##VIDEO ID:JXA4W83buHw## going to order the Zoning Board of adjustment R in Township New Jersey regular meeting August 15 2024 the notice requirements of the open public meetings act has been satisfied by the placing of a notice of this meeting on the Bolton board at the municipal building filing same with the Township Clerk and transmitting same to the hunter County Democrat The Courier News The Star Ledger and the Trenton Times Roll Call please chairwoman Miss Cynthia schaer here Vice chair Miss rosul DJI here Mr Steve fario here Mr Randy block here Mr Jim Ferrero here miss Lindsay Kel she has asked to be excused miss lorett ktina here Miss Donna Drews here Mr James Miller here board professionals board attorney Mr John drill here Township planner Mr Jeffrey ferella here board engineer Mr KES Dari on behalf of traffic consultant Mr J Troutman we have Mr John Ria right John you're on you're muted John Ray is here thank you sorry board planner Miss Jessica Caldwell she is asked to be excused Township L landscape architect Mr John Morgan Thomas here Bard sonographer Miss Jackie clap here and board secretary Taylor vaugh here can I get a motion to excuse Lindsay Co bral second roll call please chairwoman Miss Cynthia Schaefer yes Vice chair miss Mr rul Domi yes Mr ranty Block yes Mr Steve Faro yes Mr Jim yes Miss Lor ktina yes Miss doners yes okay moving on to comments announcements having none moving to distribution correspondence minutes nothing moving to the resolutions we have four resolutions this evening Bren Township Board of adjustment Richard and Tracy Eli 35 Millstone Drive block 63.0 4 lot 11 application boa -21 d223 resolution memorializing Grant of a C1 variances to allow one deck patio septic system and fence within 100 ft of the top of the bank of an existing stream and two disturbance of soil within 75 ft of the top of Bank of an existing stream to allow enlargement of the deck and installation of a fence resolution number 20 24-1 ver version 20 24-8 d06 dv2 any comments or adjustments or Corrections hearing none can I get a motion to approve I'll say can I moved I'm sorry who Moved Randy that was Randy and I seconded can I get a vote roll call chairwoman Miss Cynthia Schaefer yes Vice chair mrul DJI yes Mr Randy block yes Mr Jim Ferrero yes okay moving to the second resolution R and Township Board of adjustment kupal M Madar 8 Hastings lane block 72.2 4 lot nine application Bo a-2 d224 resolution me memorializing Grant of a C2 variance to allow 1,980 square fet of accessory structure where a total of 800 square fet of accessory structure is the maximum permitted resolution number 20 24-7 version 20 24- 08- 07- V3 any additions or Corrections hearing none can I get a motion second okay can I get a vote Jackie that Jackie that was Randy who made the motion and R second roll call chairwoman Miss Cynthia schaer yes Vice chair Mr rul DOI yes Mr Randy block yes Miss lorett ktina yes and Miss Donna Drew yes okay moving to the next resolution R and Township Board of adjustment Jeff Wadsworth 42 rake road block 20 lot 12.01 application bo- 07- 2024 resolution memorializing Grant of a C2 variance to allow 2,600 57 Square ft of accessory structures where a total of 800 square ft of accessory structure is the maximum permitted resolution number 20 24-8 version 20248 d07 D version two any additions or Corrections yes on this one on page two you'll see that I have five large x's in yellow highlighter what has to go in there is ordance section which is 29695 capital D1 that's page having trouble hearing it John just hold the button until it's green about now Jackie they give me you know the magic microphone and anytime I want to talk it goes off okay so on page two paragraph one the fourth sentence I had five large X's yellow highlighting to fill in the ordinance section and I forgot to fill in it before I sent the second draft out the ordinance section that goes in there is 296 d95 Point capital B Point pen one and Pen period Then on page three the same thing I had four large xes is highlighting to drop an ordinance section in there and that ordinance section is 296-9525 I'll okay who seconded I didn't hear who made the motion Randy so farsio made the motion Randy seconded you guys got to pull these microphones close to you I mean listen I get yelled at all the time it's not my fault the microphone turns off yours are on Steve you have to hold yours because yours is the one that makes that noise there you okay and it's not on it means it's on yeah okay can I get a vote Yes roll call chairwoman Miss Cynthia schaer yes Vice chair Mr rul Dy yes Mr Randy block yes Mr C fario yes Miss loret ktina yes Miss Donna Drews yes okay moving to the last resolution bar Township Board of J oh yeah sheesh kala kala pakal thank you block 40 4.02 lot 26 24 Tiffany Drive application number Bo a-05 d221 resolution memorializing the grant of a C2 setback and hard surface coverage variances to allow the construction of an addition and deck resolution number 20 20 24-9 version 20 24-8-12 D version 3 any changes or Corrections nope this one's good to go and those can I get a roll call please oh I'm sorry can I get a motion so move Randy BL second fora roll call please before that John the microphone had went I don't know what else to do I have put batteries in it I'm sorry so you have to make sure the light is green light is green and we'll see if it stays on I'll check every time before I speak I'll check the button okay roll call chairwoman Miss Cynthia Schaefer yes Vice chair Mr rul DJI yes Mr Randy block yes Mr Steve fario yes Miss loret ktina yes and Miss Dodgers yes okay moving on to the applications for this evening we have two applications uh for those who are here for the applications with two applications obviously we will split the time okay the first uh application is BOA case number 22-22 2 application executive Snow Control LLC 68 Route 31 LLC location block 35 lot 5 5.01 12 13 68 Highway 31 and 120 124 126 Pennsylvania Avenue applications for a preliminary and final site plan with d variant and lot line adjustment for contractor business yard good evening good evening Madame chairperson members of the board Steven Gruenberg Gruenberg law office on behalf of the applicant and we're very happy to be here this evening to present our application for preliminary and final site plan approval with uh D variance and C variance relief the board may recall some time ago we appeared before you um where we needed some signed variance relief and some issues came up about the existing uses on the site and the way it was configured um and we promised to come before the board to present this application which we've done um and we've come up with some unique ways of reconfiguring this property so and all of the properties that are owned essentially by the same principles although they're in different business entities um to put the the uses that are currently going on site on the appropriate l Lots so we're adjusting those lot lines in order to make um the residential lots solely residential lots and the lots that have businesses on it merging them in together to make that all appropriate for the use that's going on it's not green lots that are being merged can you give us the lot numbers I you know what can I do that through Rob because it's it's probably a lot easier for him to show it on a plan and we have a specific minor subdivision plan it it's they're being subdivided and merged and it's a little bit complicated for me to be able to just tell you that we have to really see it at the same time but the application is for four existing lots lots five 5 i1 12 and 13 is that correct that's correct and what you're telling us is there's going to be a merger and a reconfiguration correct and creation of new two residential lots right correct and then the then then what else and then things are being merged into Lot 12 um but parts parts you really got to see it because parts parts of the lots are being uh um merged from the residential lots into Lot 12 but then parts of Lot 12 are being reconfigured into the residential lots and a new lot line is being drawn in between the two residential lots to make them more conforming even though there'll still be C variant [Music] relief only my only question is I mean I guess it's too late now because you're using Lot 12 again but if you used new lot numbers it would be a lot easier if you used all new lot numbers it would be a lot easier to figure out what was going on but why don't you have him do his explanation maybe that's something that we can in terms of perfection too but it it it'll it'll make sense hopefully when testifies I have no idea who just spoke sorry jeck it's Jeff beara I asked Steve if the tax assessor approved the the lot lines or lot numbers yeah I don't believe they were we can have Rob testify to that I'll keep my eye on the green just's get that to [Music] Jeff so we provide two experts are going to share the the mic that so we provided proof of service and publication of the notice of hearing in advance and would request that the jurisdiction be confirmed so I reviewed the content of the notice and it is satisfactory and I'm the board secretary if she reviewed all the certified yes I did everything is satisfied okay so in my procedural jurisdiction over the application you know [Music] what want to grab that one Steve before you get started just to let you know uh you'll go to about 8:30 okay then we'll take a break and we'll then hear the second application and then if if I were you stick around because hopefully that application goes fast and you can come back on again I'll I'll talk to my client about that that might not work out for us but talk about that um but what I would like to do is because the site is a little bit confusing I I would normally call my uh the operator and the owner of the property first to tell you what's going on and what is proposed but I'd like Rob benedetto to come up first to present the plan and show it to you overall so that you're oriented with the site have him sit down and then I'll call Mr shambre up to talk about it and then recall Rob after that but I think it's good to orient you to the site I can tell you what I need that I got to be oriented I I had to sit down for 20 minutes to figure it out myself okay how can you have your Witnesses stand up just so I can see how many and who they are three Witnesses okay give me their names please and spell their last names for me into the microphone Mr shambre Kerry shambre s h m b r e okay Ander Mr shpr is a factual witness or witness own um member of the uh various LLC and member of the applicant member of all the llc's some of the llc's all of them okay member of all the llc's okay next Robert benedetto B NE d t o wow I did good he can't spell Gruenberg and he's a he is the professional engineer and he's the applicants engineering expert that's correct who else isabeth mcmanis MC m n and she's the she's a professional planner and she's the applicant planning expert correct that is correct okay can you guys uh introduce yourselves the board professionals please start right there and go right around the horn Jeff aella Township planner brast DG Township engineer John Ray Township traffic traffic engine landcape you go last John Thomas board landscape architect okay can everybody that's been identified raise your right hand does everyone swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give in this matter will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth and we're going to start right over there and go around the horn Jack you hear any of this the I do yeah it's okay I do I do I do I do my mic I do I do I do I do and Mr Rea I do okay set Mr benedetto can you please give the board the benefit of your qualifications uh I am a licensed civil engineer in the state of New Jersey and a number of other states uh practicing civil engineer for over 11 years um license is in good stand ing in all states of which I have a license and I've appeared before this board a number of times I offer Mr when's the last time you appear before this board December the board of adjustment or the planning board this the board of adjustment I don't apologies I've appear before the ran planning board I don't think I've appeared before the board of adjustment I don't think so either okay anyone have any questions about his qualifications is there anyone in the audience that's here on this application other than people that are here with the applicant no no okay okay you accept him as a engineering expert anybody on Zoom oh anyone on Zoom good point we have one person on zoom two you got two two we have two pre bill on Zoom anyone have any questions about Mr Benedetto's qualifications no I believe they're here for the other app okay okay we so um rob you have an exhibit that's on the board that was not supplied as part of our uh submission but uh we did provide it in advance so this is the aerial exhibit the line aerial exhibit correct okay so let's keep what's on the board as demonstrative and let's put a small one in the board file as A1 okay you can let me just make sure this is the one you're talking about that's wait wait wait wait so you're saying when you gave me that's exhibit that's just it blown up yes yeah I have it yeah confused yes they they have they already have them and I will have it on Zoom just one moment she okay great so this for for the record this is going to be A1 Jackie and it is titled 68e 31 FL inton LLC Dash lot line aerial exhibit and it's dated August 14 2024 thank you so Mr benad Deno will you uh Orient the board to the site uh sure so uh if you're looking at it on the left side that's Route 31 the top side across is Pennsylvania Avenue uh on the left side the left hand inset the yellow lines indicate the current property lines uh and then on the right side what we're proposing is in Blue uh and the long and short of it is uh the the top right properties are uh the Pennsylvania Avenue residences uh right now we're planning to split the those lots in half and make them their own residences as you could see on the right side while making the uh main property its own lot sort of consolidate the residential area and the non-residential area so uh question yes so I'm just focusing on yellow side which is existing yes how do those lots map with lot five 51 because I just see a one two three it's really faint hang on one second so 12 is this big one on the left where problem can you bring this up to I can see it now I do see 12 so looking 12 right here 13 is down here five is this sort of z-shape 5.01 is this long narrow one along the uh Eastern side outside of our application different ownership just there for reference okay you know what let's make this big thing the exhibit can you please write on theot Steve I got it it's up there but it's not g it's not helpful because there's no lot numbers on is so right in the lot numbers please and again the lower right hand corner put a81 with today's date please people and after you write in the lot numbers please cross out those four lots that are not part of the application well then the let the one on the right hand side lot six that big long one should be crossed out too that's correct okay and then after I can take a picture and then I'll put it on the screen for everybody y let let me just see before get I can't remember name I also I think this is going to clear it up once yeah I also have one other question uh the lot one two three 4 and six uh do are they owned by the same party or they're totally out yeah thank you those lots are outside of ownership of this application separate Lots so they're just neighboring Lots yes thank sh for reference yeah picture of this six is yours all okay so one two three four are not yours and they're residential but six is not part of this application though right okay six is owned by the applicant but not part of the application thank [Music] you you don't own one right no Lots one through four own separately one is Dunkin Donuts [Music] ex I just think as assuming that the application is granted there should be a condition that you abandon the existing lot numbers and you get all new lot numbers for the proposed conditions okay meet whatever the tax assessor wants us to do however no I want to do it so so it's the resolution refers to the the new proposed lot numbers I'm happy to do that ta us do that attack the tax assessor tell her you're in the middle of an application this is the existing the board has requested new lot numbers and ask does the tax assessor have a preference they will tell you use those then everything's clear that's fine okay so Rob one now that we have the lock numbers legible why don't to explain to the board how we're reconfiguring the lots and the reasons for doing that so we're Rec figuring to three lots um the two Lots at the northern side are along Pennsylvania Avenue they'll be the each the residences will have their own lot and then the remainder of the lot will be the non-residential features of the uh the existing lot so it's basically consolidating the lot into one non-residential use so what you're saying is you're going to take five lots and subdivide them into three lots four Lots four into three lots four four Lots into three lots got it Mr preso why um the corridor that runs over to Pennsylvania Avenue sure that uh on the existing conditions that is access to the rear lot um the applicant would like to keep that as uh an access off of Pennsylvania Avenue should he need it in the future okay that's why it's shown the way it is clarification on that is that currently in use because I couldn't find that driveway when I drove down Pennsylvania Avenue it it's not in use um but again would like to keep it there in case uh we wanted to use it in the future how wide is that about 10 feet also I don't understand how would you is this going to be an easement or no it exists I understand so so that that uh Flag Staff so to speak is going to be part of Lot 12 yes and existing lot 13 is that residential right now no this is this is all uh five and 13 are a similar use so we're trying to so consolidate them the reason I'm asking is and I should have said lot five that's not residential right now there is a residence up here but what is the uh the rest of it no what is lot five is it commercial is it business is a residential it it's half commercial and then there's a residence on the top so what has been identified is lot five residential is it combined or is it just yeah oh the zone I'm sorry it the the line actually runs through the property so the the top part is a residential Zone the bottom part is a B2 commercial Zone exhibit draw the Z thank you thank you [Music] stream is right there [Music] doesn't okay I wouldn't know if it's right or not Jeff can you look at it okay he our six above the line and B2 below the line is that correct that's what I heard okay and I'm sure that Beth McMahon is probably before next time is probably going to do some sort of exhibit as my guess but can you take a picture of that please driveway in a different Zone that stem is in a different it's not we'll clarify now there's some still confusion on this end of the board so the again to clar by that little that little FL Steve bring that right in front of these three please Marcio Drews and Miller so the the little flag lot stem that goes from the B2 Zone through the r six Zone to the res to Pennsylvania Avenue that is in fact an unimproved area there's no currently no roadway or any kind of access point correct okay all right you guys want to preserve that for a possible access way later on correct it but what is the dimension of that stem I I believe it's about 10 feet wide maybe 12 feet wide off the top of my head it Escapes Me Okay that the environmental features on that Jeff Jeff Jeff can you just can you explain the environmental features that are located in that portion of uh yes there's a riparian buffer um that it might present challenges to uh construct that in the future um we haven't explored you know exactly what type of Permitting it would involve but it would certainly involve some sort of D permitting but we're we're not proposing the access now we're not proposing any development to it now we're just not you know we're maybe sometime in the future somebody down the road no pun intended might want to try to use that access but we're not proposing it now and anybody would have to come back before the board to do anything but I guess just the clarification is because that goes through to a different residential Zone and it's not an industrial Zone that's where if if they proposed to improve that road at some point in the future they would have to come back to this board for a use yeah and I think correct me if I'm wrong the the the purpose of raising that issue in the board's professionals reports was to confirm that we're not doing any improvements in there and we're not doing any improvements in there now that's not part of this application why don't you ask everyone feels here on existing and proposed just to see if you need any more explanation is there any to take a look this little closer and have us explain what we're doing in terms of merging of the lots and subdividing I'm not hearing this anybody wish for us to show the exhibit closer so that you can see what we're proposing in terms of merging the lots and subdividing Steve you good I think yeah bring it up to him please just so I see what you're doing and and obviously the two residential right here Steve the two residential here are going to get their own Lots right that's correct okay and then what is just the just I think you said it already but it's what lots are being actually merged it's 12 uh here here's here's the issue if they used a new Lot number yeah right that's where I'm going then they would have merged Lot 12 lot five and lot 13 into a new Lot number instead they're merging Lot 12 lot five and lot 13 into this thing called Lot 12 that's correct all right and that's going to that's going to be uh determined eventually at the End by the tax assessor whatever whatever she wants well and we're suggesting they asked the tax assessor ahead of time so before the next continuation when Beth comes back with an exhibit they're not going to have a lot 501 anymore they're going to have a lot my guess is a 502 a 503 and a 504 that's going to be my guess but we'll see what the tax assessor says all right but that that's something that okay I it will make it clear as a bell when you look at it agreed and I I just want to make sure that from what I could see on this thing is that you're going to have um the two residences are going to have two lot two new lot numbers obviously and then you're going to basically the tax assessor however you guys approacher with that will determine whether or not this is going to be merg into a lot 12 or some different number right and correct me if I'm wrong the two residential lots are located in the R6 Zone correct I can answer that yes Rob yes okay and the merged lot of whatever it's called is all in the B2 Zone correct correct no the access oh the access way is in the r six you're right that's correct and there the the two residences here this is obviously there's no one here for this application correct right all right so I mean well hold hold on well they are we own those all right he's here right that was my that was my I was going to I should asked that first yeah no we we own the applicant owns those two lots or principles of the applicant on those two lots correct correct it's all the the same principles or similar of the principles of the different entities so there apparently there's a bunch of llc's but at least we know that the gentleman sitting in the front row with the white shirt and the blue jacket he's involved in all these llc's including those two residential lots is that correct Mr gromberg that's correct okay I'm I'm good Rob why don't you explain generally what's on the uh portion of the Lots in the B2 Zone uh currently it's it's a couple buildings and mostly used for a snow removal company um they uh so a lot of contractor storage material storage and uh uses of that nature can you be more specific like how what's the usage today I'm going to have uh Mr shambre testify as to all of that I just wanted to confirm that all of the business uses other than that stem are in the B2 Zone you know I think that's probably good to orient the board to the site and I think you're chomping at the bit probably to hear what's going on more of the site and the history of it correct sham yeah correct I think you accomplished your goal by having Mr benedetto explain to the board you know the 30,000 foot level of what you want to do and yeah they want to hear from the principal so one I'm GNA Reserve calling Mr benedetto and Carrie why don't you come forward yeah I'm G give you I'm GNA give you that mic can you spell your last name again slowly please sure it's a s c h e m like Mary be like boy r e and Mr shambre are you the principal of all of the LLC entities that are listed as the owners as part of this application yes yes that is correct and you have a business interest in each and every one of them yes and when did you um purchased the uh the main lot 68 that's owned by 68 Route 31 Flemington LLC which is Lot 12 uh March of 2018 and what were your purpose in in purchasing that lot and all these properties quite honestly uh the primary uh purpose was for business operations uh so we are a commercial uh facilities maintenance company um uh we uh provide uh Facility Services mainly exterior to Industrial um retail uh and Commercial uh properties as a company so that includes snor removal Landscaping uh and other service lines and what was the previous use as far as you understanded of the main lot uh the property was Flemington block so it was a Manu facture of block and cement it was an industrial type use yes yeah heavy industrial and um what have you done uh to the site in order to bring it uh up to its current current status uh the first thing that we did was uh take over uh there was um there was uh an environmental case on the property uh we took that over and we cleared the case we probably spent around $300 to $400,000 to do so um to uh to get a letter of no further action and to get uh completely there's there's no deed um deed notice or anything like that um so there were some things on the property that that it was that needed to be cleared so we did that we removed all of the garbage um and debris that had accumulated over a long long period of time um I'm sure that the cleanup was in excess of $100,000 total over extended period of time your voice up okay sorry about that and what type of garbage and debris was on site uh there were abandoned boats uh there were there were uh 100,000 uh defective uh block uh that were left there um there were just garbage of all different all different kind mainly debris mainly debris um so we cleaned all of that up removed it uh we um also started to you know rehab the buildings uh over time I believe we probably have pulled in Access of 30 to 40 permits minimum with with the building department in Ron um we built out offices uh a shop you know for for vehicle and equipment maintenance um so we we've invested heavily into the prop it's got to be an access of a million dollars at this point and in terms of the building Renovations along the um the the roadway of Route 31 what have you done to improve the appearance and and what they look like uh so we did a new roof over the front portion of the building we painted the building uh uh completely painted it um uh from the last application we have a signage up on the building so we can identify our business um and then we also installed Landscaping along um next to the building along Ruth 31 and you know that was that was a good siiz project as well that was um probably 20 $30,000 worth of landscaping that we installed as well all the construction you is all interior Renovations you didn't add any buildings correct that is correct uh the only thing that we added was was a uh um a hoop structure to store uh material salt specifically and that's part of our application now to get uh to formalize the approval of that uh structure as well as additional ones that are proposed correct yes that's correct that's the salt Dome yes um so why you you tell the board a little bit about your business I know we talked about it the last time we refer the board but there's different board members here why don't you explain um to the board what your business is hours of operation and how it works absolutely so uh different service lines obviously we have some different operating hours so for I'll talk about non- snow first non snow removal um very traditional hours of operation uh most of our office staff is there between the hours of 7 o'clock and 5:00 p.m. 6: p.m. um uh same same for anytime you do hours of operation you also do the days so the non snow removal Monday Monday to Friday is 7 to 6:00 p.m. approximately yes that's essentially like off the staff in the Life yes that's correct um so that is that's we we we have a pro of our own company we have uh approximately 25 to 30 employees on the property at at the maximum at a time yes it's yeah currently that's correct okay and let's talk about what your business does in terms of U property maintenance offsite and how they get there what type of U equipment is stored on site that type of thing so the majority of the equipment heavy equipment that is is for the snow removal operation or division side of our business uh so that equipment is in storage the majority of the time in the non winter months right after Labor Day um that equipment our Logistics team starts to bring that onto different sites throughout uh New Jersey um I95 Corridor all the way west to Flemington and we will stage that equipment on the customer sites for the entirety of the winter so that we the winter stays there and we perform stormable operations with that equipment so it stays there for that five to six month period and then April April 15th our Logistics team then brings all of that equipment back to Fleming to our uh to our location here in Flemington where it can be serviced maintained repaired buy some equipment sell some equipment Etc um so a question on that and it is in one of the traffic reports what's the size of that equipment and how many of those you have for storage so so I'll break it in uh the fleet I'll break it down for you so the fleet is uh primarily for Vehicles is pickup trucks and there's approximately 100 pickup trucks there they are not actively going out every single day um many majority of those are actually being stored in the similar way as the um heavy equipment is uh there might be active on a given day uh 15 or 20 that do go out um the the other we have other locations and other hubs we have one in New York City we have one in Carterette New Jersey as well that have some equipment and some truck as well so uh we have the ability to store outside it's not all in Flemington um you know but Flemington is our largest locations it's our headquarters so spas of operations um we we have a um approximately 8 to 10 bclass trucks so those are like uh for you know midsize CDL trucks a little bit larger than a pickup truck and then we have approximately three to five Class A trucks which are um for our Logistics to haul the equipment so those are full okay you spoke too fast you said 3 to five Class A and then it got mishmash um three to five Class A trucks which are um used for uh hauling of our equipment so they're not for higher uh we don't run a trucking company it's it's for internal company operations that we run all of our all of our trucks and all of our [Music] equipment how many snow plows all of the trucks pickup trucks have snow plows um so approximately over 100 and there's there's snow pushers um as well on the site that we store those are uh the kind of box plows that go in the front of large equipment uh containing plows uh that are their attachments for for larger equipment and the larger you you mentioned the larger equipment those are wheel loaders um primarily how many what is a wheel loader uh wheel loader is um it's a it's a uh typically it's used in site work or or you know site work uh it's it's it's basically a large a large bucket uh attach it's a it's basically hydraulic piece of equipment with a large bucket two to three yards is the size the largest size that we use they weigh about uh 28,000 lbs and uh we use those with large box plows uh that are much wider than the bucket so that we can carry a lot more snow because snow is obviously much lighter than than dirt so how many wheel loaders would you have on this approximately 50 approximately 50 50 and and then we have a smaller um compact loaders again another 50 what give me a a description of a compact loader just a smaller version of the piece of equipment I just described about half the size any other uh types of equipment that are stored on site uh we have um we have a small amount of shipping containers um we we don't store the majority of the shipping containers we own there um because those stay on customer sites year round so we have that negotiated into all of our contracts so that we don't have to store them um we have a small number that we keep there uh either excess or we bring small amounts in just to repair them uh you know because we can't do the repairs on the customer site so you're saying the shipping containers on the site are empty yes Maj um majority of them are typically empty yes that is correct how many please I believe right now there's approximately 10 and then you move them to the facilities that you service yes there might be a small group year round though it's not the exact containers it's just about a small a small I just to give you an idea our company you know we own substantially more than that but we we do not store them in Flemington he's saying that approximately 10 containers mostly empty would be on the site at any one time all the other containers are out at customers locations is that correct that is correct any other equipment that is stored on site miscellaneous it's miscellaneous business operational equipment it's um we have the warehouse um that is on uh lot got me I'm confused now um no it's on lot on Lot number uh um five we have a warehouse there um it's around 78,000 square feet so for things that we want to keep out out of the weather completely small smaller pieces instead of calling in a warehouse you us a storage yeah I'm sorry about that not we went over that in advance I just used yeah it's not a warehouse it's not a warehouse It's it it's it's basically a shop where we store we have we have um shelving and we just it's completely for storage that's it and what building is that on site uh that is um on it's on existing lot five yes yes uh that is that is correct building letter for that one Steve we can't hear you numbers is a building number or letter for that uh that's 70 Highway 31 is the address of that building um how do you move the heaving equipment to customer sites do you pay someone to move it or is that what you're talking about your three to five class trucks we move it you move it in the class A trucks you move the uh you move containers you move the big wheel loaders and you move the compact loaders this is correct so what type of maintenance is done on the vehicle on the equipment on site and where there's a shop on the main um in the main building on 68 rout 31 and it's uh has two bays and uh has high ceilings it's the same location where the concrete trucks that Flemington block owned used to do all of their maintenance um so we utilize the same space for the maintenance of our we do any outside maintenance on any Vehicles no everything is inside this is yes um what type of material is stored on site we have um rock salt and rock salt rock salt and um what's the proposal of where to store that rock salt it would be in a in the hoop structure in the salt Dome yes and how many of those I mean a hoop makes it sounds like you know it's a greenhouse for agriculture what's the material the saltone material it's canvas material it's it's like a clear span building if youve ever seen it actually it's similar to the ones that are used for agriculture for like for for hay and for other purposes how many salt domes are you proposing or do you in fact have on site now uh there's one salt Dome onsite we're proposing to just enlarge that one um and then that would be it okay existing size and the proposed size we'll have Rob uh confirm that fair enough um what's the waste that's generated on site from garbage uh and other materials and how is that picked up uh so we there will be some uh we also store some bagged uh deicing material so calcium chloride or bag rock salt so there's some in the winter there are some Bag you know just um empty bags that are generated um it's it's uh as far as garbage goes it's just the the garbage from our building from our office staff um it's that's that's primarily the garbage we also we have tags um for New Jersey state to be able to dump that at uh at Waste Management in anandale so that's where we that's where we bring all of our garbage do you take care of your own garage yes that's correct do you ever have to bring snow from a customer site because there's no more room to put it in piles onto this site no let's talk about uh the proposal for on-site fueling what what's that proposal so that would be right now we are proposing an above ground uh tank uh or storage of fuel and that would be to be able to to to fuel all of the equipment that I outlined um so that we would not have to then travel to uh gas stations and it would we'd be able to operate internally less less traffic and it's uh much more cost effective to to operate that way and what what type of containment measures are are there proposed for that is that whatever is required and to uh maintain the safety of that in terms of signage will be fully permitted and we will comply with all regulations um environmental uh and building uh construction is there some kind of detail for that in these plans I I believe we I believe we did a con um concept R was did they submit that was I didn't see I think I I don't think we submitted the exact one because we wanted to determine that but we the size we gave we gave the and we can provide that I believe as well if need because if you're if the applicant's looking not just for preliminary site plan approval with the variances but for final site plan you need the details in my opinion that's not something the board you know if you into the position to Grant preliminary you shouldn't Grant final subject to a condition that the township engineer review the final details of that that's an environmental thing goes to negative Criterion I think you should have that in front of you I I I believe we have I believe we have the it's almost um we have the exact size that we want it's just the exact unit itself that we have to confirm but but we're talking about containment under you know when gas stations come in they have a detail they show if there's a spill you know what happens they have containment they have H curbs around it that sort of thing sure we'll happy to provide those details before the next meeting Steve I just have I one quick question just overall question so are you doing this um I'm assuming are your operations going to increase our operations um have always increased Over time however based on the on the service area and service territory that we um occupy which runs from Philadelphia into New York City to Northern New Jersey um that growth in the last 2 to three years it doesn't make any sense for us to grow all of that op grade from Flemington New Jersey can I suggest something everything they've done has been internal modifications and the zoning officer and has deemed it permitted once they do anything outside they need site plan approval that's what brings them here I understand that I'm just wanting to understand uh I know the site very well and I drive it by every day probably five times I probably did five times today my question is just overall and I get it I know why you're here the question is you know is there a way if if you can you can I'm just trying to understand if your operations have you said you've been there since 2018 so I'm assuming that from 2018 until right now in 2024 your business group correct yes all right so and the reason why you need to expand the salt Dome uh and some of the other things that you're looking to do is because you're business group correct yes all right and the reason I asked that is just to make sure that we're not um we're trying to trying to utilize the property as best we can without over stuffing it if that makes any sense absolutely okay are there any additional um the plans note existing gas tanks and tanks could you speak to what those are there's it's just a rental um I want to make sure I'm I'm I want to make sure I'm the one what you're referring to we have one rental Mobile um off U um off-road uh fuel tank it's just a rental unit it's completely mobile it's not a fixed unit um that would be removed if if we were able to build a permanent so could you uh I'm looking at the the map and it shows an existing tank kind of adjacent to building number 68 and another G uh gas tank in a cordoned off gated area where it seems like you probably Park all your vehicles are you talking I'm sorry 68 or I'm looking at uh site and utility plan four four she's on sheet four not three on I have extra cop no sheet 4 is a drainage plant the old set of PL you don't have a new set of [Music] plans um the new set of plans will last revised on August 1 2024 okay so they're still showing except the title's been taken off so there is existing storage tank to remain what what you're on sheet three now three yeah she's she is on sheet three right the latest revised she's on sheet three adjacent to building Mr Ben why don't to come up here let this board member point out what she's asking you oh you know okay just you know we don't know what she's asking you just store to me that's what you're asking correct what they store and then the other one in the old planted the other one located in the fenced off area was shown as tank SL gas but on the new plan on page three it's just shown as a square with no labeling that's Miss Mark it's that's that's a mobile off-road fuel um a I believe it's a 1,000 gallon off-road it has a containment around it it's a mobile unit that we currently utilize for off-road Fuel and we rent that from a vendor so that is totally mobile they bring it in and they have the ability to remove it as well so it's it's Mis to clarify you speaking to the one the one says existing storage tanks the one that says existing storage tanks to remain to remain yes okay so that's a thousand gon mobile storage gas uh for diesel off-road diesel diesel yes not gas okay and just for clarity you said mobile so that's not stored there they just bring it they fuel it and they move on we we we utilize that in the winter time sure and then in the spring and summer over the years we have had the vendor take it away okay that make so it's so it's not a permanent fixture that's what I want to C I just want to make sure everybody understands and then the other area that was shown on the plans as being what's the what's the verbiage on that tell me no I'm on the what does it say I just want me I could show you on the map where I'm talking why don't just go up there and take a look say t gas now this is the old plan on the new one it just just shows up as a square so was there a temporary fueling in this fenced area no you got to you got to answer into a microphone so Jackie can get down for the the transcript the record I believe that was on a prior survey from when before we purchased the property it does not it's not there's nothing there so there are no gas tanks underneath the ground there or above ground no put it just like is it any tanks that have been on the property all removed when you since prior to you getting your letter of no further action from the D no were there any Underground tanks there were underground tanks that were removed prior to our our purchase of the property that we had to have some test testing done in order to clear the to to clear the environmental but nothing to do with any of our operations okay are there any underground tanks anywhere on the property not that I'm aware and we're not proposing any other fuel tanks on site other than the 10,000 gallon tank above ground tank that we're proposing correct correct the tank issue have to do with the DP issue that you had to deal with or no I I didn't understand remember remember the cleanup the cleanup issue they had to deal with right didn't that have to do with the under underground tank there were underground storage tanks on that property many many I don't know the exact year they were removed prior to when we but I don't believe it was ever fully closed out properly there were there were a handful of items that was one of them so we had to have testing done penetrating radar confirmed there were no tanks there anymore and um and yes to clear to clear that but that had that was that was totally closed out as part of what I referred to in the beginning um with the environmental case right but that had to do with the tanks that were underneath correct other words he's saying what besides proving that whatever tanks were removed were properly removed what other environmental issues were that you had were there that you had to take care of to get to no act no further action letter I believe there was one of them was there was a shooting range there apparently in 1940 they had to do lead testing well that was one of the ones they had to do so we had to have that done um we had to do some soil testing as well and make sure that the levels were were within range um that so that those were those were the ones that I'm aware of all right my good point my point was though that part of the issue of getting that cleaned up to do with the prior storage tanks that were removed before you bought it yeah correct underground storage tank right correct okay so I have a quick question about that um 10,000 gallon storage uh for fuel will you include in the detail that it sounds like you're going to prepare um information about the pumps the basically the the fuel pumps that um people will be using uh your drivers who will be taking those pickup trucks out um back and forth and refilling those uh pickup truck tanks do you um have a layout in terms of how those trucks will access the refueling area how many pumps and um details about um you know how those um that whole area will be safely laid out yes so we have the full traffic uh flow for that and and if on page number three we did which I I couldn't locate it but we did spec a specific configuration and I believe we did provide detail if we don't see that we'll make sure that all of those details are provided yeah just so you know we looked we can't find the details we see a note okay that says 10,000 gallon flame Shield commercial Fleet fuel tank by envirosafe on a 12 foot by 36 foot concrete slant okay we can't find any detail for it we don't know if there's curbs we don't know spill control we don't know how many pumps are coming at a 10,000 gallon tank we don't know it's double wall we don't know anything about understood we'll we'll supply all of that um from a visual it's very similar to the tank that is directly across the street at the dot um which I'm sure everyone has seen um you know that's fuel storage there uh um it's similar to that but we will provide all of that detail and of course there's security around it right yeah I just I just want to State now now we're on the topic is that this requires variant relief yes re what requires Vari Rel about the resilience of that um proposed tank um and storage and and pumping and that whole area in terms of any um potential um flooding I it looks like it's far enough away from the floodway and flood Hazard area um but it's important that the elevation of all that um be determined and engineered um and designed with um that kind of resilience in mind yeah we'll we'll provide testimony and and the details with respect to that you know Mr benedetto will be coming back to provide more engineering testimony Mr shambre is talking about his site operations and one of one of the primary reasons we are requesting above ground I don't know if I made this clear is because of that prior issue um and just underground storage tanks and the unknown over time um to you know the problematic typically those get removed you don't add them um unless you're a gas station so for any kind of storage that's why we would want something that would have the the the proper containment but it would be above ground so visually I mean it would it it would be uh never be an issue can I ask a question around the 10,000 gallons have you done a calculation and have figured that that's what you need and nothing smaller would be sufficient I'm just trying to figure out how you got to that size since it's such so different from the variants it's based it's based on the the equipment that I described um those are not small fuel tanks um that they they take um they're substantial and the quantity um we would still be refilling that um and and also uh I believe we have a split tank so I believe we have part of it for gas and part of it for diesel so that that increases the size that we would need as well um but you know that was the target number that we we had I could tell you the 1,000 gallon that we have now doesn't do I I don't think anyone realized it was a split tank you're saying this this is two 5,000g tanks in one containment one structure correct I I I'm not saying it's 2 5,000 I I'm telling you it's a split it's a split tank it's a split tank I don't remember the number make sure it's on the details but just part of that issue though and the reason why you're doing that is because one of the convenience right yes two cost right yeah and three is it actually I mean I'm not your traffic expert but I'm assuming that's going to actually help prevent traffic issues for these vehicles to go to the gas station yes reduces the traffic load too I think that's a fair statement substantially yeah y John the remark I had is this a good time to bring it up or wait go ahead so I am very impressed with what you're doing okay uh if you recall on last time I mentioned the effort you're put in and how good that place looks I was very impressed with everything and I understand your business model however there's one thing personally which is giving me aa is the tank especially a 10,000 tank up there so I'm just bringing it up you know me I'm a stretch shter that's one thing I am not convinced that it's what he's telling you and what board member cretina are telling you is the devils and the details on that tank just make sure and I'm also worried about residential area there and having a 10,000 T that's why I asked those questions earlier about the resident so I I just want you guys to think appreciate the question and I appreciate you know that's something that the board members will will obviously have the concern about so let us get you the details about it um and and why this is good in its location from an engineering standpoint why it's safe and why it's better than putting it under I could argue with my colleague there considering your volume you can say of course by negotiating with the next door gas person the traffic issues are going to be the same okay so while I respect my friend there but I can argue those arguments so I really need to know from an environment and from a safety point of view we'll provide more more look right of what it would look like in a residential area well here and here's the other issue that you probably need to address too is I know first of all I think the um commercial type of gasoline stations are like what 20 30,000 gallon tanks or something ,000 30,000 and they're underground underground which is worse than above ground obviously I don't know about that but no I think it is you guys can debate that they will bring in proofs on that but the the the point is make sure that the plan accounts for vandalism or God forbid someone shoots into the tank or something shoots at the tank yeah bring the details have to also show how all that sort of stuff yeah okay um okay I okay I have a I have a couple I have a question you know what we'll we'll Circle back on that one I have a couple of thoughts based on the feedback that I'm getting or we're getting and um we'll talk about your thoughts just offline one one other clarification so you're you said that the existing 1,000 gallon portable unit would stay I believe that's all we did not say that we said that would would not be used that's not correct that notation sorry about that approves a 10,000-gallon tank there'd be no need to store any other fuel tank on the property is that correct yes okay this would be the only fuel tank and it would be a partition tank for both Diesel and gas so it serves all of our fuel needs on site correct yes okay before we go on um lorett I think you had a secondary question and I think we cut you off do you have another question thank you so much I was just thinking about the comfort of the people using the refueling area will there be some kind of canopy so that during like the kind of weather these poor guys have to work and they'll be able to um be uh sheltered while they're pumping um gas into their vehicles okay it's not just that take it one step further if you had a canopy if it was raining for example even though they're going to be trained on how not to spill there's going to be a couple spills when someone's trying to fill up their vehicle so they're going to bring in they're going to have some protocol to to clean it up if they had a canopy that would also help to not have any spill come off their concrete outside their curbs and go to the ground and I'm sure they're going to cover that in all their details won't they it's a it's a good point and we will provide details with respect to that and and if you may want to consider a canopy appreciate all the feedback understood okay Steve are you no I I just think uh like what John is saying it's the devils in the details and the more detail you give the better um okay but I understand why they want to do it I'm of the impression that the above uh ground is way better than below ground and then I'm glad we're having this discussion because that was a I didn't understand that because I was not comfortable we won't get into a conversation on it now but I think the above ground's way better but I also think that the the point is you're going to have to protect if it's above ground you're going to have to protect it from vandalism you know anything that could penetrate that tank we will provide those details visually too safety and okay one more suggestion think about size too 10 when you submit the details bring someone to testify about it and answer any questions understood Jeff I'm dying to hear Jeff said that thinks the tank needs a variance I want to find out what he thinks VAR is needing a variance is readed is needed based on um the fact that it's above ground and not below what's what Orin section section 296 d140 C B1 can you read that vehicle vehicle fuels for occupant Vehicles 10,000 gallons underground or 550 gallons above ground maximum of 10,000 gallons per lot this is referring to hold hold up hold up commercial is ordinance section 296 14 C which is maximum petroleum tank capacity the following maximum tank capacities apply to the storage of petroleum products by category of land usage all tanks on a lot may not exceed the maximums listed under C C1 petroleum tank uses B commercial office or government uses this would be a commercial use bracket one in bracket I'm reading this is the maximum oh the maximum underground is 10,000 gallons the maximum above ground is 550 Gall now I understand what you're saying yeah this thing needs a you guys do your homework a c variance to have the 10,000 gon above ground tank see we we think it's better to have the tank above ground let me just finish let me just finish we think it's better to have it above ground and we're asking for the variance Rel you'll stick it underground exactly okay and if they put it underground they wouldn't need a c variant they have a 10,000 gallon tank underground without a c variance if they want the 10,000 gallon tank above ground they need to see variance my guess is they're GNA if they think that above ground is better than below ground they're going to bring in some tank expert talk about it and explain why a c two variants and it's better to have it above ground than below ground but we'll see what they do that's my guess and when we had review I don't know if you were representing them the gas people the technology has improved a lot for underground before and we went through that a few months ago when so you may want to do research and figure it out and there more thank safety issues okay other words the path of lease resistance might be to have it underground so you should talk about that also we we already are okay thank you thank you for that and that's what it will make it easier next time and Steve I just want to let you know it's 8:25 um I mean maybe this is a good time to stop yeah it's up to you five minutes I think we you know we can get into a little bit more but um you know we we've got the board's reports I think you've got a good idea of where um the site is and what we're doing if there's any questions that you have right now that you would like us to address at the next meeting maybe I can ask that if there's any particular concerns yeah I think the other one is the um rental I think one of the buildings has a rental unit in it yeah we'll we'll explain that it's been an existing residence understood but why does it have to remain a residential unit Why can't with all the stuff that you're asking them to approve why can't you just get rid of that and get rid of that variance so you don't have any mixed mixed residential and Commercial you're going to get the two residential lots can't you just get rid of that tenant get rid of that residential use up there we'll talk about it before the next meeting I think that's the only other thing that came up that unless someone else has just as a a point of reference for the board when we're talking about a potentially 10,000 gallon above ground tank um and you referenced it in passing the NJ doot fueling location is that similar to what and in fact close to the same side so if you could just when you come back with your testimony I believe it is I don't have the exact number but yes I believe it's SAR right but that's where I think it would be good to have some photos and representations that that would be helpful anything else yeah I yeah it's tough for us to visualize 10,000 gallons I was just gonna say it's tough for us to visualize 10,000 gallons because it doesn't find its way into my daily so if they do have a 10,000 gallon above ground tank take a picture of it and bring it back and bring a cut sheet from the manufacturer of the proposed 10 ,000 gallon above ground tank we we'll address it either by giving you all of these details and an expert and all that or putting it underground okay and don't forget about that residential apartment understood about getting rid of it and before we end I think lorett you had a question final question for them thanks so much Cynthia I was um hoping that you could provide a detailed breakdown of your Wastewater flow for each of buildings because I was looking at exhibit B with your original application I think it was from uh November of 2022 and that you list buildings A B CDE e and of course I'm seeing two residential Apartments um but I also see that um when I add up how many bathrooms it looks like seven so I am wondering if you're going to exceed the mua's um allocated 900 um gallons per day cap that was uh that you are dealing with thank you for the question we'll we'll review that before the next meeting okay thank you okay hearing date well first my question is when do you think you can get this information um that well before the next time that you give us a hearing date we can do it pretty quick well it it's got to be a minimum of 10 days but normally they like 21 unless again you wave your your right to complain about getting reports at the last minute I always wave my right to complain ask my [Music] wife so okay why don't we throw out some dates to them and see if they can really get the stuff in 10 days before the date all right October 17th you can cannot I'm already here on October 17th I know what else is your on the 17th we have hun in storage coming back okay we'll put it this way you're not going to be the only one on the agenda I was gonna say you're not gonna so maybe you order a transcript and give it to Beth to read maybe she doesn't have to be here on October 17th and you can get through maybe the majority of it and then just come back for Beth yeah or if we want to go even further you have November 7th or the 21st I know but what I'm saying is that's fine if they wanted do that but we can't guarantee them that they'll be the only thing on the agenda you know how many applications it's your choice if I were you if you can get the stuff done take October 17th order a transcript of October 17 give it to Beth and then or or Steve you could talk to the lawyer who keeps coming up with applications yes the clients um October 17th are you good for getting everything in by that time like well in advance event yeah we we'll do October 7 so again the the normal board rule is 21 days before we will try and get it in 20 days 21 days before definitely by 10 right but if you don't get it in 21 days before it has to be in 10 days before but if you don't get it in 21 days before no complaints no nothing no want to hear anything about any of the board experts getting reports in at the last minute correct not a problem okay okay all right we're going to take a 10-minute break okay so we're continuing the hearing to October 7 no need for further notice if they get stuff hopefully they're going to get it in 21 days ahead are you guys all right waving the 21-day rule if they hit a problem as long as it's here 10 days before based on his representation he won't complain about any late reports anyone have a problem with that no so the last thing is when does the board's time to decide the application expire so we got to get Mr grinberg's attention so we need an extension of the time to decide let's get the extension to December 31 right now it expires um that's fine okay so they're extending the time for the board to decide to December 31 2024 thank you thank you Steve you're not staying [Music] no fing to order the board of adjustment second application for this evening is bo8 case number 0 6-22 applicant is C Main Street LLC location is block 41 lot 63 181 Old croon Road application planning variance for proposed dwelling on a property with no Frontage good evening good evening chairperson honorable members of the board staff and professionals my name is Donald Maurice I am an attorney at Maurice Witcher LLP I wear several hats today I'm also a member of CE Main Street um I have here my lovely wife Linda she is the other member of C Main Street c main street is purchaser under contract for this property and we're also joined by the property owner JP from Hell properties uh as uh as you said the property is landlocked it doesn't have access to a road uh but 1955 in easement was granted uh from the owner then of Lot 21 tell you what let's get everyone sworn that's going to participate right now even though it's an intro let's get uh identify yourself again for the record Donald S Maurice ma r i you're wit and I assume you're going to be their engineering and planning witness can you guys identify yourselves for this record broadcast Dary board engineer Jeff aella C CL okay can the four of you please raise your right hand everyone swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give in this matter will be the truth whole truth nothing but the truth I do I do I do I do okay go so Linda and I um we have been Hunter County residents for 30 years um our daughters Khloe and Emma were born at Hunter Medical Center there you get the CE in Main Street CE Main Street purchased a property in RAR and Township in 2006 at Walter foran Boulevard and we have the New Jersey office of Maurice Witcher is lo ated from there we employ U ran Township uh attorneys as well in that office ly and I for several years have been looking for a place to move to um and because we've been here for 18 years we found this wonderful piece of property but it does have this challenge right um but we think it can work and and we think that it can work uh because we have a great engineer and um we know that we can use this to down size we're looking to put about 2500 foot home on the property it has some Wetlands we've spent the last four years addressing those issues with the state we have a great septic plan in place a well the property is beautiful it's forested um and uh it's just the place that ly and I would like to be at we want to stay in the area um and not have to move out of here and this is our opportunity to do it and so I and and my expert are prepared to take any questions okay why don't we start off to homeowner's case why don't we start off with what relief is required for the applicant to get the approval he seeks called the planning variance reference of 40 cone 55 d-35 AC variance from section 296 6- 139e which relief is required in order for a zoning permit construction permit to be issued and for section [Music] but you guys may recall that you had a planning variance planning variance like one or two years ago last year last year and so my crib sheet that's uh published on my website I'm just going to read you just refresh everyone's recollection about the planning variance this is um my crib sheet number 23 the board May Grant a planning variance pursuant to njsa 40 call 55 d-36 from the requirement in njsa 40 col 55 d-35 that no permit be issued for the construction of a building unless the lot on which the building will be constructed aot AB buts an official and fully improved Street where and this is what the applicant has to prove refusal to issue the permit would entail practical difficulty or unnecessary hardship or the circumstances of the case do not require the building or structure to be related to a street so the applicant has to prove either if he doesn't get the permit to build the house it's going to be it's going to entail practical difficulty or unnecessary hardship or the circumstances of the case do not require the building or structure to be related to a street that's the positive criteria of a planning variance the negative criteria is njsa 40in 55 d-36 provides further however before the board can direct the issuance of a permit the board must establish and impose conditions that will a provide adequate access for firefighting equipment ambulances and other emergency vehicles necessary for the protection of health and safety and protect any future Street layout shown on the official map or on a general circulation plan element of the master plan now I'm going to assume I'm going to I know that you're not qualif ified yet Mr Hansen I'd step up to the mic but you are under oath do this involve any future Street layout shown on an official map or general circulation plan element of the master plan no right so the negative Criterion is just one criteria and that is if the applicant proves either a practical difficulty unnecessary hardship or B circumstances of the case do not require the building of structure to be related to a street for the board could Grant the planning variance and authorize the issuance of the construction permit the applicant has to establish and the board has to impose conditions that will ensure adequate access for firefighting equipment ambulances and other emergency vehicles necessary for the protection of public health and safety the other variances are either c1s or c2s and my guess is they going to be c1s because it's um a landlocked lot but maybe Mr Hanson has some C2 arguments also he can make I have one question John for you just for my reference is this similar since you mentioned that we had uh looked at one of the cases that bashir's case is it very similar to that one correct but again no other CA no case sets precedent for I know that I just want to ground myself that's the case I was reference yeah that's the case okay thank you okay now let's just get you qualified want to qualify him sure um Mr Hansen who are you employed by uh engineering and land planning we're a division of akrf Inc and do you hold any professional licenses I'm a licensed engineer and a licensed planner in New Jersey both my licenses are in good standing and how long have you been licensed a little over 25 years and how long have you been performing work of the type uh for the building of a of a single family home on a property such as the subject property about 30 years you're going to have to keep your voice up okay how many times have you testified before this board and have they accepted you as an engineering expert and a planning expert probably a dozen times over the years yeah at least we'll accept thank you you accept them as a both a planning and Engineering expert yes all right why don't you explain to the board why they should Grant his application okay do you want to hear any of the exting conditions or should we just well put it this way yeah because he did a beautiful job of explaining you know why they want to live there but okay all right so what you have here as um our applicant has has described is we have a landlock parcel it doesn't have any Frontage on the street it right now is a bacon piece of property with the exception of one out building and some fencing next what's the lot size lot size is about 13.9 Acres did you guys hear hear that y yeah 13.9 acres big big property and it's shap and what zone is it located in it's in the R1 Zone what's the minimum lot size in the R1 Zone 261,000 square feet and what does that come out to acreage I have to do some divided by 711 403 560 six acres six acres so it's about double the size a little over double the size the minimum in the Z so the property has some constraints to it there's some wetlands in the northern section of the property Old croon Road for just to get your um DRS here this is Old croon Road to the top of the page North is to the top of the page and the easement that's on the adjoining Lot 21 which is between old C Road in our property uh is in this location and it is about 518 ft long and 30 ft wide by the way just for the record I assume you're referring well what are you referring to I'm referring to the plan that was submitted with the application it's last revised March 12th of this year and I'm looking at sheet one in particular yep okay so right now there exists a driveway um from old croon road all the way through the easement centered in the easement more or less us and extends into the body of the property approximately 1100 ft from old cro road today today you know what I should have asked I should have asked notice wise board secretary check the notices yes I did and it is satisfied okay so just to confirm the Lot 21 owned by John and Marlene Anderson they were given notice I'm sorry Lot 21 does the easan pass over Lot 21 Mr Hansen yes so the owner of Lot 21 that the easan passes over we they give notice can you just just check I'm sorry if it was on the certified list then yes check the certifi do the and cross the teeth and then lot 66 yeah also check Lot 21 and lot 66 lot 66 would above Lot 21 in the easement area is that correct Mr Hansen I'm sorry you said lot 66 yeah correct yes but is the easement over both 21 and 66 or only 21 only 21 and how would you describe the shape of the lot in question I I would call you know it's an S shape um it has the part that is uh adjacent to Lot 21 um has some width to it about 280 ft and then it Narrows down into a kind of a necks down into a a location of about 100 feet and then it widens back up as you move South let me ask Mr M you happen to have your uh proof of notice with you I have my Affidavit of service and the public aidata publication see Aid Service this the publication right and there's the I understand there are people online for this application are there not ah okay so can we see the people online Hold On Second I know you're multitasking but can you also take that share take that off the screen and I want to see who's online who's participating via Zoom okay the people on Zoom we have the owner of Lot 21 which be John or marleene Anderson on Zoom by any chance that would be me Douglas hodj I purchased the property at the end of September of last year okay do we have the owner of lot 66 Stephen kuhar and Andor Katherine uh denafo no no how about lot 62 Greg solish Andor Mary zaleski yes yes they're there but you guys are muted but they're there we're here we're here okay so we have one abing owner to the rear on and we have the owner of Lot 21 over which the easement traverses and I'm going to presume if they're on they got notice yes yes we're gonna have to dot the eyes and cross the tees on this um afterwards okay continue Mr H would you mind repeating the point you had met earlier um which specific about the road then the road that current okay so back to that there's an existing driveway that exists uh from Old croon Road through the easement on Lot 21 and then into the body of the property the total length of that driveway is about 1,10 squ and is that shared driveway is that the first 35 ft is shared with lot with Lot 21 with the neighbors who are using it today correct in the to answer John's question about fire and all that good stuff yeah so so I wanted to explain then the driveway itself is pretty um gentle in grade okay gr between about three and 5% it's 10t in width and it's a you can see on our exhibit it's a straight shot all the way down until you get to the northwest corner I'm sorry the the call it the the east corner of the property which is the Southwest wly corner with lot 66 and it there it then takes a turn to the southeast and goes into the property and then it stops point about 1100 ft um there's no steep grade um it is sufficient for emergency vehicles it's approximately 10 ft wide and as I said there is sufficient sight distance at Old cro Road and I believe that the driveway meets uh the emergency vehicle standard so how wide is it 10 10 feet wide 10 feet so Rakesh can two cars go both sides or this no still one one way resal driveway shared driveway yeah okay the only only shared portion is the first 35 ft right so our proposal is to extend the driveway further into the lot in the Southeast location and then construct one single family home consistent with the use in the Zone um for Mr Maurice before we came here we wanted to make sure that we did our due diligence this would be uh a major storm water development because of the amount of disturbance for the new home um so we wanted to make sure that we did sufficient soil testing to show that we could design a storm waterer system that complied with the ordinance and the state regs uh we also needed to make sure that we could put a septic system here there's no sewer utility out here so we spent quite a bit time doing the soil testing to make sure that we could do that we designed the septic system we sent that into the hunter County Health Department and that approval is pending um once we have Soil Conservation approval and um we expect that we will get that how about storm water yeah so our storm water design would only be done if the Border here approves it we move to the next space um so we wanted to set up do the soil testing make sure we had the sufficient locations to do it make sure the soil was okay and we did that and we're confident that we can design a system that will meet the ordinance so you know that is essentially the application the one thing I I do want to mention that we don't show on the plan but we would show as a condition approval and a final lock rating plan is we would have some type of turnaround for the emergency vehicle once it got into the property so theoretically if there was an emergency God forbid uh we would put either a k turn or a teardrop shaped driveway so that the emergency vehicle could then not have to back out could drive back out of the property head on into Old CR Road lead site so we would agree to do that I have one very practical thing just because of the other voluntary jobs I do um Power Line how is it underground does it come through or what is it what are you guys thinking about power line well we originally thought that we would do an over head power through with with P so we do have an application pending for that down with the to put pole mounted electric through there um however we're looking at possibly doing an underground um from an acceptable location on a neighboring property if the board wanted to impose a condition that' be underground just to make sure it didn't conflict with any emergency vehicles or branches downward the applicant have a problem with that uh no attorney drill but I think what um Mr Hansen's referring to is that if you I can show you on the map I I'll speak loud just go to just grab the microphone so there's existing power lines here this side of property you got to talk into the microphone reporter she our cour reporter is on Zoom yeah there's existing overhead power lines coming along lot 20 seller's attorney Lot 21 you mean no lot 20 lot 20 yeah yeah there's power lines over here1 yeah next to right the jcpnl has told us I see that they can pull power from here so we don't necessarily have to run polls here and because this is a forested area and I do like to have power during storms I have lived here for 30 years I'd probably put it underground but we're talking about going in my lot I'm already into it off of existing power lines so John you want to repeat what you said right so you would agree that from the point from a point where the comp power company has it on a poll once it got to your property line you would do it underground yes okay I guess my question is to I'm saving you what I've seen so there is no storm water management plan today so are we saying if we approve that there there would be a condition that whatever they plan would have to be reviewed okay fine thank you if so let's assume that this wasn't you know an isolated lot let's assume this was a subdivision um as long as they did the testing right and showed that the storm water management was feasible then I would advise if it's feasible the board can grant a preliminary subdivision approval but you need the detail for the final but that's for site plan approval and single family and two family homes are exempt from site plan approval so the way my advice is because they've done the testing and the board engineering expert is satisfied that storm water management with a major development is feasible for this lot you could Grant the approval subject to the actual design being submitted for review and approval by the township engineer that would not be an unlawful delegation in my opinion that would be a lawful delegation okay thank you yeah that that's actually how if if this were not in for a variance the the applican would just be submitting a plan to my office or to to Jeff and my office if they were applying for a zoning permit and a construction permit right okay okay so just to sum up you know in accordance with the cript sheets that Mr vill talked about I believe that it would be a practical difficulty here if they were not uh guaranteed or not granted this approval because they wouldn't be able to get access to this house and wouldn't be able to build a house um and I believe the negative criteria is satisfied because the driveway as existing and will be further extended and proposed will be able to adequately uh have emergency vehicles passed up and down back without backing up okay so I take it from that testimony your opinion is that would justify the planning variance and the variance from the lot being required to have Frontage on a road under ordinance section 296 139e that's correct so that would satisfy the planning variance Criterion and a C1 variance for the frontage that's correct so now talk about the variance from location of a gravel drive within the 5 foot setback okay so back to our plan on sheet one the southwesterly corner of lot 66 the adjacent lot our driveway in its existing condition comes to one foot from that corner and 5 feet is the requirement in the township so I classify that as relief under a C2 criteria the reason being that if we comply with the 10 foot setback I'm sorry the 5 foot setback we would then have to create a longer driveway with a tighter radius therefore more impervious coverage more disturbance and less of a radius that you can have a emergency vehicle on so generally for driveways like this you want to have a longer radius to get emergency vehicles in easier condition so you believe that it's better planning for the board to Grant a C2 variance to allow the gravel driveway to be located within the 5- foot setback area I do I believe it meets the positive criteria um the positive criteria in the C2 case as I'm sure board knows is that uh if granted then at least one purpose of the municipal land use law would be advanced in this case purpose a which is safety and um best amplifies the purposes of zoning uh would be advanced in my and then for the negative Criterion for both these variances we have to show and you have to find that there's no substantial detriment Zone plan the zoning Ordnance or the public good and I think that's pretty straightforward here you speak up I don't see any substantial detriment to the Zone plan the zoning ordinance or the public good uh in connection with the relief requested and John even though they were nice enough to to provide their design the house design there's nothing we are doing or judging we don't even have to look at the house that's actually correct if they needed a setback variance right or if they needed a close 100 foot well buffer if they needed any relief because of the location of the house then you'd look at that but I agree with you legally the design of the house as long as the house Loc complies irrelevant so so I do have a question in Jeff's report item 12 St about height of the house yeah we we is that relevant or no yes they have to prove that they comply with the ordinance so can you put testimony in about the height and how whether the height of the dwelling will comply with the ordinance what is the maximum height requirement in the zone 35 ft and we will comply with all the bulk standards of Zone with respect to the home so we have plenty of room so you can oppose a condition that the house must comply with all bulk requirements of the Zone other than any relief you granted okay a point sorry I wanted to just revisit though the driveway relief so am I correct in assuming during throughout the 35 foot RightWay easement the driveway will be located other than the first entrance off of the road greater than 5 feet from the property line it it is an existing condition now and it does uh meet that requirement okay is that uh exactly what's on item six of Jeff's report or how do I read that what item are you in just report item number six it's talking about uh there is a 30 ft right off way and testimony is required for releas this is about the the fact that the lot does not have Frontage on a public street so we have the easement into the microphone we can't hear you so you're too soft spoken for this board man surprised yeah I've heard that okay um so anyway we have a 30 foot wide easement the driveway exists centered within that easement um and that's the subject six is the subject of the relief that we're asking for that doesn't front on a street okay the lot itself does not front on a public Street okay um all right are we at a point where we want to yet go ahead I just wanted to confirm one thing and I know it got brought up at the application Jeff I just wanted to confirm one thing I I want to note that I have not been negatively commented on by Jackie for a while we're not done yet yeah because you don't have to worry about the green light anymore I just wanted to confirm one thing and it got brought up at a previous planning VAR Rel is the fact hear [Music] you I just wanted to confirm fact that um when testimony is confirmed for meeting all the setbacks I know it was brought up at a previous planning variance relief as to what exactly is the dimensions of a front yard right so because it doesn't front on a street we're going to take the position that it must the house must be set back front yard from all the property lines so what is 50 ft so if you take a look at the plan Mr Hansen that since the board is going to consider the bulk requirement for setback in this particular case because it doesn't front on a street as front yard from every property line it's your understanding that the setback for this zone is a minimum of 50 ft yes does the dwelling as proposed comply with the minimum setback yes there minimum setback of 50 ft to every lot line so the board can do one of two things you can say no closer to a property line than it shows on the plan or you can say no closer to a property line than 50 fet so since the plan shows 20 feet no the plan shows 123 feet but the setbacks are the plan shows yeah setback 20 setbacks are shown at 20 so the building setbacks there would be a condition that all the building setbacks have to be changed from 20 ft to 50t 50t it's a 13.9 acre lot is that a problem I I don't believe that would ever be a problem okay I guess my other question um traditionally the the township has required conservation easements on state regulated Wetlands um with the app can be willing to provide the conservation easement as all properties in the township are required to do when they're regulated by the state d i I think we want to not offer the conservation because we still need to get our electric utility in so we may need to have Wetland permit or a permit from the transition area to be able to get how about this how about you impose the conservation easement after the electric service is put in I I would have to look at that asement because I would have to see what let's pull in the ordinance book Let's just look up the ordinance requirement yeah [Music] let be frank about this I believe that what Jeff's going to find is that the ordinance requirement is a site plan or subdivision requirement and not a and not a requirement applying to a single family home now it just so happened in the Basher application in light of particular circumstances the applicant was asked to do that and the applicant agreed but let's just see what Jeff comes up with and while we have a minute for the individuals that are on Zoom um in case you've never been before been inv involved in a board of adjustment after we are done asking questions you are allowed to ask this witness any question actually they can ask both Witnesses yes both Witnesses and then of course after that you are allowed to make any comments that you want concerning this application and before they make any comments I'll swear them in yes that's true so so hold on um we're just finishing up and um we'll ask you if you have any if you want to participate at all tell why don't we have Jeff look why don't we go right to the public questioning the two witnesses right now I have one question so it may be a comment again Jeff's number eight about landscaping and free removal since we have new ordinance I want to make sure that's cover well we're not proposing any Landscaping at this time but obviously when Mr Maurice does get his building permit builds his house he's going to have some landscaping that's you know particular Jeff uh let's wait how would you want to approach number eight it would be a requirement for a tree permit application assessed at that time which is a new thing M just want to make the microphone they would have to calculate the the circumference of the trees and there's a there's a form what you're suggesting it it would be a condition of approval that they get a tree permit and they comply with any conditions on that tree permit is that what your suggestion is y okay just want to make sure because a new thing yeah that's a new state D rule yeah so Jeff while you're looking that up I'm going to go to the individuals on the zoom okay okay okay for the individuals that are on Zoom do you have any questions for either witness yes I if you want to start with me um as me being the owner of the easement yes yeah okay so okay so we're gonna swear you in hold on one second can you again slowly give me your name and spell your last name sure my first name is Douglas last name Hodge h o d g and you're the current owner of the current owner of Lot 21 correct my myself and my wife Leanne okay so can you raise your right hand yeah you swear any comments that you make do you swear or affirm that any comments you make in this proceeding will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth I do okay so you can either ask questions or make your comments and you started off by saying you you are you own the land over which the easement um is located correct correct yeah okay all right I just want to apologize sorry I'm in a car right now I'm on vacation at Kate May um we're in a camper so I have a couple kids and dogs in there so I figured I'll just sit in the car doing this um so I just want to say I I'm not opposed to you know a house being built back there you know great neighbors are always great to have we have uh other two that are on the call right now have uh adopted us you know as got some neighbors and we're glad to have them as well um so and then just like uh the morrice is we we moved out this way from the East Brunswick area we lived in miltown my wife and I grew up there um and just looking for some peace and quiet and some property so we understand what what they want to um I guess I mean I have a a number of question questions and I'll try to go through them quick then but I they kind of all fall into um I guess with the easement if if they're going to be using the easement you're using the easement are you being are you responsible for all the maintenance of it so I can answer that question that's a great question Mr hodj um so in the title report U using Cortez and hey here to do that work for me I did look at the easement we actually have copies of the easement here it was granted in 1955 and it specifically says that the maintenance of the easement uh will be by the grantee which and their successors and assigns and heirs which would mean the current owner of the property which is a Hopewell property and if I were to purchase the property my wife and I as well see mainstream The Entity okay so so if the board grants approval there' be condition that the owner of the subject property meaning you are going to be responsible for maintaining the entire easement correct so long as we need to use the easement yes there may come a time where there's other properties in this area which I think are really challenged which if we uh were to acquire them would allow us to have access uh but at this point we don't have access other than this easement so I would say so long as we continue to use the easement yes we will continue to maintain it hopefully in the future we wouldn't need to okay okay Mr H next question Jan I guess that kind of expanding on that that is you know any the entire maintenance like snow removal uh if there's the the gravel washes away for whatever reason it's you know everything any any uh overhanging limbs um you know like everything it's everything yes Mr hjj I can tell you that I I know Linda would have trouble getting down a driveway that was filled with snow I have a sedan uh but also even where I live now I have a wonderful John Deere tractor a large one with a big snow blower under it and I love nothing more than pulling that thing out during heavy snows so yeah and I plan on box grading the driveway as well um so that is nice and smooth and and and and and look for forward to working with you and and making sure that that is a wonderful driveway for us to use and I just want to add something as this came up in the Basher application in order to ensure that the driveway is proper that it ensures proper maintenance for emergency vehicles the board imposed this very condition that the okay owner of the property is responsible for maintaining the easement in this one we'll say provided that the need to use it but that includes but not is limit including but not limited to snow removal gravel replacement cutting over hanging Limbs and everything because the key thing is to make sure that fire trucks ambulances and emergency vehicles and get to his house in the event of an emergency okay but talk and talking about the tree clearing it doesn't mean they can clear the entire 30 foot width though is it just you know that that 10 foot or so that put this way I I don't think they have the right to clear trees on your property right they have the right to clear trees on their property but they but the the condition is going to require them to Lim to limit up to let's say to the a number of feet that the fire department I thought I read somewhere it was like 136 13t 13 and a half feet is what the fire department wants it limed up to yeah okay no I'm good with that okay um let's see uh now how about um you know if there's any injuries along that easement you know or or damage to vehicles um you know that of of yours your friends uh your contractors that go through or anybody's walking of yours that go through my you know that easement my property and they get injured or tree falls on them or something happens who's liable for that well um I'm a lawyer and one thing I don't do is give legal advice to people who aren't my clients um you're also a lawyer and to represent yourself you have a fool as a client exactly um I really can't speak to that Mr hodj um I can't and it would be wrong for me too that that would be something you would have to ask your own councel to give and put it this way that question and issue is outside the jurisdiction of the board of adjustment so okay my advice to the board of adjustment is to stay out of that one and there should be no condition whatsoever um on that issue okay all right um okay um I'll tell you what you're on a roll these questions are excellent they're very good uh well I have an engineering background and construction background so there here you go uh let's see so I know we talked about the storm water and it looks like I looked at the plans looks like you guys are trying to you know take care of the drainage and not you know flooding everybody out but what happens if even during construction or in the future the systems don't work and the wetlands limit that's you know in the back of my property is starting to encroach my house what you know how how does that get taken care of is that I answer that well I don't no I think again that's a legal question and same thing put it this way if something that Mr Hansen designs failed I'm not saying but you can ask Mr Hansen about that but what I'm saying is that again liability things don't belong in the the board of judment I I would just say this I could attorney drill yeah let me say one other thing that the board has designed an approval immunity right under the tort claims act so the board certainly would not be responsible I I would say this what Mr Hansen and his team will do is design a storm water management and all other aspects of this property as per the requirements and that regardless of this variance request if this property did not require a variance request he'd have to do the same thing yeah correct that's correct and and just uh you know you you are going to be it's going to be designed by us we're licensed Engineers it's going to be reviewed by a licensed engineer there's going to be a maintenance manual that's going to go with it so that the and that's also why all professionals have errors and admissions insurance and so it has to be maintained it'll be maintained by the property owner and it'll be required to do so and if I can add one other thing to that the the storm Ro management rules um from the DN of course the tens ordinance require that the property be uh deed restricted to require the owner to maintain the the uh storm Management in accordance with the operation and maintenance manual that's a good point prepared by their engineer so so there's a legal I'm not playing lawyer yeah but there is a a legal obligation that that the the owner will have to maintain the stor very good point that can be a condition in the board resolution because that is required by the storm water management rules it would be imposed regardless of the variance though that's correct correct you can amplify if I make it a condition but it's it's going to be there either way it's either there either way yeah Mr hjge anything else um yeah I'm almost done um looking at the plans it's showing two offices within the house now is the business going to be run out of the house and it also shows two outside entrances to those offices is it zoned for that and is that allowed and that's the first part of the question well that's that's a good question so I could tell you I have a 3,500 square foot office in riton Township already that is where we run the the New Jersey office of Maurice Witcher from the type of practice I have I don't think a client has visited Us in 20 years um it I I defend financial institutions we do not run professional offices from our house now when it says office you could say library that's what it means it's a place for me to go to be secluded to perform my work if I were to do a home office which I don't plan on I'd have to meet existing requirements anyway that would have nothing to do with this variance but put it this way the board can impose a condition no commercial use of the dwelling but I'm not looking at I'm not looking I'm looking at the architectural plan sheet td1 and room 110 is indicated as office but that's a slider yeah there's door that's a sliding door just like he has a sliding door in the bedroom so I'm not I don't see that as a separate entrance to an office but if the board says no commercial use of the dwelling it's no commercial use of the dwelling if he wanted to do that he have to come back for a use variant exactly I think that's existing under the code right now he can have so will say home office use only exactly okay but I don't want clients visiting my home okay that's that's I want to make sure that yeah we you having clients coming in with then you know deliveries coming up there you know Postal Service more more vehicle traffic up that e than you know than just you and your friends and family you know going up that's what I just want to make sure um I guess that's all I have you know like I said I'm not you know I look forward to people building dream homes too so um you know I just hope we could you know just all works out and you know just reconsider other neighbors and uh hope we can you know everything works out well great thank you so much you Mr the other individuals on the zoom do you have any questions or comments and if you do we're going to swear you in first yes swear in yes please yes please can you please provide your names spell your last name and the address my name is Mary zesi it's Mary last name zeleski zes Ki 185 Old croon Road and my name is Greg solish g r e g g s o l l i s c h and you both are the owners of lot 62 correct that's correct correct okay can you both raise your right hands both of you swear or affirm that any comments you make in this proceeding will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth I do I do okay so you can fire away with questions at either witness and or make your comments want to go first go ahead okay well uh Doug took care of a lot of the questions that we had mostly we were concerned that the property was going to become commercial and we did not want it to be able to turn into something else not so much you're doing but in the future um we're next door to you we're on a flag lot and your property wraps from our driveway and then goes back along this the um I guess western side so my only uh concern and interest is in the design as you're moving the easements back I'd like to see the house almost if possible located as back in the property as where our property is on our property so that your backyard is not our front yard you know what I mean again I represent the board but okay but the dwelling as proposed is fairly well east and south okay but but you heard the board before it's a single family home right and the the front yard setback in the ordinance is 50 feet and they're agreeing even though that it might be technically uh considered a sidey yard setback of 20 feet they've agreed to increase that to 50 feet and I don't think the board it's up to the board but I don't think the board is going to be willing to put a stipulation that they have to locate the house in any particular location or the one that they've shown other than at least 50 feet away from any property line may may I add to that or so the location of the house has also been determined by the soil tests right and that's really critical to this the original Builder JP had the location different closer to the wetlands and the soil tests were horrible so we've had to pull it back it's it's in that location because that's where you get the best percolation John could speak to that why don't you speak to that yeah so we did significant soil testing so the idea was to um get the house in a location that we had Deer uh depth to bedrock we had permeable soils no evidence of groundwater and that's as you move in a southeasterly location into the property that's what you get and so what we're we're hoping to do also is to create you know a situation where you have a septic design that doesn't require a pumpa less mechanical equipment gravity flow that's the desire and I think the original design we had John would have required a pump that's correct so we've moved away from that to a gravity design okay okay well great if they can do that and then um the other question I have because it wasn't quite clear to me about the EPA um regulations on um Wetlands because it seems as though yeah what you mean is D I'm sorry D the D for the wetlands because when it it rains the water does run from east to west across our driveway and into our neighbor's yard who they have a um what's it called where the water goes into Denali a burn water yeah so the above it's yeah it's above ground system that then eventually R rolls into the brook so um my other concern with whatever Water Management you do be aware of that the you know the land is the land and the water actually runs east to west and runs into that Brook a few properties down thank you that was more of a comment okay no further questions no we'd be happy to have wonderful great new neighbors we've been there 30 I've been there 34 years and welcome uh new neighbors who respectful to the land yep respectful to lamb very important absolutely well my my seven chickens and my wife would love to join you there Jeff didn't hear your name with that Jeff did you want to follow up with what by the way you don't have roosters do you uh well I might when I move there it is 14 acres just listen just check check the seriously ordance I did actually I did for that reason okay and R1 has a lot of agricultural use in it so yeah it does so Jeff you were Jeff you were researching [Music] something oh actually actually one more question oh okay go ahead okay so the the question I have and I I know because this came up about the fire um access for fire and the 10 feet and the only reason why I'm asking it is because when because we knew JP we know him when he first moved into the property and started cutting back trees um he actually had an accident there and injured his ankle and they had to call in a helicopter because none of the equipment in the township could get back down that driveway that he had already started so I want to make sure that um you know whatever you're talking about here really will work we're confident that that's what's there is sufficient toh provide for emergency vehicle access and what we're proposing will as well yeah there's going to be a condition imposed that says a driveway has to be reviewed and approved by the fire marshall okay okay good because you guys couldn't get there before and I will tell you being a business and RAR in Township I'm very familiar with the rigorous requirements of our fire Marsh okay [Music] Jeff so it's it's under two section 29667 wetlands delineation and this is for site plan and subdivision review it's section B it reads the wetlands area shall be placed within a conservation easement to be dedicated to the township or other appropriate governmental agency and such shall be indicated on the minor Subdivision plat minary Subdivision plat final Subdivision plat minor site plan preliminary site plan and final site plan just site plan no there's no site plan s so and there's no and there's no subdivision and no site plan so you can ask the applicant if he's willing to U give a conservation easement over the Wetland and Wetland buffer areas ask them no harm and ask are you willing would you be willing to do it once you have your utility yeah once you have utility I am adverse to any easements uh at all on on the property and I probably would not go ahead and with the purchase if it had them that's the first thing I checked for uh was things like conservation easements if they existed I wouldn't do it okay and my advice to the board my advice to the board is you cannot require unless the applicant offers it up because this application is exempt from site plan approval and it doesn't require subdivision approval yes okay um anybody from the board or the professionals have any other comments question we didn't talk about your yes thank you we did prepare a [Music] report well put put it this way so going through Jeff report I do what I normally do and all the numbers that had seized by it would be a condition of approval so I'm going to ask Mr Hansen and the applicant and his attorney one and the same if there's any comments in the board Engineers report that you disagree with or want to talk about otherwise everything in here will become a condition if he's asked for a plan revision or something to be submitted you guys have anything I reviewed the uh report and I don't see anything that is objectionable I think we can comply with everything as a condition you can you agree yes I I agree that's rees's report I'm happy write that down and he's happy okay so are we at the point where we can close for deliberation y I assume you wave making a closing statement I'll wave making a closing statement thank you Council smart move thank you okay oh who whoa whoa we forgot one thing the board has his usual conditions and its rules and one of them is that you have from from the date of resolution is adopted memorializing the approval you have a certain amount of time a year to pull a construction permit and then a year to complete construction you might want more time than that so rather than have to come back and ask for an extension do you want two years to to listen two years to pull the permit and two years to construct the house Council I will tell you I've had enormous difficulties doing anything on this property and we do intend uh to to move here and to live here I wish I could have it in a year reality is you're right I will need more time so you want two plus two two plus two okay okay we good y So based on all those conditions uh I'm going to support this application you're going to support it for the reasons that Mr Hansen gave on the record that I'll put in the resolution absolutely okay yeah I just want to make a couple of comments and uh this is just very special to see Neighbors uh who have good concerns MH and they're very willing to welcome you so that's very special we don't get that to see all the time so you have very good neighbors and I truly believe what they brought up the very good reasons and I'm sure you guys will have a good time and we would want to welcome you in this area thank you anyone else want to go okay I'll go so I I agree that this um is a hardship and um I would be in favor of approving this for all the reasons and I think you did an excellent job uh in presenting and I do appreciate that the neighbors participated it makes it easier for us uh to make sure that we're trying our best as you know we're volunteers he does anyone else okay we uh good Jim if you're gonna say something loud so Jackie gets it go okay very loud like this yes thank you perfect I agree with my col colleagues um and plus the restrictions that was laid out I agree with this application and I really like to see new people come in and it's nice to see that other other neighbors appreciate and ask questions that's all I have to say and I agree it okay so are we ready to vote J Jim wants to say something go ahead Jim something very loud hold it down someone give him a microphone please we are gonna have a lesson on how to project your voice in any event I will vote okay Jackie if you didn't he agrees with the application and he's going to vote for it okay can I get a mo can I get a motion to approve this oh sure go ahead I just is this have to do with the uh the New York Post article that everyone is Hun count is like the uh the new thing you didn't know that no that's cool what are you talking about healthiest County in the country you read yeah healthiest County in the country get out of here I don't listen I I first of all let me let me just say this I agree with the comments about the hardship uh welcome to the county I I I guess it's the healthiest County one of the healthiest counties in the country New York Post Jeff Co had a nice little uh our mayor or one of the Commissioners the director uh was quoted in the article but I didn't know if that had to do with this or not I've been here my entire life um I'm looking forward to going to South Carolina as soon as I can I just want to clarify L and I have lived here for 30 DEC why they're so healthy kids were born here at Med I I get it I get it listen I was born here too take that back I came here when I was three uh oh that's totally different so uh I get it and I I understood what you said in the beginning God bless you I mean listen if you can stay here great um Steve what he's saying he's found a g the gem of a property in the township so he he loves hunter in County he loves the township he's found like a a diamond in the rough I again can we vote more power to you that's great can we vote okay can I get a motion to approve I approve I'll second Jackie did you get that no you got it BL made the motion Dar seconded roll call please oh sorry chairwoman Miss Cynthia she Vice chair M Russell adami yes Mr Randy block I'm thank you yes Mr Steve fario yes yes Mr Jim Ferrero yes Miss Lorette ktina yes Miss Donna Drew yes thank you okay okay before before you leave before you leave uh one of the things the board has done uh We've created a little pamphlet here and uh the residents uh maybe not so much with your experience um the uh have sometimes get confused and so uh the back page now applies to you and it says approval process you're approved what's next so I'd like to hand this to you yeah take take the apprach yes and um ask you know it just it there's things that happen just because you're approved doesn't mean you go out and start building I'm sure you know that but uh residents do get confused and so we try we're trying to improve I will speak with my councel good luck thank you thank you thank you thank you all right um it looks like we want to go home motion to adjourn please pleas second all in favor I I okay and next week we will start early and we will start with a session of how to project your voice please show up please show up at the next session at 6:45 so we can all practice projecting our voices Jackie will try and see joh and our professional