who [Music] that the pledge allegiance please to the flag of the United States of America to the rep for it one nation indivisible could we have the road call please chairman Matthew coppler here member Todd McClary here member John Eric Hoover here member Denise McKenzie [Music] presid uh first item approval of committee minutes we have both the February 8th and February 29th February febrary 29th it is M motion to approve uh meeting minutes from February 8th and February 29th meeting minutes all those in favor I next uh comments from the general public do we have any comments unlisted we do have one did you sign up anybody please state your name and address for the record though as you recall Dave Mueller 5439 blueo drive this is just an observation um now that I sit in a different position um rather than just in the back of my head I'm just wondering if we could possibly look at relocating the podium for the for the public to speak to the side that would give a face view of of what's going on it's always nice to be able to see people's uh Expressions um and it's just an observation suggestion thank you any other comments the postage I know I know one person's there I can't really tell a second person okay uh moving on comments from city manager and committee members we'll start to my left I have nothing we're moving right along and I have nothing as well uh going to uh the first agenda item comprehensive land use Plan update goals for conservation and Coastal management elements you're joined by Tammy Verana my computer went to sleep turn it over to you all righty [Music] oops Tammy Von Veron Consulting Safety Harbor nice to see you all today good afternoon let me turn this on I think this is working um so today we're going to be continuing our discussion regarding the conservation and Coastal management element of the city's comprehensive plan we are um looking to update this element um specifically and and more generally but we're we're really looking at getting those Peril of flood policies but we're going to look at the entire element as well so but the the focus of what we're doing for the states concern is those Peril of flood policies that we talked about um last time so I put together some existing conditions maps from um a state resource that does in so the city limits that you see sometimes are yours but it does reach into Newport Richie but you know you know where you are located so this is just to give you a sense of what the conservation and Coastal resources are within the city and because Port Richie is a coastal city all your resources are coastal so so this area is kind of a crude map of showing where the recharge areas of the Florida aquafer are so you can see that the areas in purple do have some reach charge potential but the areas more Coastal uh are actually discharge uh types of um conditions so in areas where you have recharge you know there's more of an importance on making sure that the your water is clean that you're not polluting your groundwater and um and also providing opportunities to replenish your groundwater through pervious surfaces I'm sorry Tammy go back so are there two is it two different shades of color there there are two sh oh I don't know what happened to my Legend So This is actually going to be in a data and Analysis document so it'll be you'll have sources and everything dates but yes there um there's a couple of different gradations this actually is um it's a map that was created at the state level to help them to decide what types of like when they're doing land purchases for conservation and they see what all the benefits are so I think it's called clips and I can't tell you what it is right now conservation lands inventory planning or something um so they've created a lot of resource maps that can help cities also see where their uh important natural resources exist go ahead is there a difference Us in terms what the colors are or is just generally well the darker ones would probably well I can't tell you right now because I'm guessing but um I would say that the darker is probably a little less valuable and that the the lighter just because I'm looking at where your category one wetlands are are like um down off of Congress that um or actually I think where the Cody the keys at Cody River are that's a big Wetland area but actually I can check that before the end of the meeting that's the correlation in recharges the higher higher areas or the lighter are probably where the more valuable but I can't tell you overall just looking at the county of as a whole that as you get more Coastal the the value of your recharge gets lower and lower so it's not like Zephyr Hills or some of the places in the middle of the county probably with sorry to ask go ahead um do does that mean though that that those are of a higher level of of protection then because they're they're lesser or I think they're so for higher rates of recharge it would be more valuable to make sure that they continue to maintain that and and there's a whole ride up in this section I could probably uh bore you or interest you but you know when you're a Coastal Community and you're withdrawing water for your portable water and then there's um maybe you're drawing a lot of water out there's a lot of Demand on it maybe we have drought conditions there's opportunity for this they call it like a saltwater wedge to come in and start to penetrate your groundwater supplies which is not good so you know any ways that you can maintain um and certainly it would have to be more scientific than what I'm deci you know you can't just make a policy and and say that this is the blanket situation because nature doesn't you know it's very it varies from place to place but I think that certainly around your wellhe heads and your well fielded protection areas you'd want to make sure that that the recharge potential is still there and also that you're keeping things clean in that area so before before we walk at mine soxy obiously they I can see as you get close to the the bodies of water that's where you don't have the the purple but yet at the it's kind of in the middle lower part where the Cody River bends there it's very close to that that purple area I guess how do they this this is a very crude map you can because it's boxy you know you would have like isops that would probably run along like Geographic boundaries that so this is just a general idea of of where the where the recharge is happening and where the discharge is happening but we can look into more specific Maps uh if that's of interest and you know well I'm just curious I say even at the very bottom that's it's over the top of Cody River you would expect that there there wouldn't be any recharge there it'll be discharged but yeah I don't know and and we can maybe later we can even pull up that GIS map and look at the whole thing so it's online interesting okay so these are surface waters and so these are just um where you can see where you have have Open Water within the community including your Wetland areas these are the subwater sheds so you can see the purple lines so drainage would go within those basins and then you know the uh the lines would demarcate another Basin so these are hydrologic units that just storm water Engineers probably use to know which way the water flows these are the wetlands within the community and these are by type so you can see at the top I can't read it from here on my computer if I got it turned on uh it'll tell you if it's a forested wetland or seagrasses or um I think it might say seagrasses on this one if not we're going to see those in a second I'm going to use my yeah hardwood forest coniferous forest Wetland forested mixed wetland forested mix vegetated nonforested nonvegetated wetlands and Salt Flats with the purple at the bottom is the salt flats this is your 100-year flood flood plane and this is extends out beyond the city as you can see on to the west or to the east this is considered critical natural FL flood plane also for that that land use analysis for you know purchasing of conservation lands but just gives you a sense of the you know the value of those Wetlands or flood Plaines the next are seagrass salt marsh and Mangrove habitats and the Florida mangrove are in the green the seagrasses which are continuous are in the dark purple or pink and the discontinuous are in lighter pink which I don't see much of maybe to the north a little bit salt marshes are in and that that's it so this indicates potential habitat richness so it's indicated by one species or 2 to four so typically it's you know one um species of importance up to maybe like 2 to four that looks like so you're not really up there in the Red Zone where you have 8 to 13 types of um Wildlife is that good or bad pardon is that good or bad where you said the red zone no that's good I mean that's a more Rich environment we don't have those anymore because you know there's been a lot of development in the area but probably back in the day you know when it was were we are we talking about different types of species or different types of species bird Birds Bears you know snakes uh lizards all kinds of things these are the species of special concern so that's actually a a designation at the state level and so they aren't threatened species but they are Species of special concern so kind of teetering on the edge of being a threatened species so you have your um Eagle nests which the big the big pink circle I believe that is uh that's an eagle nest that's a actually that's a wood store Nest area but in that there is an eagle I think there's an eagle in there blue BS the eag there's one in boy Warner y and then um out in the water you see sea turtle strandings so that's where I guess somebody has called in and a sea turtle has been in distress so they're at least there to and then uh the pink with the manate are the manate mortality locations and interesting because we uh one of the council meetings we we had talked about uh possible lighting ordinance and around sea turtles and whatnot and there was well it may not maybe they're not nesting right perhaps they're just out there floating around but they're not necessarily coming ashore like they would on a soft sand beach but but I don't know you know I'm not an expert in that that particular area have you seen yeah oh wow yeah that's what it shows it shows there some stranded ones in there that were reported anyway even strandings strandings strandings I guess well I guess they could be hurt or something I don't know it looks like they're up on the shore if you look where the dots are they're up on the shore yeah uh these are rare species habitat priorities so the the very very darkest would be the highest priority down to the lighter Pink as as lesser priority so it looks like you in your in your more pristine coastal areas they're more high priority of course looks like the category one Wetland over there to the east is looks like it's maybe of category or priority five this is essential fish habitat and so the The Legend shows I guess those are like the life stages of the fish so that what sort of habitat is important for that particular uh aspect of the life cycle looks like the neonate life stage is the green that that we see a lot of and the yellow is the juvenile adult life stage [Music] and these are the soil characteristics in the city so they show the level of drainage so excessive being sort of that lime green I guess what you see mostly is moderately well- drained which is that sort of teal color throughout most of the city the purple is somewhat poor so those would probably be h soils that are more like Wetlands so they're not they're nice and juicy already so they're not necessarily draining well call those hydric soils and then um looks like the peach area is very poor and then over to the right to the east side you'll see the well area I didn't noticed that before that must be your is that City walls City W side over there yeah down to the kind of the southeast East there oh at the bottom not at the top they we're down at the bottom what's that light green up towards the the top right oh is it well we do have wellfields here by City Hall that cityall I can't really tell the the lines yeah it's outside the city I think or some of it's in the city okay so this are these are cultural resources that have been inventoried by the state historic preservation office and for what probably when US1 19 was being improved they send out a crew that looks at all the resources to see if anything could potentially be impacted so it doesn't necessarily mean that they have a special protection status but they are either historic or eligible to be designated historic I think last time I recall when we were doing the comp plan maybe in the 90s there was uh some areas over on the east side of US1 19 by the river that had like maybe an old post office or church does that ring any bells there was an old structure that was over there but um probably in whoops in that F that concentration that you see just north of the river uh around us9 this is just your existing land use so it's just generalized categories from the Property Appraiser's office so yellow residential the red would be some form of commercial um let's see what else they've got here industrial is kind of pink institutional is a purpley color so just if we have any questions we I mean and you know essentially what's out there from living here and this is the coastal High Hazard area so this is the area that's subject to inundation with a category one hurricane and this is measured by the slos model this can't tell you what it is right now that's acronym is slos and this is of course larger than the the city but I think I'm not sure where I got this map but it didn't have city limits so you can see the line share of the city is in the coastal high high Hazard area which is a state state designation and then these are the two evacuation routes US1 19 and Ridge Road and I and I think that's it for if there's any and I'll we'll share these slides with you and if there's anything that you feel is like missing or you want to see more we can find that data and and bring that into the mix so kind of what the cruxs of today's this is just a little bit of background to get you warmed up so we're going to think about the the goals for the conservation and Coastal management element um I had sent over a sheet like a worksheet for you that indicated my ideas for five goals right now you have two goals one for conservation one for Coastal management and because your conservation is all within a coastal zone we figured we' just go ahead and merge those so we have five five different goals so it's and the subject matter is natural and cultural resources Co the second goal is Coastal resilience related three is emergency preparedness and evacuation four is post disaster Redevelopment and the fifth one is community engagement so there would be five goals this time for this entire um element so let's go back so for the first one and I just you know if you had a chance to read it that'd be great if you could Pro you know provide some feedback if you think that it's comprehensive enough these are goals so those are what you're going to Aspire to do um and there for a long period of time and in the sense of a comprehensive plan relative to Coastal and conservation management it's not really like you have a time frame you know you're just you're going to be continuously working on these things so our goal is to protect the natural environment conserve natural resources Safeguard cultural Assets in the city to support the ecological recreational economic educational and social benefits these resources offer so it's really a big envelope and then from there we would identify OB that would be more action oriented and policies to support that anybody have any thoughts on this one right now and also I thought as we're if you think in terms of overall Sor to think overall what is it that we want to preserve in our community relative to Coastal and conservation conservation and Coastal management what do we want to improve and what would we'd like to attract or you know have in the you know bring to the city or create in the city in the future so just these are just kind of framing so it doesn't we're not going to go in any particular order but if you have comments I'm just going to take them and I'll make organization and sense of them um at another time but does anybody have any thoughts about this one this is really about the natural environment and the cultural resources um in the city it's not really it's protection from land juuse but not the um not the land juices themselves so for instance okay asking for instance what what what are you trying to pull out this well it does it is it sound do you think that I think it's okay so okay and the some of the things that oh I must have put that in the wrong place these are some of the um topics that we would discuss under this sensitive lands and water portable water resources air quality energy resources cultural resources oh and there are water dependent land uses I I meant to I was wrong on that one okay let's go to the next one oh go ahead I mean one comment I had maybe what although we don't have a significant amount of you know natural animal plants that sort of thing maybe we integrate that some way as well so we can protect the turtle species and and that I mean it kind of falls under all of those and it doesn't well I don't see habitat on there so I think that's and so that's probably something that we want to improve or preserve both yeah okay so we can attract more well I'm I'm I'll write these down in a second a lot of our selling points is the man the Dolphins everyone that everyone sees so we should definitely try to preserve and improve so habitat protection and enhancement we'll truncate that a little bit there so okay I need a little stand here okay so the the next one is Coastal resilience and this States our goal is to minimize property and environmental damage from natural disasters sea level rise and climate stressors to promote sustainable Community Development and ensure the well-being of all community members through resilient infrastructure adaptive policies and inclusive engagement and this is really related more so to property because we're going to talk more about life in the next one so this is you know what can we do to protect not only our private property but also the the habitat the um the environmental features from you know being being being uh destroyed in natural disasters and a lot of times with with nature it's just letting nature do its thing so it kind of protects itself and it protects us at the same time but this is intended to really speak to to property and the environment the one comment I had on this is maybe promote environmental sustain sustainable Community Development okay kind of King off of let nature help protect us but yep and the other comment I had to this is maybe minimize and mitigate I'm not sure mitigate should be in there but you know conceptually we want to do the developments to one minimize but also have that mitigation to when it does happen yep okay it's good any other thoughts on minimizing property damage and damage to the environment so and again this is a little bit of a conflict that you said the next one's identified to the people this is more the property well only because the other one deal you know we always want to say life is important too so the other one is really preparedness so that people either they're PR preparing their properties so that they're um they're safe during storms or they're evacuating they're going to a shelter that sort of thing but if you had a thought you know send it you know put it out there because it might we can rework things they're not set in stone not yet the only reason I'm saying is to ensure the well-being of all community members but we're kind of attacking that in the next one so the well-being the well-being of all community members think about disasters in terms of when there's a lot of disruption you know not only people are they may be cast to the winds right there's someplace else uh the businesses are down they're not you know a lot of bad things happened during disaster ERS that kind of relate to people's properties they can't come back um just you know there's so that's more of like and and also when it says all community members it's really thinking about the city as a whole so that you know when you're allocating resources that you're making sure that um you're allocating them equitably and where where it's needed and considering everybody's situation would you add wellbe and safe or is that kind of built separate things um well let's let's go ahead and add it down and let's look at the next one and see if if what makes sense but safety is certainly safety's number one correct okay let's look at the next one let's let's see what the objectives are here so assessment and mapping so you know what's happening over time um planning for your public infrastructure so it's not damaged not using natural ecosystem services for protecting um property from flooding having land planning and regulations that as you develop and redevelop that you're you're actually um you know removing prop or getting properties out of Harm's Way uh of course that same thing with your building standards you know having Partnerships at the local and state level to uh help solve problems in in a regional perspective and then risk financing and insurance so making sure that um you're you're keeping a good standing with the national flood insurance program CRS program and then just monitoring and evaluation over time maybe protection and wellbeing because you're kind of protecting through the building standards you know it's the um structures that can mitigate the 200 mph winds the the 15t floods you said protection protection and wellbe of the community members okay because then that kind of also Encompass safety too that's probably that's probably a better term actually I hear you or wellbeing and protection something to add no I said that that instead of safety use the protection okay I hope I don't get blue marker on my face that happens sometimes these are just the parallel flood I those are from our last meeting so I'm just going to move through those so this is the third one emergency preparedness and evacuation so our goal is to safeguard lives from natural disasters through proactive emergency planning and decision-making and safe evacuation of the coastal population when [Music] necessary that one's pretty simple I think but any any thoughts the only thing again maybe just to kind of intertwine the two and maybe it's intertwining them too much Safeguard lives and property from natural diss through emergency proactive planning procedures blah blah blah blah blah getting your cars out of the driveway and into across 19 and and so it's protecting both life and property just from two two different means yep property is is something that could be moved out of Harm's Way or and the insurance company will love it because you're trying to protect their yep and mitigate their claims any other thoughts on that one okay the next one is should there ever be a disaster which hopefully there will not be um the goal is to proactively prepare for and efficiently manage post- disaster recovery and Redevelopment focusing on reducing future vulnerabilities and increasing Community resilience so this is when you're in that that phase after disaster when you got to get building permits quickly so people can get back into their homes but there's always that fine line of how much do you allow to be quickly put on the ground versus having you know sound building practices and that sort know it's really kind of a balancing act in that regard so I think that's what we'll spend some time on is you know this is probably a very important one um so you're prepared afterward and you have like a plan of action as to how you're going to be issuing building permits and also what sort of changes so you may have an area that's very vulnerable right now and maybe there's an opportunity for redeveloping that so how do you redevelop it so it's and and I know you guys have worked on these with structures that have been damaged in storms and you know through working with FEMA and the community um the national flood insurance program to elevate Properties or Harden properties and the topics are repairs and Redevelopment and then also um how do you how are you spending money on Public public infrastructure so are you taking that opportunity to harden your facilities or put them in different locations um when when things need to be you know completely replaced or significantly replaced and the last one is community engagement which really runs through the entire plan but it's very important relative to um Community resilience so our goal is to actively engage with the community through I'm sorry I'm standing in front of you I just realized that sorry um through five too right yes it's five sorry I didn't finish that our goal is to actively engage with the community Through diverse and inclusive methods to foster a city-wide culture of resiliency emergency preparedness and environmental stewardship to achieve measurable improvements relative to the city's conservation and Coastal management objectives so this is really getting everybody on board so everybody has some level of personal or organizational actions that they could do to help kind of move that move the city forward in its resiliency goals and objectives any thoughts on that one and this would be all encompassing so it's overall Coastal management disaster preparedness you know resilient practices and also preserving and enhancing your environmental areas and wildlife habitats and things like that so this is really kind of an overarching goal for the entire element the only I item I had to this was in some fashion work in prevention um so preventing you know it aligns with preparedness emergency preparedness but what can we do to prevent further impacts and and I'm not I I was struggling with the wording myself yeah yeah well the concept of it so it's it's it's preventing well there's preparedness like I said but there are those preparedness and then there's prevention of damage and and that sort of thing you can prepare and and you know evacuate but to prevent further damage and I was struggling how to word it so that's why I'm fumbling somewhat negative impacts so yeah is that preventing further damage to the time or preventing further damage from you know to the environment that we've already done of um negative impacts due to storms and and how how do you work in that concept of yes we can do these four items but how do we you know prevent the damage we've already done or prevent you know the impacts of a storm hitting like for instance half the residential houses in Port Richie are one story ranches in a flood zone M you get a Category 3 coming through here all of those are going completely underwater so what can we do to prevent yes we can prepare we can board them up but they're going to get destroyed when the storm comes right right right how do we prevent that from happening you know well you can you you can't you absolutely can you can raise them well one of the things that you can prevent uh and we've talked about a little bit is thinking about uh living shorelines so living shorel lines they absorb wave so it yeah it absorbs the wind action you know kind of helps to deal with some of the water and keeps things from washing away so that although you're you don't have like a coastline did you see that there was some Coastline in Massachusetts that they spent a lot of money on Sand renourishment and it like washed away in 90 minutes like it was just something happened and it was like all that money was gone but those are coastlines that are very vertical so okay I get what you're saying so let me work on that one you could probably just throw prevention right emergency prevention okay okay we've got that on the record so I don't need to like squeeze it on my page though okay well we'll keep this in here right now and we'll see what comes up next so it's Community awareness Community engagement collaborative partners and then communication channels so I don't want to go to that just yet but it's kind of thinking about specific things so what's important to the community relative to Coastal um Coastal management and conservation you know what are things that you specifically like what are specific things that you'd like to preserve or protect or to improve or or attract is there any ideas almost like what you were doing with your your visioning I think or your goal setting and maybe some things came out of that that we can incorporate into this but you know is there anything that you see that might be um in need of some enhancement to make it function better uh ecologically or I know council's Council this Council and previous councils forever have been struggling with the infrastructure and you know piping Etc how do we integrate that with our Coastal uh protections plans and that sort of thing so you know I know they want to improve the infrastructure overall be it roads be it uh storm water um runoff and storm water piping that definitely ties in with these goals H water quality oh water quality yeah everyone wants to well and you know again some of that is improving the water quality for the uh surrounding habitats areas and that actually then attracts more tourists more uh you know higher end homes or whatever else because you have that beauty and that ties into preserving your environment so it it all kind of weaves together because the the storm water runoff again a lot of the pollutants from the storm water runoff dumps right into the estuaries which it makes me think of you know the potential for an RV park off of that Wetland that you want to make sure that that Wetland is high quality it's not polluted over time because that's going to be an asset to tourists who come to your city and you know they don't want to be on a a lake that's covered in I hope it's not covered in uh lily pads and things right now but you know it's it's you you want to keep preserve that quality okay so storm water Environmental Quality infrastructure hey one thing that um I remember back in the day regarding the river that there was a committee that met supposedly for the river and I know the state had done some water quality studies on the river and found different kinds of things so there was an interest in kind of countywide because you know the river starts way over in East Pasco and collects a lot of stuff before it gets over here but there used to be a committee and I don't know that anybody does anybody still meet regarding the river and water quality no I do know inis County when they you do the designs for their storm water runoff they have a book that's this thick of the requirements that you have to maintain in order to build their literally build an a storm Inlet because they are that uh particular about the quality that goes in of the water that goes into their storm runoff system we just kind of dump it in and call it a day um they are much more uh stringent to that I'm sorry that's just our own little cityco all that's right that's right so maybe it's just worth refreshing that policy that's in the comprehensive plan and maybe seeing that there's some interest from some of the other entities and and you know having a sense of what you could do um you know I know in some places they do those filters where they pick up a lot of the solid waste that's floating around I don't know how that works in a river um I know that with the river that you can do the um the living Shoreline treatment that's also improves water quality not only from protecting you from storms and that can be done along the river as well so that might be that's one of the things you know is we're looking at uh code on seaw walls and maintaining seaw walls I had this conversation with City attorney and our building official that and there there doesn't I don't know if if our City attorney spoken to you about this but you know I know in other areas in Michigan for instance you know there's other options than than steel or concrete to do a seaw wall and and again you know living Shoreline concept through that so people that you know maybe don't want to have a boat but are on a canal or along the river you know I don't have to put that the steel or excuse me the steel or the concrete there's another option right trying to make sure that those options are known to people that that want to do that yeah because people may not realize that there's anything else that you can do yeah just might see this is a Harden Shoreline and I need to just replace my seaw wall y so okay also would would um and I just don't remember in looking through this but from the sampoint of trees you know preserving canopy gets a little hot down here I think Le I've Been Told but I just I don't remember within the comprehensive plan if it really got into that I think your code could probably be looked at your tree protection ordinance and you know according to what it is that you want to preserve I know that a lot of communities they've been kind of chugging along and growing and they start then they start to hear from people hey we're losing too many trees so what what can we do to protect the ones that we want to protect the bigger the bigger ones I know I think in your code you you only protect the ones that are like within a certain distance from the property line when sometimes there can be things moved around a little bit to Pro you know you see some really big trees come down and um well I see them on a on a plan I don't actually like see them but but um but there there's a lot of and then also are you getting enough into your tree fund to I know that in the city of Safety Harbor where I live they're looking at what they're collecting uh for the payment in lie of saving the tree to see what those um what those figures should be I was just going to queue in on that a lot of municipalities they have a caliber restriction so if it's over a 6inch caliber tree you can't be taken down right unless you pay into the tree fund to then take that tree down and you know it ranges some of them are very minor some of them are pretty substantial Tampa I think is pretty and it also goes on the caliber so for instance if it's over 6 in but you have a a a tree that is actually a foot and a half in diameter that is a pretty hefty you know I won't say fine but I'll say feed call it whatever you want to take down that tree and the idea is that it then go the the funds then go into a conservation so they can plant trees on public L you know for in I'll use a for instance across from olar that parcel put a bunch of trees there and start building that back in and bring it back to Natural or you know the wellfield they're kind of wooded anyway but um that sort of thing and that's the idea so you start building back some of that natural habitat um in some cities like Tampa you got a certain size tree you can build your entire building around that tree and then you can put the same size tree back when you're done and that's the way they've clamped down to such a degree that it because they've Let It Go for so long and there's no trees and you know speaking of you mentioned storm water you know the runoff potential is lessened a lot when you've got tree canopy anything that you can do to slow that rate of of the water heading out to its uh receiving bodies is something that can help with flooding and and kind of along the lines of the living Shoreline uh in your adaptation plan it talks a lot about green infrastructure so things like bios swells or rain Gardens or things that um create sponges so you really want to have a lot of sponge area in your community instead of hard surfaces that things just run off and and they they pick up pollutants and it's so fast and all of a sudden it's in the places that you don't want the SE up and there's things What's called the heat island effect so for like in a Walmart right now they essentially have no trees no canopy in there um but they have a large heat sink of the asphalt that the sun just heats up yeah yet you know so for instance for the uh offsetting uh cost for cutting down trees you have that fund you then go to Walmart say tell you what Walmart we'll pay for trees in your islands and let the trees grow then grow within the islands out of that fund and then that starts knocking off some of the heat island effect or if should Walmart ever redevelop a lot of things that pelis does is okay well if you modify more than a certain percentage of your building you now have to bring your entire site plan up to current code which would include clude trees and everything else and that's part of the development but they're they're very specific and and their codes are up today as much as I hate working there they got their ship one of the one of the aspects of of heat heat island effect um in addition just to being bad for Community Health because some people don't have air conditioning and it's really hard for workers but um your water demand because when it's hot the grass is dry it starts to brown people use more water there's less water it's a real it's a vicious cycle so if we can create opportunities to reduce the heat island effect and you know I noticed there was a yesterday there was you could type in your zip code and you could see what the since 2012 what the change in the temperature is that would affect your growing zone so I'm I'm a gardener so I was like looking at that so I looked I looked at Port Richie I looked at Austin where my daughter is and both those PL in Newport Richie have increased by 5 degrees and so you're actually moved up one/ half zone so whatever growing zone you're in now you're like now you can grow probably you probably don't have a chance of maybe a mango getting frozen out or um but it's just showing how things are hotter in some area now Safety Harbor I don't know why where I live there was no change we do have a lot of trees um but we've also cut down a lot of trees so I the the other thing with the treat therapy and protection of that is the potential for the salt water intrusion yes because I mean they we you know in winow park um we probably lost a couple trees there because there was always a lot of salt water laying around for time on end so those those species were not they couldn't live in that environment is that I know that there's special protection for the long leaf pine is there does anybody have back history on that like if you're a long leaf pine I knew they history it yeah so P or the LI certain calary State protection yeah takes an act of God to knock them down I think if you're in the middle of the site though I think it can come down here not only do they well I mean I've had developments not only do they protect the the oak itself they actually protect the put perious uh yeah perious asphalt around it to make sure that it gets it like the parking areas parking areas make sure it gets its proper amount of water what does anybody know about this pervious pavement and how it's functioning is it is it working out it's just five times more expensive than your standard pavement oh so well I guess if you're only using it in zones right yeah and and that's usually what they do they usually restrict it so if you're trying to protect certain areas or you're trying to get an offsetting for your hardscapes because you have a certain amount of hardscapes you can do you can sometimes offset that with pervious pavement does that stuff last as long as regular pavement or um I know you have to you have to vacuum it right it's good no has to be vacuumed I think yeah it's got all kinds of criteria we use it so sparingly because it's so expensive it's got maintenance it doesn't last as long so most people try to work around it so you don't have to use it and typically within parking lots they have standards for Islands so the tree has to be in a space but if you're in a downtown area and you don't have a lot of sidewalk space I know they they use them in in those applications and also the um silver cells Sil cells for the trees within the sidewalk area we use them a lot kind of creates a Hab in a hospitable hospitable environment for the tree roots okay um when you want to talk about wetlands and your map sure so I guess there is not I guess there there is uh stipulations within land the comprehensive plan regarding category 1 Category 2 and Category 3 Wetlands Matt did you say you had a map of that are you looking that up what is this from Pasco County yeah I know that the county does delineate one two and three Wetlands but I didn't know if they did the city or not yeah because the red are three I think I'm not mistaken the only reason I brought it up is it was in the technical document it was referencing to it but then there was no reference yeah we should point to it in the in the well the within the comp plan they have uh descriptions so it's like less than five acres or greater greater than 40 acres or 40 acres and they broke it down and basically if it's 40 acres and this and then if it's not is 40 acre between five and 40 acres is this and then under five acres is this and you described the great and I said look at the map and I said Matt where's the map and it's like I don't know where the map is yeah I looked in the I looked at the state the state um where they keep all the documents and I couldn't find the map series they're old Maps but not any of the more recent ones has all kinds of criteria that you have to redo the surveys before when each development must include for review which category it falls in and all this other wonderful stuff and so well how did we do developments one of the things that I'd like you to uh a task I'd like you to take on as I don't know if you've had a well obviously you've started or have read the element so um if everybody has a copy of the comprehensive plan to go through the coastal and conservation excuse me the conservation Coastal management element and look at those policies I think a lot of them could be better served by being in your Land Development code it could come out we've typically the comprehensive plan indicates what the the community's vision is what the things they want to do and may maybe it says establish regulations that protect the trees better well when you do that you know you don't necessarily have to have a lot of standards in your comp because a complain might say do a b and c to protect the tree but once you put that in your L development code it doesn't need to be in the comp plan anymore so it's not it's just a place for you to remember that it needs to be done once you've checked it off the list it can come out unless the state requires certain things to be in there like you know it has you have to have the definition for Coastal High Hazard area you have to have density intensity relative to your land uses there are some things that they want to see but otherwise you know this is your plan and then you execute your plan and do whatever it is that you said you can do and you can move those things out so if you were were to go through that you know maybe Circle the ones that you you think are really good that we need to preserve those again with the what to preserve what to improve um and what to attract you can kind of use that filter when you're going through those and maybe come back next time and we can discuss which ones to jettison which ones to update bring up to up to date um and then what else to include to address the way the the conditions of the community right now and the results of your studies and plans and things that you've been working on so I think that's all that I have relative to this I have another question on that one for you on your board um from the perspective you know having talked about our liing code um would this be a proper to talk about you know dark skies and yes that type it's environmental preservation yeah and the in fact there's a lot of there's a lot of research out right now about the impacts just on our pollinators our bats the the different small species that kind of keep a lot of the ecosystems healthy um they're they're very affected by um nighttime light and so if we can just point that light down there's um there's a community over you know where grov land is m is that's on the way to is 50 is this 50 so it's a small community I think they've been growing a lot but I've been seeing them more in like the planning Publications and whatnot and they have a a dark sky ordinance and I was like wow just a small city has this but I think they're they're probably growing a lot and there's getting pressure um a lot of a lot of cities are going dark skies or El yeah so um so not only from the environmental perspective or from the wildlife but also just people so you know as people get a little closer in you just that light trespass becomes more important because you know your neighbor keeps a flood light on all night and it's like shining in your bedroom window and it makes Matt get phone calls I'm sure that or you could in the future a lot of cities have it if if that light leaves your property line you are taking it down or removing it yeah you're getting very strict with it yeah so if you if you're curious as to what those would include the city of Groveland and their code um has done something recently and I think they were received an award um at some state level for doing that so let's put that on the list because I think right now you only have light standards for subdivisions yeah and a lot of communities require a photometric survey is that what it's called photometric um when you're doing your um development review process yeah not only that they they do the photometrics and they walk again at night and if they don't care what the photometrics survey says if they see a light you're still done yeah and you're putting on Shields and everything else at least there's the shields right yeah you can turn the that hard it's cheap to do yeah it's just you're putting shields on the fixtures it's not that hard to do I think the issue is is cost because you know a property owner will come in and they'll want to do less like poles so they make them higher and then they sh spread out and then chances are somebody's having to look into a light bulb somewhere a lot of them they also limit the height of the pole so you get so they'll they'll restrict the pole to 24 foot and that's it so you and then you have to get the certain density because they'll have also have the minimum light requirements too for instance in a in a retail establishment of a half a foot candle or whatever averaged across and then they limit the height of the PO so then you have to put more poles in to still get that half a foot candle but then it can't also leave the site either so there's a lot of uh engineering that goes into it that makes me think of too um probably before Matt came on uh we had Swift Mud come over and do a presentation to the city manager regarding their Florida water star program and that's something that you can actually put into your code that new development that comes in um has certain standards and I think there's actually funding there may be funding I'm not certain from Swift Mud for new new development that's putting stuff into and that's for like you create zones in the Landscaping you do micro M micro irrigation Iration to reduce water usage and um thinking about your plant species so maybe St Augustine in the front yard but not in the backyard or that sort of thing but that's that's a good program the city of Zephyr Hills adopted that this past year when they ran into some water issues another thing that I recalling in the conservation element also in your public infrastructure element you need to address a 10-year water supply plan so to look at how much you're grow like where you are now how much you're projected to grow how much water that you have under your water use permit and is there going to be enough so that's a just sort of an accounting process and part of that is conservation so when you can say you've got these conservation programs it goes a long way to not just getting good favor from the agencies but also just stretching your your water supply so Matt's head's spinning over there he's like oh I got so much just ging me more work he's good okay so let's put water conservation anybody else I I'm doing all the talking here I guess do you want to ask the audience if they have any uh ideas you've already asked does anybody have any ideas relative to conservation or Coastal management do you need a address and all that stuff hi Goin 5446 bluepoint Drive uh we live in the Pacific Northwest even though there's a lot of rain and water and stuff up there they have already started to uh restrict any lawn irrigation on a daily basis and uh I expect to see more of it you know up there anyway and then when we lived in the Scottdale Arizona area um you all but had to get a special permit to go down and get um permission to put in a lawn they wanted zero es scaping so that means a lot of crushed gravel you know in your front yard and your backyard you could have trees but they just didn't want lawn irrigation because that's what really sucks the wells dry thanks yourg commodity 20 years dve M 5439 blueo drive I'm going to stand over here um one of the things that you brought up was about the emergency preparedness and I know when we went through the this last U flood in um Adelia three uh the end of or beginning of end of August uh it affected a lot of folks but what more importantly what it did it brought a lot of people together uh and everybody chipped in and helped their neighbors and stuff so would it behoove us to to put together some kind of an action plan where we get to maybe maybe better understand who is in you know a different need than myself for example I know we got people that aren't as mobile and they might need different kind of help uh especially if it's an evacuation process and people choose to stay so along with that um and I'm just thinking about you know what we used to do in our neighborhood we we had these block captains and every street had one so you knew everybody's name and number and were able to contact them uh so is that something that we could do to help alert and check and check on the health of people in a way that would uh be able to render support uh in an emergency and then there more more importantly afterwards to be able to address well who's missing and is there issues and making effort I I know the the fire department and police department try to do that to some degree but when when they're parked out at the high end of The Watermark and not coming through the streets um you got people in airboats running through and and you know they're making bigger problems uh creating wakes uh you know all those streets are no wake zones and they're running the Airboat through it's it's at that point in time it doesn't help um one of the thing you mentioned about living Shoreline I know there's an awful lot of money uh in the in the way of Grants to establish um opportunities like that and one individual that I've been been communicating with uh they're looking at potentially trying to develop some kind of Barrier island effect that would in effect knock some of that um storm surge down if you will uh something similar to and this is much bigger project certainly than our neighborhood but essentially they've identified the whole coast of Pasco County pretty much as you know a threat area because it doesn't have any uh Barrier Islands Beyond Anclote just that little tip down at the the southern end all the way up and you know if they could take advantage of some of that funding and be able to address um doing something to create a bearer Island to create some of the uh uh water storm surge that would certainly assist with our community one more one more Cynthia M 5446 blueo drive one thing also um is coming from the Pacific Northwest they made people responsible for their storm runoff drains and I have asked the fire chief and other people is they're not something that we can't put to keep some of the oils and different things running off into our canals and to keep a cleaner cleaner water um several years ago we did have some uh seahorses come up but we have not had seahorses since then and um and that is something that you you report to the state when you see them so because they're trying to reestablish and track them so that's one of the things that um you know we really need to watch I know that especially like on our Canal we get a lot of debris oil and stuff that comes up with the tide and stays up in there and I actually have um video of manatees eating oil Leen grass sea grass so we need to we want to this to be a pristine place we need to protect our waterways therefore we need to figure out ways to stop this thank you any comments okay okay um does anybody else have any any thoughts at this point I know you probably have other things on the agenda don't you oh no no no you're in oh okay I was like worried because like um well I was going to headed further the conversation that we had regarding um the uh the I guess the coverage areas on lot hard hard surfaces uh maximum building coverage or impervious surface R yeah versus nonous I mean I think that's that's also something as we go down the road we we're going to have to get a better handle on especially as it relates to the storm water um so some impious coverage and their slow area ratio right so typically impervious surface ratio is something that's handled in the comp plan and then building coverage is something that's in the Land Development code so they kind of work together I was struggling for the word impervious even though I wrote it down here surface ratio the ISR and you do have one yeah I was going to say we have one in the recreation open space element yeah only there wow you guys are backwards well that's I think and and there's ways to help incentivize that you know and you know I think our our storm water management fees are are quite low compared to other places I've been um and that also then helped us to incentivize people to start doing you thinking about replacement of Hardscape and and looking at doing you know rain Garden and all these other things that help you know reduce that storm water runoff well I will say a lot of places have a cap you know depending on what the zoning usage is that you're only allowed 40% coverage or 60% coverage or whatever it is no matter what so you want a new house that's great you're locked in so your driveway plus your your uh you have to make choices yeah and you are capped at that so you either get a twostory you get a smaller house you do whatever you want to do and if you're over that then your driveway is now going to be a gravel driveway and that's how you get there and there is no if sand or buts or incentives other ways it's no it's a standard yeah it's it's a yes you pass or no you don't pass that's it and that's where you know some of the larger properties have a benefit because they can do more with it right or people buy two lots you know combine them and then that that sits there and it actually preserves part of the open space because you can only then do so much that gives you know it's part of your trees and and everything else and it builds on that and that's why they're so strict with it I didn't realize we were we had nothing better hurry up start covering over some [Laughter] Lots Okay so we've talked about water quality storm water runoff we've talked about um water quantity so conservation of your water supplies um looking at some ways to maybe protect the coastal areas from from um storm surge and and wind um let's see what else tree protection regulations heat island effect you know making sure that your Environmental Quality is is uh good so that you continue to attract residents and tourism another one you could add in there is noise potion well that reminded me of it but outside of that is noise pollution and and you know some of that is carried right now in your code but you know one you have the Route 19 noise pollution and the traffic noise pollution but you also have other pollutions too so um how would you address is there a way to address that noise pollution in like for us 19 because tell me how I would like to know yeah unfortunately 19 it's the state so you don't have a lot of um leeway with that but for instance you know we have a lot of restaurants and bars and I know there's always been some back and forth as to where that is we we're kind of addressing it now but it's probably not a bad idea to include it just [Music] so air quality are there any air quality issues I I did look yeah um I I did look to see what was going on regionally I know that they they do some measurements from the Tampa Bay Area um whoops um oh you do it didn't seem like there was a big I mean I guess things blow off it's not like we're in a canyon or anything but but you could have like localized areas that have air quality issues like intersect certain intersections yeah but I don't know if what your experience has been is does anybody ever called to complain about air quality any sort of emissions or dust or anything like that that floats off of a a use the only time you really get any complaints that I'm aware of it's more of a concern is when they do their Burns you know true prescrib Burns yeah I've had a couple dust complaints from prescribed Burns yeah just as a stirred up during development work or whatever in mosquito spray there's energy resources so is there any thoughts in energy conservation meas measures in the community um opportunities for homeowners to I guess the state has the grant program for Windows and yeah the state has a grant program commercially there's minimum state requirements for energy conservation in all buildings so I mean I'm not sure politically if this city would want to promote electric vehicles or anything of that need nature um my guess would be no just knowing the even the council aside just knowing the political base of of the city so so land your land uses can become more energy efficient the transportation sector takes I think it's the second greatest user of energy uh overall you know trucks and all that sort of thing but you could have interventions over time where you connect neighborhoods and put in sidewalks and make it to where people can walk you know or bike that could be towards that strategy I think the closest we ever get is golf carts well that's I mean that's a less uh energy using vehicle right okay let's um let's hold off and talk about water dependent land uses uh next time that's probably a more ripe discussion of you know what are your water dependent land uses and are you what measures are you taking to make sure that you preserve those uses that you want to maintain uh and also you know the um access to parks on the waterfront Waterfront access is a big aspect of the state statutes as well but you you have covenants and things on your parks that require access by the public to the the Waterfront don't you have well yeah yes would that be here or would that be under the it's actually in here because of the coastal management okay because in some cases there are there are beaches that don't allow people on the beach and so there has to be a like whenever there's a a need for beach renourishment sometimes the property owners have to sign papers that say that there needs to be Public Access and sometimes there's a bit of push back it's like do we want the money or do we want the people in our backyard so um depend which city it is they say no we'll pay for it ourselves but I know that you have access to your Waterfront and newers locations so I think that that is all we'll just with the coming up next slides is the just continuing with this comp plan update which includes this element um again we're July 6th is our submitt dead line and I think another big push aside from this one is the water supply facilities work plan so that 10-year plan otherwise the rest of the tweaks are I think are just tweaks to the comp plan and you guys have that letter right that was written to the state in 2021 that that identifies Those comp plan Amendment needs I have it I don't think they have it but uh well the I I think your uh your scope of services may have covered that I can't remember if don't have my phone oh it probably is listed in there yeah I thought I thought so but we'll get it out to everyone nonetheless and that would conclude our brainstorming for today so I appreciate your all your input and ideas I will um I think what I'll do next time is to actually put the objectives together and start populating or at least placeholders for the policies if you could take a look at the conservation and Coastal management element and just kind of circle the ones that you really like I think we start over we just scratch a big X through it and then we carry over whatever we think is worth keeping or improving um because it'll be daunting if we start to do strike through and underline on that such an old and that's my recommendation anyway works for [Music] me he kind from the public top Dave Miller 5439 Blue Point Drive uh I I just want to know if this presentation will be made available to the residents um I thought it was it's on YouTube huh last meeting was on YouTube last meeting was on on YouTube the presentation oh I'm sorry I thought you meant the hard copy how's that sound yeah we can we can definitely put it up on the website Point hopefully thank you definitely any other comment on this topic then real quick we can under General updates and discuss land use plan so the other uh project we have going on is going to be the Imagine Cody Riv yes I don't know if you've given any more thought on proceeding with that oh Next Step sorry so the only thing that um and I don't know if you had a chance to look at the revised one because I was off a week on when the city commission or city council meeting was so I sent you an update based on just the comments just reinforcing what comments you had made last time um extending that task two when we have the survey on the street making sure that we have the comp plan not the comp plan the uh website up early and then also carried through that whole and I think I had proposed maybe eight weeks instead of six weeks okay in that area and then I pushed out because of of course we're already we're close to April so I think I had a starting in April or April 15th so I know it takes time to get paperwork and everything taken care of so okay have to take a look at that yeah it just so was I think it came on Monday and what I did was I just put any changes in red okay not very many but just a couple things just to it wasn't like substantive the changes were just I think the only thing oh and um for I did the schedule as well I kind of out those dates okay I'll take that but just let us know when I guess we probably have to um well we have a contract already so I just have to work with SS to get a contract and bring them on as a sub go before Council already yes yeah okay any questions on that any other business none I I guess our next meeting is it okay to keep on the two week schedule by me two weeks 2 oh that one's not good for me yeah oh that's the planning and zoning and then planning and zoning so then the next would be the the fourth in the morning the 4th well not for me I mean you can have it but not for me April 4th April 4S at six so it wouldn't be depending on how they could take over afterwards yeah yeah April 4th schedule's not updating for some reason but we'll say April 4th okay let tentatively plan April 4th and if you have an issue let me know we'll change that and I'll try to get something to you a week beforehand at least appreciate that I got an extra week this time yes so hey if there's nothing else we will stand dirt