##VIDEO ID:Imn6THlmmls## good evening ladies gentlem I'd like to call to order the meeting of the planning and Zing board meeting this evening it is Tuesday at 6m please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance United States of America for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty I have a roll call please chairman Shan P here member Randy stout here member Lorie Simpson here m Joe here member Michael FZ here City attorney Nancy Meyer here okay thank you all right little in-house business first regarding the minutes we have minutes from the last meeting no no there are the minutes for the last meeting okay fantastic all right um our City attorney is going to give the public um the load down for how we're going to run the meeting we're going to kind of shift the normal way we run it uh and she's going to give you the the procedures and how we're going to do it today because there's a lot of people here and we want to get everybody's questions answered so we can hear what you have to say and see if we can move this along all right thank you thank you good evening everybody um instead of having public comment what we're going to do is let the um planner present her report and then the developer will have an opportunity to present any information that they would like to present to the board um after that um we will then go into the public comment some of you have signed up some many of you have not you're going to get three minutes a piece you can deed your time to another person and that person can only go to maximum of 12 minutes if someone's going to do that the person that's getting that time you need to come up with them and put your name and address on the record and and indicate that you letting them have your additional three minutes so they can speak longer than three minutes um we're flipping it around and the idea being that once you hear from the planner and the developer your questions may be answered or it may trigger a question that you didn't realize you had um so we wanted thought that might help you guys out to to make sure everything that's in your mind is either clarifi the question can be asked later to make sure you understand it um with that I think we're ready to go Wonder all right all righty thank you good evening everyone my name is Tammy Verana with Verana Consulting out of Safety Harbor I serve as the city's uh on call city planner so whenever you have a resoning or future land use plan Amendment or development review I help out wherever I'm needed so I'm here tonight as City staff to to report on three different cases case one case two and case three according to your agenda um and then um I'll be available for questions so the first case is a request for a text Amendment to the city's comprehensive plan and that text would be included within the goals objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan um let's see here so the purpose of this public hearing is to evaluate that request to change the comp plan policy that text to ensure its consistency with the comprehensive plan and its impact on City growth and development to ensure that there's public participation opportunities for public comment and to provide a board recommendation to the city council from the Planning and Zoning Board and then of course to comply with all legal requirements so the request tonight is to amend the what we call the gops the goals objectives and policies of the city's comprehensive plan to add a new future land use category so this is a change that would happen in the comprehensive plan this is not zoning this is not uh development review this is a broad policy statement relative to Future land jues within the city those land jues are um exhibited on the city's future land use map so once this text Amendment um if it is approved then it would be available as a category for use by um anybody within the target area we'll talk about later um to apply to their property so the proposed text but there's a little picture and I'm not expecting you to read that and I did make a a point to go through and make everything very large font so and I appreciate that comment because it's very important um we had uh received an application and that was based on that first staff report you saw with a lot of strikethrough and underlining that was updated back in August since that time we've worked with the applicant the city proposed some uh text language based on the applicant's text language and then they counter back with some more and we're really really close so what I'm going to do is I'm going to pres present to you what the proposed text that we received last week um and we going to go line by line and then I'll tell you what um how it might how the what the difference is between that and what uh another consideration that you may want to consider so the proposed text um it's in your packet so I don't want to go by paragraph by paragraph or section it's not too too terribly long so it's States the intent of the Cody River Landing US 19 Corridor which is the category name um that future land use designation is to enhance the unique character of a Waterfront District that respects Port Richie's natural assets while integrating a mix of uses for a revitalized economic focal point along the Waterfront and US Highway 19 the Cody River Landing designation capitalizes on its unique location to create a vibrant destination offering enhanced community and recreational experiences for a diverse population while leveraging the beauty and economic potential of the natural Waterfront and it goes on the Cody River Landing us19 Corridor designation establishes the maximum residential density and non-residential development intensity to enable mixed use development for which there is adequate public facilities services and infrastructure to support the maximum Del development potential of the land use category and additional constraints or conditions to ensure consistency with the comprehensive plan and ensure compatibility with surrounding land jues so that's sort of the spirit of the land use category it goes on to state that the locational characteristics is that this this land use category would be applicable within an area that's shown in the land use strategy map which would be a new map in your comprehensive plan it identifies the locations that are appropriate to be designated with the Cody River Landing US1 19 Corridor on the future land juice map so this is the the look at the boundary not all my my scribbles but it's the requested location that would be applicable to the new land use category just doing a rough estimate of the acreage within this area um is is 24.6 6 that's using Property Appraiser's data if you less out thead roads which of course do not count towards your uh development um uh entitlements it comes down to 17.32 acres overall now within this area 4.92 acres in the uh old mobile home park are outside of the Waterfront overlay district and I bring that up only because I know that everybody's familiar with the Waterfront overlay district and then the area to the South is about 19.74% .32 acres so moving on the second section is all properties designated with the Cody River Landing us9 Corridor land use category shall be zoned with a planned unit development District to ensure alignment with the comprehensive plan and adherence to site specific land use and development standards so this is a a little bit of a unique thing in the comp plan but this one does say that we the city does want to have a little bit more control um and to really tailor the land use regulations to these sites um that would be affected part three is the following are the permitted uses and maximum levels of development within the Cody River Landing US1 19 Corridor land use category the general range of uses includes retail sales and service office overnight accommodations moderate and high density residential public semi-public and other uses as indic indicated in the Waterfront overlay District so referring to the work that the community's done on that zoning to make sure they're not lost um and and then submerged lands are generally excluded from the density calculations when determining the development potential of the property and then these are the permitted land jues so there would be commercial actually this is a mistake it should be all or I is it does it say commercial in yours your mine say uses all use that's what it so I took from an old one so it should be all uses 2.0 floor area ratio and then the bottom one would be multif family residential 60 dwelling units per acre and I I think I should stop right now and to say that dwelling units per acre is a measure of density so it's it's a different type of measure than for floor area ratio which would be building U measuring somewhat of the building box so the building so what we're proposing here because of the being a more urban type of development more mixed use more vertical potentially mixed use is to not have those separated out where you have commercial that's F floor area ratio and you have dens or residential that's density but actually you would be measuring both the the size of the box would be measured in F so it would be a maximum of 2.0 floor area ratio which is the ratio of the building to the size of the parcel that it sits on and then within that box you could have up to 60 dwelling units per acre so it gives you a sense of scale more so the residential density doesn't really tell you is are they going to be little units or big units so so this is the last section guiding principles so item four at the time of rezoning to planned unit de District development District consideration shall be given to but not limited to the following and these are all of the different uh development related considerations that would be um handled at the Pud zoning stage we'd look at Transportation impact mitigation vertical and or horizontal integration of uses semi-public realm features and distribution those are those places that you know they may be public spaces they may be business places that are like sidewalk cafes so it's kind of the semi-public realm compatibility with surrounding existing and planned uses Economic Development objectives connected Street system and design standards for compact development pedestrian and Transit oriented design principles adequacy of existing and programmed public facilities and services such as water sewer storm water and the whole range of Public Services the building placement the orientation on the lot the site features that strengthen the relationship between the uses and The Pedestrian realm building intensities orientation and massing building massing to promote commercial activity and create a sense of place the placement and extent of parking landscaping and shade treatments protection of environmentally sensitive areas including flood plane and buffer zones and tree protection so then we look at this text amendment in terms of its consistency with the comprehensive plan so the first one is relative to to the Future land use policies and I put a little little check if it's consistent or a little X if it's not this one's generally consistent because right now you don't have a category so it's not like fully consistent but once if this is adopted then it would be so essentially your your comprehensive plan was I think the first plan was probably adopted in the late 80s um it hasn't been touched too much over the years it has a very Suburban um land use category um what mix you know the land use categories are very Suburban low moderate density um the cities adopted land use categories U only support Suburban scale development if there is an interest in having something that's a little bit more urban as what a lot of communities are doing along the Florida's Gulf Coast uh or coastal areas then that could be something that um this future land use category could accomplish help accomplish so then we look at neighborhood compatibility relative to land uses so the future land use category supports mixed uses including residential retail and office uses but the current commercial mixed use category that's applicable in that map area that I just showed you also supports these uses it also includes some light industrial there's manufacturing there's some warehousing those types of uses would not be included in this new category relative to Neighborhood compatibility we look in two ways we look um well we looked at use I guess that's the use thing before this is the neighborhood compatibility relative to development patterns the area around these um this area is as I mentioned before low a moderate density low and moderate intensity commercial um the 60 units per acre that is proposed is it's a big jump from what's available right now you can have up to 18 units per acre in those of the commercial mixed use category and you can go up to a maximum of 6 floor area ratio um so for that for that particular reason because the area is characterized by low to moderate intensity development and the the patterns are very Suburban we we'll say it's inconsistent but we'll talk more about how that might be treated later on so this is showing the maximum development yield of the commercial mixed use category as I mentioned 18 units per acre is the the maximum residential uh density that you can have and the floor area ratio is a 6 if you can't take that gross acreage which is going to over calculate a little bit you could have 443 dwelling units in that map area or um a little over 600,000 square fet of non-residential uses by looking at what is being proposed at 60 units per acre and the 2.0 floor area ratio and that gross area so again it's overstating about 1,479 dwelling units or a little over 2 million square fet of all uses so your building sizes would be up to but not to exceed that amount if we look at the net Acres the 17.32 Acres I forgot my Acres up there um we show that the at 60 units per acre would be more uh just under 2,000 new residents and the um I'm sorry 1,39 units at 1.9 persons per household would be about 1,900 residents and then um under the 18 per unit at that uh net density you can see the difference 312 units or 592 residents and the box at the bottom which you may not be able to tell I I looked at the individual zoning although that's not part of this right now I just wanted to get a sense of um how the acreages were broken out by those different zoning categories so it's just FYI so we also look at in relative to uh development patterns consistency with a comprehensive plan we look at planning that's been done uh in the past you're well aware that there was uh a couple of different uh Intermodal District Master plans that were done for the Waterfront overlay District before it was called that and then there was also the Waterfront overlay District plan and uh zoning regulations and also um there was recently this past year there was a survey effort by the city to ask residents what their opinion was and so we we take into consideration um some of those considerations uh as far as if this proposed text amendment is consistent with the comp plan so on to consistency relative to adequate public facilities and these would be public facilities that are addressed in your comprehensive plan which include um well I'll get into that I don't need to tell you right now um so this is where you stand today as well August 2024 we looked at portable water supply your portable water facilities your Wastewater facilities that's your sewer and your uh wastewater treatment plants or well we'll get into that too Solid Waste storm water drainage your roads Parkland and recreational facilities we can see in the red are those facilities that are not meeting the level of service standards today so US1 19 um the stand City standard is is level of service D in the peak hour so if you think about from a grade from a to f f would be in worse level of service D is the standard but level of service f is actually how it's operating and then also recreational facilities um you know bike Lanes some different types of uh things that you would find in a park uh there are deficiencies under four different categories if we include those 1974 residents that we calculated before based on the area not the bigger the bigger but the more 17 acre one we see that the um oh so if you look at the parentheses that means deficit so if you see the 0.007 MGD if those all those residents move to this area and the city needed to serve them there wouldn't be enough water to serve them but and then portable water facilities likewise is also 0.11 um million gallons per day deficit Wastewater facilities are fine I believe the City of Newport Richie um since when I worked with uh on their comp plan years ago I think they have built a new Wastewater Treatment Facility in partnership with the county and they said that they have plenty of capacity that they would be willing to take um additional customers and that this area that we're talking about is within the Newport Richie utility service area Solid Waste Disposal the the city has an agreement all local governments do within the county for disposal at the waste at the resource recovery facility at out in Shady Hills and that's undergoing an expansion right now so capacity should not be an issue storm water management is something that's happened that happens at permitting so you just need to make sure that you're meeting those standards uh relative to the roads again we're still at L losf I don't know that anybody's really got a solution for US1 19 the city's notate all the traffic that goes to US1 19 it comes from a lot of different places really what we need to do is just manage it and make it as as safe as possible the has a PO a a what is it a proportionate fair share impact fee uh program so that you essentially identify what your impacts are and you pay a fee to the city to uh help fund projects that would mitigate traffic impacts on that facility uh Parkland you have plenty of of you've got 19.13 Surplus Acres of Parkland but still those deficiencies are still there and of course they're made worse by additional residents so then we look at consistency with other comprehensive plan elements there's nine elements in your comprehensive plan but we look specifically at at these being relevant housing policies the city's comprehensive plan um um has an ambition for adequate housing Supply and housing diversity housing that that meets the needs of the of local community we feel that adding new housing to the the community is in line with the city's housing policies relative to conservation policies these properties have been developed in the past and so of course there would be any sort of development review down the road to make sure that there are no additional impacts and may perhaps some enhancements to the um conservation resources within the community Coastal management policies same thing making sure that we're building to meet the needs of our um of a resilient City and then finally Economic Development you know this area of the city is within the City's community redevelopment area and so its objective is for economic development and growth and um returning uh revenues to the city to uh fund the things that the city uh that the the residents would like to see so we've identified some inconsistencies so what are the possible solutions um so we proposed some some changes so looking at the applicants proposed text we would take that Waterfront area out of the map area and I'll show you a picture in a second we would lower the maximum residential units to density to 40 units per acre that's in section three and also just because we're using an all-encompassing floor area ratio standard we would strike non-residential that's my mistake I I should have noticed that so we would have the maximum residential density and development intensity shall be so this is the proposed map and probably I probably should have taken a picture taken a shot of the um imagine Cody River man landing map but what we had done is to kind of boundary off the Waterfront area that was Waterfront one and then there was the US1 19 area which is essentially what you're looking at in the pink line um with the addition of the gild dog property that's to the east so the little flag pole I call it that goes out to the water would remain in the commercial mixed use land use category but the area in pink would be subject to the new land use category should the city decide to go forward with that and so I'm going to skip ahead and we'll save the questions so the next one oops I'm sorry I should have attached those all together there we go so the next request is for uh an amendment of The comprehensive plan again but this one is to the Future land use map and the applicant o is that me or you did I do that okay okay very good so these are the two properties that are um addressed under this amendment um and this the ordinance number is at the top so oh I got that ordinance from wrong again so anyway don't don't look at that part so the purpose of this public hearing is to evaluate a request to change the city's future land use map to ensure its consistency with the comprehensive plan and its impact on growth City growth and development to ensure public participation to provide a recommendation by the plan and Zoning Board to city council and to comply with legal requirements so this is a map of the subject parcel and their acreages and you can see that the total is 3.64 acres and those uh broken down are 3.37 acres um that are in the top the top parcel and then the bottom one is a small one at 0.24 Acres so the request is to change the designation on the future land use map from commercial mixed use the category to the Cody River Landing us19 Corridor which is the proposed new category that we just discussed so what are the key differences the commercial mixed use category allows up to 18 dwelling units per acre and up to a 6 floor area ratio under the uh proposed it allow the request is for 60 dwelling units per acre uh with a 2.0 F floor area ratio and that would exclude those light industrial uses that I mentioned in the previous presentation so what is the maximum total development allowed on the subject Parcels under each of these categories so under the current scenario which which is in place you could uh achieve up to 65 dwelling units and up to 95,000 in change floor area ratio under the proposed that would be 218 dwelling units or 3177 and change floor area ratio or floor area in square feet so then we think about is the request consistent with the comprehensive plan so consistency with the future land use map um both are under um both allow the same mixed jues so as we decided or I determined in the last one that would be consistent uh compatibility with let's see what I got here I got to go back now okay so this is compatibility with the surrounding context so the neighborhoods around it relative to land uses and development patterns we can see that the um existing land juices around that and it goes from north south east to west on the side and this might be a little bit small but I did make a copy of of my report so to the north you've got water in the public park to the South you have bar restaurant and surface parking to the east is a gas station and Commercial uh vacant commercial and to the West is uh a bar restaurant and surface parking the future land use categories in the area are commercial mixed use with the exception of Waterfront Park which is Recreation open space and the zonings are C2 Waterfront commercial on the subject Parcels also on the North and South par parcel C3 to the East and water to the West as I mentioned before we look at other planning is there are there um there's existing development patterns but there's also plan development patterns in this particular case um there is planning in the area but it is of a more low density it's actually what informed your Waterfront overlay District allows up to 15 units per acre or 18 units per acre depending on where you are so it is quite a bit different than what's being proposed under the C category so then we look at public facilities and services availability we know from what we just looked at before that there are some existing deficiencies but if you're adding 218 new residents you still have some Supply water supply and also your um public water facilities so there are no issues in that regard relative to just this one um part these one set of parcels and then we look at compatibility with the other plan policies and as I mentioned before there was consistency relative to housing conservation Coastal management and economic development related policies so what are the possible solutions to the comprehensive plan inconsistency so we're throwing out just some things for you to think about if the new land use category has been recommended for approval uh to consider amending the land use to the new category so you would through that by virtue of that you would eliminate those industrial use es that potential and also you would um have those design criteria those things that you would need to address during zoning so it's a little bit more specific than your normal comp plan categories um we would ask to take or we you could consider taking out that little piece to the West um that is west of the gild dog property and maintain that as commercial mixed use so it just has the 12 or 18 units per acre as its maximum and the last one is development design in that PUD process and through a development agreement there can be more um planning that goes into making sure that um things like uh you know how the impact is on adjacent neighborhoods the road Network the facilities would all be worked out prior to a zoning approval and that's that one so this next one's going to go quick CU it's kind of similar so this one is for the property at 8095 US Highway 19 it is also for a future land use map Amendment the same purposes we need to provide you know public comment get everybody's thoughts together and then provide that recommendation to the city council by the Planning and Zoning Board this is the parcel you'll see it's to the west of US1 19 um south of Pasco way total of 4.92 Acres currently commercial mixed use category on the future land use map the request is to use the new category of Cody riverlanding US1 19 Corridor the differences are you know we said the same thing before it's 18 units per acre today but under the new category it would be 60 dwelling units per acre or the 2.0 floor area ratio so the 4.92 Acres you would have up to uh you could achieve up to 88 units today or 128,50 square feet of um commercial or non-residential development under the proposed you could go up to 295 units and then up to 428 630 for all uses so again that's en encompassing your residential buildings as well uh same as we said before it's consistency with the future land use map uh compatibility with surroundings is a challenge public facilities and services let's let's go forward I can go through this so existing land juices around that US1 19 parcel uh to the north is single family residential multif family residential office and Retail to the South is a gas station to the east is US1 19 Auto Sales and Retail across the street and then West is public park bar and restaurant uh again the uh commercial mixed use category is applies as well as the residential uh open space for the uh and then also there's some residential um that's to the I don't know if that's correct or not though there might be some residential but uh and then the zoning districts that apply are the R2 two family residential C3 commercial and then the C3 General commercial again we look not only at existing patterns but we look at planned patterns patterns that have been established through the Waterfront overlay district and then the community survey um public input that was received so public facilities and services availability um for the 218 new residents is that is that the right I I did these so fast I want to make sure that 295 so but you know that um you know we're the city's bumping up on its threshold its capacity for water supply and water supply facilities and then the compatibility with the other plan uh policies is also uh found to be consistent so what are the possible solutions to the comprehensive plan inconsistencies if the new land use category is recommended for approval uh a consideration could be amending the new category that would exclude those potential for industrial uses and require those PUD res zoning and site design specifics and then also you know mitigating any of the impacts that are identified through the development review process and the resoning um through the Pud zoning and the development agreement okay I know I did that really quick so hopefully with repetition you kind of get the gist of it but uh I'm happy to answer any questions when youever you need me to you're welcome just we're do quick questions after we hear from the applicant first is the appli here somebody put the applicant fantastic okay ni all for true so how's everybody doing it's a little awkward I'm sorry it smells really good over here my first time next time I I mean ready okay all right um soone I think I've met a lot of folks or at least you guys have probably heard me talk more in the last several months than you have in my lifetime here um but uh really again you need to state your name for the record first off ran Burke thank um I live back in Harbor Point um been back there since 2014 uh again thank you guys for the opportunity um to come and speak today I think it's this is an important step in the process to really help you guys understand how we're thinking about it but also take into consideration feedback and and it's one step it's I think it's one step toward the next step of how we continue to engage that feedback to to refine things um we're going to walk through some different studies we've done and put together some different things that the the request of of several folks to help understand um a number of multiples what the city wants and we've heard that from some of the the surveys that uh Tammy and her team have done um what the economic impacts can look like and and then what that can mean for the things that people want um and then finally kind of looking at what are the differences in massing and density and trying to take that away from architecture take that away from design and just try to give some nice comparables of what the differences are in in densities and intensities um I'm going to let David uh one of my he's our architect that's been working with us diligently and and patiently on this project um let him kind of walk through the first part as it's uh going through some of the things that informed a lot of what he was thinking through um through kind of the conclusion of what what we're asking for great thanks uh David KBS and uh what we started with was the diagram that's up here right now is the diagram that that Tammy showed also and what we are looking at is um you know Waterfront one Waterfront 2 and then the 19 Corridor what we did is went back and started and say okay if we looked at what those were and we looked at the comments that were made um by the community and then looking at saying how does how would a plan like this in concept address this we're not we're not me we're not showing architecture today that's not it that's all part of that next phase that was said and Tammy's recommendations to say hey we should when you get to that phase let's have some idea on how we're going to handle those things so we get the architecture you want and you get the quality of the spaces you want as a future piece when when it comes finally to that next phase of the Pud but we did want to start out taking and listening to what that would look like um in concept so next one so what we did is and this is uh horribly difficult to see so I'm going to skip to the next one um this was a this was a um a snapshot of the previous one the previous one everybody wants it is in the report it goes through and looks at uh um all the different feedback for Waterfront one uh Waterfront one and the idea on that was is the goal on this was to basically make a walkable Community shops restaurants things like that would be in there and so that uh comment here shown 64% appropriate was saying that's the type of things that we want to see in this project are walkable uh neighborhood type restaurant shops and things like that the next one and going on to 19 um and we go to the next one was similar shops and restaurants clearly came up High um that one said hey maybe some could be some hotel resort types of things um could be mixed use buildings those would be compatible mixed use is already part of the the Zoning for all the properties so those were consistent with what it was and those uses that are in there are something we wanted to see too as part of the property um as we get into it so those were consistent those were things we heard um with it and then from there we started looking at say if those are the pieces that we want to have those are the pieces Community mind has how does that affect what the project can actually be what we could actually build to make that economically viable to make it a walkable Community to make it a livable place next one uh then we got into the height which was which was similar this talked about trying to keep it to um the the appropriate Heights we looked at Heights in the area we also looked at areas like Sand Pebble that has five and six stories next to single family residentials so there is consistencies in the area that have higher Heights mixed in with residential Heights in the community um as well the next one and similarly 19 said maybe we could go a little higher on 19 getting away from the Waterfront was was the uh result there next one and then in the planning area um they said what we want you know the bigger picture and this goes back to that walk up Community we want sidewalks we want outdoor cafes markets Parks all those types of things to be um in the project and really that's what started you know Ryan talk about the you know who they are as people but that's actually what started the whole project was if we can have those types of things then the project is a win um as a core so these were real consistent what we were looking for and we wanted to make sure we were focusing on those too next one so this was kind of a uh in your booklet if you grab grabbed one of them there this goes through and basically just an overview of the things that we talked about there um you know a high percentage if we look at that uh sub areas there walking Riverwalk outdoor markets pedestrian zones sidewalk cafes um those are the core and I think that was consistent with the original plans for the um Waterfront District in the first place too and which we believe in too next one so what we did on this slide then is we took a look and said okay if we're going to do these areas on here which we want little yellow dot on there is the is the site area um we know we have a problem in in the first place that's our wind and our problem at the same point it's a win we're on the water um but it's also a loss because if you look at look at areas that people are going to be able to walk to this community from we have we're basically dealing with a half a deck we can you know if we go to the West we have the water line onto there we're limited on how many people are going to be there or will ever be there so we we know in terms of making a walkable community and getting enough density to actually be a true walkable Community we don't we're not going to have that be why we we're not going to end up any any more people ever coming from the west side so that was one of our limits and then the red line which is 19 we know that's a barrier also it's a wide Road um that we do have to pay attention to the limits of what that Road's going to end up being for us too if we're going to make a walkable community so sitewise we have difficulties in getting our walkable Community pieces there the wind obviously we are on the water so that is a win a positive win but we have to play against the negatives in terms of making something that's economically viable as well as sustainable for the tenants that are going to be coming into the place cafes uh those type of things to make sure that they can actually stay profitable and live there next slide so this one we looked at a one mile radius and a one mile radius isn't really a walkable Community that's 20 minutes a walkable is more in the 10-minute range some people might stretch that to 15 some are at 8 minutes but somewhere into there um we looked at this and we can see from the picture in there we don't have a huge amount of density of of uh residential um within that density and that's a that's a one m range which again is not really walkable um in terms of what you know communities call walkable um but we wanted to start there and then the next slide we zoned into what's actually a half a mile radius and if we take a half a mile radius and look at 19 as a barrier the crossed out area across the other side and then we have the uh the river also um makes another barrier and then the areas to the West we actually we have the water there too um so our half a mile radius of of doing things that will that businesses that can F into that area becomes very small very fast um and we start looking at things like coffee shop or or uh ice cream those kind of things those are walkable very Community Based things if we were talking about things like um uh window tinting detailing those type of things those will take a bigger radius um but that's not the type of community not the type of program that we want to have here so we do have to be very conscious of how many people we have here can we get enough people to support the community the walkable type of places that we have knowing that we don't have them in how it exists right now so the things we want don't really line up with what we want how we how the program we want to get to and that leads us to saying what our solutions to do that can we raise the density on the property to get more people in here to start supporting the type of activities that we want to have in the property next one um I think that's a really important thing to call out like as a resident here and when we first kind of visioned this idea and saw this opportunity the the thing we wanted was one of the things we think is missing from the community which the community spoke and said that's what they want too they want retail they want more restaurants they want more shops they want more walkable Community Green Space um and so you know as we looked through this it's it's about keeping that Focus that's what we want too um as as an individual resident my wife my daughter like that's what we want to that's always been kind of our goal so you flip to the xile we wanted to jump into the economics a little bit and look at what does the city generate revenue from today and what are the options for the city to continue to increase Revenue um as things continue to you know people want better Parks people want better sidewalks the water capacity issue is is relevant um there's other water issues we know are out there how does the city accomplish everything it wants to accomplish with today's situation and what you'll see is from from taxable Revenue off of property taxes your adorm taxes today generates about 2.5 million in Revenue there's another big pool of Revenue there a lot of those are from the businesses from sales tax different things not going to pretend to be an expert we hired somebody to do all of this um but it shows where the city's at today and then your your option today of raising taxes which that sucks like just being clear like that touches every single individual in the city but it's the only way to increase Revenue in today's current situation that's very plain and simple because there's the option every year to raise the millage a certain amount um and and fortunately it's not getting raised for next year from what I've heard that's outstanding if you were to raise at the maximum in a given year it only generates an extra $380,000 of revenue for the city it's a small percentage but it impacts every single person in the city it's a big impact it's a tough pill for a lot of people to swallow if you go to the next page you see where is the concentration of of the revenue today from those taxes and it's kind of remarkable to see it's a it's a very low um and and concentrated grouping and so when you have a tax impact there's certain areas that can be impacted the most how can you maximize those areas but those are also the folks that you want to make sure don't get hit too hard and so you've got concentration risk here if you look at the Walmart property if Walmart woulds leave there's can be a huge impact to the city um and so concentration risk due to lack of uh sources for that avalor taxes is is something to be considered um and and especially in that Waterfront District when you look at the size of it 24 Acres was it Tammy 24ish Acres gross only generating $71,000 in tax revenue today um from adorm taxes flip to the next slide um so we wanted to look at like what does uh what are different scales of development actually do for the revenue just the economic impact only and using uh a study that was published um and put out there that if you look at an impact of just 200 units on a development you generate about 6.3 million in Revenue in that first year that's from a variety of sources um impact fees taxes there's but about .3 million Revenue there is a cost and I've heard that I've heard that from the community hey what about the cost of putting this in and a fire truck and the the police it's it's real it is but the study shows that you have a net gain a profit on that project as a city of nearly $1.7 million now if you look at then annualizing that and what they did here was they annualized based on Port Richie's actual numbers um so pulling in the the the public tax records looking at that they annualized it for Port Richie because it goes down after that first year the first year is where you get the big impact but still on an annualized basis you're increasing your Revenue by $2 million and if you just do an equal increase in cost you for at a cost of about 1.4 million ongoing to support it those are things like supporting the water continuing to help build the infrastructure to do that um and so a net gain of of nearly a half a million dollars which is about what we saw on the earlier slide which is huge like 20% of your revenue from adorm taxes in one project here and that's with 20000 on the next slide I'm going to spend no real time this is for you all to look at and see the incremental impact of increasing that more right so what does that look like in terms of net profit on an annualized basis and net profit on that first year that impact so why this is important to me personally is the parks is the sidewalks is the water is beautifying our city making our city better than Newport Richie make our city better than anyone around like make it a beautiful place that people want to come to and want to go to and want to hang out make it a place that's great for families it's great for pedestrians walking around an area and that's what these dollars can be used for because today you guys are doing a magnificent job managing a budget that is very tight but when you start Having excess you can actually start investing in all the other things that are really important to a community so as we flip from there um we want to look at you know what is the housing situation today based on growth patterns and based on current housing growth patterns in the area the study suggested that there's going to be a shortage of housing somewhere in the next I'd call it two to four years based on the growth in the area and looking that over the grow uh growth in the housing market in this area and that to me as a resident is a bit of a scary thing because I think everyone know and can read and find out about the the negative impacts to the area when you have a housing shortage and so what is what can be done to address that and suggest the housing shortage of about 500 units in 2032 that seems far away it's it's not that far away um so if you flip to the next slide then something that's really important that I think we all talk about being a small business is hard enough it is very challenging most small businesses fail the first 10 years over 65% of small businesses fail how do we make it so it's not as hard for them how can we support them if we want to if we all collectively want more retail more restaurants more things going in there how can we make sure we're not setting people up for failure and we end up with restaurants that close down we end up with retail shops that turn over every every every year because that business can't stay alive I think that's really important when we look at it and there's not enough good statistical data on a small business here that I can have access to or these folks can have access to when we work dealing with a national company they go in and they look at Starbucks development plans what do Starbucks look at when they think about what do I need to support another Starbucks with 1698 people dominoes same numbers now I can't say like I don't want a Starbucks back there that's my personal preference that's an opinion it's neither here nor there but a really neat coffee shop would be awesome in my opinion again and I think there's an argument to be made that it's even harder for a small coffee shop to do it because they don't have the brand recognition they don't have the the supply chain advantages the resource advantages but that argue on the other side that maybe it's it's not as many for them because there's there's that Hometown feeling there's that brand recog within the community just want to support local business versus Big Chain so maybe it's a little less than that but either way that's a lot of people to support one additional coffee shop and a lot of people to support one additional pizza shop um so if you go to the next slide you say like this is just again the area is growing we know people are coming we know this area is growing um so I kind of moved past that to the next slide which then I thought was very interesting it's where are they going going or where are they going to be able to go there's a lot of development happening in Pasco County it's on the the east side of Pasco County they've been building and developing for this influx of people we have something East Pasco County does not have we have a beautiful Waterfront they don't get that Advantage yet they're developing and drawing people there and so we can get people to this community generates more revenue for the city to help fix things that need fixing and at the same time get what we all want which is more of the retail walkable Community restaurants shops we can do that but we can't do it within the the the restrictions that exist today and that's what our goal is we want to support what the community wants but do so in a way that we can support the businesses the small businesses are struggling today there are small businesses really struggling back in that same area this would help them and allow us to expand beyond that um so if we go to the next slide I'm going to turn it back over to to David because this is again back in his area of expertise good so when we started looking at the um the spaces itself this is not meant to be a plan by anything of what we're trying to do we just started looking at it and thinking if if you were to do something here what it's going to come down to is the architecture and the character and the Pud when when the design process goes through through what the expectations are you're going to try to figure out how to get out of that to get the quality of the spaces you want um and next slide and the reason why I brought this up is because here's an example here you could come in build build a uh a multi-story building put it right up against the road and we'd end up with a space that would be um I'll say not maybe not not the space that we'd want to have as a city we'd end up with we could end up with a tall building and just by resoning it and putting this the zoning category it you could end up with that to Tammy's point when she's talked about trying to say hey can we can we put can we start to then use design as a way to start changing The Narrative of what the quality of the spaces we're going that's what we're after in the design side and the architecture side that's what I'm interested in is creating places where people want to be this is we didn't put this up to say we want to do this we put this set to say if you just broadly said hey this is good let's go ahead and go with this you could do somebody might do that that was not that we don't want that to happen but if you looked at what happens in the next phase of the project that's what we wanted that's what we started to focus on so the next slide here is saying when you when you start to bring step the building back for example make the street level where you have Cafe you know have awnings and signs and it's really the section of the street from the street to the parking area to the landscape to the awnings to the signage and in through it that's what we're after is how do we start creating those spaces that you want to have that's where the discussion really would start to turn in the next phase let's make sure we're getting those types of things happening um whether we're going down the street whether how we how we address the North End which is probably the most critical in terms of adjacent to something with the residential they we're addressing that as we go down uh 19 it starts changing we're not as adjacent to residential which is usually one of the biggest concerns when we get into projects is how we're abing residential areas the rest of it doesn't about residential as much um but the same we still want to make sure we get that experience that people have that walkable Community experience but yet can still make the density of people we want to achieve the goals to make it financially feasible for the the tenants are going to be in here next one um and again this would be something on the waterfront you could do that on the waterfront which makes a boardwalk but then you could end up with space on it or the next slide or we could start doing things where we start steing it back changing the scale and changing the um uh what what the user experience would be on it and that's where that's where the that's where the project starts to sing and that's where the magic happens for on in our world on design next one so then we looked at started looking at saying what's the the quantifiable difference between say a 40 and 60 unit um project and really for us it came down to again it's going to be the density of the it's going to be how the project is fast and the scale of the project we could do a horribly dense 40 unit you know bad for the bad for the area um uh 40 density or we could do something that does 60 density that becomes you know basically unnoticeable or even less impactful as we come along so there a couple images just saying hey the building types be depending on how you Mass it how you step it um next slide um and as you move around these are just different views of the same and again this is we're not saying this is the building by any means at all this was this was specifically meant to be very very very generic and massing um no character not about the detail not about the character we know we want to match um the goals of the city in those areas next one um and then next one um again when you look at 40 to 60 um again they there's each one of these had 40 60s on them that's not a noticeable difference based on how you Mass it next one and then as we're coming down the road uh the top image there was you know how we how we did a conceptual idea on the plan the top one is at 40 units the bottom one is at 60 units um again coming down 19 looking back at the property on 19 um showing again is how how you densify it is going to be the difference but really not there's nothing noticeable difference between the two next same thing uh as we get a little more into the project and looking at that's that's the difference between 40 and 60 the same thing next one uh same thing 40 and 60 again as we come around and next one again coming down um coming down the street again depending on how you step it you could get to where you can't you can see something or not see something again that'll all come out in the architecture and we get into it in the projects you know you're your request to go through with the architecture you know should be doing sections should be doing 3D images view view line view corridors all those things should be as requirement of the next phase of the project next again looking down and in again it's all it's all going to be in the architecture and the character and the mass thing again looking at 40 versus 60 and then the water front again we showed you a section earlier how we could go to the Waterfront we could do you know know potentially someone come in and do a tall building right along the edge or or we are we pulling it back one of the things that the density or the floor area ratios whichever way ends up going allows us to do is we can pull back we can make wider sidewalks we can make wider uh Pavilions we can do outdoor areas eating areas in those kind of spaces um and that's what we want to do we want to we want to try to make those public spaces given back to the community that's very private right now and a lot of the Waterfront is private right now we want to make that as public as possible um and in doing that going a little bit taller to be able to do that that allows us to uh meet the density requirements and access the spaces where people are going to be their view lines or where people are going to be standing and what you're actually seeing next one Ed it so I think the the the key that that David brought up that we want to make sure is extremely clear here is this we are not talking about any type of government subsidize or low-income housing we are not talking about trying to put something in that isn't very thoughtful of what the community wants and thoughtful of being pedestrian friendly we are thinking about how do we support the businesses that go in there um but I think you know most importantly is what we've proposed is not giving us this free Reign to go do something what's doing is it's requiring extra step and that's why we decided that the Pud concept was in the best interest of the city and its residents is it requires another step of Us coming to a design concept coming to something we do that makes the most sense for the city and we can't just go put something in there are some Protections in there around design a development agreement um committing to that and we we felt that that was really important my my wife and I as residents because you could do this and the reality is something could happen to to us tomorrow I don't know and then the next person comes in and doesn't want to be as Cooperative doesn't want to work with the city and and we didn't want that because we we wanted this place to be a walkable Community with all of those things that we discussed we just want that to be sustainable and sustainable long term for the city so that's that's our presentation happy to answer any questions you guys have so before I open into the public I'll ask the board if any questions for the uh the applicant I'll start to my left me start to the right all right fine well let's start with Mr fres uh I have I don't know that they're specifically to you I think there's some questions for you and for us to discuss about about the verbage in the amendment um but speaking to your point to get making sure that we're taking this step so that you can take your next step but not overstepping not not creating a problem for the city to that let something run away there's a handful of things in there that we need to talk about you know forget what we'll get to that note when we get there about where that could be used where this density could be used elsewhere in the city if we were aren't careful about how we do it um so I no I mean specifically to your plan I think you know obviously everybody's excited to see what you can do um but we need to get through this hle first and make sure that we're you know we're doing it intelligent my question is OS no it's not not at all um we have a pretty high intensity of of commercial retail restaurant I think we have have accounted for the the square footage of that it it's not it's not at all like every every single thing we've talked about has an incorporation of retail restaurant parking consideration um it is not at all all residential so if you look at the first paragraph of the text Amendment it indicates um what the intention is what the purpose is of this feature land use category and it specifically States mixed uses so um that's something that we would definitely look at during any sort of uh PUD resoning to understand what mixes I think it's one of the stipulated um section four at the bottom where we we talk about the mix of land juices so if the intent is for a mixed use environment which I you know very very clearly the community wants to have those sort of that downtown environment um that would be a I think a very important consideration during the Pud but is there something that says you have to do this much anything other than residential all I can say is right now we're just looking at the sort of um the box size and then how much residential so we can determine impact on public facilities so we haven't got into ratios as far as this comp plan Amendment but I guess you guys can answer what we we have we have heard yeah go ahead I want to go it's been a key piece of the project and on the architecture side that's the first thing they said to us I want a place I can go to eat I want a place I can go to walk I want to go get coffee I want to go to ice cream that is the driver first in order to make that sustainable that's where the other Pro other parts of the project came along is how do we how do we make those sustainable for a long time um so it's not somebody you know and that and that's where the density comes out of can we make it can we make those things sustainable but it's our a goal in 100% it was was to bring in the mixed use um and be compatible with what the city's goals are yeah and that's the key to do it within D require having that mixed use in there and creating that that ability to to do both but Pammy anything you so I I will let you know that under your commercial mixed use category that you have in the books today it talks about retail office and retail office and residential and it has targets like 50% commercial and 25% residential there are those things but they really don't end up being used I think really this the onus on the public space commercial accessibility is going to happen during the Pud I mean we can put some Targets in there Loosely but you can't really create standards because you don't know what the needs are of that particular location you don't want to create commercial on a side of a building that nobody's really walking by but you do want to have it on those places those pedestrian aisles where people are interacting act we call them activated spaces so you want to make sure that you're putting the commercial where it's going to be viable but I don't there's no intention of at least from this this text amendment to saying that it has to be single use and so if you think that that needs to be stronger that it's a mixed use we could always look at being more explicit well it just sounds like right now we're not cons we're not considering their project then we're just talking about the whole District right the comp plan it's a policy so we're creating a category under which the type of development could occur at the density and intensity levels that would make it viable whatever that is um and then that would be the first step so you have to have a place for this type of a project to live within your comprehensive plan and then next would be the details how much commercial how you know what are the traffic generation what's what are the width of the sidewalks need to be how many shade tree I mean it really gets in a PUD you can be very as you know you seen plenty of those where it gets very specific it's not just a regular zoning where you come in and it's you know it's just what the standards are in the in the zoning code this is open to tailoring whatever the needs are of that site that's in the spirit of what's written in the future land use category that's the way I look at it anyway okay thank you more um Tammy I think last time you said as far as far as comparison um that the county was 27 per acre uh units per acre and Newport Richie was 30 and I think you said tarpet Springs was 40 40 so I I've done a little bit of research I do know that um I I had to go back in and look at uh Council agendas in Newport Richie there is a small area within the downtown core that they do allow up to 60 with transfer vment rights so I believe now it's at maybe this you know the area by um the mcgurn building what's the what's the mixed juuse building downtown I believe that that's the downtown core where they're anticipating something up to 60 with performance you have to like do something to get that um what I've learned too from Pasco County is that they are consolidate they have a lot of land use categories so they're consolidating them and trying to figure out to make their future land use map a little bit more logical and manageable they are looking at um something between like a 12 and a 60 but where that 60 goes is probably going to be more an employment centers like more in the maybe in the uh the Moffet area or but um they're still early in their process but right you're right now they do not have a 60 unit per acre that I'm aware of I did speak with the planner who's updating the comp plan and the applicant was originally wanting 60 but now they're willing to go to 40 so the applicant initially wanted to have 60 and they're still requesting 60 um we decided that for the floor area ratio which is currently 6 uh the applicant ask for one but because this is a a vertical more of a vertical development where you're going to have residential and commercial in the same when you do Residential density and you measure that and then you're measuring floor area ratio it's like apples to oranges it's very hard to visualize but what we can do is if we do floor error ratio we can understand what's the size of the box on a particular property you can see those uh diagrams that are in the staff report and then we can also understand how many residential units because we want to know how much water to provide and we want to know how many Park facilities we need to have so you need to have a sense of what is the population potential population of these areas and that's what density gives you also in the past the state has always kind of required that you show some density you can do the measures however you want but they kind of want to know when you're estimating traffic you know you need to know how many units because that tells you how many people and it tells you what about Behavior okay and on this slide did you show an area of the south side of 19 for future reference did I see that one there Southside of 19 like like where the marinas are and the no this is the like Sunset Landing Marina and that part of the the area we're talking about for the the Pud okay but there wasn't an area on there that you showed on that slide that shows that area future reference just the two Parcels that the the five acre and three plus acre L we show but I'll tell you that the the text amendment applies to a map area right so it's either the full map area or the abbreviated one but you're right the future land use map uh requests are for those specific Parcels that you see because the name Cody River Landing was supposed to include like over by shark bites and and Hooters everywhere not just yeah so so what we're kind of the idea of um because during the re or the Imagine Cody River Landing we had those three areas so we had something that was a little bit more us19 focused probably more intensity more um um just more intensity along that Corridor versus what would happen in the Waterfront one area yeah because that was the name for to take to replace the Waterfront Hera District not just are I'm sorry I didn't I didn't it was supposed to replace Cody River Landing was selected to cover the whole area like yeah so we we selected a planning area because we thought that you know the all these areas kind of support each other we look just at the Cody River Landing which is a thing a place um but we could also look at what's going on east of US1 19 we could look at what's going on a little further up because all of that as you saw from the map um that kind of coordin everything off you're very isolated over here US1 19 is a giant barrier nobody's going to walk across it if they don't have to uh they might have a light that you can get across you can't cross the river on foot so um some of these other areas could also be created into very walkable places or bikable to where they can be customer base in Cody River Landing or in anywhere within that planning area but it really is kind of looking at that there's a there's a Redevelopment need within that whole area I know another thing that we've mentioned with the city is um we really wanted to have an area for overpass either overpass or underpass like under the uh Bridge course they wanted to make a golf cart accessible um and the county was actually looking at doing something about that um earlier we we missed the but they were still kind of renegotiating maybe down the line so one of the things that you'll see in the text are all those considerations including but not limited to and it looks at circulation so how it's not just car circulation it's bike and ped and you know it's whatever circulation is that the community wants to have out there but those are details that would get into during because I'll see these walkway overpasses way out and where there's nobody and we have the highest fatality in this area of pedestrians so we really need that age um I think that's all I had that's it and and also for clarity the reason for the 60 ass we originally put in a a cap whole area and We Shrunk the area down and the cap didn't make sense anymore the cap was to protect exactly I think everyone is concerned about that I would be concerned about too is okay if you do 60 and then everyone comes in and puts 60 on every single parcel it creates a lot of a lot of density so we had originally proposed a c can be used when We Shrunk it down the cap wasn't applicable rest for Max to create flexibility so that we can do more residential off the water more residential on 19 get less dense but more intense with retail shopping pedestrian area along the water but creating a ceiling is all there is then we're hoping with through the Pud process we can actually come to what makes a lot of sense and works for the city to to get out a development agreement done to to move forward so we're just putting a ceiling in Breer but there's no intention to put 60 on each acre we have back there it's to create the flexibility to do so in areas where it makes sense and not do so and scale back in areas where we want to scale back and and the city wants scale back just another note on the overall density of the whole property would be 24 Acres or was it 17 point whatever you know Acres when you took it your net Acres there's things like catches isn't going to be leaving it's strong business it looks great so that you know there's things already are that that maximum density that's shown will never happen anyways because there's a lot of good business there there's some good businesses in there that aren't going to be going anywhere either when you take the roads out and everything like that that drops it back it drops it back pretty fast so we looked at the you know the water do these projects water's fine that some of those ones can be fine for this project over time if somebody did that tear down catches and started to go bigger then you could have a problem but that's not really realistic that that would be the case to take down a new building has a strong business um in that way yeah okay um we got a few questions just want to know what the mindset is uh I if it's responsible and there may be new people coming into the area why do you think Port Richie has to accommodate all these new people coming into the area you already said that there's Eide developments and things and so why do you think that the city of Port Richie who's already made the comments that they don't want to have their bedroom type Community torn down and replaced with L highrises St Peach Indian Rocks Beach yeah happy to address that um I I stress again we have never played high-rise as anyone looks at the costs of doing high-rise it's extremely cost prohibitive we've never contemplated high-rise we've contemplated hey if we can do more retail on the bottom get get structured parking to free up more Park like using green space for actual good Green Space versus parking cars on it we could go a floor higher maybe two than what exists elsewhere in the community to accommodate some parking and some more retail and mixed juice and Commercial as an idea I that's that was where we were on that why do I think that the city needs to accommodate the people coming in I think there's plenty that will show you that when you don't accommodate with housing for people coming to the area you end up with increased crime you end up with increased um you end up with things you don't want here and I think most importantly I think it's because I want to support small businesses that are out here I I I want us to have things that people want to go to now that's my opinion my opinion I want to to do something that can support small business owners support some of the great things we have here today like catches Whiskey Joe's Robert's barbecue I want to support those those businesses struggle with what we have today I had a great lunch the other day you and our waitress came up to us first thing you said to her was rather very polite and said hey how's your day going he said it's a week day so really really slow that's really tough for businesses to deal with we have a a big population of folks that are snowbirds that are here part of the Year Gone Part part of you that makes it additionally tougher so if we can accommodate those people put them into really nice places and bring good people to the area hardworking people to the area and support the businesses that's why I think we should accommodate them okay um on the current economic Outlook uh it's got for 2425 a 7.53% increase no it's the mill rate that's the max allowed is a one but that's not what city council is looking at they're looking at a six point something which makes all these oh correct it makes all these figures incorrect no it doesn't what we're saying is if City someday did what they're not doing they're not raising taxes but within the statute they're allowed to so this analysts look at how much more Revenue could you in theory generate if you rais the mill rate by full point you guys aren't doing that we were just that he was showing what impact that could have on your total revenue and it's not a big amount it's not that's all that was sh well why didn't the analysts look at what they're actually going to do instead of was it was a study to look at potential Revenue sources for the city yeah but you know potential is wishing one hand hope in the other neither one may come come to pass on this right if if it stays the same you're looking at the left column is i s what I point you to the left column is it's staying exactly the same if you go below that and it'll go down from there the revenue to the city will go down from there okay um and then it's been stated before that uh the uh housing market would be stagnant or we be losing so if the city is really desirable as the older folks or people that get job transfers sell out then the uh price of their property goes up so that means the price of the taxes go up that was never taken to to account in this you make it sound like oh my gosh if we do all this stuff then you know you won't have a shortfall and if I'm saying that if we have a city that looks you know like it's a very desirable City then that's not going to happen anyway there's more people moving out of Largo St Pete's and and all those places down there because they don't like the looks of it they don't like the crime that's already been impacted and they're moving up here and now it seems that your company wants to put the same thing in up here that they've had down there and so where are the people going to go next because they they want Waterfront and they want to see that you know and even even the pictures that you've got mayor Hoover in particular and the city council argued for having Picket Fences that you could actually see through where you can see the water front you're not going to see the water front that is not a design it was as point out it was just to show scale and massing okay just to show scale and massing and they really show how you can be really creative and how you do that to make it so that you step it back you don't make it as tall in places where it can really impact a person's view um it doesn't contemplate the open spaces between those and it's a good it's create a comparison of the difference between 40 and 60 units and the difference between building to support that density very smart and responsibly versus building to support that density maybe in a much less expensive way but really creates something people don't want to see and and and can block and there's nothing in the current code today that would would restrict someone from building irresponsibly up to 72 ft and blocking that Waterfront I live here I want this to be a place that I can go to I want it to be a place all of our residents can enjoy I want it to support the businesses that we want more of and so that is the goal of of increasing the density I can't speculate on where people will move after they move here if it's not good but I can tell you if we don't do it well and do it right it's a lot lot harder to keep people here and so part of us really working with with Tammy and the city was coming up with a strategy that would ensure that we have to do it responsibly that we have to be smart about it more comment yeah one more comment on the waterfront the difference on what we're trying to do is we're actually trying to step the buildings back away and give access and make a boardwalk along the Waterfront if you look at some of restaurants that are around there they make you have to pay to go into their deck to see the Waterfront we're trying to flip that around where our stuff is back away from the Waterfront and you're actually walking along the Waterfront that doesn't exist right now that's what we're proposing to do so the board walk along the Waterfront is that what you're saying yes stops at Whiskey Joe's because they're not gonna let you screw up the beach their Boardwalk only do it what we can control and we doing everything we can control and ideally in the future as things come they will do the same thing we can only do what we can do and at least we can give people access to the part that we can control and that's our starting point is to to do the things we can do we can't control all the things that have already been done those are those are past but things that come in the future ideally they could access that you know have that and maybe eventually some things will connect along and that could in an ideal world that Waterfront would go all the way around the whole thing if what we're proposing let's start with at least the people the partials that we can control and let's get the Waterfront off there so people can't walk on it and I would argue that I think most of the businesses would really support doing something creative it's not going across their Beach it's going in front but most businesses would really appreciate more pedestrian traffic walking by their place because then people stop in for a beer people stop in to have a quick bite to eat so I'm I we can't control that today but we what we can do is commit that our plan is to move things back off the water to create The Pedestrian side on the waterfront where people want to be on the waterfront and want to enjoy the views that they get from there and that's we we want to work with the city very closely on this yeah I I see where you're coming from on that but you're your Boardwalk stocks after 100 feet when it gets to Whiskey Joe's and that's what the sidewalks are for and I don't think whiskey Joe is just going to sell out to anyone just so you can extend a boardwalk down to the beach because that first of all will destroy part of the value of the property down there to begin with people don't go down there so they can sit out in the parking lot and drink beer they go down there to eat dinner have drinks and look out at that uh small sand beach out into the out into the B agree but like I can't speculate on what that will happen we're we're we're pretty far away from there we're saying on parts we control we would want to put Public Access along the waterfront on the parel we control today um is or don't control today what we're looking to do with Eric and on his properties um we're able to close on make it make sense I I cannot like predict what will happen beyond that but what I can commit is we're thinking about those things we're thinking about how do we pull it off the water to create more Public Access those are are considerations and and why we want this in a PUD to where we can really be smart about about maximizing that so then why do you want to split out the FL Rao from where it is now so you can have all four area ratio yeah okay there we go there we go so um that was probably my doing uh because it's very difficult to to measure residential density one type of measure versus floor area which is another if you want to have a sense of scale put everything into a floor area ratio and decide how much of that can actually be residential so you don't think that that would open up to abuse it's pretty typical in in more vertical Le arranged buildings we've been in a very Suburban environment I grew up in this area I've watched it change over time everything single use and separated it's not working together that's why we have to get into our cars to go everywhere but if we have those places like downtown newp Richie or downtown Tarpon Springs or uh St Petersburg where you can actually park your car get out and walk and so those those um buildings actually become part of the frame by which you create pedestrian spaces so you know certainly design scale um all that's very important and needs to be figured out thoughtfully um but the way we're thinking about now is that this I thought that the floor area ratio would give you a better sense of the certainty of what could be built there because if you just do Residential and you just do uh commercial um density and floor a ratio for commercial you don't really get a sense of what the scale is going to be because res density can be big units or small units they can be you know so this way it gives you a sense of certainty with what the massing is going to be buildings on a parcel I thought it was a good thing but I'm I'm willing to be convinced that's your opinion that's not fact correct well it's it's something that's pretty typical in in urban more vertical mixed use environments city of Clearwater just that all of the US 19 Corridor with only F they're not even regulating density at all they just have F okay and do you not think that also that that framework that you put up for parking garages and mix use is not going to block off the view and make it feel more isolated in the walking Community when they walk down there says oh gee how do you get in there or you can't so as a planner I would say that in this juncture we're only giving sort of the the frame the maximum what actually happens in that and I think throughout the staff report you'll see you know the what's actually achievable is depending on many regulations you know your zoning there's a lot of standards that come into play as to what you can actually build this is the we look at the maximum relative to the Future land use um map and this category because we want to be able to assess impacts to public facilities and also to Neighborhood compatibility and things like that but the cooren a plan is a growth management tool but it also relates to community design so it's important but we do need to have like a ceiling we're setting a ceiling now a responsible ceiling in an area so it's you know location and extent and intensity and then later on with zoning with this PUD it's even more controll for the city that you could actually uh create those standards that are needed for a particular site so here's a particular site it has these types of uses around it's on the water and on it's on the US1 19 you know the design standards that go into that site would be very different from say an internal block or internal parcel on a block within maybe uh Cody River Landing I don't know but this allows a tailored design approach which as a planner as a professional planner I think is is more ideal than the uncertainty of what you just get with regular zoning okay because that'll give you everything that you see up and down US 19 that we've been trying to address for decades okay in in your one of your slides said that there was enough water you know to support this there and okay hold on according to the city of Port Richie Council minutes um and this goes back you know three four five years they said we're at 83% now adding another thousand residents and we're only a city of of touch over 3,000 that's 25% if you take 25% and add that to the 85% that we're already at then uh we don't have enough water to accommodate these folks so the way that my analysis the entire area which is looking at every parcel redeveloped every parcel catches came in It produced residentially units that there was a certain number I don't have it in front of me right now under that scenario where all the parcels within this map area would develop you would exceed your water supply under your water use permit with the state and you would also exceed your infrastructure your your Wastewater or excuse me your water treatment plant what we're showing is that with these individual future land use map amendments you do fall shy now whether or not you have um you should be working on additional Supply and working on additional facilities which I think that the city is working on right now but um but you're right you would you would be in a deficit position if all those residential units came to fruition in this area right now with those individual Parcels I believe it's falling short of but it's right there at the tippy top so it's definitely something that the city is working on right now okay and also touched on the uh traffic control okay in that area you bring in that many people we're looking at anywhere between 800 and 1900 cars where do you put them all on you mean on the Travel Lanes like yeah I'll tell you right now Old Post Road will be the highway to Walmart and for all of the folks that live down Old Post Road they won't be able to get into their areas where they live they won't be able to get out of the area where they live the speed limits uh needs to be adjusted and on top of that to really accommodate an older residents uh you know for the qu side to the east of Old Post Road and then the other residence to the west of Old Post Road that needs to be blocked off one way stop just short of the of the city park that's not been addressed right I I I agree your street network is it's you know it's actually very quaint and so but it's right it's a lot of two lane there's ditches on the side you can't necessarily build sidewalks or bike card but it doesn't mean that it can't be done and I believe the city is working on a comprehensive safety action plan right now that could come up with recommendations during this design process that you would go through with the Pud those things will be work out you'd have to be able to mitigate for the impacts and then relative to a development like this which is kind of a live work play potentially you could essentially come home park your car and then you know you don't have to drive out for the next weekend or people are working at home mixed use developments are have more internal capture they don't necessarily drive as much there's um uh I International traffic engineer um models that show what the the estimated peak hour demand is for different development types and they're they're typically less for mixed use developments now if you have a big mixed use development it's creating a lot of U traffic a lot of trips on the network and you don't have the infrastructure to supported yes you would have a problem those are things that need to be determined at this particular point in time this future land use uh category and also the future land use map amendments are not entire ements they are just a ceiling it's something that we use for for planning for the future it's not zoning so it doesn't get into that precise detail is what could actually be accomplished now granted you want to be responsible about what level you set I think that should be rational and reasonable but um but right now we're not really solving for the traffic problem there is a problem us9 is it's terrible um but sometimes congestion is the reason why people don't get back in their car and they just take the opportunity to walk in their walkable neighborhood and I'd argue that our the plan here shouldn't just mitigate the traffic concerns of bringing those many residents in it should improve the traffic that exists today with the existing residents because today it's not very good today I don't feel safe having myself walking down or riding a bike down the sidewalk of many roads here this plan plan whatever plan happens in this PUD it shouldn't just mitigate for the additional people it should turn it into a better and safer State than exists today for today's existing people it should improve that and that's the standard I would expect the city to hold us to in doing this project is not just to mitigate improve okay well I can see the Improvement coming from an extra couple of lanes where does where does your group see that coming from I I don't know we're not there yet we've looked at different road infrastructure to look at different ways to Route traffic to make it safer so let me let me let me slow this let's slow this process down I think there's a disconnect that's in the process here we the applicant just for the residents for the board myself there understand the applicant is just starting the first phase of the process our job now is to figure out where he go what's the maximum what's the put right and I understand they're all very viable questions you have the secondary part of this once we figure out what what we're willing to recommend to the council to do because we don't make that decision Council does obviously um is then he will have to go through an actual process plan unit development process is a very very very very rigorous process as you know you've been through them with me so they have to go through everything from the how wide you want the sidewise how many trees you want everything you can you can manage that entire process during that phase but here this phase we're at now I don't want us to you know lose the Train the force so to speak you know what I mean so we we've got to focus on what we have now and I Joe you have some very valid points that he needs that needs to be addressed and many of the residents have the same concerns right but at the same time I think we're answering the same questions over and again over and again correct Am I Wrong can I yeah absolutely please and I had the same question at the Town Hall um and I I asked the mayor to go over it we went over it in detail at the Town Hall that we had not too long ago um what we're doing right now with this amendment is effectively creating the box that the future can go in they can't play with the box yet they can't put anything in the box yet we're just saying how big the boxes and then once we set that parameter then they can develop a plan up to that and come into the City and discuss it with us and the residents in a town hall type setting to go through that entire PUD development setup once we set the parameters for what the ceiling is so yes it it sounds like if you took all of these numbers to their absolute maximum that that would be awful we'd have giant 100 foot tall boxes built to the edge of the road all the way down and we would wipe out our water we would wipe out all of our infrastructure that's not what we're talking about what we're talking about is this is the frame that can be built within now come to us with a plan and let's talk about what it looks like and the citizens are involved in that pnz is involved in that council's involved in that that's where we get to ask for performance we get to ask for okay you want to do this you want to get to this density you want to do these things that sounds great we want you to build these three roads these four things that's how the county does giant does starky and then makes the developer build parks and all sorts of other things right this is part of the process all we're doing right now is developing a potential ceiling because right now if we don't do this then like I could go buy the old the old trailer and based on the 6 right now I can build a 5,000 by 5000t fivestory building right along Old Post row and it'll meet the point 6 that we're at right now it'll let me get where I need to get and I can and it'll be a que sitting in the middle of that and there's nothing that the city can do about that because that that's just zoning right now I can just use the zoning that's here right now and build to the maximum capacity and granted you can do that but they want to change everything there down there from a C2 to C3 and that means that they can build the max everywhere all right let's let's stop in the internal side so we have some other business that manag from that standpoint I personally and I think the board as well would like to hear from the public now yes so I have five individuals thank you gentlemen you're I'm sure you'll be back up so um we have four individuals who signed a sign the sheet I am sure there are others I saw one particular person walking here that I'm sure wants to speak um so let me start with the people that are on the list I believe it's is that Don Hernandez Don is that Mr Hernandez yes that is I don Hernandez 8425 flaxon thank you for taking this time to come to this I know you're volunteers and you're doing this as a service to the people of your neighbors what you said was absolutely true we talk about a walking Community Ridge Road in 19 is probably one of the top 10 if not top five worst traffic spots in the world what I see and I and I am probably the most conservative Pro business was in was in buildings and everything back before I retired and I and if I could build it a 100 story and in a in a residential area I I could if if I was allowed to because I want to make a profit that's what these these people are here for to make a profit that that's their job to them and their stock ERS but we do know what the state of Florida will say about 19 looked at it what is their plans for 19 through poor Richie if if I was living if if I was walking or or getting in my car at the sign at Newport Richie and had to go to Home Depot up on 19 how long will it took well how long would it take to get there on a Friday afternoon are we going to turn into another Wesley Chapel Trinity in 75 where they had to spend what millions of millions that took 20 years to build we don't have the space you talk about a walking Community anybody uh on east of uh of 19 you can't even take a a golf card over there because the city can't decide how to do it because they're saying it's not safe how is this going to be safe for the people who wants to part be part of the walking Community there's there's not going to be a walking Community they're going to get in their car they're going to sit on Ridge Road and they're say screw it I'm not going to go to Walmart I'm not going to go to catches I'm I'm just going to say you know my relatives come down from up North I I'll show them the water will go on Tuesday morning when everybody's at work there you what doctor would go down there what ice cream store would go down there you you have to be able to get the business there and the business will come from 19 I mean that's just an natural way I mean that's how businesses need need in this particular case the car traffic the city can't even decide whether or not to right now how we can take a golf cart over over there to go to catches to go to the other restaurants I I understand I mean these things look beautiful but they're really not telling us anything you said about the water but we need a pump and we need to find out from the state of Florida what they're going to do with thank you sir those things we do know those things are on file and and we should know that for you should know that thank you thank you Jen Cook Jen Cook 4529 Harbor Point Drive over the past 18 months I've witnessed a lot of confusion amongst a few residents in this community we know that social media has made it challenging to sort through opinions versus facts and we've seen that again here this evening as an engineer by degree and an orthopedic surgeon by career while I understand opinion is important when making decisions for the benefit of a community it is imperative to have the correct facts it can be easy to misconstrue pictures texts and words I would like to express a few opinions about our community and contrast them with facts it is my opinion that the sidewalks on Bay Boulevard are unsafe for anyone to use and that it is probably safer to walk in the street it is my opinion that these need to be fixed for the safety of our residents it is my opinion that the flooding that occurs on Bay Boulevard with nearly every rainstorm needs to be fixed for the safety of our community as well it is my opinion that we have a wonderful Waterfront area that in its current state is falling apart and an embarrassment for our lovely Community now let's talk about some actual facts it is a fact that the Waterfront area has had plans for Redevelopment for over 20 years it is a fact that no developer was both willing and allowed to develop the area it is a fact that we have a group that lives in the community that is willing to put up their own money to invest in better in our community is the fact that the proposed project never contemplated high rises despite the signs that have been posted on Bay Boulevard with the QR code in fact the highest proposed structure was only one to two stories taller than the current residences in the city specifically San Pebble it is a fact that the proposed project never contemplated lowincome housing or government subsidized housing the term affordable housing was used to imply that residents was not all be multi-million dollar condos the verbiage was misinterpreted it is a fact that there is a significant need for upgrades or replacement of our City's current water system a major rebuild of the water system would force the city to seek alternate funding sources or Outsource the water supply it is a fact that a change in density was appros proposed to allow for retail restaurants entertainment and to fix the parking problem it is a fact that by increasing the density tax revenue will be increased it is a fact that the city has very little margin on the revenue it generates today it is a fact that if the city goes bankrupt we will be absorbed by the county it is a fact that an increase in tax revenue will allow Port Richie to be self-sustainable and give excess Revenue to work on bettering other areas of the city that I previously commented on in my opinions it is a fact that it is a duty of a city official to listen to the residents it is a fact that the ultimate responsibility of City officials is to act in the best interest of sustainability for the city thank you McDonald I'm shorter hi Ron McDonald 7610 Dedra Circle and I'm the president of the Chamber of Commerce there's three ways a government can help cover the cost of growth you're going to either raise taxes on us you're going to either th cut our services or you're going to have to increase our ADV valorum base period there's no other options here that property has laid phow for so many years I know I investigated putting a Marriott Hotel over there a five years ago myself there's nothing wrong with people making a profit if they didn't you wouldn't have had a job in the first place so don't condemn phone I couldn't hear you when you turn your back there's nothing wrong with making a profit so trying to condemn developers because they're building something that they can make a profit on is not a bad thing if we get an area that can provide us with the same kind of downtown type feel that they have in Newport Richie in dun Eden uh Safety Harbor we will attract a lot of traffic and it'll help us on a retail basis and I agree we need to help retail that's why I started the jber goers we need to help small business and we can't do that if we're intransigent to any kind of growth because we're going to give up that bedroom community feel we need to increase our income or we're not going to survive as a city doing this increases our ADV valorum tax base by hundreds of percent not just a few I mean we don't have that much income from down there now and what do we have restaurants that are failing we just lost gild dogs you got another one that just closed right next to it there's not enough traffic to support them there's not enough support to keep businesses whole and there's certainly nothing in this entire city that is of the quality to attract Class A tenants this has the option of doing that you talk about getting us a restaurant in here that's got a brand name to it and that has some quality to it how are we going to do that if we don't have the people here to support that restaurant you know you talked about whiskey Joe and they're already having trouble I've met with their management this is the lowest performing Whiskey Joe's they have and why cuz we can't get anybody down here I don't see where this development should be creating all of this angst when it's going to bring in new residents it's going to create jobs it's going to support new business and it's going to bring money into this city that we need to operate so that's my opinion as a young lady says we all have them thank you Mark WS I don't think they can hear you Buck it buckus Mark B L KES leave he's no longer that is the extent of the individuals who signed this lovely sheet is there anyone else would' like to speak I'm a little different because it's important imperative for us to hear what you have to say so I will let each one of you speak if you have to speak it's so by raised hand yes sir please State the podium or walk up to the podium state your name and your address the record my name is Robert Luke I'm the owner of Robert smok and barbecue on US 19 and the beautiful city of Port Richard and I say that because I've been in this city for 20 years I've been owning my business going on nine years here and I didn't think that this city was ready for what I was bringing to be totally honest but you was you was it was a blind leap of faith that I took and that's the same thing that I'm going say about this guy I can't talk about a lot of people in this town but a damn sure can talk about this guy he's from here and when I fell on hard times and I had a flood and I was in 4et of water and I was thinking about giving up it was this guy not him so much throwing money in my pocket or trying to no it was the positive things about hey man just believe in a brighter future and that you continue going on and you're a good guy and he didn't know me from a can of spray paint at that time I'm being brutally honest most people in here that know of me you know of me since I've had my restaurant you read about Me Maybe in the news and on the newspaper and I've been to the bottom as low as you can get and I you know but I enjoy being in the city I love getting up at 5: cooking for you guys every day rain hurricanes storms and all of that but I never believed that you guys would embrace me I was different I brought something different and the people love it the people love it sometimes you got to take a blind leap of faith and try something different I'll tell you I'm also from the beautiful city of Safety Harbor that's why I was born and raised de so when you talk about a small City and a person loving a small town I don't think a person can love a small town as much as I do but I definitely love the ideas of what these guys were talking about and what it could do for my business and the people around here we're drowning bad because we don't have a great interstructural thing you're seeing it and I I love it over there about the water but it's nowhere to go let's just be brutally honest I mean that's all I got to say and on that note yeah my name is Mike Maller and I just had a couple comments I thought there were some great questions and comments we can't hear you can't hear you name and address yeah Mike mallister over off Brent Street yeah and some of the great comp me I understand and I would just say this maybe to get a little bit of a comprehensive feel for this some of the concerns that I'm I'm hearing from people are the height of these buildings and what's that going up construct and I pulled up my little I was I was a military engineer for like 30 years bu roades roads and bridges in Central America and other places so I would just maybe urge that a hard look gets taken at the density there because you know what my little whiz will tells me is that four to five when you start looking at at U when you get over 20 how tall is it going to be and when you were looking at your 60 and it was you know you brought it up too so maybe what he said is we're going to put a box we're going to we're going to plan for a box and then we'll be specific what goes in the Box what I hear today my my big question would be what's the tallest structure that's going to go in there to get the residence density that you were talking about now initially you said 60 then you dropped it to 40 but even 20 takes what a three-story building depends yeah depends yeah that's that's the standard I think so I would just urge that you know how when you bu when you design this box and they come up with the architect Cal plan that's going to go in there what is it going to what is what is the obstructions going to be how tall is it going to be and yet maximize and and they make a lot of good points you want to grow your community you want to grow your economy you want to create jobs you want to gain an economy scale scope and scale actually to maybe solve some of the existing problems that already exist so maybe some of all of that can be filtered into this strategic plan that you actually designed to fit in the box thank you thank you anyone else okay Phil apps 5436 blueo Drive how you doing Ryan good yeah me and Ryan we uh had a little lunch we talked a little bit um what I'm here on behalf of is I want you to understand that you do have a box okay you've got a box to play with what you're talking about is doing taking this box this size and making it this big all right you're talking about adding according you they did away with the 900 capacity that you had and that went away and now that's up to 2,600 from what she just told us and there's going to be 1,500 available units do you know what that's going to do to that little front area we're not going to have any area there there's no way that it's 60 units per acre it's just not going to fit so what I'm asking you to do is to look at this and look at what's going to happen if you approve this this it's it is going to be nice I don't doubt that it will be really nice and it'll be there but if you want this and all that kind of density there what you're trying to do is to support the few businesses that are there and put all the people right there in that one spot that'll support these businesses well the businesses that are down there had the rug snatched out from under them when they changed and they didn't do the sidewalks when they didn't do the advertising when they didn't invest the money in the infrastructure that they had originally planned on there's people down there that bought property on the intention of the city developing and improving it but then the city pulled all that money back and they never did that the city has done nothing but squash the businesses that are there and make it harder for them what I'm asking you to do is to look at what we currently have it's not as much the highrise as it is the density the amount of people you're talking about going 2600 available new residents here we have a total population of 3,000 within that square mile in that total square mile there's 3,000 you're going to take 20 probably not 2600 but probably 17 or 1,800 and put them right there which is a 30 40% increase in population right in that front area if you want that kind of density why don't we put it out on Harbor Point and put a nice big beautiful condo right up out there or apartments Harbor points a great place to put it they got a lot better View and a lot better area but when you live behind two gates you don't understand what it's going to be like dealing with all these people because we don't live behind those two steel Gates and we don't have a security guard we've got to work with what we have and if you overpopulate and you approve this WOD you did they're literally taking everything that we have and removing that Waterfront now I urge you to take a serious look at this map that they're presenting it does not not include the boat ramp it does not watered out so you're now approving the boat ramp in the WOD where they could build on that I know that it's protected area I know that's not part of the plan but it's not that needs to be leaned out another thing too is that you did not post in time the proper posting was not done in time for you to make a vote tonight thank you very much the young lady you still want to speak y go ahead sir Brent skilman 4502 Harbor Point um I look at the pictures on the walls in here and the people in them and I can only imagine the conversations that took place over putting the first stop light in this area and and the disputes and the people for it the people against it change happens regardless change will continue to happen that's some Prime real estate down there and somebody is going to snatch it up and they're going to do something with it and for me not only do I like the the the sounds of what is being proposed um the city operates a city has a fixed cost to operate and there's only so many residents that they can get that from as we've already heard um I'd really like to share in the cost of the City operating and the city improving with additional residents and I think the uh the residents that we're looking at adding are are people that uh the tax base will be good we're not looking at lowincome housing so um again let's let's uh as we consider this let's think about your own situation and are you willing to Annie up and give more money to the city to get the city improvements done that we all agree need to be done thank you anyone else yes ma'am Cy M 5446 blueo Drive um I do agree that we do need development we do need to make the Waterfront better but I also a agree in the fact that we shouldn't approve the maximum amount of density of 60 units per acre I think that needs to to be reduced tremendously I still think you can do mixed use I think also there's going to be a parking problem because right now I see on the plans only one parking unit per unit and I think that that's going to push a lot of parking people will try to park into the residential areas I think this can cause a lot of problems and to approve a maximum amount of density increase at this time I think it should be lower and we can always change that later in the future but right now I think we need to keep a lower density than we have than they're proposing right now thank you anyone else before I close to the public sir my name is Mike Low 7811 bayw um you know as one of the other gentlemen had mentioned you know the one thing you can Bank on is change and it's either change for the better or change for the worse and you know we're talking about a local resident proposing a project here uh I think he has the best interests of Port Richie and the community at heart um you know I've heard other cities mentioned dun Eden um you know Newport Richie as examples you know the city of Port Richie has a tremendous opportunity with the amount of parcels in the bayou District that are undeveloped that you know we've got a developer here that's also a local resident that is willing to put his time and effort into developing those Parcels or a portion of them to kick off a change if you will for the better for Port Richie and it's my opinion that Port Richie could really be the jewel of Pasco County if a project like this were to happen if you all were would would allow it to happen so I think it is a good thing I don't think it's a bad thing for developers to want to make money they have to make money everybody here has to make money to make a to make a living make ends meat support their families so with that I am in support of the project thank last call okay I will close it to the public Miss Tammy do you want to address any of the comments that were made or questions were presented by the public maybe density well well I guess I can sit here I keep forget that's where I live um so we did look at a sort of in the middle sort of com of um standard of 40 units per acre um as far as the park that's a zoning related or PUD related type of decision that the variance request is part of that application is not related to this that's has to be something down the road um trying to think if there's anything else that I I will say that sort of um embedded or implicit in a planned unit development type zoning is the notion of community benefit it's a negotiation you know it's a give and a in give a get and so that's where working with the community working with staff um and the you know leaders such as yourself to come to a um you know a good outcome the best out the most suitable outcome for the community is what the Pud offers if it's you know managed correctly so um but I don't think I have anything else is there anything that I didn't answer that you anybody else can remember thank you in that case I'll bring it back to the board again and we will round Rob one more time at least one more time Mr forz one second okay uh for protocol if the applicant would like to speak again and answer any questions we'll allow you to do so right now I would again thank you and I again would reiterate to everyone I I think that we want to take take feedback we want to keep working on and that's why we're structuring that this way is to to work with with the city um to do something that's sustainable for not only the project but but for the city um I think the one benefit to me is if I was doing everything for financial profit purely I definitely wouldn't have gone this route um there are a number of things I could have done for a hell of a lot less money including just retiring and so I want to make that clear that that I am aligned here and that's why we want to do things that are more expensive to build that are more costly and not just put the things up they can turn the best profit because I want to live here for the rest of my life I so it's yeah that's selfish but it's also means that I'm pretty aligned to make sure we're doing something that's right and sustainable and not just about can I make the quickest Buck because I would have done that already a lot easier so thank you very much for for hearing me today good okay Mr pres okay um a lot of really good valid points and I thank you guys very much for coming out and talking to us and and expressing your opinions on it um I guess my big piece of this is we've already addressed and be maybe Beat It To Death that we need development um we wouldn't be talking about density and Residences if we weren't trying to come up with a number a residential number that supports the businesses the businesses of the goal um the restaurants are the goal um the Waterfront District down there right now has no Waterfront for the residents that's all private land not one of you can go down there if you're not a patron of one of those restaurants can get that front right now if you tried so you're not giving something up by H having someone develop something like this you're you only stand to gain um parking zoning alone covers the number of parking spaces you have to have for any specific resident or residents any specific retail space any type of anything building and planning is going to make sure there's enough parking before they let any before they pass anything the city council could say we love this plan and building and Zoning will go I don't doesn't matter you don't have enough parking spaces so those things are going to get handled during planning um they're going to get handled during building and zoning and all of those pieces at before we ever get that far um the only way that we get development the the businesses down there are dying we are not supporting those businesses right now they are not they are not surviving with the residences that are here right now um we are not patronizing them enough or there are not enough of us to keep them alive um we do need more people coming in will we be getting more people from Angeline from the mafit complex out there absolutely um those are all people that are going to have to drive in and park they are not people that are going to walk over and eat uh those are people that are going to have to find someplace to park to do that um right now if we don't do something then there's absolutely no master plan for what anybody who bu anything down there can do they can buy a parcel and build to the zoning whatever it is that fits within that C2 zoning or C3 zoning they can just build they don't have to get anybody's approval on what it looks like as long as they build to the code there's nothing anyone can say about it so they can build whatever meets in the Co in the code that we have right now um and there's nothing that the reason that nothing down there is consistent and that there's nothing going on everybody complains about the city didn't put in sidewalks the city didn't put this in the main road that everybody uses to get down there does not belong to the city it is private land that runs between gild dog and pirate the Pirate Bar that the the businesses down there own all of that land if they wanted that to look like one consistent thing and have street lights that all look the same they should have gotten together and pulled their money and bought street lights that all look the same it's all private land so there's a lot of misinformation that runs around this town There's a a lot of misinformation about what did has and hasn't been done by the town this is our best in my opinion that seems to be the word of the night in my opinion this is the best chance we have to bring money to the table and then as a city have a conversation about what that Waterfront can look like if we don't do that then we're at the whim of whoever wants to buy something when it closes and build it into whatever they want within the the purview of that zone that zoning that's there right now if we don't develop this community and this community goes bankrupt you will not have a voice in what Pasco County does with this Waterfront they will turn this into what they want it to turn into and you will if you have a voice at a count City a count a County council meeting it will be a still Small Voice in the corner compared to the entire County's voice about what they want to do with this Waterfront so this is our chance to be as a as a collective 3,000 people be at the table with a developer that wants to build something and tell that developer what we want it to look like that we're not at the tell him what we want it to look like at this meeting this this right now is again just here to design what we would be willing to let the Box be so that we can start developing it they're not going to put 60 units per acre at the front of the at the edge of the seawall we're not going to let them during the Pud even if he's not the developer and we do this and somebody else buys that land and comes in and goes oh cool you made a really big box I'm G to build this thing no you're not the city council still has to approve the Pud that's why it's written the way it's written so that we have that strength to be able to have that conversation as all of this is being developed that's why we want to make the change that's why the change is proposed it i' like to clarify several maps and everything for that area and I'm not sure I want to be clear what are we in agenda item number one two and three what area are we talking about can we pull up the got three different M right in front of you yeah it's kind of an evolution yeah but Tammy Tammy no clicker you oh no the uh text Amendment there you go okay I think I had it so this this boundary is what was submitted with the applicants text amendment I mean I drew this but it's essentially from Pasco way down to the river all the way to the water along us that's gone right so that's what they're proposing that's still in in the game but what I have done is to create a map get to the end here there we go so this area excludes Waterfront one from the imagined Cody River survey planning area except for the gild doog site it includes that so before when we had outlined Waterfront one in the planet area it in that little piece of gild dog was carved out for this purposes we've included that so that's for the purposes of the text amendment that means that if this is approved either one of those Maps whichever you decide that you like the best um that's where somebody could have a future land use map amendment that they apply for just as those last two cases that we're that I went through that's what's happening if this goes through and somebody can say I would like to change the designation on my property to use that designation so those are those two maps there's two maps which one are we talking about in agenda number one which map so for number one there's this map which is the U A consideration by staff and then the other one is the larger map which is this this is the one that came with the applicants application so the first one's from the applicant first one's from the applicant the second one's from staff correct is that what you're saying yes the first the first one was submitted by the I think it's important to understand so your function you have you don't just you don't have to just say yes or no you could say yes to map one which is what was submitted by the applicant you could say no or you could say yes but we like map number two or we like a third map that we're going to tell you what we want it to be you can you can make recommendations to change it so think think about whether based on that text description of the new future land use category in the comp plan should it apply to this whole area should it apply to a portion of the area should it apply to none of the area that's really what it comes down to okay so the second choice a smaller area basically removes about 90% of the Waterfront yes it takes the from the plan from the planning area for the Imagine Cody River there was the thing called waterfront one that that there really was an interest in keeping that a little bit more low intensity more retail more um just a tall less tall buildings I guess is probably now granted you can build up to 72 feet there today with the current zoning um so I mean tall buildings are a possibility all right my second question of my feeling is the the biggest contention is the height of of the poti Central buildings seems to be the number one thing I hear about and uh and I think you've alluded to that going to be be handled in the Pud and zoning and on down the road and everything can that be made part of this first made part of this whole zoning area that and we make the size of the Box the height of the Box only 72 feet we're using the Box analogy can it only be 72 feet high so it's customary for the most part there's always differences from place to place but comprehensive plans don't get into that detail that's something handled by zoning because you could have one parcel within this that's very suitable for a tall building and some other place that's not so giving that sort of SE another ceiling I guess it's a roof putting the roof on it um may not give you the the outcomes that you're looking for because every site should be considered in its cont text okay for attorney can that be part of the am amended text I agree with what she just said yes but okay yes yes but an important butt and I think that's what she what what um planner just said you if you're you're not looking at just one parcel you're you're you're giving a an area whatever area you guys decide this new name and these new abilities within it not every parcel within there is the same thing so if you limit you think I want to limit this parcel you may not want to limit that parcel this stage a a comprehensive plan deals with um um extent how big uh the intensity and the use so those kind of like the the main things that are covered in a comprehensive plan category but you know could you I think that a purist perspective I would say leave that for zoning but um you know certainly you know we can we can entertain anything let me help kind of clarify that this is a question for building and planning what is the current zoning height restrictions already on a C3 so there's your current we already have it in zoning like Mike was saying there's already a box that's already there that's already in that so that doesn't by capping that anything besides that would require multiple thing from the Pud there's lots of things that have to happen and even with that 72 feet you have to have additional setbacks so once you get above a certain amount you have to you know so there a lot of I always calibrating you know up and down you know forth I think that's where design gets more so into zoning than it does in future land planning the biggest part of this is density this is the largest part of this right so height restrictions are controlled like you said by zoning which is already in place so anything to change that would be com come through with the Pud and you'd run through that whole process all over from there so you already have your height restrictions already built in the way the building is already built so um go ahead next question okay so any anything proposed in this area right there if anybody wants to build anything more than 72 feet high they would have to go before zoning and and go through that to ask for and right now within your city there's nothing that allows over 72 ft is my understanding right I think that MPD is maybe even do you remember I think that there might be a heightline even on so there will things there will need to be things addressed down the road this is just this first step but you know it's planning is not tidy you know it's always right other questions uh no unless you're ready for an opinion yes I'd love an opinion uh then I I think I could approve their request however I would want to change the the density to 30 per acre okay all right M Lori um I just wanted to mention I think it's great that the developer you know asked our opinion because I don't think any other developer would and I really do have this feeling that if we don't work with someone we're going to lose this city and we'll be the County's mercy and you're going to have condos all over so um I would be inclined to recommend approval with a Max of 40 unes per acre okay anything else I disagree it's not it's not the height it's the density of people coming in okay um and Miss Cook said uh city council mayor are supposed toist listen to the people they don't do that after M Rona came in and gave the initial uh City plan that she'd done lot they had a town hall a lot of residents came in and said nope this is not what we want and uh at at that point in time someone says oh GE you guys don't really know what you want so this is what I want to do third I don't trust the city because they're not good stewards of our money that they will take any of this tax revenue and actually do anything with it the oil spill off the coast of Louisiana was uh they made them pay out to a lot of coastal cities a lot of money and it was supposed to be for infrastructure the sidewalks lighting uh pumps you know and things that we need city of Port Richie was awarded six $67,000 in a grant they set on it and that Grant's gone we'll never get that money back so personally I don't trust them well that was maybe the old Administration you that's fine and you know theying let's reduce the ban between back and forth guys I understand what you're it's it's okay for to have a conversation and make your your state known but you can't do it back and forth all right I'm going to interject this now I've been in the city for 25 years I raised my children here just like the developer I have sat on this board for 20 years and I have implored the city for years to find a better way and to allow some kind of development because I want to be part of it it's the reason I sit up here I want to help kind of guide the path give a place for my children to live but at the same time I'm neighbors with all of you Bill and I I I own property the same street he was that he lived on I lived around the corner from him you know took our boats down the same things so I understand his concern as well that being said there are real concerns here and if we don't control and manage the process accordingly like many of the resen stated res stated already stated it may come out of our hands so the city Joe like you said haven't been the best stewards of our money over the last 20 some years and as such it puts us in a very precarious situation I went to dinner with my wife last night at Hooters on a Monday night Monday Night Football that place should have been packed to the gills I pulled in there there was 20 cars there we walked inside to sit inside we were the only table inside the joke was we say we you want at 8:00 at night that place should have been packed that's concerning now from a personal standpoint I live on Miller Bayo I gotta look across the water at that thing so whatever they decide they're going to build so height restrictions are obviously a concern of mine as well but like they said 72 feets already built in the box that we already have so he can build it to 72 feet if he buys it anyway so my concern those so from a structural infrastructure standpoint in the city we are not equipped to manage 60 units per AC in my personal opinion now after looking at multiple cities whove done this thanks to Nancy for providing us all that data in s Tammy with 40 units here 30 in here the City of Newport Richie is even considering 60 on some of their spots I'm of the opinion that 40 units per acre would be something would be sustainable management now as fil brought forth we're looking at a large piece of it and I agree that existing map map one compared to map two is a massive difference between the two because of Waterfront one is that what we're calling it feel like I'm a spaceship um so if we cut off a large piece of that that will reduce because the density that will reduce that but he still has to maximize the density by St what he has personally and he only owns he only has what do you have five acres you're working with six seven acres nine acres yeah less than nine yeah so it's less than nine so if you do the math we're not going to get 2,000 new units there so I think it's important and I and I embrace the idea that a resident wants to be part of working with us and I like the idea that we can work with him to see something grow I know when I saw the first set of pictures come through you're driving down Grand Boulevard and all you saw was a gigantic building because it's the way the image Drew people started freaking out a little bit breathing heavy in the back of their room I get it can't see the water anymore there's no there's and like the gentleman said there's no access to the water but like Mike said there really is no access to the water unless you're sitting at that restaurant anyway so my personal contention is that I would personally be good with 40 units breaker I think that we help him dramatically I'm scared that we if we if we open a box and we do 60 that we are going to be just like clear water just like Largo and I don't want to live there you know I if it becomes Largo and Clear Water I'm going to Crystal River and I don't want to live here so it's just that's where we're at so and that's my opinion need do number one first motion number one so yes man miss Nancy has put it together for us we need to do each item separately I don't know if we're in a position where we're able to write or even suggest a motion if there is I will definitely I will listen to each one do I have a motion regarding number agenda number one the conference of plan text amendment to create a new land use category for future application can I ask a question again before that far absolutely um let me get to it it's a long it was a long document um tell me about it uh in the staff analysis um the 2023 and this is probably directed that you because you would know this better than any of the rest of us the 2023 live local Act um for those of you who haven't read that allows whatever we set as a maximum density anywhere in any kind of thing like this can be enacted by another developer anywhere within the city to produce low-income housing so if we set this at 60 and another developer comes in and buys a piece of property not within this District but in an appropriately themed multif family Zone and they decide to build low income homes there they can enact it and build a build within zoning whatever is within zoning they can build 60 unit we they will be able to tag onto this and build 60 units per acre is that correct Tam because we've already we're actually putting this inside the actual only location on the map so yes the um the density provisions of your C plan whatever that and there's some amendments in Senate Bill three something but I I can share that I just haven't gone through it like in detail but it did look at whatever your highest density was and your highest height within a mile I think that but I think they've Ratched it down on that but just to think about this the low-income houses are those houses that would be affordable to somebody between 80 and 120% of your area median income that's more of like your Workforce housing teachers firefighters you know the people that we need in our community unities to be able to afford housing and so it's not necessarily you know probably what people are picturing and also it's a it's only you have to have 40% of your whatever you're building your units are to be available for affordable units and then the rest could be market rate right but from a developers perspective because it's only 40% of it has to meet that lowincome standard raising this to this at this point so that we have a big box so that makes it easy for us to have that discussion and then someone goes a mile across east of 19 they they get within that mile radius and they buy a piece of property over there and then they build really tall you know tall condos that are crazy dense to bring in that I just wanted to discuss that among you can adopt U design standard other standards in your codes apply so setbacks and things like that I know that I work in ZR Hills we've been talking about multif family standards you know what is it that multif family looks like so that those things can't apply you can't regulate density and you can't regulate height but some of these other things you can but it is a it's an unknown because they don't have to have it's a administrative process it's brand new it's brand new I mean it's it's a new law there's not a lot um there's there's beginning to be litigation about it and how it does work and how it doesn't work it's very new but as as it stands right now what Tam that is correct that is a possibility right that would be my concern is that a mile from where we're talking about doing this would be the Pelican right okay so that's already multif family it's already it's it's already set up for that if someone wanted to tear those byy that and tear those apartments down and build without the height restriction and without the den up to this new density restriction they could ignore code they could IGN ignore the zoning in that space and buil to the maximum of what we do within the setback of that space and that to me would be I I'll be able to see both of them from my house and his is going to be pretty and theirs is not um and so that's just something I wanted to bring up was that this is a real concern that if we set these density levels um I'm inclined to agree with you that something 40 45 is probably closer in alignment with everything that's going on um I don't like the tiered approach of be of we could always just add more um because obviously we see how hard this process is to do it once um doing it again would be harder um so I mean I that was that was the big thing in the reading that I wanted to bring up that we hadn't really touched on yet was just making sure that we understood that we're setting a bar that someone else could that's not someone who lives here that wants to make it pretty could take advantage of and we've seen that at zoning and planning or zoning that they will take advantage of it if give the opportunity if anybody wants to look it up it's Senate Bill 328 adopted in 2024 May so I I can provide a link love any other discussion Randy Lori Joe okay I'll entertain a motion or or we can entertain a motion entertain a motion all guess the question for you would be if we want to change something in the text Amendment yes so now if we if we decide as a group that we wanted to be 40 you you could make a motion to approve the um text Amendment with the change of whatever okay so I think if I can clarify so a density I think that's the density and then also the um map area right so that was my striking that one piece of non-residential in that text was that I was going to ask that because you mentioned the three different um map the 40 and there was that third thing where residential intensity so we would strike I think it said residential density and intensity perhaps but non-residential is what needs to because intensity is measured for all of those that's the box it's in it's in the first paragraph right it is but I I don't know if I could move I thinkway through the first paragraph on the proposed language it says the Cody River Landing US 19 quarter designation establishes the maximum residential density and non-residential development intensity is that the one you're talking about yeah I'm gonna show right here strike from first paragraph the maximum residential density and development intensity so we don't need to say nonresidential because it applies to all uses except parking structures parking structures are not leasable area so not included so if you wanted to make a motion and and adopt the application as is you make a motion to adopt the application as presented if you want to make a motion um to adopt a text Amendment with the recommendations of planner you could pick the one the two or the three that you want or if there's a fourth one come up with you can that is something you want to change just explain what it is okay can you show the next slide yeah can you show the next slide yeah that's the second the map the second map so that was that's before I'm ready to make any kind of Mo I knew that was the next question um we need to talk about map um so it would be of that so again we're trying to build box so PUD would allow us to if we use the original map that includes the Waterfront we can use the Pud discussion at that stage to make sure that they don't build 45 at the waterfront area if we don't include that section if we go with this map my concern is is that we get no boardwalk in the development so they build their restaurants they build their restaurants at the ground floor they build their they get their residences that they want for the development it doesn't do anything for our residential access our residents access to the Waterfront for that nice boardwalk and for all of those pieces because at this point if we adopt that then again someone can buy Seaside and follow the current rules and ignore what we just spent all this time doing because what we just spent all this time doing only affects what's inside that box and the stuff that's on the waterfront which is the stuff that we're really seem to be mostly concerned about I I think there's less concern about what's going on the old Trailer Park from most of the people around and more concerned about what's going to happen with Seaside and you know gild dog I is part of that but realistically gildogs Waterfront view wasn't a waterfront view it was a small Canal View so it was the parcel behind between gild dog and seaside was the starting to get into Waterfront view that's where you're going to want to have that that that Boardwalk that walks around and cuts around that Peninsula and all the way back up to Hooters um which I could see the Hooters wanting to be part of this development and be in the ground floor of something that they were building and want to sell that property to develop it alongside this be so it would be my suggestion would be the that but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about your thoughts on the map I don't know that that that it makes a difference Tammy I don't that makes a difference from the from what he's talking about as far as infrastructure as far as putting a a boardwalk down it that just controls what we're doing for density in that particular box right that area right there but if you activate say like somebody wants to make investments on the waterfront and you don't think that the 40 that you're thinking of is too much um you know unless something's happening with those properties you're probably not going to get somebody building your Riverwalk or your so I I can see kind of see yeah certainly you could still build your Riverwalk without this but you know do you want that maximizes outside of that box that maximizes that Waterfront 18 units per acre because that's what's currently in the city that's right that's so they can't build a superstructure there I I understand that but there's no there there's nearly no economic reason for him to buy Seaside and and make it a pretty water a pretty Boardwalk for us but because it's not inside what he can it's not high enough density for him to do that and we still control that we can limit him during the Pud phase to building we can say within 200 yards of the Waterfront you're limited to two stories so draw the draw the line to include seide right the rationale behind this is that with this imagine Cody River we had those three distinct areas and we thought of going in and creating tailored standards for each of those three areas this kind of like you know it it had a little bit more intensity that might have been more appropriate for US 19 but maybe not so much for the Waterfront particularly at 60 units per acre um and granted the I don't know the point 6 F how you know attractive that is for redevelopment obviously things aren't moving out there so 18 units per acre and 6.6 F isn't enough to get investment so the only reason I would you know I kind of was looking forward to the moment where we could actually do more we like tailored planning to that Waterfront area in this in the absence of that we're just you know and maybe like the gentleman said you you take a leap of faith but that's your community's values that needs to come to play in that I just gave you I gave you an alternative as a planner so you used a the word you used was a leap of faith I have a board member who doesn't trust the leap of faith well I'm saying I concern right so I mean but but that's why we're on this board right we're the step between we're here to be their voice before it gets to council right haven't said that which the second drawing um I think 17 17 was it too but like this plan this this would give us doing something along this lines gives us the ability to show it to them so they can original she's got all three sections laid out right this putting this in the future L use map right putting all of this within the Box gives us the ability to have that conversation with the developer every time the developer comes to the table if we don't put the all of everything we're concerned about within that box then the discussion we are not part of we this board and nor the citizens are part of that discussion at all ever if if somebody wants to come in and buy a if we don't include that out there and someone buys jumps in and buys um buys Hooters or buys the casino Boat Land and decides that and it's not inside of what we're doing they're going to build to whatever the current density is and to whatever they want with whatever style they want we will not have any discussion on that whatsoever and they can build 72 feet high at 18 units okay so it's 18 units per acre so they build 72 feet high and they build million doll million doll 2500 foot condos I can get I can get my 20 out of 18 units breaker 15 but 15 oh 15 okay still okay so now they're $2.6 million condos I right because they're Waterfront and they're 72 feet high and I can see down the river I'm the tallest thing down there and I can build to that within the code that we already have if we don't capture that land in this new future land use plan that's my concern is that we this gives us the opportunity as citizens as as a city of Port Richie citizens and this board and the council the ability to be part of the development of all of this because they can't come into this and enact any of this and get to this density without coming to the table during the development phase just Timmy's response to that so um you'll notice from the title it says Co the the category is called Cody River Landing us Corridor the idea is that there would be a Cody River Landing Waterfront one or whatever we call it and there would be Cody River Landing on the other side of 19 so it wasn't to to separate this out was not to say those other areas would not be addressed they could be um it was just being more incremental and also being more specific to a context because the Waterfront is a very different context it holds a different place in people's hearts than the US 19 Corridor so we thought that's why I thought that maybe they're make it more um palatable to the community to have a us19 approach and a waterfront approach and that was that was behind that decision so but there's many ways to think about this two more of these discussions well there is a current restriction right now that is to participate in this you have to have five acres right which yeah St to Tammy and Matt and a lot of people can elaborate better on this than me but to participate in a PUD here you have to have five acres correct and so by expanding it out to the water if someone just bought Seaside they couldn't do it they wouldn't be able to participate in the Pud as I understand it today if like that's a problem for the whole prod thing because nobody has has five acres yeah except for the appli people that want to buy it let them buy thead it jumps it doesn't matter AC is done you're much all right I'll make wants to make a motion I'll make a motion U the area that we will approve is the this original Cody River Landing yellow area I don't know what that's map one the larger area okay we go back to that just to make sure right there right yeah the yellow area yeah that's not that's not it go to the first proposed is that the yellow is the first proposed area is Cody River Landing but it does not include the mobile home park so the one the applicant has is inclusive of the super the super area then there we go well that's yeah we we had to find some maps to figure out but the mob Park is not part of Landing right so this is make a part of it so you want your motion to include the mobile home park up to pass go away yes so the Waterfront how about area one two and three of this map is that possible um yeah the one two and three is the original proposal okay I want to stick with the original proposal I Motion in for the area to include the original proposal of all three Waterfront two Waterfront one Waterfront two and the US 19 Corridor uh to uh approve the the the uh F floor area to 2.0 and to approve the units per acre to 40 dwelling units per acre okay so if I understand you I think that means you want to make a motion to approve the comprehensive plan text amendment to create a new land use category for future application which is ordinance number 2474 including the original map proposed by the applicant changing the 60 dwelling units to 40 dwelling units yes and the non-residential strike and we're going to take out the in the very first paragraph We want to take out the word non-residential is that okay first paragraph of the of the um text Amendment that's a lot you think you can say a lot again the N no feel like we need a whiteb when we do this so you can write out what we're supposed to say and hold it up okay the F would be 2.0 floor area ratio for nonresidential and and for multifam residential and the uh multi family residential dwelling units per acre would be 40 dwelling units per acre maximum maximum 4 maximum do have any discussion or a second how that we'll address the boat ramp afterwards Phil I understand you're saying there a boat ramp but the boat ramp is not it's a different entity altogether with this you know that as well as I do they've tried to developed that for years that that is the way that family wrote that there's nobody going to touch our brog but it's handled by zoning it's zoning that's a zoning issue anyway so we can't we can't really do that so that um okay so I have a second all in favor I I and anyone who denies excuse me for the record did you you approve or deny approve perfect okay good okay go to number two number two comprehensive plan future land use map Amendment ordinance number 24705 have any discussion you want remind them what that means tamy can you clarify what that is and re just rehash it real quick if we can go back to um the blue one the blue one there you Go's a lot of them okay you're done great this one hold on just a Here We Go There You Go portion you have yeah them out so now the what number two is asking is to take what you just passed you made a future a new future land use category and you're being asked by the applicant to apply that to these two Parcels because right now they are mixed use I think they're commercial use so we'll be redesignating them from commercial mixed use land use category to the Cody River Landing us9 category we're probably gonna have to change that name but um to my to the new category to the new were there any recommendations from you to modify anything on this one no okay I mean we we were cutting it ask question yes ask question okay so with the five acre PUD requirement then what would rezoning this to this new thing allow them to do so because the applicant has um Authority or um I don't you call it but there would be ownership of not only these Parcels but the mobile home park and by Virgil a public RightWay they contiguous okay so they could be aggregated got that was the question okay okay all entertaining any motions regarding number two all right get my wording right I move that we adopt the comprehensive you're recommending coun recommending a motion you're making a motion to recommend making a motion to recommend Council adopted never lost a word seven years before I can get this um I am I'm making a motion to recommend the adoption the council adopt that a council adopt the comprehensive plan future land use map Amendment ordinance number 24705 as stated do I have a second second all in favor I I any opposed no okay number three comprehensive plan future land use map Amendment ordinance number 24706 Miss Tammy Ashley could we bring up the purple yeah US 19 correct correct there you go that's the subject parcel for 24706 which is the the former trailer park correct okay any motions regarding that parcel number three item number three okay you got it you got it now uh I make a motion to recommend to council that they adopt the comprehensive plan future land use map Amendment ordinance number 24706 as it stands do I have any discussion or a second second all in favor I I opposed no okay all right we have business to discuss do number four can we take a stretch break though absolutely let's take a five minute break please yes micophone oh yeah totally ridiculous everybody what's that we need more people how many times you go down to them restaurants I've never seen you down I'm down all time I'm down the hey thank you for coming though appreciate that's a great hat we one Resturant we Reta it's not but like not have BAC you can't support business we e e e e e e e Dr back to order all right next item on the agenda discussion of amending chapter 10 article number nine of the four of the P Richie code all right this is being brought back to you you you've seen this section A few times but they coming back to you this time specifically top to discuss boat canopies which was something that you um collectively had asked for us to add to this ordinance um this is a rough draft I've already been told that perhaps some of it's not really accurate from someone that knows more about V and canopies than I do and he's going to share his thoughts with us in a moment um I will tell you this language was taken from a couple different cities and reviewed by by a building official um and put in as you see it um I will let you know that page 98 it's still page 98 um section N I do not recommend we keep that it talks about getting neighbors permission it shouldn't be in here I meant to remove that before it came out but it snuck in anyway um I recommend that that be removed other than that any questions nebor oh gotcha gotta okay would you want to hear from my new expert he absolutely we love to hear from the expert please state your name add the restroom 831 Island Drive kind of here with a hat on from a PAB Port Authority board perspective I think you guys got handed something that may not be something that you want um basically what is being presented is a regulatory issue under the ordinances and codes and I don't believe that Co is covered under zonings uh area of Engagement according to the Charter so I offer you an out if you would choose a couple of things uh one in the document that you have it describes being able to extend the cover 30 in Beyond The Marine structures that exist so conceptually what that does is move 30 Ines further into the Waterway obstructing navigation to other vessels as you probably are aware as it's described in that particular ordinance it's really a third a third a third as far as what's available third for one property owner a third for the other property owner and a third for the remaining Waterway however that is in conflict with State Rags which calls for a 20% so that if we're going into this we probably ought to harmonize with what the state says we could do with their water which is essentially that so I would uh submit uh or recommend potentially that you table this particular issue so we can get our arms around this in a better way if that is helpful in any way but I point out those couple of things not to mention uh Lee County is also reverencing to that as Miss Meyer mentioned it's a consolidation that's purely an edit but it's just one other thing so thank you that was some I was going to ask asked about uh I just learned just last week I have a nie that's in the environmental business in Orlando and I mentioned to her that city is talking about approving boat canopies and she said well the state it's legal under state regulations to have boat canopies right now she said in the way she understands the laws the city can't make a law more restrictive than the state R rules so I think what you're saying is we need to know what the state rules are and kind of get in line with that right I think the the main thing from the canopy I mean there's there's a number of things under 10 that are potential challenges because 10's fairly complex IT addresses with docks and sea walls and all kinds of things but the key thing is is obstructing the Waterway is a navigation issue and by to put the canopy because you want to cover your boat and the place to attach it is those outbound pilings that are in the Waterway generally speaking most people put those to the extent possible the one3 one one3 one 1/3 however if you go 30 inches beyond that it's no longer that because you have an aerial encroachment in the navigable Waters and I'm a sailboat guy so I have things that stick up in the air 30 more inches could be a problem or if you're on a a uh you have a boat that has a uh raised uh steering Helm any of those things could be a problem by extending into the navigable water so I make that as a as a key issue to clarify how you deal with that in the ver verbiage has to be cared for but the other thing was this is an old ordinance it's been on the books for a long time the state has moved from when this was written and we never kept up when they say we can only go 20% into a Waterway that's not a third it's not a half it's 20% so that's more restrictive we can be more restrictive but we can't be less restrictive than what the state prescribes particularly since it's their their control of the waterways not the city now do we want I think the suggestion is valid um to hold the boat canopy so maybe my new newly found unpaid expert and I can work together um and move this forward I if that's okay with you guys and we'll bring it back when um we're ready for that but I would like to go ahead if we can and move the seaw Wall Part forward to council unless someone has an issue with that that was reviewed previously a number of times by um this board so your suggestions to table the canopy section and move forward with the SE W you guys you're free to look at it again but you have seen it and um the language previous any discussion or questions regarding the seaw wall isue seaw wall yes yes Mr Man uh section 10- 281 yes C for Charlie yes um it says sorry okay it says that uh one two three four fourth yeah fourth fourth uh line down says in addition to such civil action if the council determines the maintenance failure constitutes a public nuis nuisance it may request criminal prosecution as provided by and it gives the state um I don't think that this should be left to the city council those people do not have certifications you know of how this stuff works and uh having seen some of their past actions I I think that they could actually use this to Target people and what I was gonna respond if you're not done I want you to finish okay I thought you were done no that they could Target people and uh you know and have them prosecuted uh we have a building code manager he's more than sufficient to go out and do that if they need something more to um to write um the uh tickets for this then that's fine they can consult with someone but to just arbitrarily give it over to the city council is just not right okay it's not arbitrarily giving it to city council let me explain the way work we can do this city council can do with in subsection C even if it's not written in subsection C because it's for a law so this adding subsection C here is just putting everyone on Noti this is something that that isn't is an Avenue the city could go if you still do not comply um if it was to go and you've only pointed out that that one section so we'll talk just about that if city council by a majority vote after hearing from the building official determines that this is an action that they want to move forward on all that is is the building official then going to law enforcement VI State Attorney's Office the city council cannot file a criminal charge State Attorney's Office files a criminal charge this says city council could vote to say yes let's let's entertain that let's take that forward to the state attorney's office but they themselves would not make the decision on whether to charge somebody it would be an independent investigation by the state attorney's office okay okay yes and that's existing state of fora law yes and and that can happen again that what's in see is not new I didn't create it I mean I wrote wrote the words but I didn't create the concepts they are in they are in uh Florida statute and it's really there because and and you know not 99.9% of people comply with what code enforcement and the building official asked them to do there's some people that don't and we could take them to code enforcement hearings 10 12 times they pay a fine they pay a fine they pay a fine and they never comply and they still don't comply and it may not be a slum and blight issue but we need compliance it may be a safety issue or it may just be we need them to do what they've been told to do they may be using um you their house as a hotel but it's a single family dwelling we need them to stop so the Florida law lets this city council give direction to say file a lawsuit in civil court or if there's some provision of the law that's being violated that we think is Criminal we can ref for it to the state attorney's office does that make sense yeah but it's not written the way you explained it it's not written like that in this so I think you should go back and say uh city council can go back to the building official well the building official would present it and city council well let's take step back the building official would say here's an issue to go to City manager city manager would say hey City attorney let's talk about this my my building official wants to arest somebody we would have a discussion we would look at the facts and see what is going on if it was appropriate for a civil action or an injunction I would ask Matt to bring it to you I would present it to you and tell you why I think it's appropriate not you I'm sorry city council and then city council would make that decision if it was a criminal situation same concept building official would bring it most likely to Matt Matt would get it on agenda if we think it's appropriate it would be presented to city council through me obviously giving my opinion on what what should happen next okay so there is a protocol in place yeah yes and the the resident is supposed to be part of that during that process protocol is it goes from from code enforcement to the building official building official to the city manager city manager should have a conversation with the the resident and then goes to council or goes to you and then goes to council well I can't promise the city manager will talk to the resident would be a to is there is there part of that where supp that's supposed to happen if you have a if you have a situation that's gone through the code enforcement proceeding um code enforcement at some point has spoken of that individual they've been put on notice they've been to court they've been found in violation so it's not like it's going to be a surprise um it's it's a it's a process now I can't I can't tell you what conversation is going to happen with whom during that process but the person will be on notice that they have violated I'm G yeah and you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna side with Joe on this one because you know what um I will tell you personally it happened to me this summer and I was not happy and Veronica did not like the conversation when I walked in there and had a I got a letter saying that I called my attorney immediately and said why am I getting a from the from Pasco County saying that I have a criminal charge against me because I've already been discussing talking with the building officials about putting siding ins side of my house you know I mean it was and it was not that was a very uncomfortable conversation for them well and there was no protocol that was F in so like he's saying that there's criminalization that's that's two different things I know I get it but there's the verbage is a little vague this is the verbage the State of Florida provides for such an action I can add I can add a word I can add a clarification we can take it out if you don't like it there we can remove it but understand it's still an option for city council to do these things well this wouldn't be making a less restrictive a more restrictive it just wouldn't be state yet this is this C is just giving the information to residents that these are options if you don't comply these are the other avenues that can be taken um I don't I can try to find language that I can't find any language to address your issue your issue is neither K she called it a love letter local but that is yesal violation that's what she called it that process although it feels and appears criminal it's actually not it's civil but it's just handled by Criminal Courts currently in this city I understand that yeah this is a very different process this would be much much much much further down the road um got it I would imagine we have never had to do this since I've been here obviously um it would be my recommendation if we got to this point someone would be getting a letter from me saying see CN assis do what you're supposed to do because this is about coming your way comply yeah or but that would have to be after Council G direction to so okay it wouldn't be other I have questions oh this goes back six months ago when we last talked about this and this were ended before I was asking for what the definition of Rip r is and you know I still don't know because I don't know anything about seaw walls I thought the building off I remember you asking but I thought we that with a building official we didn't do that and then what page are you on you P St WS okay thank you go ahead under definitions and then also uh title flood barrier and good repair okay from where I read this every every home on street that I live on is in violation right now because every day including not every day every high tide every extreme high tide like today like we had yesterday today we'll have one tomorrow the the water comes over the road so that makes violation so I guess we're going to jail so what you're saying only if you ignore me for a really long time no no no no no no you're not instant not instantly gonna go what happens to those people on that street first I'm I I I I don't believe this anti this is not anticipating a high tide and it goes over I think idea it's coming through right because it's breaking down that's my that's my again don't I don't build seaw walls okay may so maybe my new expert can help with that too I had to word title on there I kind of had thought it had something to do uh basically your question having to do with rip wrap rip wrap is essentially a uh a barrier made of rubble Rock Stone could be concrete uh but basically it's used to uh provide a a wave attenuation or protection to the land uh versus a what's the actual word is bulkhead there's no such thing as a seaw wall bulkhead is the proper uh term used by Army core of engineer and anybody that's in the business that's the vertical concrete structure or wood structure or whatever you desire decide to build it out of whether the water tops it or not is irrelevant as far as the physical structure itself for the definition but yeah if it goes over you're in violation yeah so as it's listed as written right now it it doesn't it doesn't account for sea level rise yeah do not as it's written in here it says um uned three or over a a title flood barrier is presumed to be in disres disrepair if it allows title Waters to flow unimpeded through or over the barrier and onto adjacent property or public right rights way that would be illegal right you couldn't make that be according to restriction to put on by the city no I just mean I think that we could I think going over is probably not our not our concern it's not in disrepair I don't know if we need to add a line in there that just says under normal title conditions well I I would encourage you to come up with some criteria of what it is because I can assure you the past building department inspectors did not understand water born construction be it on my personal situation I put twin pilot instead of tripod and when the building inspector came out he had no clue that they were built appropriately by a licensed contractor so knowing what's appropriate or not with our building department familiar with landbased construction c-based is somewhat very different so you may want to consider putting in criteria or making references to appropriate types of construction to not only educate the public but also help our building department on what you guys believe is important so do you want to table it again have a conversation have to I'm what I think we're gonna have to do is I'm going to talk to our new building official coming in that perhaps they he or she may have some information there other things absolutely the other question I have would be boat ramps okay m is the owner of that boat ramp required to build a Water typ Gate or something to prevent water from coming up the boat ramp is Nick's Park going to build a no because the top of the ramp is the same height as the seaw wall barrier so you're not really dealing with water coming in any further than what the seaw wall would stop anyway ideally well I don't know about that it goes up the boat ramp and goes down the street both directions but only if the top of the boat ramp is lower than what the sea wall would have been first place so would that be in violation it was all right so we're going to table it table that I live on the same street that Randy lives on and we spent like $10,000 onic micone $10,000 on Rock like 20 years ago I can't imagine what it would cost now but um someon one neighbor called D to come out and check out out and I had a permit and um D said this is exactly what we want we love this and they said you could even go few more feet out um but I think almost every neighbor in our whole street on the south side has this rock very expensive so so I hope we don't have to pull it out no no one's no the verbage in there for RI W just just means that you're not going to get if you have a rip wrap seaw wall or you have a natural seaw wall that this does not pertain to you because that's there for erosion control it's not there for flood barrier so that that was just that this is ver it's currently written just to exclude rip wrap from that that way you can't you don't have a neighbor that calls and goes hey your rocks are letting water through we have their rocks I'm not turn but it says this definition is meant to in is is not meant to include Rip r right comma der erosion control structures or perable peral Earth and mountains that do not provide an impermeable water barrier to Tidal flooding so it's not that means it by definition rip rat is not a tidal flood barrier right it's the way I interpret that right okay that's been excluding so it means so this is saying that our street does not have title flood barriers so we're automatically in violation because it says later on that that you shall maintain a title flood barrier I don't know how else to to read that we we also have those ramps that come down to let water out off of the street it's not supposed to be really a boat ramp but boat ramps and there's also City I don't know installed it originally it could be close to 100 years ago there are large uh Culver but there's underground pipes that go underneath our street and go some of our neighbors backyards some of them come right up at the street and there's ancient big vals in there they are all disintegrated probably so the water comes up even at high tide can come up in people's backyards so are they in violation are you going to put this the city I'm not putting City Goes to Jail no no one's going to jail unless you're going to jail if you say it one more time um no one's going to jail tonight so I'll put it that way unless after you leave here you all engage in something that you shouldn't be doing no this was just to try to address seaw walls because you have derel seaw walls in your town that are that need that need help people aren't voluntarily fixing them and there's no provision in your code to allow code enforcement to deal with that clearly this is not not the language this board wants and I'm not the person again and I'm not the person to answer most of your questions the building official was and now the new building official will be so we're are my new experts so we're gonna tap motion to table us the next it won't be the next second the motion I move that we and table this item let's table it first and then you can okay do I have a second second all in favor I okay that's table I'll entertain any other motions I have a second second all