close the close so move open I can one okay I need a motion to close the close and open the open so move roll
call chairwoman Cynthia schaer yes Vice chair Mr Russi yes Mr Randy block yes Mr Steve fario yes Mr Jim ferero yes Miss Laur ktina yes Miss Donna Drew yes okay moving to the resolutions you said that the executive
snow is being pushed right executive snow is being tabled that's some late breaking comments from board members but also Steve Gruenberg asked that it be tabled because his client hasn't gotten back to him yet with the review okay moving to the second resolution ran challenge report of adjustment
Countryside properties LLP 359 Old York Road Block 74 lot 5.39 application was bo- 05- 2024 resolution memorializing Grant of
bifurcation D1 use variants to allow a residential multif family townhouse use on property situated in the O2 business office District resolution number 20 25-01 version
2025 -3- 04 version two ready to go any comments or concerns hearing none can I get an uh motion to approve so move can I get a roll call of the
members that were that can vote chairwoman Miss Cynthia Schaefer yes Vice chair Mr dami yes Mr Randy block yes Mr C fario yes Mr Jim Ferrero Jim
Jim Jim Jim you're voting yes on the countryside resolution adoption he's muted you're muted Jim you're muted thumbs up Jim put your thumb up if you're
voting yes on the countryside yes there's his thumb okay okay thank you Miss L Christina yes Miss doners yes okay moving to the next resolution for this evening Mar in Township Board adjustment oh my gosh Shakari Krishna
parar and Kelly Hall 7 Amwell Road Block 77.0 n lot 50 application bo- 29221 resolution memorializing Grant of a C1 variances to allow two accessory
permitted garages to remain were located within the rear and side yard setback areas resolution number 20 22-16 version 2025 03-10 d version three ready to go can I
get a motion to approve yeah call out who's eligible we have a limited number of people eligible okay wait so Randy made the motion Steve you want a second I don't know well I also just want I just want to make a note it says
Miller but James was not here correct oh okay so corre we'll just take that out right okay so Steve you were here okay I was here so you're going to second I'm get a second thank you okay voting chairwoman Miss Cynthia schaer yes Mr Randy block
yes Mr Steve fario yes Mr Jim Ferrero yes thank you all right moving to the applications this evening first application boa case number 24- 2024 applicant is Dennis Hughes location block
7224 Lot 4 32 to Written House Circle application for a SE variant for structure in front yard front of dwelling the table right up to the table on a corner lot good evening okay
so who is going to be presenting or testifying okay and I assume you're Dennis Hughes yes uh I'm Dennis Hughes this is my wife terryon okay Terry do you think you're GNA be speaking at all or not probably
not okay so let's have Dennis and Jeff that's it right so Dennis and Jeff Raise Your Right hands the both of you swear the testimony you're going to give in this matter will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth I do I okay one one thing one thing before we go any further Mr Hughes just because the sound
system and everything else here is kind of not great I'm just going to need you to speak directly into that microphone thank you thank you thank you we're here on an application for a c variant to construct a a shed adjacent to our pool existing
pool um it's on the side of the property facing suin we're on the corner property of Written House Circle and suin Road and um we applied for I can address with your permission a couple of points that I think Mr Vella in his report asked me
to address with the committee um there uh condition of the property now we applied for the permit our our contractor ashforth Joe ashforth uh apply for the permit on I believe September 21st uh Mr vcella wasn't then in the
office or was unavailable I'm not sure but he didn't come back uh with a u signed permit uh uh but there was no indication at least uh when he came back that it was anything other than routine but he weren't aware at that time of the
corner lot issue um couple days later we got the denial of the permit uh because being on the corner lot we considered to have two front um front yards front yards and so
uh we immediately um at the between that that period of time and of the application and the denial um our contractor had a window availability so we did start some preliminary work which included pulling out some shrubs and um
uh in that process some of the uh fencing came was was damaged and came down so uh and he also put in a um some gravel with a wood uh frame for the foundation um so uh once we got the
denial all works EAS and we buttoned it up or he he buttoned it up uh as best he could and put up the fence uh again I should point out that we have all since the pool closing in September we have had a safety uh cover on the on the
fence on the pool so uh that was not a safety issue but it it was an appearance issue fast forward to um we made the application of course and uh fast forward to January February we were in Florida and um I saw Mr uh Bella's
Report with a photo embedded in it uh that you probably have and has the fence down and he asked me to address that um and as soon as I saw before that I called uh Mr Ashworth up and asked him to go over there right away and put the fence back up which he did and it is
back up now so that's uh addressing that point um uh so that uh I think uh oh the other um I don't know if there were any other points in your report that you asked me to address with the committee but
um Jeff why don't you focus the board what variances required how much of an encroachment is it2 that's correct so there's only one variance relief that's required and it's from section
so it's within the it's 63.2 ft from the right of way of suin where 50 ft is the front RightWay so it has a sufficient distance it's just it's it's not supposed to be located in front
yard that's correct oh okay so there it's not an encroachment no into a set just FR of the primary structure because lot I don't we to care and I think in the I'm
sorry uh in in the denial um Mr vcella suggested an alternative he asked us to consider alternative locations for the shed um the issue with the pool is that uh on
the opposite side uh it would block our our view from the inside the house into the pool area and on the back if it was on that side it would be a safety issue you wouldn't be able to see people in the PO correct that's correct okay and
so in the back on the on the the backside facing the rear of the property that side uh presents a problem because um it is it would kind of encroach on our leeching Fields there and it is an uneven it's slightly sloping away from
the pool area because the pool is raised a little bit and on and so that uh would be more of an issue for construction on that side um so that's just left us the only alternative being on that side I know of your house faces which street Written
House faces Written House Circle and the shed faces which street suin and it's going to be behind the fence I'm sorry it's going to be behind the fence no no it's going to be in front of the fence yes it would be oh I
see I see what you're saying I see it got it where is it right so here's the fence right can I have a question um what is the shed going to be used for it will be used for uh we
really have dual purpose one is uh storage for pool equipment pool chemicals uh and so forth and the other the part facing the pool U it would be that front that would the front of it would be um open to the deck of the pool
and so there would be a counter with some stools there that could sit next to the pool can you act would you be able to access the shed from inside the pool area yes yes the the part uh that would be open with a counter yes okay so it's
going to be like a almost like a I don't want to say a pool house it's not a pool house but that would Happ something like okay okay so the location is where you need it to be correct yes anybody else have any questions of either the witness or a
professional anyone from the public here to ask questions of this applicant anyone from the public here to give testimony on the application for or against the application okay hearing none can we
close to wait wait wait Jeff I have a question you're um your letter number four do we need to address that no that's what that that that's that's compant
yeah oh oh okay I read that wrong way okay right oh I got it yeah I got it I got it I got it forget it okay all right I'm going to close for deliberation does anybody want to start I think yeah yeah so I'll support
the application uh a couple of comments uh the reason for that is the location is the safest one that's what you said and U that's what sold me yes I I
would just I would just add that we've always had this problem and it's frustrating for us also a corner house with two front yards it's we understand the frustration saying is to you at the C1 hardship are there's no other location
that work and it's on yes that's what we both saying right yes correct all right can I get a motion to approve I'll make that motion I second it okay can I get a vote Miss Cynthia schaer yes Vice chair Mr dami yes Mr Randy block yes Mr Steve
fario yes Mr Jim Ferrero yes yes Miss L ktina yes Miss Donna Drews yes thank you very much good luck thank you okay John I want to move to the third one first so we can get that okay all right moving to case uh
third application boa case number 16-22 3 application is reap RTL Flemington Jersey LLC block 38 lot one 3 325 Highway 202 Amendment for previously approved landscape site design standard
you want me to read his letter or yeah please I don't have why don't you let our board secretary read what letter there's a there's an email I don't have the yeah where apparently and there's a report I
have John Morgan Thomas so what John Thomas has said move that micone closer what John Thomas has said in his memo dated March 12 2025 addressed to me
is did a followup to his March 12 prior me Memo which is attached which was a memo to the board which explained what Mr Thomas recommended to
resolve the situation and Mr gromberg wrote back an email saying that he agreed with it and he was 98% sure his client was going to agree to it and then I talked with with Mr Thomas and
said look there are a couple things I know you want do a clarifying memo so I'm going to read it as a followup to my memo of 31225 and our telephone conversation with Mr gromberg we had a three-way telephone conversation the applicant I'm comfortable that the
proposed modifications that I meaning John Thomas recommended in my prior report meaning the one dated March 12 attached to his memo to me can be addressed administratively as a field change and would not require the approval of the board of adjustment
however he notes that after Consulting with the board engineer office he believes that the applicant engineer should provide shop drawings which detail the location and volume of the CU which is cubic CU structural so CU structural
soil it's University Cornell University structural CU structural soil required for each island to be reviewed by his office and the township engineer additionally I have no issue with the addition of the proposed generator as there is minimal impact on the proposed
landscape planting so what they're waiting for so Mr grenberg said pull this thing off the agenda he doesn't if everything goes according to plan board involvement will not be needed right if he gives Mr Thomas the
shop drone drawings and the things he's requested Mr Thomas will administratively approve it and we will hopefully never see this thing again if he doesn't or he gives things to Mr Thomas that he's not satisfied with then they'll be back so that's why it's not
simply that it's tabled it's off for tonight comment I want to make a comment okay uh when I saw that uh just want to remind you John that lscape was a big issue during this review in fact our
chairperson had specifically mentioned we want to keep the facade and everything right so if you tell us based on all this that that's what they are doing then that's fine I just wanted to make sure that you're aware of that no and I and I understand that completely
and I think I think the the product that we're ending up with is what everyone's going to expect with the proper size Street trees in the parking lot I think there was just kind of a maybe a miscalculation when they put the drawings together about kind of the
volume of material that they were they were promising so I'm I'm I'm comfortable with what's with with what my recommendation said in terms of the I did R just so you understand his recommendation is contingent upon them
submitting those shop DRS yes okay so like this that's why I said if everything goes according to plan and they submit what Mr Thomas has asked to his satisfaction then it will be administratively approved if not then they're going to have to come back here and they're going to have to notice
again thank and correct me if I'm wrong John there were 16 islands that were impacted uh yes and the whole thing started because the the islands were narrower than we would normally require
and therefore had less soil yes so this was to supplement this material goes under the pavement yeah and it was 16 islands and you know they just need to come back to us and do the calculations say we have the proper volume I just
want something when they're going to construction we're not going to be there won't be any discussion at that point they know exactly how much they have to dig up and how much material they have to provide it's clear to the inspectors that's that's the bottom
commitment and our important point of making sure we have really good Landscaping lar yes that correct that's correct okay so now we're going to move to the last case of the
evening oh um can do I have to announce and then Russell recuses well you're going to call the case and you're going to recuse yourself correct all right sit [Laughter] down sorry boa case number
09-222 applicant coka Clemington realy LLC location Block 63.1 14 Lot 31.0 2 219 Highway 20231 applications for debaran for proposed two new vehicle dealership
buildings with bul variants sorry now you want to tell us something are you you recusing yourself yeah have a nice night I think she who you're just jealous case we have a another
caucus conference go get us some ice cream and bring it back there you you got to share that s I'm joking that was a joke joke I don't condone that good evening Madam chair members of the
board professionals uh my name is Cara kazinski I'm with the law firm of mcnali Yos kazinski in line and I'm here tonight representing the applicant coka plumton realy LLC uh we're here tonight with regard to the property located at
219 Highway 20231 block 63.4 lot 31. O2 and this is in the Township's B2 Zone and just by way of a little bit of History I'm sure you're all familiar with this this lot at the
corner of 20231 in Johanna Farms Road um but this property is part of a number of adjacent properties along 20231 that have been utilized as car dealerships for decades and possibly as early as 1971 based upon believe it or not a
resolution we uncovered during an Oprah search um which didn't repres reference a particular parcel of property it just said a parcel that sounded like this property along Route 20231 um but we know that this property at least immediately prior to now uh was
previously approved and used for the ditchman flemington's Ford linkoln Mercury dealerships and that was back in 1983 there was a number of other resolutions amended resolutions signage resolutions all pertaining to that prior
dealership and subsequent to that it was also approved for additional buildings which were were to be utilized for BMW and Mitsubishi dealerships but they were never constructed so the property is as it is today and currently contains a
one-story building and the property is utilized as vehicle storage by the applicant so we're here tonight proposing to demolish this one-story building and replace it with two new buildings and these buildings will house
the relocated Porsche and Lincoln Motor Vehicle agencies that both currently operate under the ca family nearby along the highway what lots and addresses do the existing portion Lincoln dealerships occupy right
now immediately to the South yeah I actually have I thought I had them hold on we can take a look and I can present that during testimony John okay um but I believe it's it's just the two immediately adjacent one and then the
adj the lot in Block on the addresses once you get y you got it um the current location of the portion linkoln dealerships will not become vacant should the board approve this application but the other dealerships at
these locations will continue to operate and I know that that's something that's important to the board because if you decide to approve this application you're not going to be left with one or two other vacant properties those properties will continue to operate so what are the dealerships that will
continue to operate at the existing location where you'll give us the address in the block and locks that will be during Curr what are the current dealerships that are going to be there well that's going to be during testimony also I have all of that lined up for his testimony okay
the use of the property as proposed will also include accessory used motor vehicle sales and motor vehicle repairs all of which are under the definition of new motor vehicle agency and that's just for purposes of the record at section
296 d151 e of your ordinances both new and used motor vehicle sales are permitted in your B2 zones as a conditional use subject to certain conditions however we do not meet all of those conditions which is
one of the reasons why we're here before you tonight okay another question the ex vehicle sales and repairs those are accessory uses or that's part of the conditional use accessory uses what's the conditional use the uh new motor vehicle agencies new and used motor vehicle
agencies I should say okay so new and used motor vehicle agencies so vehicle sales are not part of the new motor new and used motor vehicle agency they accessory uses I'm sorry as for that new and used motor vehicle sales are permitted in the
zone yeah so the vehicle sales that's that's one of the conditionally permitted uses right that's not an accessory use right I I thought accessory used motor vehicle sales you're saying used motor vehicle sales are the accessory not new that's
what I said I didn't Pi that upic used accessory used accessory vehicle Sales and Repair correct or accessory so the property the use of the property will also include accessory use Motor Vehicle sales and motor vehicle
repairs that's not the main purpose of the property but they are other uses that will be on site associated with the new motor vehicle uh agency the relief that we're requesting by this board includes preliminary and
final major site plan approval variances as outlined on pages two through five of the township planner's letter uh there's a number of them as you'll see um I can go through them if you like but our planner will testify that they are
exactly as they're outlined uh on the township planers report um and also the waivers as outlined on pages two to three of the board Engineers letter again we will go through them as well in connection testimony our professionals will further explain the relief
requested and provide what we believe believe to be sufficient proofs for the granting of this application as the board knows I've appeared before you on numerous occasions not only representing this applicant but also representing other car dealerships before you I'm well
aware of the concerns and comments of this board and I've relayed them to my client and we're doing everything possible to anticipate and address them but of course we are open to any additional comments that may relate specifically to this site and this proposal
I have four witnesses to present with regard to this presentation I have Paul Frank who's to my left on behalf of the applicant I have redem cachera he's our engineer from civil environmental and Engineering Inc I have ruie Ponte second
to my left he's our architect for Penny Design Group and I have Elizabeth mcmanis who is back there uh who's our planner from Kyle MCN Paul what's his last name Frank Frank and what's his official position with the applicant uh Director of Business
Development and special projects okay how do you spell redeems last name k u c e [Music] r and he is a PE correct correct and
Louie who and what had Lou R UI R UI Pon p o n t and what's he's Design Group he's a registered architect correct okay so why don't we get those
four sworn and our for sworn so everyone stand up who's going to be sworn raise your right hand and does everybody swear or affirm that the testimony you're going to give in this matter will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth starting with Beth
yes I do I do I do I do okay [Music] okay so unless we have any other questions I have my first witness and uh he will provide the information you're looking for John in connection to hey Mr Frank if you just state your
name for the record please my name is PA Frank f r n k and again just reiterate your position with the applicant I'm the Director of Business Development and special projects for CA automotive and how many years have you been in that
position I've been in that position for over 30 years and how long have you been with the applicant I've been with coka dealerships and the coka organization for over 42 years you're a little invested been
around um have you been in involved in other sioka projects in New Jersey yes I have and how about other projects in the township uh yes I have and in fact you've appeared this before this board before yes I have okay um do you recall
when the applicant purchased the property um not precisely but it was over two years ago and this property as you heard in my opening was previously approved uh for dealerships yes and specifically recall
uh the dealership that it was utilized as prior to soka's acquisition uh the Ford Store had their used car um dealership used car operation on that property on the subject property and what is how is the property
currently used uh there's a a reconditioning building on the property so they do U mechanical reconditioning and cleanup over there uh the rest of the property currently is used for storage of
vehicles the used car operation has been absorbed into the Ford Lincoln building and that used car building is currently vacant okay so before we get into the project itself uh there was a question
from board Council as to the location of the current Porsche and Lincoln dealerships uh do you have the exact location or uh just the general I have the general location the uh Ford Lincoln dealership is uh immediately
adjacent on the uh southern south side of ask someone to get you to get the lot and block on the address for you I think rine could probably do that okay we look at [Music] the let him answer so the POR you have
Porsche on one lot L on another lot or Porche and Lincoln are on no no no Ford and Lincoln are on lot nine n Ford and Lincoln are on lot nine in what block and they are they're collocated in that
that building and on lot they're on lot nine what block that block 6314 uh it's not no it's across the street and I don't see I 63.1
okay sorry it's okay we have the block do we have the lot for Porsche and Lot 21 Lot 21 Porsche hold on Porsche is currently on Lot 21 what block same block unknown 63.0 one that's the
unknown block could be yes okay thank you okay and so the Ford and Lincoln Dealership and the Porsche are going to be relocated to property or only the portion Lincoln Porsche will be relocated and Lincoln will be relocated they're
currently in two different buildings on two different Porsche and Lincoln will be relocated to the property so that would presumably leave Ford at lot 9 block
63.0 one cor is that correct yes so Ford to remain on lot n block 63.0 and what's going to happen happen with Lot 21 block 6 3.01 that currently is the Volkswagen
Porsche Audi dealership Porsche will move out of that into this new building and Volkswagen and Audi will stay will remain that's correct all right got it now thank you thank you uh Mr Frank do you recall when the
applicant started working on this property in this project uh a little over two years ago or about two years ago and you've been involved ever since that time yes and have you worked with the professionals here tonight throughout the design process and to get
us here tonight before the board yes okay uh okay um can you tell the board why the applicant's looking to relocate these two dealerships both um Lincoln and Porsche
U have requested that we separate their franchises out of the buildings that they're in now they don't want to be um collocated with another brand uh we also were on board with that because we think that the uh one the new Standalone
Porsche facility will attract additional business and it it'll um allow us to better serve our customers but it will also allow us to make a lot more money we certainly hope uh saw a lot lot more cars uh same with
Lincoln uh although the Lincoln facility is is considerably smaller than Porsche uh it will have a state-of-the-art Lincoln showroom with their um amenities
that that that brand likes okay and uh these buildings and the operations have been modeled in large part by the way they've been operating at their current locations correct uh yes and also by the current
manufacturer uh design requirements okay so now I'd like to uh ask a few questions that will address uh not only board's concerns uh prior concerns but also some questions that were raised uh by the board's
professionals letters um we could refer to sheet three of the engineering drawings um we want to put them on the screen is necessary for the board you have them in front of you we also have them board members have the packages in
front of them when you say the engineering plans you mean the site plans yes correct if it's part of a site plans work good the site plans are the 18 sheets of plans right okay so there was a question as to the use of the proposed buildings versus
the existing buildings so you testified uh well why don't we just reiterate what is the use of the existing building on the site it was the used car building for Ford uh it's now vacant so then the two proposed buildings uh what will each one
of them uh be used for and if you could just point to which one you're you're looking at how based on Sho break so the large building up front is the new Porsche building okay and when you say up front you say closest to closest to rout 202 yes they uh I guess that would
be the e eastern most building uh the one the the smaller building that that fronts on Johanna Farms Road is the Lincoln uh showroom and there will be both car
sales and a car prep building on uh this property as well the well Car Sales will be conducted out of both buildings uh car prep and when you say both buildings you're LC Lincoln and Porsche the existing uh building on the western end
of the property uh is the reconditioning center and car prep will be there they have cleanup bays in there so they'll be washing the cars I'm looking at CH 3 maybe I need Jeff to help me I see two buildings there's three buildings there's a building building in the back
that's an existing one to remain that's correct got it can you just repeat that existing building to remain is going to be what the existing building to remain is currently and Will Remain the reconditioning building can you Des what is
reconditioning uh when Vehicles get traded in uh they get they have to be serviced to make them retail ready so that process is called reconditioning it also includes um cleanup washing the
cars shampooing rugs that one is not brand dependent because you could take all sorts of Traders correct okay I again it's not brand specific it's just it's just maintenance and clean up and is it currently utilized in that manner yes it
is okay uh couple other questions in that vein um one of the comments in the letters indicated that both Porsche and Lincoln show intake areas for vehicle service but they're only Bays shown for Porsche will the Lincoln Vehicles be
serviced as well they will not be served served on that site they will be serviced over at the Ford service building which is immediately to the South where they're currently serviced so the sales operation will move service
will continue over there but Service uh intake will take place on this property and the customer Lounge will be on this property so the cars will be transported by whom from that property to the service property by either our technicians or lot Porters
and there would be no reason then for Bays associated with the Lincoln facility because there's no service taking place there that's correct um okay before we get into operations of the facilities there's was one more question uh that we could take
a look at um sheet three references both customer parking and visitor parking is that correct yes it does okay and could we just for the board's edification uh just show where each one of those ref ref
are since he up well let just point to let him the uh sorry the notes on the bottom of the page to know where that is but the par pave parking is shown all around the perimeter of the parking lot
fronting route 20231 facing route 20231 and extending on up uh the frontage on joh are they labeled for customer and labeled for employee no so it's customer and visitor so the question we're I'm trying to have answer the question was are customer
parking and visitor parking is there a difference between the two so I just wanted to show the board where they both are and then ask that particular question yeah what's the difference between a customer and a visitor but I don't see visitor there's no difference between
customer and visitor we have we have we have either sales customers or service Jackie clap rest in peace if she was here you'd all be dead okay one person has to speak at a
time when it's for Jim's listening even if on the recording or whatever one person's got to speak at a time I I I'm finding it hard to follow where they're pointing on their plans for us to follow so it might be appropriate if you have a board we do
have a board that's what I asked so and more detailed now that it's hard no you asked if they could you put it up on the screen we're asking can you put it up on a board in front of the okay I said I have there a board right there or listen you got a lot of people sitting in the
ordinance have someone hold the plan up right up in front of the board and have someone point out where the stuff is I I actually think we could move forward we'll talk more about parking and locations with the engineer that's a great idea okay I just wanted to get on
the record is there any between customer and visitor parking no okay ah can can one word be chosen and can the plans be revised either say customer or visitor I would recommend that they say customer okay F thank you uh while you're doing
that let's get into the operations of the facilities uh what are the hours and uh hours and days of operation of the Lincoln and Porche facility uh Monday through Frid Friday the dealerships are open from
7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. uh it's s our service opens at 7:00 sales opens at 9: well okay too fast Monday through Friday what is open 7:00 am. to 700 p.m dealership facility service opens at
7 what what does the dealership facility mean that means the entire operation of the dealership okay 7:00 a.m. to 7: p.m. does anything open prior to 7 no okay is anything open later than 7 p.m.
no okay so do you have to go into sales versus service and everything if it's the facilities opens at 7 and goes to 7 no you don't want to no how about Saturday and Sunday y Saturday is from 700 a.m to 5:00 p.m.
closed on Sunday okay can I ask you why are dealerships closed on Sunday like chickfila in in uh I'm not sure if New Jersey has the same thing but in Pennsylvania forget about Pennsylvania why are dealerships closed in New Jersey
on Sundays you know I don't know I are you aware are there any dealerships in raran Township or Flemington open on Sundays I don't know of any no I me I mean it's a great question I think if
one was they won't that okay maybe someone will have an answer later just curious curiosity killed the cat I know but I've always wondered about that no you're not not yet not
yet but you could come up and Whisper to him so he can answer okay uh all right let's go to number of employees and we're going to go very specific how I'm sorry clarification what are the hours of operation for the car preparation Center
or the refurbishing Center the existing that that also opens at 7 [Music] a.m. and they close around 6 any other questions on days hours okay number of employees how many
employees will be associated with bear with me a second I'll put it how what's the maximum number of employees that will be on the site at any one time 50 54
and looks like we have your answer okay for um why we can't sell cars on Sunday why is that last year was you could legally purchase a car to a dealership on a Sunday in the Garden State last year you
could was 1936 so it's a state law it's a state law according to New Jersey Law it's a disorderly person's offense to engage in the business of buying selling or exchanging Motor Vehicles or open a place of business and attempt to engage in such a conduct on a Sunday so you
definitely don't want to do that on Sunday now do you no you don't okay and that's it's probably related to what were known as blue laws right okay it is right on Sunday we sure about that okay maximum number of employees on
site at any one time 54 correct okay um our engineer will testify as to the dumpster locations uh and sizes uh but for purposes of operations um about how much uh it explain the waste generated by the
Lincoln site the only thing generated by the Lincoln site is is U office uh trash bathroom trash how about Porsche Porsche there's uh additional uh since they have a parts department and a service department
there's also cardboard waste from the packaging for those parts so Porsche will have uh packaging Link in even though it's serviced off site none of those parts will be delivered to that location that's correct they all go to the service and parts department next
next door okay how often uh will waste be picked up uh generally once a week if it needs to be picked up more off on that we will schedule that but since both these operations um are not as intensive as they were when they're all
in one place with other uh dealerships uh we anticipate that once a week will be sufficient and that's private pickup correct that's correct private pickup is it one time a week at the locations I don't know best of my
knowledge it's once a week but yes uh quick question about that um you've got it over here yep okay uh you're talking about the Porsche dealership does repairs and servicing did you cover um disposing of oil uh antifreeze hazardous
materials and chemicals what what do you do with those those uh materials are stored in above ground storage tanks inside the building and they get recovered by uh a licensed
um hauling outfit you have some kind of system in place okay and that would be the same system is currently operating at the other location that's correct and compant with all state law requirements the reconditioning center it did drive through the property and
observed a fairly significant number of Tires Tires behind theing building on the in other words you had tires being stored outside there were tires stored
outside so you would agree to a condition of approval and one of the testimony that he will make is that there is no outdoor storage with the exception of vehicles for sale and waiting to be repaired so we would agree to a condition that there be no outdoor storage including tires or any so
there's no outdoor surgery anything other than vehicles for sale or Vehicles waiting to be repaired correct so those waiting to be serviced I thought he said waiting for I said repair service I have no problem with that tires would be removed and if
they needed to be stored a facility a place inside for them found yep no no outdoor correct you have any unregistered vehicles that would be stored outside or everything is registered either registered and well I guess it's
unregistered when it's for sale one of the other I mean you have inoperable Vehicles stored outside taking my thunder here that was one of my other questions okay go ahead I'll you you ask all right well you can jump to that
do you agree that there no not only no motor vehicle parts but no inoperative Motor Vehicles will be stored outside yes we agree that all right so keeping with the type of vehicles uh What uh type of vehicles access the property there a couple different types
correct well all of the our inventory and customer vehicles that come in for service repair so we got for sale vehicles for sale vehicles we got service Vehicles yep the service Vehicles which are also uh customer vehicles or vehicles that we purchased
and uh in a trade in outright purchase and then recondition them uh we also have Parts uh delivery which is typically by box truck or van uh occasionally pickup trucks delivering U
parts or tires and car carriers won't be accessing this site they they get they go to the site to the West we have the probably looking for a block block and lot number so we're
talking about um Lot 32.0 4 block 6314 give me that again slowly Lot 32.0 4 block 63.4 so the car carriers make their drops there then the cars are driven
from there onto the site yes what's on that lot 3204 right now cars and storage primarily new car inventory that's that's the lot on the immediately on the western side of the railroad
tracks owns that lot and controls that lot yes okay we'll go a little bit further into uh frequency uh there are also employee vehicles that access the property as well correct yes sedans and pickup trucks right there so the cars
that are coming in by car barrier and brought over to the site when are they typically uh brought over as required uh they get parked over on that that storage lot and as uh they need to be brought over for prep for
dealer inventory we call it PDI they get driven over by our employees um and that work is done and then the vehicle either goes back to storage or goes onto this slot uh ready for sale that would be within the time period that the facilities are operating
that you testify to um the the deliveries by van and box trucks of parts and office supplies how frequently uh do they come to the site uh well the the part supply delivery is at least every day sometimes uh more
than once a day and office supplies is probably you know for once a week maybe less uh and that that occurs during bu normals business hours most of the parts
deliveries occur um during the day when service is open we we have a parts department in the Porsche building but a lot of our parts are um on demand if you will and when the parts come to the site
for Porsche where would they be unloaded uh there's a loading area [Music] show is this on sheet three again on yes on uh sheet three the loading areas outside the parts department right
there and we could show that a little more with the testimony later on um but that's where that would be taken care of in front of the Porsche parts department yes by the parks department behind the building um is there typically any idling of vehicles contrary to State requirements no and how long are the
delivery vehicles uh both for parts and other deliveries typically site uh or on site is typically parts and you know a UPS or something and they're 15 minutes or less uh I think you testify the types of
vehicles stored on site they're new used and and vehicles to be serviced is that correct that's correct okay any after hours vehicle drop off uh yes we do have customers that occasionally drop Vehicles off after hours uh there's a night drop
location location of which uh to be determined it's typically over by where the service Drive is the service input entrance so for you're saying the after hours vehicle drop off areas to be determined
well where the where the night drop keys actually get inputed that's to be determined so where do they Park their cars they Vehicles they Park their cars here so let's let's identify what here here is is the west side of the Porsche
building uh closely located to the input of the service Drive service entrance Drive are those spaces marked as uh Service drop off I think they're marked as service yes okay that's fine and and
then the U Lincoln it say sir they I can't see the plan is that say it says it says customer parking but that's for service customer parking that's what's right is that going to say you know painted service parking we
could certainly do that I'm confused those spot are all Mark E I'm sorry please say again e those spots you're referencing are all Mark Ed SP
spots no no no on the West Side whoever brought the thing up to them bring it up to them again and show them the area you're talking about because people are looking at different areas I'm seeing the same thing you're seeing the UST [Music]
mostv go back to the table [Music] figure right if that's going to be if that's going to be overnight service parking you got to put the EV somewhere else [Music] is this something that we could take a
look at uh with the engineer and and I'm quite sure we're not going to be finishing everything tonight but care you got some yeah can we take a five minute go ahead take a five minute back in five
minutes the meeting back to order okay if I could make a correction to where the uh parking will be for any overnight dropped offs it'll be if you're looking at that drawing immed imediately to the left of the service
Drive Entrance you'll see five customer parking spaces marked customer parking we can we can relabel those uh service parking if that makes it easier
clearer and then keep the EVS exactly where they are yes how many spaces are there five five customer parking spaces we it would be a rare event that we would have five people drop uh night drop their Porsches
off H good point it's not like it's Ford okay didn't think of that is a separate spot for the Lincoln or is that the same that that would be over uh in front of the Lincoln building the customer parking right uh opposite the
service Drive Entrance at Lincoln okay and again that's something and we could do the same thing there as well label those as service service if you like thank you and we'll do five there as well I don't know if that's the count there Lincoln no
no just my personal how many spaces are there for the Lincoln that have to be labeled service parking that's what we're trying to figure out yeah there there are four spots opposite the the
close to the service Drive Entrance there two handicapped and and two uh just Mark customer parking we can label those as Service as well if that's that's another thing we don't we don't take a whole lot of night drops so we're
saying there's four four four spots but don't is there also need the KN drops but is not there also a need when people come in to drop their cars off during the day to have a to cars
when customers when customers bring their cars in during the day they actually drive right into that service drive that's an enclosed the garage door open garage door opens they drive in and are greeted by one of the service advisor advisers who writes up what
service work is required or or wanted for that car and then the customer goes into the building for the customer Lounge waiting lounge or gets into a service loner and leaves the site completely so how many cars can you
accommodate when they that bay that bay at Lincoln takes four cars and I think at Porsche I think we're looking at a six car uh capacity and their
service drive thank you okay and then there was a question regarding uh lighting of the night drop area um how are the night drop areas typically uh lit where they're in their current
operations uh there's there's a combination of the uh outdoor lot lighting and wall packs uh on the building that light illuminate those areas and so you would ensure that there was sufficient lighting uh in order to
accommodate the night drop off areas yes okay you previously testified just want to place back on the record uh no outdoor storage other than uh inventory vehicles and vehicles waiting to be serviced correct yes waiting to be serviced
service in progress yes just to clarify there is a battery storage area shown in the plan that's that's an external storage area for electric vehicle batteries is that Outdoors or is that in
an enclosed building it's in a structure and I think there's it's completely enclosed building enclosed it's it's an enclosed structure it's a um masonry
building masonry and it's got a roof enclosure yes it's a building it's yes it's like a the batteries are in are stored inside a building on the site is that correct yes but it's not in the principal bu it's
not in the principal building but it's not like it's in a a structure a structure doesn't for the record that batteries are stored thank you yeah that's um the fire department really likes them yeah outside of the main building yeah so we
we can say however you'd like to word that but uh outside not in a fully enclosed structure it is fully no no outdoor I think it's fine you got a building there okay it's not
outside okay how about um washing of vehicles is any of that that take place on the property uh yes it does there's a wash bay inside the Porsche building and there are wash bays in the Recon building that we spoke of earlier and
uh those are the only locations on site that that would take place yes all indoors yes uh with proper drainage uh and uh and other disposal of uh materials or or other uh
water Etc yes that's how old is the recondition building on the site does that have those systems currently in the in other words are they existing facilities or are you going to be installing a new new wash bays in the
Recon building there are existing facilities in the Recon building the uh Porsche will obviously be new is it on now yeah I gotta hold it down to talk now sometimes you have to hold I like it um
the existing uh wash bay the um what what actually happens with the water is it recycled is it how does that uh how does that go that water goes into the um uh sanitary sewer line
okay and so so there's no recy there's no recycling of it it's not a car wash with a recycling Bay now are there any it's separators or anything like that but has the MUA you know I would have to confirm that but yeah typically there's an O
water separator grit separator uh I know there will be in the Porsche building the existing building was there long before if there's an oil water separator why wouldn't it go into storm drain why does it go to sanitary it
[Music] yeah we can confirm what's what's in place right now in the washbag and as far as RTM they're aware of it is sufficient with the capacity on site yes they have approved it we have two letters from the RTM UA that's uh in the
record with regard to that and they have reviewed the pl does the RT muua letters tell you edus or does the RT muua letters say they viewed these plans and it satisfies their edus can you just give us the what's the date on that
letter June 19 [Music] 2024 I'll look for sub one [Music] says this is a June 19 2024 letter from the executive director of the RT muua to
redeem cusher says Dear Mr Cera based on the site plans dated October 24th 2023 what's the date in Rite plans last rision is I believe I believe reading it December
2nd 2024 okay um what revision date was October 24th 2023 the original data of these points is 1011 2023 so they must have been looking at the sketch original sketch of the of this uh site plan okay but it says based on those plans there is sufficient capacity
for the usage as presented to us should actual buildout stray from the proposed plans but what has been described to us we will need to be informed final capacity usage shall not exceed 18.25 edus which comes to 5,475 gallons per day so can you just
guys just Supply a calculation showing that your sewer affluent of everything from the you know the bathrooms to the car wash to anything that's going into the sewer is give us a total so we can see that
it's not exceeding 5,475 gallons per day there was a calculation provided with the uh with the application to the RPM I'm gonna ask that you say that to a microphone and and and hold on hold on where is that
one thing at a time here want him to testify us to that now or we want to keep going no I he can't testify to it now unless he knows unless you do you have a copy of the calculation you gave to the RTM it is on the uh if I'm not you're
asking me now yeah I'm asking do you have a copy of it I have a copy of the RT mua's June 19th letter but it does not have attached to it the calculation it just it here let me show you what I have come on down it doesn't have to he's looking
he's looking here that's what okay to provide the okay so you're gonna he's going to submit right he's going to submit the calculation that was supplied to the RTM unless there's another letter car you said there's two letters do you have a letter a letter other than
June 19 2024 what I have is the report that was provided to the township of ridan dated August 1st 2024 that references the June 19 2024 letter and the only other question I was going to ask him was if there was any changes to the drawing since that October 23rd 2023
date uh with regard to any issue that would affect uh sanitary right but we want to see the calculation that was sent to them because presumably that c calculation will include the car washing
facilities we could certainly do that okay okay there was uh a question with by the fire marshall um and you pretty much covered it I just want to reiterate again the vehicles currently stored on site uh will need to
be relocated where will they be moved to they'll be moved to that uh storage lot on the west side of the railroad tracks and that was lot 32.0 that was testified to yes I I was there today I counted
roughly 348 empty parking stalls and that would be sufficient to accommodate the vehicles that are currently on the property that are on the property that are in the area within the area of disturbance that we're going to be doing okay
yes um Township planers report as whether before you move on from the Fire Marshall y um I have a question I guess to Jeff Jeff they're they're recommending a a a hydrant install that they that the the locations are not
close enough yeah we have we we have the engineer addressing that we had a long conversation with the Fire Marshall and we have a revised uh exhibit to show you that issue's been resolved no problem we can we can answer it now if you like but we definitely have that addressed okay uh Township planner
letter ask whether there's any temporary signage proposed is there any feather just feather flag Banner no the only temporary when during construction there's typically um the general contractor will have a sign uh
up on the construction fans or uh but that's not uh not with this operation not once it's all completed and built no I'll finish with him but I found here could this just now to
September September 11 20123 that date on that letter that came out before the June 19 2024 letter that has a calculation showing I 5,475 gallons per day but in looking at it it has the only
car wash is one car wash bay in the prep building it doesn't have any of the other car wash bays that he testified to so I think you should do an update to both the board and to the RTM UA on how
much the same how much sewage flow you're going to have or eliminate some of those car wash bays and send them out to some other car wash come down and take a look if this is the same thing that Jeff found I think it is show them the cover letter on there this one okay if I'm not mistaken
this you know the latest calculation is actually be building and office sales and there is a one automobile service they only they only show one car wash bay of 300 gallons per day you don't show the other car wash bays that he
testified to that are in the existing Recon building now should be on the different you know yeah yeah okay but it's still you know within the uh well you're not I don't think you are but just doation right just do the relo just do the recalculation send it to the T mua send
it to the board to clarify there was testimony that there was a wash bay in the Porsche building and a wash bay in the Lincoln building no no no not Lincoln okay in the Recon existing the existing building and those the ones in the existing
building are not shown in that calculation the one wash Bon Porsche was shown on that calculation so we'll make sure that it's revised to show both we'll submit it to the RTM UA and get a revised and the and the board and the board uh does the board want to see it
before we go to the RTM no just send it send it simultaneous correct the board is not going to be able to approve something that is generating sewage effluent greater than
5,475 gallons per day okay um temporary signage did you answer that be good yes yeah no no no temporary signage once the building's complete only the uh
construction signage [Music] that what will that be yeah what what will the signage be you're talking about the temporary construction sign yeah is that shown somewhere no it's not not on not on this
plan it would be on the building plan set on the building plan set you have temporary construction signage meaning signage along tilt fencing along things along those lines nothing yeah usually it comes afterwards but sometimes it's
it's difficult to regulate because it's not the contractor who is submitting the plan the signs they don't know the regulations and it comes afterwards and there's a long discussion of what's what's permitted and what's not permitted so it' be helpful to what you're asking for is to submit
the temporary instruction signage plan yes that's what he wants okay hold on what I I took this we talk about feather flags and Banners that to me is not construction signage because like you said that's
usually done after the fact so you want us to basically do that up front that's what he's asking for I don't think anyone's talked yet about that well he's saying there's not going to be any and that's what I thought that question referred to there's not going to be any
temporary construction signage no NOA flag the question no temporary sales Tye Flags who asked about feather flag item 28 planner's letter inquired will there be any temporary signage such as feather flags and banners that's what I
was asking him his answer was no there would only be temporary construction signage which we haven't designed yet because that's not the appropriate time period you're saying you want to see temporary construction signage now you're seeing that item 28 correct I'm
not okay I'll get it VAR all right hold on then maybe I have a number wrong give me a second 38 sorry 38 my answer to 38 is there will be none correct is that correct correct as
to 28 9 you want to go to engineering and this is not the right witness to sign you no so my apologies I had 28 down it's a typo on [Music]
my all right and then one last we're going to deal with the Landscaping lighting and and signage with some of your other Witnesses I just know that one of the concerns of the board is uh watering of landscaping is there an irrigation system on site there is an
irrigation system that Services all the grass areas yes okay and that will be connected and utilized in connection with the project if it's approved yes I don't have any other questions you have any questions for
this witness on the board I have I one go ahead Jo there see one the frame sheds to the west of the existing building are they what are they being used as sorry Jeff what was that there's there's frame sh there's two frame sheds
are they attached to the building are they are they separate on the west side of the existing building to the rear oh the the this behind that building uh yes
they're attached to the building and I believe uh believe one is where the compressor are located I'm not sure what's in the other piece of it it was some some Mechanicals oh yeah they all
need no it's an existing building the Recon building oh the Recon sorry so obviously they're only access from the outside not the inside there's no door that goes through the existing building you access them from the outside that's a question
the one of the one of the lean two pieces that's on the back of that building has a door from the inside I think that might be where where the oil tanks are the Mechanicals for the oil tanks you can look into the answer to that
question anything else Jeff no not at the time okay anyone okay and just sorry Jeff just specifically what you want to know about access you want to know what they're used for yeah I wanted to know if they were attached as part of the existing building and what what was being used
inside outside what's in got it he's already confirmed their attack all three okay asking the the individuals in the public are all for this applicant yeah is there anyone in the public that's not somehow connected
to the app no everyone out there is somehow connected to the app okay so unless someone else comes through that door you have to ask questions or coms we can move on to your next great thank you uh Bard no questions uh
like to call my our engineer okay I'm going be talking about existing conditions should I uh yeah so let's just uh just state your name for the record [Music] please help so you know what I'm doing I'm going to
be talking about existing conditions on so let's hold on let's get you qualified let's put your name in state your name for the record please uh my name is Rin Cera r a d i m k u c r a and can you just give the board the benefit of your education and
experience uh I'm professional engineer licensed in the state of New Jersey I've been licensed in 1994 uh my education came from Europe from Czechoslovakia where I was born many many months ago I came to United States in 1988 and obtained my professional license in
1994 and practice civil engineering ever since and I've been uh before this board a couple times in the past your licens in the state of New Jersey yes I am your license is current yes and you've been accepted as an expert in the field of civil engineering before other boards in the state ofers yes I have in this board
correct yes you accept them as an expert you accept thank you thank you okay so did your off prepare drawings for the projects yes inde do right and uh we have those drawings to put in front of the board um yes let's start with existing
conditions let's tell us what sheet you're on yes I'm on a sheet number two of 18 two of 18 thank you thank you so this is sheet number two of 18 it's called Uh boundary
survey existing conditions and demo plan it actually depicts the property as we were talking about it I'll just repeat the same thing Highway 20231 Johanna Farms Road ra Railroad and Midas property to the
north I think that everybody knows where the property is by now uh right now the um the the property is occupied by two buildings the one in the back it's the so-called prep building you've heard about that one is to stay and one
smaller building about 3,000 square ft building which presently serve as a uh used car uh sales office and adjacent uh kind of like a nice green area that building will be removed as well as what
you see as a white except for the building white part of the side the Shaded part is to remain that's outside of our development it is not anything you know super new it's just a slight
regrading but it has to be done because of the nature of this development um right now the the property has been accessed of of Johanna Farms Road via this one and only entry access and there is a kind of like a can canoe style
distribution of traffic throughout the site with individual driveways feeding uh not just uh the sales uh used car sales building but also the prep building and distributes the the cars for the respective parkings in all the
way all you know to the back of the of the property or on the top uh unfortunately the couple of the existing trees will have will have to be taken uh down because of this uh development in the middle of the property in this Corridor because that Corridor is going to get slightly
elevated and also you know the trees uh around the existing buildings but they'll be richly uh replaced throughout the additional green areas to be added to the site and around the perimeter of the of the site any change to the existing access
no the access is going to stay the same it's right across actually that's the only possible access because this driveway it's right up across from the fort driveway any offset would be a dangerous situation okay um any additional inform
information regarding clearing or demolition that you'd like to present no that's basically it as I said the uh what's white on this plan not shaded uh will be basically ripped out and renewed slightly regraded and new payement new
curbing will be uh will be installed okay and we'll go into this in a little greater detail but just so the board knows at the outset are we increasing or decreasing the existing impervious coverage we are decreasing impervious surface coverage by about 2% I'm sorry what percent by about
2% all right so why don't we describe the proposed development and Des would be again sheet number three layout clarification question on the existing y on the Johanna Farms Road at the entrance to 202 there's a a note that
shows um cers along the curve radius are they you're talking about you talking about this uh paved access sidewalk no do me favor go right up go
right up to her and let her Point what she's looking at bring it up to her no no she she's got the plan she's got the plan just go right take the whole thing and move it to the center right in front of that there you
go that's right B probably way I'll be probably in the way but I'll try to to be as descriptive as possible uh again you've heard it already but I I'll repeat it just to make sure that everybody's on the same
page uh the proposed site of the this this application proposes the existing building in the back soal prop Center to remain and it proposes two new buildings about 30,000 square ft of Porche two
story building fronting the highway and one store building in the back serve as a linoln to serve as a linoln dealership that's between Johanna Farms Road and up against the railroad to the bik what square footage of the
Lincoln I'm sorry square footage of the Lincoln build uh 6,990 I believe I I will read it from the plan 6,966 and for the record uh por building will contain
28,990 Square fet 28,900 93 93 squ ft is a Porsche building and what the heck let's get the square footage of the existing one to remain it says here 10,17 Square ft
okay as uh we already indicated before the entrance of of Johanna Farms Road right right across from uh Fort driveway will remain the same and the the traffic will be brought into the site to this first intersection where where the
customers and probably most of the people visiting the site will firsted into the driveway or aisle serving Porsche building either along the perimeter or parallel to the highway or via back aisle depending on you know what the
purpose of that visitor will be and the same thing with linol except there is one additional aisle to be in between the uh parkings right up right up against the against the building that parking is basically a copy of the
existing parking paralleling Johanna Farm's Road and the parking is also along the uh railroad uh the the additional parking arm site is basically the same as or we
we are remain are kind of retaining the same setup as today except we are adding these uh Islands as per the township requirements and same thing with the per perimeter parkings we breaking up the
long stretches of individual parking stalls with Islands uh containing no more than eight uh parking stores in between than you someone ask uh the the you actually learn about the operations
of these of these two buildings so again uh I said don't repeat it they learned it [Music] okay you you can say one thing there was testimony there were 54 um employees uh a maximum of 54 employees on site at any
one time correct total yes correct yes it is is there sufficient employee parking identified on the plants uh yes it is except but it is not uh I have to a apologize uh our latest revision took out two parking spaces
which were indicated for employees next to the uh next to the battery you know storage and uh your engineer commented on as a danger spot and he was right so we moved those spots away stalls away and we forgot to show two more somewhere
else so that's the only discrepancy otherwise yet we have plenty of parking to replace these two okay so the plans can be amended in order to provide those two additional employee parking space that's correct no we have 50 uh probably uh three here I count
all1 we'll make sure we have 54 okay okay you got plenty of room exactly right yes these two do 55 these two okay okay trying to
negotiate so this is this is basically uh what's uh what's proposed on site and what this layout one shows did you explain the striped are at the end of the employe parking
ofy storage and dumpster what is that just stri pav or is that a planting you're talking about this are we talking about this uh that's a structure that's actually garbage uh enclosure area regular shap
redem go up there again let her show you on her plan then go back and show everybody a sh that's the tell everybody tell everybody that's a uh painted actually painting navigation it's a navigational
painting on the uh on the ground just you know for the cars to navigate around the navigate the corner it's a regular white paint you know on the on the pavement no curbing so and there's no curving then around
those parking spots right there the last the last do no there's no there's no that's true that's correct yeah you can either add part you know curbing there or eliminate those
parking SPS that's one of the two these two options we have we're trying to be safe and keep people from driving into dumpsters or pulling through a dumpster area it seems like
cing it is a requirement it's a requirement they need they would need an exception to not have it are you applying for an exception to not have that there or not so I don't believe so so El that's going to be another revised plans to add curbing where there's no
curbing eliminate I have to look sorry can we eliminate those two these two yeah I mean we could also eliminate those two parking spaces if there's a preference to the board put do you need a parking variance no no If you eliminate them do you need a parking
variance no so why do you have parking there any parking is good on the parking sure so what's your preference what's your preference eliminate the spaces or add curbing all eliminate the eliminate
the spaces so eliminate the spaces so do question sure can you just please explain uh what is around the um the th the thousand gallon gas tank uh in the back how is that protected it just doesn't show it I'm sure it's fenced or
something but it is it is fence it is double double wall I learned double w w container uh if the question is if there is any uh containment on the ground I don't know that to be honest we're actually prepar I have that on my list
to bring we talk to around uh they're going bring testimony I have that on my list the1 are there are there b around it is there a fence around it is there a containment
thing under it they'll be brought up to the standards we want to know what's in there now and then what we may need to do in order to bring it up to standards okay I have a question and I think it's to Jeff I think so Jeff all the parking in the back and and all these frame
sheds and rooms are obviously too close and and there's a variance right okay but in looking at the Asis they're there now yes so weren't they in another previous
resolution are we asking for a variance again they have to because the time of application law said they'd be grandfathered to stay there if they weren't aren't changing the site okay once they change it up and file an application everything's up for grabs okay all right so there's really nothing
they can do well there is they knocking down one building they can knock down that building they don't want to that's why they're applying for the variance okay thank you appreciate the help though thank thought about that okay right any other questions before we
keep going know that just brought up um Jeff brought up the purpose of those extra long parking spaces you guys are going to testify on that and that's actually next on my list so you can go right
ahead well it's a little bit of a mystery to be honest but it could be used for trailer parkings or some longer equipment parkings uh on the needed basis or what kind of trailer would you have he testified that the deliveries are by box truck vans or pickup trucks
no there's no tractor trailers I'm not talking about you know like a carrier a car carriers or anything like that no we're not talking about a car carrier what kind of Trail are you talking about it could be a trailer behind the pickup truck for example they could they could park there I do not know exactly why they painted it this
way but it must have some some that existing I'm sorry is that existing it's existing situation and it's not part of our like part of our site obviously but it is part of it is part of your site yes it's a i i now let me ask you this question were the plans designed in
order to minimize the changes to the existing site to the extent possible yes NE okay so that's an existing condition um and we're not changing it correct that's correct it looks like you're using the spaces as two spaces
not one long one did you align have tce number ofes we can we can do that the ordinance actually permit back to back 15 ft deep yes or 16 ft de actually yeah and be be done uh we'll provide this
change all right so what where we land what's that change no no no no no we're saying Le it just cutting middle back to back parking okay got it yeah but can they do that because you're they're saying specifically that
it's not in the plan no it is in the plan that's what he said he's wrong it's in the anything on that piece of paper is in the plan he's just saying it's not new it's not yeah yeah and it's not part of their construction correct and the
hatch that hat box I think so the extra wide yeah he's still going to test that's the guas that's that's associated with this with this gas tank or you know whatever it's contain in
that in that uh tank there so that's like a service area for service area for that that's my that's my guess you'll come back with yeah some explanation dumpster oh location enclosure that's my specialty we are
proposing to that's his that's his big joke too uh we proposing two uh dumpster areas one common to serve the existing building as well as Linc uh along the uh
Westerly property line at this location and the other one for Porsche specifically at this location which is along the norly property line we are huge actually enclosed uh enclosures almost 450 square feet
each so they'll be fitting uh recycling bins and other necessary equipment for collecting waste more than sufficient for the more than sufficient in my op okay let's talk about turning templates um did we provide for the
largest fire truck yes we have we provided for the uh one of the largest trucks out there uh that being fire and this is actually pretty relaxed design with
no Jay what sheet you looking for sheet number four sheet number four yes and it shows that that the truck can navigate proposed Corners Prett much ease exaggerate but
it's AAG redeem yes where does the snow get pushed in the winter sorry the snow where where does it get pushed snow in the uh if if you know if we need to go back and get the answer to that question
fine let's that's not really you know right more parking spaces than needed maybe that one area that had the extra long spaces if you don't need it for parking and make that the snow pile area I'm not an engineer even though I've been accused of trying to be
one like that you must have some space on your site to do that just designated don't do it now because don't touch do it offline then come back sry can we go back to the Turning
template for the fire truck she yep I think we're on that we on that right now yeah we to other things though there no no no we haven't even gotten there yet we were changing the she4 that's a question so was your testimony just that the Turning template
for the fire trucks had no problems with all the turns that's my testimony yes I guess maybe if you could explain for me then the turns when I look at it I see a couple places where it's going over H the building the
planting Island yes but you have to the template you know when you this represents the front wheels of that truck and once the TRU driver navigates the corner he straighten his wheels this template is for continuing curve so you
would you have to you know imagine this dash line continuing straight CL okay you you you have behind the wheel you're turning your wheel to navigate the corner but then you go straight understand what she saying she's saying
that on the plan yes you had the dotted line over to I know yeah you may have been a little sloppy with the line there that's the template not me well you got to fix it because right yeah just as an yeah same thing happens on the Western
Property next to the we'll correct this and we'll show it without any interference yes yes Donna are you Donna the one question I have and I don't know if you've asked it is uh on the front 202 when the fir truck comes around the
building it looks like it's going to it it clip the building is that like you said the template it's very close well it can be pulled further out that's just the designer you know kind of show that it could be two feet away from the from the corner I don't know how to drive
those things so yeah you're not no imagine imagine this imagine this curve being moved further out okay and it can be okay then you are 10 15 ft away from the corner okay and it can be
it can be uh fixed as well maybe that's why we got the retaining yeah no it's not reason okay it works uh I think that we can go yep okay um yep while we're on it can we talk about
the retaining wall while we're on it can we talk about the retaining wall whatever you [Music] want she was hoping you were GNA say we can talk football after see he knows me
not if we're talking about the okay I know um the purpose of the retaining wall and it's so close to the property purpose of the retaining wall that down the property [Music]
maina I'm sorry how [Music] okay you know the retaining been seen lately and disappearing yes okay thank you okay so just quickly I'm sorry go
ahead Donna did you have another question yeah um a general observation given that the impervious coverage is still significantly exceeding even though you're reducing it by 2% it seems like there's an awful lot of extra impervious
coverage in the northwest corner was there any attemps orud add landscap well as I testified before this his Corner although Don will disagree with me 100% I know that and will be
yelling at me it was not part of the design of not they elected not to propose anything there that doesn't mean that the board can't say something in fact I think John Thomas wants to say something that because he pulled the microphone
[Laughter] away wow okay well I guess there were two issues and I did bring it up in my report so that you know why basically why wasn't that portion of the site included in looking at the parking area
the way we look at the rest of the parking areas which is why isn't there why aren't there landscape islands and trees every eight spaces and then the second part of it is which I didn't mention but when I look at that getting back to the impervious cover it looks to
me like there's a drive AIS there between the parking spaces that's shown that's must be 60 80 ft wide so it appears that there would be a spot unless it's going to be used for parking and that's something different but right yeah given that
variances are required for parking close to property lines what is the proposed shown on this plan which includes the areas you're not touching now I have to be accurate because I'm under the I have to go back to the
layout it's too I believe 2% 55 is [Music] maximum okay so existing is 85% proposed is what and maximum allowed
55 55 the maximum allowed what's the propos 82.4 yeah which is not a whole lot and if you you did something in that back corner got rid of a lot of infer you can really send that imperious down and get more
Landscaping satisfy the Bo on that that's something you should take back and discuss on the list isn't there a blood acid area in that
just to the make it more useful and lay be and that way of the this thing understand Mr Thomas is
saying is that would be a good start but he's also suggested just return some of that we'll we'll talk with John when you repave are you repaving the place that you gr you said you're Paving the whole that
no you're not no not the whole okay this sh area will not be okay yep I got it here y you have left 95 15 minutes else you have all right uh just sticking on I figured if
we were talking fire trucks figur just go to the fire letters we had two fire letters one August 24th and then a revision January 6 2025 um nowhere in either of these does there seem to be a concern with regard to the templates but we will definitely
go back and make sure that they are fixed so that they don't hit uh any curbing areas or any building areas uh ran was there a concern with regard to the location of the hydrants and the location of the fire anything in either
of those yes yes that's what I'm getting to that's just this one okay so there was the original letter in which the dates all right so the August 24th 2024 letter is there there's that one and then there's a revised letter
January 6 2025 we are willing to comply with everything in those letters with the exception of the request for additional fire hydrants and additional fire department connection can you talk about our discussion with the Fire Marshall and what happened as a result [Music]
that I'm sorry and we're gonna have to mark this I'll mark this one okay uh we had a no this is a new one showing where the new Fire Department connection is going to be based upon our discussion with the Fire Marshal oh this isn't three has he
sent the new letter in no not yet we had a Tuesday and need agre to it Tuesday say Tuesday Friday Friday Fray yeah that's great you're saying it's on he reviewed what you're show the board no he has not reviewed what I'm showing on
the don't show the board show it to him and make sure that he says yes all I can say to you is we said we're going to put it here and he said okay so if you want us to do that we could do that but that's the exact location that during our Zoom call we said we're going to put
it here and he said okay so whatever you want you get a from okay we'll get a third one that's fine that's fine so I'm looking at the January 6 2025 left
correct everything says compes compes compes water FDC to be the Turner yeah I thought we were talking about and then that last one on last part on the bottom is what we're talking about that's so we had our call with him
on submit that thing to him ask one of these if you hases on it you're done you don't have to exp will do that what else you got uh what else I have for you there was a comment with regard the
fact that site triangles are not depicted on the site plan and the landscape plan uh why are they not shown well we we had a discussion with the engineer about you know the site distance and the the plan Landscaping plan actually show sufficient site
distance at the entry or at the exit from the site that's [Music] engineer comments what number of com that's what I'm looking for J
sorry go thank you y I can I can speak to that that comment's been satisfied um we met with the appin engineer twice after issuance of this memo and we clarified
that uh the landscape plan does show the site triangle uh or site sight line I should say it was just uh okay so what we should do is have y okay what what else you
have uh talked about the n if we stick with the engineers letter that probably makes sense um testify to that was testified to Turning templates just to these parking
spaces all right item 25 um the proposed testimony regarding the proposed sanitary sewer ladder ladder role that's below the finished floor of the building um discuss that with the engineer yes we discussed that and I believe we reached an agreement that this would be okay
yeah we did discuss it based off of the the inverts uh the applicant uh designed has no choice but to have it design the way to I apologize I believe in the microphone uh item number 25 in my memo
speaks to the fact that the applicant is constructing this building over top of the existing Sewer Lateral and our comment was that you should reroute that sewer L around the proposed building however ever due to the fact that the
inverts um the actual pipe elevations won't permit uh rerouting it because that would increase the amount of fall in the pipe and the there's not enough slack in in the elevations to permit that so the op's only other choice is to
to construct it the way they are which is to encase that pipe in concrete and build build the building over time satisfy you yes satisfied yes what else okay uh going through St
Water Management there were a number of comments there's been discussions between you and the engineer um any outstanding issues there I don't we don't believe there are but just check it yeah the majority of our conversations with uh the applicant Engineers were concern the storm
management calculations and subsequent to the issuance of this memo they have provided addition calculations to satisfy our our comments correct okay so then presumably that's all going to say satis satis that's correct so 28 through 33 you're
going to where it's not satisfied you're probably going to say satisfied okay and if the impervious coverage is reduced then think calculations will need to be run again yes yes the calculations would be run again but
presumably or not presumably be better yeah right else 35 will a proposed Landscaping have any impact on the existing or proposed utilities and plant root root depths will not conflict
ises that it will not to my knowledge it will not okay wait what was that if there is any inter if there is any potential interference between landscaping and any piping proposed piping my answer was not to my
knowledge John you okay with that also yes okay 36 uh the applicant should provide Lighting in the northern corner of the lot is that something that we can do well put it this way if you remove a lot of that stuff landscap all right
we'll go we'll look at that yep okayy and lighting there is a lead lighting right now so there's lighting now it's not showing on your plan and lighting around the because it's not part of my design yeah it's not part of
your design you got existing lighting that's not reflected on the whatever you're going to do back there either hopefully satisfy Thomas understood Don I heard you say something
about there's issues of lighting from a safety perspective when you have a fueling facility that it gets dark in the winter at 4:30 and the facility is open until later so lighting he's he's saying he's got lighting there that's not sh on the plant but I'm saying is
when they do the other stuff in the Northeast got to add existing Lighting on the plan so you we so the board can see yeah where it is yeah espe you have handicapped parking and things like that it probably would be good that take fully agree but I would just
add that you know this illumination was approved by the uh sometime can we go back to reest for a second so I remember reading that that this appr some time ago yeah irrelevant and they're coming in not
just with an application major absolutely right you got stop saying that okay so I remember reading that there was a a video of the of the lines and and they were blocked by 55% or
something not by 55% yes I will yes I will we provided the uh underground TV of that underground stor water management system and uh the uh ground penetrating radar determine the the outline of that system
and then they send the camera through the system 55% is a little bit too much I believe it's 20% more you know what they what they provided in their report I'd have to go back and look at the report sorry I would have to go back and look at the report yes I know uh but it's you know some of it yes there was
some some signs of uh soils and sediments in the piping and also some root system growing into the piping via perforation because those pipes are high density polyline pipes with perforations to provide for some recharge even at the time what do you do about that well we
have to be we have to be removed have to be remov okay so you will have to replace yes they will be heavy Jed we going to open up the system and we J it you know to clean to clean it and make it fly I'm sorry was that submitted to the board file yeah but I don't know I
believe the results were you I provided the the video report was yes yes came yeah yeah I submitted okay to wrap it up we got it through the
thing okay can I do one just one thing just to put on we finish not Noe no no are we going to address all the com new comments in the engineers letter dated December 7 as of December 17
2024 all the Bold comments start new comments as of December 17 2024 inold yes do you agree that all those should be made conditions of any approval we and we will reflect what we can on whatever revised plans are submitted to the bo now except some of them for
example the fire truck turning template he's agreed to red doing that because one of the board members asked a question and that correct so to the extent that they need to be shown on the new plans we will do that otherwise yes we agree so when is the next available
hearing date for the continuation of the hearing in this application well let me ask so any revisions that you do are we considering that the 21 days yes okay car so you understand car the board
is not going to be granting waivers from the 21-day rule going forward it's created nothing but problems for them so the 21-day rule is going to be strictly adhered to except like in an emergency okay and not even then yeah really an
emergency like I I would prefer to know up front sometimes when I'm sitting in your spot the Lucy goosey makes it much more difficult so okay so knowing that redem knowing that the revised plans have to be in 21 days before the next hearing when is the soonest you can have
the plans in so we can figure out when the soonest is we can continue the hearing not proper English but you know the point [Music] okay so what I'm going to do instead is just offer
you reasonable dates the first I can really offer you would be May 1st but no offense I'm not sure if you could really get that in the 21 days if not then you're looking at May
15 so listen here's the other thing we're doing want to if we give you may one okay and then you say we can't make it may one give me the 15 yeah it's better May 15 okay and Jeffrey can you please look at their
time okay so maybe a Time extension to the end of June the hearing in this matter is going to be continued to May 15 but I I want to get time extension 60 days Beyond not just 30 days Beyond July 15th July 30th yeah July 30th extend to
July 30th okay a letter for that too or just on the record you know what it'd be easier with a letter to to the file right yes and so let's just take a moment so then the 21 days would be one to April 24th so the hearings continue to May
15th without further notice but the revised plans must be in by what did you say the date was April 24th April 24th and there's going to be there's a new
exhibit policy exhibits have five days five days before exhibits just so the board of professionals get to look at them before you show them to the board for the first
time again this is all to try to make the hearings more efficient and less time consuming the more things that happen ahead of time the less time it's taken up at the during the hearing and can we do you have any
problem if we send copies of what we're submitting to the board directly to the professional we want you to send direct copies to the board professionals you send to the board secretary with copies to direct copies to all the board professionals and you need how many 15 yeah 24th we
need not the 25th that's a Friday the Thursday right and they are now on alone on the 15th okay they're on alone you're yeah and so so when you're told you're it on the
15th the board's expectation is that this hearing is going to complete on the 15th that's the other thing they're doing they're not going to have two commercial cases on the same night anymore I love this all right direct copies to the board 15
of them and then to the okay okay good thank you everyone okay I get it anything else what anything else I just just so we know next meeting is
Flemington Family Partnership tomorrow getting them okay can I a motion toour I got five boxes sitting in my office for me you are trying to
do so first of all the chicag Bears are trying to ban