motions and separate votes for that um number five application comprehensive plan Amendment small scale future land use map Amendment case number cpam m-24 -002 and item number six application MDA Amendment Second Amendment to the Ultima shopping Village planned commercial development PCD and master development agreement MDA case number pza a-24 d003 can I get a motion for each of those make a motion to approve case number CPA m-24 00002 I'll second Motion in a second need do items number six I'll make a motion to approve case number P R Za a-24 d003 second perfect and we get Tim lucky us Tim bman Community Development I get this one since I was the one who did the original MDA and probably should have saw this com in and known not the do with the office resident transition on here so I get to go ahead and try to resolve this one so the subject um here is basically what we're talking about is really the purple area that's shown on the shown on there there that's the amendment area currently the future land use for that is office residential transition when we adopted the MDA Amendment for altimira we had that future land use apply to that portion of the property and listed the permitted uses on that as office um there and along with the single family home that existed there could remain as long as basically did not get abandoned once it got abandoned it was non-conforming so fast forward 12 years the single family home has been abandoned so it cannot be reused to a single family home and looking back on it having an office building at that location does not make sense and most likely would not be able to fit in that location then so the property owner who is also the applicant has purchased the property and they are looking to renovate the existing single family home into their permanent residence then so in order for that to occur we have to change the future land use from office residential transition to the rural residential and then change the MDA amendment to allow single family home as a permitted use also establish setbacks for that and then remove the um existing commercial uses as permitted then so we have a future land use amendment to change the 7 Acres from Office residential transition to rural residential and then an MDA amendment that removes commercial uses as permitted states that one single family home is allowed on this and then also establishes the setbacks for the structure and also in the event that a structure has to be rebuilt what those setbacks would be along with the accessory structures then so staff is recommending approval of both the future land use Amendment and the amendment to the um ultim Master development agreement questions for Tim Lance so I'm confused I I again sat on this panel during the timira writing and all of it and I always thought that this was supposed to be a r rtion pond in front of it this area right here that is the retention Pond but that is carved out in the plat as a track then so that is not part of lot n the retention Pond is a track that is owned by the owners of the shopping center so so that is not that's not yeah that would be this area right here East here is the pond that is not part of this at all that is still retained by the so how is this in how so how is this in the alamira um property or or within their they basically purchased some of that in here this lot n was the back portion of it which is not being changed and is covered by conservation futur land use was used for the tree preservation for the overall shopping center so this property was basically purchased to have tree preservation and also two they carved out the pond from the the original property then so what you see outlined here in blue the 1.7 acres is identified as lot n on the plat but isn't that part of their total count and all their calculations and all their Green Space requirements from when they built The BJs and all I thought all this property was never to be touched because it was part of this calculation it is part of the calculation but the property did allow for basically an off the office resent or professional office uses to be there so you could develop an office on there a long as you being there but I didn't think I nobody's ever going to do it you know I mean as far as it is set up for the calculation so by allowing this amendment to go forward we're pretty much guaranteeing that you know you won't go near what basically we intended for that property to have in terms of impervious because the existing single family home will be there will be renovated we don't have parking lots or more buildings going on there then so this basically is really restoring it to probably what it should have been a residential home and not allowing commercial on this side of Taylor Road so okay so um is there a COO currently on that house a certificate of occupancy the owner basically um the applicant is going to do Renovations on it so he'll be pulling a building permit through us then but currently there is not no because it's been abandoned we could not find any way you know we couldn't find any records of it had continually been used the last record we have had been used with 5 years ago how do you access this property there is a driveway that is right um kind of right on this side right here MH that kind of goes up through here and then goes to the house then so it does have a access actually the driveway was part of the improvements that was done with timir 12 years ago so access is to the house um on there then and um you know water sewers available in the house then and then you know just if this gets approved he will do the renovations to make it his residence okay and then what is it in a flood zone the house is not okay all right that's all I got such an odd piece of property the house isn't that um Tom yes so so the overall property right now is zoned as office transition the off the over all prop the future land use for the property which we show here I'm sorry basically you can see here you kind of got the this is it right here on this side here the dark green is conservation right the pink is office residential transition so basically that's what you've got there the overlying zoning is PCD because it's part of the ultim PCD when you go to the md8 agreement for that document it says on lot n the permitted uses in the office residential transition area are anything own professional office so medical office regular office restaurant Health Club all those could technically be uses that could you someone could bring a site plan in and try to put one of those on this lot as it currently stands today and when you're saying that you're talking about the portion that is in the pinka in in just in this lot specifically right we're not touching anything that has to do with the green right that stays conservation right and what we're going to do is we're going to take out the office residence transition right make it the lighter green which is your lowdensity residential which is what's on bogs for Road correct it's consistent with everything around it the green part is actually the b19 canal isn't it no I mean the canal is down further in this part here this is more the tree preservation area that you know is in this chunk of the green here then but as you can see by going you know to the green then it's more consistent with what's around there then and to kind of to come back to the pond area Lance the um because of when we did the altimira everything over there was applied the office residential transition future land use the area that's outlined in pink right here on the proposed map then that is the tract that is where the retention Pond is which is owned by the timir or the owner of the shopping center then which is not part of this application at all right and that that area so it's a retention area now but it could no it cannot but it has land use it has land use but the MDA says the only can be a retention area right so you don't have to worry about it so that's never going to well it it isn't going to change unless somebody tries to change the MDA right right and you'd have to vote for that right and so I mean this parcel is is always going to be part Well for now it's all part of this MDA it's all part of the multimer right I mean we looked at basically whether you could take it out and just do conventional zoning there but the problem with that is that the tree preservation for altimir is tied to it then so exactly that's where we had to go with the MDA Amendment and ala sold this piece of property to this gentleman yes it's a it's a legal Lotter record when we did the plat we established it at the lot nine of the plat and it was a piece of property that could be sold just like one of the out Parcels of the shopping center who' have thought that would happen yeah mind blown I said the same thing I wish we had thought about that 12 years ago we and we wouldn't be here today then so um but you know like I said you look at what could be there and what's proposed to be there and I think it's basically better fit for the neighborhood oh yeah and it's more consistent with that area than to do a single family home there and um you know over it'll improve the Aesthetics of that thing because someone will be taking care of that property um better than it is right now well I always remember remember being there going they're never going to build an office here so not going to worry about it it's always just going to be green or whatever and never thought this would come before us here but and the appc get speak there but his intention is just to renovate that existing structure there so the existing structure will be made there will just be renovated to the residence so you'll see it overall better Improvement on that side of the road got it you good to is that a pave pave road then I guess that the driveway yeah the driveway is a concrete driveway that goes back there then yeah I remember seeing that that's right yeah um so let me ask you a quite weird question so what are our rules on on uh airbnbs you know rentals we can allow can we allow any do we allow those in any residential area they're allowed in residential areas then the only thing I can restrict if an HOA has specific regulations and they have to comply with the state requirements which is none here obviously okay all right gotch you thanks Mark my questions were the and egress I drove by at this point it's very narrow out yeah there 10 foot wide driveway there and we you know the applicants already gone out there and done some maintenance in terms of the maintaining the grass around there then so you can get in and out then then once becomes his residents that will be maintained just like anyone else's yard and approve this basically informs to the rest of the neighborhood like yeah and further east trch over here now the other way it's part part of the that's the storm water Pond for timir and the P to the right the church yeah yeah um any question Scott I think it's a much better use of the property than could happen absolutely Stan so I think we already referred to this but you said it's not in a flood zone area the the house is not which is the key do we want to hear from the app here the applicant is here do you want to hear from the applicant gentlemen Y come on up sir I'm assuming it's you you're the only sir in the audience besides [Laughter] him please state your name and address for the record um my name is Harry Parsons 890 Taylor Road questions for Harry Parsons Dan Scott how long do you think it'll take to renovate the home um I currently right now since I purchased it I put the um a construction policy on it you know what I mean Insurance wise so I have 8 and a half months to go it's not really that bad a shape I'll say that I mean it needs a roof inside a little bit dry work but that's other than that that's about it nice I mean the tile's nice I would consider redoing a kitchen you know but that's down the road yeah and the in and from that Vis Taylor Road gives you no issues no sir not at all I mean the only thing ibly looking into a little bit more would be some type of fencing up front because a lot of people like to go there park on the side of the bridge and go fishing you know what I'm saying so that's the only thing I'd be concerned about because that's my responsibility for some that's hurt you know what I'm saying and then i' like to more trees in front of it so you can't even see it no I'm good so you going to live there that's my intention it's a beautiful backyard just to walk through so I'm saying that's a neat little piece I never thought it could ever be sold off but you um yeah it was when I seen the for sale sign go up when it was subdivided I jumped right on it called a realtor so interesting well yeah all right well cool you don't mind you know you know they have a school right down the street there right so you have have school right down the street you know the traffic High School generates yeah yep just don't leave it school times good point going to be the issue you'll be fine especially the first day of school all right well that's all I have uh I have nothing so thank you very much sure any comments from the public Susie nothing J wants to go to dinner yes she's like I want dinner okay so we need separate on this so can I get a rule call for case number cpam m-24 d002 okay Stan Schmidt yes Scott stagger yes Mark bowling yes Maria Mills Bennett yes Bobo faming Lance screen yes Thomas Jordan yes motion passes can I get a roll call for case number P RZA a-24 d003 Stan schmith yes Scott Stager yes Mark bowling yes Maria Mills Bennett yes Bo Lance green yes Thomas Jordan yes motion passes thank you very much commissioner comments do you have anything down there Stan no probably Scott I'm good sorry I miss you guys last week or last month mark got nothing Tom I'm good thank you very Lance no I'm good to go staff comments nothing not even to Stan's comment any public comments hearing none motion to adjourn second meeting adjourned that was quickie e e e e e e e e e e