##VIDEO ID:fOfuFWeGCfo## okay so we call to order the first meeting of the 2125 Coastal resiliency and restoration committee today is September 9th 2024 if we could stand for the pledge flag the United States of America to the repblic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible the liy justice for all okay Linda Rodriguez Carl Roth here Chris Leeds here Ron podova here alen Rose here Devin Aaron here and Daryl Rose and let the record show that Daryl Rose is from today's meeting so the first order of business for you guys is organization and nomination of committee members so if you could have a nomination for a chair you guys can discuss or nominate whichever you I think Carl looks like a nice volunteer [Laughter] Carl run away [Laughter] so is there a nomination for Carl I nominate Carl okay so Chris nominated and de seconded all approve hi nay motion passes all right Carl Take the Lead okay so we need a vice chair uh anybody feeling Dynamic Chris interested yeah have second second all in favor any post we have two folks congratulations okay so what's next on the agenda next is your discussion on the development of 212 res so congratulations everyone I think you're you're at the start of I think a very important initiative by the city I know it's something that city council has a lot of uh belief that this committee is important as we look over the next hundred years on developing a a plan to make us resilient um protect our Coastline which uh is probably one of the biggest assets that the city of Court Richie has look at improving the quality of the waters that flow in and through the city and some of the the issues that come from rising the rising SE that are impacting again the the shorelines the habitats and uh the personal property of a lot of uh for Richie residents um I don't know in the packet we we included the uh the resolution so that all of that's getting put on the yeah so one of the things that we're doing is we're creating a web page that's going to have like all the one of the issues is the things that I normally would be doing for a committee like this I can't do because of the sunshine laws here in Florida um you know obviously you guys can't communicate with each other uh outside of this Mee related business that would be coming for you um as the 2125 commission and we have a challenge of a lot of very large documents for instance one of the the documents is the city's um uh adaption plan and Analysis that shows what all the different risks are for the city related to uh the environment that's it's over 30 megabytes so I can't send that to you um and so but you need to have it because again I think it's something that you're going to look at and say okay here's a starting point that we can um start moving forward with and so our thought was that we put it on the website creating this page will'll be on the website with other important documents that that again will allow you to see the starting point um I don't know if you're paper based or more computer-based um if you're paper based let us know we'll produce those copies for you if you're not paper base um we thought this would be the best way to provide those documents not only for you but also for the residents because again I think this is something that hope as you move along so tonight really um was going to be a conversation on where do you go from here what what is what are the things that you think when you first got told that you were on the 2125 committee what came to mind what what did you think that you were going to do and start laying out then what does that look like in practice you know is there information you want to see are there documents you want to see are there people you want to get in here to talk to um you know we've we've made contact with for instance the resiliency office of Pasco County and I think at some point getting um those individuals uh from the resiliency uh County resiliency would be very beneficial to hear what they're doing um you know for instance they're they're doing we're kind of ahead of them at this point in doing those analysis that we've already done and they're working right now on their adaption plan but their adaption plan covers City of Fort Richie and so we want to make sure that you know what we put in ours our our mitigations and and everything that we're looking to do they have in theirs as well um and again there's there's things that they find very interesting that came out of those studies that they also want to take up so we can actually have two jurisdictions working together toh try to get funding for that so I think a lot of that um they also found it very interesting you know our desires on trying to get an understanding of the the quality of the water here in the city and so they have ideas that could be beneficial to in context that could be beneficial uh for us to get in contact with so again that's an example of sorry people individuals groups other levels of governments you might want to think about bringing in and uh that's what we're here for tell us what you want and we'll get it delivered to you question yes Carl do you mind turning on your mic thanks sir um Mr Copler can you kind of explain uh at least for my benefit and probably maybe the others as well a committee um what exactly is that uh what is it empowered to do you mentioned that there's documentation that we're going to see but I guess from at least a personal standpoint what's the flight envelope uh mean because I in the government Arena I'm not that familiar with it so could you Enlighten us a little bit on that well let me let me take a stab at that if I if I don't if I don't get into that flight envelope you let me know and I'll try it again maybe starting back to why why a committee you know why why isn't this just employees of the city trying to carry this out committees are important within within the government organization because it it provides that that interface with residents you mean you know you yourselves mostly are residents and you have that connection point with people knowing what they're saying know what they're thinking um also have an ability to communicate with them what you're going to be doing right so committee are important because it gives the city an opportunity to to interface again with residents at a different level than just city manager out there with a PowerPoint presentation saying here's what we're working on um the second part is that that you know from the standpoint of trying to figure out what what we should be doing um as a city committee is something that reports back to city council so city council is not sitting there making those those decisions or what the plan is it's it's a committee of residents that again have taken the time to dive deep into whatever the topic is that they've been to do as an ad hoc committee and provide reports action plans and and to a certain degree actually do a lot of some of the L work I should think because um you know getting you know getting people in here to talk and finding out what what are their interest and and what should we be doing um has been very successful across the United States with Committees of residents going out there and and starting to engage that and so that's really the benefit of a committee in this this respect where you know you are going to be guiding and making recommendations ultimately to the city council on what they should be focusing on as it relates to social resiliency and uh the waterways water quality issues so they have to take the time to do that that that heavy lifting to get there so recommendations those types of things um but as far as that's really the council is really our charge is it's advisory to the council Carl you can keep your mic sorry okay I'm gonna you just so you know we'll get you we'll get you trained on that so it's really advisory to the Council as far as that goes and then externally uh are there things that we need to be aware of or consider if that's our reporting charge if you will externally what are boundaries or limits or that part of the flight envelope so um maybe you say referring to as boundaries what you can or can't do or okay what insance yes so you know I think there's there's a lot of ability for this committee to do exploration outside of the committee individually right so you know you could be making calls and talking to some of those officials or other other cities other organizations that have done things um that that are in in line with what it is you're going to be talking um you know for instance we attended the uh um what was that yes resiliency uh forgot that and there was a number of uh communities that are doing some really cool things out there right that again we should probably be looking at and talking about um you know you could easily assign individuals here to make those connection and and maybe find out more and come back to the the committee and you know provide a report on what they're doing how how that you know could fit into anything that you want to ultimately recommend to the council for the future for the state the difficulty in this I'll tell you for me at least the difficulty in this is that you know you you do get a lot more I'm using Sunshine wall here is a great thing don't get me wrong very important but I've seen committees like this in other states where they don't have that barrier where two or three people get together they kind of like do their projects together um we don't have that luxury here where you know you can't get together in more than one um and so you are going to be relying upon staff to do a little bit more of the the teamwork that you would normally do so it could be prepped for these meetings you be able to that type of te we can only do one can we do more I say we realize get going here we understand where we want to go at some of us retired others not but we would have more convenience and some of us can meet and we could have ad hoc meeting so that we see something we want to grab on to and we want to take action we want to we want to bring it to the to the city we want to see action and we can we progress at a faster Pace than than once a month I again I think as an individual so the the actions of the committee are represented by the majority opinion of the committee so what you can't do is have one or two people saying we want to do this right it has to be something that comes through the committee committee can have subcommittees if you want but understand subcommittees have to be the same way they have to be open the public they have to be in a conven location it has to be announced so you have to do that you know you couldn't say Hey you know two people are going to get together we're going to talk about this well could but you have to let us know when where most likely here um you're going to do that so we can notice that the Public's aware of that that meeting going on again that's kind of the hindrance I think in this is that there may be a little bit more that could be done but you know in doing it in the public environment can slow it down a little bit how much time do you need for uh well we would prefer at least 24 hours we'd prefer at least you know probably 36 more hours but but you know a minimum 24 hours be able to do that just for complete Clarity on that topic if we wanted to go if I wanted to go talk to Mark dellis at Pasco County you know and have a conversation I would need to go tab that convers ation with him or his team by myself yeah it would not be I couldn't take Carl with me right at that point then then at that point if that's the structure of it right where I I want to have Allan and Carl there right then at that point I would schedule them to come here y right and we would have an organized meeting around them participating and speaking to us right and and they're very aware of this committee right and I've already said they should expect invitation very shortly so right yeah that would I would think that's first first stop now the red tape part is over I got a question does this work alongside the Port Authority board or is the Port Authority board now part of this and it's all combined in so so the Port Authority board is still separate from from everything else I mean it's its own entity within the the city government um the Port Authority is the core of this committee obviously um and so uh again what what the rules are for this committee are the same rules for the the Port Authority um and I would expect that there's going to be an overlap in things that you want to do here and as the Port Authority I mean there may be some things that are different I understand but I assume there's GNA be some overlap and and so I think easily the per Authority could be its own work group for this as well um if you so wanted to do that but it probably would make less sense unless it's something that you know really is tangental to the resiliency efforts primarily for the court Authority very little for the res yeah Court Authority is still a separate entity from this I've just reading down the list here a lot of the things that are on here is what the board of authorities been working on for right 10 15 years we had an environmental component but the public safety component I would say is completely autonomous right from anything here um but the the environmental component certainly is a key Cornerstone of that so all right I think uh that that will uh suffice for everyone on as far as what our boundaries are and such if anytime you have a question let us know and we'll be able to provide you know where where those boundaries are if it's I have one one I'm going to be working with the county on waterways outside of the city can I do that I would I'll just put it on the record now it's as far as uh multiple council members uh commission members attend the same meetings so um that are not announced and I would be curious to know what kind of latitude we could have in that for say Chris's example here or any others for that matter is if uh there is um a lead on that and an observer on that as long as there's my understanding is there's not Communications between them discussion between them it's non issue so um I think to be as effective as possible and where sometimes more than two years are a good thing um I would uh seek some latitude in in that Arena yeah just as right now as we're sitting here more than you know two council members sitting in this room um you know it's not a meeting they're they're not participating together you know doing anything that violate sunshine you could go he has a meeting on on County you having a meeting on resiliency right you know you you could you could all attend that you know what what would be the issue is if you're both you know you're sitting in there and oh you know that's a great idea we should be doing that right that's that's kind of that barrier line now obviously it's it's something that you would have to you know and to do your self reporting on I guess you know understand that there is a a limit to what you can do you can say hey how's you you really like what you're doing with your boat you know you can talk about that but uh anything that might be coming in front of this uh committee you wouldn't be able to talk gotcha okay any other items on that on that note from anyone okay uh well let's uh what was the next uh you wanted to help me on the agenda here as far as what we want to do yeah I think that's that's kind of the next step is to create that that Vision moving forward where where do you see what is it you want to take up understanding that you know you you've been given very large canvas put a picture on right but the reality is that you know you're not going to be able to paint the full picture in one meeting or maybe even in a year but you need you need a place to start you need a a vision for where you're going to end okay what do we do let me suggest this uh why don't we all take uh like two or three minutes and if Ashley can help us with the timer to keep us honest let's do it three minutes as far as getting each other's thoughts as far as what you think might be a path we could take and um that way we all get a chance to kind of put ideas on the table we've got six of us 18 minutes which I don't think is too bad um since we're kind of open here on the agenda anyway and uh so what would what would be your priorities what would you like to see um let's do that and then we'll quickly open it up to the audience or maybe two minutes to see what inputs are there so we can kind of get a collective reading across the board and then we can kind of have some discussion around that if that seems to work with everybody sounds good Dean you want to start um sure I uh I think that we're uh a lot of the issues that we're running into is just a um kind of a runaway regulation thing that kind of occurred where can't really do much that's why you know it's like funny that's why the first start of the meeting here is we're talking about red tape because we really can't do much it's because it's all red tape um unfortunately and um but I I did uh I did approach the D um to to speak with them about dredging my Canal doing it myself um with some my equipment and stuff like that and I I it's it's there's a lot of ineptitudes things like that to deal with depends on who you get um very difficult to to navigate that but one thing that came came about was the city has had a permit done back when was that and it just expired for the dredging we had it all started like 10 years ago right right but but we had that going but the topographical actually shows the crosssections that's what they want for your permit so we should have some kind of a database like this website that puts everything on there so when a guy like me even privately wants to go do that they can piggyback off that um off of that permit and use that instead of having to go out and get another guy in there to stick a a mud stick in there and get a level and all that kind of stuff so I think that that would probably be a good thing to just compile all the information into one central location um for everybody to get and um and also too I I really realized with all the rain um and spending some time in the river lately how much uh sediment comes off Pasco County and channels right into Miller by you because it's like a curve and it just shoots right in there it seems that way anyways um and uh um you know like uh that Canal where the guy seaw walls coming in you know falling down because because you know there's so much water going through there that's another huge issue but those are owned by Pasco County so somebody needs to be kind of paying for this and helping out um and we don't really have the funds but um I think I think maybe we take a little bit of seed money and maybe Lobby or do something like that because there's no way we're going to take two 300 even $400,000 and really do much with that um we need to you know use that money to try to catalyze a bigger effort um from State you know or even Pasco County or federal so that's really you know where we got to go with it but it's a bunch of red tape you know it's just a bunch of nonsense actually um so but this is the world we live in now and um hopefully when I'm you know 50 or 60 or something everybody will realize that oh my God the regulations were too much and we need to dial them back because we can't even maintain our own waterways you know so okay any other things well that's right to give everybody a shot any of the last things you're good I think we're good all right thank you sir Alan okay depending on where we wanted to start with h oh sorry my time is up so for for financials and whatnot we decide we need to know the area that we we are contained to how far south do we go down to Green key or are we north of Green Key Dy key how far North are we do we go to c key or do we go a little further further north up to where the Salt Spring State Park is Define our area we know the river we know our front there to find what we need to where we want to focus and get get actions on what by you there it needs to be drudged properly and you can get a radi of current permits we get a joint permit cost $2,000 to apply from D we're going to need to do that that's has to happen once we have a a joint permit in place we can we we have to have a focus for areas like we mentioned what want folks have our area get a permit show what we would like to get done do our the pieces we can break it down in pieces at a time all inclusive under that permit this way we can continuously move on it without having to be apply um I also applied uh different things there's beaches inlets and ports program for funding that's funded now it's up to $18 million a year that's State funding direct funding we have the castal per resource act for we're we're section four we're funded at two2 billion annually it's direct funding again if you have a if you have a permit if you have a plan in place if you have everything approved then you take it to them you get a uh you have to go for a consultation and you have to do this with d as well you want to do these consultation we want to have our plan together we have our plan together go to the EP get our consultation and get our permit we have that in place we can then bring that all bring this all to the city council say this is what we need to do they're probably going to say okay go get the permit we'll do that but we can't it sounds like we can't do these things but these are things that we have to bring to the city say this is what we need to do and then get somebody to do it I'm not sure exactly how that works you know um I've given to each of you guys just pass this out this is something of for the for the uh city um right here and it goes different sections yes time watch your time okay so anyway we're uh you know there's a lot that needs to be done and we all have a good idea of the waterways and we just have to communicate together and come up with a good plan and bring it to the city so that the city can say yes and then say go get it and then if we can do it we can do it if it's something we can't take action on how are we going to take action because I'm all game for hiring out the private contractors I I get the money you know you you need $10 million let's private contractors good paying jobs we're talking econom these this is economic engines for our community huge economic engine that is handled properly Ronnie well being on this board well being on the Port Authority board for for well over 10 years uh actually started back before the BT BP oil spill and the money came in the funds for that um the number one issue has always been uh the money uh chasing grants uh we did surveys back when nobody wanted to pay for be assessed on their property for dredging their canals so that went away and we looked into grant money uh some money came in from BP I think they spent some of it on certain canals um we've done a lot of research and over the years we've come up with some very good projects uh one of the best ones we presented to the council a few years ago was the one from Crystal River where they did their whole mitigation and um uh water quality the whole presentation we brought it here I think they spent between as the city 5 to 800,000 and got anywhere between 16 and18 million in grant money all through aabon societies uh you know the manate groups everything because it's all about uh the quality of the water replaced in the seabeds the dredging word is a bad word environmentalists hate it so it's all about water quality and they went that route and I'm sure we could probably find that gentleman and bring them back who did the Crystal River project because that is exactly what you're looking at right here and the money's there he says there's plenty of money and you can go up to Crystal River and see how all the sludge was cleaned up in the canals and everything is doing right so um I'm looking forward to working on this and hopefully we can finally get something going cool that's it Linda um I got real excited when you brought your projects when I was sitting in the audience years ago when you when you did the first presentation about the water quality um I mean for 37 years I it's real important the water quality and maintaining our shorelines um and that's why I wanted to sit on here I know I'm not a voting expert by any stretch of the imagination so I am never going to claim that um but I enjoy the water and I think it's very important for our community to maintain the mangroves and and the fish and and all our shorelines and and I want to maintain that so um I'm looking forward to working with the committee and and uh learning a lot more and and hopefully helping that's all thank you so from a starting point I I I might take a little bit of a different swing at this you know listen to dev's issues it's not not different than than what you hear lot of people talking about you got people with you all different kinds of things on the water in the our canals U but you got storm water runoff and drainage and and I remember Matt saying one of the first times I sat down with him you know he he's been fascinated to learn about how you've got drainage coming from here that goes here and it doesn't seem to actually end up anywhere right or you got things that are obvious that need to be fixed but you fix that you break something else that was done 40 years ago and so I think we need to to start with figuring out where we want to be right I know the project the the committee's title has 2020 2125 maybe not quite that far out but where do we want to end up and what do we want what do we want this area to look like and then we can start figuring out what pieces of the puzzle we need to put together to get to that point right because we can talk about dredging but dredging your Canal may break something else right it may make something else worse if we don't really have a clear understanding of that you know my my brain says first place we go is to the resiliency uh group with Pasco County and say what does your plan say that you wanted to do with this area right and does it match up with what residents here want us to do and what we think to be done and then are there pieces of that that are immediately actionable like dredging or working by you or stuff around the river on either side on how it's training um you know with the with the mangroves out front are there immediately actionable things that we can work with the county and build off of that plan to go and do or or or is their plan so vague that we've got to create something from trash right and and I don't think we know that at this point and trying to figure out okay funding for the wrong thing at this point so I think we've got to at least know where we want to plant our flag we want what we want things to look like and then we can start figuring out okay who's going to take which piece and go chase that so I just think that first meeting with the c the county if it means bringing them in here and one or two of us go there and fret them and say hey this is what we're looking for we'd really like to understand how we fit and how we could work together and then we go from there so that that would be my recommendation starting point is figure out what we want it to look like and then we puzzle um well I'll jumped in um I think the uh along with all of the years that been we've been looking at this I think the biggest thing that I'd always ask the question of is what do we want to do there's lots of things that could be done but what are the things that we need to do and um is it dredging is it sea grass is it was is it mangr is it what is it um so I think from all the big dollars that are being spent a funding perspective I don't know if you just saw but the Texas coast just got $32 billion for the Port of Houston so where Louisiana was huge after Katrina this dwarfs it completely and they're doing a massive effort there and um but they've created a vision of what it needs to look like they got the right resources together to say uh to paint a picture if you will of what our view of Houston was I would submit we need to do the same thing for Port Richie we have to come up with that Vision yeah there's money here there's money there we can do this we can do that but we need to look at it in a cohesive fashion so um everything works together so how do we do that I think is the is the big challenge that I see um and where I believe I would highly encourage us to start uh does it mean do we go raise the roads like Miami did do we redo the storm water system to make sure we don't get flooded from the county do we start bu raising all the houses I don't know where to start all of those things are potential possibilities what one is the right one today versus 5 years for 10 years that's what we need to figure out um Allan brought up partners and U who we need to work with and geography um I'm always a big uh think big or go home kind of guy so we're small and we know that there's lots of property around us for example the state park is 6 more thousand acres aabon has a big chunk south of us pel Pastor County does as well I would say we look to reach out with those as an immediate for partnering with we want to work with them like them to potentially come to our meetings as a Cooperative partner either ad junter I don't care what we call it but uh let's bring them in let's get the biggest geography that we can and those are easy because they're state level and their county level and they're with aabon their National level so engaging with those kinds of people I think are the right people and they have the right resources to help us along so uh those are a couple of things that come to my P brain to kind of get us started so let me do this uh can we do a minute or 90 seconds does any would anybody like to talk from the audience why don't we do that all right why don't we go ahead and give them a a 90 seconds and then we'll go from there supposed to have three minutes give three minutes three minutes okay three minutes appreciate you Carl I'll be Bob Hub 7515 Grand Bullard um yeah we appreciate you guys U hope you guys get all the answers that we need and all our problem solved so it's all on you guys' shoulders thank you very much uh we have obvious been talking about I since 1983 uh dredging and as Carl said we should refer to cleaning out our waterways or maintaining our waterways it's already been dredged we just need to maintain it and clean it out uh we've had cleanouts In this River this year uh and some years not not too long ago with equipment that's not that expensive and uh some of that was done with rent a barge and you can get you can get a barge uh with spuds you could put an escavator a back ho on that and you can get get that in a mu barge with a pushboat that can push the excavator barge and the mule barge to wherever you need this material taken uh you can rent this equipment for about two months for around 50 $60,000 two months will clean out all of our canals should anyway I mean you can get a lot done a lot done important thing about this is also so uh two things um you can get it done you can start right away on this you can get a permit and start on this right away cuz I think the city can come up with some money to get that started and that would leave a lot of citizens problems to have boats and uh they've been screaming for it and I've been also been screaming for it I can get out usually but there's a lot of people that can't and they need help and they need to get this done and they need to be alleviated I don't think we're going to be able to get done this boating season season but hopefully we can get started on this so they can enjoy spring next year and this is one option I just like for everybody to look at um the barge has spuds on it can be operated with the the back hod excavator you can move it around it fit into the canals nicely even the small canals which is important I'd like to compare that with a commercial professional operation to see what the cost difference is and it probably would be a little cheaper if we did it they offer professionals that will show you how it's done they can also furnish operators if we have a citizen we got people in the city that work for us that could probably operate it they don't can't make them do it but it does pay I believe we could find it would pay extra for it's beyond the scope of what they were hired for so they could probably get paid bonus money to operate that equipment it still would probably be cheaper to hire someone to operate it but still we could do either one that should be looked into uh um the material that was taken out of this River also which is important to D is that it's been proven it's good and it's not contaminated no arsenic nothing nothing bad with this could be used to restore diry key dirie key is valuable asset to us for a couple different reasons I know it's a recreational area which is good and and citizens use it and it should be restored but it's also a barrier from a severe storm that may come in it prevents a lot of it'll slow down tidal surge slow down waves it'll help preserve our Waterfront and the shoreline dery key serves serves a lot of purposes and I think it should be restored also creates a lot of habitat for wildlife for those people concerned a quick clarification uh are you talking about a maintenance dredge yes exactly thank you you don't need to you don't need to dredge down 10 ft you need to clean it out and it should be maintained on a fairly regular basis four five six years and you do that it'll save the city a lot of money and the ciens a lot of heartache and also keep the property values up so this is important and I think this is something we should look into and compare and as I said this is something that we could uh start on right away if we can get a permit from D um if someone like Devon wants to get his own equipment under that permit and dredge his waterways out I don't think we should stop them long as it's done safely and it's done the way the company recommends it be done okay right so that's three minutes I believe thank you thank you for your time all right appreciate you guys anybody else Dave Mueller 5439 bluepoint drive and thanks again for all of your time here to uh kind of put this problem to rest uh I think you all have some great ideas uh great starting point point but essentially we got to you know put the Rope around okay what it is that we're working on boil it down to uh those projects that have viability uh and then essentially try to prioritize that and say what do you think we can get done uh one of the things that we as a smaller City have smaller projects and potentially we can look at getting partners with Swift Mud Tasco County you know uh those other agencies that we could essentially leverage uh some of that aabon you mentioned that aon's got a big place right at the mouth of the river and dery key like uh Captain Bob said is that is a uh I think that is a dredge site uh disposal site and but whether or not we can address putting the materials that come out of our canals and stuff at that site that's another story certainly um we're trying to get a jump start on thing there's a lot of things circling right now but essentially I I think Carl's got the idea let's put the vision together here and then start uh flushing out that skeleton and say okay what is it we can kind of focus on and move forward with uh storm water is a big issue uh comes right out of my Canal from residence off of 19 right on down into that Bayou area and then underneath the road and uh deposits in in the the canals so um I've been here six years uh been trying to get some traction on this and uh hopefully you guys are the ladies the uh ones to get the project kicked off and I'm willing to help as well thank you thank you anybody else all right back uh any other thoughts from folks on here along that line where we wrap up as far as that piece it was really good discussion we got some good ideas from from overlooking over the big picture I worked with the county and I'm trying to get this to it's the coastal for our entire 20 something miles Coastline but within that City I saw you I saw the city wanting to make some moves I said I want to be part of that so anywhere I can be a help I can Co can give us as a hint what what will work like you say as a joining function so we can grab assistance from other places and say come on board get more done get two for one let's do two for one if we're going to use get our permit for dredging here we need to increase our spoil Island but we need to build a beach let's use these clean spoils over here save money get get a big bang for our book but have everybody helping us I think a lot of these things are exciting as far as possibilities it's a matter of how do we have just a few variables that we can deal with to get people on board quickly if we have a lot of variables I don't know how we get multiple entities that we have to work and push on to get us get them in agreement with what needs to be done too maybe if there's a a thread that we could pull on um maybe it has to do with storm water um I know the Count's going through an effort with storm water I know the storm waterers adversely impacted our canals I don't think there's one Canal that hasn't been negatively impacted um they've got a project that's not supposed to be completed till 25 level of detail that is I'm not sure but um if we look at storm water for example then we can figure out um how that impacts the water waves and the water quality and those types of things but that there's a there's a thread that we can pull and to try to run that course and I'm sure there'll be other branches that go off of it I'm not sure what that so for example if we find that you know dredging here then we've got to use put the spoils somewhere does it go to an island does it go somewhere who knows but these other things will get pulled in once we start walking this one path right um I haven't given enough thought to say we can work on this path or that path or the other path the only thought I did give was um when I had uh thought about this earlier was doing some type of Outreach to um other entities the county being one uh there may be stuff in Swift Mud we could do that immediately as far as finding who the right people are to go have those conversations and learn what we can and bring that back to the table so that's that's one thought um the other thing that kind of goes something else one or more of us could do is what does the city need uh where are problems that uh maybe we have Road flooding uh and part of this thought is what kind of quick winds could we get so if we knew where some of the critical pains were uh we know we should be maybe looking at that process first potentially so kind of getting with the city and saying okay what are those things around this Arena that makes sense there and then the uh the the other area is um that I struggled with for a while is restoration is a big thing I don't even know what restoration means I hear that um you know we've got stuff has changed it's different from this reason or that I need to have uh more Saw Grass I need to have more this or I don't know what the right answer is how do I promote the Fisheries how do I promote a wildlife what are the things that I need to do and do I restore it to 1700 or do I restore it to 1950 I have no clue so I assume there's people that we could engage with uh that understand what are those things that we can do that gets just the biggest bang for the buck it helps Fisheries it helps the water it helps Clarity it helps all of those things so that's kind of the third component or the third leg that I figured maybe a group of us could handle if we kept it relatively simple and fold these things into that the Outreach what does the city need what's the right thing to do I would add one thing to the Outreach one place where the Port Authority when we were doing the project three or four years ago one place where we ran into a stumble we didn't have good contacts with some of the other municipalities that were doing this work and they didn't they just didn't return our phone calls and so you know I don't know if it's appropriate but I would love to you know uh at some point say who in the city would be the right people to talk to home assassin Crystal River and just say you guys just took undertook projects that are very similar at least scope to what we're talking about doing what are you know Lessons Learned what do you wish you had done sooner uh did you do things out of order right uh did you start with one thing and you needed to start with something else and that slowed you down uh you know what were your sources of funding you know that kind of thing um so that I think that's one of those areas from an Outreach standpoint that this committee might not be the right folks it might be within the city to do that okay I I think I think um I think that there's so much growth in Florida that it's almost inevitable that we do get like a 30 something billion dollar you know gift to the to the state where the federal government comes in and really drops some some money here to clean up our waterways um we're a little in the municipality we're very tiny and we're getting dumped on you know left and right by everybody around us um because we're you know Waterfront community in giant Pasco County I think it was like the fifth fastest growing County in the nation I mean there's something to be said and and there that those properties aren't percolating anymore because there's giant buildings on them and stuff and there's nothing wrong with development that's fine but the water is going somewhere and it's at increased velocity coming out of the river and it's depositing everywhere um what what um what Bob said about about doing like a more homegrown approach I I like those ideas I tend to because I'm more of a you know kind of a mover and Shaker out just like to do stuff you know um I like that idea but I also like a bigger picture idea I'm not sure if we can actually do smaller projects or at least you know I know I think we have a couple hundred thousand dolls set aside um by the council for from uh penny for Pasco or whatever to to us to be able to do something with but at least if we were able to identify very troubled areas in the city just at a minimum you know let's let's do a let's do a bigger approach a bigger but let's also do a more homegrown approach if possible um I got a $100,000 excavator that I bought it's brand new you know it's like I I'll we'll stick it on a barge I'll watch it rust it's fine you know like whatever we'll figure it out but but if we could at least get permitting in you know the the finger canals um you know over by me um and you know just some other really battl neck areas where we could potentially just dig them out and and just do a maintenance dredge on them really and just clean them out um I think that would probably help and be a little easier than these bigger picture things because I'm not even sure if we can even Lobby and get the results we need I almost feel like this is one of these things where when the federal government is ready they're going to act because they realize that there's such a voting base here and people are wanting to move here and there's so much economic pressure here um you know or maybe or maybe when we get uh higher you know higher value homes to be built you know where the old cracker boxes get ripped down and new ones get built and eventually it it all kind of just comes up and we get the funding to dredge it out but I think a homegrown approach would probably be a good idea and I don't know what Avenue we could take for that but I'm I think maybe a multifaceted approach would be wonderful um because we may not even get the big one you know it might be a might be a dream shot you know but if we can still do and maybe leverage a couple hundred thousand dollars maybe we could get something out of that that's reasonable and I know getting people from the city to work on there's long shoreman's workers comp is like ridiculous that's a whole complicated thing but I'm sure there's something we could do maybe volunteers um I don't know any yeah I'm Sor um a lot of the information that Deon was asking for as far as the schematics of the canals and the the surveys that was all done I don't know where the city keeps all the paperwork from going back 10 years but all that was done um the city had it um talking about dirty key we had aerial photos of what it was back in the 19 when they first built it and how big it was because that was one of the ideas to take the spoil and put it back on dirne key to just put dirty key back to its original size rip wrap around it and it'd be a big nice Island for people to go to but also just restore it back to what it was all that information was given to the city I don't know if they have the files but all that you're asking for was already done and it was done to the point where that you could go as a citizen get those permits at the time because everything was done they go dig like you wanted to do so I don't know where that information is at if it's still around but it was all done that's going to be critical I'm sure it's still around I don't think they throw anything you could do a foer Crest too from you know D or whatever too you know that's another thing too maybe to compile all of the local permits that were pulled by D and stuff and put them on a central website and database just so anybody who moves into the city from wherever they buy the house they realize oh my God I'm in a mud Canal this they get mobilized onto this thing you know like I did and now I'm here sitting in this chair and going I want to get this done but I want all the resources so if we're able to do that you know knowledge is power and and you know without that I can't do what I'm trying to do I could get it it's just a lot of leg work they don't only want all the points I paid to get all the topographical done on it but they weren't a cross-section that that was done too right but it doesn't even matter it's arbitrary because you already know what it is they just wanted in a different form I'm just saying that was all done it was to the point wasn't it Carl that they were ready to go and then the permit sat there and then it got to the point where they expired but all that work was done well why don't we do this let me throw this out as far as uh call it quick hit projects or something that is a potential to get our arms around get all the pieces together is um is that something that say Deon you want to look into what are those quick hit type efforts I I think probably to identify all the all the easy things the low hanging fruit that you know like the like U like Dave's Canal that giant pile of crap there and all that stuff you know that we need we could go in there dig that out it's probably you know couple hundred yards we have a dma site I think we should get that um dma right dma D um we could get the the spoils in there already tested get a move sell it cuz it's dirt people are paying five bucks a yard for dirt we can get rid of that two seconds and then fill it up again well I think that's a good path to walk all right so we have to in that the permits have expired we have to find out what would be involved to reactivate sure because essentially they were a maintenance Bri that's all it was no over [Music] other than what the uh the D allowed so find out what it would take to reactivate those and find out uh what potentially is there new information for me is that the count County supposedly owns the canals I don't know if that's true they do I don't know if that's true go on the website just click on them they do no I understand what's on the website I've seen stuff on the website it's not if you understand how State of Florida GIS gets built say that that if you look there canals that are yeah BL point four so they all show that they're owned by the county yes the county owns fourth one which is the furthest one to the north is actually owned by the Florida sheriff's trust Foundation or something like that which doesn't show when when you click on it if you like use the it shows that it's owned by the county facilities but County County the county we met with the county to try to get an understanding of the ownership and we still haven't gotten from them what the process would be if we wanted to you know if we wanted to do something there we were trying to work with them to understand what they would require of us um they said that they don't own that one and they provided to us the uh the deed for that which is actually for Sheriff's trust Association which is really weird to me that's who would own it but should we try to get those transferred back into well I think this the fundamental question is because you go in that yeah and if there's petroleum runoff and there's contaminated soils even if on the surface becomes an issue sure so all of those things that's potential project all of these things can raise their head but they all have to be deal dealt with I just question all my years down here I'm not aware of anything that would have legislated that uh so I know what's on the property appraiser site I just question because I've had some other things through Florida State of Florida GIS system it comes down to the county they accept it without any question whether it's right wrong or indifferent so I would just along that line to fully understand would be to find the documentation that legitimately throws it to the county or given our Charter as a municipality says that's not Bing I don't know so that's all I say there's some due diligence to run that thread but we pull on the thread for the canal and let's see what goes with it I'm all over that but that's one you want to run not not just my C I mean I'm no but I mean to run the process as for that we just discussing this is so difficult though because like if I want to go hang out with you spend a day on the boat and talk about this how do you by the way how do you do that you come do a meeting right but what if we want to go out and actually take a look at it ourselves we want to hop on a skiff and say l and go wow that is a giant oyster bar we're not allowed to do that you can go look at it can't talk can't talk about right come bring back to our meeting you can go do that on your own and bring it bring us we we could go together on the take pictures of it at and then come back and have ited I I understand it at a fundamental level but it's just it's very um shackling now when I'm seeing over here though I'm just that's hearing we're talking to now I hear that this is real important so just from what I've seen from my looking at things all of those dra they do need attention serious attention but something that's key to enhancing them working properly is Miller body that's a huge key yeah but this you go to small ones and they'll connect and if you get the right permit like you get these permits redone but it may not be the all-encompassing JCP if you get that that one you'll get these smaller ones plus the overlooking over they had the permit by you too right yeah so that's not going all over place that's a big that's a big that's a big they did was they did the so far out from the seaw wall right off the people's docks not the whole middle right just around so that people could come out from the canals and drive around and get out and in front of uh Waterfront Park and Hooters and all that very shallow there all that was Perman right and and I wasn't I think they put it out to bid if I'm not mistaken and I think the bid came back2 or three million this was like four or five years ago and that's why those permits expired not long that's why those permits expired because we didn't have the city that I was sitting out there I was not up here right that's why those permits expired was because nobody the city didn't have three or four million doar to dredge just Miller's value right I mean no nobody for my I'm sorry nobody just ignored the $667,000 said well we're not going to do anything they just didn't have enough money to finish the project unfortunately that's what made Crystal River and what Hass are doing so attractive is they weren't they weren't talking about dredging but what they were doing was going into all these canals cleaning all of that stuff out reping seagrass and at that point you're asking for grant money for right restoration resiliency an environmentally friendly thing and dring does exactly crazy which is crazy so I want to come back to Allan's Point here because he's done a lot of work around uh the Miller value and the circulation and stuff I guess one of the things I would like to do is understand that more I don't have an understanding of that you've talked about the shore wise currents as well I don't have an understanding of that so one of the things that would help me is to better understand that and the um the details behind it um because uh for all my uh voting offshore so I'd like to learn about that so I can and and part of my intent uh intent here is to say okay if we're doing something here it has to connect to this and it has to connect to that if we can't find the connection we either don't have to do it or we have to build a connection that doesn't exist because if I'm going to go to uh Governor D santis say I need $17 million for all of this whatever uh this connects to that that connects to this and this is why we need this piece first I just need a million dollars to get this done yeah there's a grander project out there all right but I need a million dollars to get this started and here's the reasons why all right so that would help me at least as far as that to get clarity as far as what's the basis of that sure um kind of stuff and I think I heard Chris you're interested in trying to reach out to Mark at the county and some of those things um and there's probably some others too right that we could do uh I just just start I think it just keep us informed I also ask that can we ask the city to come with what is the actual process for the dredging what what licenses permits EPA who do we need to contact that whole you have to do this first this second this third before we even get down there because I mean I don't think it's that easy as we would be great to just put back on a barge but I don't think it's that easy it's a process so I would like the city to give us how this has to be done step one two three four before we can get to any stage and can we do what he suggested or doesn't have to be a professional entity um for the government so if if I could ask Matt if that would be possible we have already started that I'm sorry we've already started that oh well good job there's multiple ways to fund that type let me just say going back about the prevents so um in 2008 the city got to permit through Army Corp in the state do dring what I think you're talking about 2013 is when it expired um I have the hard cop well I have a hard copy of the permit but it's almost useless because it's a hard copy it was you know they didn't do a very good job of copying let's put it that way so somewhere there is an electronic version of this that I'm going to try to find now the city did do draging which resulted in the spoils going to the dmma site that one I don't have I can't find that permit yet they had to have a permit you have it I may have oh okay well I can't find one that's not say that it's not here somewhere but but I'm trying to get that one to understand what that permit was but also say and all this that you know there are communities out there that do annually do dredging maintenance drudging for their their canals when comes mind is and you I think they they actually have an anual program they have a 10y year uh I believe a 10year permit through Army Corps in state of Florida they do some of it themselves they do some of it Contracting out some of it's funded through their storm water utility some of it's funded other places which I still don't understand which might be a good again you know my intention is to reach out to them to get an understanding of how they go about what they do and why they did it and all those different things that you know I'll bring back to you as well like I think this is a I think we certainly have interest in it so understanding what all the pieces are um and what needs to be done today direct the permits carried longer um than that period of time and there were extensions and extensions and then there was even the the last iteration that had to do with the dmma site was actually part of the original permit so there was not a new permit but in that it's completely laps now there's probably still some sweet talking that may be able to be done with the core but again that has to be pursued yeah we don't need to talk about it here but it's just a thread let's run that thread and see where it takes us and then we can get subtraction he gets that threat that Army Corp that you mentioned he has an additional 10 million in his back pocket every year just to do projects like this yeah the monies I think are some ways the least of our problems I I think the biggest problem is figuring out what needs to be done first second third fourth fifth those things are going to be the hard part um so I think uh I've got three down sort of um Ronnie Linda things come to mind you're interested in trying to run down uh per se that uh comes to mind um you mention uh I kind of choose where we want to spend our dollars on you know kind of prioritizing um how about maybe with the city as far as finding out what their priorities are things like that is where to storm water where to utilities where to roads where to just kind of getting that understanding and to kind of and bring back to the table what the city sees as being most important so we can kind of line up um with the community and with the committee what things are most important that seem to be a viable path do you want to see where the city wants to start first yeah we start on land and then work our way to the shore I don't know I don't know but that's do uh is it big is it smaller than a bread box what does it look like I have no clue so that would be a start to at least understand so we're working in harmony across the board on whatever we do so it be externally on quick wi projects what's kind of the vision of where we need to be as far as what are we restore to and then what's what's important so let me also add the uh one member of the committee this that's sitting in my place is Daryl Rose who is our Public Works and utilities director okay and uh one of the reasons why I thought it would be very good to be on this is a lot of those drainage storm water issues he's very fluent in right now okay and can help again provide a lot of insight to some of the things you just said you what what are the priorities where where where are the issues that we're experiencing I mean um he and I can easily put on the map all those issues for you I I I think that would be good I think that kind of goes in line yep um Linda is there's a niche that you would like to I threw up suggestions nobody threw it back at me so I figured I start you want to work with Ronnie as far as some of the city stuff because but I mean getting the information because the city's got a lot of we'll both get a list has that and we can bring it back and compare while we're sitting here at the meeting and and because he'll probably get something different that I will and Ashley as far as like email contacts and information can you make sure that we all have that because we can certainly share information as we get it you you can't share with one another you can share with me and I can disperse but you cannot email each other directly no sunshine it's so fun isn't I am your I am your distribution center for information for this committee you're going to send it back out correct so if there's something that you want or or you know the the other option is depending upon what it is we can place it on the website where you would have access to it obviously at working information as far as this is what I found as a FYI kind of thing you can send it both to Matt and I and if it's something that you would like to discuss further and it be added to the agenda or if it's just a a contact or something like that be added to that um that drop page for everybody as well or if it's something directly we can disc okay but yes no no emailing each other directly whenever when it comes to this committee who's gonna get the canals because that's who I want to talk to other I'm sorry somebody I was gonna get with the city darl Rose is that who you said darl I guess meet with him he's actually a member of the committee so he'll be at the next meeting talk to him then right I if I could have Vision on that then I could do the currents for you and have the currents show you how all these different things reflect on the currents where you need directional radio how we can make it work you know so we can't communicate though so send it to when Ash when I see Ashley it's got to be through Ashley back the information this is how we can fix this with you the information you just gathered I've now gathered it here's how it works I I think this kind of begs the question where I was coming from is that from a restoration standpoint those didn't exist so the buay you was the buou so this is the part I don't understand exactly so if we've we've corrupted things as far as with the drainage do we need to hold different types of drainage systems than we've used historically I don't so that's why I'm this yeah it's more than likely not because your biou and and your your everything that's set up on this historically was set on or swes so that you know you can go back to historical and say we just work with another nature we've just encourage it to work with our population and this is the part I want to learn about cool okay um meeting next time FR what let me just throw out there it would be really good if we could pick a date that you know we we follow that going forward so you know from the standpoint of getting agendas and and because what happens if we start just well we'll pick a date later on then it's a matter of trying to match up all your calendars then and it's a nightmare and I think that's something that that we would highly recommend uh getting a date that make sense keeping it off you know council meeting Planning Commission meeting nights along that line um say we want to meet with another party is there a day that would work better for saying instead of doing a six o'clock which would be a normal standing meeting we do a two o'clock because we want D to come in uh because they're working I would hate to have people that are working and they can't get here because to me foolish at least we're relatively local so from a particular day I know second and fourth Tuesdays are bad U second and fourth first and third filling up past okay so is there a better time than not for people I'll I'll just throw it out Ashley and to the the committee as far as a particular day being retired I don't care I'm F but it's just early in the week's better than late in the week so Monday works as good as any other day Okay Mondays are good Monday at six Monday six is a standard do you want to keep it the second Monday of the month like you you've started the second Monday of the month there is no wrong answer this somebody's got sure F yeah and then of course if you guys have someone that you are wanting to come in and speak we will know ahead of time in that way for and everything right the second Monday of next month is Columbus Day is what Columbus Day Columbus we're noted but but I think you know if we choose the day if uh Ronnie can't be here Ronnie's not there that day right or whatever got critical mass to uh be able to to move forward by choosing that so as a start for now now how's that next Monday that would be in October so it would moving forward it would be the second Monday of every month at six [Music] o'clock I guess I'm looking for I'm not sure everybody PA holidays in the federal calendar and they're they're 90% of times on a Monday sometimes on a Friday and Columbus B is one of those things bear does is six o'clock a good time and I'm looking work towards it this way I'm here six o'clock is good good all right six o'clock it is next uh October 14th October 14th is your next meeting and we will do uh what we need to do and then what I will do is give some thought to what we've talked about try to put some ideas together and bring that in uh as far as quick wins that we can potentially go after that type of thing or just get on your list of along that and then go from there and I'll send everybody a calendar invite um moving forward to you guys them as well okay okay um Alan any last thoughts no you just wanted me to do the the right yeah I think that would help me I mean how we flow with water good honey Chris I think we're good okay all right that's all I have for tonight and we'll call the meeting adjourned may I have a a second that motion to oh motion to that's okay all in favor