##VIDEO ID:D-Z1eFkS2V0## um so there's all of that stuff that exists kind of today if you were to build new um and I just found out today about some of the lifting issues that U if the the base home unit can be lifted but any acutron that are added on create problems for the lifting exercise so um and I assume that there's additional cost and all of that associated with but if the homeowner isn't aware of that beforehand that may be something to uh get clarification around uh so that was a learning here recently for me and I just one last point one of things and I know uh someone said this in a presentation to council about all this that we we are small so we can be a good incubator for all these ideas right and and so again it may not be that that that you know you have the solutions but you have some ideas and then it's working with the state or the feds to say hey we have an idea let's let us do this in some way and we can Pioneer to see or Pilot to see if it's going to work or not so I like that I said that he said that well there you go so but we have to get something out so I think if we can get some more information that you can share with the group as far as what you've learned on that if we were to do this then I think we can ask the other question about to the city is that okay say we were to do that what kind of brownie points do we get from the CRS standpoint if we enhance the codes is that 10 points or is it 100 points so what would be good to know is let's go after the things that give us 500 points not 10 points so if we could at least get meet on the bone then we can flp that kind of stuff around I think okay um Linda do you have an update for us um yeah I I had a meeting scheduled with the um or voice gentlemen and he had to cancel so I do have a meeting scheduled for Wednesday with him so um he had to cancel the last meeting so we rescheduled for this Wednesday good deal so I I'll get then and tell I really want to ask him to come if that's good with you guys um and at least listen in to see what we're doing and hopefully he'll do that um but that that's kind of what I was thinking so he can get on board as well with us is that something that you guys would be interested in absolutely kind of my goal in wanting to get with him so um to have him come out and get involved so uh I have a meeting Wednesday and I will I will let Ashley know and she can scooch out everything that he says to me and I'll pass it on to her and she can pass on to you guys good deal um Chris Leeds said had said that he's trying to coordinate with u Mark Bellis at Pasco County and they're GNA propose some dates for potentially uh getting with us and to share their resiliency plan what they're doing so far so they hasn't locked in on that but hopefully we'll have that maybe before the the holidays but uh so we'll see on that and then he's also uh working with Mike Durant trying to get with the energy and uh Educational Center to try to get those folks uh engaged again trying to get as many people on the same page working together if we get the state park we D MC um right in aond that's uh this size has more might so let's go with that um darl I don't have anything in particular but since you're here tonight are there any things that uh as we started our first meeting things that are on your mind that you'd like to address if you could share with us uh just to put you on the spot of course uh but uh things that come to mind things that you'd like to see come out of this that would be helpful uh from your standpoint so right now um I'm working with Matt we're working internally on a bunch of uh storm water issues right now um you know Che some of the roads out and how we spoke before and you know um you know a lot of these open swes I do want to see get closed up um reason being is create a lot of mosquitoes create a lot of bugs um just aesthetic reasons and and it's just more maintenance so that's kind of where I'm at with some of the stuff for internally what we're doing as for our we just found all that stuff uh all that extra money in their mat that we're GNA continue to work on doing studies to get what we need to and uh get what we can done with it for us so on the U on storm water piece from the county that ships stuff Downstream to us um do we have any idea which part you talking about I'm sorry which you said from the county right any storm water Upstream of us um that's coming down do you know how much uh retention capacity the County Indoor City have le us provide buffering or is there a way we can find out so we actually receive all of us9 as well from dot that all comes to us as well so that piece on us19 more down south flows into that body of water on Old Coast Road and they have no retention capabilities it all comes to us can we potentially look at influencing them to establish some capability to help us we can they just cleared out all that uh their rideway down there that goes to uh miles um off of 19 M there used to be a right there right there yeah flows down then goes across and goes into that then that goes out into the canals through the canal through blueo and comes out but so we take we take all of US1 19's water right there's the attention that's their retention or our retention our retention it's ours that's where it goes where where I'm going is can we potentially Put the monkey on them yep to establish retention let them do their exercise as far as if there's space they need to acquire or something on that or like they've done with all the new out here you go off of 52 they built sizable retention areas so put the monkey on their back to do so if I can step on his toes here for a second so so the the potential for retention off of 19 here is a point between here and here right so we we know this retention is serving this the storm water right now and under most circumstances it's not an issue where it's an issue is when you have storm water event and a high tide that's when we have an impact on our residents then too much water coming in no way from the water to get out it just Rises and so the only to me the only way there's there's two things would need to be done one we have to increase this retention area correct right and we have to clean this area you know one of the thoughts is that there are some new ways to handle the way the water is stored in through here um you know potentially wiing that channel out I mean you you lose you lose property that could be I got you you lose some developability of this land by doing that because this land here is you know one private there used to be like a golf cart or go-kart place there or something it probably could be developed yeah so you would lose that ability but you know you could create a larger channel that would go into a larger um you know whether it's retention or contention the a benefit to that then is in nonstorm Water Events when you have a very high tide and and again if we accept that the Tide's going to keep going up higher higher every year you would have a place for that water to come in and back fill so it's not flowing back into these areas here and one of the studies I had done is with that section right there is with that whole coming off us9 with that Canal so so I think you know from our standpoint one of the things we can do is we can look at this this uh drainage area that's on either on our property or along the roadway right and look to improve that ditch on our own to a certain degree but there's property that could be acquired um that would allow this to be expanded and create a a a larger area for protection well let me ask you this um we have this vacant Pro here okay if the state were to acquire that do we get any tax revenue from the state nothing so basically okay our problem is is that we can't dig down to get a retention area because water T you're just going to get it's going to be always full of water so you're not you're just going to be defeating that's why if you look at everything it floats out right so all of our all of our inverts are at low tide they need to be raised higher so they're not filling up on high tide so everything still has time to to be to flow out well let me tell you what what I'm thinking is is that close off all clovers that go out okay everyone everyone all right and then have pumps that pump out uh a nether okay since we're a unique situation here we're low okay we've got the state that isn't caring for their stuff they're dumping the monkey on us okay so I'm saying hey all right let's figure out some other things that we can do on this and let's let's look at shutting everything down and then putting pumps in place with backup capabilities yada y yada so we can stem that problem that we have that's 100 years old because that's how we handled storm water but just do something completely different so then these can come become holding areas because they're not con connected to the gulf we control the water goes out so we find areas like here or maybe associated with the state park we try to find some things there that we have recharge and control in our destiny if you will from a 2070 intermediate high doah so when you talk about pumping it out where's your where's your idea or thought we're gonna It ultimately goes It ultimately goes out the can but it goes out after it's clean all right because our holding areas are built to contemporary standards for better water treatment so we improve the water quality and then we pump it out when the time is right because we have capacity that's why I was asking about capacity Upstream of us I don't want people continueing to dump on us when we're just trying to control our destiny here so we don't get anything from that from the East side everything's on the comes from the west side so I think on the east side goes to so we have so you have the picture so here's kind of some of the drainage here 19's like the divid so there's like whole bunch of drainage here that comes off onto Congress yeah part of it follows this path here yep where they're working out on Spring right and it goes to Warner voice yeah so that's that's something that they're they're actually the C working on right now increase B comes from Magnolia right so again they flushing stuff down to us we'll have to contend with from a rain event or a high water event because that's a gravity situation right so anytime the do decides to be higher this is all going to be nonfunctional to some level so again what I'm trying to do is hold your own at critical times now be a situation where I need you to hold your own we need buffer capacity so you see some assist you get your capacity in on your property okay in your governance area and then give us some breathing room here for the storm event because we're preparing for the storm so 48 hours in advance for example we're working with the MC we do these things we close the floodgates you've got to be able to have the capacity to stand that down so that's kind of where I'm wondering instead of taking taking more traditional approach kind of thinking about okay hey I can't build up the city okay I don't know how to do put it that way so but if I could stem the water maybe that helps me and I put the monkey on somebody else rather than us taking the monkey so you're you're you're just addressing storm water event non blood non non ination if I have buzer capacity in here because I've stemmed it outside of mine whatever buffer capacity I have for that flood I've got more than what I had before because I've told them to St assist I don't know so essentially you're wanting that to be dry maybe yeah well just they were clear so the two hurricanes affected us two different ways yes so our our issue came from here yes came in flood indiction we didn't have floody we have rain mil our flooding is coming from back here right and so difference is again this this trailer part here when Lan hit had very little water right when milon hit had lot water because of this they and backed up from yeah right and and the other thing which wanted to get to as well is that there is a connection between kind of this this drainage and in this and so we had an issue in in Candle because Pond was floody it couldn't get out right could the water get out is because right down there comes down here and then it goes out to the river and they had so Richie had blockages along their Channel which isn't their Channel it could be their Channel That's you asked yeah and right here this was where the county goes underneath Washington go into the newp rich Channel there was blockage there as well and and what we found out is soon as they cleared all this blockage started going down it took a few days for it to go down but we lost all this lad here it clears up the issue and so one of the things we need to do put down is what's all the emergencies out of the way is to sit down with both Newport and the county to figure out this whole drainage because I think you know part of it is is our properties are draining into it and you know they're Wetlands they can p a lot of water but they all flow through the same bot plus you know we're getting large areal development that probably is coming somehow into this area as well sure and so that's where we started having issues with getting the county their drainage Aline with what's happening so I I agree with what you're saying just can I jump in here regarding that and it kind of supports what you're saying K the last flooding event we had um Candlelite I had 18 inches of water at my driveway and Road um 21 at the at the end of the culde ACT my neighbor across the street he just told me during these events he because we was so full with water he followed and the county was was pumping into some place over there I can get the details from him but that was what filled us up so it kind of supports what you're saying call and it kind of it's both of you together it's what you're saying together it's they po pumping to get rid of their stuff they put it someplace and then probably couldn't get out because it was and I had almost two foot of water at my driveway and street so it kind of supports what you're saying badly overgrown right there and it's very slow to drink the natural behavior is going to be get rid of the water where I am correct okay we already know that on um on rowing Embassy whatever they put the pumping station that they can push stuff across over rolling in order to have it go I think gravity feed after that I'm not aware of any other pumps but if uh again I'm trying to see if we can figure out put a thumb in the Dyke all right through the Upland areas and and more importantly Put the monkey on their back to do some things and I don't know how we have a a more Regional storm water stuff I know they're going through their storm water planning now what the outcome to that we have no idea but I'm just thinking if we could just kind of throw a little wrinkle into this and get the state and the county to be looking at us differently than we are being well you're Downstream is what I'm trying to figure out if we could do something like that and the only way I could do figure out how to do that because I I believe most of the development in the county is under built from a capacity standpoint they can say 24 hours and all that I don't drink the Kool-Aid because once it tops out then it goes Downstream that's the way it it works so we're Downstream be at the river or somewhere else so if we could that's one task the second task may or may not be more complicated but it really depends on our elevations and stuff so if we did something like Venice or houst is there a way we can do this to deal with that 5et of water is that economically feasible or not and if we do something here is that good enough do we have buffer to the north and to the South where that accomplishes something or no we got too many things here that a wear here not a we uh a gate here or there is not going to Sho give us that protection so one of the studies was down on the south side was um we we have to do it with the engineers was limestone yes Limestone and Marina Palms because that all goes back kind of what in a sent you were saying but just a makeshift one for now so this this comes like this yep goes through goes down goes all the way here cross olner goes down comes down here and then goes right here at the end of B okay that's how far this travels when it gets time how far W it's always wet there too so what I was talking to the engineers with is right here put a plug in the storm B okay and see what it does see what it does if this all drains out and everything well then you know right work then you can then you have that that's one of the things but because the the people think some people think not everybody but as the tide comes in everybody thinks the water is going to keep Rising rise and rise and rise and rise and then flood well it doesn't do that it's just like gravity it's only going to level it's going to level out as far as it as it goes sure you know so if you end up plugging this and it works and these people don't flood then you know you have something here to be able to alleviate all this and then you can use this stuff as drainage off Limestone and everything else well the other thing with these you put a flap in and then when the water builds up and the tig out just put opens up and pushes out or can we do something with the property here develop that is going to be a development I think here okay so again with development what type of Standards should we have in place for a higher for development so to adorate potential water or inherently build capacity in that is above and beyond if you're in you know if you're on this side of this 19 for development we need to have twice your engineer typical design capacity or some of it also has to do with the mang gr so for example here where the marina is on on Fisher and Limestone this one water can't drain out because the mangr have created a map right we have created so you could help with this storm and let it drain out this way when the tide gets low but it doesn't it takes a while because of the M from making well and that's the interesting part about the green protection yeah is that uh it goes again to our codes uh on M Groves and stuff because generally people think they're but uh uh some of the stuff that I've seen as little as 15 to 20 ft of Mangrove can actually stem your water flow for some period of time all right so getting the experts in place to say well what is that you know maybe what we do is start planting mangroves in these areas you know if we extended this here by certain amount and then so all of these things kind of contribute I I want to do them all but it's like okay we just need the information so we could make some reasonable recommendations to the city and I don't feel like we have so when it comes to mang GRS D they have residents and home SL home owners can trim their own mangroves with no permit because it's on their four feet right yeah even if it's eight feet they can trim it down to four but if it's on government property whatever it may be you have to have a permit or somebody specialized in mango trimming to to come Tri that has R license in it but as a homeowner if you wanted to go cut them in your backyard you don't need that is that what our Cod this supersedes the code for our city no I understand that but I thought we've given violations for people cutting their own mangroves in the past if we have it in our code it would supersede way well that I understand that but that that then we need to certainly address that immediately what we can do is uh if we believe something having to do with mangroves we need to get it out there on what we want to do if we believe that there should be no trimming that's a recommendation to go forward with correct but we just to have where does that fit into our puzzle right and and that part I don't know yet um so I would I think mangr potentially be a big winner for us but I just don't know how to play it right now um okay well I think that was probably a little bit more than I was hoping for but it kind of feeds into the half adaption planning piece because storm water was a big component of that um and that I hope let's not take a lot of time but if we could take a little bit of time did anybody have an opportunity to go through the half stuff at all I I went through it probably when it was originally sent to me so it must have been a month and a half ago that was pre pre- storm so were there things that jumped out of that for you that you thought were really important I keep coming back to these bio swales just in general um where we need you know obviously more water retention and swailes of some kind or another I don't necessarily know that I like the bio Swale thing because it's it's a lot of Maintenance just a lot of Maintenance and they clog up and they get inundated after you know what as it's friendly stuff you know that it's less or whatever it may be they usually generally less but if you put stuff that's not like people like kind pepper trees um but if you keep it fla friendly right the bio swells do work at times as long as they're for friendly and and assult resistant so but I I I um you know I see a lot of uh you know swes in the city where you know they're just just you know we need to put them underground and cover them over um but that really is something that's you know really stuck out to me because a lot of this other stuff you know we can try to do it but um we need to like raise the roads and there's like bigger projects that need to be done um so it's hard to know which one to really nip at you know what I mean in in in short form so okay um L anything jump out nothing really okay um darl do you have have you looked at the half stuff in the past no right okay cool all right all right well um I gone through it and I think the part that kind of jumped out to me was how much of this for uh the 2070 intermediate high it's like 50% and then for the 100-year storm it was like 80 5% so those types of things kind of got my attention that means we got a whole bunch of our citizens that are having serious problems with water um the transportation routes that was part of my questions on that the things that I think are highly important from our community to the citizenry is I want to make sure my drinking water is good my stor water and my sewage uh goes away and I access things in and out on the roads so as I've looked at this that's the stuff that I came away with is being most important so hence the conversation maybe more about storm water than we wanted I just thought that those are kinds of things that are important to or are probably important to our community um the storm water I think we had enough conversation about that um but I I think the one thing that I wanted to try to orient around is looking at that what do we target to all right so if I was to say um the 2070 intermate was something I'd like to be able to protect against and let's do all our storm water with that in mind let's look at our roads with that in mind let's look at everything with that just so we have a reference point to see okay what does that mean and then we can tag dollars onto it and if it's a gazillion dollars we know probably can't do that but if we at least could a agree on let's look at it from this perspective this starting point I that might be a good place to get to um there were like 15 flood scenarios that they talked about in there and at one point in time I thought the state was arguing for like an intermediate High Matt do you guys have any perspectives on what uh the expectations are for us in that Arena or no I don't I don't think anybody there's been anything from the state that's coales to this is what we want you to be planning for I think actually that's part of what their strategy is by giving money to all the communities to get the vulnerability analysis and the adaption plans done so they they get that wouldn't say for free but they would get it more granular by by area and my expectation would be that that's the next thing from the state is once they have all these done and they have all that data they come back and say okay now this is what we think the the state's policy needs to be cities you have to plan to this okay well how about would anybody be opposed to use the intermediate high as a initial Target point for us to look at and and I I would say if I remember right from the resiliency uh conference there back in May whatever was um I think that's what most communities are looking at is that intermediate High yeah that my Rec elction was that but that's been a few years so I just wanted to make sure so for our purposes when we're looking at things from a a water level standpoint you can go into the study and see what that is the intermediate high but for our initial efforts on things that we do let's let's use that is a starting point if we feel like the 100-year uh event is something we come into think is more relevant because this is something from a storm water the 100e 1% deal is kind of a a stalwart but for our purposes to get going why don't we use the um intermediate High Target for 2070 as a as a starting and so any work that we do around storm water or whatnot uh roads let's see what if we can get those elevations uh through so you believe we have stuff for the storm water catch bases if not I can not catches I'm sorry the mans if not we have a nice little trle GIS unit I can to get you the elevations because the the major roads even if we had a real course grid that would be better than nothing um but it so Bay gr Washington and no no there was something else there was Pine Hill Pine in the half study Pine Hill Grand Washington and that's pretty high so Pine Hill actually flows to that open piece of land next to the um retirement for that Fountain is oh okay so does it flood it's h rain yeah but it's usually really low like the water's low the water level is low like you can have more intake there if you need it during it was up yeah oh wow but now it's like reeded down a lot because they're saying I think the study was looking at the transportation routes with the major transp or critical Transportation routes not sure the exact wording but the 100e storm event they're saying 95% of those roads would be inundated uh so in my mind um we got 608 70% of those are inundated for the intermediate high now where they are we get some elevation we can kind of see okay which ones are more of a priority where do we look first yeah and then we can incorporate storm water and other things with that as far as recommendations at at that point in time how the crown of the road the top of the road elevations or do you want the storm I I would do the crown if if we what's going to be more useful I mean if you need those elevations of the uh manle covers and then you got a secondary of crown at that location that would be fine if they're off center Center but just make it useful to so that at Pine Hill just so you guys know at Pine Hill where that Li station is across next to the retirement home that's going to be your lowest point stations are always at your lowest points so it's going to be higher where Leo kid is and higher because and higher where wash is because both FL Hill there's nothing in the middle so they both flow one flows from Leo kid one flows from Washington and then goes into the list station so that Biddle is you're going to be your lowest point because brief conversation I think I had with Matt you said that there were some funding for because stations were saying about I don't know uh half or at risk or yeah and we 27 yeah and did we get generators we're working on that right actually as we speak and is there is there a way to um get those panels to be like not um not a explosion proof but you know more like a an I when you have the Salt Air and everything it kind of ruins the the tightness of it you know um so the only way to get them from flooding is to can we do that because I noticed when we when we work when we worked on them prior you know the motors are fine right because those are you know industrial it's the panels the panels right those pumps are designed to be underneath water sure but when you get the panels that flood then they're like an extreme Duty grade when when I talked to uh at Chasco well any actually it's anywhere so you guys see the water level on the house this what I wasn through Fe when emergency response people so wherever the water line is on the houses or wherever may be where you see them you you add 20% to that that's actually how high the water got that line is where the water finally settles on so as you ponder that um what what we've talked about our lift stations is looking at it from three different perspectives um and this all goes back to mitigation funding and the first the first thought is why why were the lift stations put there obviously we know they were put there because it's low spot but there's secondary reason the secondary reason is it it cost us a million dollars to run this pipe or it cost us $500,000 to put a lift station in um now what I would say first thing is let's understand what that deliberation was and if it was a cost $150,000 to run the pipe and $50,000 to put the lift station in I think that's a number that probably we could get funding through um the mitigation grants to actually eliminate the lift station because if you consider that that we we spent probably 67,000 a lift station to get up and running what you say per and if we see this 10 times you know we're spending a lot of money that we don't need to spend right so understanding that and finding out what ones can be eliminated we get grant funding to eliminate is one the second one is what can be lifted if we can Elevate panels so it's not going to be inundated in any way then that's the next mitigation that we need to do but there's going to be situations where there just there's not enough room room or it's too costly to lift or you know whatever it is um then then we have to look okay how do we make this as waterproof as possible and understanding that we may have to go back every three to five years and re-waterproof you know that box but that's just what we do because we don't have any other choice do do we have any sense of excess sewage that was processed during the storms I mean I don't know how we're bu from but I do know that at least in pelis county and around Tampa Bay there were I don't know hund and some events so where excess water so the hardening piece as far as how do I make it water if we could be in a state where you know Port Richie does not provide anything other than sewage to anybody would do business with so the the good news with every realist station going down is that we weren't pumping anything right now now with that being said if we're successful in what we do with the mitigation guess what we're going to be pumping right and then that's that's the issue right is you know how much how much salt water are we going to be pumping into the system and and I'll tell you right now we're going to get a lot of push back from from Newport Richie right you know while they charges whatever that going rate is for a gallon and they can make money off of it it will flood them out and they'll lose money right because of that so so there's going to have to be an understanding that if if we do what we say we're going to do we also have to make sure that we're not pumping a lot of you know inii through the system and we're actually working on that too so South Side hardening if you will do you mind turning your microphone hardening of the system is uh is a component of that if you will yeah so because that's certainly around Tampa Bay it's been an issue over the years and the water quality in Tampa Bay has slid backwards because of some of the events and I wasn't exactly sure what St Petersburg was doing shutting off the water supply until it dawned on me it was because they couldn't handle the sewage treatment out so and I think that this is more more important today from the standpoint of handling regular storm water events because if if those boxes aren't tight not the boxes for the electronics but the boxes where the pumps are and the dryw if well if it's not tight then we're going to be pumping a lot of water storm water out which costs costs us a lot of money right and again doesn't do any favors to uh for Richie either so when we were go when we were going around um we didn't catch anybody but you can tell a lot of these people when their yard floods the first thing they do is they take their cleanouts out because where that water going to go it's going to go right into our system Jesus Christ there's a lot of that people do that everywhere and so that's why we do the smoke testing because some people tie their gutters whatever into their gra into their sewer line for their home and it it it happens a lot so that's the one reason why we do the smoke test to try and stop from all the storm water going in into it into our uh into our system so what we what we can do is do our average over a 12- month period Well then when we do get that storm look at it and see actually how much inii and how much storm water we actually took in gotcha so do a kind of a post potentially a ballpark number it wouldn't be exact but it would be a ballpark number and I can tell you we probably took in a lot of storm water that we should have well that's an area that if if we can figure out I'd love to be able to get some good recommendations on something new in that area because that I think is is key um now the other area I I looked at in addition to this was the water system and um I was a little confused so maybe you guys can help me on it is that we had at the beginning of 24 we had about 30% 25 or 30% uh unaccounted for water sorry uh and then the latest report had us just under 10% so okay so there was a glitch in the system they weren't counting for the irrigated water they were they were charging it but they weren't accounting for the usage on the spreadsheet which we caught which when they sent it to me and the water plan we comb through it caught it and then once those numbers were plugged in that's how we got below the percentage so the historical Trend was error perpetuate correct okay so we feel pretty conf confident in that we're still only at like 8% right now we monitor it every month we have some months where we're um higher than others it's just how but we are also changing out a ton of meters where they weren't being registered before now they are we had like 400 meters that weren't registering we're changing them out that are everything is being accounted for now so how concerned do we need to be with seawat or uh sewage water that comes out and inundates our distribution system so the sewage water and everything won't inundate our water system because our water system has more pressure than what the sew what you know it it won't leak into it is that you're like if there was a leak somewhere you're thinking the the sewage will leak into it it'll suck it in if there's there we push out too much water pressure so the water pressure is going to keep the sewage from from going in that makes sense kind of acts like like a back flow it's not like a back siphonage where our pressure now if our we completely turned everything off and we didn't have any water yeah it would leak in there because it would act like a back Cy if I had a leak in the system Downstream of my or of failure in the system Downstream of my leak uh I could suck Water inows by the only the only way you would suck water in is if you have one you're putting out more pressure on your side or two you fall to negative pressure so we don't have to worry about it no well okay generally you don't have to worry about that but I've seen systems where you have a leak you don't know about and you have a fire on that same line that you have a leak and you you're basically sucking all the water out of the uh the line and then sucks you're draw more yeah you have another pump well because they're sucking out yeah 1400 that's what I'm saying if you have more pressure on one side that's where we they would full vacuum on it correct it would back you only you only so that that's that's rare that's that's like you have worst luck in the world that to happen but one of one of the scenarios that we almost faced during the Milton Milton because they lost we lost our well build again yes um so we we went from producing water we turned it off activated the interconnect with Newport Richie and that happened during Helen as well because we lost the Fields was during Milton because of all the impacts of power loss fires everything was going on down the Tampa so Hillsboro Dallas County um Newport Richie was actually starting to get a lower pressure they were producing more than they were intaking and so play that over a longer period with a greater you know uh use of the water your scenario could happen because you don't have any pressure in your system and I think it what what's the level where we we would have to we'd have to issue a anything over 20 anything under 20 psi so at the source yes if we lost if we were less than 20 psi at our plan we would have to issue a Citywide B water notice okay but if you're the whole city has pressure and you lose you're less than 20 PSI on Island Drive then you have a break and we would we would shut the water off on there and then we would issue issue thing so so in that scenario you know we were contemplating the potential that we were going to go below the 20 psi because we were on the interconnect because 80% of Newport Rich's water comes from Tampa Bay Water right so Tamp like the Tampa water all their Wells were losing power they were because Tampa got hit hard so right nuclear Rich wasn't able to produce enough water to suffice us and produce their stuff so they were going to turn us off so from from just so the solution from our perspective one is we don't want to lose the capacity of our wells filled so we have to turn on the interconnects that's one second thing is we need more storage and and again if we had a million gallon tank instead of a 225,000 gallon tank this probably wouldn't have been an issue at all we lost lost the wells because generation power generation not an inundation issue I'm working with Duke right now and on top of while I work with getting generators for the wellfield is having the wellfield on its own power source not so when because they get fed off ahead of Boulevard where bandan is with that subdivision the same so that street goes out we lose it out there we need to have our I'm trying to work with Duke for us to get our own our own power so if those people on Heather lose their power we still don't lose power like if it gets like it'll come off of what is that uh Congress right there Congress so comes down Congress goes down Heather and then feeds our water plant as well well if a power line was to fall just past the wellfield hit the power line well if it's on the same strip as those houses then this that we lose power but if one are separate then that if that power line gets hit the wellfield won't lose power also we're getting the generators to try and because there's two Wells out there where we produce the most water and getting generators for those and so we can all we gota do is go out there hook them up fire right back up because these well field these here there's three Wells here right they are off that generator in the back but those so it's off of Congress is where they're they're fed from because I thought there was a substation so this is our brush P right here are wellfield right here so it comes off of here like this so does does the Duke not operate in a a prioritization schema like they used to for hospitals a nice M police departments so that's yeah yeah they're supposed to I mean you know when when we first losten when we first lost we made that request to the EOC to the the uh on Friday yeah the Duke's person's right there they said they would make it priority so it was got turned back on four four or five days later we were just bombarding them and they finally decided oh yeah it is a priority we get it on yeah and they turned back that frustrated how's the generators going though that's because that's you know like like Duke Energy we're going to lose power no matter what in a really bad event so what are doing those transfers what's the power goes on the transfer Search kick on the generator take over and we we actually we put money in the budget to do that for this year and how many generators is that what what kill wants they're all they both going to be 100 80 or 100 okay so well great well that's what we really need because because you know you can't really then we won't have to worry about it again yeah right yeah okay that's awesome okay generators I like generators and we're get them on the four main I really like generators especially big diesel ones they're great so these these were all things that were highlighted half that I kind of highlighted from my standpoint that I thought were important um the the areas as far is uh uh avoidance talked about you know moving new development uh I think of it more from the standpoint we need to have uh more aggressive standards for new development for these things that adversely impact the community and uh uh that's the part that I'd like to try to get on the books or at least some recommendations going forward um sooner versus later that we can pass on to council or for planning and zoning as far as that's some other recommendations that they had in there um as far as getting planning zoning are we aware of anything that Planning and Zoning is doing right now in that Arena as as it relates to half I don't think anything okay um so maybe getting in front of planning zoning and making some recommendations on on that I'll I'll work on that and bring it to coun bring it to the next meeting and uh see if we can't get some things for them to address instead of us addressing okay um the other thing that they talk about and I guess this is where it was standpoint well stricter building codes is one setbacks on the waterfront uh and flood plane development were some of the areas um fire station are we doing anything around the fire station at this juncture um we are so we we have money in the budget for um the preliminary study on uh relocating SL rebuilding new fire station okay we also have a grant in to try to get that paid for through that um but we're also going to be talking right now as part of the mitigation looking at as well um we had uh uh working with the county we we've had a couple different meetings with Army Corps of Engineers and we've submitted uh a lot of these issues to try to get so take a step back so one of the things the Army Corps is saying that as part of these uh intermediary funding that's going to be happening there's going to be a lot of money that follows the emergency and they're going to get a lot of money because of that because they're kind of the follow on to the emergency um and so in meeting County for Richie meeting with the Army Corps they said get into US letters that that tell us that you have an issue and explain what the issue is okay um originally I thought it was going to be one letter but apparently it's two um and so I submitted one for the city and kind of highlighting you know one storm the storm inundation issue and then the second the storm water issues um and depending upon the situation the fire department kind of Falls in both so we at least and I'm waiting for uh to hear back from um we have at least notified them to get in the queue to go to the next step which is okay here's the programs that based upon what you're saying we think we can partner with you on so okay so fire department is in the mix for all these things you know the reality is you're probably looking three to five million and all said and done right um and so you know getting all the funding that we possibly get is is on the table all right the all right those were the the main things that I had highlighted again I kind of focused fused on uh things that I thought were important to the city as far as if as from the citizen standpoint you know emergency response uh and then the utilities area um so I think those were the main takeaways that I had I didn't know are any of the formality stuff like adaption action areas are we is that even in our lexicon in the city per se because those were some the recommendations in half uh they talked about adaption action areas which is a big thing at the state level do that give us any credibility with anybody if we push any of those or I mean more since this this is their their love language at the state the adaption plan um the more that you push it the more you have the ability to to act on so so for inance both the fire department and um Bay Boulevard are were two areas I thought that we could work get the state to actually in the next phase give us money for study so so the fire station was one project we submitted for the next phase of the uh what is that uh how we got the money I can't remember with the program is for the money for the uh vulnerability analysis and adaption plan and so what what the state was doing was as you know they were effectively appropriating the same amount of money every year and early on money only went to the plans now they're almost done but they still have the same amount of money so they're entertaining studies that are you know you implement as part of the the plan and so we submitted for the fire department to get the 50,000 we had budgeted paid for through there and the second one was to do a study of Bay Boulevard primarily in that area that's flooding okay since both were identified within the adaption plan for needs um I can't remember what the the bable may have been like a$2 million study huge number I can't remember what it was um and so we are using that right now to start looking and the the next phase is for the state and that that same whatever that grand program is is then is the implementation which is the construction dollars so that's they're the way that they're looking at it okay all right um let's uh is there any other things that anybody else has on their minds for tonight other than um I'm uh I know this is like a overarching political thing but I'm I'm I'm hoping that there's um a lot of political reform at the federal government and it might actually allow us to well there's everybody laughs but the older generation has kind of been in charge for a long long time and it's just not working that's why I'm having such a hard time even recommending anything because it just costs so much money and it's like we actually need development what kind of development I don't know but um you know I'm just hoping that maybe we can really like dial back or the Federal Government Can dial back like the D and the EPA and the Army Corps and all this nonsense so we can like dredge our canals and actually fix our our place without doing like you know 50 studies for $3 million you know and waiting till you know till Jesus comes back or something you know because it's a long time potentially you know so I'm uh not super super stoked about all the regulatory stuff that's kind of my thing but I'm really I'm I you know I'm really thankful what happened with the elections and stuff and I think that they're they're really going to maybe try to rip out a lot of this nonsense with the government because it's just stuff is getting done anymore in America you just can't do anything you know um it's unfortunate so yeah so when it comes to development um for just for example if the Housing Development comes right there offer or even on the waterfront what you have them do for them to come in you make them upgrade your system to come in they want to build well they have to also it for for storm water reasons if they have to if they're so much water's coming off their property well if we can't take it well they have to do their study or do whatever to upgrade our stuff and our system around the area not like streets away but like just within their property within their street same goes for water same goes for um for sewer for Lift Station if if they're sending out so much uh sewage well and our liist station can't take it well then you make them you make them upgrade and make them do the study well I mean not to interrupt I apologize but uh for example on the building code uh I think we're precluded from using gray water for uh re circulation toilets stuff does that make sense because if I got rid of all the gray water and I only dealt with sewage granted I change the mix at the sewage treatment plant will make the sewage treatment plants unhappy all right but is that something that we should consider for that because I can significantly reduce my volume of output if I'm able to do that well building codes one thing our specification what we allow is different our specification in the utility system storm water whatever supersedes the building code and our and are what the what the city of for Richie owns the private side is one thing once it hits the rideway once it hits say it's a 50 foot right away our specifications what we want supersede any building code well I understand that but all of our sewage treatment plans are predicated on a certain mix of stuff coming and when that mix Chang is that creates problems with treating your sewage so if we were able to do something like that would it be tenable or not because we can reduce the volume of output we change the requirements for the construction to build additional Plumbing in so that is at least designed to be able to do it maybe it's not used but maybe that's what we insist in the design great water capabilities other parts of the country do this we do not but is it something we should consider to reduce the impact on our utilities you mean for irrigation no okay sorry I was looking at something when you started talking so I didn't catch the beginning of it basic separator basically they add stuff in the residence so you can you take your gray water shower water those types of things and use it for flushing toilets okay toilets are one of your bigger users okay and if you can eliminate that or reuse the water it's just like our R water okay I'm not using that even though it's poble it wouldn't happen but so those kinds of things should we incorporate in our codes as it relates to development that reduces the load on our utilities and what how much monies we have to put forth to handle a 100 units well it's really only 50 units because of way we put our standards in place yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't know why couldn't I mean from from the water conservation side it's it's if I'm not mistaken from water conservation in our in our um comprehensive plan it talks about doing things like that but it's I I think there's a problem on the sewage treatment plan so but so so if this is something we're interested in again as far as what those things are we'll go talk to Newport Richie as far as what they can handle because I know they're very specific on the sewage treatment side uh what our perit allows to well it's the mix yeah the mix is what they're get why does that why does that kind of change the mix because you know you're you're you're basically just less water going in it changes the salinity and all the stuff was how they air rate and so it's it's a complicated thing but if we were able to do this it does some other things it reduces our water usage it reduces you know less sizable pumping capabilities less Wells I mean lower I think if in just thinking so the the water conservation piece really doesn't take into consideration the Wastewater piece I mean most of the water conservation is how do you how do you reduce the draw from the ground for the water right right and and so if you think about a recirculation system that's you know nonpotable that you're using for um the toilet you know well it doesn't go down the shower drain and out it goes down the toilet and out right because you're not you're probably not going to recapture for from the non-portable side unless you're using it for years ation you wouldn't be capturing gallon for gallon that's coming out of the shower right you wouldn't be catching gallon for gallon out of the um um the dishwasher or the uh uh washer you wouldn't cat there would still be an amount that's going out of the system um it's by guess I mean I'm not Eng to know this I'm just thinking that you know probably the average shower is going to produce more water than the average T flush and so there's there's probably you know some type of storage device yes and you know how much does that hold and you know once it's full it overflows I'm assuming into the the has to have a separate pump and it overflows into the sanitary sewer system and again depending upon what is being recirculated if it's it filtering I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of different things there that could impact that right so it's just a matter of is this something that we want to consider because it has a significant impact but it involves changing our development standards in the city on what we would we would require whether it's on a residential side whether it's on a multifam side but there are things out there we could do to enable that by us saying that this is important so and again just just from the comprehensive plan standpoint you know we we are supposed to be doing things that work towards the conservation of the water system so I mean forgetting the sanitary sewer piece is what we're supposed to be doing as part of the plan well I get any capacity I'll reach out to my sanitary sewer folks on the plant building and see what I can find out yeah because that reuse stuff Car Wash is doing they reuse 96% of their water yes they they put it in separators and then it gets pumped back out back through and then they use it and it's the same thing on your leads construction standards have those types of things for environmentally sensitive so uh if those are things that we think are important that we should bring forward then I just throw them out there so if somebody's interested in some of that go look see what you find out and then we can talk about it next time okay that's all I have you good I'm good good good good good do I have a motion to could just say one thing yes sir I forgot to send this out sorry to send this out but I just wanted you to be aware um Pasco County uh Extension agent Megan Moore had reached out to us this was well before uh the storms happened and wanted to get permission to uh put in a title gauge somewhere in the city and I believe they're looking at Waterfront Park I'm not sure it's either Waterfront it's either Nick's Waterfront or Basher it's one of one of those three places um and it's a small unit but benefit to it is we get the data and they're they're partnering with u says sakur but it's not sakur it's Southeast water level and so we we given them the okay and again I just I kind of lost contact because I signed it someone else to deal with um exactly where it's going but I'll find out brass would be good so we don't have that's where USF had theirs the other good thing is if it's real time it would be the only real time monitor between uh Yankee Town Cedar Key and uh clear water so that would be good and then when we get our water barriers on the river and stuff we could use that specifically to initiate it through artificial intelligence that would be that's a stretch there so um Ashley one thing are we could how's our uh date looking in in December is it de 9th it's the second Monday in December so so that looks good from the city standpoint so December 9th it's a little short cycle here but uh that's will be our next date so we have a motion on the table do we have a second a second all in favor I meour