yeah I don't have it John I'm sorry that's okay I have it open here so I can I can um I can share yeah they um migrated us over to um Microsoft 365 and it's going great and um they migrated our email they're starting to migrate all of our emails over to reading ma.gov which is really awesome but then my name my name change is what screwed it up well so the whole the computer can't understand how I'm now would and not the other one so it's not identifying so my email's messed up but they'll figure it out oh you're gonna love off 365 I know so much better so obviously Mark's here I don't see John par yet hi Mark guests give John another minute then we'll stop and if you um anyone on the zoom right now if you could just write your name and addressed in the chat that would be great email addan what's that email or physical um physical address so sorry everyone thank you so the non-real people you're talking about y so we have a note of who's here thank you I'm gon to call the meeting to order yeah okay do take the roll call rosini here Nora bucko I I think you're muted there Nora it doesn't say can maybe the volume is down a little bit M doer here and Michael Colman's not going to be here uh John Sasso present John Parsons not as yet John O'Neal present okay so the first item on the agenda is uh vote on a recom recommendation for the site for possible Senior Community Center do someone not sure should we just call for just roll call on the vote what do people think just do it that way or do we need some more discussion so just a thought um we got two items tonight one is to P to the site recommendation the second really is the presentation and one of the things for the presentation is a slide that right now is blank um and I think we need to decide what that slide should contain clearly the site recommendation but are there any other things that should be on that slide also Al so I don't know if you want to kind of do the site first as you're you're proposing just kind of say what what's the site and then talk a little bit about what that recommendation slide might look like um I I put together some of my own thoughts that I'm happy to share with the group um but not not sure how you want to proceed with it that would suggest that we okay go on I was going to say we we just vote for the site selection first and then discuss what we have to do in the slide afterwards and that'll that'll guide us okay I see noding their heads and everything so that's how we proceed uh so I'll do the roll call and you can give your recommendation so why why don't John can I make a suggestion instead why don't we put to forward a motion okay that has um asight recommendation and then you can get it seconded and then there can be a discussion about it you know people have comments they want okay well that's how we proceed uh entertain a motion second go ahead go ahead Ron sorry second second the motion there's no motion yet oh I thought he no no the motion is for a particular location so how about I'll make a motion to to um recommend Simon's way um as the as the site location um for recal and I I'm wondering if we should include pending final um information from the permanent building committee okay okay I'll I'll I'll second that motion okay discussion um just I want to follow up quickly on the comment about pending the PBC uh I'm okay with seconding it but in some respects it's a bit irrelevant I think at the moment right given the current process meaning that our recommendation is going to kind of go forward you know given what you guys have heard thus far you know it's it's like it's not it's not really intending that PBC is going to come back at least at this point with anything more tangible at least that's what I understood you guys to say the other night so if I could respond I I would um this is one of the reasons why I want to kind of figure out the two things together I I would accept as a friendly amendment to take away the pending thing to just make our recommendation on a site and then I would suggest that the second thing we do is it relates to what should be in the presentation we can talk in a little bit more detail about kind of what that means and what the process will be because I think we owe that to the select board yeah no I think that's um I think that's a better approach I mean I I I agree so I would um if Mark would entertain a friendly amendment I would amend that motion to just be recommend the Sim Simons way site for recal accepted as a friendly Amendment okay further discussion I don't know if people want to get into any more detail about the all I mean we've really discussed I think a lot over the different sites we've done our own recommendations we've we've racked and stacked them we've gone through um feedback from from the public and from other committees and commissions so I feel pretty comfortable that you know I don't need to necessarily spend a whole lot more time on on hashing through um what we've done in the past but um I I think that that's just my perspective if other folks wanna want to um chime in now are we agreeing with Mark or are we having our own votes I'm having difficulty hearing you Norah I don't know if other people are I just yeah it's very low um um turn this up think could turn up your own voice right nor I think your question is are we agre so that we're gon to what I understand the case to be is that we we we now have a motion on the floor um to vote for or against um the recommendation for S Simon's way as the preferred site from for recal from the recal committee so um if um I think John would say if if if if we want to if somebody wants to present alternative motions that's a different discussion but for now the initial motion that's on the floor is is a recommendation specifically for that site okay see I would ignore that if that vote fails then of course we would go you know another another motion right yeah and and if I can suggest to if you have comments that could include not agreeing right those would be good to do now too yes so Nora yeah I agree Simon's way for recommendation okay so any other comments before we I call for the vote seeing none so now we will do a roll call on the vote want to see this is on the motion to approve Simon's way okay I approve Simon's way nor buo Simon's way mck doxer yes John Sasso yes John O'Neal yes so all we have a quorum and all the members present vote are unanimous for Simon's way okay so now then we can go into the discussion about you know both the slide but before we do the slide do we want to talk about the the the process you know it goes to the permit building committee and see I was kind of agreeing with John when you were saying pending my thing is no they're going to run with they were looking for a recommendation for us uh we're giving them that recommendation they then will do their due diligence you know and proceed with that and for some reason I don't even know if they would come back to us because then it's kind of like out of our hand isn't it or am I missing something I don't think you're missing anything however I think we need to share with the select board the process we anticipate going forward from here yes so we made our recommendation and yes there are some other things and my thought was that in our recommendation slide we talk a little bit about what those next steps are okay and so we should do that right now that's where we're at so um you want me to so I I actually have made one a few more updates based on some additional feedback that came back over the last day or so um I I did not get a chance to address your specific comment Mark um but I'm gonna um put if it's okay with you I'll put the slides up can we walk through them anyhow is that is that kind of on our agenda anyhow so well or I was hoping actually we wouldn't be going Slide by slide because then people you know I would rather say if people have particular slide they want to address because I'm really I do actually John I have really like a half a dozen slides really that I think are worth asking about their that's fine yes that's okay not all 32 oh yes yes I just didn't you know sometimes I've added we get to micromanager but right know and I've added verbage to the slides and the outline and the notes so that you know whether it's myself or whoever is presenting this will have some context but um yeah let me um me see screen okay can people see my screen yes yes yes all right so I'm I'm just gonna go to some very specific slides so I did um uh we had a specific recommendation to um basically call out Senior Community Center equals the wri incenter for active living so I put that right up front great um uh Marilyn and and Jenna provided some feedback on the number of populations so I didn't change this slide but I did add a note about currently we're at 7760 out of 27101 in in 60 plus for 2024 the other was projection of 2030 I don't know we yeah I mean I can add that as a as a bullet but it wasn't wasn't actually in the numbers I got but I I I didn't think it was that critical at this point um I would agre but if you want to like just like you had a note down below yeah if we get the numbers ahead of time yeah you want to say something the um the second bullet point needs to just get fixed right it says 28.6% of reading residents are 60 plus in percent growing um I think that that was supposed to supposed to right we were supposed to have get a number for there yes I remember that from the last meeting okay all right I'll highlight that all right so this is a slide that um has gone over gone through quite a bit of change um uh I did actually get some feedback from Chris um the last I think a day or so ago when I just had a chance to put this together so I thought this was um I was kind of trying to address the issue of what are what are we really trying to convey in terms of capacity so um certainly open for thoughts but um you know basically the the the core space constraints you know of the amount of usable space you know we effectively only have three multi-purpose program rooms um for all intents and purposes um and I I have you tried to play pool in the game room I I I I like that um kind of thought people you'll hit the wall with the pool stick um and then some real actual capacity numbers these came from Chris first floor Main room you know basically 60 people with tables and chairs and 85 with chairs only and the second floor you really only have two other rooms that have very limited capacity so I think that's that starts to convey you know kind of the numerics of the situation um this was an example he gave me of a recent weight list um and and uh he says a lot of those types of programs have weight list 25 plus on a regular basis um I thought this was really a very telling item which is that even with all of this the the use of the center is increasing so we continue to see growth and and so I think this is kind of where we're we're pushing up against the top of the of the of the capacity and at the same time we're we're very limited and we we're already seeing the the impacts of that so I I I thought this was a reasonable story to tell as it relates to um to the capacity Story the picture the Overflow from chair yogurt at least to me it's really not visible enough to be able to tell what's happening there yeah it's it's an overflow situation right but it was too bad they couldn't got a picture from a different direction I don't know yeah there's a room behind there it's two two rooms rooms and Anna's in this front room okay all right they're actually overflowing into the office space where Anna and um the volunteer coordinator Janet sits and I can also provide another picture of the great room as well if that's helpful with all the people in it uh if you have additional pictures that would be great I I mean I think the intent is clear but um yeah me too thank you okay all right so anyhow that was one slide that I that I um took a took a bit of work on um I also um kind of Consolidated some of the comments and pictures together in a single slide this was actually a very I think this slide is very similar to one that we presented previously so um I thought this um this worked well um again to give to give the the the con to convey not only the you know the bullets of what sort of issues we're dealing with but some some actual uh visuals on that as well so I thought that was fine John do you want to just switch 60 plus and age switch the order so it reads a growing age 60 plus Community needs I think it might read better all right let me um see the next slide I'm gonna um someone asked about images of the sites I actually pulled this from one of our prior um slides um basically images of so this this kind of pairs up with the centers that we visited um so this is kind of the images of different cers that we saw and the and the different types of rooms and and ideas and Concepts we got when we when we went to those centers so I I kind of think that's all people were really asking for so um you know we could have gone into you know fewer pictures and more more imagery but I I thought this was adequate there was a picture of Needum that showed a nice like Cafe area where people could wait as a almost like a waiting area for yeah events is that in I mean I can go through other pictures and see what we have I I well there's a couple pictures waiting are I think the intent really is just possib we've seen a lot of different things and we've used this to help influence I mean I like you know this type of a picture you know shows kind of the reception waiting right right there there's you know different ways to look at this so yep all right let me um keep moving on here okay so um uh uh I got some feedback on the Randal um visit so I've added that in here um really the I mean people can certainly look at the details what I wanted to convey is that there there's definitely more work to be done here um uh but Elder Services has already benefited from some of the cross-pollination of program ideas um I have I actually created a um backup slide which I'll show you guys later um that lists um some of the program and service stuff that's really going on at the um senior center today at the program St at the PSC today so um I felt it was it probably belonged there we can just you know talk to the fact that we um there have been more there has been work going on about you know trying to enhance and increase the amount of programs the types of programs the different things that can be done so um I think that's you know that that was kind of my my perspective on this that are and John and it's the reason why the population has increased uh the participation has increased quite a bit because of it so yeah so um so anyhow I I you know again I I always think it's good to to continue to show that you know we have continued to look at um other places and those have been valuable um pieces of information to help us uh identify new things to do do we did we include I maybe I missed it did we include what the operator budget is for PCs somewhere so I had it in a prior presentation um right I don't know if it's here is it yeah it's right here this this is an old number so I might have to go refresh it well but it's probably more realistic because it doesn't have the additional oper monies yeah which are okay one time so um yeah we did have this is again I'm not this isn't this is somewhat of an old slide but I think it's still representative of of kind of the comparative things that we saw does that look right Jenna 250k yeah and we do have um a budget that we get every single month itemizing out all of the salaries and the um expenses so I can send John the exact number that we have for expenses and for the salaries as well if that's help are you separating off the seniors portion of of those salaries in other words they're a joint position positions I keep on coming back to that fact you can't go by the Human Services Elder yeah I think we had an elder Services line iend yeah yeah it's just Elder yeah just Elder Services I have all that the town budget the town budget wasn't broken out it was I thought was misleading but anyway okay okay sorry about that no no that's okay um all right let me keep going to other items um so I did I did a little bit of um editing on this slide here um just to um uh again emphasize that we did we did look at other we did look for other options um we focused on these three sites and then just to remind ourselves of what we actually did which was um you know develop the design options hold numerous meetings and perform comparative assessments so I we were kind of missing that from this so I wanted to include it um and the other slides are really just the images um so I had a question for the group as to whether so uh Jenna provided me with this this updated site um uh view uh as compared to this one um and um I think Ron actually had commented that he thought this one looked nicer but um do we have an a strong opinion from the group as to which of these two slides because I in my mind it's not as critical I mean the only reason we wanted to add this one is to say you know just the options are there that there are things more things we can do on the site as it relates to the um the external uh pieces um I don't necessarily think there's a huge difference but you know if there's a reason why we want to show six versus four that's entirely up to to the group to decide I would recommend we show six um I think that so even at the last select board meeting um there are there are a number of folks that are looking at you know what can happen with pickle ball in different locations at Simon's way and I think just again not guaranteeing anything but showing the possibility here of multiple courts more courts I think is helpful and actually it kind of lines up pretty nicely to the back of Burbank um and there was another discussion might as well bring it up here just for a second also about what would happen if we were to move this whole thing to behind the ice arena um as an option and my thought on that is that that's a great backup slide if there's a question about it but I don't think it needs to be front and center right now yeah I I I did see some back and forth on that but I'm I don't feel fluent enough to even handle that handle that question to be honest with you um but okay I'm happy to to talk to it if it comes up all right so then I'm gonna get rid of this slide and keep just this one if that's okay with folks okay I just want to note at this point that John P has joined us so for the record so does John have to be added for the voting at all or is it that already taken place no no okay um just keep going here um so this was the slide that I struggled with I have to be honest with you I'm still struggling with it um this was where I talked about wanting to talk about the story um and it didn't really come out the way I wanted it to but um I'll let folks take a look and see if they have any additional thoughts I mean I I what this I thought this was helpful I did get some feedback from um Jenna gave me some feedback on conservation and community and actually I she also mentioned Recreation and I didn't add that yeah um but um short story is I I just wanted to kind of just talk about in very general terms um you know what we looked at and and how this kind of compared and and what what sort of feedback and input and then there's still a whole bunch of just just as before I come back to this there are still a bunch of um benefit and um drawback slides that come after it and then the next slide after these is the site recommendation slide um and then the last slide is where our next step slide so just just quickly I wanted to before we jump back to that I wanted to let people know where we're heading in this and that's that's actually the last other than the Q&A that's the last formal slide of the presentation so couple of thoughts John see if this works so first just a quick easy one on your bullet points on the bottom meeting with the butters it says objectives to Oakland roadside I think you probably mean objections y sorry what happens when you look at this too that's why you have more eyes um what do you think about I I think that we want to simplify kind of the PSC new um I think it it's too complicated and it introduces the gyno gym and it just I would suggest instead that it says PSC new 20,000 with gy six rooms with gym no Lounge 1970 and now it's a lot easier to read and I wonder if if instead of saying option with JY just say um adding JY results in reduced program areas and no walking Track I wonder if that simplifies it I I I'm certainly fine with that given where our recommendation is heading how does that work for others I think the simpler the better on that so I like it and is it still accurate this is PSC new with with twostory parking garage that is absolutely yeah you still regardless of which option you're still correct yep yeah nice and simple yeah I'm [Music] um I'm fine with that okay so the way I was thinking of of sharing this is just to remind people so we're going to talk so kind of now that we've kind of talked about these three sites and we've talked about the work we've done to present this to the community and um the r the rack and stack that we've done both as a recal group and with coa's input um we we wanted to sit down and come up with a a way to to consolidate um and collect up all the information we could to drive to a recommendation and so this was kind of a very first broad brush view of of the sites and the approaches and then uh in addition uh we with with um I think this was actually something that was brought up a number of times by community members was let's not do this in a vacuum make sure you talking to other people um and so we did reach out to um a number of other Town um organizations as well as feedback from the butters um and um you know these these kind of this kind of G brought us to the conclusion um which we're going to talk about in a minute and then you know right from that you know without talking way more to the slide I mean if people have questions we can certainly drive into it um I we can certainly I mean I think it's worth at least stating that when they look at the PSC they'll probably come out when we look at this particular slide is that you know we'll talk about just just don't forget underneath this this big rectangle um which um which includes a gym in some of the second floor items there's uh there's two levels of a parking garage um so um that that's something that that we will talk about there um but uh that's actually what really U makes that U that current Pleasant Street site a very constrained site um very limited uh and certainly as it relates to the other the other options um a less desirable and that that certainly came out in the site mountain and I think that's how I would present this slide at that point it's also a major uh impact to the abuts um there as well too that there are two homes that are very very close to it oh yeah there there's basically no I mean I think I think um uh Rachel in her presentation you know was showing that you know of all of the sites this one here didn't meet the setbacks didn't meet you know certain things it was it was and if you saw the actual images of the ground ground size images just was a brutal and and the proposed design for the garage was not yeah not conducive to senior driving anybody's driving let alone Senor D yeah yeah yeah it was it was difficult driving and the least amount of spaces even at that even with the yeah yeah it didn't even reach the uh required or recommended right so that's what I was going to say here and then and then I was going to jump to okay you know here's some here's some more of the benefit and and drawback feedback that we got um and I was going to one the one other thing that's not on this slide that's a benefit is that there is an opportunity by not using the Pleasant Street Center as the plac is that we could either reuse rent or sell it um for for alternative uses so that's that's another benefit of of selecting a different site and then that leads us to some drawbacks obviously um a significant number of um issues relative to uh traffic and and um construction approach um and and the abutters um enumerated a whole bunch of other uh issues that um we're not going to go through here but certainly have been documented in our in our um presentations uh and then that leads us here which um based on the conversation and vote we just had um this would be um so if I could John when you're done with this I'd love to share a a not a slide I created but I guess I'll call it some bullet points that to some extent mixes the site recommend with the next slide okay so it may be that they you know they are actually two slides or maybe it's one slide whatever that John on will that be right if I share that for a moment sure why don't you um go ahead and do that now because I'm I'm honestly the point of this slide and this slide I I had I would have no Pro in my opinion if we wanted to put this together as one slide instead of two I would be okay frankly I was thinking this slide here was just literally recal recommends s Simmons way period nothing else on the slide yeah that that may be great and maybe what I what I've got written is is more the next slide but let me um I need you to stop sharing before yeah give me give me a second I'm doing it okay I'm done oh hang on this is too small to see uh draft recal let's try it okay so let me tell you my thinking and then and then have at it um not only are we making a site recommendation this is the final recal presentation to the select board so I think it not only has to include the site recommendation but also other recommendations if you will our conclusions what advice we're giving to the board so I tried to include a number of things like that and again please feel free to tear at this but this is kind of the structure one new centers needed Community high priority long overdue it reiterates what we said very early in this Pres presentation right so this is the timing question number two the preferred building includes a gym and a walking Track best meets the needs of the 60 plus and the broader Community other communities that included them love them and those communities that did not include them wish that they had uh number three Simon's way preferred site and here I just brought in its review by recel and Council on Aging using evaluation criteria from multiple other communities that rank Simon's way as number one number two is Oakland Road but some concerns current PSC too small to accommodate size especially if Jim to be considered then these next pieces are okay where do we go from here okay PBC now engaged in um finding an owner's project manager and then they'll complete um complete the site review these are the wrong words but I said to concur with our recommendation provide provide cautions and a plan and this is a September October 2024 estimated time let me just finish it and then we'll come back um upon completion of the review return to the select board to finalize site selection move ahead to schematics so this is now the PBC will do that because we will not exist right and that's already funded with arpa funds um there may be a request for some funding for site testing during the schematics um and it may be possible that there are some funds that PBC had there may be some other funds that can be used or maybe it's town meeting unclear The Next Step would be to come to the select board in late 2023 or early 24 with plan and costs again this you mean 24 and 25 I'm in 24 and 25 thank you very much I'm still I'm thinking a year behind um and present to Springtown meeting 2020 25 yeah um with the site an opportunity to explore new new uses for the Pleasant Street site so so those are kind of themes that I thought we should talk about just a little bit um we kind of did that John already in your kind of after recommendation slide kind of what's next but a couple of these I thought were important to emphasize and you're hearing a little bit of my bias so I I want everybody else to you know see if they agree with it I I think you real you you you you hit a good point because I've always thought about this to your point that this is our last um put in front of the select board out in front of the community so we should we should you know put it all together so I like that um the only thing I think that that's missing um is just that um and I don't know how we say this maybe maybe you feel it's not necessary but just that um you know this this item six um regarding plans and costs that that um you know the community needs to really scrutinize how in fact they're going to fund this given the other priorities and I I don't know if that's worth saying that or not but that was my other thing that that I was thinking as you were putting that together um otherwise I think um I think this this gives a good I I I I really do like the the the idea of um re reemphasizing our our points up front so I I think this is reasonable we can you know I can look back at that slide to see if there's anything else on there that we said that can I make a may make a recomendation oh John's got his hand up okay John the thing that I would uh like to comment on on number three Simon's way preferred site reviewed by reak and Council on Aging I don't recall to my recollection the Council on Aging ever actually voting that they preferred Simon's way I would say all the consensus from all the discussions are that they prefer Simon's way but well they never voted on it do we really want to have this in here so why we voted tonight because we had clearly we hadn't clearly voted until now and come back to to John Parson's point maybe one of the things to do is to go back to the council and ask if um they can do this this presentation isn't going to take place till August 18th no excuse me August 20th so there's there's plenty of time that's John John Sasso has cursed us here boy have I cursed you guys so I it's a good point I think it it would it would behoove the Council on Aging to uh to to formally vote if they haven't already then they should my opinion so can I make a recommendation for the site selection slide then it's almost like one two and three recal recommends Simon's way for the following reasons boom boom boom boom and those three things and then the second slide is next steps and what are your thoughts on that yeah two slides one two and three is one slide may want to look at the order but whatever and then the next slide is more okay here's what's next yeah yeah no I think that's good yep yeah works really well good work I think we got it we want to introduce number seven also I think that's an important one and and John sassa you brought that up too and we've been thinking it through that if we do go to Simon's way then the town has an opportunity I think that's the best way to State it um in terms of what Pleasant Street what that site can and should be and I think that's a a committee and a discussion I don't know if well you tell me we have talked about what's happening with kilum and that it would be good I think the right way to go for Town town meeting to be able to see both things as far as cost and you know getting to your point John Sasso about you know having the overview I think those are the two big things the community preservation Act is another but those are the two you know major items I don't know whether we put that here or or what yeah I I so I have a I'm I have a lot of torn feelings on this one um on the one hand um we were not specifically asked to address the how's the town is specifically going to fund this from that perspective that really wasn't necessarily in our Charter um having said that we were asked to look at Financial in general and and kind of you know look at centers and things like that so I um I think it's I think it's why I'm I'm comfortable with at least saying people should be aware that we we do ultimately from a Next Step perspective and the financial for that the initial one that was held there'll be more of that to come um the one piece I will say there is one piece that's been nagging in the back of my mind and I I haven't really shared it um up until now but I think it's worth discussing is we we do have a a at least an indication and maybe it's a year or two old but at least an indication B B on the survey that we did um and I did add in the slide that I presented I I put some I put some notes about you know what the community said in terms of how much money they would be willing to spend on a on a senior center senior community center and I I guess I I look at that in the context of how how would that actually uh play uh as it relates to what it is we're trying to accomplish and and that's why I I I look at it and say Hey you know the community said that you know if this was going to cost more than x dollar per per household per year then were you interested in supporting it or not and and and that's that's that's the only data we have and I I agree it's out of it's not it's not that current but it's still you know relevant and and so I think that's the only piece that I would I'd want to explore further as a relates to what it is we're going to present and what is the what is the financial solution to this and I don't feel entirely comfortable driving that through this presentation or our or our discussion but I I do think it's something that I I continue to keep in the back of my mind every time we have this conversation right as far as you know the survey I mean it's what we H all the data we have but they didn't have anything concrete in other words it's one thing you know for hypothetically to ask me if I willing to you know pay pay you know X number of dollars to my taxes and then if I see wow you know this is going to have this it's G to have that hey maybe if I pay another another hundred you know I think that's what happened in some of these local high school things amounts of money that I never expected some communities would vote for they've been they've been doing it like nearby St again I I I'm of the opinion and this is not a recal issue again um that the that the town has to present a good picture and a and a and make people feel that this is underhand that we understand exactly how to manage this and we know what it's going to look like and here are all the things that we're doing to try to mitigate the actual cost of it um I I I think that's that is really a discussion that will have to continue beyond uh Beyond group right fincom should be taking the lead on fincom and I think all the elected boards in terms of thinking about how this forward and talking with the whole Community about it I mean John you're spot on I think we can't I'm not sure what we would do right now other than to be aware and to be doing what we're doing with the financial forums and other activities you know because for example I personally would recommend that we utilize some free cash um toward some of these building projects as an example and other people may agree or disagree with that but there's an impact on the amount of tax increase that would come forward if we used any of it so just as an example any grants that we might be able to fund could have an impact also so I think sharing as we have more information letting fincom lead with these Financial forums to have the community discussion those are in you know to come those need to happen but there's nothing I don't know there's anything we can add right now that helps that okay just wanted to raise it so Mark if you can send me a copy of that slide that you had or that document um I will update I'll try to work on some more updates based on that um just those last two slides um there were any other comments or thoughts on what I put together I think I so I think I've answered all of the other open questions and comments that we had from the other night um and and again thank you Ron for for your updates and input that was very helpful um I will um this last slide or two shouldn't take too long I'll get it back out and then I like Mark's idea if uh John if you could get the uh Folks at COA to maybe take an official support vote one way or the other if they by the way if they don't I'm am still comfortable with just saying recal is making this recommendation and oh by the and oh by the way you know COA did in fact perform a rank and stack activity so that's all we're really saying we're not saying in that well at least I didn't read it that COA made that recommendation it's just that they actually did the same exercise we did and came to the same conclusion from a from that numerical perspective right I just don't want to hear from Marilyn and right no no no that's good that you raised it and I think it we definitely when is your next the vote would be very helpful when is your next COA meeting John Monday I think the 22nd Monday next Monday next Monday this coming Monday yeah Monday Monday four four days from now uh J have enough time to get this on the agenda uh I don't think so but um they meet they should meet again typically the next meeting would be the second Monday um in August which will still be before the next elect board meeting by a day well maybe they can do something similar just have a maybe a quick Zoom would work yeah yeah I I would imagine Marilyn would want to pursue it so I think it would be great to this reminds me I I always love making this quotee it's an old Benjamin Franklin quote and it goes like this we must all hang together or most assuredly we shall all hang separately that's right right all right okay I don't have any other comments or thoughts I think this um this has been very well I want to thank you know you John and Ron for you know and Mark for all the the work that you put into presid you know developing the slides presentations input from from everybody gener and I'm confident that you John will do a great job before the select board great G we need to just make sure I still do have that audit on the 21st of of August so I'm not gonna I'm gonna be in Mark did you say did you say Jenna has to post it yeah we we need to post for for recal for that select board meeting right just to make sure that we're there the other thing we need to do I think is give the board an expectation of how much time um I'm happy to do that or someone else can do it but it I I think I think what you said the last time half hour for slides half hour for Q&A I would I'd budget an hour for this conversation and if it's less great but I I think we should you know we should ask for an hour yeah yeah I think that's exactly right okay I I will Um send a note to to Matt and Carlo and and just mention kind of what this is and suggestion um that that's what we ought to do okay is there anything else I just could I just ask Jenna um you know there's always a thing at the end of a meeting uh for subjects not uh anticipated would this be something not anticipated that we could sneak on Mondays I don't think so I think it's too important of a topic I would agree yes it's a vote it's a physical vote I don't think you can get away do it right we taken so long to do it you know let's right let's get it right so one less thing for people to be able to arue about set you know and somebody could rightfully say no you know this is not right just even if even if they're totally supportive of what you're trying to do you know they would could rightfully say no you got to give seven days whatever it is for the counil on Aging you have to get that fair notice okay um can I make one other quick suggestion on that not that I'm necessarily volunteering but um would it be helpful for somebody from recal to give COA a quick um a quick run through on these as well as part of that conversation run through the presentation or yeah yeah I mean they're going to do a vote on a recommendation we can run through where we are and what we've done and you know I think that actually is the context for the whole thing quite frankly but I don't know it's a I'm just just wondering if it would be worth um having somebody there to well John Andor you know could you ask Nancy if that would be helpful in other words once again we don't want to say that if we do this online like a zoom meeting it would be easier to attend and just you know could Jenna send that out so that the council members so they could read it firstand I I can I make one one thought that um I think that um Nancy and Marilyn um have been engaged in in this kind of throughout and have made a lot of comments that have been really really helpful and I wouldn't want to position this as hey you know any comments folks um rather I want to position it as you know hey you know n and Maryland were participants um and made some recommendations this is the presentation yeah um kind of FYI y that's very important because and the open issue only is their vote on right taking it Forward I think opening it would just be I agree oh I wasn't I'm sorry no I I wasn't in yeah for in that perspective I was thinking exactly that that that you know we we' we've we've continued to um advocate for communication and for you know giving giving COA an equal footing and all of this so I have no issue with that presentation but I I wasn't saying oh let's just have them hack at it that's not absolutely not just I but I I just I don't think it's so much that or I think Marx point and I've certainly learned that lesson the hard way o over the years you got to be very clear is what you're asking them for if if you're just the ask this is it FYI you gotta say that right away yeah otherwise people natural thing is oh they're showing it to me then and I and I don't I guess to that point my intention was I wasn't thinking we would take this presentation and circulate it around I would say we can present it but I wouldn't let it go anywhere until we're ready to actually present it in in um on the 20th of August I I am the liaz on from the select board to the Council on Aging um I would be willing to to present it to them um at a meeting on the 19th if that would be helpful i i i my only suggestion and you said it earlier Mark it's a day before it would be if they in their when they meet on Monday if they can agree to do a quick zoom zoom meeting some other night I think that would be more appropriate and just really stay focused on that single concept talk pick idea period And even without necessarily having to go through the entire presentation but you know key points I think that yeah you you don't want our presentation to influence their decision either so they they should come up with their own decision and I think the last thing on that is that um it probably does not make sense to circulate this because it is meant to be a presentation to the select board exactly it wouldn't make sense for the community to have seen it in advance of the board right and already be calling up select board well we've I mean it's obviously bits and pieces of it have been out there in in our meetings but that's because they're public but yeah the actual final will be done for the select Bo okay okay we don't want to circulate this but it's can I show them that one sentence that we're talking about the sentence on the recommendation yes oh oh sure abely I I just our vote is public you know anything that we've done is public we're recorded we're recorded right now so all right okay now are we gonna have another we're gonna have another meeting John a recal meeting we don't have one sched we had one scheduled but it ended up being today so right so I'm well what do the members think I'm not sure there another role for us yeah because PBC they're and it's a a new recal committee with you know a PBC thing plus two two members right one from the COA and then one from the select board that's the the group unless you just want to do a um a zoom meeting and for a final walkth through of the presentation maybe I don't know it's up to you can I it may actually make sense to schedule a meeting after the select board meeting well because we do have until the 30th 31st yeah if there are any questions that are raised or things that we feel we could um better share with them that's a great point that might be really good and then that could also be essentially the dissolution meeting okay so what would be the following so the select boards on the 20th the following uh would it be next day or your next week what do people think so it's the 21st or the 28th because those who went there right I would vote for the 28th only because I know my that week for me is is G end up being crazy but um how about other people what looks fine okay all right all right so next meeting will be the 28th and do we bring do we bring pizza and everything else as a final meeting and cook out at marks start we started during Co and everything else so a long time long time guys right Jenna so you gonna pay for pizza right Jenna as long as it's under $50 so maybe only a couple do we'll do it at the senior center and use some of that um do it a do an evening um presentation and make it a senior meet no okay um motion to adjourn motion to ajour second okay now take the roll call vote Ron aini yes nor bucko yes M doer yes John Parsons yes John Sasso yes John O'Neal yes thank you all all right everybody have a great rest of your day good job everyone take care good night everyone than you