for R call please chairman Matthew copper here member John ER coou here member Denise McKenzie pres member Todd McClary let the record show that member Todd McClary is absent from today's meeting we don't have any minutes today do we no minutes today really that's too bad uh comments from the general public I see none have signed up so we will move on on from there blessers okay thank you uh comments from uh the board and city manager I have none start Denise have any none none none nobody has any comments so we'll move right to the agenda number one uh we'll start with the comprehensive land land use Plan update and we're going to call in the planner Tammy ver Verana Consulting and it is called a comprehensive plan comprehensive L's plan is something that you guys came up with but it's a comprehensive plan so um just for clarification so uh just to refresh everybody we have been working on the update of the conservation and Coastal management element that included five new goals of OB objectives and also policies so the remaining goal that we have to address is goal number five which is community and partner engagement and the goal is to actively involve our community and partners in learning about and addressing issues related to conservation and Coastal management to foster a culture of preparedness resiliency and sustainability and there are two objectives under this goal uh the first one 5.1 relates to engaging with the community and the second one is relat to engaging with Community Partners and so um these are are new so in the past we've had some policies that were existing in your comprehensive plan that we moved over or we modified slightly but in this particular case it's a whole new set of policies so they're all new that the objective and the objectives and the policies so at last time or the time before that I had a big long list of things that I had researched from other communities and this is sort of sort of a a summary or a condensation of those but certainly if there are any additions to this you know if anything's missing or if we want to um modify any of these to make them more descriptive or identify specific programs that you know of as an example you know I'm happy to make any sort of modifications that um that you would like to see um so let's go ahead just get started I'll get going and you guys can jump so the very first policy relates to preparedness Communications so making sure that um you're doing what you are already doing um in notifying the community about uh preparedness activities uh prior to hurricane season um and just anything else that I know you do social media posts and and different types of newsletters Town Hall meetings and things like that so continue doing what you're doing to make sure that people know about how to be prepared um in the face of potential natural disasters uh the next policy 5.1. risk education so raising Awareness on the flood risks in the community to encourage participation in flood reduction activities to uh potentially lower property insurance pre premiums and so that you know that's related to your community rating system um participation um the next one is conducting also related to CRS has conduct National flood insurance program workshops on the benefits of acquiring flood insurance to encourage adoption dropped off there a little bit one one or 5.1.4 is storm water management awareness so raising awareness about um responsible storm water management probably practices let's put that practices in there [Music] encourage actions such as rainwater harvesting and proper disposal of pollutants to reduce the impact of storm water runoff on local ecosystems and storm water infrastructure um so thinking about water quantity and also water quality and there are things that people can do on their property such as the the rain Gardens where you have little depressions and you plant them and they hold water and they soak up water and they also are provide habitat for pollinators and and different types of little creatures the next policy is 5.1.5 so species and habitat protection so implementing educational programs to increase awareness of species and habitat protection practices to promote biodiversity and conservation of the of local ecosystem and those can could be you know carried out in concert with uh part Partners which we'll talk about a little bit later such as the University of Florida um Institute of food and agricultural Sciences which op operates an extension office here in the county they're a wealth of of information and enthusiasm about practices to um educate the community so they're great Partners the next is 5.1.6 so holding those Community engagement events as you as you do uh so it's noting your town hall meetings uh special workshops you know volunteer activities I know in my community people get together and they pick the air potatoes once a year they get out there and so those are ways that kind of Hands-On ways to engage the community the next 5.1.7 relates to hazardous waste education so you know educating the the community probably in conjunction with the county I'm sure they have materials available on proper disposal of medicines chemicals batteries and other hazardous materials so that we're preventing pollution and safeguarding the the water quality in the community the next relates to water conservation five so raising awareness of water conservation practices through literature signage utility bill inserts press releases and social media to encourage water saving behaviors to ensure a sustainable water supply 5 . 1.9 is conservation volunteerism so launching programs on U such things as habitat restoration or um monitoring to engage residents in those activities and Foster a sense of stewardship 5.1.10 educational programs at parks promoting educate Environmental Education at parks focusing on natural environment and conservation practices to enhance public understanding and appreciation of local natural resources 5.1.10 missing a one there Community Garden Grants so consider creating grants to help the community establish Community Gardens within the community and those are you know promote green spaces you know sustainable uh land use practices you know providing local food so you're reducing food miles and also just brings the community together on a common project monitoring and early Warning Systems so monitoring sea level rise storm surge and rainfall patterns and Implement early warning systems for timely alerts to Residents and emergency responders to improve preparedness and response to flood events and that could be something like your Facebook page I know you've used the nixel program in the past um and things like that and also coordination with the County and their resources and the last one in the section is 5.1.2 reconstruction plans engagement so this is post following a disaster so making sure that you're engaging the community on those uh um engagement opportunities de decision- making processes so that um you can incorporate uh Community feedback to understand Community needs and and also get their feedback on um on actions that are to taking place are there any questions on the first set any additions or suggestions um yeah just a I guess for my knowledge if we go back to like 5.1.5 species and habitat protection education when we when we make statements in this plan that says Implement educational programs and let's say we we don't end up doing that is is that a issue I'm assuming it was and and I guess the question is should we word these in a way where we you a goal of ours SE implement we can we can do that there's you know you you make a best effort to do these things I think the things that you must follow are the standards um but in this particular case you just want to say explore identify yeah it just concerns me that if we all these things if we l ourselves into having to do that I mean we'd want to obviously but obviously there's a lot here and we've got lots of other stuff to worry about as well and we had talked about that last time um and I think Mr mlar mlar said that well you just do one thing and you've done it you know so over the course of this whole span but we certainly I can soften those if you'd like either way I mean it's a win if you do it oh what what do you guys think I mean sounds like you're given us an out but do we an out well I think the goal would be to do it and I guess give us an out would be you know if it's if it's something because everything especially from the educational perspective if we put something on or you know there if it's in house then it's not a big deal right because we're got paid staff already doing it but if we had to contract out for a trainer cost money you know just depending on what level of stuff we need to do yeah I think I would suggest that I don't know we have anybody in house that could do that particular right that sounds like contract um in collaboration with the community groups or uh local agencies like the extension office I don't think that you necessarily have to spend money on things other than maybe buying water or something when you get people together but we certainly I think for those that are a little bit more softer re I think like relative to your CRS you probably want to show yes you're doing notifications because I think that if anybody's scrutinizing this you they want to know yes you are yeah and I'm less concerned with having an out as opposed missing something inadvertently and being sued or whatever that kind of thing and I know you guys are you you're a small City you know resources are sometimes not you know human resources are sometimes not available to get certain I can I could put the Explorer consider that sort of thing not a problem capital c o p r g pardon me it was just hot just needed to cool down capital c p r g and then just lowercase the rest of the guest I guess I I don't have that much no problem with the way this is worded I I think again most of these it's our goal yeah I mean it's not necessarily saying you have to do it but this is what our goal is I don't know if if you know changing that changes what our goal is I guess I think if you were to say things like you know require right the standards that you're imposing upon but you know but certainly you don't want to if you say sh Implement educational programs that that is more of a you know that word is a bad word to use and then even that I mean and you could think about this sort of blanketly over the course of the entire comp plan that you want to be you know conscientious your policies but this particular case relative to community engagement you're going to be doing a lot of things and sometimes you don't get to one but that you know this is a yearslong process say too so typically you're every seven years and they're not even really asking you to go policy by policy anymore to see how you're implementing things so it's probably more of just a laundry list of things that to plant the seeds for activities yeah but um and it's it's it's a goal right so it in itself means it may not be achieved I guess I just I don't know much about how these things what kind of teeth they have to them I just want to be understanding of what we saying here if we if we put Implement does that mean we need to start looking at getting something together to actually do that is is our password Co PR wanted to check myself I'm just I think for a few of these I could look like for 5.1.9 you know focused on I think it would be consider or explore launching you know and a lot of times you may have people in your community that look through your comp plan and say hey I I would like to be a part of that let me lead it you know sometimes it's a community Le initiative that comes by virtue of or or somebody else comes in without even looking at the comp plan and they they want to do it and you've partnered with a community group or but I think the important thing is that you have some some things to reach for you know to but I certainly I can go through and yeah a lot of that we probably get a volunteer to come in and do a absolutely thing I just want to make sure that right I think that's a good just understand what we're doing because I think I think in the past some of the stuff is done because it's a requirement it gets sheld and then not looked at stuff do happen and make sure whatever we're doing aspirational documents except for your density intensity and level of service standards those are kind of Inc compatibility than okay thanks you're welcome 5.2 Community Partnerships that's fostering Partnerships and leveraging resources to address conservation and Coastal management issues the first one relates to flood risk management collaborations uh which you do relative to your um local mitigation strategy and also resilience planning uh 5 2.2 flood zone designation engagement so engaging with FEMA and local authorities to understand and potentially revise blood Zone designations Based on data and risk red reduction measures to ensure accurate flood risk assessment and an appropriate Zone mapping which which you do um water quality collaboration 5.2.3 the collaborating with state and local government such as the southwest Florida Water Management District Property Owners residents and others to improve Coastal and riverine water quality in support of Fish and Wildlife populations and the sustainability of these resources 5.2.4 Disaster Recovery partnership so collaborating with um the different partners private nonprofit organization I mean the whole gamut of community um interest and organizations to expedite your post- disaster um you know this you know business um continuity and housing all the things that you need to do the big the big things that you got to do after a disaster 5.2.5 is also partnering that making sure that you're reaching the vulnerable residents in the community to make sure that they're safe before and after a disaster 5.2.6 vertical oyster Garden initiative so engage University researchers and community volunteers in the design implementation and monitoring of vertical oyster Gardens in suitable locations um is that one that you think looks like a hard one or does that look soft enough to I guess if you don't get Buy in from the University researchers you breached out right but would you like that one to be a little softer I mean I think we have that's kind of going on now I think they're kind of reaching out I think it's something very real gonna happen um well you have your um new committee 2125 yeah yeah so fine and the very last one is and I don't know if if the development services department provides any information on Green Building or what sort of materials might be already out there for alerting uh Property Owners or developers on you know Energy Efficiency do Sal do you know if anything like that is promoted in the building in the development services department Green Building information Green Building such as Energy Efficiency uh disaster resistant building practices uh low impact development anything like that that's already being handed out like in pamplets check with them see if they that I don't think we do that yeah maybe in in the process when they're having conversations about what they're doing there may be some information given out but I don't think we we actively do that I think for this one because it's under Partners we should add something about reaching out to a partner who provides that information to be able to I know that like when I was over in um Pasco County Emergency Operations Center they had lots of things that that you could hand out if you wanted to like little pamphlets and binders and things like that so well I think going forward with when we start changing like some of our flood plane management stuff and you know moving up the you know how how we want people to build I think it's kind of natural that there'll be information yeah related to that going out and and just from you know looking potentially looking at like water star or even Energy Star Energy Star might be yeah there might be definitely propaganda from from those agencies that that can be a part of a packet that we give out to people that are going to be applying or have applied or however it looks however that works and then I wonder I'm sure that FEMA provides disaster resistant building practices materials okay let me modify that one um anything else that you're you're doing now any new initiatives or Community engagement sort of things that we might reflect in this set of policies I know you're doing the town hall meeting you're doing your notifications for preh hurricane season um were you doing something with Community Gardens asking him Community we will be yes okay I think that's a piece and is that um you're providing property or funding or what is it you're doing uh well it's a property that we've acquired through the county through FEMA um that we're going to be putting Community Gardens on working with CAC and yeah okay so it's a it's a community Le yeah sort corre any like to comment on that 5439 Point [Music] Drive there you go Dave Mueller 5439 blueo Drive um my thought was with regard to that one I know we have a building department that approve building permits but could a pamphlet or something be incorporated into that process so that we build a checklist of things that we you know when somebody comes in for a perent we walk them down a path and they got to have a andc for this kind of building and oh by the way here's something that you want to do for a Green Building or something you might give this consideration so I mean we could we could incorporate that into our standard procedures so just a thought thank you um any other thoughts so I think that with with this set of policies the coastal or conservation and Coastal management element we previously had talked about those sort of like individual policies that came about from the evaluation of the comp plan relative to State statutes so we had gone through all of those the only thing that we had left was the water supply facilities work plan and I think that's it so I reached out to the state today uh just to let them know where we were um that bounced back I think maybe Barbara I don't know where Barbara is but um I have Colin to find out who the rep is because they have Regional reps uh just a touch Bas say you know we're in the process where we're thinking about maybe a a Planning and Zoning Board hearing in August so I know that that there's a meeting next week so we probably need to there's not meeting next week yeah there is but we wouldn't be able to get no no we can't um so we'll package that up with the staff report take it to the Planning and Zoning Board oh actually yes Planning and Zoning Board I thought there was one more but that's not take it to the planning and zoning board for their recommendation and then a first reading with the city council so that could happen within do we have to do the same notice yeah that same notice okay we don't have do we don't do we have to have the ordinance as well or just an ordinance number and a title okay so and I can help you with that and then um we'll ship it off to the state and then also Pasco County I'm not sure if Newport Richie needs to get one as well and then everybody will have their 60 days to or 30 days to review and then the state will do their followup report in the next 30 days um and then we'll bring it back to city council for that second ordinance reading and um and then there's like a 21-day appeal period so that'll be [Music] done anything else on that good anybody public want to comment on that excellent we move on to the uh next item and uh in your uh packets are the scope of work for the next phase of the Cody River Landing planning I didn't even know we were doing that I okay let me pull it up we moving things forward man we don't want don't want to wait I guess I guess I didn't look at the agenda sorry about that okay River Landing and uh SC outline okay so um what I did was you know following the survey and the um analysis of the findings I set forth or put together this sort of outline as an approach for how you could address um changes to City the city's comprehensive plan and Land Development code mode to implement the community's vision um so I went for a little bit of effort here to talk about the background um to give what what I thought was the understanding of what we were trying to do and so I set out four different things and these are not necessarily it's more of a menu than it is necessarily like a SE a process or a sequence of of items but what we'd really be trying to get to would be a regulating plan that's the big thing so we would look at you know think through what sort of planning um what kind of regulations would need to be applied to this area any sort of design considerations that we would think through and lay out and those would inform your comp plan and those would inform Your Land Development code so it's sort of like a it's just the planning for the amendments that you would go forward with um one of the things that that I was thinking there was an opportunity for because you have this relatively low density and intensity that's out there right now actually across your city that you might think about a transfer development rights program because the community was interested in more low uh lowrise buildings along your Waterfront but there was more of a a tolerance or aptitude or what's word um interest I guess in taller buildings in the US1 19 Corridor and some other places um you could also provide some of that add density and intensity through performance so for instance if you decided that you wanted to uh entertain more density and intensity that there there need to be certain things that would help to make those Urban environments more livable sidewalks and public space and you know whatever whatever it is and we have a a list of things within that survey result that really shows what people would like to see out there in terms of amenities in public space I could interrupt so I first we we do have already in in the code that concept of transfer development rights but it's strictly for the for the Wetland issues right Upland I think I don't know that yours is Newport Richie is for the coastal High Hazard area I don't know if was yours wet so you have the mechanism it's there yeah so it's not entirely entirely new but this would be more of think about in terms of versus like sending things from an environmental area into a city so a sending area and a receiving area you would think about it more in like historic preservation or it's Urban TDR programs so and that's I guess where I was going was that that I knew that you were talking about it a little bit differently than the way it already is in there and so from from the the land use plan perspective what needs to be changed with it or it just needs to be added or if you could address that because I think that's in the end on on that piece on the ating plan that I think we need to do something different into the the the land use plan for it right so I think what you would do and like I said this all needs to be sort of like you know planned out because there's a lot of moving parts and it's not difficult it just needs to be thought through um so in the comprehensive plan under a land use category specific to and it could be three different categories because you've got those three zones that depends on if things are like each other they can have the same category but if they're not so we have US1 19 is a different animal than the Waterfront areas so what you would do is you would identify that within those categories there would be the potential for density and intensity to be of a certain level but you'd need to perhaps transfer from someplace else or you know you'd have to figure figure out what the triggers were to be able to reach that higher density um so I don't know if that's like clear or not wish I had brought some slides but I didn't even think that through would it would it go as far as again what we' put in the comprehensive plan go as far as laying out you know creation of of a bank so or would it just be really high you need to do this but not maybe get into the detail well you know if somebody came in and they didn't want to use the extra density then they wouldn't have to do anything they could just build a property but you could make it to where if you wanted to be able to utilize additional density intensity you'd have to get that from somewhere right so then that would create a market to help those properties that are on the water where the community wants to see lower buildings to be able to essentially take that increment of density or intensity and sell it to somebody where they could use it and that the way that could be handled would be there's a couple different ways of you know I think newpt Richie Banks theirs but they owned I think they largely owned the property so they had they had public lands that had density intensity entitled in those areas and so they just said these areas have this many units so we have a unit pool and then somebody comes in they can I guess buy them or I don't know we have to we'd have to think that through as far as what because there need there would need to be a value um and I know there's some implications for market-based Value versus other ways of doing that just to make sure that it's always high enough um I'm not an expert on the Financial end of it but we certainly would you know seek out development or people that would help us understand that's Finance People Help Us understand that um but I know that it's it doesn't have to be complicated but it just has to work for your context your market and your compies can you can you cap that for an area or is it uncapped yeah so I I think that what you could do is um an area you could do an area wide density intensity and then it would be a pool and then you could maybe the first ones in if you wanted to use those it would be sort of an incentive to get it in early so you could say well we have this much available or potential rights and you know once they're gone they're gone I think they do that on um Clearwater Beach they have a density pool but it's more related to Traffic so they had a number of trips units and trips and they knew they had a carrying capacity so to speak so yeah you could you could look at it in terms of an overall area wide or of a density pool um but you you know the objective would be to be able to transfer it from one place that you wanted to keep things low to other places that you wouldn't the community wouldn't mind being taller because one's subsidizing the other thing that they want right so um understanding that there wrote this um that there was a developer who's interested in a couple of parcels I thought that keeping letting there be a time to thoughtfully go through this process of creating a regular regulating plan comprehensive plan amendments and Land Development code which we have submitted of State grant for so maybe there would be money to do that at the same time you could be in a special circumstance doing a development agreement with these developers and then working with them on how like testing testing these concepts for transfer development rights of course that wouldn't be in play but we could see how the uh the development could be allocated across those properties and looking at design considerations parking you know whole the whole gamut of things that you would need to consider as you're thinking about L development code regulation and so as I said it would be real world data and feedback based on an actual case as opposed to just conceptual I'm not entirely sure that we should be using what the developer proposing as a baseline for changing our code you know like and we've got all this great feedback from the community and you know to kind of ignore that I think it's irresponsible and I hear what you're saying um but one of the things that we always do when we're looking at code plan and code revisions is to have Community engagement and that includes people who own property and people who are developers because you want to have the fullness of information um because there were some things that the community wants to see out there even though they did have an aversion to anything too tall on the waterfront the survey was One Step but having people that's why we have engagement down here below um you know offering an opportunity for the community to be Hands-On with this information so that they could come to those conclusions because the survey was not educational right it was you you were you were given choices maybe you understood you know maybe there's some things that I know there was one question in particular that wasn't like it was just not well suited for that that environment that survey environment if you were to have people come together you could explain things and say well these are these are Community objectives and these are Community objectives how do we marry these things how do we come to like a balance um because I think that's what we want a consensus of the community and um and the survey isn't really consensus building it's more of just a um a sense of what what it is that people would like to see out there I mean it's not to be discounted for sure because it's really valuable information and there's a lot of it a lot of valuable information um but with in working with a developer you could at least you know you could understand well when you're building a building you know this is what you need to do relative to parking and this is what this is what it looks like when you start to design out the um um the horizontal space and you know what going on out there with flood plane or you know there's a lot of things that you you don't necessarily have um really detailed information when you're just writing a code it's a little bit you you try to understand as much as you can about an area but invariably you get into it and you say oh we've got to tweak our code because something we didn't see something there was a blind spot or whatever so that's why I was thinking that in working with an actual development we could it would be a collaboration you're not speaking of like the developer who had a proposal for us well this was I was thinking of that because I knew that that was on the table um but not necessarily understanding what they were asking for I just knew that it was an interest um but we would talk to all the property owners I think we should the community should or the city should have engagement with everybody who has an interest on both sides of us along us9 you know what are they what are they thinking of doing with their properties um how would development affect where they live in that Pro you know sometimes people don't have any designs on their property and they just want to be there so you you look at potential for impacts you know on adjacent properties and things that are standing in the way of progress you know what the community wants to achieve what they're able to afford um you know there's needs what are the needs and then how can development within a community help satisfy some of that um it's it's it's a complicated mix of information but it's important to listen from all the stakeholders and one way to obviously look at this is that if you take all the developers out of the picture this framework needs to be looked at for any developer to come in whatever they want just in fact we had a real case scenario this is you know and there's real no hardcore plans behind it um they didn't have you know they have ideas Visions or whatever but it gave us something to um use as an example and it could be somebody comes along wants even more than that less or whatever this just a real world example that you know this is somebody that's interested in the properties down there but the important part is we had framework in place so that there can be negotiations in the future with whatever comes and we don't have that ability now so that's my understand that's what the purpose this is is to put something in place so that you know if somebody comes along wants to do X you know right now we don't have any negotiating power to do anything this is really and I know you have a waterfront overlay district and that that was going in that direction to have something that was very tailored to this area granted it only covers Cody ver Landing doesn't happen US 19 the other side of the although it was initially thought of to include the east side for whatever reason maybe just to bite off a small piece and then start from there that might have been the reason um but yeah it needs to be your your comp plan and your Land Development code will not meet the needs of this of this area it's it's a special district and right now it is lumped in with everything every other residential or commercial mixed use category I mean it's just it needs to have a special set of standards and that's what this process would do now it's not to say that it's predetermined as to what density and intensity would be adopted out there right I mean that's where you have to see can you meet the level of service standards you know what about traffic um I was telling the city manager there's a workshop or a webinar coming up but US1 19 is on the state strategic modal system you know they care about those systems there's only two in Pasco County 19 and 75 so you know what is the capacity for growth in this area relative to water sewer storm water traffic parks and wreck I think that was water I as well um so there are some parameters that you need to fit in um design considerations you know right now your what your code allows I think it's like 50% of the area can be covered with the building site but is that kind of in line with what your resiliency objectives are I was listening to a Statewide meeting for the Florida Transportation plan and they were saying how because of these urbanized areas and so much rain that we're getting that the flood planes getting bigger because there's no place for the water to go and also there's no place for the water to get into the aquifer to recharge to provide you know so it's there needs to be a a sustainability resiliency lens that you look at these things so including our infrastructure and blight around the city and yeah we're not going to attract many developers that so that we have you know the idea would be that we we have a choice we have many developers coming and wanting to buy the properties and say I'm going to do this that we get to choose because we're we're the ones in control but nobody's going to come here when there's a lot of you know they have to drive through junky areas to to get there you know so that's got to be part of this well there's I mean there's not a lot of buyers down there trying to buy this stuff and it's the reason being is because is that there's there's nothing that can really be done there but Car Wash is storage gen but it's not even nice to look at you know so I mean that even the the neighborhood areas you know there's lot need to be cleaned up there it's not going to attract it definitely plays a role so I think that needs to be prioritized as well yeah you know one of the things that you could find out from the real estate industry is you know what is it that when someone's buying land what are they looking for in terms of return on investment and if there isn't enough potential and those then there's not really a market right so it's like you've cut off the market and I don't think you know you there's always going to be change in a community um it needs to be managed well but for something to stand still is essentially for some unless it's perfect the way you know if it's n Tucket and you know nobody wants to change a hair because you know it's like an Amber you know sudden you um it's a special Jewel that nobody's ever going to touch but they they do change on an Tucket they do have development houses are falling into the ocean right now there so is it really yeah oh my gosh so it is changing there's that there's that um so you know I think and and I use the word thoughtful because I think that we need to be and I'll just want myself in with you guys helping to solve a problem is that there needs to be a thoughtful approach it needs to consider all the stakeholders input and there needs to be a balance you know you need to be to serve it people need to be able to get to it they need to be able to store their cars or ride the bus or you know there's a lot of things that need to and I say calibrate right you have big tall building but if you can't necessarily serve it or there's you know you got to turn that dial down and um and you know maybe it won't be tall buildings everywhere like you know like a a big city where you know maybe it's low here even in T I was going to say even in big cities so uh Baltimore uh St Petersburg and I'm trying to think there's there is a practice of Back the Water you may have these lower flung maybe they're three story buildings two story three buildings and then once you get Beyond a certain usually a street the buildings get tall um but you preserve that sort of not only a um a feel but it's like a it almost expands your Waterfront because tall buildings are here versus here and it opens it up for everybody to for more people to enjoy so um but that's that's just one way of of looking at it and it's and there's probably lots of examples of that other cities and how they step back from the water right now in your Waterfront overlay District I think the setback is 20t you know that's that's not a lot I mean that that's a that's an area of improvement that could be um fashioned into this so um I was a little surprised when I saw in that initial plan the Intermodal Waterfront District that that they had those those developments right up on on the water so anyway back back back to my list so um so after you have your regulating plan and that could be informed by working with the developer on an agreement uh an agreement is a a binding legal agreement that sets forth all the um development limits maximums parameters uh design XYZ whatever you want to include in there um you would be able to go forward and amend your comprehensive plan as I mentioned before I I Envision that there would be at least one new category if not three new categories um that would be specific to you know wouldn't be everywhere in the city but it would be specific to those those areas and then once you had that you could start to amend your Land Development code to be consistent and to expand upon that um comp and that was essentially my thoughts on it I did think that during the regulating plan the engagement should include a uh what I called a private development and a Public Finance 101 workshops so maybe even having somebody from the development Community a realator um that would come in and talk about this how the decision-making processes for developing a piece of land and then relative to um public finances or what's a better word for that Matt Public Finance is that what it's called or for which part for the like infrastructure like understanding ADM taxes and how you public so it would be a workshop so you come there and you learn ask questions um provide input and then there'd be key stakeholder interviews so sitting down with land owners homeowners business owners developers and government agencies dot Pasco County um FEA I mean whomever whomever else would be interested in in development at this scale within the community so I apologize for not bringing slides because that probably would have made it a lot on everybody everybody but I I I forgot about I didn't know I didn't know this was going forward so from our standpoint we're just looking to see if there's anything that that in what she's recommending to go forward with needs to be changed when addition to because the next step after this really is to get to council and start breaking up into contracts to be able to start moving forward with it I don't know if there's anybody wants to add subtract questions on anything she's recommended well I would I mean if I know probably um the community there's time of as of the absence maybe people want to see something happen but if you were able to wait through the summer to see if you got that Grant because if you start working on this then then you won't necessarily be able to get reimbursed yeah well there's I think there's there's elements that that you know from from our discussions I think there's elements that you know lend better to the grant versus things we have to do anyways yeah I think that's that's where once we're done you and I need to get together and kind of break that out for it's a great opportunity and if it comes to fruition it would be nice to to use that for your over oh yeah definitely you know and I think you know relative to your code you've got a what's called a ukian zoning District now they have form based codes which are less worried about the land uses but more concerned about the form of the buildings which is really what you want in a place like this because you you know you don't want to necessarily say put the building wherever you want just set back you want to say put the building here so we can create this outdoor room and those pedestrian walkways and the street trees and the so everything is is working together without having to do a fullon master plan you know which that's pricey so question com concern on the uh speaking of the Grant and while we apply for that waiting to get that back and we Way start to do some of this stuff obiously it doesn't go backwards if we just use this 96,000 for instance say we spent 30 then we would only and then we get the grant only 66,000 would be applicable to the grant does when does that 30,000 is that once we actually write the check to pay or is encumbered where we have an agreement in place and and the reason I ask is this's let's say Tammy's I guess your firm would be doing the work obviously right so well I mean that would need to be I'm one person and I don't have u i don't have design tools so it probably need to be I can adise all this work's being done yeah right now we're waiting on a grant you've not build and been paid for anything till the very end just just to figure out how this works and halfway through we get the grant you continue to work us and that is that full amount able to be used for the grant or is how's that work well I I think those behind the scenes on this is we will look at it and kind of break out what what are the what are these the things that are in this scope of work that are better aligned with that planning Grant versus not aligned with it so it's noty yeah so then we we take those out and you know it maybe it comes up well gez you know actually 80% of this aligns with that but 80% of it is more than what the grand is right so that that 20% we would already okay we're GNA be spending this money if if we want to do this we're going to be spending this money out of our pocket anyway and so that's that's how I kind of envision our discussion to go is is kind of breaking those out to see which parts really align well with with the gr itself I mean like she's bringing up you know form based codes you know that that's 100% I think what what that Grant is you know as we talked about that's part of what that Grant was aimed at yeah essentially the regulating plan so it's the plan for the form based code essentially and then the form based code or whatever it is if you're not tied to a form based code you could do something hybrid or or um you know one and if you don't get the grant one of the things that you might look toward is what I called a um not I call it but it's called a site plan controlled zoning District it's almost like your planned unit development um and your plan unit development I think where it had the issue was that it's five acres has to be at least five acres and there might be some other things in there but you know for instance the city of Tampa has a what's called a site plan controlled zoning District and they can handle very little Lots so you know in the inner city where you've got inel they don't really meet the intent of your updated code so it's a way for you to have whomever's going to be developing it to say this is what we're doing if they actually show you before you give them Z so it's not just sort of right now somebody could come in and say we would like to have the um you know commercial mixed or C3 have C3 zoning there's really no stipulation that the city says well show us the site plan what are you thinking of pretty much give them the zoning and then hope that you can massage the site plan when it comes in for site plan you this is given that site plan control at the time of zoning but the planed unit development is kind of like that too so yeah my $75,000 Grant I assume that's not not a matching Grant right is they $75,000 a use so the total here is 96 that's leav 21,000 that would be out our pocket so if weark right use this as exact purpose question so if we say we're going to contract this $96,000 worth of work right knowing that potential for the grant 75,000 we start going down that path and we we spend $21,000 time we spent $21,000 that $75,000 Grant comes in we can apply that all the future stuff because we contracted with you for the package if you will yeah I don't have so so I do have a an old contract past year I can look at that contract make sure you're not signing to say that I promised pinky swear that we've never like we're just starting on this right now and because you're saying like we can get going and then by the time we're actually billing traditionally you want to get the grant before you do anything yeah get the grant now we the servic but there might be some things that you can do in advance because there is going to be a a Delta between what you're getting and what you're probably going to be spending right so can we figure out what those pieces like for instance the grant does not anticipate working with the developer the development agreement that's not if you decided to go that that be necessary but sounds like constructed so we have a $75,000 piece set aside for the whole Grant and then work on the other things that fall outside that that where's the money from with the 21,000 yeah WEA budget process we is it budgeted at all any of this already [Music] question this this is not something we had to do this spend some amount of money here you don't have to do anything we required to do something for the we don't have to do anything we want to do it right this was the last pie we need to do something coming out of that survey effort you know we said we'd do an outlin kind of an approach to next steps so um it was you know a lot of ideas and needs to be you know looked down flushed out right another that isly whatever spend here that has potential generate future income an investment in the process investment especially if you find that it would be interesting to learn from Property Owners is you know what is holding back the area from achieving that initial inter modal Waterfront District Vision that was I will make sure that we are able to fully utilize 75,000 I don't want to do something where we're we're going to lose some of that value any other questions on that concerns comments additions subtractions did you want to add anything public let engage in this that you want to say anything no I'm good good okay I was just curious Mike coin Mike Dave mu 5 439 blueo Drive got it uh I was trying to coordinate that $75,000 Grant I don't recall if it was on the Grant List is there a reason why things aren't getting updated and well that that that list is what was been going through our our grant coordinator right so this didn't go through the gr coordin here this is something that was submitted by Tammy I agree that's the control point that everything should go through whether they submitt it at that control point or fire or police or whomever or utilities I would think it'd be one stop shopping rather than have to hunt like Easter eggs or let's put it in real terms scallops and find uh the document so you know part of uh uh moving forward with a good organization is good structure and good procedure so I'm doing is making a suggest question it was probably like partially my fault because I just I'm trying to connect the dots do anything else second all favor I close my aitor