##VIDEO ID:wqkWCaayXDY## Tuesday okay father God we just thank you for this day we thank you for your mercy and Grace we just ask for wisdom and Guidance with the city hall I thank you for the mayor and I thank you for all the councel and I do know that there's a lot of stuff on the agenda tonight so Lord we just thank you that we will have that wisdom we will talk about it and discuss and hear from the people and and make decisions on it and knowing that you're going to help us and guide us that this will be a great place to uh live and work and play in and and come together to be unified and I pray all this in Jesus name amen flag United States of America please Mayor John here vice mayor Linda Rodriguez here councilman David Mueller here councilman Robert hub here councilwoman Lisa Burke here City attorney Nancy Meyer here city manager Matthew CER here thank you um first up do we do we need to a swear again ceremony for Lisa that be the next waiting onal okay okay wasn't sure I thought we was gonna do it just okay good uh next thing I want to my understanding that Danny Field's birthday today so I wanted to wish him a happy birthday happy birthday so we want to ask you how old you are we just know you're old let's just say he's old enough that's heasy he's there all right uh okay first up approval of minutes I've got uh need a motion for the August 22nd 24th City Council budget Workshop minutes motion to approve 822 24 City Council budget work second motion second any further discussion all in favor saying I I opposed motion carries okay next up is comments from the general public I have one signed up D Fields birthday boy welcome okay well my name is Danny fields and my address is 8114 Leo kid and I just want to again thank you and I want to thank Lisa I'm glad that she got uh voted in so I appreciate her and we could just continue to work together as a team and make this a great place uh so I I I want to give some more thanks out I want I want to thank the police and the fire department and stuff uh especially we had uh Fall Fest in the park it was a pretty good turnout with all the disasters and everything going on we we was usually have about 400 so we we averaged about half about 200 that still was a good turnout I I thank the police for getting some toys and and the fire department and everybody that had a part of gathering the stuff and and uh making that a great time to just uh represent we had a lot of different people there we had music we had food fun and games and that just brings unity and it brings uh a place where like I said we could uh work together and just build a public Rel relationships with our communities and the businesses and the church and the people around and and those who came to it I I know Dave Mueller was there and he had a chance to speak and he lift up the city and a lot of good things and I thank you for that as well and the chief he's there of course he passed out candy and toys so it was a great thing but I do got some other stuff to move on to for time's sake uh so uh we do uh stuff with Dan and Julie which is called broken but beautiful Ministries and on uh Thanksgiving they will be delivering meals for those who sign up and they go and spend time with like elderly don't have family uh you know uh veteran or just people that that are lonely that don't have a lot of money or or if they do they just might want company and they go and spend time with them so it's uh going to be Thursday on Thanksgiving November 28th uh uh it again broken but beautiful and if anybody wants that I'll have this flyer I'll put it up out there but for those who watching online you could contact Dan and Julie knobs and their telephone number 727 80 8 8313 and then you could uh sign up and get a free meal and and and just have somebody fellowship with you because it gets lonely when you're by yourself on Thanksgiving but I also got a few minutes uh we work together with the churches around and we did stuff here in Port Richie as well as other areas but we had a big thing with Pascal live which is the church was in shims Park on November the 8th through and that was was a big event it brought a lot of stuff to them uh people was saved they was worshiped they had great uh people from uh in the entertainment business with you know like Joy FM and worship teams and vendors people were Sav people was baptized people was healed and delivered and it and it just brought blessings to the community and so we got to part to be a part of that with uh somebody cares and light of the world and other organizations and I talked to the mayor there and uh he was glad and he was there and he enjoyed the event so we'll continue to do these things here as well as other areas so thank you for your time and blessings his name thanks Dan that's all I had signed up but I show hands anyone else like to speak okay see I'll bring back uh comments from our city manager pass to Mr copper for his comments thank you um just wanted to uh bring Council a little bit up to speed on the uh debris collection so uh we are entering hopefully what is the final stages of uh the debris pickup at least the uh construction and house debris um we have it down although earlier we found out maybe there's a little bit more out there than what we had a record of to finish but generally we're thinking we'll be done uh with the last pass of the city this week we're running and and there's still a lot of going through the the numbers um for the cost and the total pickup but we're looking like from a uh from a contractor standpoint that we're going to be in the neighborhood of around 34 of a million dollars so it's a lot less than what we originally were thinking where we're looking upwards of $3 million we still have to finalize what our costs are um one of the components of our costs is what our dumping fees were um I don't know if we have everything in yet from uh the landfill so as soon as we have all those numbers worked out uh I'll provide a report to you so you can see what it costs ultimately um the city to do this debr but it being that we are hopefully finishing this week we are asking residents to no longer put things at the curve this this will be for some areas the third pass some areas there'll be a second pass um you know going forward we want to get our CRS going and doing some of the work that needs to be done that uh the Parks get those opened up as well as utilities so we need to start utilizing our our employees to do those type of things so again uh we put out I believe right before the 1 of November that by fourth that was the the deadline to get stuff out unfortunately I'm seeing it you know today I saw new stuff going out so we're going to be looking at how to handle that going forward but we are asking that residents do not to place anything additional of the Cur it that's it and I want to talk about uh Grand Boulevard us9 intersection but I thought I'd talk about that uh in Old business okay quick question on the um on the debris cost being much less than we anticipated did we already submit for that quick money from FEMA okay getting all the uh the invoices in you wanteded to have everything together to cool thank you okay um let's start with uh my right councilman [Music] H um we had a meeting on October 7th in regards to um where we letting our citizens know that they needed a permit and I asked the question it was discussed and under my um assumption that we were out telling everybody that needed full permit and I've been getting a rash of phone calls this week that no one was notified and they just got this letter I guess about a week or so ago that they needed to get permits explain that they need to get permits and they have their drywall up now they didn't know they needed a permit and it's they feel like they're getting victimized twice and I didn't know how that was being handled but I'm very curious on we were told that they were being notified and I know for sure the code enforcement's been driving all over he w't by my house a dozen times I'm out by the road and he drove right by me and wouldn't even stop say anything to me or any of my neighbors and obviously a lot of other people he never stopped to inform them uh and explain the necessity of getting a permit for them in the city so I I believe the billing department did make an effort to go around and speak to as many as they could before that letter went out but the letter was kind of after they identified what properties were kind of in that situation well I was ass assumption that we were making efforts to let everyone know and the letter would have been nice a month ago but we didn't get the letter you know door to door what I was told that we were going door to door to inform everybody but we weren't so we have a quagmire now of a good guy Tony a new building that was a concern I had who's going to be inspecting the houses how is that going to be done if we could explain to people to have a little bit of patience and it was required to get a permit for various reasons they can make that decision them at least they were aware of it and uh now Tony has to go out inspect houses and he's in a very volatile situation telling people that you know your drywalls up you can't inspect the houses now tell them to take their drywall down did they take pictures did they have receipts and make the right measures I don't know but it's really tough on him um he's very knowledgeable very helpful but he's in a bad situation and it's a shame that he's put in that position as well as our citizens so so the way that we've been kind of layering the the information so early on we started putting out on the website as well as um the different alerts that that you know work requires a permit when our crews were going out and doing some of the initial damage I mean I witnessed Veronica a lot of people that you know you need to you know pull permit based upon what we're seeing um you know was that 100% no I mean it just I think the expectation that we would contact 100% of the people um is not realistic but every every chance that we had we did I think when they started seeing so then that was kind of the first layer uh the next layer came in when they were out going around again I don't know if if code enforcement was stopping I know again I'll rely upon Veronica I know that you guys were out quite a bit talking to people as you saw them doing work and and knew that they were doing work um and that's not 100% of the people um the letter that was sent out was not necessarily to let him know that he needed to get permited was to give them the first notification that we we believe that they were probably going to be in the discussion of of 50% damage so I think it was 700 letters went out 84 784 letters and primarily that was in the special uh flood Hazard area um we again what we keep getting told by IMA that that these houses probably are substantially damaged and and so we're notifying people that that you know the next process you you need to come and talk to us next process is we have to now see if in fact you know you are 50% damage and and so that's what the intent of the letter was not tell them to come and get permits um and you know we do this on you know on the internet you have information on the internet um you know again short of knocking on every door which again is just not realistic with the manow that we have to knock on every door um yeah just a touch base about that so we are we have put in a request for additional assistance we are limited on staff okay um so we are going out and doing damage assessments as we did with your home when we were out there we are doing damage assessments when you pull permits but we are waiting for a team of a damage assessment it's called the damage assessment team to come in we are waiting for a group from State we had a meeting today for all day long from 11 to 4 with FEMA and fem again Florida Department of Emergency Management she could give us an update so I should be getting a call within the next four to five days they have approved us for some extra permit TXS they have approved us for extra code enforcement and they have approved us for a team of 10 to do damage assessments once we get that team in here we will be able to do knock door too and do those damage assessments like we did with the high water marks but unfortunately with a staff of two in the office and two in the field and one everywhere it's it's very difficult to go knocking now there is another letter that is going to go out to talks a little bit more about the substantial Improvement and the substantial damage and then there is a letter that will go out that will tell the homeowners the residents if they are substantially damaged in what their options are so we are working on those I just finished the letter we just got approval with it so those will be going out shortly within the next week or so as well so we're trying to move as fast as we can and we apologize if people are calling and leaving voicemails and getting frustrated but it's very difficult to work with over 800 residents that suffered this we're trying to move as fast as we can thanks BR can I I was not a Ed like you guys were but I think probably what I'm hearing is the frustration and the fact is it's been what five weeks since helem about five weeks and these people are unable to live in their homes and what you're saying and I totally appreciate that is that they're trying to fix their homes put sheetrock up and now we have to go in and inspect and the expectation is to take that sheetrock down is kind of unfair and and not and not appropriate so I mean they have to find temporary housing most of these people to live and we haven't even done the damage assessment not your fault not anybody's fault it's it's the way things are falling but I think we have to have some Grace for the residents that they need to get back in their homes as soon as possible because they're still paying for them and now they're paying for two places so I think that's am I am I speaking for you Bob I don't want to speak for you because I'm not in your situation but am I am I reading what you're saying correctly the lot of the situation is people don't want to be homeless and they want to get back in their house they want to get some normaly in their life and they're Liv in their house and they're putting the drywalls back up right and now they've been the process of flooring they got the house painted and now they get a letter saying they got to pull a permit what's going to happen so they're ask I go over and I explain to them well you got to have bioside did you put bioside in did you change your receptical did you clean out the boxes did you I have an electrician they can come out and show them what they can do themselves and also check their box their their they do a me test on all circus and and he can approve them and help them with the permit process but are they going to make him tear the drywall back out like Tony would he's gotten the spot is he gonna make him because he should make him pull the other dryw back out to inspect to see if there's any mold in there if it was done properly well the inspections that I've been with Tony on he is not asking can he most certainly can because permits should have been issued for all work done however in the homes that he has gone into so far where that has happened he is asking for a letter from an engineer to state that that has that that passes and that it's okay because he's ultimately signing off on that as a building official and he needs to certify that that's correct he has he has a license you know he's jeopardizing so did they put installation that's what I'm telling people save all your receipts if you took pictures save all your pictures be prepared to show them everything that you did mhm and you'll probably be all right because Tony's is a good guy who's willing to work in everybody so hopefully in that case but not everybody did that so he's put in a quagmire as well as homeowners and they're upset because they may not have all the receipts or someone helped them do it and they had the receipt for whatever and so it's it's uh for for a lot of people they do have the receipts and they did take pictures um but they didn't do it because of the insurance they did it because they want to get back in their house and they're back in their house and they got the drywall back up and they're feeling why did this letter come out now why what didn't I get this like four weeks ago and I don't I said I'm not telling anybody anything I'm not telling what Tony's going to do I'm just saying this is what you really need to do you need to have insulation here you need to have biocide you need to change the reciprocal this is how you need to do it I have electrici that will help you out with your permit and if you do all these things then you probably be You' be okay probably and that's all I can do is is help people that way sure and in the most cases I think they'll be all right but um four weeks ago we were going door too doing every door to door I understand if you can't do it door to door the letter should have been sent out a month ago is all I'm saying but it didn't happen so now here we are and if we're willing to work with these people because they don't want to get victimized twice so that's how I yeah so it basically what you're saying is is you know that notification process should have happened way earlier so and obviously this is a kind of impr precedented obviously this am of damage that's the problem and so the reality of it people people should know and that's that's where we need to really make sure we going forward we continue to educate and and maybe have workshops maybe once a year we have a hurricane preparedness Workshop where people come in we we we try to get the information out there keep it I mean we do a pretty good job now with the the new alerts and and whatnot but you know you still have to be receptive to receive that information right so there's you're not going to you're not going to get 100% of it out there well we'll know better next time right but here we are so people are telling them well you're not changing anything you're putting back everything the way it was so you don't need a permit they're wrong yeah but they didn't know better and they're not talking to the right people they didn't want to come to the city because you look busy yeah and they weren't able to but some people did some people did do the right thing but a lot of people just wanted to get their life back to normal and they didn't go through the right process they didn't think they needed to yeah and so one of one of the things that we need to do obviously because there's a there's a permit process that we have based on Flor ability code but also being in a in a flood plane uh you actually have to pull permits on everything even if it's you know be flooring or whatever and so we really need to uh work on getting education out there cuz ideally when an event like this happens before the as a person come back after the the damage has happened they should immediately gauge the city um engage a contractor get that permitting process started to see what where they're at obviously the city's going to take time to to develop the plan to to work with people that aren't being proactive in doing that but the reality is they should be being proactive in coming to City before they start hanging that drywall again I understand as well as anybody else we want to get back in our homes that goes without saying right but the problem is that you're what you don't want to do is you don't want to invest in having all your drywall fixed and then come to find out that you're significantly damaged past your 50% and you just basically threw money in a trash can um in an effort to get back in your home because in reality you're not going to be able to get back in your home again if that goes down to where you're over the 50% so there's a there's a lot of unfortunate things in in the process here that that puts people in that situation so you don't want to rush to do that without engaging the city because you could end up investing in a property that you can't invest in unless you put it in air and so we've got to do a better job of of educating people and obviously I understand all that and talked but not everybody does and that was that's your point obviously is it'd be nice if that letter would have went out right after the storm so that people were ready and again that's that's definitely something that we need to look at in a future event that we you know send something out right especially this the scale but you know this doesn't happen a lot so you know it's definitely a lesson to learn so I I definitely hear you we need to do a better job of communicating that I'll pass over vice mayor Rodriguez um I also wanted to bring up a t that I didn't see but you've already done that so I appreciate that so that's being done okay and since there's a oh sorry sorry thank you since there's another little thing in the Gulf or going to the Gulf have we identified like any of the ditches like the really big ones that we could address to help with drainage for this next week yeah actually I think the crews are starting addressing now yeah they've been working on drainage keep up on that that's they do that regardless because of our annual reporting anyway so that has to that routine maintenance has to keep occurring one way or the other all right because we have another thing that's potentially heading our way in the next week or two so I just want to make sure that we were trying to mitigate any potential F the thing that's it thank you I should have asked were you finished B I didn't mean to pass it I'm done okay come back to council H mu where shall I start hold that while we're while we're on this we had a storm and a flood a year ago so that process have been etched already so the fact that we weren't prepared again um leads me to believe that there's lack of procedures and getting ready for things like this so that being said uh I think everybody's on the same page that we all need to do a better job communicating uh now the website is a good place not everybody has access to that through a computer or a cell phone um but I think uh certainly we should have been sending letters out ahead uh ahead of time and the fact that now uh with the FEMA rules at the 50% uh and now it becomes a critical factor of whether one these people can get back in their house or not um that becomes an interesting Quagmire uh at what point in time does the drywall in fact need to be inspected before it goes in or after it's done that's an inspected question that you should know that answer I mean this is a simple question do we know when it is what can we give people in the city some guidance and and we ought to be guiding people because sounds like and I get the question a lot too sounds like Bob has um that we're not communicating effectively so that needs to be addressed maybe if you put something on the website and says hey drywall needs to be inspected before it goes up so that they can one see that the cavity is clean and to that the electricals dealt with sounds like an electrical inspection too so that's two inspections that probably need to be insulation and insulation that's three so these are these are things that we can communicate to the people in this community and give them information they can work with because there's a lot of level of frustration out there let me tell you um I noticed that you guys have this Forerunner is it Forerunner um out on the web it's buried four levels deep in the on the website I believe if this is going to be information that one we're pertaining to uh helping people understand the nature of uh and to the extent of their damage this ought to be elevated up to the top level so that people can find it and I appreciate the fact that you use my property as an example but I would rather had a property that had data behind it so that people could see how it works and what it looks like uh I think that was a great idea maybe in fact somebody could tape somebody going through this and talking people through it and understanding how that process works um I think it's a tool uh that you guys are using to establish whether people properties are damaged more than 50% is that correct um and I believe we're we're trying to get that data from I guess Pascal County and stuff right we connect to them so I I think it's a good thing uh but maybe we need to uh kind of elevate it a little higher up in the in the website links so that people can actually uh find it and and see it because it's kind of hidden okay and I can find it but I'm pretty technical myself so it it was kind um let's see where do we start here I'll just start at the beginning right okay let's um let's look at the police report on the monthly report so since we get these only um at the beginning uh I know that uh we were using a new auction uh uh company to address that has has have we had any Vehicles sell or any any response back from them are we getting good results or we haven't had any Vehicles go there yet we just got the contract signed uh last week okay but the first level is are going to be all the ones out there at Tampa machine that's all done we received the check have nothing left okay they sold it for us okay good good um it might be a good idea for you to put you know whenever we get revenues in here it might be a good thing to say hey we collected $5 or $100 or whatever from them um uh I've also gotten uh uh notes from residents indicating that there are still people going around this city is probably vacant by probably 700 people residents that are vacant they're not living there uh therefore there's people driving around that don't belong here uh if we can possibly increase some of the patrols and and do some checks to see that people were appropriate to be there I ran into a person the other night and challenged them they were actually doing a measurement on their house that's one side of it this morning there was a guy waiting there and for the owner and I knew he was there actually I actually ended up letting him in but the point is is there's a lot of contractors in in our neighborhoods we don't know who they are and it just you know makes sense to pay close attention to that um do we have any updates on the dispatch and the thereof so the City attorney has finished the review of the um interlocal I'll be sending it back to Pasco County for their their review of it and hopefully that's going to be coming to the 1 of December perfect thanks for that update um any any updates on the patrol boats getting to the lift we had they're ready to go on the lift we didn't put it out because we didn't know what Raphael was going to do and put them out and the bring them back didn't make any sense so they're ready to go see what Sarah's gonna do at this point and I know you had uh you had some switches that were tggo switches it were bad on the one are they they had to reorder them there but but that doesn't prevent us from using got it um fire well the fire guys aren't here uh I noticed that they had some issues the plumbing issues I thought we were trying to get those addressed U and you guys are working out a shared calendar for the boat does that mean when you guys both go out in the boat or do you guys use it separately it depends if they have training or we have training go separately because they're specific through our function right and we offer them we're going on on patrol they want to go they can go if they have someone available if not go out on nor but you guys are working through that yes good um there was a flotation dock that or a that floated off from the seaside is that still sitting out there tied to the day marker in the no I'm assuming it still is we need to get somebody to pull that back to shore because they uh Mike tied it to the day marker so it wouldn't blow into somebody's home at the time when this thing was everything was floating free um I believe it he's indicated that it C it came loose from Seaside um on something about um the number of manual reads that we have with utility are we looking to update those to automatic uh reads yeah we we well we'll always have manual reads from one form or another all depending on the situation but we're we're constantly uh switch those manuals to to automate it but depending on rainfall position everything like that you're always going to have a manual reading there's always going to be a list do we have an inventory of all of that and see kind of what it's going to take to in other words we got a thousand manual reads and no it's nothing like that it's not it's not a thousand it's it varies between I would say between 250 300 a month give or take and these are predominantly residential mostly residential but like I said it's it if you have a strong rainfall the night before when you carry over those readings then you're going to have several manual readings because you have to bring over the readings at a certain time of the month in order to get your 30-day you know usage so that next day you'll generate a list of the of those non non-re manual readings and it all depends I mean if if someone Parks their car over that over that meter box you won't get a straight signal if it's if it's submerged in water you know because it was a hard rain the night before you're not going to get a you're not going to get a automatic reading so those will vary from month to month but uh Daryl and the rest of the crew are making an effort to to switch over the ones that they you know that they can't and they'll always you'll always be switching them over it's an ongoing main maintenance thing because the batteries batteries for the automatic read only last so long so you're always going to have to change them out I believe darl address that when we're going through the budget about the the one line where we're replacing meters and I can't remember I think last year there was upwards of 400 uh reads man reads being and a lot of those were due to just the the meter is not working and so over the last year they've been spending money and replacing those right because when we can do an automatic we can put the put the people to work doing other things right so I don't want side of that in the grant section there was a number 17 uh for FDLE um says um the request was expected on 9124 the request was denied and that was a grant for land Nicks Park boat ramp replacement for 650k do we know why we were denied or what happened there it did not make can you Podi when the projects were reviewed by the team member at FDLE I don't think it was FDLE FD you're right FTE FD um it didn't make the budget line below the budget line this time so we just have to come back for more did they give us any input to you know I mean no they typically don't you just you know what the strengths are it I can't answer that question I really don't know what criteria they use or why they judge them the way they do or rank them the way they do that's that one um on the active lngs uh I see that there appears to be a lot of these that are paid off do they need to be dropped off and move to another list so that we can only focus on the 60 to 70,000 that are active leans and then can we do anything to uh kind of get payment can we foreclose on these things because you know these are the the bigger items where you know we did a demo or something along those lines uh I I think this is a a good piece of information here but I don't want them to age out here for 20 years and then drop off and we lose lose track of them um and you know the fact that you got a lot of these collected I think that's all good news um and that's a story there and if we could put totals at the bottom of the page so we know hey we've collected X dollar we have outstanding X dollar and now I know how big a problem or not a problem we have right it's just I think good for 20 years too aren't they yeah they yeah they are good but hey you've lost uh cash flow on the money for 20 years I don't think I want to be in that position I'll be dead you know maybe the city will too I don't want that to happen you know uh I think what we need to do is pay attention to the little stuff and the big stuff takes care of itself um there's a grant Workshop coming up on 1210 is it 1210 are you you aware of that I think that'd be a good thing to um maybe have a couple people attend um they've got some things going on there and I also huh where's it at it's online I think it's Florida Le uh Florida no it's Pasco it's Pasco it was originally scheduled um I believe the beginning of October during the Hurricane by Bill aras's office yeah and so they have rescheduled it for the 10th and I registered good I'm not sure sure I guess that'd be Matt's call if he wants somebody else to attend or listen in I think it's a it's a webinar weinar so you can sit at your desk and you know have listen I used to do that um also I found some resources out um out on the the web for FEMA uh and this is a a FEMA uh document uh p758 are you guys aware of that one it's like a uh a guideline on the 50% substantial damage yeah 758 yeah we just got told about it today okay four yep yep uh good information on that explains a lot of uh good stuff there um that's all I got it that enough I could create some more got all all right Council woman Burke I've got a question Veronica with's see um you said 784 letters were sent out then you said a second round of letters that's going to go out and then also for the people that have damages over 50% another letter what happens when the inspector goes out does the damages assessment tells a person they're over 50% does he leave them with any kind of documentation so he's going to come back into the office and work the numbers I've never heard him tell anybody that he's under the 40 the 50% or over the 50% in the field he may have said that once or twice but after that he stopped doing that so he comes in and then we're we're creating the letter we just got approval from FEMA today with the letter that we've created so those letters should be going out so anywhere from five to six days we're we're trying to get them out within the week that's what I went to time because you have these people that are sitting there just no I know they're waiting they're in limbo they're worried they don't they don't know what to do they don't know so what kind of time frame is something actually happening where they because they didn't receive anything at the moment obviously quicker the and I understand you're under staff but yeah I mean we're we're moving as fast regardless of staff I mean we're moving as fast as we can with what you know with the information we have we're trying to go as fast as we can I understand it's just you know people call conern because each person is concerned about their own you know yeah yeah that's really all I had okay um two things the um one I just want to kind of plant a seed in the in the effort of potentially improving things right um we've traditionally had comments from the the mayor and city council at the front of the meeting and sometimes that like tonight we were already 45 minutes in can get kind of lengthy and we have business items obviously that need to be taken care of and with those business items folks come in um and are waiting and waiting waiting sometimes U contractors would probably are billing us for that time or whatever um so I know that Newport Richie actually has this kind of commentary at the end of their meeting um so I don't know if that's something we maybe entertain changing obviously we need to have the conversations or whatever but it might be better served at the end of the meeting so that the agenda item get taken care of first and do that just a thought um we don't have toine on that tonight but I just want to kind of put that out there as maybe an effort to proove things we could we could look at that um any with your experience is that it's a mixture I see it done both ways not there's not one one right way it's whatever works best I mean there's an advantage to having it up front because the public can hear these conversations and they don't have to wait you know a couple hours into the meeting um but then again they have to wait a couple you know wait a little bit to get to the stuff they maybe really hear want they're here about wanting to hear so come out very well but you get my point it's you know there's a good case to have it in front good case to have it in the back just if you got think about it maybe come back to the next meeting you want to entertain that change we can we can look at that I think it might be something we could try to might improve things um the second thing is uh I guess it was a week and a half couple weeks ago was the was the uh the witches and warlocks event that they had where they P mayor Chopper Davis who's here tonight um came up the river and they they passed a centennial pad on to the city so their centennials that just finished this this past couple weeks ago um and they kind of passed the Baton us where're ours is coming up next year and so uh myself as on hand Council Mueller vice mayor Rodriguez all three of us were there for that but I wanted to redo that kind of for the public here um because it really was a nice gesture and so I have Chopper here if you want to come up and say a few words with your paddle and then uh I'll come down and accept that the city you gonna paddle you with I hope not start although he's relatively frail I don't think he heard that much first of all I'd like to thank you for inviting me inviting me um this has been a um a great growth here in my opinion uh um for the last 100 years um I think uh does anybody know who Charles Huff Huffman is he was your first mayor just got to say you know so anyhow M Mr Huffman and I and um Avery were kind of buddies and they kind of worked together and um I wasn't I wasn't Dr um Avery did not deliver me I'm not that old but I am old older than him older than him but um what also happened um you know I I've been in town since 83 and um I never saw the collaboration between the two cities and and Eric and I got stuck at um a Florida Liga cities conference where the Mayors are there there was like 300 Mayors and we looked around and we only knew each other so we became friends then was like two or three months after we got elected but I think we started work together you know just different ideas and one of the ideas is the spine of of the two cities which is the river you know and so I thought well maybe if um since we're having our um 100th anniversary you guys are having your 100th anniversary in May that we might paddle up the river and present this um um paddle so we since we've been paddling together for a 100 years and so that was what was my my v and I appreciate Linda coming I appreciate Dave coming and um you know um this whatever her name Lisa over there Lisa was like up up the river she waved as we went by but um but it was real nice to greet us and we passed this paddle on and it's for the people at home as well as the people here tonight but if you want to come down and I'll give you the paddle it it has a centennial and then of course has both cities on it and it says um paddling together for 100 years so battle basically Newport Richie Centennial has both the dates there Port Richie and then pad together for 100 years very nice token so thank you thank we'll go front here by yourself I have fun of my meetings so we can officially say that Newport Richie is down the river Without a Paddle yeah there you go don't get Amanda or Mary Jane to look at pictures because they'll Del him that's right so we'll I'll give this a get this in our display case nice thank you CH it was very nice very nice as as one of my constituents uh finally says this is the Trail of Two Cities this is our Trail okay thank you that's all I had thanks for coming CH uh next up is are comments from board's committees did CC me no they cancel um for the Centennial committee um I we're going to cover the events um so I the only other thing that we we talked about was the lowo there was a little snafu on the on the logo sad we have an update on what our plan is for that for the logo um I've talked to the City attorney today she's still drafting the um aavid to give to the honor and we are still modifying the picture I'll be meeting up with fire department this week to take some more photos and then we should I should be able to have something by our next meeting okay and I can't remember if we discuss or not but basically the the photo that was used was was somebody's photo and so we reached out to them they wanted compensation for it and there was they want I guess got an agreement that n reviewed it we decided it wasn't going to pursue that so we're looking at actually taking our own photo or using some other photo that we have rights to to put in there trying to mimic it the best we can um so the logo should relatively stay the same but just a slight picture change so um more to come on that and then that's that's all I had from the Centennial committee any other board committees okay moving on to the consent agenda look for a motion motion second for discussion anyone public comment uh I have one quick comment on this I had several meetings ago I think maybe it was before actually Matt got here um you'll see the consent agenda has on side it has the account and it has the remaining Budget on it um that was that was good step and kind of what I was getting at but it hasn't really changed since then what I was really wanting to see so the council look at that when they see the consens agenda they actually see the amount left to give us an idea of where we're at um but everything that has multiple accounts that's allocated across we don't have any exposure into that I don't know what kind of work it would be to kind of summarize that from a from a management tool it's we want to kind of keep on track of what we've budgeted and again on there maybe it would it would show budgeted amount uh actual to date and then a a Delta so that we kind as we go through the years we get closer to the end of the fiscal year we kind of have an idea that we've overspent or we're underspent um the way it is now it's it's it was a step in the right direction give a little insight but it was it wasn't quite there so I don't know if it's something we could improve upon well just the the insurance alone would be about 29 line items and then you'd have to you know carry it over same thing with the I mean the wex card the fuel card isn't as much but it's just a a law that just put it in there um we could try to create a spreadsheet with with that on there and just add those in there but um the way I mean we could try to do that I mean I would assume that we as you guys are tracking along the budget there's a there's a summary that pulls all that together and kind of tells you where you're at I mean when you when you close the books and stuff like right here 74 pages and and it just it the way way you take it out of each line item you know it just it it creates a I mean the only thing you can do is just so we have a we have a spreadsheet for our I can bring that to you a spreadsheet for like for our insurance it's a it's a two-page document and basically it has every line item that we charge it to and how much it's being charge to and every employee on there I that's kind of I mean that would be the easiest thing to do um but when you go through there it's a like literally it's about 28 or 29 actual line items that she yeah plugs those into um and some like the Duke Energy and there 65 accounts and they come out of different areas so you're trying to you know when you're trying to I mean I can go through every every you know fund and every fund is broken down into different things as well so you could you could do that all spreadsheet it's just going to you know well I don't want to create a lot of extra work I just if it's readily available what I was really looking for when I when I brought that up was you know here's here's what we got to approve for expenditures where we at so if it if it's going to be too much work to get to it then I don't I can run a report I mean uh for the fuel I mean some of it's going to I mean it's not going to pull up everything but I can I can run a report just like I can I mean I can run a report for the insurance and the F FRS contribution it'll it'll break it down but like I said it's going to you know it's going to be and maybe on stuff like that it's not as important I'm more like attorney cost or whatever it's it's it's she's not broken down that much it's just a few funds or whatever we kind of get an idea where that's going other bigger things like that not to call you out there but that was when the original thought was is kind of keep track of that I mean I it would be easier to like do it like quarterly I mean that way it's not so much work every single time you you and that would be that wouldn't be bad if we did I could have her I talk to her tomorrow we'll put something together and bring it to you quarterly so you can kind of see where we're at uh every every quarter and then kind of go from there you'll think about it just see if there's any way we can approve that to to be able to get an idea where we're at let me ask a question on that sure these are all accounts payable they're not in the books yet right uh no these are these have been these have been paid so like the insurance wait a minute time out you just told me they've been paid I thought that's what we were trying to do is approve them so some of them have been paid the FRS has to be paid it so we're required to do that the in the insurance has to be paid um WX Bill we pay that on the seventh of every month so it's already been paid um but I mean you you know you guys they have to be paid when when you're talking about a 7% I I don't I don't disagree uh for the most part these are all budgeted expenses mhm expenditures these are all below budget at this time we don't have an overrun right right I mean we got one month in year right uh as the year goes on that can change but for the most part these are all normal things of regular business so do we really need to beat this to death or do we need to pull out the red light camera no I don't like I said I just just give us it's more so as we get later in the year a good Al I mean I don't know tracking that yeah I don't know how it was before I mean I I go through this uh every every week we pay we pay bills every week so I go through it every week we we've got on a new program about POS and stuff like that so we you know my my main thing is just make sure it's being put to the right account so that that's what we do and if if there is something that's off you know obviously I'll go Toler and let him know now with uh with this I don't I don't mind it it it's going to be a little extra work especially you know on Ming uh her Parts but we can make that happen it's just you know you know you're almost asking for the transaction level detail or the journal entry that put that's what I would that's what I would give you give them the journal entry yeah no I don't I'm not looking for that I'm just a high level that's kind of what he's got to do yeah well that's okay I just figured it was there's something out there that would sum all that up how about how about every uh quarter I come in you guys can say okay where are we at I can kind of we're have budget RWS at least mid year maybe is it we do this Le do yeah well given that because I think in the past that NE had necessarily happened I don't know I think just we had the budget was that was it till next year not so if we're having corly updates maybe we just take this off all together just leave because that's agenda so we just save all that yeah thank you because we want to work smart yeah so if if everybody agrees just we can go and take those end columns out so because kind of half gives the information I just really have it all all or nothing so take it out we'll do do it on accordly so you don't have to put line item you want quarterly or you want do yeah we'll cover it in quarterly budget reviews okay okay so just take what you have agenda and just say here's who we're paying here's the amount got the way it used to be okay so all in favor say by saying I I opposed motion Carri okay um we have two public hearings tonight uh first item number three first reading of ordinance number 24698 and I believe they're going to the presentation is going to be covering both that and the number 24699 but I'll pass it to Mr copper for introduction uh so the first uh item is for the the Blom the future land use map uh of the city and there was a request brought in and went through planning recommended to council to amend the current uh future land use map of the city uh for the applicant paral to Move It from a residential future land use category to commercial mixed use future land use category thanks and so from The public's understanding these uh the first ordinance number 24698 is a legislative action by the council uh subsequently the 24699 is a quasi judicial process for the council um but again they they cross over so we're going to go through all the um uh detail and presentations together and then we'll act separately on those and I'll also open up for public count comment separately for us so with that I will pass it to um City attorney who read quasa judicial procedures thank you this is a quasi judicial proceeding where the city council acts on a quasi judicial rather than a legislative capacity and as the mayor mentioned this quasa judicial is just for ordinance 24699 as at a quasa Judicial hearing it is not council's function to make law but rather apply law that has already been established in a quasa Judicial hearing council is required to required by law to make finding a fact based upon the evidence presented at the hearing and apply those findings a fact to the previously established criteria contained in the city's code of ordinance in order to make a legal decision regarding the application before Council the council may only consider evidence at the hearing that the law considers competent substantial and relevant to the issues if competent substantial and relevant evidence at the hearing demonstrate the applicant has met the criteria established by the city's code of ordinances then council is required by law to find in favor of the applicant by the same token if the competent substantial and relevant evidence inter hearing demonstrates the applicant has failed to meet the criteria established in the code of ordinances council is required byw of finded against the applicant at this time I would ask each member of council any expert take Communications regarding the application for ordinance 24699 which is the resoning only so I I for one to spoken with applicant a couple times briefly about that okay um just kind of give a general idea what was discussed so obviously he's the property owner and I actually I actually abut that property property I own as well and just general discussion about um you know what he wanted to do with the property anyone else yes I've had U he was sitting next to me in that last meeting and I had discussion about how much flood water he took on to his property uh the city has a ditch that butts his property and another property uh along that same area and wanted to know well how much water they sustained I guess across the street to the West they you know those houses were pretty and data anyone else okay next I will ask if any member of council feels they have a conflict of interest with the application for ordinance 24699 hearing none anyone that's going to testify in today's hearings needs to stand and raise their right hand and face the clerk the applicant our planner is appearing remotely just everyone knows you raise your right hand and uh swear or affirm do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth than nothing but the truth I do thank you be I do our planner Tammy okay with that we'll move right to the next step which uh is a staff presentation so I'll pass that to Tammy Tammy has provided a um digital presentation um she's currently on the road so it's going to be a video PowerPoint um are you gonna want me to go through both them yeah okay so I'll pull up the um first that yes she also provided proun I believe this we' done as her presentation okay thank you and obviously she's on the line after to answer any questions that you guys have or the applicant has we'll go through both presentations yes I'll just say that while while um Ashley is getting everything ready we're going to hear both presentations from the planner then the applicant will have an opportunity to ask any questions or give you any information he wants to give you you'll all have a chance to question the planner and the applicant um but when we get to the part of of public comment that's when we'll take them separate so we'll make sure that the legislative um decision regarding the future land use map is addressed first and then the um request for the rezoning will be addressed separately second good evening mayor and members of the city council my name is Tammy Verana I'm a member of the American Institute of certified planners and I serve as the city's on call planner thank you for this opportunity to make this presentation virtually while I'm traveling for a previous commitment the request at hand is for a comprehensive plan future land use map Amendment for property located at 88202 cormell Street the applicant for the request and owner of the property is y Smith Properties LLC tonight's hearing serves several essential purposes in the city's review process first the details of the request will be presented by City staff and the applicant the hearing will provide an opportunity for community members to provide in the request city council will consider whether this proposed amendment aligns with the goals objectives and policies of the city's comprehensive plan and vote on the proposed ordinance at its first of two readings by Council this Pro proc fulfills the necessary procedural requirements but also reinforces transparency in how land use changes are conducted within the city this amendment request involves a specific parcel that is currently designated residential on the city's future land use map the applicant is requesting the designation be changed to the commercial mixed use future land use category per the amendment application the owner's intent is to build one to three Warehouse sloff buildings to support service-based companies such as Plumbing or electrical contractors or other office types that do not require visibility on a major thoroughfare and generate limited traffic the subject parcel is pointed out in this aerial photo the parcel is located at 8202 cormell Street in the Incorporated area of the city of Port Richie the subject parcel is situated at the southeast corner of cormell Street and Miles Boulevard the parcel's land area is approximately 070 Acres our planner is Tammy okay with that integrates with the surrounding neighborhood Fabric and Street Network the surrounding development pattern is characterized by low intensity development primarily singl story buildings with green spaces the undeveloped area north of Miles Boulevard is part of the water drainage Network that convey storm water from us9 west to Miller valou this bird's eye view of the subject parcel shows the approximated parcel boundary and how it relates to the adjacent properties at the top of the photo are single and two family homes commercial businesses are visible in the lower half of the photo the photo shows how the subject parcel connects to the broader Street network via cormel Street a two-lane local street with no sidewalks this view provides a closer look at the scale and orientation of nearby buildings relative to the subject parcel including the degree to which the parcels are occupied by structures pavement and yard area the Cent parcel's future land use designation is residential its purpose is to provide for a range of housing types to meet the diverse housing needs of the community both present and future this category primarily allows residential uses but also allows limited non-residential uses subject to a maximum floor area standard and PUD planned unit development zoning conditions being proposed for the subject parcel is the commercial mixed use category this category allows for a more flexible mix of uses including compatible light manufacturing uses it's intended to promote development that blends commercial residential and or office uses to create mixed use areas rather than isolated single use zones per City policy the commercial mixed use category is to be used in locations that are appropriate for commercial development given the extent of commercial designations and development that has evolved on the east side of cormell street the location of the subject parcel is appropriate for the commercial mixed use designation staff evaluated the proposed amendment relative to the city's adopted goals objectives and policies of the Port Richie comprehensive plan Florida Statutes mandates that comprehensive plans provide for the compatibility of adjacent land uses a requirement which is reflected in the city's plan goal L1 sets the overarching vision of promoting compatible land in the city policy l. 1.6.2 address is the importance of ensuring that community health safety convenience and general welfare are reasonably and properly protected upon development of new land uses objective l. 1.10 emphasizes the need to improve and enhance the visual appearance of neighborhoods and Commercial areas policy L1 11.2 requires that all future developments enhance maintain and compatible with existing land use patterns finally policy l. 1.11.1 calls for the use of zoning regulations to prohibit incompatible land uses the comprehensive plan serves at the city's framework to ensure that land use and development proposals are integrated thoughtfully into the existing neighborhood context with minimal adverse impact staff analyzed the existing land uses surrounding the subject parcel to assess compatibility of the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment the areas shown in yellow are residential which include developed and vacant residential lands the areas in pink show existing commercial uses which include stores offices a warehouse and vacant lands as as part of the compatibility analysis staff looked at the future land use designations of parcels in the vicinity of the subject parcel this analysis helps determine how well the proposed change aligns with the city's vision for land use and growth in this area on the city's adopted future land use map Parcels designated as res residential shown in yellow on the map are located north and west of the subject parcel Parcels deated as CMU commercial mixed use shown in pink are clustered to the east and south of the subject parcel St analyzed the zoning designations surrounding the subject parcel to help evaluate the proposed amendments alignment with the existing zoning framework and intended character of the neighborhood on the city's official zoning map Parcels designated as R22 family residential shown in yellow a the subject parcel on two sides Parcels designated as C3 General commercial highlighted in pink above but the subject parcel on the east and south side these Parcels are predominantly situated along US Highway 19 and have access to the highway this slide shows the maximum allowable development under the current and proposed future land use categories for the subject parcel under the current residential category the maximum development yield allows for up to 12 residential units and a non-residential floor area up to 7,623 square ft the residential designation is primarily intended for residential uses but provides for limited commercial uses that would be comp compatible with nearby residential uses the proposed commercial mixed use category maintains the same maximum residential yield of 12 units however it would significantly increase the allowable non-residential floor area to 18,295 sare Ft this increase in non-residential capacity would accommodate a broader range of commercial uses some of which could be incompatible with residential neighbor neighborhoods staff evaluated the proposed amendments potential impact on key public infrastructure and services for which level of service standards are adopted in the comprehensive plan this analysis looked at the potential for future development to exceed these service levels which could affect the city's ability to approve a site plan and or building permits staff reviewed the available and programmed capacity of the city's water supply and treatment facilities Wastewater SL sanitary sewer facilities storm water drainage facilities Solid Waste Disposal facilities and transportation facilities Parkland and recreational facility standards would apply if future development included a residential component except for transportation facilities the level of SP analysis concluded that adequate capacity exists to support future commercial development on the subject parcel a city ordinance allows traffic impacts associated with development to be mitigated through a proportionate fair share impact fee based on the foregoing analysis staff finds that the proposed amendment to reclassify the subject parcel from the residential land use designation to the commercial mixed use designation is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan the commercial mixed use designation accommodates a range of commercial and mixed uses the current residential designation also permits some commercial uses however it imposes stricter limitations including a lower floor area ratio the reclassification of the subject parcel to commercial mixed use would enable the requested commercial uses to be integrated more effectively with the adjacent commercial proper properties as to Neighborhood compatibility future zoning and site development decisions will play a critical role in mitigating potential impacts on adjacent homes and vacant residential lots such measures will help align the project with the city's goals for land use compatibility minimizing disruptions to nearby residents and property values this approach respects both residential and Commercial needs and supports the community's vision for orderly and harmonious growth this slide outlines staff's recommendation regarding the proposed amendment to the comprehensive plan future land use map based on staff's analysis the amendment is found to be consistent with the adopted goals objectives and policies of the city's comprehensive plan staff therefore recommends that the city council approve ordinance number 24- 698 to facilitate council's decision a sample motion is provided this concludes staff's presentation on the request for comprehensive plan Amendment and now we're going to move on to the presentation for the $699 correct this request is for the resoning of property located at 820 to cormell Street the applicant for the request and owner of the property is y Smith property LLC the purpose of this public hearing is the same as described in the previous case except the ordinance under consideration is number 24- 699 the request involves a specific parcel that is currently zoned R22 family residential on the city's zoning map the applicant is requesting a zoning change to the C3 General commercial zoning District the intended use of the property is stated in the application and shown verbatim on this Slide the subject parcel is located at 8202 cormell Street this view of the subject parcel shows the development pattern and Street Network in the surrounding neighborhood the approximated parcel boundary of the subject parcel and its relationship to the adjacent properties are shown in this view where the yellow X is shown next to for street is the subject parcel's current access point to the transportation Network other applicant owned properties shown in the photo by the dashed pink line are also accessed from this driveway none of these properties have access to us19 or other collector or arterial roads cormell street is classified as a local Street street view photos were taken in August of this year shown here are views of the subject parcel from cormell Street including the current access point shown here are views of cormell Street looking and North the top photo shows where the paved segment of Miles Boulevard ends near cormell Street immediately north of the subject parcel the bottom photo shows miles Boulevard near the subject parcel looking West to Old Post Road this slide examines the current and proposed zoning districts the subject parcel's current zoning R22 family residential permits a range of low to moderate density housing types as well as other uses allowable through special decisionmaking processes for example professional office can be permitted in the R2 District as a special exception use the proposed C3 General commercial District provides for 40 different commercial uses as permitted uses including all permitted uses in the C1 Community commercial District it is conceivable that many of these commercial uses would be incompatible with the adjacent homes the residential neighborhood and the local Street Network shown in this table for comparison is the subject parcel's maximum allowable development under the current and proposed zoning districts as well as various development standards under the current R2 District district office use cannot exceed 7,623 ft single family and two family residential uses are limited to four units and six units respectively in comparison the C3 District would up to 12 units or 18,295 Square ft of nonr this image shows the maximum building Heights for the existing and proposed zoning districts under R2 the tallest allowable building is 32 ft approximately 3 stories while seat 3 allows up to 72 ft approximately six to seven stories this photo shows the width of cormell Street a two-lane by directional local street with 9ft travel Lanes Pasco way a 20ft wide Street and Miles Boulevard a 10-ft wide Street provide cormal street with connectivity to The Collector and arterial roadway Network resilon request was evaluated against the same comprehensive plan policies as for the plan Amendment request the comprehensive plan serves as the city's framework to ensure that rezonings and development proposals fit the existing neighborhood context and result in minimal or no adverse impact to help in assessing the resoning requests compatibility with the surrounding area staff analyzed the existing land uses future land use designations and Zoning designations surrounding the subject parcel except for transportation facilities the level of service analysis concluded that adequate capacity exists to support future commercial development on the subject parel a city ordinance allows traffic impacts associated with development to be mitigated through a proportion of the 19 criteria in the city's Land Development code that are considered for rezonings six Stand Out is concerns relative to introducing C3 zoning in this location the proposed C3 zoning could impact the living conditions of nearby residents by introducing higher intensity uses that may affect the area's residential character C3 zoning allows for higher traffic generating uses which could place additional strain on local streets impacting Traffic Safety potential commercial uses permitted in the C3 District may have implications for nearby property values affecting the stability of the surrounding neighborhood for similar reasons C3 uses could deter future residential improvements and investment in the area the resoning must align with the city's comprehensive plan which prioritizes compatibility with surrounding uses in most cases it is ideal for building facades on opposite sides of the stream to have a degree of visual Harmony this doesn't mean each side needs to be identical but they should share common Design Elements like Building height setbacks andage treatments to create a cohesive streetcape such continuity preserves of neighborhood the city has buffer requirements in the Land Development code but they address only rear or side property lines the Land Development codes perimeter Landscaping requirements address the front yard but only through vegetation these are some things to consider as Council makes it decision [Music] decision based on the analysis staff finds the proposed amendment to reone the subject parcel from the R22 family District to the C3 General commercial District would facilitate the subject parcel's integration with the J commercial properties however not all C3 uses would be compatible with existing homes and future residential development in the area this zoning and eventual site development decisions can help mitigate potential impacts on presidential uses based on staff's analysis these recommendations are offered for council's consideration first place conditions on the resoning as recommended by the Planning and Zoning Board stated here and in ordinance number 24699 then find the proposed resoning consistent with the comprehensive plan and approve ordinance number 24699 a sample motion is provided for 's [Music] consideration this concludes staff's presentation we welcome any questions comments or additional feedback thank you thanks virtual [Music] Tammy so the next step would be to allow the applicant to question staff which be did you have any questions for Tammy I don't okay so that makes that easy um so the next step would be Council have an opportunity to question Tammy did any of you ask have questions guys G she's not on but I know I'm just confused if this is not about question thank you a general question um in the previous gild doog site we're pushing residential because we can get more Revenue more taxes let's increase the residential increase the residential there's going to be mixed use with with some commercial but the the the emphasis is on residential we got to get the residential so we can get more tax base into our city this takes the residential away and puts it into commercial that needs to be Saed for your discussion okay later okay so that's keep that thank you keep that um that's more a discussion oriented I didn't know I'm sorry no perfect perfect um gives me something to do and it was and it was just a general statement not about this it was just a general statement for our city in general so hopefully Tammy will jump back on so if anyone does have a question she's back on so what were the conditions here we Tamm are you there I'm here sorry I was watching on YouTube and I think there's a delay so sorry if I've been hanging out so just to catch you up so the the applicant The Next Step was applicant had opportunity to question uh staff and he he did not have any questions and now we're at the council questioning staff okay okay very good I think Lisa Lisa has a question right so then the last thing you read on the last thing was um Place conditions on the rezoning as recommended by the Planning and Zoning Board where are those conditions they recommended they're in a on page 24 of her um PowerPoint that blue what's in blue it's also the ordinance since the owner shall develop the property for use only as Warehouse Office Buildings to support service based companies that do not require visibility on a major Thorofare and generate limited traffic the owner further agrees to sufficient buffering is determined by the city to buffer the properties used from neighboring Residential Properties and that was from yes and so um there is a development agreement that's the wrong term restriction agreement that we'll see attached to the ordinance for the resoning um should that be requested by Council and approved by Council moving forward it would be signed by um the applicant and that would be filed in the official records so that anyone looking at that property would know that that's the restrictions on that property at at this time and I see there were a complaints from the building department from the police department from all the way through they all approved yep any other questions for Tammy um it's very difficult to hear on this Zoom the the YouTube is perfect but I can't hear you have to really speak into your microphone and it yeah well she can hear you from there so if you have a question just say Tammy and ask the question that way she knows that you guys are speaking to her okay okay I don't think there's more questions for Tammy right okay all right Tammy we're going to move past the questions and now we're going to pass the applicant has opportunity to present so did you have a presentation good evening Brian Smith 8202 cormell Street and U I believe everything you've heard so far is is is my intention again to build a warehouse uh type building excuse me um the thought there was to bring you know employee bring U you know uh jobs to the area I should say excuse me employees jobs to the area um you know one of the the uh restrictions there talks about a service based company so I would like to have you consider maybe limit or maybe potentially striking that little piece just in case because I feel like that does kind of even though I did put that in the application so I blame myself um but I would would like to consider maybe eliminating that piece about the service based businesses just in case I do find another tenant that's potentially not service based and again I'm going to try my best to limit the traffic count and those kind of things that are mentioned in the agreement um but um I'd like you just least consider today if you could you know that that service-based business striking that out and then as you will know when I do actually build this building I will come back to you with a site plan so we'll have another further discussion at that point about hopefully what type of tenant I have in there buffering all those fun things will come up again so there's another opportunity down the road for for me to have that same request for you to potentially strike that service based business L uh piece um so that's all like you consider today if you don't mind and obviously your normal consideration for the for The Flume and the resoning as well and thank you for your time I know you guys have a lot on your plate right now okay thank what would you replace so so the first step is for the staff to question applicant so then then it's us so T yeah Tammy did you have any questions for the applicant no I don't okay then moving on to the next St would be uh Council question applicant striking that statement taking the service out of there what would you replace it with I guess the idea is still going to be a warehouse so going to be a commercial use you know a business tenant it could be anything right right so I feel like I and you know it's again my fault I limited myself to kind of that's my goal is to have a service based company because I think I mentioned in the previous zoning meeting you know next door to me is an alarm company and you know he's a guy that has small warehouse and he has some you know supplies in the warehouse but he goes and does his alarm work offsite you know so he doesn't have a retail presence and that's that's the goal here because this particular partial is tucked away off of 19 so it's not not a particular area that's going to you know have a big flashing sign you know to turn here kind of thing so um so anyway again I felt like I limited myself on that service based business um uh line if you will if that makes sense I mean alarms are service line businesses I mean there all I mean what you're saying is service line business so if you take that out of there that's I mean what you're describing is a service line business to Me Maybe I'm got a wrong defition you're right you're right that's my goal that is my number one goal I agree but just just what would be in there that wouldn't be service line because you're dealing on a residential street that's only 18 foot wide with children playing and I understand that there would po potentially be sidewalks but th that's a residential area there and if it's not a service line where they leave at eight and come back at five and there's back and forth there's a big safety hazard on such a small Road okay good point Thank you so um you know I mean I'm just thinking if I lived there or you live there would you want traffic all day long back and forth coming leaving at 8 and coming back at 5: for lunch in that I mean is a different scenario to me than back and forth all day long okay I agree question from Council I got well there's a good point that she made there it's a lot of commercial around it property so I don't see any problem with it as long as you don't have any intention of making retail for traffic flow for anything like that correct no retail correct no retail yeah that's I don't think it's very U had this long it's no retail any other questions well essentially that one little strip that we saw in yellow is the R2 property all properties around that don't have any restrictions to have any kind of business at all is that correct that that's my understanding yeah but you know that alarm is C3 all that pink around your property I believe you own that property as well right yeah not the alarm company but but no but pink properties around you and then to the north is it says it's R2 but that will never be built I mean that's a wetland I mean and that's why I was asking questions about that ditch and the flooding do we are those homes uh signif um substantially damaged across the street from there right now how's that neighborhood shaping up um oh in scope it's not it's not I mean it's not it's not relevant to a resoning question you're you're looking at the criteria for resoning which Tammy went through well I'm I'm looking at from a standpoint here's this little pocket of R2 on the same side of the street that everything else is Zone C3 it for whatever reason it looks like it might have been a mistake at some point and in my opinion so obviously this this we have a chance to discuss that are we discussing that right now this is just jerk questions forli so once once we're done with then we come back and all right so you clarified that all the rest of the property C3 thank you yes sir questions that okay thank you okay so next up is public comment and so like I said at the beginning we're going to break that apart um so the public understands the first ordinance the 698 is a is a legislative action by the council um just a little more information on it so in order for a rezone to happen the future land use category must be uh commen with that land that Zing change so you couldn't change to commercial if it was a future land use of residential so the very first thing the 698 ordinance is to uh allow for the future land use of that area to be uh commercial so if that was to fail there would be no rezone after that so that must pass for the next one to go so I'm going to open up for public comment any public comment on ordinance um 24698 regarding the uh flum change future land use map okay I have no sign up and see no hands I will bring that back any public comment on the actual ordinance number 24699 which is the rezone from those properties to commercial uh and again that's that's a quide judicial process a public comment and I have no signups as well so moving on um I'm gonna offer the applicant has opportunity to make closing statement do you have a closing statement you like to forone uh staff has opportunity to make closing statements Tammy did you have a closing statement No statements okay and now I'll bring it back to council consideration application upon a motion second so oh the first ordinance and you guys can discuss it yeah so we're going to we'll basically we entertain the first uh future land use map change which I think is relatively straight forward and then we can talk about the reason or maybe it's oppos maybe the future land uses more conversation so you can read by title ordinance 24698 an ordinance of the city council of the city of PT Richie Florida amending the comprehensive plan future land use map to Res to redesignate a point a 070 acre parcel more or less located at 82 to cormel drive from residential res to commercial mixed use CMU and providing for an effective date okay so I will open it up for a motion and discussion on the future land use map change from i' like to make a motion like to make a motion to uh uh approve the first reading of the ordinance number 24698 amending the comprehensive plan uh future land use map to redesignate 8202 Cornel drive from residential to commercial mixed use is there a second second okay motion second any further discussion I um a general question not regarding this I I just want us to think of what we what we want our little Three Mile City to look like we want it to I mean we're just going might as well just all move out at this point just make it all res a commercial this is just getting silly you're putting this directly across from on an 18t street that doesn't even have a line down the middle and you're putting commercial vehicles up and down that street so I think it's kind of um I understand all the other pink but that all the majority of that has access to 19 this does not have access to 19 it's a very small residential street I I think we're not doing our city in in a whole a service discussion don't I'll just add on to that so the and I hear what you're saying and I think it's important that we we keep an eye out for that for sure it is that as you cross the streets it is all residential there on the other side where the applicant is is applied it's uh it's all commercial except for that very property I understand um and so um but it's residential at the moment it is residential we're changing it so it so you could put I don't mean I apologize I interrupt um you could put R2 you could put two family homers over there to be because that's what it's zoned for right now now we're saying you go with this now you can put a 72 foot storage building he that's not what his plan is however who knows 50 years now that's what that that's what you're giving someone permission to do he could buy it he could build it then someone could knock it down and put a 72 foot thing up there that's what we're allowing to happen to our city we're giving permission for that to this gentleman or anybody else to do that that's that's that's what we're allowing not that it's not about him it's about what we want our city to look like that's just an overall thing that I think we need to continue to look at and I don't think and I don't think this council is looking at that I think we're looking at individuals and not what we want the whole city to look like and I think that's very um nearsighted or farsighted I don't know which one but it's one of those sure so to continue the if you look up here I've Shar my screen so the the parcel is the entire parcel that the applicant owns is here and I just want to point out that the square boxes is what we're talking about now in that where the red outline is the Little Triangle there as well as the uh l-shape that's all C3 all long 19 C3 it's just that one block and and I I really feel that probably the reason it is like that is because at one time there was a actual residence there um which has since been torn down and so at the point that was torn down it actually probably makes more sense that that is in my opinion uh commercial mixed use um and if there's you see there's another little yell there that's a city-owned property actually which is R2 there again landlock pretty much along miles um on the North side that's that's all buffered by um drainage ditch water or whatever the U another thing to point out this I think you can see my pointer yeah the across the street from the property that's actually a vacant lot on that corner uh there's a residence right there next door to it and then residence up the road one thing to keep in mind when we talk about bilding 72 foot buildings whatever you could have 72 bilings All Along The Strip right there anyway so really um that7 Acres I think it was is that correct addition is is somewhat out of place on that side of the road currently again I think it's really because there was a house actually sitting there before so um oh I understand point and that's we need to look out for that I I think this is this makes more sense commercial than it does uh residential and you know not this really matters but I also want to tell this if I'm very familiar properly because let me just go back um so I actually own this little flag pinet property here when I said I but the property I actually butt his other properties um internal to his the one being here uh but when I when I purchased that property that one was for sale as well and I actually looked at potentially buying that myself um and decided not to because the price um but that being said the um I don't know where I was going with that oh in the um in the real estate ad for that it actually and I don't know where this information come from it came from a real trly but uh it actually said city has said it would be an easy reone to C3 and I I chuckle at that when I when I read things like that because there's no easy anything in in City politics but um anyway I just want to point that out it from my perspective it does make sense that that would be uh commercial based on everything around it and again there a there's a def fighting Street line in between the commercial what would be fully commercial residential and there is buffering requirements for this side to make sure that their the streetcape is maintained and if there's certain uses it has to have fence Landscaping all that so that's my comments any other discussion on that no I had the same concerns that it looked like it was omitted or out of place for some reason why wasn't that all contiguous um C3 zoning and with regard to those two areas to the north on M that's all Wetland you're not going to be able to build on that ever yeah this is a pond I think is it well that's the drainage into that that Bayou on the east side of old post that runs right down my Canal this is this is vacant too I believe I did I did have a aerial of that so you see it's those properties here's the pond over here obviously the ditch goes along miles there and this is all undeveloped and there is a city owned drainage ditch that needs to be cleaned out because that's creating problems too so yeah another y issue yeah so I've got Mo say any further discussion on that all in favor 65 by saying I I oppose no the motion carries um so next up we'll we'll discuss the uh second ordinance and N if you could read that my time yes ordinance 24699 an ordinance of the city council the city of Port Richie Florida amending the official zoning map to redesignate a 0.70 acre parcel more or less located at 8202 cormel drive from R2 to family residential to C3 General commercial and providing for an effective date thank you and so with that um I'm going to open up for public comment once again on that this is for the rezone is there any public comment I have no signups did already ask that you did that okay that's okay just twice someone may change their mind get a second chance um okay so now I'm put that to council consideration for that and um I'm going to start going back to my since I'm still sh oh oh sorry yeah bring it back over if you would so the the issue I have with the rezone in there is the restrictions and let me explain why pull that zoning back up so and and from a planning perspective planning is is messy um and so you're going to have things like this that uh for whatever reason in the past things weren't done and so as staff looked at this and I'm going to respectfully disagree on restriction of Staff uh just because if we look at this in a box this one particular yellow property here um and and B put restrictions on that again all up and down that street with these other properties off Pasco away to get to that property all C3 unrestricted properties and so what we're doing is we're burdening this particular parcel with restrictions that nobody else has to follow um and so from that aspect it doesn't make sense to have any restrictions on that again when you talk about Building height and you talk about traffic again all this traffic can be generated here uh from these other properties if they bulldoze and create something else I mean there's there's lots of things could happen in the future so from my perspective it doesn't make any sense to add any restrictions to that so I would look to have that those restrictions uh removed and just reson to C3 would be my thing I I support the rezone of course at any uh at any level but I I think it's it's misguided for us to spot restrict a certain parcel um just for the sake of we're looking at it with fresh eyes from a planning perspective um not taking in consideration all of the surrounding area around it and so and also another point to that is with those restrictions there restrictions um you have restrictions for a reason and the reason obviously is is to protect residential but you're really only protecting these two I will also point out that um we I was at the planning a zoning meeting nobody showed up in opposition to that um nobody's here in opposition to that um to Dave's point I don't know that in the future those residents are going to build up I don't know if they were substantially damaged or not um but that was very prone to a lot of water there so I don't know where that's at and so maybe it makes sense to potentially not that so it can be redeveloped into something uh even more so than service companies or whatever maybe it it is a uh uh mix use commercial with residents on top um just because it's commercial doesn't take away the residential component that's that's a that's accepted use in commercial but that's not what he proposed no he proposed correct but from a from a zoning perspective obviously if he sells or whatever um you know properties are for sale all the time whether they're for sale or not if somebody comes in and I and I think about this um and again not saying this because I have any any uh fortune telling capabilities but obviously as we talk about the old trailer park lot and stuff that's getting right over here all these properties being commercial mixed use or whatever uh maybe those properties here get bought up as well and something uh uh can be done along those lines as well again I don't know but um restricting it obviously restricts it to these certain things and I just it doesn't make sense to me so with the aerial that just so you um to know this I don't think it was said yet the the restrictions that would that have been proposed they're not forever if the property is sold if the circumstances change same applicant different applicant they can come back and show what's different that would no longer support their restrictions so perhaps let's say if it passes tonight with these restrictions and in three years it's very evident that those two Parcels that were mentioned are not going to get rebuil the city takes them over and does something with them that me change the circumstances then an applicant could come back in and say can I get these restrictions removed based on that new um development so it's not it's it it runs with the property but it can be changed well it can be changed so the if if you want the restrictions as as stats recommended it doesn't mean they're on there forever I just want to make sure you understand that right but the same line is let's say the applicant sells that the new owner has those same restrictions until he comes in and asks it to be changed that's why I'm saying it's just it's more Council time um in the future if that happens it again from my perspective it doesn't make any sense to spot restrict that one property so did you have a question no I just wanted to and even more of the houses are further south look at something that wasn't provided by staff you're going yeah look at what you need to look at the information provided by staff um to make your determination for a cause a Judicial hearing you go outside the record I'm sorry you can ask her if if if we open up to ask questions can see it talking perfect ey view it's actually on page seven is there a question for me can't I don't think so I think they answer your PowerPoint okay very good thank you Nancy thanks for handling things over there no I was just looking at the houses are the houses that are there on the other side of the street aren't they're they're mostly further south of this property anyway there's two across looks like there's an empty lot there right yeah it's all empty that there's a residential vacant Lots so you know there's the potential that if it's not buffered well and it's something that's objectionable to a residential user that it could imp impede like future investment in that that lot and then also I think it's not so much the use because commercial and residential can coexist it's all about the treatments you know it's about the the buffering and the location of driveways and and where the and the the traffic impacts and so it really needs to be and I think at some point the city might think about because you are in a Redevelopment mode that a lot of cities don't allow rezonings without some more detail about what is actually going to be built there so when you're when you get a lot of development up close to each other and you start to make changes there's there's people who are affected by that you know good and bad and so um right now it's an uncertain uncertainty as to what will actually go there and how it would be compatible or incompatible with your comprehensive plan policies that's my two cents as a planner you guys but you know if at some point during the in the past somebody had held the line and said this is a residential neighborhood and that strip of would be all yellow on the on the the map but um maybe the comp plan wasn't looked at back in the day one wouldn't you agree Tammy that those restrictions actually restrict maybe better things that could go in there like a mixed juice commercial with some residential because basically where the restrictions read is it has to be a warehousing service related entity right yeah I I really don't I'm not um averse to the the CH of not having a use restriction but I think that it should be um the right type of traffic generation or trip generation and I also think that there should be some stipulation regarding buffering because it looks like the city's not prepared for buffering in the front yard yeah so and I and and the applicant has said he's thinking about what he would do to help kind of you know mitigate the impacts of the commercial development on those people that live across the street so I don't know that if that was averse to the applicant or not at this point in time but um you know I think that if we could kind of took care of the streetscape and we take care of the traffic generation that perhaps what happens behind the buffer isn't that much of a concern is isn't that done though like when the site plan would come forth uh before it would be approved to to whatever they're want to do there those things would be taken in consideration traffic and all that so that um obviously just that you have you have regulations now that don't say that you must and that's where the stipulation would come in to say that it has to be a load trip traffic generating use and that there'd be buffering to protect those those homeowners because this would be the only one that didn't have access to 19 all the rest of them let no some of the other ones only have access okay just that one little piece that or that actually it's about half of the block if you think about it the R2 pieces it's like 50% a little bit less than 50% of that side of cormell street so it's it it'll be a significant I mean right now it's a vacant lot and you're not really looking at too much that's terrific to begin with so there could be some opportunities to you know clean it up have some fresh buildings some fresh landscaping that's a that's a positive um but you know you don't want to have it to where you've got big trucks you know sharing the road with people who are walking down a 18t without sidewalks I mean there's just some some safety issues there and I think also some comfort residential sort of comfort type of and and also you can think about lighting noise all the things that would be right there in people's front yards so I think that during the sight plane process if we had some mechanism to be able to ask for those types of considerations right now I don't believe the Land Development code would help you relative to those things yeah I to me it seems that the restrictions actually force uh big truck traffic I mean because that's all you can put there is warehouse and Office Buildings warehousing being the key word there yeah I I I agree I mean we just we went we went with what the applicant had asked for so that was just our you know if that's if that was your intention then we'll put that in the stipulations but I guess you know you know people change their minds so maybe that's and and I I appreciate that so so um but I think if we could still stipulate the buffer and the trip generation consideration then you know maybe the use isn't you know maybe there'd be something that's a little bit more neighborhood oriented that would come there versus a warehouse um but you know that's just speculation we um we noticed this at the property right that the residents around the the um the property were were aware of what's going with potential is that's I actually find out about it myself that way I hate to do this but since you went back to Tammy and ask questions we need to make sure the applicant doesn't want to respond there's any other questions that he might have because it kind of conversation added some more information you're have to go back to public comment that yeah I'll be quick uh buffering so that's a good point Tammy and I've talked about before and I agree I'll add some additional buffering Shrubbery Etc along that front yard I do have I think it's around 10 trees along the front yard right now so I've got a decent you know start if you will mature trees but yeah I do plan to add additional bushes shrub something along that front yard for buffering absolutely would you be opposed to that being put in here no that's fine that's fine yeah I mean there I think there's I think I saw something on one of Tammy's slides that mentioned uh I forget if she 3 to six feet or something like a bush every 36 feet or something like that so yeah absolutely well so well that's the standard that's the standard we have to look to see that's perimeter Landscaping it's not buffer that's just the I just pointed it out that there is a front yard treatment but it's a landscaping treatment not a buffer treatment oh okay so maybe what we could do is look at your buffer standards for the side yard and backyard and see what might be applicable on the front yard yeah I think with the Redevelopment stuff I think we need to probably review our buffering requirements just to make sure that we don't want make those more trick add stuff to them or whatever um so that we can protect that but I I don't know it's it's Neary to be done property specific I think we should jump right on that not just for this but for everything so again different topic but are they Grand fed in after the fact so if you if you you know have existing business and then you change your buffering system you can't go back and make them adhere to that no once it's once it's built that's correct but correct so this is in that process I will point out if I may that the the current um um restrictions that that have been drafted do include a buffering um this was from Planning and Zoning the owner further agrees to sufficient buffering is determined by the city to buff to buffer the properties used from neighboring Residential Properties and that was because it was discussion that there is some buffering in the in the code that it's going to ignore um in staff's opinion to to keep that sufficient so that is the which is there good thank you so that open it back up public comment any okay bring it back okay and I don't and I'm not I'm not opposed to uh taking restrictions out other than we're going to U require some additional buffering I don't know how we scope that in a language to can't really leave it up in air do we need to spec it out now the current recommendation is as determined by the city right so that would that would flow to whatever discuss it would be him agreeing to do what the city asked him to do with buffering right so that's yes that covers Us yeah so yeah so I think an option would be to somebody to make a motion to improve the the um ORD number 24699 striking restrictions other than the buffering would be one or you could prove it as it is or you some other variation I thought we were discussing potentially he had made a request pull the service based business well that would pull it out if you remove the restrictions Oh you mean remove the Restriction totally yeah and just leave the buffering in there would be one option and that was my concern all the other properties don't have the Restriction is their a legal issue with us putting a restriction on this one particular prop okay so that's good but it appears you have a provision you you have a provision in Your Land Development code that allows you to stipulate or make conditions on a rezoning okay and and also I would I would also add that the other properties are quite a bit smaller right they're just residential they're old residential lots on cormel Street on the east or the west side and so so one question on the west on the East Side East Side on the uh on those other properties West Side the west side doesn't have any it has like a store at the end of the street I believe on the west side but and even there's there's still multif family on the east side of cormell and then there's two vac Lots toward the end right toward the north side the Northeast side of cormel West yeah the north west west yeah the Northeast side is no Northeast is his property Northwest is the uh residential lots so yes yeah but we're I think somebody was mentioning the the pattern that had started to be established in that area and it's predominantly on the east side of cormell I think there's just maybe the one store actually I don't think that those properties have commercial designations so I think they're residential say again Tammy you talk about the the other the adjacent properties uh next to the on the other side on on the west side of cormell I don't know that everybody has their proper oh from from a zoning map it they all say residential which that should be the Z I think the zoning and the future land use but I don't have those maps in front of me but the you know the pattern is a residential pattern the land mimics the zoning they're both residential yeah I think the zoning and the future land use on the side of the street yeah so what I was going to say was on those other properties that are commercial that don't have restrictions or buffer anything again question for you if if further discussion at another time we talk about the buffering that wouldn't apply to them currently but if somebody bought them bulldo them put in thing in there then it would apply yes so I think again outside this discussion we probably need to talk about buffering in general and then so we can going forward we the right set of buffering requirements in place well Mr Smith said that he was going to bring the plans and site plans to us before he has construction that we can approve on and probably have buffering in those site plans that we can approve of or not approve of at that time that's kind what I was getting ear and where does the fact that if it's residential commercial have anything to do with traffic because I see a lot of people live in residential areas that don't obey traffic laws either so and they have big trucks and low trucks also just like commercial vehicles sometimes they take them home so that doesn't have a big bearing on it and being it it's been empty for decades building a residential duplex or Triplex or house on there or two houses on there when the backyard is nothing but commercial doesn't make any sense so it makes sense for somebody to come in and produce something out of this property make it useful as long as it's done properly which he's going to bring the site plans to us before he does that he said impossible tenants that we can approve of so um I say we need to move forward on this I don't see any reason why not what what's your motion I can do that daveid it's your turn no I I too agree that that one yellow property with all that commercial around it being that it's across the street now you got residential across the street and commercial on the other side of the street that's kind of the nature of this city and this looks to me that it was maybe an oversight or like you said maybe there was a property there at one point in time before they put the rest of the zoning in there um I'd like to make a motion uh I guess to approve ordinance number 24699 I guess without those restrictions um essentially that okay the buffers that's not motion you want to was there second on D's motion I'll second okay so motion second there any further discussion okay I've public comment I don't open back so okay I'll put to vote all in favor 6 by saying I I oppos no motion carries okay next up is uh Council business we've closed all the public hearings um item number five approval of mm and Creed statement of qualifications SQ for Engineering Services for the planning and design of a water plant facility I pass it to Mr C introduction on October 16th 2024 statement of qualifications from the Kim greed was received and open for the plan design of a portable water plant facility City staff reviewed the S soq and our presented to council for approval this approval will authorize staff to negotiate an agreement with McKim Creed foring the consultant's competitive negotiations act city was awarded a grant from FD for clean water State Rev the theme water State revolving fund to cover 100% of the cost of planning designing the portable water plant facility the award amounts to $4.25 million M MIM and Creed will propose contract based on the project motion discussion we get so this is the only company that responded correct why are we getting no response from folks I mean this has been a history going on is there something better we can do to ensure U but they're just bidding on this $4.2 million that was awarded correct I mean there's no negotiation on that right I mean they've agreed to or we're going to draft something to agree to that amount well we have to negotiate a contracts though yes yeah a contract yeah but the dollar amounts thanix [Music] right that's that's the total of our award but that doesn't necessarily mean that that's what the contract would be this is kind of like uh you know solving the problem with looking at the back of the answer book right which I disagree with government the way we or government works but essentially we got one company correct well then we'll go with that one to approve the statement of qualifications for Engineering Services for the planning and design of a pable water plant facility because we need a new one I'll give it to Bob as we kind started saying it first so he beat him at the end so motion second fur discussion okay any from public comment I have no sign up so show hands okay I bring it back for a vote all in favor signify by saying I I opposed motion carries um we're just over two hours and we want take a quick five minute B break before we continue we got I know it's we'll J for five [Music] you got remember it's also ESP locally go let than we do or only that same we have to look to acquire a new well new know watch [Music] hi okay each a staff contacts C's previously approved Engineers for an updated packet of information and statement of qualification this annual process assist City and moving along with engineering non projects by selecting run the preapproved engineers to complete the task in effer paper full packet we weide a flash drive for you got um we are looking for an approval of the list of Engineers thank you okay I'll open up for motion discussion to approve the approved Engineers firm for 24 second 23 24 be4 24 [Applause] yours does mine does too mine say 23 24 I pull it off the web too okay maybe did you update it agenda yeah and they're looking at the cover sheet oh yeah I'm looking at the agenda sorry cover sheets right so a motion second second a motion second any further discussion any public comment I have no signed up so bring it back for vote all in favor 65 by I I sorry iOS motion carries uh next up item number seven approval of the PT Richie Police Department agreement with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for State financial assistance for the school security Assessment program pass it to Mr Cooper for introduction with the opening of Edison private school in Pine Hill Road the police department finds that appropr provides specific school security assessment services to ensure the safety of students teachers and parents State of Florida Department of wall enforcement offic a grant program to reimburse the city for these Services through this grant the Port rief Police Department will receive training to implement the school security Assessment program conduct physical site security assessments for Edison private school providing reports and recommendations to enhance infrastructure and safety assist Edison private school and developing active assel assel response protocols including training and drills for students and staff consult with Edison private school to implement a comprehensive threat Management program Grant period spans 10 months from September 1 2024 to June 30th 2025 city is eligible for reimbursements for personnel cost software and other items needed to support these activities Chief Poli anticipates the costs for implementing this program will be relatively low I would turn it over to GPS anything like that Chief we had reached out to actually went over to Edison private school before the semester started and before this came out because we realized that they the way the school is set up it's kind of vulnerable so we had done a preliminary assessment um and we're working on some response protocols but this came out um and so we had planned on sending to people to the training in Orlando except the training was on the fifth which is the date Helen Helen was supposed to come in so they couldn't go to that class just this past week they they had the recorded version the 2our version ring that along with the paperwork that was supposed to be given out at that course so we're doing the preliminary training now before we reach back out to uh Edison private school and start to do the assessments motion or discussion yes it appears like we're going to be lending our our doing some activities over there at that school correct right now is part of the facility assessment that is the the first and primary uh part that we're going to work on and we're going to get some kind of reimbursement for the second we if we have bu looks like we'll have to get a a computer um in order computer tablet and any overtime that is uh you know we we getting overtime and then that can be submitted for reimbursement okay my concern is do we have a time reporting system that's going to allow you to track that time accurately so that you can get that re yeah if they when they put in their overtime subset comes in and that's there again I'm not familiar with how you guys do time reporting but time reporting is always a critical factor in you know any Grant or audit or anything like that so we've got a mechanism to track their time relative to time spent at the school right doing the assessment so they like the other police grants they they they uh put it on their overtime sheet and then um I track it that way and and ask for reimbursement for it that way good so if we need to do anything different because this is school related we'll we'll do another sheet or something in other words we have a internal process that addresses yes absolutely perfect thank [Music] you motion to approve the agreement to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for wait that Turn the Page State financial assistance to participate in the school security Assessment program authorize the chief to sign on behalf of City ofp second motion second any further [Music] discussion okay any public comment hi Christine Sullivan 7808 Weber Lane um today at 3:30 the Fort Richie inspector came to my home and declared my home a so I thought I thought you wanted me to okay no so wasn't paying attention was just put it next one so yeah sorry thank anyone else okay very a vote all in favor saying I opposed motion carries okay next up item number eight discussion of changes chapter 109 flood damage prevention def definition of substantial Improvement that would change the period of time cumulative call will be tracked currently one year pass M ruction I'm not going to read everything on the cover sheet but um just to kind of summarize it uh based upon the open house that uh building department had to talk about substantial damage in building uh permit processes um on November 4th a conversation uh that the mayor had was had where he was questioning um and well the uh potential of changing our cumulative uh period for tracking substantial improvements uh currently as you're aware it's one year 50% one year um and thought was that it be taken down from one year to what the the base uh uh requirements are which are per incident uh again I've provided a table that kind of shows you jurisdictions in and around us and kind of down the coast a little bit so you can see the time periods that they have um as well as their accumulative amount um I think there are a lot of questions that we don't have the answers to that you probably would be uh interested in um it's just we didn't have a lot of time between uh this desired to put it on the agenda um to get it onto this agenda so we're still in the the discovery phase for a lot of those questions I I kind of listed the things consider um you know one we don't know how many residents be affected by this change because there's really two things in play with that one is you know what is the substantial damage that is incurred as part of this um uh event and the second is have they been in that oneye time frame either doing uh repairs to substantial damage or doing substantial improvements we don't have that information it just takes a little bit longer to uh put that all together uh we know that it will have a negative impact on the Ci's CRS score um we get extra points because we're above what uh the national flood insurance requires um and so it only stands reason that if you reduce that down to what they required you're probably going to lose some points now does that mean that we're going to lose any of our um uh any of any of the benefits in terms of you know going down to a different class probably not um we just don't know that right now and and it really is going to be very difficult to predict what that loss of points is going to be we can't predict any unintended consequences the action to loosen um read all may loosen the oneye time frame uh again I just know that there's always unintended consequences with everything you do and you usually find out six to eight months after you do something what those unintended consequences are so I just want you to be aware there could be unintended consequences when you make the change like this um we are confident them is watching we are confident FEMA is washingon City and the actions we take regard enforcement of the flood damage prevention code I will I will say this not as a u Seer of the future I will say this because I've dealt with bureaucrats for many many years um we've had a couple different meetings with FEMA they have let us know that they're watching they haven't come out and said we're watching you but they've provided us information to let let us know that they know or what they predict should be a lot of the numbers that that we are going to be providing to them over the next couple months you have to understand they already know last year as well you know you might say well how do they know well they get into the database that when someone applies for flood insurance a claim they know and they then cross that with our permits and they'll see exactly what we already know is that there were not a lot of permits P last year but we believe there's more than 300 homes impacted by flood waters they have numbers we don't have and so they're going to again and what they have said without saying it is they are watching what we do today to make a determin determination what our future is going to be and and again that's part of what something I was saying to council councilman Mueller is that you know some of the things we're doing is to demonstrate and be able to demonstrate that we are enforcing our codes because one of the things they did say and and the mayor was in that meeting with them is that if we do everything that we can show that we've enforced our codes and at the end of the day nothing happens it's not our fault and they're they're not going to blame us but if we don't do that they will hold us accountable in some way and so we have to do everything we can to demon demonstrate that we are doing what our codes say we're supposed to be doing um research would need to be done to see if code could take time period prior to or take effect prior to its adoption and something I know that um in talking with the city attorney and I won't speak for her um is a concern that you know if we adopt this and try to make it retroactive um will that have an impact on anything that you do uh one related to uh you know we've signed documents with uh the national flood insurance saying we're going to enforce these roles um you know going forward there's probably not an issue but the question is is since we're kind of in the middle if we try to be retroactive with it will it have an impact on things that we've already signed and said that we' be doing um and lastly to effectuate a change Council need to direct the City attorney to draft the necessary ordinance thanks so I'll uh I'll add a little color here obviously on this there's there's very very little that the city can do um about this other than be more restrictive on what FEMA requires FEMA requires the 50% in order to be part of the the uh Community rating system um they don't require the one-year period that's that's above and beyond that the city does um and for an example Newport Richie which you see on the the spreadsheet here has five years that's they just at their last count meeting changed that or I'm sorry at at one of their emergency meetings they changed that to two years that look back period to be less restrictive they still have two years but it was five and I think they they realized um with the significance of the event that uh that fiveyear look back period probably put quite a few people above and beyond that 50% from stuff they did four three years ago right um so I don't know uh what impact if this by entertaining this change how many people that would help I know it would help some um and and from my my perspective if you could save you know if you get the entire city drowning you save a couple it's better to save a couple than none at all um but again like I said the city's hands are tied on what we're able to do outside of just ignoring FEMA's rules and not doing that and losing uh our our flood Church our community rating system and all that that's not a that's not a good outcome so that's that's not something we want to do but how can we help uh residents that are in this this situation um there's Avenues outside of of these rules um but um you know I think we need to look at this now I specifically ask again you would need to follow to make sure but about the retroactivity of a change like this and they the F representative told me that yes that it would applied to retroactive um again legally I don't know where it goes that's you look at would disagree with that but we won't continue it it it seems odd but that was the information I got so I do know that Newport Richie did theirs from 5 to two so um and I don't know if anybody else I'm not keeping track of fall obviously but as you can see there some on here that are zero years um all the way up to five so um and like I said there would be some people uh that this might help um not be substantially damaged um I I also want to say that going forward whatever we do here um we need to be very cognizant of getting information out to people and actually putting programs together to make sure that we are mitigating into the future so that we don't have this obviously this event um was very very large um and there's going to be as as a result that some people going to lose their homes right unless they go some other avenues and I just I just bring those up in public people probably watching also you can get an independent appraisal to adjust your valuation right and there's there's some homes out there that are probably well undervalued that those numbers are applying to um the caveat to that is if you do that and you do raise the value of your house um your tax bill goes up with that so um there is why you would be able to maybe get you within that 50% fix it you are be paying more taxes as a result of that and that's really if you think about it that's probably what should happen anyway um especially if you want to stay at home you can also you know keep your insurance money um and correct me if I'm wrong here uh keep your insurance money put the house up sell as is walk away from it and let somebody else deal with the problem that's an option too doesn't get back in the home but also it maximizes your uh your um uh loss proceeds that you can maybe use to do something else yeah but doesn't that FEMA FEMA send you the money that you might not put it back into that house but that that amount or that um instruction goes with the house regardless of whether you sell it or not regardless of whether you fix it or not right I believe the payments make you have flood insurance if you on that property if you if you take it to fix it yes but if you can't fix it you can't per to fix it I mean I think you're okay to walk away with that funding don't quote me on that but but it'll still come up on the on the fee of papers it still comes up I just got to pay for any claim from FEMA on my house since like 1982 it tells me how many claims have been on my and I wasn't here in 1982 but FEMA knows what was happening at my house right in 1982 forward yeah so my understanding of what happens on that so let's say uh let's say you applied for female assistance you were granted female assistance and again not all female assistants qualifies that my standing the 750 kind of that they give everybody the freight cost or whatever that's not part of that Mak some what I've asked him ref I've got it's only the assistance that was applied to the structure that was damaged so if you got $10,000 say for your structure for for Help by accepting that you as the owner encumber that property to have to have flood insurance and perpetuity right whether you own it or not whether you own or not so a buyer coming in they would see that as on there that it requires flood insurance um if they choose not to get flood insurance they're not going to throw you in jail um they're just not going to give you any assistance if you get flooded so correct well citizens inform people that for the storm that if you don't have flood insurance you will not be able to get homeowners insurance period in the State of Florida yes and honly laws and stuff are going to change around this of course and and if we change this today or not today but we look at changing this in the near future that's not to say FEMA doesn't come out next year and all a sudden it's 50% in two years and we would we would jump to that right this is really a point in time which is why I'm saying that whatever we do here to try to do something to help um I think going forward we need to think of creative ways to getting these properties out of the flood plane um whether that's through our CRA or other methods or actively pursuing additional funding I think I think there's probably going to be some additional funding uh thrown at this um to try to to deal with that begin no guarantees but I think we really as a city we need to make sure that we're doing everything we can to help get these properties in air not just having people continue to invest in them and and have loss after loss after loss that's ironic the FEMA is the reason my house wasn't elevated was that I was going to elevate the house I was going to build a new house up high and I was talked into dealing with FEMA to help finance that and the bureaucracy over three years kept me from doing that and I should have just did it without FEMA or getting involved with them because after they approved a grant $150,000 to do that then they took the money away from me I decid I was going to do it anyway of course then covid came so that was one of the big stipulations of not building a house with Co and I could get I remember talking to Veronica with Dallas I had permits in the office we were going over the permits building a new house you approved for the grant I was approved for the $50,000 towards the cost of building a new house at proper elevation and then they took it away from me or there four of us actually here in the area that we were dealing with Paso County disaster and the four of us all the money was taken away from us take to somewhere else in the northern Pasco County so I went ahead to do it anyway if I wouldn't went to FEMA the house would have been built before covid is my point with the bureaucracy and the fact of going through all theirs bureaucracy and then getting turned down and this because you're approved don't mean you get the money after you build a house anyway because I know other people that were approved for that program for $90,000 wind up getting $32,000 after the house would built because they're going well I don't like the way the sidewalk was I don't like the way this is I don't like and they just nitpicked it and only getting 32,000 so it's a lot of work and promises made to them that they don't always uphold but they want you to do everything right perfectly well there's there's always there's always going to be strings attached to free money right it's e to do it yourself well and so if if if people have the wherewith all I mean from a financial perspective it it probably is a washer even better if you go ahead and invest raise your house out the flood plane it then becomes very much more valuable probably more so than what you put into it do it but who has $250 $300,000 laying around to do that at today's prices so but you know that's when you talk about walking away from it that's what I mean there's investors calling to buy properties up to do that and and they'll turn them into they'll put them up FL pan and they'll sell them from way well above what they paid for them and invested in right it's just uh and it gets mitigated it doesn't do anything for that current resident is living in it however but it does it does accomplish the goal so this is really about how do we help our residents that are here and Madera Beach I believe the mayor there I listened to a an interview on TV um similar type issue they're you know they're not they're not so concerned with the people coming in and well that that is a concern actually concerned about people coming in buying these properties that don't live there investing in there and in the actual residence long-term residence that kind of make that and that's John's Pass there kind of quaint fisherman feel or whatever that those houses uh they being lost because they're they're substantially damaged and those residents are having to walk away from them and so you know again not a lot we can do from a city but we do have the ability to change this particular restriction um which may help a handful um and then going forward we we try to we try to really put together programs that make sense to help facilitate get them in the air I will also bring up again I don't know legalities Veronica had a a fantastic point on this is that we don't want to it's it's not necess great to take away something and go back but if we leave it in place and put something in there that we're able to wave it in the event of a national disaster that was a great point to where we we keep the restriction or maybe even maybe even make it longer two or three years but in a in a disaster like this we have the option as the council to wave it again then you another school thought on that a great idea um it kind of plays both sides of fence but at the end of the day if every National disaster comes and we wave it because uh that it's really not serving its purpose anyway um so you know it's it's it's a tough situation I don't really know what the right move is here but I want to do something um and there's just not a lot we can do um one and when I had the discussion with FEMA um one of the concerns was well if you remove the one year you have these piggybacking or not piggybacking but uh um continuing permit so you don't put them all together you do your flooring you do your walls because basically once that permit closed you're reset to zero and so if we were to look at removing uh the one year I would I would do so with the ability that if it's a disaster that any permits around that recovery they all must be coupled together um you can't just piece me it together in order to circumvent that I have a couple questions sure um on your table M class what does class signify that that uh is a connection to the uh discount discounts correct the what I'm sorry the discounts so the CRS class so is the higher the number the better the discount or the lower the number the better lower the better okay so we're at we're at seven and what's the highest what's the highest number goes to 10 or seven yeah it's one to 10 okay so explain to the people that are listening because we were talking about CRS the community rating system what does the CRS system do for the residents so for the resident uh they see the benefit for that from the standpoint of a discount on flood insurance so currently we have a 15% discount on the flood insurance um the next here I think is a six goes to 20 % and it goes up I don't know what the maximum discount is it goes in 5% increments 5% increments what is the max it 50% off the is that the max discount you um I believe so one yeah we're 15% discount I think the seem like I heard the average for Florida is 25% um and I think 50 is the max quote me on that but if we don't follow FEMA suggestions guidelines actions whatever what is the implications for our residents yeah they lose their discount well well there is not just the discount there's another another element to that is that if if we so we're talking points we're talking just kind of uh nibbling around uh you know what what these numbers really mean the bigger concern is if we were to be thrown out of the and you know National flood insurance program because that point um a couple things happen you know one nobody's gonna be buying and selling the house with a mortgage because can't get FL Insurance you won't be able to get flood insurance no bank will will cover without that I will say too it's possible you could have flood insurance in that situation but it'd be astronomically High because basically a company be coming in that's been char they want because you have to have it so yeah and that's true I mean from an affordability standpoint what makes flood insurance affordable is that the federal government is underwriting all the flood insurance and so at some point I'm not sure when the city did it but at some point um they came in and said if you want flood insurance you have to get into this program npip I think yeah um and you have to sign off that you are going to do the following thing you have to have a code effectively you have to follow what the CRS is doing right best practice is what it is um and if you follow it you get more points and the more points you get the bigger discount so you get thrown out of it you have that that situation where flood insurance is very unattainable for most people um very high cost if at all and lose FEMA assistance and that's the second thing is that FEMA doesn't have to help anybody anymore well you can't get homeowners period then either in December 2025 right right so I mean that's that's again and and there's a couple things that you know we have to understand with that you know one is this piece of of you know the the rules that we put out there right um and that's what this really is talking about what are the rules that we're going to have everyone live by the second piece is actually following the rules that everybody has to live by and I think that's where you know what we're doing today in terms of following a procedure you know we haven't done in the past but we're doing it because we know we have to and you know the people that make those decisions have told us you really need to be doing that and there's things that we've learned that we need to do and and we're in the process of making sure that we follow those rules so by sending out that first letter with the with the two letters to follow by enforcing this 50% rule by making people get permits those are all FEMA requirements and if those we don't do those then that's when the potential for losing off ability to get flood insurance Etc so those are Port rules those are FEMA guidelines that we're enforcing correct I I and I know we' talked about this and I'm just I'm just making it very clear because some people don't know that so I want to make sure that that's why I ask the questions because you know we we all don't know the answers to these questions and and a lot of the residents don't know so and in a meeting with FEMA staff and myself was there of course Matt um they they're actually they are pursuing certain communities to remove them before this now was going to add that I we represent communities that are dealing with that they have made examples maybe of them it's they are paying attention and you need to follow your code if you not yeah and were in FEMA was here today and Florida Department of Emergency Management this is probably the third meeting we've had with FEMA so they are active we were with them from 11: to 4: today and going over our policies going over our codes and reviewing what we've been doing so we're on point with what we're doing we just have to continue it so they are aware of it um and and they've already made comments maybe in the six seven month time frame that we make it audited so they're going to look at this and today he can't give me the map but he was able to show me the map that he received from the insurances it's very preliminary um for our city specifically and everyone that has a DOT has received receed some type of financial assistance or Insurance claim from it so now they're going to compare once all the data is in then they're going to compare what has been pulled what we have done and to what they're saying they're doing so they are Matt is correct they are looking at it so with to change your your requesting well I well well whatever the ter you know whatever you're suggesting requesting whatever talk about um what what is fur's suggestion or what would their your from all your discussions on that what is their take on a suggestion like that I don't know if anybody has the answer I don't know but so the I guess depend on how you you look at it um the conversation I've had is yeah you can do that um and you know one she brought the concern up about um well you know if you do that then you can have people stringing along their permits to try to keep under that that's why whatever we do I think we somehow need to if we lose restriction we need to somehow rain that in so that you don't have you don't leave a a loophole right about because there's a substantial uh damage form that the city deals uh has that has all the areas they add it all up that's the amount of damage that you have that City goes through that effort she's doing that right now correct and and by doing that it lists the electrical the plumbing all those specific parts that were damaged we rely on the on the applicant to put that down right in reality though the say we had the flood event you can come in get you electric permit close it out get your drywall permit close it out but they have to get that form done first to to ensure that one you're below the 50% otherwise ain't going to give you a permit period Well you you've got and they're not going to come in you've had damage you're you're got a house that's on the ground you're known to have 4 foot in your house you're going to have all these things on that list so if you come in for just an electrical or just a drywall permit they're going to reject you and make you fill the form out not well not unless they've been identified as potentially it's real simple it's very simple Yes it today's event yes yes you know maybe a smaller event no right you I mean the value we knew we had 300 H but there's other floodings that happen that uh you maybe we don't know about right from a broke pipe so yeah so another thing I want to point out I'm glad L mentioned about the class so if you look at Denon uh they have a zero time period 50% so basically kind of the exact same we're kind of talking about and they're at a five so what so what what what do they do how did they get into a five with a zero time period they got other things that are I'm asking what other things there's lots of other things uh for in and I don't know we'd have to do line by line and the the thing I struggle with in this whole process is the um the availability of those numbers I mean one would think you could go out and say if I do this I get this if I do this I get this but that's very hard it's almost like you got to you got to submit it and there's this Secret Sauce being cooked up at at Federal headquarters and they spit out okay here's your number I don't know what goes in it's not very intuitive for whatever reason um which bothers me or or maybe we just don't know where to find that or whatever when I ask the question can we get this oh it's on a website but Matt has extensively looked at the website and it wasn't that intuitive as far as what you get for what there's some generalities there uh the reality is and and we've talked about this that 4un Runner program that we purchased that was a huge Point bump CRS Point bump was it 700 or even above a thousand I can't remember it was quite a few you require so it houses so much information so you get so many points from it just having software you get just having the software and and the information on the software is what acquires you those points and the more many points that you require and I mean I can after all of this I mean I can break it down and give you what each class rating gives you percentagewise and points I mean we can do that that you know we can provide that we're we're getting points for having that year in place if we remove the year we lose those points when they reevaluate but if we do other things like we've bought the 41 software and maybe that's let's say that the the one year is is 100 points we get for that we drop it we lose 100 points but we're getting 200 for the 400 4 software well we we just we compensated for that so we don't lose and and I would I would suggest we don't make any adjustments if it cost us a rating if we go from a seven to an eight I wouldn't suggest that if we stay in a Seven and it takes us longer get to a six given a situation that makes sense to me um but going forward I think we ought to be aggressive on trying to do some things like the foot on the freeboard you get points for that um there's other things we can do to get points as you can see as evidence in Denon they are at zero 50% and they're at a five that's that's a couple thousand I think a couple thousand tens of thousand points between those levels whatever not only that you have to visit your flood ordinance and so that will also have to be revamped because the two have to match so if you're changing your rating or if you're changing your substantial you'd have to change your flood ordinance so that would have to go through Florida Department of Emergency Management and they'd have to review it so it's not just a simple let's take this away it it kind of goes in alignment with our flood orans it's something we can again going back to my original statement there's very little we can do that we can do there's other things we can do as well which could help with that um we have the ability to set the rates on for instance uh if you're doing the work yourself um billing official uses a set of numbers when he calculates that right the council can actually set what we do that within reason so we can't come back again I ask this question as well we can't say okay we're going to allow it to be free we're going to allow it to be a dollar an hour you can't do that but could you make a case for setting it and I don't know what it is now but could you set it at minimum wage I think so right and so if we if we're able to lower the exposure from an individual on doing the work themselves um that can help I mean there's very little we can do but there are some things that we can do to help through this so we're one of the highest ones I mean there's four of them with sens I talked about this a little bit when I was on the Planning and Zoning Board but what has the city just not been active and trying to lower these scores over the years they have I mean is it just something that just slipped by and nobody paid any attention to no they've been work on they happen I mean I think we were higher weren't we higher than a seven didn't we weren't we like at eight not long ago several years ago I don't remember I think it's been 15% entire time I've been here but I mean I know that so to get a lower number doesn't really coincide with what the mayor is talking about here right you can lose those points but I understand what he's saying as far as flexing numbers off right but higher regulatory standards is something that you would want to keep not lower right right and so we're working with GIS we're working with different acquiring forerunners going to gain us points different systems we were 210 points away from a class six so we're trying to get there but if we start messing with these numbers and start moving them and then we don't know what the AUD is going to bring in six or seven months I'm almost guaranteeing we're going to have a FEMA audit so we don't know what that's going to bring so when you start moving these numbers around it could impact it could hurt us hurt us then in what way negative way well specifically yeah specifically if you start relaxing some of these things and moving them making them more liberal the potential is is it could have a negative impact you say so well let me be let me be clear on the impact right if we was to remove the one year I'm not saying we do that right but if we remove the one year take it to zero right all right as long as we're doing what we're supposed to be doing within the parameter of that look back period of zero the audit is going to show that we're doing the right things no there's no negative impact the negative impact is is whatever point value we lose by doing that if if we don't do other things to offset that and even more right I mean you can it's these These are parameters to try to get houses in the air and there might be more effective ways to do that and and probably are besides just the time period right and we could take it to 10 years we can we can make it an infinite amount of time period so basically as soon as you invest 50% of your house you're done I mean we can get people out their house as quick as we want right but that's not that's what I'm saying well you know we don't want to do that I I think that you're trying to answer two questions here one how do we drive our class down to a better rate right and and spread that out but by the same token uh we don't want to jeopardize people that we don't have to right by making it too stringent right and from what I see here is we're all over the road here on these numbers you know panel's County's got a oneyear 49 in a three class you got dun Eden at a zero 50% which is similar to us at 50% but they're two two classes higher what are they doing right what are we doing wrong how do we compare how do we change how do we make changes in the right direction and my point is is that we can make changes outside of the time period are they we can't we don't have any information right I I would I I understand what you're saying and I would suggest that's something that we should like keep on the back burner and I think we should ask denen but I don't think now is the time to ask the needen what they're doing to get to a class 5 because they need deep an alligators too trying to fix their houses so they're not going to give us accurate information but I think that would be a really really really good this just public record thing to to to find out what they're doing to get to a level five with with a zero um thing I I can't say that we are actively working we we are trying to uh establish a PPI committee before the Hurricanes came that will with the county that will also gain us points Pasco County is at a five we're in constant communication with what they're doing we're trying to do more Outreach storm water is a big thing mapping is another big thing there there's different let me give you the let me give you all of the breakdown of every single activity and everything that every that every activity entails and this way you can understand it better and then you I can give you a graph of where we sit and what are the maximum points we can get for that and maybe that'll give you a better give you a little bit more information as to where we're at and where we can gain points and where we we're not I think we asked for that a while back when Mike was sitting here we asked what is the benefit of moving to 45 in three years four whatever three years exactly and we were supposed to have a followup on that nothing happens nothing nothing and the point is is we're trying to make decisions here but we're not getting information to do that so what we'd like to have is an analysis of where we're at today what you're proposing uh things that we can bring to the table so that we can have an change on this and drive it to the right level that we want with the lowest risk and try to help people understand where we're trying to go with this and that's really that's a that's a followup to all this in my opin what we talking about here is what do we want to do with what we have now I mean because we've got people that are going to lose their potentially lose their I I don't know we don't we hopefully we'll find out very soon but could po potentially lose their home because they did something six months ago and aalia happened six months ago and so there's there's probably a good portion of those if they if they reported and City kept track of it and all that again I don't know all the data but let's just say there's a there's there a few people in that scenario that had done some work and now if they try to put it back together they're above it because they're they're counting it six seven months ago when it per closed out can we get that data before we make that decision yeah I hope we had it tonight actually and I want I do want to add that the um any thought about and I'd like to see what new appr you did and I'm going to look that up um not tonight obviously but as we move forward but documents that this city has signed if you go backwards you've tested that you are doing what's in your code right now if you try to retroactively change that you violating that agreement and there's from the way I read it they could just boom your a 10 yeah done if that's the case then it's off the table right the way it reads right now that is the case I will look at what Newport Richie has done and what their analysis was and um be happy to talk about it more but based on what I've seen so far retroactive implication would be quite could be quite devastating yeah I don't know if I would want to take that chance that that that yes you know you can be zero one two three as you see there's there's a lot of decisions um a lot of different decisions that made by different cities so zero is is allowed but it would be something you do moving forward which wouldn't do what you're trying to accomplish and it still could have obviously the repercussions of your your class well let me let me clarify too when you talk about retroactive um if if you're looking at from a storm or event perspective it would be reactive right but if you're looking at from somebody comes in let's say we enact the change today they come in with their substantial damage which we're just starting a process that would be not retroactive again depend on what they mean by retroactive we have to look at the wording of the statute the reality is under the best case you know she's city attorney's gonna take time to draft it we have to send it to the state to review it get it back first reading second reading we're we're talking January under best of circumstances that you're going to have it in place so you're you're already four months down the road yeah why don't we why don't we have a conversation with Drisco and Rich because like I said they they showed up at emergency meeting and dropped it from 5: to two so and obviously timy Drisco competent attorney I'm quite sure if that was an issue he might have uh stopped that as well again I don't know we need to to due diligence but my only Point here is that if there's something that we can do let's please try to do something I the last the last thing I want anybody to go through is to lose their home I agree and I and and I don't know how to fix that problem because some things aren't fixable you know some people have terminal cancer well I think we we indicated that there are other avenues and from what I've seen and I've gone and used the Forerunner program jump jumed around different properties that I you know pretty much anything west of of 19 had some kind of issue but I see some properties similar type buildings and a wide discrepancy in building value and that's predominantly because somebody held it for uh 30 40 years versus somebody that may have recently acquired that building so there's two numbers so leads me to believe that potentially having an independent appraisal might give you a better value uh more current market value of the building especially if it's some building that's been held for a long number of years where it hasn't risen with the market and the Pasco website doesn't reflect the value of the building I will say this too because I ask another question because obviously this City doesn't have the capability to say okay property owner here if you youve substantially damaged we're gonna we're going to remove you from the the community rating you you're on your own at this point that's not something the city can do however if a property owner finds himself in that way they can and the city continues to pursue that uh they can take it to court and at the very end of it they have there's an ability for them to be taken out of that where it doesn't hurt the city there's an option there's very OBS we've got to find and do all the different things that the city does follow our processes at the end of the day if they get a favorable outcome at the very end of that litigation um they can be removed from the flood grouping that we're in and that property is specific property would be tagged going forward as in his own little island if you will but that's you know these are things that the property owner has to make a decision what they're going to do so unfortunately there's nothing we can do from the city say okay well if you want want to do it we'll just take you out we don't have the ability so there is a stipulation to that it's article 1316 it's a removal of a structure out of the nfip so I asked that question today during our meeting um what if a homeowner decides that they don't want to elevate or they decide that they're not going to tear their home down and they're substantially damaged so our course of action would be to take them to court and put a citation right and go to court and either let let a judge make that decision and remove them or they go to what we call a 1316 and this is brand new I I I wasn't aware of this um but it's a removal of a structure out of the nsip um that can be done but it's not something that FMA encourages but they've had had that happen in municipalities in the past understanding when I ask that question the city city couldn't do that determination that has to go through Court well if the city finds the home to be substantially damaged then we move forward we move forward with right what we do to to get in the air we don't you know we don't allow them to fix it and all the things that happen with that it it's it's on the owners of the property only to basically fight that yeah and then at the end of the proceedings Court makes that decision to allow them to go to that classification we can't just pick and choose okay well you don't want to do it you're would you say 13 16 we don't Grant the 1316 and move them out that has to be done judiciously my understanding you know anything about that that sounds right that sounds like how a process like that would work because you know we' come in and say this is what we think homeowner should have the right and a due process to say I disagree with you and that conversations that would make sense um on the same topic and I was made aware of a a situation today the when we go out I mean the process going forward what we're what we're doing is is obviously people let us in at home we can do an inspection and and kind of help them get to whatever that value is that's that's the ideal situation they reach out hey my home is flooded um what do I need to do to get this put back together we come out look at it and and help them make that determination um and hopefully before they start sinking money in it and we have to red tag them and force them in here whatever um there's a lot of in in that valuation process um that's kind of up to the building official right and he uses a set of tools or whatever and I I think we have ability to um like I talked about the values and stuff I think there's some stuff we can put in place that bu ficially uses to make that determination but uh there was this particular information which you'll hear from the resident here shortly um I think she was told that uh $65,000 to take her property up um and that's above the 50% and so um but she has another set of numbers um and so I don't really know how the process worked my understanding is is that if a person comes in they've hired contractors they had material costs and all things to bring them their property back up to minum Min standards right minimum stand um if they have there it's the onus is on them to prove to the city that the city's $65,000 estimate is actually not right because here is my estimate at 15,000 and that is under the the amount Pro see and I don't know those Communications how those work out in the end or whatever and that probably if there's a difference of opinion that probably goes to court goes through that whole process or whatever and it again I would I would hate to have to push residents to that length to be able to do that and I I don't know I mean obviously we're constricted by FEMA on what we have to do but I would think if we have something within reason submitting to to us to bring that property back and it it's below the 50% even though our shows I think that's should be enough to allow to proceed but I don't know like I said I've asked a question that's my understanding um because one thing to keep in mind the things that you replace and I use a countertop example say you need to do countertops to bring it back to liveable right you can put Builder grade which is X dollars or you could put uh Italian marble you import from but that raises you basically putting all your money in that countertop and that gets you to the 50% faster so you can depending on what you do to stay to to rebuild your property if you put you take that as as the opportunity to really upgrade your your home and see really fine uh things um all you're doing is adding more dollars towards that 50% to get you to point you can't do it but now on the same side if you if you do less um you can probably stay under that by not putting the nicest fixures in you just put the building grade stuff in there so I mean there's a lot of things can be done again well I think the caveat to this is that that because we have probably a lot of experience over the last few weeks where people come in and say it's $4,000 to do this work and then we remind them that we're probably going to get that information from FEMA in terms of what they got for flood insurance then all of a sudden it's $40,000 worth of work right it's so that's a true case and there also in a case of that where there is an insurance settlement maybe not so much FEMA but probably insurance I imagine they come in and they you know they write all that stuff up and they come with this this exorbitant number well they could probably spend all that to get it to there there's probably the ability to not put finest stuff in there again put those Bas those numbers on I think there's ways to do things cheaper than what the insurance and people pocket of money happens all the time but my point though is this is that we know that we are going to be audited and so if we come in to that audit with FEMA and then have you know all of our permits 30 40 50% below the numbers that they would expect those to be we're going to fill that on so it's it's not it's not a matter of well you know we're going to do a good thing for this resident because in doing a good thing for that Resident we're going to lose our ability to have flood insurance in the city so it it has to be reasonable that's what they they've said every time we talked about this issue is you just expect it to be reasonable but you know 30 to 40 50% below what we would expect is not reasonable no there's definitely if it's a big gap like that I agree right and and so I mean earlier you said well you know somebody go buy a a stove for a hundred bucks well they're not going to look at that and say that's a reasonable placement for that well it's again they may not my my argument there is is that absolutely is reasonable I go Facebook now buy all kind of $100 stones and I should be able to do that but you're not the one that's going to take away way our ability to have FL your opinion doesn't matter it's Fe is now well no I get that but these are qu this this is not this is not a world according to me I say I'm just making points here that uh you know what can we do as a city that that uh provides a little wiggle room for people that are close to that well but I I think in and I guess you know I I disagree with where you starting from that we're not doing that already I think we are doing that I mean I think our staff is is not looking at saying you know you're $5 low here right you need to increase it by$ five doll they're they're not doing that and again I think uh whether it's Veronica or whether it's Tony and just the shortterm time that Tony's been here um they're not here to do that they're and they're not doing that but again if you come in with $4,000 worth of work in a house that you've taken all the you know everything out because we picked it up so we already have a good understanding of of what you've done and you come in and it's $4,000 permit you know you're not being honest and and if we just close our eyes and say whatever you know we have at the end of all this we're g to be facing FEMA and they're going to say why did you allow them to do this when you know you know again just as a a a check and balance this this particular property owner got $60,000 from from FEMA for their insurance so we know that there's probably a lot of work and you you allow a permit for 4,000 and again you know I I don't know how in the end they came up with 40 I I think I'm guessing they probably had their receipts and they show this is this is what it is but but again you know it's it's it's in the end not going to be up to us at all it's going to be up to FEMA what they think's reasonable we just have to have a compelling case and if we go in with a bunch of $4,000 permits we're not going to have a compelling case and and I think that's what we're trying to do is not say oh you know you had marble countertops and you're lowering it down to this so mean they're not doing that just that's there's there's no evidence of that yet I mean I have not heard that that we're requiring people to increase their value because they're they're stepping up or stepping down I mean we're just trying to be reasonable what's the the the rate that we're charging or we tell people that for their their own labor it's low it's $67 in change for labor for labor personal labor for hour minimum wage I'm sorry I'm sorry minimum wage yeah no no no sorood sorry sorry per FEMA it's $336 an hour an hour the 67 you reference was what that's what they volunteer lab square that was per no that was per the square foot I'm sorry oh I thought they did say in that meeting though that it was some number that they charge for volunteer labor was so to in today's meeting we found the form on the ICC the building official has been using the utility codes at $67 and change uh for a residential home is $172 that's brand new right minus 20% for repair yeah so 100 and you know so the difference he's been using the $67 per square foot when we know that that's probably a little bit below so we're trying to get people to be able to fix their homes to get back in while staying in compliance right I was told minimum wage when I pulled my permit on if I did work myself what am I I have to pay myself minimum see say it's $33 that's what we're using right that's what F told us that's not what I was told here when I pulled my permit yeah it's that's I think I heard that as well that the we're tell is minimal it's like 11 and 12 bucks right yeah but who minimum W so when we were first started it was minimum wage it was $12 12 to $13 an hour and then FEMA informed us and says that is way too low we go with the medium of $336 or 61 that's what they told us in our meeting even so that's a $60,000 salary I have to disagree with evaluation evaluation include Furniture no okay appliances only only certain ones some certain ones okay refrigerator stove microwave and and I know Insurance in FEMA FEMA looks at like like a television like give you $200 a range they give you like $300 they don't want they just want to just a basic bare minimum so that's what the evaluation should be then and for you to have water in your house you can put your house back together for anywhere from three to probably $122,000 uh if you do it yourself under a homeowner's permit some contractors May charge more may be a little bit more in some houses but you how much it's going to cost to put that house back together it could be very low 30 sheets of drywall 58 is $450 yeah that's that's my so that's my fear here is that it left UND discussed right with these certain rules there's there's there's inflation going on I mean this use 33 hours an hour for example something I can do myself for free I mean I totally disagree with that again we're not going to change FEMA here and that's not my goal um I I would have a hard time and I I would be quite honest I I think if that came to court that if we saying that a person doing himself paying himself minimum wage I think Fe be have a hard time coming across saying that that's not reasonable because that's what minimum wage is it's it's a reasonable wage I wouldn't want to have that fight well I wouldn't either but well yeah because you're first you're dealing with a with a entity that ask you to dot the te's and cross or do the cross the t's yeah they don't have to spell you know so this is this is the problem I have they're being very specific about stuff that they're not specific on um they want to low B stuff but they want you to hiball stuff and and I think we need to be reasonable with them just like they're reasonable with us you know and that's reasonable yeah and and I'm GNA I've had and I'm going to continue to have conversations with with uh our legislators to um to get in front of FEMA to hopefully enact something we're not going to do it here we've got to we've got to play the hand we de right going back we have very little that we can do in this I just I wouldn't have a discussion see if there's something that we could do that would you know maybe make a small difference well we need to be proactive with our with our homeowners you know I talked to a few people and I've heard drywall contractors getting anywhere from $100 AB board to $250 a board so why is that it is but they're opportunistic and they're getting hired you know there's that's a good point you bring up Dave I think you had an issue somebody paid how much to have their dry I I had a friend of mine paid 14 Grand to have his drywall remove so let's just only at the two foot up yeah so let's use that as an example there's obviously price gou stuff goes on so that $14,000 goes in his calculation because spent money right and realistically he could have had it done for two grand so there's there's a 12 gar Delta just in hurry up and get mine done I know my neighbor across street he to get it done fast he paid six grand to have it mitigated what because he wasn't there right so there's a lot of every it's a case by case thing it's very difficult to but we should be reasonable when we're talking to female yeah but I guess if the money's and it's $14,000 to say I don't know what FEMA's calculation would be to to evate the drywall well it's it's that and dry it out you know so there's actually two pieces that quick so so just just to give you some perspective I had asked earlier verica okay that that asting hurricane permits have been issued and right now issued is 35 there's 30 pending right um I asked her what the job cost value of those hurricane issued permits so I'm assuming that's the 35 right so that that total is 4 184,000 some change that comes out to an average of 13,8 00 per per job seems [Music] like well I mean based on what was said earlier I mean that's that's what kind of what is in that range of to be on average these are smaller homes true um I was thinking 25 to 40 on a smaller home or you know th000 foot home right so I mean I I guess that's why I'm you know I'm drawing my conclusion that we're probably not out there inflating numbers and try to work with people just based on that because I would have expected that to be a higher number as well again what what we were hearing from FEMA is we would be expecting higher numbers them so real quick I was just gonna say can we can we we're beating a dead horse can we just move on yeah no the only thing I was going to add is comment obviously and I I wanted have Christine come she's been here waiting so we hear from her and then we can move on absolutely Christine Sullivan 7808 weberlane that M if you could just Christine Sullivan 7808 weberlane am I in a Time constriction restriction three minutes okay I have a 750 foot Cottage on the Cody River with no flooding history ever that any of the neighbors know about um I have no permits in the lookback period um the building inspector came into my home today stood in my kitchen stood in my kitchen which small looked around stood in the doorway of a bedroom stood in the doorway of another bedroom did not turn on a light go into the bathroom at all um did not go in the backyard did not go in the sidey yard did not look at the front yard or anything I mean he just came right in the house he he himself said the floors looked good felt good he said he asked me if there were any foundation issues that I noticed I said there were not he said it felt good to him and then he put his thing down on the table and he said here's where we stand we're at $65,000 I have a 750 square foot home we're at $65,000 he said that includes labor that includes your appliances that includes building this house up from from the floor up to 4 feet well I only had one foot of water in my home I have water lines to prove that he didn't ask to see the water lines I kept them to prove that um so I have one one foot it was a simple tear out process my son lives with me we had it torn out in a day um I also tore out two sheds worth of things like all of the storage cabinets that were in the sheds and everything so if you're looking at pictures on the road of that you're looking at items that were not just in the house I had two sheds that everything was just on the floor that's just the way how everything was left and the I just took it all to the road um my countertops are fine uh more than half of my cabinets are fine my bathroom is so tiny it can't even take cabinets there are no cabinets they're little Cube things cuz my kitchen is 8 by 8 8 by seven is the size of my kitchen so how this amounts to 75 or 65,000 when FEMA said it was 10,000 that's what I got from FEMA my house cost me $60,000 um four years ago in a distress sale type situation um because it was a horrible area and it had been a rental and the woman the very wealthy woman who was selling it just wanted some cash and so I I got a good cash deal I don't see why I should have to have my property taxes go up for a property appraisal that's going to come in probably high enough to cover this but it's going to cost me forever and ever $65,000 is absolutely unreasonable I brought pictures with me if anybody would like to see um my electricity is already way high up the wall it's no way it went underwater um there's just nothing there's just nothing he said my floors felt good himself FEMA told me my floors didn't need to be replaced so it was an inout flood it happened fast I lost drywall personal possessions I don't know what to tell you thanks so that's a real story now what what what the data is behind it what the conversation you know staff you know that's her side OB bil fish may have his own story whatever but I just I bring this out that you know there's people in the circumstance and whatever we're doing to make those calculations or whatever again I don't that's a big Delta 65 to 10 that's what FEMA gave her again I don't I don't know we need to look into that and keep in mind that FMA does not do substantial damage assessments right just so you're aw okay let's talk anym Christine can I please so I can't I'm sorry it's I apologize so but we we need to be cognizant of these issues to make sure that uh the residents are getting a fair Shake again if a fair Shake is we've got this set of numbers that are so rigid that we have to follow well then that's like you know unfortunately that's what we have to do I I find it hard to believe that we would have Deltas like that um but I guess it's possible so I just iore the staff to kind of see what use that as a case study and see where we're at and then maybe bring recommendation back to Council on what we can do I need I need staff to to I need staff to think about this and and obviously you guys these this is your job you aren't elected we're all elected up here the people elect us to watch the back right the staff works for the people and we have guidelines we have to follow and like I said there's very little we can do here so I just impl staff to um be cognizant of what we need to do from a FEMA standpoint um and if there's anything that we can do from a legislative standpoint that we can help this please bring that to us um and maybe there's nothing but I I had to ask a question I but I I want to say that the EV St is doing that again I don't know anything about this particular situation um you know we'll look into it and find out what it is and I I definitely will bring it back at least decide that uh the building official has with this but again I think you know especially I mean what what is getting me kind of torn up here is the thought that our staff isn't already thinking that and already doing that 100% all the time there is no one because I mean I have you know in my office I have the conversations with our staff they have to go out and tell people this stuff you know she does not like it you know I have to keep reminder we have to do our job yeah it's on a daily basis that she has to confront people I me she's she's the front I I get out because I'm not there she has to go out she has she's the one that tells them yeah and and to think that that Veronica or Tony or anyone of our other staff parts not doing everything they can to try to make it so our our res can stay in our houses I think that's that's a false narrative that that the only people that are saying that are the ones that are bringing in a permit for $4,000 when they've done $40,000 worth of work because those are the people I talk to and every time I go and look that's what I find and so I I don't think it's fair to say that they should be doing it because they are doing it they're doing it on a daily basis let let let me please the comments over sorry so let me be clear here that was in no way saying the staff is not doing that believe me I would not want to be in that position to to go and confront those people to tell them that they they seceeded their 50% I I know and and please hear me I know everybody on staff is doing best they can so I think you misunderstood what I'm trying to say is is you guys have to work within a set of guidelines that this Council puts into place be a feale and all right so we and all I'm saying is if there's something there that's constraining you let's know so we can UNC constrain it that's all I'm saying if it's if it's a year if half of these people I think we had 800 is it right in fire 800 homes that were flooded I think so if 400 400 of those are going to lose their home because of this year that's a constraint no fault of you guys as you said you're just doing your job but if that's something that Council can look at and potentially change legally do that and we can prevent maybe turn that 400 into only a 100 lose our homes by all means let's entertain it that's that's all this is this is not an exercise of of saying staff's not doing a job I know you guys are working hard I know believe me I I I really appreciate everything you guys do so don't take that the wrong way there's there's a process we have to follow I get that and and again you know we started out with sub te s actually we started out with what we thought were 1100 homes it came down to 7 to 800 that we believe were impacted based upon what FEMA thinks possibly substantially damage we have that down I think down to 2 250 approximately and 250 that's just an approxima of what we're thinking is of what we're thinking is substantially Dam in that univers substantially damaged and so that's that's the next set of letters going out is we think you're in this and you know that number is going to come down again and and that's when we start getting into the very specifics of okay you know what what is it that you are spending to redo that um you know when all a said and done we're probably going to be in the 100ish range is my guess but again we have to work through the process because we don't again we have thema sitting there telling us what or you know ask what why didn't we do that and and they're not going to care that you know we're trying to look out for our residents they not I completely understand we have to work through this again I I understand where we'd like to be everyone love to have all the answers right up front but again we we have a calculation of we have X number of bodies we we have you know that 250 200 say low than 200 we have really one person as stability official is going to make that determination and so that's why we're trying to get those resources from the state so we can you know multiply it out so we can get through those two to 250 to get it down to hopefully a lot lower maybe it's going to be less than 100 but but you know we just have to go through these processes and I know people are upset they want to get back in their house we know it there's nothing worse in my mind than an empty house right from a lot of different perspectives Public Safety from values I mean just that's the worst thing so we are working to try to do that but we can only go so far we can only go so fast and and we wish we could get more answers out but it's just taking us time to do that no I I totally agree I said not this conversation was not meant to to chastise staff at all I just if there's anything as you guys see because you guys are in a trench as you guys are dealing with it you might see hey well this might be something I mean just like Ron had a good idea on the adding the waiver for the thing again I don't know if we can do that but anything that we can do to help bring those numbers down that's our job up here is to give you the tools in order to be able to effectively do that so well was the $65,000 assessment was that itemized or was there any look there's an example to use but this I there may be something there light bulb come on and say well should be itemized why so let's L said it's kind of a beating a dead horse but I appreciate it's important I think we owe the the public this conversation and so that's why I spent so much time on it so don't forget a lot of those people are our residents are also our employees and a lot of our employees also lost everything so AB this is this is even if they don't live in the city they absolutely we've got police on fire and and I'm sure other clerical people that have also lost everything and so we're we're trying to help everybody yeah absolutely and again I hope that uh as little as possible lose their homes because that's the last that's the last thing inevitably it's going to happen um so if there's anything we can do to help as Council please get it to us U next up item number nine uh board committee fiscal year 2425 membership renewals I'll pass renewal of all board and commit members for fisc year 2425 is for Council city council approval each member has submitted proper renewal form is interested in serving on the board committee for the F motion to approve the board Committee Member list second a motion second is the first question anyone public comment before V I just want to say one thing I want to point out that um it's very important that we have board and committee members to help serve the city and I want to personally extend a thank you for each and every one of folks that actually put in to have their their uh membership renewed and I encourage other people to get involved we need your help um it takes an army to run the city but I I want to personally thank each and every one of you guys for for uh being a part of our our city so with that I put the vote all in favor 6 I saying I I opposed motion carries uh next up item number 10 City Centennial event list I'll pass it Mr C for introduction so um my G to turn it back over to you okay okay uh well so I I'll introduce it so basically what you see in the packet on page 94 is a a list of events that the Centennial committee has um come up with and what we're looking for is this Council to um opine on that and if you see anything that you don't like if you like taking out or if you see something that's not in here you think we should add um this is kind of what we've come up with we've we've had extensive uh time put in workshops and we we we tally put these dates to it I will say that uh these are obviously subject to change we just tried to lay out a timeline that kind of made sense and what you will kind of see if you look at this is start it's a 100 day of 100 days of events for the Centennial starting in February and about every two weeks we're having something kind of scheduled and that's what you see on on the left there I will bring up one thing I'm still working on to get dates is the in March the golf scramble Taste of Fort Richie pub crawl wine stroll um that Saturday March 2 that is actually spring break week here and so um I don't think it may impact other one the golf scramble it it kind of impacts because uh Ryan Burke is he actually does a golf Scramble for his um business and uh he's he's willing to take that on sponsor that event um but he's going to be out of town obviously for that and he's actually looking at um getting dates from inisbrook to try to to get options that would probably that would probably be on a Monday sometime is it's kind of what best time to have golf scrambles are um So that obviously these dates subject change but if we could at least on the the concept of the the time frame every couple weeks having something and these list of events if we could get a a motion to approve that like said if we want to add any or whatever means we I can take that back to committee for to have it added motion to accept the list of events for the 100 day City Centennial C second a motion second any further discussion yeah are you uh going to try to fund raise with each of these events as well yeah so the goal that's why we wanted to get this list adopted because um also with the logo once that's cified actually I think if we send out sponsorship packets yet s we sponsorship packets yeah we got the pack have we s them out anybody whatever right okay so basically we're going to send out the sponsorship packet to solicit funding with this list of events and so you know you can sponsor multiple ones you could be the sole sponsored one it just lets the the uh in a sponsor packet lets folks know what we're goingon to be doing it gives them an opportunity to to tag Lo some right but essentially anybody that's going to participate it's got to pay some kind of fee as well okay and you're going to have you know like you got got a mayor's ball you're going to have a rent rent a facility somewhere I mean things are going to cost more yeah one sec just before you vote I wanted to bring up one of the questions that came from Centennial committee about subcommittees oh yes I was GNA bring it up anyway um outside of this do we have another Aven for that old business okay um yeah yeah so yeah there's I get to that a minute so if we so the event list going back to Dave so some of these things are would be self- supported through um entry Fe entry fees right fishing tournament yeah yeah you know obviously the city depending on the event the city will have varying costs some no cost at all it all be driven based on those entry fees and it' be self-sustaining even self-run um and so if you look at some of the events um OB the the mayor's ball that would be a ticketed event as well um I've actually asked we originally we wanted to do obviously somewhere in the city we don't really have a facility for that Newport Richie just had theirs at the um AR spart Manor okay great facility and so um I believe Caroline on our committee is going to reach I gave her the contact information for Spartan Manor I think for that event I believe they sponsored it they took care of it all that I don't know if what the arrangement was or whatever but um that venue May sponsor us we're reaching out to them to see um at what level that would be but obviously there' be we'd sell tickets um and whatnot so there's there's very few things on here other than like the fir work celebration and the the concert the city would probably put on everything else would probably be um you know minimal as far as staff time police fire whatever um coordination well you know some of these things I think you know like Pub crawling on wine stroll I we don't have many restaurants to crawl through right uh you know and then you know this car show where would that be uh I believe we were looking at potentially the mall parking lot for some of that stuff Waterfront Park would be an option as well yeah depending on yeah that they didn't allow that in the past but maybe that's changed okay I had a motion have a second a second any other discussion on events anyone public I comment good list thank you come back for a vote all in favor 65 saying I I I oppose motion carries next up is the old business and I'll start with old business um along the same line Centennial so we had a question because obviously with all these events or whatever um our committee is seven nine nine I think um we're we had the question of Well for now we establish event so let's say the fishing tournament event we need probably a group of folks to kind of run with that and and plan it what have you um but we we don't by resolution have the ability to create ad hoc committees um I guess there's a a question of whether that's actually committee or not I asked the question Newport Richie how they did theirs and they created a centennial committee and then they Centennial committee basically they kind of establish their little working planning groups if you would to to go forth on different things and and they solicited people to be part of those again I don't know um law wise if we need to allow the S to to put that together or if we want to keep that Council councel they they make a suggestion they come back again but I don't want to do is get in a point where we got a lot of red tape to get through to get these things accomplished so so it depends on how you do it if you want to create which what you want what you're trying to avoid is creating some sort of committee that should be meeting in the sunshine that's not right right so um you can have if let's say I'll use the golf golf tournament because you mentioned that that Mr wants to help with if he's not on the committee but the committee says Mr Burke take it he can go he can do whatever he's going to do come back and report back to you now if you want it to be Mr Burke and two other gentlemen or two other people to meet and talk about it they could only do such an activity as fact finding only they can't make any decisions they would have to just go to all the different golf courses and get the get the here's when they're available here's the how much it's going to cost bring everything back to the committee and then the decision can be made then they can't make any eliminations they can't make any determinations because once they make that they're no longer fact finding they're now becoming advisory and once you're advisory you're in the to be in the sunshine so we we said Comm come back to the commit centenial committee it would have to come back Council ultimately yes like you know your first step would be the centenal Centennial committee is interested in this golf thing Mr bur's going to go figure it out on his own he'll come back to the centenial committee report and you come back to council that's would be one plan right if you want Mr Burke to have people help him that's where you have to be careful about what they're doing and if they're fact finding only they can come back to the Centennial committee and say Here's the three golf courses we spoke to here's the information they have the Centennial Committee in the sunshine makes a decision so and then you bring back for Council to to simplify that um if we can so if we if as Council just approved a golf scramble right right and so through our solicitation ran Burg says yep I'm G to sponsor the Centennial committee he goes forth and he puts on sorry golf screen he goes out and he reaches out to Linda and because Linda's having golfer and and damn good golfer I've heard very I've got 14 um and and so she helps or whatever is it is there really that level of oversight that that becomes a committee at that point because she's a resident and she's going out helping plan that event that's already sanctioned approved by Council that we're going to have it do we need to get into the and bolts of that that would be that that's the decision you have to make is as who who you're tasking with what and how much responsibility you're giving them are you asking Mr Burke to go do it and on his own figure it out and bring it back to you he's obviously going to call people he's going to ask he's going to call the different locations and find out information but once you get more than one person making a determination you you may run into a sunshine issue that's the problem you're going to have you're you're going to have to have someone do it because you have to have the information right so someone's going to have to be tasked whether it's the centenal Centennial committee saying member on the committee you go figure this stuff out and bring us the information or if someone's volunteering to do it they go get that information and bring it back to you that's you know one person but if you once you combine more than one person you're getting into a committee issue it's easy Revel to C3 doesn't like that I know I I I know that look do Choice B he's not liking Choice that's that that you can do whatever you want that is my thought process you have a question World H based based on the information that we received from Newport they the Centennial committee had their advisory committees but they would go out plan but report back to this senten committee which is okay if they're bringing all their facts back and I'm not saying you can't do that just don't let them make the decision so you could make a committee like saying you miss say Mr Burke that one we all okay you have Mr Burke and two other people are going to help him they can go get all the information about these three golf courses and the availability and the cost and whatever the deals are but they don't get to make the decision they bring it back to you and then in the sunshine that information's provided which is what their advis committee I assumed it they they don't come back and say Here's the contract sign it that's that's that's the committee's decision in the sunshine committee's decision in the sunshine so do do we have the ability current resolution to your current resolution is violent 100% doesn't say you can't doesn't say you can so so I don't I don't I don't I don't think I mean I don't think that's I don't think it's a huge so basically what we can say when the sponsors take event or whatever they come back long you know they plan event or whatever they bring it back and Centennial committee would then basically approve that and then they enact it right and there's no sunshine law no long you don't have a committee out there making a decision that no one else gets to hear and then they just bring it to you right so as long as they come back to and we we talk about it yes okay but what what I didn't want to do is obiously come back to us and we had to recommend the council we do it C say it's okay it's all this red taped just plan that's what we do to make your life more interesting and Illy the cental command I guess if there was a significant or even somewhat minor involved um we let Matt make the determination whether we need to bring it to council so because obviously we talk about these events or whatever there is a committing of City resources so um they will we'll cross that we come I guesses um that's all the old business I had any my El US 19 Grand Boulevard this is quick no such thing is quick so are we going to have a dump tank at the Centennial party are you going to be in there there is a dump tank can we can we ask that next time please sorry yeah I commit you I'm thinking out loud I'm sorry Grand 19 so um was involved in a conversation uh regarding the funding for the US 19 actually a couple different conversations so first conversation um had was with the County engineer and he had brought forward a couple different options for the city to pursue to get potentially 50% funding for that um one is through the state uh there's a program I I don't remember all the details of it um but we could apply to that uh the time frame is coming up pretty quickly I think that we' need to get it in um and we could possibly get like I said 50% of 300ish thousand that we estimate that would be so we would share 150 they would share 150 and understand I think that number was a little bit inflated because it was a small project so depending upon when it get got bit out you know that number hopefully comes down the second option with that is if we can't get funding for that um he had indicated that there is money set aside for uh the county to do uh kind of these enhancement programs um but again it's a match 50% it was something that if we applied to the state we don't get that he'd be willing to take up and uh work with the uh the County Commission to get that funded as well and I think without getting into the weeds it has something to do with the money that they've set aside uh for the trail system that they might be able to utilize um the other conversation was had with the mo uh executive director tenia Gorman and um the mayor was on that call as well so I won't speak for him and his thoughts on this but effectively uh we're at the point where we can submit now uh to get that in a funding uh cycle um the downside which would be 100% uh the downside to that is we probably wouldn't be able to start construction until sometime in fiscal year 26 so latter half of 25 is probably when when funds could be committed and so if we go that route 100% but we're probably looking Sometime Late 25 early 26 to get that uh project done and so kind of looking for some direction um in terms of what your thoughts are you want to do it sooner or later it sounds like we got to put in for the grant no matter what because might not get it anyway well so let me so thank you why wouldn't you do that thank you a lot for bringing that up it slipped my mind definitely to have the conversation so as he's as he stated we can do it now and only pay half of it and get it done okay potenti but what does now mean how long does it take if we do it now pull the trigger today you're still talking probably 8 nine 10 months no no yeah be late next year really yeah % yeah because again you have to apply through the the state get award oh this this I thought you said it was Pasco funding no that's that's if we don't get the funding from the state so option one is we go through the district seven again I can't you remember what it's some program has County in it I don't remember exactly but um but that District s um and so we could get lined up if we got it we're probably not doing anything until you know mid to late next year and that Grant is 50% 50% and if they say no if they say no then the county said he would then put that forward to the County Commission uh to get County resources to do 50% so again we may not know from the state until March of next year so I mean it kind of layers out that that under the best of circumstances in those three funding options the earliest is probably going to be mid to late next year okay so that being said Mak so so the timeline on all of these things are about the same uh yeah I mean I think the early well the earliest one is you say go do it let's use the the money that we got get it done that's that's the soonest right that's us pay for 100% 100% we just do it we could do that in three months six months I would say we we'd be in construction within six months yeah in construction so when be complete till maybe nine months yeah it's probably 180 day I think be it's mov slower the government sounds to me like under all those scenarios I'd go for the 100% time frames of all about the same so here's here's the NP side of it I got a meeting this Thursday um they've they will it's number it's number six on their unfunded list right so the process is is we want to seek that when that comes before the board for priorization of funding that would happen I guess early next yeah early next year okay and then it would potentially be funded next year next fiscal year and you're you're you're looking out I think a year yeah fiscal fiscal year 26 so when it wouldn't be committed until October 1st right and then after that then it's then it's funded and then it it can start to go through the other phases so they're G to cover 100% of it um and again it's number six on prior list so they will to do it my thoughts around this was is you know at the time when gildogs was open and all that it was a The Crossing was much more important right now that that stuff is is is closed and this development is is uh being looked at or whatever that's going to take some time too so maybe it makes sense especially if we're kind of going plan state we don't get that to you lose time there you know we we don't pursue the no um and we do that and then something changed in past pasal change their mind or whatever U maybe it's because it sounds like we're going to be around the same time maybe low early if the 50% works out um maybe we go all in for the 100% with the no um it's not going to be much longer and we engage them early and we we put forth that and I think timeliness um we we'll probably find out more about potential development and all that and we don't spend any money and we can commit those AR funds to more road paving or some other thing in the city we need to do to me that sounds like a better approach and we use that money for something else and we'll know we'll get it done it's going to take a little longer than we'd like I don't know that it's as pressing as it was again I I don't know I know for me I did my golf cart so I can cross anywhere so I'm not bound by it but other people are you probably the example is yours mine I have a light on my too um couple I could throw a monkey runch into this that I we were at the meeting last week and we know that Newport Richie bought that hotel night's hotel and I was told that they're looking at doing a the boat ramp we know but Newport Richie and the county in conjunction so I'm not suggesting this I'm just throwing another monkey wrench into this plan that you don't do anything to sim to to Nick's partk let the county do their thing it'll probably be the same time frame I don't know that's one monkey wrench that I'm not proposing but it's there um you're proposing not to do the golf cart Crossing no we need to do the golf cart Crossing okay sure what I'm what I would say and I'm okay with either one I'm okay with us spending the money and doing it right now um it's the community has made it perfectly clear they want that yes the only thing that I I take pause in is that we can get it 100% funding with a little time you know we is time a bad thing in this scenario not necessarily right because there's not a lot going on down there's a lot going on but it's it's all in works right there's there's not there's not a big a draw to have to come across there um so if we can get it 100% funded we seek that out then we immediately deploy those other resources that we'd be paying to have it done now and do some other things more road paving whatever you whatever we I AG respectfully I disagree with that you have got your whole side of the city that wants to go downtown Newport Richie and they can't go across license plate so they don't want to go to gildogs but you got you got a whole side of of Richie that wants to go downtown and they can't get there right now so um you know irregardless of our situation there are people that that can't afford and one of the things I remember the one of the examples was people want to go and they want to get groceries and they want to go and they can't you know that's their only form of um transportation thank you transportation is to get across there so I I think the golf cart Crossing for many Resident as we've heard for a long time is very important and I think our residents are going to use the golf cart Crossing more than we know our residents don't use the boat ramp it's more County residents that use the boat ramp boat ramp's important I agree with that it's very important it's very very very important it's important to the county not so much to Port Richie where the golf par Crossing is specifically important to the residents of Port Richie yeah no I I totally agree and like I said I could I'm okay with really doing anything I just it's an opportunity to um get something for free and us to be able to deploy resources elsewhere I'm not saying the boat ramp I'm just saying whatever we think is more of a priority at take time we got to spend money out of arpa before the end of the year so I'm open for what so OB so are you you saying do it now spend money all 100% for Richie that yeah okay so like said I go with wa really what's your thought let's get the Dollar on the table talking about 350,000 yeah okay and that would that would come from what front ARA arpa and we'd have to have it committed but but by December 31 yes and we have I don't see anything on arpa here where we're at the spin uh that needs to be looked at as well do we have that for correct well no no where do we stand with the ARA funds that have to be there's 650,000 there but I know there's some projects also we were just talking about that in there too but yes the money you can't I from what I read on that thing it they have to be if you're going to do construction it has to be contracted construction you can't say hey I'm GNA hold this again it's got to be encumbered for an actual project that is going to happen so sounds like we got 650,000 that we need to spend quickly and I know we haven't taken that that peer out some other things in here right that's about to bid correct appear the destruction appears going yeah very soon with that we were just we're waiting for Public Works to finish what they had to do remove approaching 45 days you know we have the we have the package and everything so that project is already in going so we have that money encumbered to do that project yeah fine we've signed a contract on that no in the end that still be considered all so we're good so since you had the floor where you at on the golf Crossing what do you think I could go either way also if we got funds and we need to spend them and we can get this done let's go for it Bob what's your thoughts I say go for it too people are going across there all the time now yeah it's going to make it safer yeah and that's a terrible intersection I mean we we run into almost run into people every time we go in my truck you can't see that thing yeah okay well it sounds like there's your consensus move forward on the golf cart proc I make a motion that we move forward on the golf cart CR second motion second any further discussion Danny anything you like to add hey we need to gol no other public here so put the vote all in favor I say I I oppose motion carries we're gonna fix Grand Boulevard did or not so I will with that I will let uh I will let t on Thursday know that we can remove the alpha list at um we're going to purs on own what did you just say I will let no board that we take that off the list because we're going to pursue it on our own well we need to give a couple more items to add that well I was going to say the caveat to that is we need to get the uh underpass project right we'll have discussion so and maybe maybe that is helpful so do you want to say something about the underpass project so you found out that's good information yeah so um that that project is moving forward um Al be it's uh but again when when I had the conversation with the County engineer this project came up and whatever reason um he is a very big uh proponent of this project and very interested in it and uh recently had been uh reaching out to the state to look at the funding uh for that project and what the state came back is that it's eligible and again I can't remember what the acronym is for the Fundy um but it is eligible for 100% funding for the construction piece um as well as I think also some of theary design engineering stuff that would be done the only thing that wouldn't be contained with that is RightWay acquisition and there is one piece that uh uh with actually goes along the uh state right away on to catch's uh restaurant property um how however there's been some recent redesign since we went from a uh a golf cart element to it to just a pedestrian bike pathway um that actually reduces the amount of of land we would have to acquire from them and they've let us know that they are interested in working I mean they're they're satisfied that it would be a minimal taking that they would have to give up and so they're interested in working with us on that so again I don't know yet what that number is for RightWay acquisition but it looks like it's probably not going to be as big of a number um as what we thought and again if we're taking this project off of uh the uh Mo's list maybe we can put that on there one get it moved back up into the unfunded but close um and get the the county to start f using on that project um and possibly maybe get some additional funding for right away yeah and I I can tell you that the the N board several members on there are very interested in moving that up it used to be number two priority I think Dro well we got a water main we gotta run over there we need to deal with DOT also across the bridge can we do that at the same time I don't think they they deal any with infrastructure on the water stuff well we will we'll take the issue up with them to see what can be done um I don't know if it can be melded into that project we'll see we'll see going back to your conversation about the the hotel um I just let you all know now obviously the um the County city of New Richie and US Matt myself met with them there's there's talk of of a combined project there because there's everybody kind of owns a little bit of property so but boat ramp Marina big shoes commercial stuff they've they've talked about um again very early stages but uh obviously the hotel was key and they just voted to acquire that um and so that conversation happened and with that did we ever get a measurement on the sidewalk across chance to do that I don't think it's it's eight feet so from a golf cart perspective um I think we we probably need to look at getting away to legally cross a on the bridge I people use a sidewalk now but um if it and if it's so we we spoke to the uh was was it state that we talked to these these conversations or so many of them is either the county or the state I think it was with the state and they had indicated that the city has the ability to to make that a gol golf cart Crossing it but it has to meet certain criteria for instance if you did it you could only allow it to be 15 miles an hour right but one of the the big impediments is that it has to be 8 feet wide and unfortunately it it kind of has a lot of land where you could probably do something but when you get into the the part of the bridge conrete barrier yeah then all of a sudden it starts getting down to maybe five or six feet but I just have to measure it but if it's 8 feet then it's a lot easier for us to declare that another problem though is at some point it turns into Newport Richie so we'd have to get Newport Richie also to right to be a partner of that yeah so that's another thing in the future we you probably look at trying to get some golf cart Crossing you ready for all these golf carts Chief going on we're gonna get you a police C golf cart so you can fit right in and a megaphone all right next that's all oh business well with regard to the arpa funds when we look at the things that we're trying to spend down so that we exit and have a photo finish we zero out that account are there any other things that you're aware of that can be quick hitters like dredging the police boat uh under the police boat Li that's an estimate I got was about five grand uh is there some things like that uh that can be assembled so that you can understand where we stand with respect to remaining spent well if we're doing a golf cart crossing a grain that would pretty much take care of us I think with the well there's there's I don't know if this I just search real quick so I don't I don't think this is my updated one um but it shows about $650,000 is what's currently available with the the biggest part being 585 584 almost 585 coming from the water name project and and so so this encumbers you know the the money necessary for the peer removal so we don't have to worry about that um so again there's probably about 600,000 so highend 300,000 out of that there's still another $350,000 could we do a b the bathroom I mean we had a number if you remember we we had sort of had this conversation in terms of what the the priorities would be I didn't that's not the one I pulled up unfortunately so I don't have those in front of me what the priorities would be but I'll you know tomorrow I'll dig that out and I'll send it out forone to remind them right anything else old business next ramp needs fixed bad that hole is getting worse and worse what is that the next ramp the the ramp is getting worse and worse that hole it's busting tires it's busting license plates off it's busting out lights do do we we have money in narpa from put money Penny for Pasco the 50% match to the grant we we haven't gotten notice on the last Grant yet have we you should have gotten that though we're not getting we're not getting it okay that takes care of that so we have $325,000 set aside in penny for Pasco and there are a lot of look that would been so that was that was to be the 50% match if we got the uh the grant for the ramp project there's there was a lot of different elements to that I mean it was more than just the ramp itself so um we could look at just what the ramp repairs would need to be to get that up there yeah I think we need to get that at a minimum that might be good uh also don't you have a floating that's uh gone off its uh thing over at Waterfront Park the floating dock is well that's that's going to be a uh Insurance claim okay Lisa do you have some no I just no it's just that's something that that needs repaired locals do use it but people people around the county and out of the county use it too but it brings that is the whole point is the water and so people want want put their boats in there and and it brings them Outsiders here who stop at the restaurants and things like that up and down the river so yeah it's important anything else Linda for her favorite J is there a second second and motion second all in favor say by saying I bejour we got s