yeah that sounds better there we go okay can you hear me yeah I can hear you now Perfect all right I'm going to go back to mute gas St and will be C go ahead oh Ryan you're gonna be able to share with your work on hi everybody Ryan can you hear us not looking like you can Ryan you there oh me I thought you said Brian I was like yeah nice hi um will you be able to share what you work yeah I I sent a copy over to Chris as well oh okay I got I got Ron's and then John I have your you what you sent me a little bit ago yeah it's I didn't have the um original PowerPoint so I just took an old version and added to that um specific slides or or a bunch of things just just slides so so that I had the action to do a couple sections and so I went back actually to some of the old um old slide presentations and try to pull out what I needed and I just sent it Mark I just sent it to you just a little bit ago okay nor and Michael and John John pass not GNA be yeah John Parson won't be here you all right yes oh sorry last night's meeting close did you drop these at my house it did not unless it's something really cool and good then yes all these were all the um last time F visit worksheets did Jenna drop them y she's somewhere in the British British virsion Island still so um yeah I dropped them they showed up in my doorway doorway and I was just like oh maybe Chris threw them by I had to get you something you know so I just um I don't know who did it so I don't see anything from you Chris other than like meeting notes agenda meeting notes meeting notes just sent you over all right I oh J inputs I got the J inputs okay were you copied on Ron's thing today no no uh think I was you think I was I thought you were I have my version of it here but um let's see who was it when did you send it I get so many emails it could just be um what time today um oh crap uh yeah you were copied um 3:46 p.m. I can send it again if you 3:46 p.m. yeah this afternoon which email yeah it doesn't matter this is all emails I don't have it it says recal meeting notes May 30th 202 351 is something ah thanks Ron now I got it so let me close the other one all right should we start um okay we have enough people yes we do we have a call and it wasn't in the paper so other people the public might not it was it's posted on the website right no but when they had a list uh in the chronicle was it yesterday or Monday of the upcoming meetings it wasn't in that but okay so Rini this is roll call Mee norbo hello can you hear me yeah we can hear you okay all right very good Michael Colman I know Michael M doer here passons we understand will not be here John Sasso present and John O'Neal present okay and entertain a motion to accept the minutes of the May 30th meeting so moved since I didn't see them but I noticed on here did you did you get my name right on the minutes first name or last name lastly well I did not I may have gotten it wrong okay John's name okay so can I can I take one minute to just sure so hang on so I've got okay meeting these are the minutes from 5:30 yes okay just take actually pretty pretty small it's just the work that we did on right yeah fine with them as written okay any other additions Corrections deletions seeing none we'll take a vote on approval rosini yes Nora bucko yes Mark doxer yes John Sasso yes and John O'Neal yes okay uh finalizing the slide presentation for select board so let's talk a little bit about kind of where we are and what's going on okay um and if I can lean on you Chris a little bit because you were at the meeting on Monday night of PBC yeah so is um into Maryland um so okay so the essence is is the following and and please feel free to add the uh PBC has agreed to accept the project as a town project that's great that's check select board last night had a discussion about members membership nominally it's two two people the select board doesn't actually appoint it's a specific appointment committee the appointment committee is the chair of the select board chair of the school committee and the town moderator oh okay so we'll see kind of what's there we did talk about recommendations um for people three potentials selectboard member COA member and a Community member um and then when they said two anyway we gave we gave advice so the that committee will now meet because it's actually a real committee now that exists because I've accepted the project so that's that's good they also did not um feel ready to make any kind of recommendation which is not surprising yeah which is not surprising um and so I brought up at the select board meeting last night that's the situation and how did they want to deal with it did they want recal to make their final presentation on June 18th um before we have heard back from PBC um and essentially although it was almost midnight literally oh Je the feedback was um no keep recup going for a little bit longer so they're going to we're going to vote at the next meeting on a motion to extend for 60 days the feeling being that that's enough time for PBC to take some some steps okay and um depending on what PBC does I think at their next meeting or two would Define either that that's the right approach or that's the wrong approach stop present where we are what we've done maybe even present our recommendation saying it's pending kind of PBC there were questions about what Will PBC do are they gonna kind of veto something and and my description was that they're more likely to um offer suggestions on things that need to get done if there's a showstopper of some sort great well not great but share it um and that's done like the testing so there was some discussion on that and I think the board the select board is going to take up probably at their next meeting on the 18th the disc discussion of what that means and um if there's a way to do it without slowing down momentum and the mechanism's a little bit TBD but um if we wait for town meeting that means waiting till November which is a to me a stop up momentum yeah I was going to say how does that affect the work that um The Architects are supposed to be doing into phase three so the select board is expecting recal to make a site recommendation they now feel that it would be great to have the pbc's input sure on that as well um that site recommendation approval allows bhna to go forward right so that's my my question was that that are they at this point at a at a stop until that's done or do they still have things they're working on or great question for bhna to see exactly where they are but my my guess is that they could start talking about the interior now um although not completely in other words we've talked about kind of site focused kinds of stuff and what a what an envelope of a building might look like yeah now it may be more kind of an inside discussion with a drop of risk but two out of three of the options are the same in terms of the building basically yeah so I think perhaps we could have them do that and and keep some momentum that way maybe that's a good next step on things and it seemed like everyone on Monday night wanted um they kept bringing up the momentum they wanted to make sure and they want to get an OPM oh so let's talk about that OPM um through gnap who is the current so let me take one step back so nominally a project before going to schematic drawings the town would hire an owner's project manager OPM before going to a feasibility St yeah and so that's what the school did also because they have the step by step right right guide B which we don't so um the select board moved forward with um not having an OPM at that point so we've talked to Town Council about this town council's recommendation is well you should have an OPM at least for this phase now and you could have a different one when it moves forward past you know to to a full project or not so PB talked about this and Tom manager T there were a bunch of discussions about it and we have What's called the house doctor arrangement for architectural services from a company called Gap and they do a bunch of things they did the early drawings and renderings that we all saw for new and wens specifically yeah exactly right so they're on something of a contract to work with the town so there's a good relationship between the town and them already like a retainer or yeah okay yeah yeah like a retainer um in addition PBC has a little bit of funding available and If I understand correctly they they kind of offered to use some of that funding toward hiring the OPM for this phase and to use gnap to do that it would not require per per discussion I believe a Town Council but I got that through the town manager that it would not require bidding um or any other activity uh to take place for this portion of it so that I think is the direction there going in um we talked about using potentially a staff member no one has time um without kind of diverting stuff so it was either divert or or Gap or a third option so that's kind of where things are right now with the OPM thank you I forgot about that piece so that would put us more into a traditional approach I know that's the satisfy like regulations but what actual role at this stage is that person going to have or that so they they in a sense are guiding their the um the drawings the schematic drawings guiding that process there is a permanent building committee that is responsible for it the OPM would be a key presenter to that group but the OPM is kind of driving BHA is doing and the uh building committee is kind of assuring that everything is happening to meet the needs as they see them okay needs for at this point Sky site schem ads Etc one more who's guiding the OPM because how do they building committee the building committee opm's gonna report to the building committee basically Okay so we've done it entirely backwards yes no no not entirely not entirely okay just just a little different than kill him yeah yeah okay yeah and me you know but but from Monday everyone realized realized that um but everyone also wants to keep the momentum going um which was really encouraging um that's why I was asking that question because that's that's the same thing I was thinking like you don't want to kind of stop and then to figure out how to restart again so that was encouraging from everyone from the permanent building committee they understood they want to keep the momentum going um and then the other thing that was discussed I feel like quite a bit was you know which is I think going to kind of hold us up is we need to get the soil we got to figure out the soil at Simon's way um that kept coming up um and we trying to figure out when that kind of should be done and it seemed like sooner a little bit rather than later because would the OPM be in charge of I think the PBC would be in charge that but they were trying to figure out their correct timing on the soil testing and because I mean how can they make a recommendation L they do that exactly I think it's Catch 22 what's holding them up from doing it at this point well you need money number one we're talking so $9,000 covers it however um I think what the select board will discuss what I suggest the select board we want to discuss is not just the area we're talking about but potentially also behind the ice rink because I know understand yeah as the town's going to move forward I don't care what you're going to do if people are going to be there people are gonna so it may be that that's a separate action or it may be that it's a together um I think that there may be a quote in process to understand what the impact is of the second piece through the town to just see what that would be and I think we all want to get it done um but also at the same time correct me if I'm wrong wrong Mark I think everyone's a little concerned concerned is a good word is that has to be done exactly but but it it could open up a liability so I think that at least the select Board needs to have a discussion about that no I I absolutely yeah it's an end it's not an or sorry it's an end yeah it has to happen and and we kind of knew it and um now we have a we have a process and we have experts guiding it good so I think the S Board needs to have a discussion so the town needs to lead it s Board needs to discuss it I think um and then have to talk about funding for the testing itself I think that um need to learn what it means if they find certain things what remediation is when how who it all depends on what they find ranging from nothing to to problem depends on what they find it depends on what you plan on actually doing on on the property lot of variables that do you need to remove You cover need to who knows what right so it it is it's an unknown box but I think that theboard at least should have eyes open and then see where it goes from there how to pay for it and it also sound like even even if they don't put a center there but just do pickle ball kind of sounded like they still need to test anybody you going to put people there got to know what the hell's going on mediation would be different because then you're covering it so yeah and that's okay to understand and it may you know different things could say oh well don't do that here but do it there yeah that's actually I think the more likely scenario is that the if you do find things in certain areas it may guide you to adjust what things go where based on what you can do from mitigations and what the approach is so I I yeah so so I was part of a phone call with um the one of the people that bid on the project on on doing the so remediation and it's they're feeling that the chances of finding something are low not zero but low given that location given everything that's gone on in the different places um at least as it relates to from a Nike Site um or from the rifle range if there are other things that that are there that's a different story but they're from what they saw in the initial findings their feeling was the risk was low of finding something really bad not zero right but low and you know at the end of the day low isn't good enough so I think that's where we are I want to be digging and finding something and then have to deal with it after the fact yeah and to pick a site and make a you know a blunder that way if we can prevent it so so on on the good side of things getting PBC involved in the site aspects and having their expertise there was a forward progress no I think I mean we we kind of knew that right I mean I think we a couple months ago fostered out the idea that this is where this was going to end up and I think this is a good transition point and so regardless of what happens we should stay true to our objective which is let's summarize all the things we've done package it up and that that's really what we have to do that's that's what we've been asked to do and then that information can be used by whoever for whatever focus and purposes I I think we should have an opportunity to sit in front of Select board provide some other outputs and feedback um on top of the what could be a site selection because I think there's a lot still in there and that's what as I was going through that in the stuff I was in today I realized okay there's still some more stuff here that is worth you know exposing to the to the community in terms of things that we've done and and what I think you know even just continuing with the site visits that you guys did it may not have been a lot but there were some nuggets in there I thought of good things so yeah and so on the transportation side there might be a new something to explore that Chris and I talked about briefly yesterday was it uh yeah Salem Salem Skipper Skipper is a series of mini buses scooting around Salem giving $2 rides inside the city dollar for seniors $2 for other people $3 after 7 P.M um potentially run by an outside company we have to explore a little bit more but the notion of what whatever other community is doing um that was really that one popped because my father-in-law might be a potential user of it so I might be able to get some firsthand feedback on it so and that came up on Monday's meeting too not necessarily it's not necessarily building committee's role but it was brought up in questions you know the impact of you know Simon's way being on the far into town um you know Transportation needs it was also brought up on Emer needs especially particularly for seniors so um you know those there there were a handful questions like that that was discussed not necessarily it's like I said not necessarily it's their role but building committee is thinking about those things um I don't know what that means though um and then the other thing that was discussed on Monday is and I think they have an understanding just like um recal COA that it seems to be the preferred site Simon's way but with Oakland Road being a really close second um and then Pleasant Street Center kind of a distant third so just like and then all those things were discussed on Monday so then did they okay no go ahead John no was did they given that if and some of the questions about Simon's way there would be questions about Oakland Road too as far as you know the ledge and that that sort of thing so was that talked about it was briefly BEC um they did mention that all three sites would have to be looked at I think the bigger concern was the soil at Simon's way um because I think it's a little bit of a different Beast if I if that's the right wording um you know whereas in ledge we know there's ledge um we also know where it is and we know where it is Simon's way we kind of know what's already at Pleasant Street Center Simon's way is just kind of an unknown so I think that's the difference and that was talked about you know you know but because that Simon's way is more of an unknown that was more of a more of the topic a little bit Yeah was it more questions than answers in other words did did Joel answer a bunch of the questions like emergency access I know he's looked at blah blah was it more get a list of their concerns and and we'll come back with some answers um more of a list of getting he he answered some things I can't remember all of them um like the emergency services and stuff that was just brought up it wasn't really discussed other than you know the fact that you know it's going to take probably closer to 5 minutes for emergency services to get to Simon's way and maybe two minutes to get to Oakland Road you know so that wasn't really inth discussion um only only because a lot of it doesn't pertain to building committee right right did did um did Matt kind of say he would grab that one or because what we should do is we should have emergency services I actually spend time at each location I don't think anyone kind of grab that if no grabbed it and I do think okay so that that should happen and and you know being at the center I think that's a valuable information it is it's always been a concern to mine you have one resuscitation devices we have an AED okay y but you know right now it takes a matter of minutes just to get them you know the you know there's always a cop in there with two minutes or less but usually when they do DRT um I don't know if I assume they're going to do that for this as well the issues are about the fire lanes and that sort of stuff it isn't so much about Transit time so to speak to a particular site but this is certainly worth at least addressing but but that's been my experience anyhow is that the you know issues might be about you know can can the fire truck turn around you know can can it get ACC you know that sort of thing um has been what I've seen in the in the cpdc DRT reviews that we've been I've been involved in in the past in the infrastructure requirements at simons's way um will require differential Road access there's no way that y a big vehicle could turn around there now unless I mean you could connect the loop potentially but it needs to be reviewed okay Nancy did you have yeah yeah I did um I hit two things from that meeting which I thought was an excellent meeting it was very worthwhile and it was really um positive to see the permanent building committee members uh get involved in the detail but um one one point is in terms of the makeup of the building committee someone needs to go back and really look at the bylaws uh because I looked at the bylaws today and it was someone at the meeting Mark you said three and then someone else said no it's two well manager read read the actual by was last night no not not at uh not at the permanent building committee right no at the select board meeting last night no but what I'm saying it does say three in the bylaws so we just want to make sure that we have the the correct number there because we you know we so that needs to be looked at the other thing was um by putting an owners project manager in here as well as we've got the permanent building committee it adds some uh more complex layers of management and process and I know that um for BH plusa we had formed a small work group with representatives in order to bounce ideas off and to provide guidance to bhna and I'm not certain where that would fit into this Pro process but I think it's something we really need to consider regardless I I I I am G to be on that we really need to consider that so the The Guiding project group is the will be the newly formed recal building committee no I know I know that Mark but um what what we're losing is a direct voice in the process um we're and you know recal is going to Sunset if you were going to stay recal would be losing their voice and Council on Aging is losing their voice so I think I don't think now is the time or the place to figure out what to do about that but it's a real concern so I think it's something that needs to be talked about um further I understand the whole process and how it's set up but there's definitely um we're we're losing in this process and I we're we're we're we're missing out so anyways I think it's something you don't have to talk about it tonight but it needs to be talked about yeah I don't see how you could have be talking about a center that's going to be primarily for seniors and not have ccil on Aging representative on well I mean that's like you know you say the school committee but the school committee that's because the largest buildings have always been schools libraries been the only exception I can think of well so a couple of immediate things you can certainly um share your desire and concerns with the appointment committee for the permanent building committee so that's step one right let them know um you heard me last night in terms of what I thought um and it really is up to that that committee the appointing committee to to select individuals so I I would share your specific concerns with them quickly uh to get things started that's not saying you want you don't want to do other things but at minimum am I stuck with that thank you I will do that um but I also think um having I don't know we need to figure out if it's two or if it's three and um how that might impact who who is selected to be on that committee so I done we'll see all right so moving on so now the uh slide presentation so who has to bring up Ron a Consolidated yeah and if you can control from here that's probably the best yeah and and I'm I'm I'm sorry but I have to run I know you guys will do a fabulous job on the de I'll leave you with that thanks Nancy bye bye bye um really quickly I'm gonna on my zoom screen I'm going to minimize people so um if you have a question please speak up um I may not see your hand raised so if that's okay with everyone you can mind us the zoom that one sorry got two oh we got two different oh there it is back to the beginning here so um I took a pass at things based on what we had worked on last week and the discussion we had last week um I also um went to a a white background I like it and then threw it off to to Ron to go from there like but is that the scene you want to have pict I only had limited set of pictures oh okay and what I wanted to do so I started out with like the bullseye which didn't fit and I wanted people and you know this is cool and it may be that we want to have a couple of pictures well this is a good discussion what do we want to have there I actually like it I I I I think showing I think you're right showing people um and actually showing this is this is a multigenerational pit show big time so I like this interesting it's crowed yeah I I well the good news is too that it's intergenerational now yeah you know this is a today thing right yeah I think it does a good mix I think it's a good picture it's crowded um in a good way it's nice because we have some younger folks but we have a lot of older folks in it um and I do know of um some disabilities so not I don't think I don't think a lot of people wouldn't know but people in the community might be able to pick that up I know I do and it's during the it's during the holidays so right it's a holiday y got the Christmas Christmas tree in the background there got the the Christmas somebody May complain they see the Christmas tree flakes on the can't long well I had those discussions at work before you know years ago that was I like that let's move on so I I modified a little bit I had I like the idea of having the presentation overview the agenda second slide Chris second SL all right second slide yep so that this was a good idea here's here's what we're going to talk about right and then go right into it talk about reiterate our the mission of recal Page Three so I go back one second so what I did is I kind of um I got rid of kind of the old agenda that was there I looked at kind of the slides and the order who put them in and I took those topics and put them up yeah no no yeah we can play we can play with this one okay y put the mission up there put that all by itself as a something then I put the uh the committee members on a separate slide just so when everyone knows who's in here and Mark I know this is I think this is a build slide Mark do you want to continue the build I'm a build guy yeah I like to keep people's eyes focused yeah yep so we can decide if you want to do the other ones as build as well too but so um I I had a question so I I in the slides I sent you yes um I um I I went back and I found some of the old slides that we used that had a ton of pictures and other things on there about um drawbacks of the PSC so I just present that as an option uh as as an alternate for this yeah or or or maybe more is in you kind of have you can talk about some things and show a bunch of different examples of it if you will keep going so I I I I I'm this isn't necessarily a slide thing but I I so the statement of that there's less than 2600 sare feet of programming space it's a it's a pretty important statement in some respects my concern however is that you're potentially saying now we're going to have what 12 14,000 square feet you know where I'm going with this right yep right right it sounds like you're you're taking a fire hose to out of the garden right and I'm I'm just a little sensitive to that I mean I was okay with the you know 4,000 you know 5700 whatever those kind of numbers and compar you you overall space comparable those you know two or three times okay when you put 2600 square feet of usable program space in you compare that against what you're going to get this goes back to the question I know Marilyn was asking like there's no way you're not going to get more than you know when you go there I just I'm very concerned about that how that would come across 4,000 feels better though yeah I think well it's just my perspective I mean would you change the word programmable just say 4,000 square feet of space for current activities yeah yeah just so that I mean you understand my concern I'm I'm just yeah just so so let's go back that's what it was before it was 4,000 ft yeah and then we kind of came back to the kind of measuring things um excuse me may I throw may I throw two cents in yeah um the 4,000 square I understand what you're talking about um um the 4,000 square ft includes administrative space so you're selling a short a little bit on how severe the problem is for actual program space something that I have found suddenly I can see people's eyes registering oh I get it when we've been doing the open houses is when you talk about the program rooms only being able to accommodate about 12 people at a time roughly and our big room can accommodate 60 for sitting for a formal meal but we want to be able to see 120 um and suddenly people when it's people they kind of get it of oh you know 12 people that's not nearly enough when you talk about 7700 see eight people overage 60 even if only a quarter of them wanted to use the center 12 people in the class is just not going to cut it and it's I just find they connect better when you translate it into people if you can do it okay Nora you have something yeah I guess I don't understand the issue with this um because I think the major issue is that it's such a small facility and I thought that's what this is is getting I think that the point that John Sasso is making is that by saying 2600 and then we're looking for 22,000 to 23,000 square feet say well couldn't you get along with 12000 yeah so so it's 20 know that would be still a big upgrade so can you get along with what I'm sorry why couldn't you get along with if you only have 2600 if you tell them somebody may say well why couldn't you get away with just having 12,000 why do you need to have just 22 23,000 yeah right but what what are we really going for I guess that is the the the amount of square feet that we're talking about 2400 no no no 23,000 th well 20 21 well depending on the depending on the actual configuration we're looking at the slide from bhna that compares the sizes that actually lays out the here how much space you have for this this is and this based on existing at Pleasant Street and then comparing to the three options well I just think that we have to highlight how small this place is I don't know we are in complete agreement we absolutely we absolutely agree we're we're just concerned with someone saying oh you 2600 now you're going to go to 20,000 square feet that's what n you want do you want to be do you have to be specific here can you just say severely limited programable no people I mean I'm I'm actually okay with the 4500 I think that's the number 450 45 and and I think it's reasonable because you're you're actually looking to supplant not just program space but also admin and space and interaction space and I mean all sorts of stuff so I I think that's a I I I just like it better I don't think it distracts from the message to be honest with you um I'm just afraid that if you put down such a small number people are going to look at that and say what we're going from 2600 to 20,000 square feet yeah but you're going from 4,000 to 20,000 well that's I'm I'm I'm actually okay with that I think the thing is as long as I think one of the important parts is I think everyone especially on Rec and COA and who's talking to the public I think they just need to know maybe it doesn't need necessarily be written down but they need to know what the square footage is being dealt with because at fincom it was brought up from one of the members of fincom board is why aren't we looking at the 6,000 square feet building over at rmld and then just adding a gym well we already have a 6,000 squ foot building but no one actually told that to them yeah so the concern is we need to make sure we give the public and everyone else the correct square footage well that that's why I'm really yeah I think however you guys we decide I'm in line with you John I just but you know we have a 6500 sqare foot building we have 20 25 49 or 2 249 square foot usable program space but then we have 4,000 some when you add on the offices and you know the Hing space so we just got to make sure when we give that information and people ask questions we come back with the correct information you know and and and so that's clear so the question though is this is going to go on a presentation that's going to get put in front of the select board and and this presentation's going to sit on the town website and people can look at it and they're not necessarily always going to have the verbal discussion along with it I just want to be sensitive to what we put on here um you could say you know current Center 6500 square feet less than 4500 usable space um to support program and AD program admin and other required um activities of the senior center to me that would be like the a pretty clear communication because then we can actually have something when people because what people are going to do it's what I did is they're going to say oh let me compare that to where we're going that's why I keep on bringing up when I talk to people individually Wilmington had 12,000 square feet and found it inadequate that's why they were going for a larger site so it's not you know yeah we're not talking about something that's out outrageous can I make a suggestion which actually supports this point very strongly as I look at this more carefully the numbers here are additive they are so in other words they're saying the total area actually is 7,000 square feet right the the program as they've defined it as opposed to nonprogram is 4550 going to 21,000 so that's the exact number and then non-program area it it's kind of twox is is what the recommendation is in here right but think the 4550 would be great to use because uh number one it's consistent with the other presentations and I think you know the 5x number feels completely different from the 10x number yes very very much yeah very much so are we gonna make changes on the Fly here or do you want me to change the 26 yeah to once you make it 4550 and let's and I would just get get rid of the word programming just I would say usable actually I'm not sure I would say usable space I mean that's probably accurate if you say usable space because that covers offices hallways bathrooms storage everything but the mechanical cools cool doesn't cover you know it's it's all the other things that the walls and the windows and you know yeah that and that also allows for this slide to be used right yeah so people can see exactly what the change sorry about that I just that jumped out at me when I was looking at this that's a good point that's a good point the other thing if I can throw two more scents into just I know you all know it but um this is current needs don't include a gym and it's sort of two phases how much space do we need you're saying what why if they say why can't you get by with 12,000 square feet um a good part of the difference between the 12,000 and the whatever it is 16,000 is that gym so you might might say that you know we're trying to broaden the inclusivity with the program just okay hang well not not fair because they combin some things with it yeah so just so then sort of it's a stepping stone thing when we're doing more than just trying to replace the Pleasant Street Center by going to a center for active living and that's part of the extra boost I would say anyway and by the way we Nancy and I went to look at will mington today and it took our breath away the thing is Mammoth absolutely Mammoth I encourage everybody just to drive by and see what other communities are doing it's not I it's not it's not open yet is it oh no it's in construction but construction yeah that's what I thought yeah it's well into construction so you can see the magnitude of it it's worth a driveby okay okay um do you want to add in some of those other things from the other slide or what are you thinking um or should it should it live with well let's the we go through this and then we can come back words should it go do we want to go more into that it is more than just the senior center you know do we as far as if the space be is a concern well that's if that's the thing is if this becomes a yeah dual dual Center I mean part of that big jump of square footage is well we're not just Elder in human services we're add in the wreck offices so we we we have to remember where we are in this presentation we're talking about where we came from and the fact that our priority was to meet senior needs and we looked at the current building I mean this is part of the story when someone's presenting this whoever that might be needs to kind of have this train of thought that here's where we started yes here's the here's the perspective about the priority for the group one of the first things we did because everybody asks what's wrong with the current Center so we looked at the current Center and here's what we found this is nothing to do about what we're going to this is just where are we frame of reference in this presentation so I think this is perfectly fine for for this slide okay next slide please well I borrowed a little bit of uh the next slide that came from the program and this a mix and match great yeah next no so just for a second let's just walk through so this takes us back to 2017 highlighting unmet needs right so the first study right 2021 recal is formed 2022 I call um's new study details need for programs and new space and then I wanted to talk about three Community for four stakeholder focus groups 1472 response survey so Outreach right 2022 selectboard prioritizes recal Awards arpa funds for feasibility and schematic design 2023 um so I I kept the the balding in we may want to take it out whatever the second study highlights current facilities and programs oh no so that's an overlap so this is actually they did the work in 22 they presented it in 23 when you say select board prioritizes recal that's kind of an odd phrasing to me I'm sure what that so some of the questions that have come up in the past that I've been made aware of are hey this came out of the blue okay and you know who's supporting it is it really in need and the fact is it the senior community got $900,000 in arpa funds second largest allocation that was made the schools got two million senior community got 900,000 that's pretty substantial yes and a commitment I think from the board that this is a priority so that's I chose the word priority feel free to change it but that's chose the word priority so that's helpful couple things so the new Mass new study details need for programs in new space um so those bullets that you have um I've added so I just just highlight them in the consideration that we might want to take them out because they are in one of the slides that I put together after on the details so just a consideration to think about just for space purposes yeah that's probably good I did uh and then as far as where it says ums second study highlights current facil I almost um I almost think that at that point really is where you want the decision by the select board to extend recal to further investigate and um and and perform feasibility I mean because that's really what happened at the be you know kind of beginning mid 2023 was let's extend because recap ended we did our present we did our final final presentation and recommendation maybe you know final presentation of recommendations and then ex select board extension um to to next phase or something to that effect uh and then then you have higher BH and a Architects which happened at the end of the year um to to then move forward with the the effort so that I guess that's what I was thinking maybe instead of that um that statement so um I think what we could definitely do is kind of get rid of the top of 2023 to your point swap it I say change it I would change it I would say sorry change those recel final presentation select board you want that deleted yeah yeah we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna write re we're gonna repurpose that somewhere else yep okay so now it can be um select board say authorized select board um extends okay extends extends of Rec recal Charter or work of recal work of recal yeah and maybe it's a colon instead of of kind of a sentence that says um feasibility study additional work on or or uh I would say need specific needs consistent with the recommendations from phase one from Rec I don't know something like that right identify needs identified needs identifi needs I like that okay you want to identify needs after this so first it's going to be feasability study so so recal should be a CO instead of a period and then so colon there and then hit full colon full and then buze it after this potentially yeah that's I'm thinking too yep so now hit return bullets bullet yep feasibility study oh yeah type it it'll show up oh was it just a little Dash probably an empty buet it is ability yes it turn you can type it then we can fix it we'll change it from fee ability bear with me I'm just gonna write it we'll also typo in which be extends right yes keep going back and um identified needs bear with me I'll go back and fix everything after we is there a third boiler point I think two was fine a third what are you thinking I'm thinking the the only other thing that was missing from here was I don't know if you want to bring it up but we spent a lot of work communication communication yeah third bullet what were you saying Mar we spent a lot of time on Walgreens there's a lot of time that recal did so is that should that be highlighted at all I I I I it certainly was a major thing you are absolutely correct Ron we spent time on it maybe more than we should have at this point but that's hindsight um I'm not sure there's a huge value in in I think that's sort of thing we could talk to all right yeah because it was like there was like three months worth of time that no I know no I absolutely correct and I mean there was there was some things that came out of that were actually good that actually helped us yeah think a bit more about what our overall things were in each of those cases so we doing our preliminary schematic designs on our own yeah that was before the extension right it was yes yes it actually was end of 2022 wasn't it yes was just so I under know are we going at some point going over the slides that you come back to them yeah let's and then is it is it are we gonna be able to mix these tonight or is there something we're just going to discuss and then later on we're gonna mix them and then we're GNA let Ron do his magic to fix the formatting all right to done as we can be um I so can I Ron maybe do you so see how it says select boards prioritizes recal Awards Opera funds [Music] um yeah I I never mind I'm okay with that the reality is the Walgreens is largely the reason why we wound up at the wrong end of things in you know but that's what if we do this on on the 2023 select for extends what if we pull that down a little bit so it's still on top of 2023 but put it close to 2023 right yep and now we're going to put a new box above it and the new box above it is in-depth exploration of Walgreens site sure okay that's good what was it again inth hyphen depth th exploration yeah sorry yeah of yeah I'm good with that in think is in hypen depth I in hypen hyen D cool yep great and we'll end up cleaning up to 2022 a little bit more and we can resize it later yeah okay let's keep going next but let's finish 2024 for a minute oh sorry programing space needs multiple multiple sh I was trying to make sure that this is very inclusive sure because of what we in fact did I was I'm fine with these bullets as you have them and then the last one under 2024 is recal can COA align with multiple joint meetings to discuss initiatives I'm side evaluation and selection TBD but yeah that's fine well 2024 I don't think it's a bad thing to say yeah yeah yeah no that's fine yeah so aside from clean up and and the the because one way or the other we're gonna be done me's gonna be done in 2024 next slide please so um so R it looks like you you kind of took what I had built that didn't have the colorful graphics and you created that at slide seven and this is Yep this is the one that this one I I didn't touch this one yeah yeah so this is what was provided by BH plusa this is the one that they had done so it adds timeing about in construction it may be that oh okay just you know good so we don't need both uh we need to figure out how to streamline go back to the seven for a second please I could have 2015 what if we take some of what's on seven move it to eight and get rid of seven well I was gonna say just what if you took um or just add 25 and six take 25 and 26 and move it here can do that I could do that yeah yeah just tell me what you want just tell me what you want to keep and I'll I'll resp yeah this is a definite PowerPoint jockey task run wait can we go to slide I I'm on slide eight what do you want to get rid of and then I'll delete it and then I'll leave what you want to put on the slide seven yeah the problem is going to be that it's yeah leave it the way it is this is it so what what I want to do is just delete on page eight what is a repeat from Seven then I know what to add then I know where to put stuff so you're basic we're talking about essentially merging with slide seven being the the base although you'll probably have to trim it and then adding 2025 and 2026 with their simple bullets of town boat construction just what I'm saying on and on eight we have some repeats that's on seven can we just delete what you want what's on the the repeat that's on eight so re recal for instance in 2021 we can get rid of that one because that's a repeat from s can I delete that I think so are we keeping both no we're gonna no we're only we're only gonna do one I'm gonna redo this just so I know why would we drop Reco then no no he's just from this slide yeah yeah yeah I I I I would I if I were you Ron I I'll figure it out I'll figure it out I'll fig that way you have them to figure I got it I on on seven and in the headline which says recal timeline just add to that at the very back of it yeah click there yeah add to it space space add 2025 and 2026 maybe that's the easiest way to think of and 2015 too right I mean yeah do we want to add 2015 with this mapc piece yep sure yeah in 2015 yep and can I suggest you're gonna need to go to much smaller types so maybe we words y you know I I again what you may want to do is I know you want to get a lot on a slide but to some keywords and things like that and put things in the notes yeah yep okay say 109 I thought this just merited its own slide you going so I don't know if you want that to be the slide with the images popping on why don't we do that okay are you able to open up my presentation um at the same time on this just to look back and forth uh um yeah I have it open I just need to arrange arrange all windows can you can you arrange it or can you just swipe up and look at it I know how you're you want a Mac no yeah uh click on view if it's open what am I doing wrong here click on view move your mouse up to view and see if the windows open uh see where it says switch windows to the right to the right the other right click that there you go see and I don't even use a PC anymore I don't either John nor do I it's been a long time it's up but it's not up on the it's still it's still loading so I think you have to um reshare the screen yeah reshare you know I'm just going to do it the easier way hold on where' my she shirt go sorry Michael's laying down there we go you want the first slide yeah go back up top okay uh not that one but the next one there you go so this yeah this was the one we had before yeah thought it was you know it's nice to see the images so when people look at the deficiencies they can have something to point to so you can um you can just copy that slide and copy it into the other SL slide deck yeah on two yeah command control C actually you know what want do you Ron do you want him to just insert all of these into the other prep yeah then he'll have to share it because it won't go through email we'll have to put on a share Drive how many slides are here seven how about just for tonight I'm that first one you get rid of that's that's just an old slide oh sorry guys end of the day yeah bear with me just for one second right up all right there we go all rights are now into the this sled show I'll fix those so can you um grab the no now go to the bottom go to the very bottom actually up bottom and then up five slides so all the way all the way uh no all the way oh sorry where did you put so scroll up a couple slides maybe uh so slide 10 oh and what's the one right it no you already have the right that's the one we wanted in right yep you got it yeah and get rid of that y this gone so you got this one then you got that can I suggest we've already mentioned some of these deficiencies I think that the headline from the slide you deleted is actually the headline I think so too and and then we can add images to it yeah so can you make a note on this one just say hey um add images from slide from next slide I was gonna say add the images from slide 10 to this slide nine and I think you're yep I think you're good I think that would be a nice slide yeah y great all right so I got you got that one then you have this one that'll be out of that one then we have 11 so so this actually probably should go to the bottom for a bit you want to take well hold on what's the what's the what's slide 16 Yep this is the users finding the users so ke findings okay so we wanted that one next is this a better yes yes so put that out after 10 yeah put 16 after 10 that's 16 after 10 there okay and then so the next couple slides were in my mind um Community Forum survey results Vis Center visits new center guidance I'm not sure whether we need or not but for the moment the community for Server results in the 15 centers those are those basically represent the Three core things we did in phase one right and so what I tried to do was distill them down I I took some of the old presentations and Tred to make them more streamlined so so um if you go back up to slide what is 12 now can you can you go back to regular show show 12 so this is where I talked about we held three three Community forums the general feedback was getting better communication and then these were kind of the outputs from the community forums that we summarized um so again part of the stream the Stream of Consciousness in this story is okay we recognized there were deficiencies we brought on you Mass to do a study and we put recal together and we wanted to solicit input from the community and one way we did it we we're holding the community forums the next thing we did is we did um a survey where we got 1472 responses um and then the third thing is we wanted to check in with with and Benchmark other centers and so we visited 15 local centers so that's kind of the story of these three slides um and slide 13 if you click on that for a minute one thing I did here is the intention of this is not to go through the survey in great detail but I thought just okay we did this survey 1,400 responses it's what was focused on what were some of the questions well we got a qu we got some feedback on where they would like the center on what sort of Center it would be whether they would use it or not and how much they'd be willing to spend on it so you know it's kind of just like we're not trying to delve too deeply into any of these particular topics but just to refresh everybody's memory about the types of information that we were getting and what we what we put into this so um I think this is great the only thing I'd suggest is adding up who responded uh we have there's a demographic piece we can add to that yep I didn't I didn't pull it out but we can do that that would be my next question y I can I can do that and then slide 14 um this is the center visits this formatting needs to be fixed um again the intent is not going through the details of all this but just to say we went and we visited these centers we looked at what sort of buildings they had we looked at what sort of programs they had we we focused a lot on food prep and meals because that's a big need we looked at the operational costs of the centers we looked at transportation and parking and we asked them what what did they think they were missing and just generally kind of this is the type of information that we collected during phase one this is a really good slide and then that led to slide 17 which is our recommendations to the select board I don't think we need 15 um I I left it in there that was a that was a side slide that we had before um you guys can decide whether you want to keep it or not um I okay Marilyn thank you thank you Marilyn thank you all thank you all of you you're doing a great job anyway good tonight I'm looking forward to seeing the final product but great job thanks me too yeah I bet I bet okay good night good night um so I don't know whether you want to keep this or not can I suggest that if you go down um the 19 just show 19 for a second a little different it is different yeah it was it actually was based on all of the stuff what sort of Center do we really need um and how are we going to make it happen right it is a it is a little different slant but you suggestion leave it there for the moment if you guys decide you just think it we don't need it we can take it out like the priorities is what we said that we've yeah yeah yeah yeah um so obviously formatting wise we can fix this um but let's go back up um to slide 14 or 13 okay okay um so oh I'm sorry go one more up apologize okay so 12 13 and 14 we're okay with those slides based on the story does that make sense yeah Ron and Michael are you guys on and nor I think great okay we'll fix 13 we'll fix the formatting on 14 right clean up the formatting on all of them yeah no oh yeah yeah yeah I got to go through and then and then for the moment leave 15 there um as a placeholder whether we decide to whether we keep it or not is a question do you me make a note of that 19 put in the notes yeah Place yeah that's good I mean I like don't get me wrong I like the slide because it does actually tell some other things but I'm not sure it's necessary um so and then the next slide is 17 uh 16's going to move later um go back to slide sort for a minute are you going to move 16 yeah GNA move 16 no no we're gonna do it right now oh you're gonna it right now okay okay sorry sorry go to slide shorter please top left there you go and let's move slide 16 scroll down sorry hold on I gotta just get everyone out of my way sorry I'm multich and trying to make sure anyone has questions I'm watching that and then I'm so you all know we're we're putting a big burden on you so don't worry so where we at you see where it says placeholder for phase two work slide 16 okay that's slide 16 no no yeah undo that if you can or or put it back undo it okay now take 16 okay and move it after project priorities for recal move it after 19 there we go all right so that goes down here to there and then you can delete slide 20 yep well yeah you can delete it delete it yeah go ahead okay so now let's go back to 16 do you want to go back to the other view uh please 16 there we go so 16 I think is perfect this is this is is what we recommended so I I I I feel we should we should keep that um 17 this is um this is the additions to the Charter again this is kind of the next step after we presented our recommendations they'll select board agreed to extend recal and add add to the Charter and here's what they asked to look at and then um the next slide is you know we this actually this priorities slide actually came out of the the pH one work that's okay here because we could say this is this is what guided our decision making and then the next slide is so in phase two um we've done two we've really done two things the first thing is we've done some additional site visits and we need to fix the formatting but I I just tried to pull some information together I thought like I said I think there's some nuggets DET of info here but I just yeah I I thought the point was so why did we do this we went to some more sites we really wanted to get a better understanding for of Financial programmatic and transportation issues those that's what you had asked us to do and we wanted to continue to learn how other centers are engaging with with the community and I mean I think that you know that whole process is an ongoing process this isn't the end of it but this information is is I just it's something more to build on I don't necessarily think this information is a PBC feasibility study thing I think it's more kind of Elder Services you know ongoing operational you know how do we make some of these things work how do we Finance certain things um how do we deal with Transportation because we know that these are all going to be issues that are going to have to be addressed can moving forward so I I just thought it would be good to continue to show that we've been doing more work than just the feasibility study I would probably not have this slide at all but if we do like Burlington I'd have to go through my notes but there was a lot more in Burlington and I know the budget was greater uh pretty sure the Staffing they Hades from the notes that I got just recent no no no no I I understand that John and like for examp the transportation they got money from uh Ley you know that that kind of there was there certainly was more there I TR I just tried to pull I didn't try to put everything in right um I just wanted to have you know some examples of things that we yeah we found and that are wor and by the way the reason this is broken up is I was trying to have this in three columns so that's why the formatting looks all weird yeah yeah we we should I to me this looks like an almost like an appendix slide in some ways I don't know but I know what you're trying to do what you're trying to say John but just just I think it would be great if we so first of all we need you and I should add Randolph and and come up with a couple things but what I think we want is need three bullet points per Center that relate to what we were exploring just just a note Wakefield has is right in the middle of expanding their Center as we speak so they have this entire building which is an old school up until a month ago maybe two they just had the first basement in the first floor and the town just approved 400,000 arpa funds to give the third and the fourth floor to the senior center I don't know if that helpful information but that is helpful so yeah yeah they just doubled their space so I I I agree like a lot of these details just are way too much for this slide I don't disagree with that I threw them on here because I wanted just to say okay we've learned some things and to Mark's point maybe the answer is we just list the three or four centers that we went through and a couple key points that we want to pull out you know these guys have an awesome job with Transportation these folks have have done a great job with meals these got I mean what just a couple points that I think would be you know continue to show that we've you know we haven't stopped looking at what other centers are doing I think the other piece and Chris I hope you and Jenner would agree that by doing this you guys are continuing to you know form your networks with these other senior centers and understanding what things can be done and what programs work well um we are um it's a little bit challenging because the local we're doing a lot more than the ones that are kind of Closer by um which you know it's the larger centers that we kind of have to look at um for what you were just saying so it's a little bit of a challenge um but we are keeping our Network and keeping uh con communication I I I guess I put it in here as again as trying to address that placeholder I think this we we need to put something here um what exactly you know I take a first stab feel free to cut away at it can I suggest that there are three things to highlight by Center if we can one budget and staff yeah two space expansion you know something how much space they have what's going on are they expanding did they just expand and three is something about transportation so I definitely think one and three um I think the question about two we didn't actually go out with the objective of number two this time around our objective was more programmatics um so I and that was our Charter so I actually think if you want to do a program there was some really interesting program comments in there by the way you know um they wanted drama programs then they had musical presentations and entertainment I thought that was a piece that you know I mean maybe we it's not that we hadn't heard it before but it actually sounds like these centers are actually doing some of that now and getting good traction on so I I I think those are the three things that we were asked to do so I'd like to demonstrate that we they again the transport budget and staff right budget and staff okay program Transportation do we want to mention because I like the other it was in the other slide as far as uh total budget and what what was it cost oh it was based on cost per Senor the one the other one I had I had I had space I had space cost may have been Staffing in that other slide you can go back and look at so yeah I thought that was really good but in both places who ever presenting it should highlight the fact that when we're talking about budget for reading it's a combined Human Services Elder budget so n right and like like NM for example their their $2 and a half million dollar budget covers Health and Human Services Youth and Family aging and Veterans that's comp right right no that's that's why you have to I'm saying almost all the others and that other slide which had the 15 that's going to be based on their Elder budget their senior center budget yeah and as isn't yeah I I Staffing I I think that's fine I I I I think if we answer those questions and bullet point for you for what we have for each is is all and if you want a placeholder for um something unique unique or um stand out if there's something outside of that area so um what if can you just put a little under where it says click D notes at the bottom y um reduce to these three points colon budget and staff budget and staff comma program program comma Transportation Y and I would suggest also while you're still there period we should add Randolph which you and I can talk about Chris how to do that um it sounds like truthfully Wilmington has happened in some way shape or form if there's something there we should add it if there's not don't that was the what about what about meals was that on the programs or meals was not was not a specific topic so in some cases we see it here it looks like and others not but that I want to tell the select board we listened to them and we we did what they asked in respects yeah and it's interesting though transportation we didn't even have to ask I mean when you even the original 15 Transportation kept on coming up yeah although we do need to keep in mind though runting special with Transportation because we we don't technically do the medical transportation which is a huge part of all these other centers Transportation so we got to keep that in mind yeah but the the Medical Transportation here is severely limited to far as income well isn't in a lot of these other plac well so it's not anyone it's not restricted it is it is but if you're over a certain income you just have to pay a little bit um so anyone with an income can sign up it's just under a certain income it's free or very low and then above that it's just costs a little bit more are there a lot of people that don't get it for free they use it um I mean we I've never seen that advertised so I don't think anybody would know that so we're not we're not just we're not flushed with like you know hundreds of people standing at the door knocking because we're still uh we're still a community like most people at the center when we survey they drive to the center so the majority of our participants still drive so that's why most people not yeah yeah so I think this is an internal issue yeah yeah not not so much for this presentation I think but I'm just saying that just if we're going to compare these other centers this isn't yeah no it doesn't this isn't about that person yet this is about you this almost to some extent is like this is all one all this information that's been collected over the last two years has led us to go down the path of a center oh yeah but as I've said the center is just the building all the other pieces that have to be there around it this is part of that and you know we haven't solved any of those pieces yet we are just collecting more information to figure out you know what things can we do I think the good news is that you have experience because of the Apple money to show that you're doing a lot of fabulous things at the center you know I mean so we're doing we're doing more than and and also what we're not we're doing them more than any other Center pretty much comparing to the big ones and our numbers are right now I'm bigger than Somerville when I was in Somerville a number wise so I mean I don't think a lot of people understand that people don't understand what point we're at right but you don't want to be yeah I mean that's good you know credit to you but the purpose is of you know reality is here you're doing it you get very little space yeah so what could you be doing you know how many more people if you had to reason L of space I'm going to have a stop in a in a little bit can we just look at the rest of these to see what else we have here quick question so Sayed Rand can you just say possibly will witon possibly and over what about Wilmington um in terms of a comparison oh we have that that was one of the one the early ones we going back to I went one isn't built so what was Marilyn talking she was just saying she SKT oh um we talk to and over numerous times I don't think Jenna was supposed to get us information but I don't think um Jenna ever got the information I I I think we went to end over the first yes I but I think they've changed a lot since in the last two years I think it's it's kind of new and improved or they open something new and we have a great connection to the director yeah and it turns out my colleague is about to be the chair of the COA so we have great connections there to get whatever we want he already invited me for a visit yeah I my oldest sister that's she goes there all the time yeah a senior soon so I don't want what happened is they had a uh a building that there was comp you know competing interest you know the they got to they got they compromised and so that the seniors had the first whole first floor large space Sounds like Wilmington we just killed actually how about end over a question mark yeah and kill Wilmington okay kill Wilmington did we ever get any information on North Andover not that I'm aware of they they um they have that new center a new center I just actually I just looked it up the other day um I I don't have any more information other than a nice nice picture of it let's roll let's roll on okay so 20 so 20 this is something I I created for the financial form I think disappear I'm not sure well let's get rid of it delete sorry Mark as allowed to okay I can do that you don't break the computer in the process um okay so these next couple slides were so this I think it needs to be cleaned up but there's some interesting stuff here particularly point three yeah and engaging other stakeholders that was more talking about how we've started to involve a lot more of the community volunteer groups ranging from historic to Recreation to PBC to whatever do we highlight the the recreation any place because I to me that's important ing ingredient I think in the 21 can you grab 21 so you changed my 21 Ron so I did so you know I put the 60 plus Community Center there I put intergenerational accessibility to all the things that seniors need Recreation I put the pickle ball in there then I put the chips um so this is interesting but not what the intent of the slide was so maybe we keep this but it's a separate slide this was talking about also specific things like the community health initiative the chip you've got there but and then we talked about inclusion so accessibility for inclusion okay all right I'm starting to see um was Rec and Recreation was one of okay so I see what's going on I I do you turn them into pictures rather than words yeah I did I did huh just has to be spoke talked to yeah I'd be okay with the slide like this as long as talk to it yeah yeah Okay cool so this was kind of all background and this was for me just was kind of a break says okay now right exactly okay so there you go um right there's a kind of comparison you're seeing how the numbers the numbers match that's yeah so really important yeah then I went to the site selection process we had you can see each of the three and then I had a question so here do we want to bring in we have more pictures of each we could talk a bit more and show them something larger uh but there were like eight slides on each which is like holy so let me make one suggestion on that and that is when we make the recommendation we can put a picture or two with that for the recommendation but I wouldn't do it for the them can I just put them all in the appendix so that if somebody says can I yeah what did that look like whoever's there can grab it it's at the back what I ended up doing folks is I I created a second presentation of the appendix so the thing was too big to email so I cut all the extra slides off and stuck them in a second presentation yeah no that's a good idea though they have the others yeah just when we here here's one for Pleasant Street with Jim so you can see it a little bit more DET so actually it's just blown up from what's on the previous slide here's Simon's way and Oakland Road Simons so actually there should be an Oakland Road one I guess yeah there's no and this is probably just a good point to say Hey you know those are the same then I did okay the site options so here you go yeah fire and police here's the location this is the one we talked about good slide y 29 was basically just saying hey we looked at a pile of stuff all right those are the spreadsheets and 30 is and here's what we looked at 30 um and iring down sites we'll see if it's there or not not a terrible slide to have so that slide's 30 by the way you could talk to it in 29 yeah and not you could have it as a backup but you could talk to it in9 incl things like yeah yeah so but that's it depends on who's presenting when we leave it for now and then we can next pass can chop or decide what to do historical or pbci updated engaging now before s station is finalized meeting with the butters uh okay site benefits so this was the procon right so benefits drawbacks yeah I did instead of procon I did drawbacks and benefits yeah I'm all right where are we now TBC agreed to take on the program recal building PBC two to three members of the project so we'll see what that real number is for for ny's comment sorry can you go back on for click uh PBC consid about testing soil assign way others timing TBD so I think we can update this as we learn a little bit more this is kind of where it is now the other question is and you brought it up before on um I'll call it other considerations and it came up at the financial form for example what sort of program costs excuse me what sort of Staff costs would be involved with the new center I think that that needs to we can't answer it but we need to say it has to be addressed okay I wanted I don't want to lose I had this sitting in my back of my mind the fact that over the last year the friends of reading senior whatever whatever for 60 plus friends of reading 60 plus friends of reading 60 plus has been created and yeah it's an opportunity for fundraising and to support things like FFN or things like that so I I actually think it's worth yeah at least mentioning if not to put it in there somewhere I mean for now put it in the where we are now kind of would fit there nicely I think that's good yeah I like that because I I I think back to your point this just didn't come up yesterday yes right and I even had this conversation with with I think it was Carlo I was like you guys have voted all the way along you've been supporting this right so these are priorities that we all agree on right so yeah um no I think I think it's important to show that all of this stuff is heading in that right direction and and people are making a commitment to move forward with this so I I I think that's another good point to add the FRS drou by the way is doing really well um they're lucky money awesome which is really nice yeah um love it they've gotten a couple larger donations which is really nice yeah that's um awesome I didn't even mention that not only has it formed but it's yeah yeah I even put the the email address if you want to right contribute if you want to contribute go whatever like 460 plus gmail.com or something like that should be simple like that I forget what it is I can't remember i' add that one if they don't have it anyway it's friends of reading seniors at gmail.com no no no no thank you Nora marketing help needed here we we met men need a lot of help okay anything else before John has to go before we all have to go I I I I think it's an it's coming along nicely yeah I think so too and the fact that we're not actually presenting next week or the week after whatever but I knew for do that with a so something you have to decide who's going to present it I'm not bringing my computer by the want I'm go away so I made that commitment to my wife no computer um yeah when's the next select board being enough that July moment uh hang on not the ninth the 16th July 16th okay Ron I'm going to try sending this to you now um let me know C to if you don't mind please if you wanted to John I would ask if you can one way to uh to help one way to help reduce the size is um when you say file right go to go to here I'll show you it says files as compressed pictures right bring up the slideshow SL got to find it again I just closed it my dust you got way too much open on your screen comments from the gallery we should should set up I know it's hard to do but if we should set up a a Google Drive you do save as Mark what what time when was the next presentation back there again okay sorry presentation of which Nora this to the select board you mean yes what was the DAT is not defined yet oh okay we're kind of waiting on the pbc's Cadence which is probably going to be a function of soil testing so the earliest will be July 16th is what you yes it's not it's not removed from the June 18th meeting so so Ron can you tell Chris again which thing to look at is it it's not save do file least on the Mac it does this it says file yeah that's what I'm saying it's not there it says compress ress pictures yeah is it too big to send already do you know that it needs to be compressed I don't know um why you try I think I got it small enough that when I yeah when I got it it was um when I compressed it was around 18 I sent it to you on mail which actually I'd never used that before that seemed to work I basically said oh up to 30 send it this way yeah usually mine kicks out at 25 25 that's what it does for me too um while he's doing that next meeting yes yeah so we need to monitor PBC a little bit a lot um when are they meeting next I don't know let me know usually first Monday so I'm gonna say first Monday in July okay that's the third July Fourth week did you it yeah I sent it to you going to guess that's their meeting certainly not before then are they posted probably not yet post until a couple weeks before which is driving me Patty okay because you need an agenda to post is the reason yeah all right so July 1 would be the first Monday yeah I let's guess that that's what it is for now um so we shouldn't meet until after right well so hang on so on at the June 18th meeting the select Board needs to vote to extend the Sunset date yeah I got it you got it yep all right I'll send it to everyone now there anything else that impacts us thanks Ron y the only question I still have in my mind is what's gonna what what are you going to do with um bhna at this point what are they doing and who's driving that train between now and decision time so nominally um Jenna not nominally Jenna leads it so when is Jenna back one more week next Wednesday so um what are you talk discussing sorry what bhna should do next h+a but didn't we talk earlier about the operations person being the one that's going to should be stepping in with them so as it relates to the schematic design yes while Reco still exists um it maybe that we want to share guidance thus far um but I take your point maybe the OPM should dig in now so I don't know I know they discussed it I don't know if they decided did they take a vote and say this is how this is how we're going to do OPM and who's that up to is it up to the town um I think they were OPM was trying to go with gnap yeah but I think Matt was going to check with Council on there there's a couple questions on things so he's going to follow up with Council um just to make sure okay I think we're okay I did have a meeting with Town Council about this with Matt few weeks ago but let's get next meeting next our next meeting so why don't we something for after that next PBC meeting it might be a short meeting yeah might be a longer meeting but it's probably good for us just to get together in chat um and that's well before the select board meeting so we can figure out if there's anything to to figure out it's also if suddenly things are like boom we could respond and if they're not then the next selectboard meeting is in August and it is August so you have the 16th and then the next meeting in August sometime 20th of August August 20th next meeting which probably seems well to me seems that's going to be more realistic right because first of July PBC is not gonna yeah they'd have two more meetings they the PBC conceivably yeah and that may allow time to so so I mean the money question should probably get resolved before June 30th because if there's any fiscal 24 money we should use it all right I I'll chat with the to manager all right so do you want to meet that July 4th week are people away I'm not away I'm away I'm away it would be hm it's but but for posting purposes it would be better if it was the next week because then we would know whether or not for our agenda we have to have the agenda we of a so I might I might actually be out of town but I could I could do it remotely most likely okay you're talking about like the 10th the 10th um I may have to be remote but I can join we're talking about July 10th people uh July oh July 10th yes yeah that'll be all right with me Mike I'm pretty sure I'm clear on that but I thought I was clear tonight so how about you hey so it's the recal question mark July 10th yeah you won't but Jenna should be Jenna back so we'll both probably be here okay we'll both July 10th is next meeting okay 6:30 sure um oh is that I was gonna say so I might be on the west coast so can we do seven yeah I can do seven I know I'm the one that drives for 6:30 right so yeah yeah um if I'm G to be on the west coast I I'll be done by 4 I hope but um the folks in the hospital like to do early early days like six so 6 a.m. yeah yep s work meeting we're not doing at 6 6 West Coast no not a good okay so we we good good on everything all right entertain a motion to ajour motion to ajour second okay uh Nora yes agree Ron feni yes please Michael Colman yes o doer yes John Sasso yes John O'Neal yes Ron when you're done with your updates will you send a copy to Chris yes yes now yes all right I just sent everyone the copy of the slideshow so it should be coming into everyone's email soon okay you thank you thank you thank you thanks everyone bet e for