e [Music] either of you want to sign in [Music] ready call order to the comprehensive land use planning committee meeting of Monday May 6 2024 could we uh stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all could could I have a root call please chairman Matthew coer here member Tom mclarry here member John Eric H here member Denise McKenzie pres thank you do I have a motion for the minutes from the April 4th move to approve second okay we have motion second I don't know yet um we have a vote Yes all those in favor I iOS okay gr well he's just stretching out the power I am chair I don't I don't get this I will relish this except maybe you know I'm hopeful that I get to be the chair of the Centennial commission that we have that's my ultimate goal so this is all just for my my my real calling uh we didn't have any signups for comments from the general public is there anybody here wants to speak no not yet okay uh comments from city manager and committee members I have no comments start with you I have as well none I'm not oh we're just being along um in speaking with uh our planner Tammy uh she'd actually ask if we move uh move around the agenda a little bit and first start discussing the uh preference survey and the uh website information is that okay if we go out of order with this sure okay Tammy okay I'm I'm trying to find my other document but I'm ready okay so you're looking at the survey correct is that the first thing you have up that's what's in front of them why we why don't we talk about the preference first so um so what's in front of you is what benoi panicker and his planners put together and so it's essentially um 15 questions I believe 13 questions um that show the planning area divided into two pieces there'd be that which would be the Waterfront and then the US 19 Corridor so those are kind of like the two pieces to orient the uh the public the respondents um and then it provides for those those that have images um a radius scale from -3 which means that you do not prefer at all all the way to plus three prefer very much and then zero would be a neutral so I don't have one feeling one way or the other um you'll see and I try to make it clear that with capitalizations because it kind of bounces back and forth a little bit but you know some things are for the Waterfront some things are for the US1 19 Corridor and some things are just across the board for the planed area so hopefully that's clear then at the very end um we did not I had a few demographic questions but thought we could discuss what we thought would be of value because you don't want to have too many questions because people they tail off at the end but you know we might want to know how long have you lived in the city um you want might want to know um how often you go to the Waterfront District or uh you know we could ask for age that might be important too we could ask for zip code but maybe just three I would say three or four questions so be thinking about what you might want to know about who's responding to your survey will we have a question to validate whether they City residents yeah was thinking to you well you could say well you could provide a zip code does that work for you guys not all even the city wouldn't narrow it down really need to address because there's parts of the north that are not that's sorry and actually we have new Rich addresses that are in the city as well I think I have a an example that I brought before but it was like I I live in the city I don't live in the city a lot of people don't even know if they live in the city well I mean at some point we just gonna have to well I mean again the easiest answer I see or the one that gets I guess most of it is what street do you live on you're gonna have some overl with grand or something like that but at least it's going to get you close within a hand grenade of where they live we I think it's probably too much ask for your your number your your your house number in your street but at least then if we say the street that narrow it down yeah you'll get close the grand is the one I think is probably going to be the big one that'll throw people yeah those two will probably be the ones that throw it off most but at least then you're going to get close to where you are so I think the the one I had before it up or not I was kind of getting that granted if you live in the city you may not you may not know but one thing was I work in the Waterfront area Waterfront District I used to work or have a business in the Waterfront District um I'm I'm a visitor I just visit so it's kind of like this whole line of because you may have people who are residents but you have a lot of other people who are business owners or their employees in the area or you know just like this whole catch all that you know how important is that you want it to be the residence the residential aspect is know I mean I I just I just thought is this going to be an online survey on the online survey since what we could do have for the street selection actually make it a drop down so they have to input what street they are and then you can put Washington from zero to th000 I I don't know what the breakoff is house numbers 0 to a th000 Washington Street and everything else is other and then if it's another another they're probably either a non-resident or they work um in Waterfront but either way they're a non-resident and that's maybe the easiest way to define who's a resident who's not a resident because they'll say well I'm not Washington from zero to a th000 I'm Washington 1100 hopefully they'll put other then how many streets you're the expert on that one 50 Washington Grand Boulevard limit Drive um we're going to have some streets that overlap with addresses us but I can get you a short list I mean even if we get close with it even if they pick Washington and they're slightly over the Border it's not going to be the end my the other way would be what voter registration but that wouldn't capture people aren't registered obviously but I think the precinct information would and then there's people well I don't want I don't want my I I don't want to tell people what I think I'd rather be anonymous to that extent for whatever reason so it's important to know um if the respondent is a resident or not um what about business owner property owner buiness own we could have if say you a resident maybe then it drops down and says you know what maybe there's like and then you could also check if you're a resid or a business and then you don't have to worry about that drop down we'll see if that's ke yeah if you drop down the if you drop down the the street and then you do the range or whatever you own property in this area I necess to be a resident they own property I think they should have a say whether it be a business or otherwise well I I would think you want to do Resident drop down business same drop down because again you can have businesses that don't know they're in or out of right the city as well so but that address like catches for instance they know their address they're in the city yeah but they would they would put on they would put um whatever street they're on at that point and then that would click in so you know so they put business and then Cody River or whatever street they're on is it important that you know so you said if you're a resident or a like a city resident or city business to have those group together so they're pulling from the same or do you want to distinguish or I mean it's a data point that we could look at these were business responses these were resident responses so yeah if you can collect it okay and then as far as um property owner maybe we're get we're catching that with the residents and the businesses and there might be a few just land owners but maybe that's not as significant to really if somebody could qualify all three maybe you could multiple select that one I'm a property owner I'm a business owner I'm a resident right you just want to like minimize the amount of checking that they're having to do because and we'll do this at the end but they're going to be doing a lot of looking and evaluating and rating and so we don't want to like exhaust them to the point where we don't they don't even answer at the end so that's that's also a a tension or balance that you have to to strike and how are how are you um preventing multiple surveys for the same person I mean I think we could probably check a box that says it can only be one URL but then you run the risk of what if it's phone number maybe collect the phone number then it's private data yeah you want to if it's attached to a name right if you're doing one your can pick up the uh internet address but you don't want to have it to where say if it's they going to the library or or there more than one or I mean there typically it doesn't really I mean you don't really see that people kind of pile on a lot in these sort of surveys but I mean you know you know I me I would think of if I'm wrong if you just give your phone number that end of itself is not identifiable it it is identifiable because they can just reverse look up like I do it all the time call me find out who's calling me but um if you make itous you're gonna some people are just not going to participate because they don't want they're want to have private views about the well and you don't want somebody that goes in there and does it a thousand times SK the results either so yeah and I'll check to see there might be something that you could actually see if it's the same it's not called a URL it's called like your internet identification or your computer yeah the only downside is if I do it and then my wife comes in and does it and we both use the same comp but if you did it 50 times oh well yeah yeah you you'll stop the 50 times so I think what we would do is we would just look at all the responses to make sure that there wasn't like something that was repeated more than a few times what about a registration where you have a an ID and any any level of friction that you add you I know when I get things and I have to go to I'm busy I don't want I just let it go like well I guess they really don't want well you create multiple IDs anyway so it wouldn't help I guess yeah yeah they typically say you know like for the people who do a lot of these surveys that you know the idea is just to get a lot of surveys not from the same person of course but just to get a lot and that you um you know that helps to make sure we can have a good representation from the community and then I think you can check for those anomalies where 50 responses came from the same computer that's I think that's easy to check right anything else that you want to know about the folks besides their relationship maybe their relationship to the city but anything relationship to the Waterfront area maybe that's not really Waterfront is essentially a business district everybody in the city so is equally I'll say equally distant from the Waterfront more or less long as you get residents or or land owners or businesses you're hitting them all equal is there any interest an age range does that mean anything point to have other problem is do do we want to ask a bunch of questions whose data point isn't critical so for instance if a 30-year-old you know I believe our distribution is fairly equal if I recall correctly across the city in terms of age ranges does it really matter if 50 30 year olds and 50 60 year olds want the same thing versus you know 60 what 40 year olds don't one it doesn't matter it's still 5050 at the end of the day um it you know the the the breakdown isn't because we're not a moving community in terms of our age groups kind of stuck where we are yeah no I don't I don't know it's crucial but I just I just don't want to ask a bunch of questions that you get the the question we're always hungry for data but really when it comes down to it does it does it add value because you don't want people to stop and it will put it end so if they didn't want to provide the information they could just quit but um but I think also as short as possible because I run out of patients and surveys after like five questions I'm done yeah when they get too long I'm like I would think if person's going in to take the survey they would expect to have a little no I'll go in and then I run out of patient okay well if we if we think of anything else we can come back to it so let's just go ahead and jump in because we want to get and and I know you didn't have a lot of time to review this so certainly if you see anything tomorrow or whatever you know let us know um but let's just go ahead and go through and I understand I have some typos so excuse me for that but let me know let me know what so do you have any is it clear to you what this survey is about and they're going to have a website we have content for the I don't know if you guys received that or not so you did not okay well I went to the site but it says coming soon I was there it was in the agenda it was in the agenda there was a flyer and there was some preliminary web content and then also um I just sent to Matt this morning I did a like it's a seven page write up but it has a lot of Graphics in that it's uh the planning framework so it talks about what this is sort of the context um you as part of the because I just that for everyone oh okay and you don't have to read that for today but it's there so we thought we would just back up link that to the website because you can't really in a nutshell describe the planning framework on the website because it would just make it too long so that way they would have a sense of what is a comprehensive plan what does it say about the Waterfront what is the Land Development code what does it say about the what's allowed there today so really it's setting the uh you know increasing awareness of what's allowed in the Waterfront District today and then also talks a little bit about you know it's it's perfectly customary for a city to refresh its Vision about every 10 years so essentially you know although it sort of you know prompted was prompted for you to to be at this place it really does make sense that you you look back at your vision just to see you know have there been any changes in the economy the Technologies the environment of social situations so um that you can read more about that later okay so back to this first paragraph are there any suggestions or any ways that I could enhance it to not to make it too long but to make it clear so just to clarify so the the scope of the questions is not just the Waterfront it's also us9 Corridor and the subsequent Waterfront Pro if you look in that and what we're calling this is the planning area so that shows the green Waterfront and the red US 19 Corridor now the the number one thing I have is what if I'm color blind my husband is and he said it's both they're both different Shades of Gray yeah so what we should probably do is because I do public involvement for the state and we're always trying to make sure everybody has accessible information some hatching we could probably do they say that if you make you know um print it in black and white you can maybe see if there's enough gradation in the gray but maybe a hatching would probably work three different hatches y yeah and actually to that point looking at this right off the bat I actually thought there was three sections to this because of the green uh behind the park turns out there's only two sections so we want to make sure we really identify and the Waterfront area although inclusive of the park there is absolutely nothing you're going to be able to do to it so you might as well take it out well I was gonna ask that question if and then later there's the question about well there's Recreation stuff that's in the survey as well so that's true but you're not going to be modified Park yeah you might make a note that's non buildable in there yeah you're not going to be able to make it a retail Park so none of that stuff would apply to that area okay I think even in the code of the Waterfront it excludes the park too I thought when they lay it out yeah just made this W the boundary is actually the the south end of the park yep right so this is a broadening of the planning area so um but you're never going to be able to include the water but I'm saying we should take it out the exact same thing but so I'm going to ask that be removed we're gonna put hatching I would think on the the green area just to give it a little bit more prominence perhaps what do you think is that where the hatching should go maybe just two different borders so like a dotted border around one and then a box border or a diamond or something other kind of border so people can just look at the border and see okay within this line and whatever funky border this is the us9 corridor the only issue is that there's going to be a shared border between the green and yeah but you can just kind of separate them off I mean or or put a third or just do a solid line at that point say shared border or something that way you're defining exact like a do a DOT a series of dots is the Waterfront District the series of dashes is the US1 19 Corridor district and a solid line a shared border between US 19 and just put a little Legend there do you think that this underlying aerial map adds value to the probably does yes okay okay let me let me have them rework some things and we'll so really have you have two areas right you have the the Waterfront and the us9 corridor that's right because I really would based on that Waterfront orientation you might think of things a little bit differently you might want to be a little bit more setback US 19 well I wonder is there a reason we didn't use the the zoning with the WOD as a an area and then everything else well we were mostly looking at how to distinguish between Waterfront areas as opposed to this Waterfront area and that Waterfront area and the US 19 area I mean we we could do that I just think it makes a little bit more complex for the public to because really when you when you're developing along the water front you have considerations as opposed to when you're developing along the highway well Dr WD doesn't have the EA 19 stuff in it right right so it doesn't Compass some of the US 19 Corridor I just because the the way the code's written is written around that um oh yeah because you would by this definition you would be splitting the WOD right so for instance if they say we love high rises around us 19 Corridor but we don't want highrises in the WOD you're actually from from a code perspective you're now splitting the the pro we may want to I agree you may want to adjust the 19 Corridor to at least in the WOD area reflect what that border is so people understand because right now you're going to confuse them just because people know what the W is okay if we start splitting that and asking different questions on it they're going to be well well no I don't want this in a WOD but I don't care about it on 19 and then it's just going to create a bigger headache I think for but what about US 19 in the WD it's not in the W well not us9 but to the west of it there is anything basically there it's was it 100t off of 19 there's further restrictions only like 30 something foot I think in or now that remotely come remotely comes close to 19 is catches from Riv right that's the only area so you want to show the WOD as it exists today you want to show maybe everything else maybe that's the the WOD but there's that area that's to the east of the river along the river that you probably want to have a different yeah I I would probably maybe have three have heavy WOD have other Waterfront and then what about what about if we keep the water as it is although you're saying that the US 19 should be pulled down yeah I mean maybe we can say Waterfront to include all of that area is just fix the border of the WOD versus what if we showed the border of the WOD we have it included in this Waterfront over to the East and then there's the US 19 but we have to make that whatever is in the W well that's the thing you got 100 feet from US1 19 is excluded from the W no no there's it's it's it's a different set of rules within 100 feet of 19 oh in the WD that's fine yeah but it's still within still yeah you can think of the WOD essentially goes to Route 19 but you know if someone was trying to put up a highrise in the WOD they wouldn't be able to put up a highrise within 30 feet of US 19 because you fall under state law that's well out of your control so I would suggest this is that we we keep this delineation the way it is but we superimpose the WOD on this yeah just just take W in its entirety and make that Waterfront so you would adjust this 19 Corridor red or whatever hatching you would use and you would have a line it would basically go along I guess the west side of the bridge or west side of 19 there and the rest of the Waterfront would still be this green area you have but it's it's Waterfront but the W there's the US 19 Corridor that's in the WD I don't think we should split up the WD because it's an entity right they split WD yeah so show the whole W as a waterfont right there and then we can say these are the water areas because that still relates to the survey because we don't want to have too much then like but we can actually look at context that's what we're asking for it's not necessarily for you to say this is what we have today tell us what we should have this is saying look forward can I brow your pen for a second yeah we're looking at this area [Music] aresh everyone in agreement that we should just take the line and do that they green yeah pretty much yeah just take the line and do that and make this part of water Waterfront over but what about this US 19 people may that's the US 19 Corridor because this the WOD actually kind of runs right just oh but we can keep the colors yeah keep the well keep the pattern whatever we agree but this basically turns into Waterfront yes or water water yeah WD okay so we're going to have Waterfront we're going to have us9 and we're going to have the W no just how' you draw that line let say again because the questions relate to the Waterfront and the US 19 Square post actually goes levels that you put on 19 versus the water oh the the marathons in there's has gas station okay yeah so he's more right let me just back up a little bit so the survey is oriented to a particular context it's either a highway context or Waterfront context if we take that chunk out that's in the W then we're not going to be looking at that US 19 Corridor is something unique but what we're telling you is the people know that the where the boundaries of the Waterfront is so I think what we can do is we can show this config we can show this configuration Waterfront us9 but we can superimpose where the w OD is Just for information but this survey is not recognizing your WOD it talks about it in the the backup information that it exists as a zoning District but we're just looking at land and how it's orientation is it's oriented to water or it's oriented to the highway then you're going to get mixed results because the people say okay I understand what the Waterfront is but you're you know my if I highlight the the answer for the Waterfront may not be the answer for US1 19 but I know the Waterfront spread up against US1 19 okay so for the questions then we're going to have to have we're going to have to have WOD US 19 outside the W and the Waterfront outside and so then it means we're going to may I mean yeah let's go let's go to questions and see if it you know this was kind of like just a way to kind of have people thinking about the land as and the water as opposed to the zoning and we understand that they know the WD boundaries but this is more like what's appropriate along our water what's appropriate along US 19 or what could be appropriate what you have in the green though all the property is water no it's not on the water but it has more of a water orientation yes but that's you had I I agreed with what you were saying as long as properties were Waterfront I can see where you know I may look at at those that are adjacent to the Waterfront those properties that are on the water actually have water fromont property your argument I could understand that but when you start getting away from that for instance you get over on the east side of the highway where those properties right are not water adjacent they're okay so we should probably do this we should probably have areas a b and c what w US1 19 outside the W and east of US 19 and that way we're not necessarily relating it to a particular physical context but we're just demarcating areas on the that so we'll have to have three sets of questions at least relative to height you know what do you think is appropriate for height in the W gate what do you think although youve got US1 19 things may people may less uh be less concerned about height on US 19 than they are some themselves you're kind of really limiting your responses you know the tolerance level will change probably along US 19 it is in this water area you know I almost wonder the city being as small as it is and I almost wonder if it's even necessary to have more than one area what do you think within the city of Port Richie here's what mean like the US1 19 Corridor gets the same treatment as the Waterfront well from from a zoning perspective it does right C3 C2 is all doesn't really matter where it lies other than a wd there's a special set of restrictions on that commercial District right there but every every cat3 property and everywhere else applies the same rules it's just WD Narrows the focus a little bit this is actually the feedback that informs that decision so for instance you know on graen there I think they're all c3s there most of them are C3 the feedback actually starts informing that decision is C3 the right Zoning for that does that that does that acclimate to your master plan overall with the city or should those actually be rezoned to a C2 well C2 is Waterfront zoning I'm making up numbers here but do those actually get reinform so treating this whole as one big survey you may not be getting the answers you want from response people may they may say us9 you know that's probably appropriate for and also you know if you think about tall buildings it really blocks the noise so it's like you could be quieter within your Waterfront District at tall buildings right but maybe the height of the buildings um in the on the US 19 Corridor wouldn't be the same thing as what you'd have in your Waterfront area and and people also again people well if you were to say you were going to put up a um five-story building or eight story building where famous Tates is just using it as an example you may get an entirely different tolerance than you were if you were going to put an eight-story building where I'll use the most obvious example where gild dogs is just people look at it differently they look at it as okay 19 that's 19 completely 100% And they may have a different response to answer to that so if we treat it all as one big overlay area now you're really getting into definitions well yeah I have no problem at where famous Tates is but I do definitely have a problem where so they may just say no to the whole thing or they may say yes to the whole thing and then when you actually putting it up they're like well wait a minute I didn't want that well right and and I get what I'm saying but based on the the questions that we're asking within that context we don't we don't drill into those fine details I it'san just multi family housing shopping dining Hospitality but later on when you talk about height we are talking about us I got a bunch of comments on this going through quickly and I went to my resident survey expert too so I could tell an engineer put this together that was no there there were plan no not engineer oh it was no like architect and a and a planner yeah I mean by all means I'm all for getting as granular in a date as possible but keeping in mind that the people that are taking this maybe not are thinking I just to give you example maybe there's a person that I don't want to see high rises at all I don't care if it's a famous tapes if it's multi house I don't want anything above x amount of feet or whatever so they don't really care if it's a 19 Corridor if it's Waterfront or whatever um so but then they have the chance to say no as long as that's clearly defined and it's like I said I mean I I think there has to be a delineation in the areas because you know what what Tammy is saying is that you will get people saying one thing about one area and something totally different about you know potentially something totally different about another area I think the the the problem with how we look at it is going to be is that it's different than how residents I think look at it so if you go to a resident and say describe to me we have a couple of them not you um what what what are the boundaries of the Waterfront you asking yeah plan Zoning Board District or the Waterfront the water okay extends from the where the water is at the waterfront all the way to 19 so would you would you yes I was going to ask do you consider East Side is any that Waterfront only when you're talking about West or it be I guess it' be north south distance in that and like I said because of the River cuts down through there so you have to consider that portion and you make 200 yards back there yeah I mean I don't think we're bad with the three sections to be honest with you I think it's fine yeah the the the the the Waterfront overlay District get that in its entirety the I'll call it the Southside Waterfront which is kind of what you described from the picture here I know you don't have the benefit of seeing it they they have it oh they do have it oh look at you okay well then and then we have other areas right like that I think you just need to separated out in some way so when you ask the question they can we can get something out of it I mean without it we don't really know what they're saying that they may like tall buildings but they don't tell us where you know I my inclination is to call it well we could give it a label or you could call it a b c but then that doesn't really give it some people are just do the Waterfront over this week other Waterfront US 19 Corridor yeah that's it okay so w US 19 but not WD well that would we showed on the map yeah US 19 non Waterfront yeah you could name it US 19 Corridor and just delineate it on the on the map or just name it area long US 19 but there is there is area long 19 within the WD I know that's we I mean unless you want to call out a fourth area but I don't I just think what this is attempting to do is to look at your Waterfront areas that are not designated just Waterfront tend to be or at least that's what we're calling it and then we've got this us actually it's everything but the US here here's a way take take the two borders and just run them on either side of 19 and then call the rest of the red area US 19 Corridor and make that the little red part too and then that kind of so so we won't necessarily and that's fine we don't necessarily have to run along property lines yeah we can just say generally a certain distance and then we can have this green area over here well not green but the hatched area over here the US 19 Corridor and I would also think that you'd probably Branch out a little bit to the east up to the North like we Grand Boulevard and yeah I would I would take everything along the US1 19 Corridor as one okay spot is really all of that property I mean you got acres and Acres I mean you got five acres further to the north that is developable yeah um and that's along the US1 19 Corridor you have several vacant Lots on both sides within the city so I mean this US1 19 Corridor actually stops halfway through the city it goes for another almost double I know you gotta stop somewhere stop well within the city limits I mean you go all in this particular graphic you can go all the way to the top they really kind of left a lot of the US1 19 Corridor out of it if we're trying to get data on the US 19 cor what do we want to do there because I know of five acres okay so what is that does that mean I can put High you know does that mean citizens want to put high rises in that five acres or do they want that to be multif family there's a huge parcel right there by the Walmart yeah okay so I'm game do we want that's our three but that can't that's be yeah could be can you can somebody just like sketch that out roughly as to what you're talking about just make sure I am clear on where the US1 19 Corridor is because I have a sense of where the Waterfront West is and the Waterfront East but where do you want that Corridor to extend because there's really not a lot of really I guess this space to I would just kind of go you know how many feet on either side of Center Line I'm trying to get a I mean it has to be a buildable lot area yeah I'm just trying to get a grasp of what you have now in the diagonals and I was almost saying chase the diagonals up on either side where you have the red just kind of Chase the diagonals up what up what about down keep that green I the city border largely stops for the most for all intents and purposes as far as 19's concerned it stops at the I know right now we have that area that's green should we also be looking at the the catches as more water front so I I I see where they did that so let's keep those East and West areas that are there now we cut them in half and then everything that's US1 19 Corridor that's red will go ahead and carry that up to the kind of carry it up diagonally chasing us 19 okay okay I'm going to have this map done and we're going to send it back to you guys and just have you time in that's okay make sure we get it right again this is high Lev master plan so it's at some point needs to land on the ground well if you if you have this map is it what's this map done in it something that he could he could edit himself and send back to you say draw right now he's almost got if you drew a map just replic it so it's just lines if you look at it it's really go along Corel pretty much Corel up to miles it should be miles Boulevard cross got it like that and you did you hey did you put the uh W line in there that extends out right just fall Water Front Park over I know that that's like a that's not abstract okay okay all okay we're gonna take this out and then we're gonna show the WOD delineated okay I'm I'm gonna work on this but this helps thank you okay because you will get different responses for each of these zones I guarantee and that is the important thing so later on when you're developing a what your regulating plan is going to be for this overall area and you're going to probably apart your zoning maybe make something that's very specific to this area maybe even the usest 19 Corridor but um you want to have fine grained information so you can differentiate because they really do have different characters and um and different infrastructure needs you know XYZ okay so the first question is just to kind of get people thinking like get them in the mood for this but what do you envision for the entire planning area for the next 10 years so yeah here's my first two comments we just spent 45 minutes delineating the areas and then we th throw in a new term to people planning area well what does that mean well the whole area is called planning area that's that's we describe that the city's uh conducting this survey for this project the plan area for the visioning process is shown on the map yeah but now so are we going to put a box around the whole thing that says planning area that's the idea is that this whole that's something that could be clear a thick line around the planning area that has C character districts or zones within it you know special areas so there'd be the water this water of overlay District US 19 and then the areas east of so maybe that could be so in in in the The Narrative before you get to the picture of the area at the top you would put in there that the planning area is this map that is made up of a b and c before you ever get to a question there's orientation what is the city doing you know what is the survey all about what's the area that's involved that's the map and then how the feedback will if all that information is hidden within a paragraph like that it's not going to be easily picked up on so as as you talk about the planning area if you could open it up have bullets sub area one W sub area 2 whatever just to but make it separate not just hide it in text is what I'm saying so people you get a paragraph like this they just jump down to the picture and they move on yeah I agree if we maybe they now that bulls or something now that we've made this more fine grain map we don't about like because I was trying to make an orientation to the Cody River Landing because that's what people know right my thought would be what do you envision for the Waterfront overlay District the US 19 Corridor and the whatever we're calling the third part or the next and then the the next part is 20 years is a long time time some people who are in their 80s will say I don't care they move I think a 10 year I I think 10 years is a much better time frame for it okay I think that's a good idea about so this way you're keeping a consistency across we've defined it and then we're asking you and there's a website so they don't necessarily need to have all the story here they can learn about what this project is how the feedback is going to be used you know what's the origin and all that stuff so I think keeping it really simple is good the first question we're going to go to 10 years do you think that question is good to get them sort of thinking about the area in terms of what it could what it is now and what it might become that's the idea kind of get them visualizing okay the second one what type of development would you prefer within the Waterfront area of the planning area so I think in this particular case we're g to just talk about the three areas the area the Waterfront to the E West to the East and also the US 19 Corridor we'll have to repeat this three times so here's where I have a little bit of issue I know we're going to break it down the areas I would get rid of planning area because you're again you're in just what do you want prefer within the Waterfront the WOD the us19 that okay get rid of this planning area yeah we can do that now um the other part is PR mixed use well did you know that there's actually retail in multistory mixed use so there is shopping and dining technically so now you have a conversion of it because what if I don't want shopping and dining I say zero to that but I said 100% to mixed use no I didn't want shopping and dining I don't understand what that is to the same extent multifam is also part of multi-story mixed use so you're the idea is one's like a type of development so the type of development is multistory mixed use so it's it's a blend the lay person doesn't necessarily know or understand that so and I wouldn't I wouldn't put a set of definitions at the top of the survey and then have people have to go back up what was that again what was that again right word show like multi-story mix juice right underneath that have a blurb of what that is so they can just look over there read it again and just do it in bullet points mix of retail multi family housing and shopping and dining um multi family housing only multifam housing no other usages single family Town Homes well that one's a little self-explained people on shopping and dining we no no other usage other than um stores and restaurants would you would you separate out shopping and dining or put them together generally they go together um from a development standpoint because good to have yeah you mix them in people will go shopping for the afternoon and then they go get get ice cream or whatever so generally in a retail usage it combines both shopping and the reason I ask because some people would rather not have shopping inter mixed with dining vice versa right I mean obious have some eating places normally we have shopping but um from like we have we don't have any shopping down there now it's all dining dining bars or whatever only because that's what popped up you are allowed to you I mean there's nothing stopping a a store from going in you go to when you go to a district you eat and you want to stroll around and and usually you're you got some money in your pocket and you might want to buy a little trinket no I agree I just didn't know if if if it was worthwhile separating those that or not I'm I'm good with keeping I think they they they tend to have a similar form they tend to be ground floor um even if they're in a taller building the the biggest restrictions I've usually found is in multistory mixed use you have multif family housing and they will allow a restaurant or coffee shop they won't allow allow a retail store I've seen that in other areas for whatever reason I don't know usually everybody's um hungry for the retail yeah so but also to the same extent we got to explain what hospitality is that's you're talking hotels there basically right yeah I put Hotel and Resort yeah hotel resort yeah um I agree because I was like shopping same thing with commercial and office you know people understand office they don't necessarily understand commercial well commercial actually office is commercial to a degree yes but you could have like mixed use Office where you actually have a flex space in it too that falls under commercial designation single use commercial yeah so either put in office spaces or don't confuse keep it simp I think they're probably this is like it's mixed use with commercial on the bottom and then office on the top but then it's like difference between the multi story mixed use than commercial yeah I mean theoretically you just said multi-story mixed use but did you mean housing or did you mean no I know I exactly so we get we really have to Define what these are at least in simplistic terms to the people so then they can make their their point in development is commercial just office because commercial is a broad term to late yeah that that's why should be retail office that's what it should or Reta I would just say office plent office because commercial to the lay person is restaurants well typically in an office building first floor is like restaurants or at least a cafe or something that's downstairs to serve but I think the what we're getting at here is office do we want office space allowable yeah in the various area like people I don't think will care if office space is on the US 19 Corridor okay fine because office can be part of mixed ju yes it can yeah that's why the multi-story mix use you got to be very careful with that one you're saying is the question here is office is office if you get excuse that's just all but is there a tolerance for office and just is that correct multi- story spell it anything like that no it's not okay I mean that must be maybe it's um European or something yeah that's what I was thinking yeah it's on my list so you want come podium sorry you gotta do the whole thing whole thing be official cynthy ma 5446 Blue Point Drive um on the multistory mixed use one of the things that I saw that there're it's really becoming popular is besides the a store and you know different places of restaurant they also have um family homes but they also have hotel rooms M um and so the the building is half and half to keep ongoing income as it comes in so that's something else you may want to put in your def definition no it's actually a split use so what I've built two of them yeah what it is is half the building is a boutique hotel right um and then the other half of the building is actually a full usually irn condo right benefit is for the condo users is they get to use the hotel facilities pool con type services and different things yeah and then the the hotel usually serves as aund some odd room full Hotel um and then so that you have high-end condos which is very desirable and then you have the hotel Boutique Hotel and then they usually have whatever for their services so that's technically multi-story mixed use it is or do you define it between the two separates one's very specific to to shops and restaurants and and homes condos or do you define it between adding the hotel portion too yeah question I'm I'm just asking because I I know that's very popular what what are we trying to get to with this this question so it's the development type so should would it be more should it be more oriented to the structure type like what it houses because mixed use can be any variety of residential commercial office you know so it has any two uses it's multi-mix use right I mean it's fine getting to these I mean my guess is if someone rates multistory mixed use high they're probably going to rate multif family high and and shopping dining hospitality and you know maybe or maybe not office but um and and maybe put multistory mixed use on the bottom that way you're starting to get people acclimated to so okay do you want multifam housing yes or no or do I want and then basically the last one is do you want multistory mixed use which is all of the above usages and and are you okay with all of them together in this now what about the recreational option it's a development type I don't know if that's is that well I guess it could be a velopment type it can be but you know to a degree I don't even know what that means you know what what does Recreation mean does it mean I'm allowing RV parks or does mean um saying there's marinas marinas or you know what does Recreation mean well you know does that mean Marina that's maybe what this is getting at because a private recreational opportunity would probably be on a water at least the Waterfront could be indoor Recreation but I think what this is trying to do is what you're saying it's almost like it's a it's a building type with or Recreation is also Disney World Recreation public space maybe make it both or it's also movie theater that's technically falls under Recreation I mean be leisure Recreation Leisure I mean if unless we can Define exactly what we want to be asking the question to I would almost eliminate it yeah um because you're going to create confusion to it because your idea of recreation is going to be different than your idea of recreation is going to be different than his idea of recreation unless he's specifically design what do I mean it's it's what type of development and I think that this is a recreational type of development which probably wouldn't be a passive Park but I guess that could be you know argued I say yeah Recreation passive Park I love it click a floating uh like an Amphitheater whatever you would view things I mean some people would deem Recreation as a floating casino that goes out of next to Nicks Park every day you know actually a lot of citizens if you said Recreation they would probably focus on that right off the bat oh they're putting another damn Casino boat here yeah could be I think this is almost what type of uses do you want to see in the area because the next one is US 19 Corridor refers to Recreational facility which shows indoor like a [Music] gym but I think it's just it's presenting it's broad it's Recreation when you go to the water front District do you want to be you want to have recreational opportunities but a recreational facility technically falls under retail well it could thinking you know people aren't thinking that way they not really thinking might be classified for development purposes under and they don't have retail in the US 19 oh shopping dining there it is and the buildings are a little different they're a little more intense on US 19 that little more High We Ori the other problem I have I did my surve expert and you never want to go left to right on a survey you always want to go top to bottom you can read left to right what do you mean left to right so you have negative3 to positive three they've actually gotten better response if you stack them vertically and label each one so it's like -3 strongly against -2 somewhat against zero I don't know what this looks like in Survey Monkey this is like our version of it but I'll put that that yeah they they do like vertical I know that they they respond differently to maybe that's what it comes down to really that's interesting I would not think that my expert is my wife she has two PhD she certified new test believe that's weird on human subjects and I that's who I was talking to when I came in here I'm like well what do you think of this and she's like well you got to do this and that the other thing in science to it as okay so we're going to make sure those are vertical and not horizont vertical and label each one because people seem to always forget that the the negative3 to the positive three in terms of gradients so you they say you get a much better response you put strongly against somewhat against neutral yeah I would agree with that that's what I was thinking of because I don't know what the Survey Monkey so we did this last year for Hillsboro County for a Greenways master plan we had different types of trails we use the numeric but I think you could also just later on WE convert those responses if it's very much like or very much like we could actually assign a weight to them back or and we could be able to come up with some sort of a numeric indicator yeah well then so then like they she goes she actually said that she goes then you go back and strongly against gets weighted zero and strongly four gets rated five and then you just calculate it out and then you have your average I like the words much better than okay I also suggest that you use the same pictures for from one question to the next because I might like the way yes this one looks up here but not yeah that's true I I agree because you are actually skewing your answers right now a little bit just by the pictures themselves because oh yeah commercial and office okay I see a four-story office building that's not too bad holy cow I see this 500 it's a little less thinking between so it's all uniform I like it um number four see if this is clear what building height do you find appropriate within the say the W here's the big thing I had they say up to two stories three to five stories six to 10 stories whatever I would put some kind of delineation and height as to what this is because people don't necessarily understanded one story equals 13 feet 10 stories times 13 130 well I think more people understand stories than they do feet well they think they do they think they do but so should we do both I would do both yes and maybe even also indicate what our current code is yeah so I put like two stories 26 feet three three to five stories 27 to whatever that math equals and kind of give them ranges at least may not be precise but at least then they understand it what was what was your com maybe indicate where our current code Falls oh do you want to get into that like where so like in the Waterfront overlay you're capped at 72t depending where you are you're you're really C to 72 feet everywhere technically yes you are but here's the thing like residential you're 38 ft above the flood plane so technically that's 54t so you can play things with n numbers um I think that's why the story is a little bit more clear as far as because it depends on where you start measuring right well no for a commercial you're allowed you know your cap the reason they have 72 feet is you can't have living on the first story because it's in the flood plane but you can't have retail or you can't have barking that actually counts as a story though so like problem with the the current discussion is that everyone's thinking well it's three stories of um development that's occurring well now technically the first one may be cut out because of par so is that two stories or is that three story so that's why you get the mixture of feat and stories at that point people can understand well I know what 30 feet is kind of yeah what that and goes from there and sometimes your stories and some stories are 15 feet Flor Flor you know it's and sometimes stories are 10t floor to floor High your ceilings are I know in my town when there was a condo coming in years ago and people were upset about how high it was going to be the developer got the same number of units in just by making yeah you do a 10 to 10 to 10 floor height and do a pre-cast and then just shove them in so I wonder if we should maybe not even use stories and use feet so it's really but some people don't have a good know about yeah they can drive around and say oh it count stories okay I see five story building um but stories are variable right to a degree yeah I mean that's why you're kind of doing ranges you put it in a Range 26 to 30 feet up to zero to 26 to 30 hope that you'll understand one of those you I think if you clue both I think you're good I know going out I was taking pictur a lot of pictures and I was doing a lot of counting you know I this there's a lot of very tall buildings out there I just want to know but you don't really notice it when you're when you're not counting okay so we're going to do the ranges along with [Music] stories and then we're gonna actually have this three times because we're going to have the three areas what was the rationale behind the the the height of these buildings kind of in an aerial as opposed to say is level or I mean I think what they were trying to show is that because we had these two contexts the Waterfront and then also the US 19 I just talk about the the view of when you're pick ABC and D I mean it's kind of hard to it's not hard to tell the difference per se but it's it's it's less I maybe that's a point it's less uh noticeable at this at this if you look straight down on something everything looks the same height yeah the bird's eye gives you a little sense of of massing um that's fine I'm just curious it wouldn't but if you think that the pictures would they're informative we should have pictures if it's not informative then we could just ask the question by it without a picture you think that the picture lends itself to understanding what do yall think I mean does it I just have said on question five they actually have it us9 quarter but if you look at the match in the Waterfront overlay you want to fix that one part um I think that that piece actually no it's the other side it's in the Waterfront District it's part of the U what would be where that the former nightclub was is where they're delting those tall buildings I almost wonder if it wouldn't be better to have four pitchers of actual buildings as opposed to looking at gray boxes that you know yeah you can have you can have very attractive tall buildings and you have very ugly tall buildings well we could use the same picture from up above maybe or we have certainly have a lot of variety so maybe we do and just show pictures yeah yeah I agree I almost think that this to me looks at like is that what they're going to build yeah and that that was my thing I I would rather give them a mass of it than try and tell them where it is because then people are going to say well look they're putting a 10 story building right where gild dogs is and then that's going to be you know almost take maybe highlight the area we're talking about but then just give them representative buildings so they understand what a 10-story building looks like and don't put one necessarily on the other did you see the the density thing okay the website yeah so I so I was thinking that maybe that might be a good tool that density like cuz that was actually eye opening no those are really it was nice uh graphic and I just wonder I mean maybe that has some application here I look at them again I was thinking also at the workshop openhouse that maybe one of the stations that people we could have that where people could you know having a conversation they could look at you know just sort of a instru like a illustration does it show you density yeah so what type of buildings and what the density was for those buildings really if you send it out to the board the committee I'll take a look at those again to see if that might work in this for these questions it was a nice graphic I did share it around yeah and it was what what really was astounding to me is that what the amount of density you had in some of these buildings I mean so we talk about density levels it really isn't as bad as you think from a from a footprint perspective depends how high you it just depends right exactly on how your footprint is and you know how much you spread it I can make World Trade Center was super dense and it had a one one block footprint yeah that's all it is okay that may be a good way to integrate it into question six since you're talking about taller smaller buildings with more open space that may be your opportunity to talk about densities kind of found the density because it's so variable um and maybe that's maybe that's where we use these Graphics from that website although I don't know if they have a variation of do you want a a tall building that uses up a quarter of the prop I don't think there's that variation no they really just talked about density levels and then they showed a building that that was in that range of course you know may have been a bigger footprint been a while since I looked at it part of my problem with item six though is the private and inclusive well yeah you're asking kind of different questions yeah like a and b is okay regarding open space building those better Street facades does that mean I don't I would prefer better Street facade versus a taller small this is the way I had it first was a a taller building with more um views off view sheds and more public space and then there'd be a medium scenario and then a a low so it's almost like you have a taller building versus a shorter building but one's spread out because you still have to have enough development to make worthwhile right so you need to get your square footage so you could do it very tall with a lot of open space or public space it could be medium with a medium level and then there's that that squat one that pretty much is like a wall you know you see it a lot of the water FR um bonut gun by Bona petite they've got that motel that kind of spreads out can't see anything behind it so U the taller building gives you more opportunity for view sheds you know and then as you go down you get less item C is that supposed to be open space or response supposed to be open space okay I'm gonna U revise this back to the three scenarios just to make it Apples to Apples almost okay and I would okay so you'll just do basically a b and c eliminate e because that's proing buildings that are private exclusive a usage and then just change the descriptions a little bit to I I know the city manager mentioned something about view shs view corridors or you know some some configurations like you see on Clear Water Beach they want to make sure that these are tall buildings that people are in so that they can actually see through to the beach you want to maximize that as as much as possible so that resource spread throughout the district okay so number seven and this may be the one that we get rid of sorry is why isn't this one broken out for the zones oh in the um in the rating scale U number six oh yeah area the whole planning area not broken out because I think that could be oh different I think it's just more of like a well maybe that is something that we have a differentiation I think it was just more like generally do you like tall buildings with lots of public space or do you because maybe on US 19 that's appropriate as well yeah you know maybe I don't care about it on 19 but I do on right okay good point okay so the next one is Recreation and I'm thinking that this one we get rid of yeah I I mean we're not large enough for Regional Parks arguably we have community and we neighborhood parks and you know right I I think it's a wasted question agre the next one number eight is what recreational activities lifestyle do you want to see in the Waterfront area um walking trails fishing boating jet skiing volleyball p boarding kaying indoors I think some of those could be like power boarding and kaying probably go together why are we asking about jet skiing wasn't that decided no it's they just put it in here because it was I don't think it has any relationship to what you've been discussing but that might be confusing as well because I think that was already voted on right allow jet skis well it wasn't about jet skis per se it was about water watercraft rentals right but I think some people got hooked on the jet so um well here's my question to you that's my dog let's say the walking trail that's my sorry let's say city tomorrow said I do not want fishing boating jet skiing paddle boarding or kaying in the Waterfront overlay District meaning on the water the state comes down and says we don't care what you want it's actually public state-owned waterways and you have no ability to regulate that so is this really a this is not necessarily this isn't a regulatory thing I think this is just more of like a lifestyle offering s so if we don't think that it's getting to anything that would inform a regulation then maybe we're gonna have more questions I think we I'm almost saying we pull the question because I agree it's not a yeah it's not our regulatory it's not something we can control and it's you know you're going to get yeah I want to do paddle boarding and kayaking that's why I freaking moved to the coast and those things you can do already yeah it's there I mean there's nothing I mean the only question that you may want to entice is do you want indoor Recreation within the Waterfront overlay I.E do I want you know in this case racket ball Andor workout area but is that really a market driven someone sees a demand for that they're going to put it in a building might be a nice gym to go up and run a treadmill looking out over the Waterfront yeah I mean is this geared towards trying to Define amenities that people want to see in the area most of these they already have yeah yeah I guess to me the amenities piece is kind of again related to the trade-offs you're willing to make for other things that you know from a regulatory perspective you're going to be doing is that you know like the walking trails and I wouldn't use that as walking trail because the walking trail in that area is going to be a boardwalk right I mean we're not going to have this wooded you know canopy walking trail but technically you have a water walking trail already in the in right right yeah what if we had something that was more oriented to space conquering it could be Boardwalk you know walking trails plazas I we could pick up some of the things that were that we should showed earlier that do more of the infrastructure amenities things that the city would potentially either build or build through a public private partnership well maybe that kind of cues off of the previous question six buildings that retain access to the water farm for public maybe that's a way to address that one that's way I had I have them already I did okay yeah so then we get rid of the the the question eight completely and just amend question six and make it a little more and then the idea of these Public public for be something that you're I've heard you all say you're interested in you could when you're reading through the website you can see that this process is going to inform decisions about not only development public space conservation you know all the things that you think about in terms of like a whole holistic design but I think um I think what's really important to the community because they do use it as a very it's a Gathering Place it's a place where you hang out they want to have those places right I think that that needs to be reinforced but not necessarily in a separate question okay the next one is nine what street features make sure so I'm not sure what weci on this but I think there is value in in not necessarily what recreation activities lifestyle do you want but of the amenities so we talk about fishing OB we're not going to provide fishing but the fishing pier so you have peers you have boardwalks you have okay um so if we do like public space amenities and we might say fishing not just what you're going to do but how yeah what what kind of amenities would you like to have fishing care it could be Bo um music venue all kind of different know yep picnic table area I was trying to pick a few things that um boat ramp boat ramp a good one yeah I mean yeah qu like you said queue off everything that's kind of do you want the do you want the pier at all you know fishing pier at all do you want the boat ramp next part do you want you know the where wherever that may I agree yeah like you could include just park Gathering area just a place to sit out in the water yeah use this question as as an opportunity to hit the hot items are the big questions so you can get that feedback well we got them be nice to know what people think about those amenities yeah I think in our comp plan now we have so many feet of Pier right nobody wants any peers why why we wor about May or even tag on some I mean I saw on the priorities the observation tower do you want an observation that's a great one yeah so if you hit on some of the amenities you would have around a waterfront area and we we and maybe work with mat on that because you know all the hot items just get them all out there ask all the questions Bo yeah well okay so consider the casino Bo right now has to ask that the the next one is Street features so I think I had initially had this one as Street skate maybe not everybody knows that but Street features so maybe there could be sidewalk cafes or Street trees um but these are more Transportation related you know how are people actually getting to the the Waterfront District you know are they going to be able to um we talk about public transportation I know you show a bus here but bus you have little trolley you got water taxes you got all kind of things that could be provided so maybe what we do is we talk about Transportation options and then we could be broad um in fact down in parking I kind of thought as a parking solution is if you did have a shuttle that took you back and forth to a parking area but I think also it could be a shuttle overall you know it could be taking you other places in the city um but so so let's see for transportation you're thinking water taxing that question there was public transit on US 19 so we're not going to put a water tax in 19 though yeah would we have to I have to re technically you have public Transit on 19 right now R by Pasco count so we wouldn't we wouldn't do any of that yeah that oh I would cue these in and you're never going to get a p pedestrian overpass across over top of 19 either at least notf on so you know I would tailor these specific to what items that we were talking like how do you want to arrive well distri you couple of things that was always floating around converting Grand to partial golf carts so you have interaction between 19 do you want that how how valuable is that what is that you talking they were always talk one of the talks was convert Grand part of Grant to golf cart to get from between Newport Richie and Port Richie um that is in conjunction with a golf cart Crossing which I'm sure everyone's going to say yes to but do you want a golf cart Crossing At 19 or you know use this question to the same extent as the other ones tag some of the items what what is the rating system and you know do people really care about a water taxi between Newport Richie and Port Richie that was always one that was out there too ranked high on our inter goals now gut check it with the popul yeah do you want this one to be um like a value a value assigned so not just pick the ones like check all that apply but do you also want like a preference level or just check the ones that you would like to use yeah for I mean I don't think anyone's ever going to say I prefer not to have sidewalks and crosswalks you know I don't ever think you'll get a z but you know which do you rate higher or what is more important to you to see and so we need to do the scale system would you want to derive that based on how the survey results well the problem is you're going to either get a new chances are you're either going to get it on some of these like even for um a trolley between Newport Richie and Port Richie I don't think anyone will say I strongly am against the trolley between Newport Richie and Port Richie you'll either get neutrals partially agrees or strongly agrees so now you're down to a three-step well order of priorities on that that specific I still think public transportation should be the what you're rating and you give examples of those things okay yes that's kind of what I was thinking anyway not call out each individual type of public transportation right I just wanted I didn't because if I look here and I'd see a bus public transportation I think do I want a bus service or whatever and it's you know that's be different than if I would like to have um a trolley that goes around or a water taxi or other things like that so do you think this question should just be public transit oriented and that what you say water taxi trolley or do you think it should be transportation in general like how would you like to travel the reason I'm concerned about public transportation one you already have it you can't change it master plan really can't amend it because well if you had enough if you had enough ridership generated by development then you potentially could have better service and it could make it a but that would be Pasco County who does that not but you guys talk to them and you say hey we've got this thing and we need you to come every 15 minutes instead of every two hours well we can establish a stop obviously which I don't think is yeah we have there's one right in front of Culver's there's another one that works kind of lining all this up is that that if if the public residents feel that we should have more um bus service for instance microtransit well it's all kind of different you know what what we should do is we are working with development Redevelopment that area we'd have to make sure well you know potentially there's going to be a size of a vehicle that's going to have people on it so we need to make sure that the rideways you know have this so we know that there's going to have to be a point where they're going to have to stop and we're still going to have to be able to get vehicles ped wherever that that that know multi-person vehicle is going to be stopping which again that's different than saying we don't want any public transit in that area so we can have narrower streets and so all those have different development connotations going down the road think back to the Waterfront Intermodal District that the very first iteration of all of this it was all centered around a hub that would have Transit parking garage probably you know was Intermodal so it had but that was really the idea that you would have this sort of catch all the district to to the same extent the golf cart paths also inform the same yeah because now you got to do buses and golf carts yeah that's what I think there's there's some value here there's definitely value in the public transportation and like you know even even you know if we're have water taxis well that means we're going as a city we're going to have to make sure that somewhere there's a place that water taxi can pull upop off right so but if nobody want water taxi then you know that's an amendment we don't have to worry about and along that line too if you want to have car share like the Uber that sort of thing curb space to making sure you have a place that the Uber driver can drop people off right in front of the place that they're going so it incentivizes people to use that service versus driving their car and just understanding that the more that you add to the ride away the less you're going to have for the development to occur and so that's something that again there's a tradeoff that's going to have to be made somewhere because you know right it's it's a geometry problem yeah and and to the same extent that's why we have to get a little specific too so for instance yes I want a golf cart between Newport Richie Port Rich well that means I'm taking you know Grand is now a oneway street not a two-way street as an example or or widening or whatever that is the definitely the master planning component of it so we got to get specific enough to cuz if you say in general yeah I want golf cart path yeah sure I want golf cart paths what does that mean what does that you get the indication that there is a desire for a golf cart path and then the next step is to solve it solve for that problem and see if it has to be somewhat peaceful somewhat somewhere I mean at the end of the day I'll put threes to all these sure they sound great yeah I mean it has to be able to fit into the you know onto your screets okay let me I'm going to orient this one then to are we going to title it Transportation options are we going to call it public transportation um what do you want to call it is it is it is this the intent of this is to get an indication of how people feel the best way to access these areas are going to be yeah how how do you want to make the journey to this area maybe is is the better and I'm just brainstorming here is the better question for instance for public transit on us9 do you as a resident use public transit on us9 I mean I know but the service is like almost everywhere the service tends to be not good enough to really attract unless you have to unless you have no other way of getting around but I mean most of the citizens in our city I mean if it's not a golf cart it's a car but it's not um it's not just bus right you're talking about you know golf carts water well yeah I'm not saying but I'm just trying to delineate the question in terms of agree or disagree is there value to that specific like if you ask people do they use golf carts most people are going to say at least 90 of them in the city are going to say yes if not more because they they have 90 registers so you know I'm just trying to get the most use out of the question why don't know why is why is golf cart P lined out like that because they're on the road yeah that's true I mean really the only thing that we're concerned about is to be be able to cross 19 with a golf cart that's the the problem or could we rephrase the question more like um how do you how you get to the water district or how would you like how would you like yeah and do you use bus transportation because I I I'm guessing most of the citizens are gonna say no to that I think you get to how would you like to it's like forward future oriented so maybe people say well yeah I would like to get to their like like to get to the Waterfront District via bus um but they may know that there needs to be some improvements made or maybe if you were to use bus transportation where would you like it to go or something and if they say could this be a little bit more General though just for the how would you like to travel to the Waterfront District and then just to kind of say I I heard I heard the um person who did the presentation the other night said they like to ride their bikes to the Waterfront District they like um and people may like to walk or they may want to bring their vat to get to so I mean the the the problem with the that public transportation thing that that last question I think you identified it because where where the issue is you put public transit on us9 that that does not speak to a resident you know accessing that area by a bus because they're not now if you put would you like the circulator that goes through neighborhoods or you could hop on to it at any point in time and go to the now all of a sudden you hit on something maybe some residents would like that's the microtransit thing with that car service that they have yeah that's but that's different than that it's microtransit as opposed to public like full-on public transit and actually microtransit not NE well I guess it could be a public service but I sent you that photograph free me Newport Richie has a the dart shuttle that they kind of run around their downtown like a micro when we get into the parking Solutions there's a picture of this um it's called the freebie they actually saw it in D this past week they have it in St Pete Beach down but you can you pay the the company by the it's like almost like a rental car you pay by the hour for this and they always have a Ada accessible van and um and also I heard that dot pays half of the price for two years that's correct yeah they actually reached out I think was it freey that uh talked to us something like that okay so let me let me take a crack at this one maybe phrasing it how would you like to get to the and I guess we probably would say what are we calling the area in general like if we're not necessarily the city I mean this the planning area with with with the transportation aspect of it for public transportation most people are going to ride their bike Walk Golf Cart car because it it's 2.7 square miles you're talking about residence so what kind of public transportation option would you like to see I would love to go down and get on a water taxi and ride up the river to Newport Richie or ride out to the island or whatever we might have in the future within the area right jump on a water taxi can park downtown and go somewhere or get on a try and go down Grand Boulevard and go between two you know make a thing right so those are things that aren't necessarily getting into the Waterfront you're already here just gives you options to travel outside the Waterfront other than getting your car pulling out of parking and driving somewhere else you can actually walk to the Waterfront jump on a water taxi go down to Newport Richie and enjoy the downtown come back in your home bus is same type thing but there' be less appetite to jump on a bus to go Rich makes sense there but if you have a public transportation where it it's enhanced kind it enhanced experience it's much more that's why I said when you you list public transportation call out some of the things and maybe there's no tent for all maybe there people I don't care anything about that maybe we refer to it as like it has to be a destination you're you're looking at where you're going to have improvements to support these types of modes so maybe you say how would you like to get to or travel to water destination of the city I mean we've got this big area and we've got these three areas and we can't necessarily ask three times over for every single thing so isn't the draw really Cody River Landing maybe it's Cody River Landing the only thing I was trying to point out is it's a picture of a bus it say of public transportation I would rather say what kind of public transportation options would you would you like to have public transportation options and then you can rate it out but just Define what those are so people aren't just thinking oh bus I don't care about that why don't we call it Transportation options and that way it's not really tied to a public offering or not it could be somebody like a business that comes in fine so sure yeah because it a water taxi for instance that may be a not anything to do with the city not public transportation it's you know your pay it's a business that goes up down the river which is probably how it would end up being if it was what what Transportation options would you like to see in Cody rever Landing or the overall maybe the question is I would like to see public transportation options to different areas within the city as well as Newport yeah surrounding areas and false sure or false I mean prefer you can put that on the I do not prefer I prefer I strongly agree or whatever at least then you're gauging people's interest in a public transportation even within the city and then we'd have to say examp for example for example golf uh you know Intermodal transfer bus Water Taxi whatever trolley trolley I got it or we'll just rent scooters scoter think about those okay so the next one is parking here you go do you didn't want a golf cart here's a little scooter can't stop that that's right the next one is Parking Solutions um and this is in the Waterfront area so there's parking structure parking lots parking or on street parking and then I put like shuttle to a park a picture there was like shuttle to parking maybe that's maybe that's not really a because we've already talked about this Transportation option yeah I'm not crazy about this question because if a developer is going to do multifam he's going to probably put structured parking on the bottom because that's the only way it works so now you're saying you don't want Structure Parking I don't allow Structure Parking now so I can't even put a and even though parking lots are what everyone's used to and in Florida um utilizing them to a large extent in their most valuable area probably a waste of good space so maybe don't want to I mean May to Me Maybe is the question is do you want to see more public parking within the respective areas or even just really the Waterfront or or the adjacent Waterfront area as opposed to the half of getting there cuz you know a parking lot's $9,000 a space structured parkings $29,000 of space you know it's how much I'm not done yet I cut you off no you finished that's why I'm back yeah um the the so I mean maybe how much public parking do you want to see as opposed to the how cuz if we start saying people don't want Structure Parking then you know all development in the there is going to be off the it's the only way it works financially why I I kind of I didn't have a problem with the question and and the reason being is is that everybody's want some kind of parking got be a park right so it's not a question where you want parking or not what kind of parking you want you want to park in a parking deck you want to park in a parking lot you wanton Park on street I mean I I thought it was okay yeah but a developer has to provide parking for what he's doing in whatever he's building he has to provide parking but if he knows that if he knows maybe I don't know if they would see this necessarily but if they know that there's a a very high tolerance for parking lots as opposed to parking structures when they develop their property they would make it so that there was more I think this is a a public parking option yeah I think this is more of a public parking question than a because the developer going to come in and if they need to be able to Park their development they're going to figure out if it's surface or if it's probably going to be in Structure Parking under a building um see I I didn't take it that way so the way that I took this was from again the formative aspect of public saying well we don't want parking structures so Council then would take that and say okay we have to write a code that disincentivized parking structure and incentivizes parking lot surface parking or parking on the street or or yeah or or they only want parking structures so you know we would write that code so we incentivize parking structures and not you know surface Park I mean that's kind of how I took that yeah so we got to be careful with this question because and I just took it entirely different so but I agree with what you're saying that's exactly the end result is that you know you look at that if everyone says we don't want parking structures well counsil could take that saying well we don't have parking structur so write a code that there's no parking structure and in which case your development now automatically is that limited throughout the Waterfront over because there's just not that much property there would would the question be better to say How would how do you like to park when you come to we know how people like to park they like to park on a right they they want to park on the street and they last Park in a parking garage I mean if they had their choice so like in the city of St Petersburg number of years ago I worked on a parking supply and demand study in the downtown in the edge district and what they ended up doing was the price was paid parking in St Petersburg the pricing in the garage is less parking on the street is more of course there's public or uh private parking in conjunction with buildings but you know in an environment like that where the land's really valuable just like the land's really valuable on your Waterfront do you really want to have surface parking or do you want to have shops activated space to the same street the on Street parking yeah it sounds great but now you're opening up your rways and taking out more of your Development Area I the end day you want to park as close as possible to where you're going you do and so and the reality of that is is that's a parking structure in water district I mean that's the answer to the question have anything El Let It Go but I didn't want you to okay go ahead 5446 bluepoint Drive I think you can tie the public transportation to the public parking because first of all we're not supposed to park on the street and one of the things is every time you have the fireworks down there they Park up and down the streets they don't enforce that which then forces the people to walk out into the road down Old Post Road and it's busy especially at that time people are driving and it's dark so that's crazy so why don't you think about incorporating a parking uh area offsite remote and then have your shuttle and your shuttle run at certain times they pick you up I would ride a shuttle I would pay to ride a shuttle jump over to Newport Richie have a drink jump back I don't have to drive I'm good I'm kosher you know I walk down to the Waterfront yes but I it's almost like I take my life in my hands sometimes walking on the side of that hill and the way they go up and down the road on Old Post so there are things that you could do to tie these two together and make it more acceptable in that aspect and and like I said you could even access Newport Richie's parking garage and then have the agreement to shuttle them over here shuttle them back different things like that because they like people coming down to their their um downtown area you know even the um the water taxi could be tied with a same yeah but if they if they have a designated area to park outside or like you said have pickup points around the city that would be the way to go and that way that would eliminate a lot of traffic especially when you have these events and and different things like that good good comment so I'm I'm just saying is is if you think through this instead of I'm going to say no to parking you know where are you going to put a parking structure down there that's that's very limited space you know plan I think had it over on um catches if I recall correctly I mean those places have put a parking structure that's about the only place there is and it's down there by the the new Marina so but you know those are things that I mean I think if you tie a couple of these things together it'd make more sense there is a linkage between if you're not driving Waterfront District you know you need to have a shuttle and if you're using public transportation you're going to need to have you know it's not necessarily going to be able to drive you everywhere inside the district so you need to have some yeah and you need have a designated place to park when you're coming out from outside of the area so I would I would caution this because the the problem with public transportation is it sounds nice until it has to be paid for and having been places that have done the the surveys it's like if you say okay how about a free shuttle now who's a free shuttle free to it's free to the people write it it's not a free shuttle because it costs money and so if you ask the question are you willing to pay tax dollars for a free shuttle you get a different answer than you know do you want a free shuttle and the same thing with like water taxi is that that if you say hey would you like a free water taxi everyone will say I love a free water taxi you say if you want a public funded free water taxi that changes just just but wait it it it it's the same way as you go would you pay $1 for a water taxi would you pay $5 for a water taxi there's a point where people say well I'm not going to pay $10 to go from point A to point B because I could walk there I could get my car and it costs less and so I I what concerns me about this is morphing into a bigger question that if you don't ask those questions you you get people saying well yeah we want we want this shuttle but once you go back and say okay we're going to do the shuttle and Council says okay we're going to pay $330,000 a year to do the shuttle then we have a council chamber full of people saying we don't want you to pay $30,000 of our tax dollars to pay for a shuttle for people from Port Newport Richie to come here right so I mean we got to be careful when you get to that step and you have this preference on the table then you need to evaluate it yeah you know it's not like a promise it's C it's just a let's look into it and see if it's something that we can't afford or if there's another way maybe there's a private provider what what is the value though to counil on that in this planning study that we're doing effectively for development in that area but I think you could you could really charge a dollar a couple of dollars per trip and that would be worth it because of if I'm paying for parking somewhere you know that saves me from paying for parking and and again it it's a dollar to or two dollars to the person that's writing it but at that rate you don't pay for the provision of it so it's a different it's a different public policy question based upon perspective so you know for me you know I would you know I've I've been to very large cities and and I prefer to use public transit than to drive my car because it's cheaper right but I know that you know my two or three dollars that I pay to get on the subway to go from point A to point B isn't paying for that Subway and very very oftentimes you know their writer charges don't pay for it there's a public um you know component to the the funding of it right that is a different question that gets asked at a different time I mean you know a lot of public transit even I'm pretty sure that that wrers ship is not paying for the Pasco transportation that we have it's probably a pot of money not only taxpayers but also the federal federal taxpayers as well paying for that same with roads right absolutely and but but to me that's that's a whole different set of questions to be asking right not getting in here I mean you know I think from the standpoint of you know we want to be able to say that you know we're preparing so again you know if people want to park on the street that's a different ordinance that we have to write in terms of you know when you come in and you want to put a building up well you now have to accommodate on your property this extra RightWay that's going to be for because you know we're not going to build that they're going to be building that that's right yeah and and if you want the ility to have a bus pull up in front of that again that's their right away that they're going to have to figure out how to give to us ultimately for it but it's not the public policy question from the standpoint is the city going to pay for that and so I I think that's that's where we we start getting off you know even going back to that you know public transportation on US 19 again that's that's a greater public policy question that it if you ask our residents they're going to say we don't want that stinking bus so is there a choice maybe there's a choice about how like who is accessing or what vehicles are accessing the Waterfront District you know is it is it a walking only it's almost likee I I was thinking it's almost like saying do you want this area to be bike friendly do you want this to be golf cart friendly do you want it to be car friendly you know which then kind of leads Council to understand what type of amenities that they need to to make you know allowances for there I mean okay do you sort of inform the the survey taker that there's limited space like so sometimes if you want to have everybody comes by car then maybe that's difficult to I mean you can't park them all necessary just wondering if if there's a I like the idea of the do you want this area to be car friendly or or bike friendly or walk friendly or that might be a way of getting to how people want to actually move around the district itself as opposed to getting there but two different questions I mean I was gonna say kind of queing off you you said for the Waterfront area instead of saying what type of Pary because the eies are going to take care of what type of parking by itself and you especially there you really don't want to restrict what type of parking people can do um let them figure it out on their own property for whatever their usage is maybe our question is how do you get to the work do you use your golf cart do you walk do you drive and um again my guess is most residents are either walking or taking golf carts some probably do Drive businesses have to take care of for the parking for their usage whatever it is so I'll use gild dogs as an example they have concerts they have to make parking for their concerts now the re the way they do it now is the big open field you know does that eventually turn into a parking garage that's kind of up to whoever owns gild dogs whenever they own it we're more worried about do we need to make room for um a bike path do we need to make room for a golf cart or do we need to make sure we have ample sidewalk areas or do we need some on street parking because some people didn't take their car in um you know that's my thoughts instead of these three it's really how do you get there and utilize the the the individual space and you can ask the same question for the other Waterfront area too because that may be a different answer don't especially since you can't cross 19 very tight right everything like as far as it's about choices have all of the you on street parking sidewalk cafes uh side walks bik Lanes just can't fit everything it's almost like it has to be and maybe it's valuable I don't know what's going on in those areas and and like he said if you ask oh do you want a public parking garage sure why not you want a public parking garage at an extra two Mills to your taxes hell no so are we going to think more about this how would you like your journey to C River Landing maybe you could extrapolate from that as to how people would like to get to the other part of the Waterfront that you know maybe they'd like the opportunity to um take a shuttle bring their golf cart walk like that sort of thing or how do you want to move around in the district once you're there I think it's F saying that you should strike question on parking yes we'll do that we need parking for sure well you're going to get parking zoning already requires parking yeah and it anticipates a structure I believe in the Waterfront over District okay let me to me this way this is is is it's reducing the footprint it's reducing the density of of any potential development that occurs well the worst part though you may not even be reducing the footprint you're essentially taking away from Green Space so if you get a high response oh yeah I want a lot of green space but then you're forcing people to put in parking surface they're they're mutually exclusive essentially yeah I agree you know also in this next phase we're talking about going after maybe a state Grant to do this I were talking but in that process you would a regulating plan and then a code based on that regulating plan you know if you did something that was more form based you actually could lay out what the street the a street the B Street the C Street and that way you could actually show I mean that's a second opportunity for the public to be involved so doesn't necessarily need to be nailed down here but at least if you get the development um intensity nailed down through this process that next step of the phase could be the sort of um intricacies that you need to flush out to be able to serve those uses this is this is just a first step in a bigger picture of what we have to do if most people come back we want lowrise buildings with lots of open space and that well then that's kind of really defining your path forward and if we do want to them to spend time on three districts and telling us what kind of development intensity that they want and development and lipes then maybe some of these other things like parking or even Street features are and and we just explain that that's another step in this process you think okay I'm not crazy about question 11 about which one question 11 we're not there yet oh yeah so because you can have Lush native landscaping or you can have oral native landscaping or you can have ornamental Lush Landscaping I can also see if you were to do the a street B Street SE street that you would show a palm or you would show a canopy tree but do we need to lock that down it seems a little too detailed for this juncture great and then the next one is you want do you want a lot of landscaping yeah okay there you go well I think there's usually in streetscaping people think do you want Palms or do you want canopy you know do you want the or you just how important is Landscaping to you strongly very important I don't care I would think that it'd be how important is shade to you maybe that's more of the maybe that's more functional how important is not burning your face off right how important is that there to be a hat shop there so cover up so should we take out the Landscaping yes yeah the next is architectural style I'm not crazy about this either because one you're not talking about a residential area at any juncture so well the idea and I have these questions the idea is that you may have a tall building but you certainly have the first two stories that tend to be the you know you step back to something taller but that first couple of floors could have architectural features that follow one of these things are you going to get Florida vernacular in a in a large building no but at least the street facade could kind of take on some of those elements I think the better path forward with this is one focused specifically on the WOD because that was the one where everyone was kind of talking about I know originally everyone was talking about a fishing Village yes maybe talk about a fishing Village versus a contemporary um whatever and get that so instead of these four houses get fishing Village versus whatever the other Solutions were were there ever any images of what fishing Village was yes they did generate them when they were actually doing the drawings for um the walk paths and all of that when we were were talking about the one way uh airs gave us three solutions there were a couple themes in that yeah there was different themes and and different ways so we have that identified um actually I think the CAC and you may know didn't the CAC do do a survey already what what they wanted to see in the Waterfront was it a fishing Village or a I thought CAC kind of did a survey to that extent that would be surve they did Linda did a surve Linda did Sur and IUD the outside yeah we were I know remember it was just targeting on the street Scapes and the boardwalk and how that Theme Goes um maybe you want to expand upon that a little further with the architectural of it but thematically you're not going to want to put um fishing Street Scapes and contemporary buildings in it um but you know I know they had that conversation already well it's it's it's stipulated within the WD that that's yeah yeah it's a fishing Village them type yeah we want to reflect other options if we want to change that theme because now's the chain do you want to ask the question about should the fishing Village Theme go forward or are there continue the fishing Village Theme in the WOD District or do you want to go to an alternative please please indicate please you know and people are gonna say I don't know another alternative other than fishing Village let's go with it so you know on that you know a lot of this is eye Lev stuff as you're traversing through the waterfront that's right so you could really have a I mean if you think about like a Margaritaville restaurant you know you look up and there's contemporary multi family housing above it at eye level it's so you know when you fishing Village what does that mean really you just want little fishing Shacks or you just want to feel look feel like that at high level that's what I would ask too like what is fish it's not really an architectural style it feels like a I don't know I guess you know it when you see it it's more like a quaint um Florida vernacular type you know is it is it uh the northfleet store up in arpa or you know that sort of you know I don't know that there's that actually an architectural detail probably just more of like things that are hanging you know like is it a yeah more Earth Tones and Woody type structures and and were there any ship shipl sidings and that are there any historic districts that Encompass that kind of that Cedar Key maybe or I can give you a great example okay and it's not fishing Village but it's a mining town right it's in U it's a black CLW Colorado they they kept all the original facades of the downtown or whatever and their their big casinos inside is well New England does that all the time I mean they have their their quaint and they all the new structures come into the same old quaint New England style fishing Village it's just happens to be there another reason I bring that up is usually historic districts have those uh the the guides for you know what what the look is got or what the technical term is but that would help explain what is a fishing Village the fishing guide what fishing guides you mean if you had no like most most historic districts would they'll have the for for you know no no no no so in in their ordinances so it lays out you know if you're going to do something to your home here's the guide on you know what what this District means and what we're looking for so you you have a set of you know uh specifications yeah an architectural guide and they actually have to go through a historical uh committee review and approval too to make sure it aligns with yeah and my my point is that that that defines what that look is and if you have a historic fishing Village pallet set you know somewhere in the State of Florida you could grab it yeah I was gonna say maybe what we could do is when we ask this question should the fishing Village Motif or theme continue we could have a couple of elements that like represent fishing Village maybe somebody El other and then that would give the public a sense of what that is and whether or not they like it and if they think something else would be more appropriate because I can I can take you to places in Ohio along Lake Erie that fishing Village means two different things oh my gosh one is these very small buildings that you know a couple of them may be like you can buy your beer and your your baits and maybe the next one is is uh you know housing for a couple days or I can take you another place where you know it's a nice boardwalk and you have businesses along there they're both considered fishing villages along and I'm sure you go someplace and it's a canery yeah yeah I guess that's the difficulty is that that if you just say a fishing Village as I think we've now beaten it could mean something different to everyone so you have to have that common this is this is what the city means by a fishing bill Village right yeah you have to nail it down somehow yeah and and we don't know that there's ever been something like that textual guide other than I guess we'll look at what he is put together for the yeah and they they were conceptual ideas and I mean there was a lot of conceptual stuff but they did have um some uh uh touchy Fey conceptual okay uh schedules put together for and and Council looked at him and says yeah that looks like a fishing Village yeah basically what happened yeah okay that's then then you know it's just putting words to a picture if we do have that I think yeah exactly okay I'll get [Music] those okay where are we the last one is uh Gateway features and this might be I think this is too much in detail personally I think so to you guys think then we talked about demographic questions we already talked about that so I mean I I don't think the master plan's going to be influenced by this one way or the other agre let Council fight it up or whatever they want okay so I will go back and put this into shape we have just like a couple days we want to get this so if we have the um Community open house on the 30th does that sound okay that would give us three weeks from this Thursday to get this massage put back together uploaded to the Survey Monkey site and then s's going to help us put it on the website is is the is the workshop after you've compiled all the responses right so we're going to have three weeks prior to the workshop and then we're going to have the survey also open a week afterward so that anybody who missed out I mean they could take it at the open house but if they wanted to go home or they wanted to tell their neighbors hey we need to do this so we'd have it open for a full 30-day period CU it was you said the website was gonna go live on tomorrow if it's Thursday probably we we're not going to make it live until we have the survey because everything says take the survey all of our flyers and things so and how can the workshop is so far into the month it's three well Thursday would be three weeks so this Thursday would if you count out three weeks it would be 30th and at the workshop they have opportunity to take the survey as well I guess they can we're actually going to have boards so these images will be on the boards and people can go to the survey we'll have some tablets there but they can also just put dots and also write sticky notes at the workshop so they have a couple different ways of doing that is it was it always the plan just to do one public Workshop there's actually um so in early June at a city council meeting there's going to be a feedback so what we learned through right we gathered all the information was and that will also be a public input opportunity the the survey is designed or is the thought of the survey is to take place and having multile meetings so this gives people the one opportunity to come here in person [Music] on come or you can participate in line or you can do both or online or you can do both um so just to make it as convenient as possible and of course it's really important that once we have it live that we're all getting out there and making sure that people know about it so we'll be using social media press release um you know calling up our friends say get the word out you know I been thinking we could do little maybe we could do some little business cards just with a QR code oh I have a question for you so when you we tell people about this the survey do you want them to go to the website and click on the survey or do you want them to go straight to the [Music] survey right now we have a website and we can have a QR code that takes you to the website and then you'll see right at the top take the survey but that way at least they would have the benefit of getting some background without put putting all that in the survey I don't know how you feel about is it one more step that you essentially lose them or is do they benefit from if they want to read they can read a little bit too to the city website or yeah there'll be a page on the city website you click to go Ser yeah so so the QR code what she's talking about QR code to the page of the city website for this process oh okay and then on that page they yeah and they would go survey it wouldn't take you to the city website then you have to find where it goes it would go it might be better to have them go to the city website because they can go back to the city website as information is posted it's almost like that's the One-Stop shop it'll have survey link later on it'll have documents so it could have sort of a continued life but we get people used to using that that URL and finding or at least knowing that that's where that's where all the information lives because we typically put the documents Flyers how about let me ask this question because I love to stuff throw monkeys in Works how about I'm just afraid of you're taking them to the website then they get lost or then they get tired and they don't want to fill it out or whatever maybe take them directly to the survey clear concise compelling wording on the survey questions but you can always put for further information then take them back to the website then they can bounce back and forth so okay you know for instance for I don't understand what multifamily uh or multi uh uh mixed use uh multi-story is after reading brief SC scenario of it could be all of the above or what however you do it if you're still confused here's the website type of thing and then have that further so instead of if they can't figure it out from the bullet points then at least then they can go to the website for further information and do that with in some context with all the questions that kind of further explains it if they're still confused but if they're if they're not confused and I don't feel like going you're not losing them by that extra step yeah it was I just didn't know which way would be better because you want to have interruption or friction then taking the survey but the website will be where all the information is but I think if you if you link back in the survey to that then at least they know that they're yeah at least then they can changee it and then they're seeing the website too and then at the end of the survey you can say for more information on this entire project go see the S go see the website and then at least if they if they want to spend the time then they can start chasing it all the way through and and finding it just you in a navigation process if I pop out of the survey make sure that they go back in where they left off they don't lose what they've done have to check yeah can can it open another window and and whatever there's several ways I've also been that you jump out and then you start all over that would not be good yeah that would not be the preferred path forward and happen we we'll test there's nothing more frustrating than that too well thank you I appreciate it thank you I know it's that's it that's all we had to do we we had some more to do but I don't know if you want to yes we can motion to table that if you want motion to table uh item number two think that would be the most I second that all those in favor iOS okay aable when's the next meeting [Music] I am out of town the third week well Tuesday Wednesday Thursday of the I think the 20th the week of the 20th you're out of town to be good the 20th or you suggesting to be good 20 I'm out of town the 21st the 22nd and the 23rd about the 16th and then we've got the workshop on the 30th yeah what about next week next week Monday 13th do that clock yep do that okay oh you can just he