e e e e e e e e e e e um muting some people that weren't muted okay so hello everyone this is Chuck terone reading's conservation administrator this meeting will be conducted in hybrid format in person and virtually consistent with chapter two of the acts of 20123 which further extends certain covid-19 measures regarding remote participation in public meetings until March 31st 2025 please note not all items listed may be in fact discussed and other items not listed may be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by law this agenda includes those matters which can be reasonably anticipated to be discussed at this meeting please note that this meeting is being recorded all material for this meeting is available at the following link which I will provide in the chat matham Moore the conservation chair will facilitate this meeting please note that there will be public comment period for each hearing for each vote taken tonight this meeting uh will be conducted by roll call vote we'll begin with a roll call attendance MAA can you please review tonight's agenda and uh take the attendance sure and I'm calling this meeting to order at 710 Walter has his hand up so I'm not sure what that is about let's check with Walter before we start we're not recording yet what Walter you we need you thank you okay no I know I I know that was gonna do that thank you thanks that's my job yeah yeah appreciate it used to be my job okay so I called us to order at 710 um would you please answer present when I call your name recording in progress Walter Walter talet member present Bill Bill MC's member present Tony Tony roock is member present Andrew Andrew dman member present Brian Brian bro Vice chair present and Martha Moore chair present and um the agenda tonight includes a presentation about the Mallette SS and Morgan construction project and then um 252 to 262 Main Street 71 Lyla Lane 44 Chet zero Forest Street which is located between 126 and 106 Forest Street and then some old new business including voting for The commission's liaison to the community preservation act some issues about certificates of compliance um we will not be discussing bare Meadow Land Use we're going to do that on April 24th and um administrator report and minutes for approval okay so first thing is the mlet SS Morgan project and who's here to present sure so before we get into that and we have people here for it I'm just going to give a quick little introduction um the mlet SS Morgan Construction uh constructed storm water Wetland system is the result of a regional Watershed wide effort to reduce flooding in the downstream communities by creating offline storage to treat areas Upstream within the Mystic River Watershed Mystic River Watershed totals 76 square miles of land that drains towards the Mystic River its Headwaters begin in Reading Massachusetts with the abona river which runs through the Mad soms in Morgan land it flows through a number of municipalities before trains into Boston H climate change driven extreme rainfall is um already causing smaller tributaries such as the Jona River to overtop their Banks leading to local and downstream flooding I'd like to briefly mention um the reading project team Community uh development director Andrew McNichol is not here tonight and Senior civil engineer Alex tziki who's sitting right over there in the corner and uh myself construct conservation administrator Chuck terone and horley Wht supported this project and we're lucky enough to have senior Water Resource engineer Jennifer rstab uh helping us on this project Jennifer I've uh I know that you're online I've given a brief introduction can you introduce yourself and your team and start tonight's presentation we'll do um good evening members of the commission and the public who are here tonight my name is Jennifer RAB I'm with horley Whitten group um I'm a senior Water Resources engineer and we've been working on this project um since 2021 and we're happy to be here tonight to provide you an update um tuck can I share my screen yes all right you should be able to see it now we can all right um the uh project team as Chuck mentioned is made up of U members of the town of reading um horley Whitten group um uh those staff are not here tonight except for myself I also wanted to give a mention to two other um Partners uh the Mystic River Watershed Association who's been with us as a project partner throughout helping us with our public engagement um and M Michelle Rowden who's uh been our um MVP or Municipal vulnerability preparedness uh program coordinator and has been a great supporter of our project um tuck great gave a great introduction of the site just for those who are not as familiar the site is located off of Willow Street and LEL Street um and a buts uh MBTA Commuter Rail property as well as um the abona river um to the east uh and of course uh the abutters on um the Willow Street side uh for those who uh haven't been able to attend any of our previous presentations um in the past few years I just wanted to give a little bit of a background as to how we got to the point today um the site was selected as one of 425 sites um it's a project that was um done through the upper Mystic working group of the resilient Mystic collaborative this is a group that's formed um under and as part of the Mystic River Watershed Association um the main main project goal there was to really look for opportunistic sites across the upper Mystic River Watershed to address both local and Regional flooding um as well as improved connectivity and access to open space um and under that project um in 2020 a concept design um was developed HW came on board under under um a contract in 2021 and we used um data from the field modeling uh input as well as public input and developed design that we were able to permit back in 2021 um we we were then able in 2022 to continue our public um engagement you can see a photo here of uh Chuck and Andrew and others um on a s sidewalk that we did um and really trying to seek as much um public uh input as we can um from from the broader community in AB Butters um and we were able to with the support of the public our community leaders and state representatives to get the funding that we needed to really complete uh those construction documents and with that we were able to bid the project in 2023 and start in the summer of 2023 around July um just wanted to highlight here the image on the right is a aerial flyover uh view of the site um back in the fall um and it's obviously changed a little bit now and we're hoping to get some more um images of that um for the commission and the public to share um shortly um but just to highlight again what our project priorities were we wanted to create open space improvements ins side amen amenities that harmonize with the existing environment knowing that there's the abona and those Wetlands that are already existing on site we wanted to help create accessible Pathways for pedestrians and others to use restore native plant and tree species on site uh Implement nature-based uh heat mitigation strategy so improving that tree canopy um that healthy tree canopy and providing management and treatment of storm water the final design here um this graphic uh very similar to what we've shown in some of our previous um presentations here um this site is uh the design was a constructed Wetland is a constructed Wetland um constructed wetlands are engineered nature-based systems they use these systems of shallow and deep pools and marshes uh to treat uh Native vegetation um I'm going to use my pointer here just to help us with kind of describing the system the water um comes in from low Street a very large drainage area about 40 acres in total eventually right now it's about I think 10 that's going to drain off of L Street and come uh in a first flush to these sediment four bays in this area and then it goes through these systems as I mentioned shallow um and deep uh pools that allow that water to uh settle and and um flow through our vegetation so we've got all that native vegetation to help us filter all that water um we did have and and do have on site an existing Wetland um that's uh shown here by these uh dashed lines and we really wanted to protect that and preserve um that existing area as much as possible so we have um a limited crossing here um which we permitted um with the Conservation Commission to allow that water to travel between these cells on the east side here and the west side over here and then continues on through a system of deep and shallow pools all the way to the end of the system which then overflows back into the abona the the water is a highlight here but even more so um of the benefits to the public are the accessible Pathways we've got um 8ot uh wide accessible permeable paths that extend from the um new uh parking lot which has uh four spaces and a handicap and that it goes all the way through um from Willow Street effectively now to LEL street it also makes a connection here to the Hunt Street Path um which currently aren't isn't part of our project but we know that that will be something that the conservation uh commission and others will look to in the future uh the other things that are important here in terms of amenities we have areas where we are going to have benches for seating um even right here you can see there are interactive moments Stepping Stones overlooks signage and boardwalks that allow um users residents uh to be able to effectively go through and look at um the Wetland in a more immersive um nature sorry um see if I can can turn that off maybe I can't all right um so I wanted to highlight today uh the work that's going on site um even though we've had a lot of challenges um which I'll get to in a minute um our contractor T Ford um has made great progress on the site uh we've completed about uh 65 70% of the work on the east side which is the low Street side of the project um most of the rough and fine graining is complete our paths are mostly in place uh boardwalks and some of our side amenities are um complete and we're almost ready um to start planting which we're hoping uh will be either this month or early next month um the work in the Wetland Crossing is still ongoing uh we've completed most of the subsurface work in that area uh we are just waiting for the bridge to be completed but we're leaving that open right now that is a major source of access for uh the contractor to get from one side of the site to the other uh the driveway and the uh retaining wall that exists on the Willow Street driveway axis has been mostly completed and the parking area itself is mostly completed um that will be paved uh towards the end at of the project and lastly the area that we're currently active is sort of the last couple cells that we have on the site um which are the harder ones because they're the closest um to the groundwater level so it takes a little bit more time uh for us to complete those but we're hoping that within the next couple months we're going to be ready to go I'd like to talk now a little bit about some of the changes that we've had um over the course of the project um we did do a tree Health assessment um which was completed uh we did a walk through with uh the town with Town staff in the town um arborus uh and we did uh look at tree health and some concerns um that that the contractor had identified in concert with the staff um and so we did take down a few additional trees that we uh thought would be uh necessary in in progress uh and so we are going to be adding some additional trees and shrubs um to the counts to be able to compensate for those additional uh trees removed there were some uh add additional conflicts uh utility conflicts and coordination that has been necessary through this project um at Lowel Street we did have to make a a slight uh location uh pipe location change um to accommodate some of the some of the change um some of the existing infrastructure that wasn't um identified in plans um and we did have to coordinate with National Grid there is a uh gas line that runs underneath the Willow Street driveway and so we did have to coordinate with them to make sure that we were uh obviously protecting their infrastructure and of course the safety of U the contractor and our staff as well I mentioned some challenges um I'm sure all you guys are aware that we've had some really challenging weather over the last uh nine months or so uh July which is when the contractor started um it was the second wetest year on record um we've had a very rainy uh beginning of 2024 already so that has made um it even more difficult for us to um work and progress as uh quickly as we had hoped but we are making good progress as I said and I think we're pretty close to our schedule as we had um discussed it back in in the summer um there are very high levels in the abon river and higher groundwater elevations particularly compared to um a couple years ago when we started this work design work um but we are seeing um a lot of really great progress and we're seeing that the system as we designed it is working uh just to show you some photos um going from left to right um You can see kind of as we started to um do some of the site work site clearing you can see how um that that sort of opened up sight lines a little bit um we got to grading we found um obviously variations and soils and I'll talk about that too in a little bit um but really starting to shape um some of these areas was really exciting we did have uh despite the warm winter we did have a little bit of snow um you can see in the middle picture here just how nice um this looks um when it's uh finished um and as we go uh to the right um You can see some of that finished work um in those photos some of the boulders that we have up some of the crossings that we are are are installing to help again sort of have the uh residents and users immers themselves in the Wetland just to highlight um some of the challenges um these photos here uh show uh you can kind of see here U this is a little bit of an impro to gauge that our contractor set up for us to measure those water levels as we um see see flooding on site um the water level is quite high it's about two feet in this um particular image about two feet higher than uh typical uh normal uh flood levels um and you can see here on the lower left this is a after our I think January 10th 9th or 10th event um that the site you know was experiencing some flooding um but with that uh constructed Wetland and the grading onsite a lot of that was able to be kept um and protecting both the Wetland and um our our uh infrastructure on site um just this middle picture here is just another picture of that sort of uh Wetland um inundation um and this is actually this areas where the Wetland Crossing is and our crossing our bridge will be our Boardwalk excuse me will be um Crossing um through between the two sites some other challenges that I didn't mention um this is not weed for those who are familiar with the area um this area has a significant um actually the area we're about to be working in has a significant um area of of Japanese knotweed um which which the uh commission provided permission for us to um conduct some treatments of uh back in the fall and the year prior uh so we'll be looking to address that in the upcoming spring and summer um the other challenge that we've seen are some of the soils um we noticed that there's um quite a lot of trash on site um probably from you know Urban historical Phil um and we we have seen um some areas that have been a little bit deeper and more challenging than we had anticipated but again the contractor has been really uh doing a great job working through this uh with us so just a couple more um Milestones that we have again we are hoping that we're going to be planting at least the east side the low Street side um of the site um come this month or early May uh we're hopeful that the remainder of the Wetland cells and the path will be completed um this summer uh around June and then substantial completion of the work will happen in July um whether or not we're totally complete will be dependent on um the planting and the seeding which typically you know needs to happen in a sort of a spring or a fall time frame so that will be sort of determine where we are with completion our hope is that the site will open uh broadly to the public in the fall um and I put the website here just for those uh members of the public who are interested um we have regular updates on that and on that website if there are any questions um there are contacts um on that website to uh get more information and that's it for me thank you thank you Jennifer so uh Alex do you want to add anything to that or should we just go right to questions oh can they hear me if I'm here or should I come closer no well you yeah I don't really have anything to add great presentation Jen I'm just here for additional questions or support if anything comes up I don't really have anything else at the time so thank you um that was Alex Riki uh senior Town engineer right and during her presentation it looked like there was somebody trying to get in on the telephone connecting by phone did you notice that at all yes everyone's in there's no one waiting no one waiting okay um I couldn't figure out what that was all about can I ask for public comment at this point or questions not sure um if you have questions or comments raise your hand I'll call on you you can come up to the podium and state your questions or comments so that you can be heard on the microphone so the people listening in by Zoom can hear you sure and anyone on Zoom just uh go to the reactions button and use the raise hand function it'll pop up to the top of the screen and I'll be able to see you okay Karen you all karen ER reading select board um so excited about this project um thank you all sorry there you're wel this is and thank you Jennifer for that update um so I did want to just let you know that uh senat Senator oh sorry representative Molt's office was in touch with me um they're going to be visiting the district so um great to see this timeline so you know he tossed out um one of his staff members tossed out a date of May 20th which seems like it's a little bit early based on that timeline but uh he's very excited about the project and um we'll look forward to celebrating with us so so thank you and also I'll just say thank you for being willing to participate in the community preservation act um um committee thank you I could just follow up with that if if he does want to do a site visit on the Northern I call it the northern half I think Jen called it the eastern half but the L the side closer to L street we could do maybe a small group uh him if he if he's interested he did provide a lot of funding for the project so I don't want want to turn I would never turn them away but where May is probably pretty uh messy on the other side so we could talk yeah thank you yeah thanks for the support thank you anybody else questions or comments I don't see any on the screen so you would use uh at the bottom of the screen you would see the reaction button and if you open that up you'll see a raise hand function uh any questions from the Commissioners yes come on up and give your name and address Elane Parker 256 low Street Reading I'm on the low Street side and I'm noticing that a lot of the water is coming closer to our homes in the conservation area it's been an awful I mean I know we've had exceptionally wet weather but it's you know all winter there's been puddles of you know ice back there that we've never seen before and I have to say I mean I missed some of these other meetings but I'm devastated by the loss of trees and everything back there it was such a quaint little spot to walk for all the residents and now it's I mean so far I'm not so happy with it but what can I do it's done but the trees that have been chopped down are just devastating it's looks like it's been decimated yeah so um it's best you know it the there is that shock value once we cut the trees down it it it's something that we all say every time a project happens um I'd like to you know do a reunion a year from now a year and a half from now after we have everything planted and typically what ends up happening is the trees stay fruit flowers bloom it's a different spot it still is a quaint little spot uh that's located close enough to walk to through all people on Willow and L Street as far as the water goes we've been um dealing with uh some some so some Wildlife Engineers known as uh Beaver uh all winter long and um so that's something that we'd have to take care of during the spring so to greas the dams in the winter time and and we tried to keep it at a certain level um that would allow the Beaver to maintain their life but not drain the ponds out now that it's warming up we're going to be able to look at that a little bit closer and there's also some areas in the Stream that may be able to open up with um some upcoming projects to kind of get the sticks and brush out of the streamway that what's happened at the bridge because that's completely blocked yeah that's and I think that's why the W is backing up so it's beavers yeah we want to try something I got your email today it's a perfect home for Beaver but we are dealing with a lot of water on our site so we've like Chuck said tried to manage it as best we can without taking major corrective action and we've uh we're talking about stalling a beaver deceiver at the bridge so that um Public Works engineering conservation is all aware that that water is too high right now the residents of hun streak can't even get to Mallette if they wanted to and that's certainly not the goal so the water is is too high um we are aware of it and and it this project has not discharged any water to the abona river we only take in water so I think once we deal with the beaver situation uh on a more permanent basis this project will certainly not make it things worse for anyone on either side of L street or Willow Street okay yeah because it's just it's just so obvious that it's it's it's it's yeah we're we're aware of it and we're we're working on a plan to knock that down a little bit one more question is this a state funded project or is this a town funded project or combination let Jen uh go through all of our funding if you if you would like Jen yeah yeah so so the project design um was funded through the municipal vulnerability preparedness uh Grant this project is part the construction of this project is partially funded by them um the town also has received um Congressional direct Congressional uh spending thank you uh to Seth Molton and other uh State reps um which funds the remainder of that uh construction budget um and I believe we've you know gotten some supplementary help um elsewhere and I think um I don't know if if um Alex yeah it's it was about a $2 million Federal uh Congressional direct spending Grant and MVP came in about 1.5 or 1. 8 million Grant the town has matches on that as a percentage and the uh select War kicked in some arpa money to get this thing kicked off and we've used some supplementary uh stormwater Enterprise funds so we've kind of picked away at different pieces to lessen the birdie because you know it is a quite a big substantial uh money ticket for the town but we really haven't dipped into any reserves or anything like that on a on a big basis thank you thank you yeah thank you I just can I sorry can I add one more thing about the trees just because that might a common for others um reading has a a tree and shrub policy um and because of the significant removal of the trees on the site we did have to uh come up with a replacement schedule um as per the permit we identified about 56 uh deciduous trees about 6 in cbh or higher that needed to be removed the plan that we proposed was about 61 trees with 90 replacement shrubs and almost 24,000 planting plugs that will go in our Wetlands um we are going to be increasing those replacement trees and shrubs now um so we'll have almost I think or over a hundred shrubs and about I think 80 replacement trees um as part of this project so um you know like Chuck said I do I do think that um over time we're going to see that tree canopy come back and it'll be healthier for our Wildlife um as well anybody else with comments or questions from the public or from members of the conservation commiss Andrew yeah I just wanted to to I noticed the why I'm on the hunt side so the water I I awar this from the Bieber as well I'm not opposed to getting rid of the Bieber that that's what you're saying but I'm not I'm not upset that it's there but I do want to I worried about the qual quantity of water water quantity um and from my point of view if I can't access all this project I want to make sure that trail that's there if it needs to get modified that it can get coordinated this summer so that it aligns with the opening of the uh larger project um that the the Beavers that are out there um trapping them is not uh consideration at this moment uh this is conservation land and in a forested wetland and and so but obviously that's that's something that may have to be addressed if we can't manage this through a beaver deceiver and there's maintenance involved with that also it's not you know set it and forget it um so it has to be looked at these things can work and the beers can move on and the water level can drop on its own also um but uh no we're not at that point we're only talking about removing the dam to a level that's um acceptable uh you have to make sure that you don't lower it too much because then the beaver will notice that and just move upstream and create another Dam you just want to bring it down and and um set up that Beaver deceiver to siphon the water through what they think is their Dam and everything should work out fine um so that's the plan right now it's just waiting for the weather and waiting for the volunteers so if the water on the existing trail that goes to hunt doesn't go down substantially do we need to bring in the trail committee to try to coordinate any work that needs to be done to that to help things they could but there's it's it's it's pretty flooded and they would have to do a boardwalk from one end to the other just about but so I think just dropping the the water level is is what we're talking about now it may raise up every spring and that's always what happen I get the most flooding calls in Spring and so that's just something that always happens but if we can manage that um the water Upstream of the abaj Jona from the abona trail bridge then I think we'll be okay that's I mean that's actually totally just connected but but I you know obviously we don't know what Wildlife is going to do and and we see where the Beaver Dam is now and we'll attct that but there might be something further Upstream that we have to take into consideration if um if uh they get spooked and move on okay um and then I just comment on the tree I I noticed how substantial it looked when the trees were taken down but I do have confidence that um these project these landscape projects they layer in over time and um I did appreciate the way it looked before but I think we're going to have something but may not be in a year honestly it'll probably be more like proba 10 years it'll be much better than what it was okay J flurry um asking to have a question he's hand up Jay yeah on Newton just state your name for the record fantastic thank you very much uh Joseph flurry 20 Willow Street uh we've been really enjoying my son in particular watching all the construction trucks behind our home um it's a tremendous project that we can't wait to actually get out on the trail um one question we have is around 20 Willow Street and closer to the 129 side we notice that there seemed to be an extension of the path pretty much to within five feet of our existing property line that didn't really appear to be on the original plans um was there a kind of a change in the plan to extend the path around both sides of the pond at some point in time and in terms of the close proximity to the property lines is there going to be any additional Shrubbery or trees planted to help with kind of the the privacy of uh existing Walkers that would be on the trail the new Trail there along the property lines don't know if that's I'll start out how's that um so that was always there but it wasn't um so unfortunately it wasn't on one of the first uh you know conceptual plans that we we had and we put out but it was it was always discussed because we wanted to use the entire area that's conservation land um so we corrected that and on our conceptual plan that you see tonight you can see that path and as far as trees and shrubs go we do have a tree and shrub plan and we'll be following that extra trees were that were cut down um there may be an opportunity to place those elsewhere but I'm but what I think I'm hearing is that um as everybody that borders this property get a visual barrier from others and I I think that I've been out there as much as Alex and Andrew and Jen and anyone else and I I think for most of you you have an opportunity to um you know not only enjoy this area but create your own visual shading down by the the property line so I think between the two of us between the Town doing what they've already planned to do is part of our plans uh that you can see on the mlet SS and Morgan website you know planting native plants in this area would also help that's that's my answer Alex yeah I'm sure uh Jen can speak to the exact Landscaping plan or if she has the plans but there is quite a robust planting plan on all sides and all uh bordering properties the Wetland piece there I don't know exactly where 20 is will be a little hard to plant but like Chuck said the path was always there it wasn't on the concept but it's in the construction documents that are on the website uh the only change to the path was that we found the area to be quite wet and the soil is to be uh a little clay in that area so in order to make a more accessible path and easier uh constructionwise and less maintenance for the trails committee and conservation we have decided to make it more uh of a stone Pathway to match the rest of the site so that that would be the only change to that path fantastic thank you very much say thank you sure so any other questions uh from anyone who's attending tonight's meeting or out there who's uh viewing this virtually again just use the raise hand functions uh under the reaction the reaction buttons yeah think I would know by now and uh we'll get to you so any other questions I just have one last comment on the construction um the timeline and and all that you'll be seeing a lot of trucks uh entering and exiting the site over the next month or two uh due to the soil conditions on the site the the soil has to go pretty far away uh and the trucks are pretty large that are going to be needing to back into the road um the be point where ustry is going to have to close for 5 minutes and we're working with Austin prep and the safety officers to best accommodate that but you will start to see a lot of soil leaving the site over the next month or two um that's been a significant slowdown for us we can only ship 25 tons of soil a day to Canada where it's going uh actually so the Slowdown really is in getting this last piece of soil that's wet and a little um a little not ideal to say um offsite and that's going to be a significant you're going to see that you see these trucks coming in I think we're going to try to get to two to four ramp up from two to four a day over the next month or two um and once that soil's out of here like Jen said on the timeline we'll start we're going to start planting the end closer to L street soon I think people will see it Greening up with the spring and you it won't look as Barren um very soon I see the trees buing now and um you know it's going to be close with the summer planting on that lower side and which is why we're giving that ultimate opening of fall and with all this stuff the longer we give it to to succeed the better it's going to root and so we're right now we're really targeting that fall date but keep uh keep your ears and eyes open and we'll provide an update in a in a month or two when we have a better idea on how that excavation is going great that looks like that looks like it so I I just want to thank all the abutters to this project and everybody else who uh is is interested in this project for their patience and um their support and that you can always reach out uh there's a contact information on the conservation division page for this project so the mlet SS and Morgan project and you can reach out to myself Alex Andrew and we can manage uh get you an answer to your question I just actually want to call out Mike Randon and the Randon family who's been uh very helpful and many many years years ago I ran into Mike as a as a steward of this property and and he was taking care of the meadow I think if it wasn't from him for him putting this property on the map I never would have known about it and you know maybe we wouldn't be at this point right now so thank you Mike thank you uh Randon family and thank you all uh everyone who is uh a supporter and uh an AB butter to this project so thank you very much Montreal STX and Canada okay and that ends that and we can move on to the next okay thank you very much everyone we're gonna move on to our next project here Alis thank you all for coming our next project is 252 to 262 Main Street continue the public hearing on a notice of intent filed by saviero Phil CTI Blvd reading um pursuant to Massachusetts General Law chapter 131 section 40 the wetlands protection act Andor the reading Wetland protection bylaw section 7.1 the applicant is proposing site improvements including the demolition of three buildings clearing of existing vegetation and constructing one mixed use building other improvements to the site include construction of surface parking landscaping and underground utilities servicing the site portions of the work work are within the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland the application and plans can be viewed during regular regular business hours at the Town Hall conservation office 16 L Street Reading Mass and on the reading conservation division page under the project bye assessors map 11 lot 192 194 196 theep of file number 27- 0779 and do we have somebody here representing this yes we have Colton Quinn and bario um are here but I think Colton's gonna take over Colton can you unmute yourself and share your screen and give us an update on your project I'm looking to see if you can unmute yourself let me try this again try now Carlton yep okay um screen um good evening um commission my name's caran Quinn with Allen and major Associates um representing uh sario fantini um the developer um last hearing um we did run through the plans quickly with you um you hadn't had a chance to review them so I'm sure you have some questions for me tonight I'm happy to run through the plans again if you want me to um just to bring you up to date um on Monday we got a unanimous approval for site play approval special permit and the storm water from the the cpdc um we had a a long meeting um I I'm sure there's some of Butters there um some of the uh items that came up a lot were um the trash um the dumpster um just to go through it I'm sure the abuts will have want some time to speak to this but the dumpster itself um it's a three-sided concrete dumpster with a gate enclosure um it's going to be on a concrete pad um it'll be it'll be it'll have lighting and surveillance on it and it also have a hose bib to clean it off um we really tried to provide the best tra and closure we could because we knew it was an issue because some of the surrounding areas um have dumpsters in some pretty bad repair right now and theuts um with great with with right course um have concerns with the trash and um sario uh is absolutely you know he's going to take care of the property um they're worried about future owners you know we're happy to do what ever we can to try to to to mitigate the issue but um we really can't take the trash inside the building we really do need a dumpster pad um this dumpster pad is located outside the 100 foot buffer barely it's um just outside the 100 foot buffer um the reason for the location of where it is is we try to keep it as far away from the Residential Properties as possible and we also needed to make sure that we had adquate um truck access to to um get to the trash enclosure um another item that uh the board might want to know is that the applicant agreed to provide a $7,500 donation um to improve the pine Bill Conservation Area as a condition of that approval with the site plan um and also I know there were some questions regarding tree removal at the previous hearing um I can bring up our landscape plan just to show you where we're at currently uh this is the this is the the uh original plan that was provided to you um this was a 40 unit building with 77 parking spaces and the the access off of Pineville um with the the amenity area in the rear um and I just want to flip to where it is today um you can see we're keeping the single family house here with a small driveway um it's many more plants and Landscaping and shrubs around the site we have two accesses here and providing you know four five six eight shade trees for the parking lot um the current the current proposal is to remove 44 existing trees we're going to keep nine existing trees and add another 60 trees not including all the shrubs um low plantings and perennials that we'll be adding to the to the site um for a total of 69 trees which is 6 more trees than exist there today um and those were just kind of the major points I wanted to to get out um and just well I'll leave it open to to the board um for any questions anybody have questions anybody on the board that I can't see their hand raised Chuck no one I I don't see anyone raising their hand at this moment on uh online for the board commission Sor is there anybody here from the general public that wanted to speak on this sure can you come up and state your name and stand at the podium my name is Mary Richards I live at 50 Pine bille Al um and I uh read the um third party review um which um your commission had voted at the December 13th meeting um to have conducted um along with an evaluation of the impact on the wildlife habitat um I really appreciate that that step was taken um it's very um informative about the um the life uh in that Wetland Zone um I I don't understand why a project of um of over an acre of land um needs to extend into a buffer I don't know the number of feet I have to say because I haven't inspected the plans but um that's a primary concern of mine uh I know that there is Major um there are major plans to uh develop South Main Street which actually I believe are independent of this project um although I guess you could say this is in South Main Street as well I think the zoning changes at the town and state level that have superseded prior zoning um are kind of the tail wagging the dog so to speak um that is out of your control um I appreciate that however um as we move forward with additional projects the fact that I guess you would call it uh um variance perhaps or that uh concession would be made to allow um extension into um uh protected uh Wetlands uh fact that that might pass with this project I think that's an unfortunate um it would be an unfortunate precedent um on a a particular development that's straddling over under the zoning into um a residential neighborhood and straddling into a budding Wetlands um so those are a few of my main points and I have a couple of comments and questions so one is um that I am more than motivated to start trying to do the research about whether this is a Vernal pool um participating in the uh meetings you've had and seeing the level of detail and complexity with all of the issues that you face with the the proposals that come before you I did not know but I guess I might have guessed that it is up to the public to do the research to have uh veral pools officially um registered with the state that's my understanding um I have learned that there's a nonprofit in peid that is the Vernal Pool Association that is an excellent resource locally um and I had just a short very short um quote that I wanted to share with you from a 199 1988 um kind of uh uh guidelines for the for the public that were put together by TS and um Mass aabon about the importance of maintaining Wildlife corridors and I know at previous meetings um some of our neighbors have commented on the um deer population coyote population in particular that Traverse these Wetlands um on the way to partly to Pine Veil uh conservation land um it's a nice gesture um you know to make a 7,500 donation to uh that parcel to the coner I think it's about 12 acre parcel um at Pine bille um but if we impinge on these um corridors where the animals have been able to go through um it's it's going to isolate them it's going to deplete uh our Our Lives as well as their lives let's put it that way I also uh learned um which you probably know well that march to May is the ideal time to be uh working to identify verb vernal pools so that's something that I have started to to work on I'm just trying to find that quote that I wanted to share with you second thought I had it on the top I considered it important so it's basically the message of it was that the fal pool itself is important the wetlands themselves are important in terms of themselves but as part of the environment that the wildlife is living within and the ecosystem that it's a part of um that's what we're here I believe to help protect and so if there are gu if there are rules um and Provisions at the Town level um to have certain buffers and we say well um okay we don't need to follow that right here um it's probably going to it may maybe already has been happening on Main Street I'm not sure but again with all the development that's being talked about with the need to comply with the mass zoning about um you know low income housing or more housing and so forth this is just like you know the tip of the iceberg in our neighborhood so I appreciate your um your work and your uh permission uh for us to participate thank you thank you Mary for your questions and comments um Bill MCC has his hand up and he may have some answers to your concerns and um so let's see what he has to say yes yes um thank thank you for for sharing those concerns um there may be a a a possible misunderstanding about the the role of the commission um it it's not that we're um not concerned with the offer Zone it's that uh the commission is has to follow the law and and in fact what the state has done with the law and what reading does with its own bylaws is it balances various interests we happen to be looking at a larger development here just want to assure you this commission deals with these issues commissions all over the Commonwealth deal with these issues all the time regarding private homeowners even in terms of well I want to add a deck or a driveway or an addition to my home it happens to be in the buffer zone we cannot treat this applicant any differently why because the state legislature has balanced interest and said here's your charge here are the laws you can work within we have to be very mindful of how little of this property happens to be within our jurisdiction it's not that we don't don't care very much about Wildlife quds vernal pools and so forth but we have to be we have to very carefully look at the facts before us and uh and be mindful of the constraints on our jurisdiction and what we can do and I just want to say that sometimes Town commissions forget that for perhaps the the best of reasons but um they uh that does not end well reading decades ago now I'm happy to say actually had a case go all the way to the appeals court and the appeals court said to the reading Conservation Commission at that time you apparently didn't want this property to be built but you had no basis in either state law or your local bylaws to have stopped this project that's a reality that we always have to hold in mind um so please know we're not discounting your concerns please know that we are here on this Commission because we do care about these values that you spoke of but that in the end we have to follow the law and the balancing of the interests in the way that the state has decided because the state this is important to remember the state has the last word uh when it comes to State Wetlands law and even with our local bylaws that's also a balance of Interest so that's that's what I wanted to say without again discounting any of the very good points you raised thank you and I just want to excuse me point out just because our jurisdiction goes to 100 feet from the Wetland line that does not mean that the um 100 feet from the Wetland line is restricted from being built on because if you look at projects we've been reviewing for years here in town we set the no build Zone at 35 feet from the Wetland line and this is going nowhere near the 35 foot line so 100 feet is our jurisdiction and so this little tiny corner of this property is within 100 feet but um if any if it were any other property and they were only touching that outer 10 or 20 ft of the property um it's nowhere near our 35t limit so you could put a whole house between this project and our 35 foot Mo no build Zone um so you know we do have jurisdiction over that area and we've asked them not to put the dumpster within the 100 feet but you know we can't just say you can't do anything in that 100 feet because it's too close to the Wetland because it's well over 35 feet away um and my understanding is that the um third-party reviewer checked for whether that might be a Vernal pool in the back area there and found that the water would be too shallow and it would not function as a Vernal pool so I think they've already done the research and figured out that it wouldn't be one do you anyway um I believe it said um yeah with regards to the potential for it may be possible breing activity to ur then the relatively shall shallow water Colin the bordering WS um however even if a bural occurs within the vegetative to beos within 100 ft of it and 100 foot is again the the limit of how close you can get to a Vernal pool to do any work so we can't protect stuff that's further away than 100 feet from a Vernal pool so what you just read to me that it says no work is proposed within 100 feet of this area that might possibly have been a Vernal pool we don't know but we're not building within 100 feet of that or the the Builder isn't so again I think that's not something that we as a commission could legislate about because it's too far away this corner of the property is too far away from the Vernal pool for it to be something that we can change what their plan is based on that I think Andy has a question Andy one thank you for coming out and speaking I know that's not easy um so I greatly appreciate and I hear you uh and I I I and feel your concerns as well um I think there is open from my reading of the report that it still could be a Vernal pool they're not doing anything there so I I fully support you trying to follow through and um it seems like it may not be have enough water because we want to see more like a water a foot of depth um to really support strong veral pools but it's possible so uh if that's something and I go for it um and then we've been talking a lot about jurisdiction because that seems to be what you first mentioned and I want to hear what other people from the public say but the project as it is is not um building on in Wetland it's it's quite far from it that is that is what the law regulates um it is a sizable project though so from my point of view we do have our local bylaws that says if it's going to potentially have more likely than an unlikely to alter the area that we're concerned about we can have some kind of expect but we can't stop the project so my question for you is I think what they're taking down they're having a dramatic alteration to all the trees and the soil and everything that's been there in the open space what kind of what would you like to I mean the Project's going to happen it's the density really that's what stands out to me density with what's coming on and I I appreciate that there buildings there now that there have been buildings um that that's open for development of course um but it's a lot against against Wetlands against Residential I understand a special I believe that was the first time that special per was being considered under this uh kind of only um so a new pres that we're establishing I hear you again but thank you I want to hear more people from the public have to say um I think they have also provided a lot of trees and compensation and the potential donation to I'm not sure that pville conservation would be of interest but those are the types of things i' like to hear from the public and given that this is probably going to happen what what can they do to make your lives happier conservation point of views we all have water that Bas now just going to yeah I mean a that's we have literally put that on the cpdc they've done the heavy lifting on that side of things um but yeah I agree yeah and I believe cpdc has the storm water plan and has approved it correct uh I don't know where they're at in their process maybe Colton can update us but I will let you know that you know we also can look at the storm water plan and all the impervious surfaces all that water is being infiltrated the roof the driveway the parking area all that's infiltrated it used to go over the top of the land and go out so the argument about you know unfortunately the Wetland protection act is like infiltrate infiltrate infiltrate that's what we want to do so these guys did that and they did it with their project and that's what they're asked to do and um you know you know I I think the question would be have have somehow through taking that water supply away have we altered the Wetland and that's a good segue into your next question which was the vernal pools so the vernal pools we can't protect we can protect them 100 feet and there may be a way to protect them even further but there was no vernal pools found here and there was no evidence that that was the case so you you know you may find some in Pineville you may find some in this area here but even if we protect that 100 feet that wet area in that's up hin Al is more than 100 feet way the Wetland that creates that dumpster area is coming from like the Coleman building side and and a wetland that's over in that area yeah development OPP coming in yeah absolutely and I and I agree and and about not understanding all these changes that happen through the town and then all of a sudden a project comes in that's kind of like I see what's happening instead of just trying to figure out what they mean by making the small commas in there and the change in there then all of a sudden you know there's more development but that's a that's a cpdc discussion the only other thing that I wanted to mention is that we absolutely could restrict any building within 100 feet if the conditions allow us to so again we have to follow the rules rul our own regulations and the Wetland protection act but if you want to look to section 3 D4 it does say that the zone of natural vegetation can be extended under certain conditions depending on special site conditions now obviously that's not just normal conditions there has to be something that's different in that area typically that might be a Vernal pool or or you know something else that's truly unique um but I just didn't want anyone here anyone who's thinking of presenting a project to say that oh yeah 35 foot we're good we can always present something up to that area and it'll always pass it's not all it's not the case but it is typical of what ends up happening here in reddish that makes sense okay yeah one of the special conditions that I heard about at Mac training has to do with the steepness of the slope if you've got a steeper slope you might want to go further away than 35 fet um because of um the runoff and water conditions and things like that um yeah so are there any other people on Zoom who had anything they wanted to say members of the committee or members of the public if you are trying to get in on Zoom you want to use the reaction button at the bottom and then the raise hand function and anybody else in the room who has comments on this project okay Chuck did you have any more comments I don't um I think if there's no comments from the commission we could we could ask for motion to close and then maybe discuss conditions if we're at that and just before we move to that um the $7,500 donation is it what is that going towards is there a particular I want to hear more about that so uh so it's through the cpdc and I think it's specific to Pinevale Conservation Area uh Colton could you give us a little more information about that if if you have any um the the only thing I have is that it is earmarked for Pineville conservation and um they did specifically note that in the meeting that it was going to be used at that area I don't know what specifically it might have been the entrance I know they had spoken about I know the entrance is a bit of disrepair so my hope is it's it's good for all conservation purposes but again it's a donation through this developer and he might want certain things so there there are some so so I have like plans and whatnot for the entrance and but it's not as awesome as people think it's I wanted to put a handicap pocket spot there and I would need to have a retaining wall built I have to expand it by about half a car and then I could still fit the same amount of cars I can get there now and a dedicated handicap parking spot and then obviously the trails would have to be worked on in that area also right but that may not happen since that's went through cpdc no my understanding is that the Conservation Commission would uh um have control uh some part of control over that money and projects can be discussed so it needs to be finalized but that was my understand I don't think cpdc is going to be going to conservation land and saying we want you to do this I think it has to either be a combined discussion or it's all conservation but if there's a particular project I'd like to make sure there's that funding but it sounds like it's not or it's through cpdc but no I think it will be in our control yeah so I'd like to make sure um guys I'm sorry I don't mean to interrupt I don't know how to raise my hand on this thing I apologize Chuck this is sario the uh the developer I don't know if I can shed a little bit light on this but the way the decision's written it's pretty generic it does say that it's it's towards the Pineville Trails but if it's something that Andrew can administratively approve or or modify I'm open to however conservation best feels that they want to use the the proceeds I mean we're generally just looking to to help support your efforts and however that that plays out is completely up to you guys you guys know better where you need the money than I do so sure yeah I I could talk to Andrew and and I think what I'm hearing from um Andy dribbon is that uh outside of um anything that may be outside of U the the pine veale Conservation Area although there's there is a lot of need in the conservation area so that might be a discussion later on Chuck I did put the condition up on the um the board there so it is written that it's at your discretion to be spent okay Andrew can we add it discuss of um Andrew and you and the conservation administrator or do we want to keep it as the decision is actually unfortunately already filed um it's already been been stamped and all that good stuff so we can't we can't amend it because this is the one that's actually been voted on but um since it does say at the discretion of community development director I believe that Andrew will have some discretion over it and if you'd like um maybe Chuck and I offline we can email Andrew and try to have a conversation with him about maybe what our options are and how we can how we can best navigate the language there so now now now you know why I don't know too much yeah all right fair enough I think that's a nice I know thean may not see the value of that now but I think that's a nice contribution my only other question is um since it's out of our side that cpdc is handlings well thank you openly to cpdc for doing all the heavy lifting um but I took a look at the landscape plan and I appreciate that as well but do they have the same kind of three expectation that they'll look at it in three years to see the survivability of the plants So within our jurisdiction we can certainly do that outside of our jurisdiction I don't know what the cpdc decision says is that already part of the sorry can I can I jump back in again just to help you with the decision file the way that the decision files written there is actually some specific language that pertains to the viability of um plantings and we are responsible for maintaining them and replanting and all that fun stuff I mean Carlton can probably speak better to that kind of stuff but it is covered in there in perpetuity that's better than about as good as it gets we like if we put a permit since it's out of our jurisdiction our usual three-year survivability of the plantings is that something that we could even consider in perpetuity no no just the three that's just maintain like plan about juristic and we can't do that so but we do have those native plants and we don't even know if they're planting native outside of our jurisdiction but they are all Native within our are yeah we we agreed you are sorry yeah we did we did yeah yeah once you asked for it within that buffer we we made the switch to everything native and we agreed to that absolutely we're happy to do that seems to me that we've already walked over into talking about itions so perhaps close it and then continue any conversations contribute so before you close it we have someone uh it's just a call it says iPhone so if you can uh unmute yourself and ask your your question just state your name and address for the record um hi my name is Alicia I live at 11 in Pine Bale um sorry that I'm on my iPhone it was just the only way to kind of get connection I just wanted to thank the commission for their hard work on this I wanted to uh thank all the property owners for their contribution to the community and the discussion I just wanted to ask one question about notice with respect to how the Pineville conservation money will be used I'm grateful that there's a donation there however there a new sign already went up and I think that was just probably by the nature of the old sign was from I think 77 so there's already a new sign there so I'm not sure if the developers had paid for that new sign and if there's going to be literally more parking put in that section I was just wondering if notice could be given to the abuts for that because we already have some parking issues on our street thanks sh can you give us your last name also please um Sorry Miss more uh will thank you Chuck do you want to answer her question yeah is Alicia about Alicia Willis about the sign that just went up sure so Alicia the uh Conservation Commission paid for that sign oh thank you not control of the $7,500 so I don't know what that will be used on and as far as giving notice I guess that that's how it's not typical for the Conservation Commission to manage their property that way but in this case uh you know being um you know part of uh you know this high level discussion and and this this permit I guess if we were going to actually put in a um additional handicap parking spot uh with the parking spots that are remaining there to to stay and not to increase I think that that we would uh you know it's really up to the chair but I'm thinking that uh chair Moore would would say yes alert the neighborhood yeah there's a drive sorry M Moore go ahead I was just thinking if there's going to be construction going on to build the retaining wall it would be good to let the butters know that that's going to be happening yeah I I don't know if I would call it Construction uh but it is an increase I mean it's not I think there's probably a you know six inch to 18 inch area that needs to be filled for about four feet and then some landcape Timber kind of holding it in place um okay but if that's if that's uh yeah we will when we get to that point we will uh you know notify people okay thank you access to uh to Trails is is important oh 100% And I I'm I think that it's a great idea about the handicap spot and to be honest I'm embarrassed that I had never really thought of it it's such flat land there and hadn't really crossed my mind that it would make sense to have a designated spot for a handicap person so I think that that's an excellent idea um there's just a double driveway right to the left of that and then there's a utility pole like to the right of it I'm just being cautious about sort of the area so thank you thank you Alisha out there okay uh so me see see no one else okay in that case this Brian I make a motion to close the hearing on 252 to 262 Main Street so Brian made a motion to close do we have a second Tony I second that okay seconded by Tony um Walter can you start the voting Walter Talbots in favor of the motion um this bill MCC and I'm stating for the Mullen rule that uh I did review the entire video of the previous meeting so that I can vote on this motion and I also vote in favor lo I vote in favor andw in favor rbo in favor Martha Moore in favor that's six to zero in favor the hearing is now closed what conditions did we want to make sure we included so that you know you have an option now if you want to just talk about the conditions or would you want to just close and then continue to the next meeting and then write them at that point and then come up with some conditions in between the two meetings so two options either have your conditions now you think you have them all I think what I would do is ask Andre Andrew dbon major director uh Andrew McNichol what uh what's happening with the money because that might be part of some conditions and so if I if I had that opportunity to have that conversation with them I could I could let you know and you could come up with some conditions about you know where the money might be spent or something that's the I could think of to kind of delay where we're at I'm I'm in favor of you talking to Andrew to try to options yeah um so so we would we would need to get Carlton's agreement to no we don't because we've already closed good point all right and I know some of the conditions we've already talked about like the wildlife friendly lighting and stuff like that so have you got those conditions are already down and so the really the only condition we're thinking about is the how is the $7,500 spent I have them down but it would be best to just say them all out and I know that cbdc also not only did they add it to their decision they thought that was a great little ad to and I think they'll see you will see a lot more of that from them in the future so no I would I would say if we're going to continue this in next meeting just come your conditions at that point make sure we have them all instead of thinking that I have some okay so we'll we'll continue to the next meeting in order to get our conditions right at the next meeting do we have to vote on continuing chck SS we don't need to vote because we've already closed yeah so we'll just write the order of you might want to make sure that everyone agrees I mean that's why I'm looking around and getting nods so everybody on the commission make sure you've got your um condition list with you when we come to our next meeting and we'll try and make that quick and and efficient to get those in the in the books right okay so just before U one more thing if you don't mind sorry do you mind reviewing the conditions of the cpdc also because a lot of your conditions are going to be in there also and just make sure they're they don't uh conflict with each other good idea thank you Chuck is that something you can send out to us yeah okay okay right think Jack's on thank you phone jack Sullivan is right here in person hey did you I saw that you keep calling in oh was that your phone that kept ringing yeah I called the state police on you but I guess you got away with it yeah somebody was giving a presentation about mlet SS Morgan and up in the corner this phone kept showing up a weak signal I'm just gonna drive okay well thank you for coming are you 71 lla Lane okay I will read about it 71 Lyla Lane continue the public hearing on a notice of intent filed by Paris and Pamela daskalakis pursuant to Massachusetts General Law chapter 131 section 40 the wetlands protection act Andor the reading Wetland protection bylaw section 7.1 the applicant is proposing construction of a 11t x 30ft addition and a 6x1 ft Portico small p expansion and new front walkway within the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland the application and plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the Town Hall conservation office 16 L Street Reading Mass 01867 and on the conservation division page under the project bye assessor map 55 lot 18 theep file number 270-780-5441 members uh for the record Jack suvin owner of the suvin Engineering Group uh when I last met with you there were um a few items the commission want me to look at a few few changes to the plan I'll go through the summary of the changes I made um you if you remember there was a fire pit that was located within the 25 foot upper Zone behind the U rear of the house that actually encroached onto the abing property that's going to be removed entirely the owner did not want to relocate it they don't use it that often they're just going to remove it um as I talked about the last meeting um I wanted to show a proposed material stockpile area which I would set be to the right of the driveway so I've graphically depicted that on the plan um the commission felt there was the ability to generate some plantings within the 25 foot buffer um just off of the proposed ition area so I did show um three different species of plantings um to be planted within the 25 foot Zone um Chuck do you can you pan down can't remember what I planted okay so I'm showing three dogwoods three Arrowwood by burnum and three spice bush to be planted within the 25t buffer zone um to the rear of the existing house there was a roof drain um that goes into the ground I could see the pipe I couldn't find an outlet to the pipe the homeowner had no knowledge if there was some sort of dryw or some sort of drainage structure for this but I I walked out into the woods I couldn't see any sort of outlet from it um it does look to me that they'd be able to build the patio um with that pipe in place they can they can be careful and construct the pipe so I don't I don't see an impact to that pipe but I I don't have any additional information where that pipe goes or what's going on with it um I did talk to the homeowners those lawn mowers in the the um some of the yard waste that's on the abing property with this uh the ninja training area the ropes that we talked about they're removing that Al together the the kids have outgrown that so that'll be removed and I did talk to the owner about the invasion species management that one member had said uh there might be an opportunity to do something like that uh based on the other mitigation with the drip trench the plantings um and everything else um it really wasn't something that they want to get into with the invasive species removal um that highlights the changes we did as Chuck said I think we received a DP file number uh we didn't have that at the last meeting so I'll open it up to any questions see if we can close this [Music] out okay anybody on the commission with questions for Jack thank you for all the updates and um these are make project much easier my only thought I didn't notice so the exist or the proposed patio is like right on the 35 Qui right on right on it yeah and then we're gonna have lawn that's G be seated uh just adjacent that between the 35 and the 25 and then we'll have the the the new plantings yeah well I appreciate the new plantings I do think that's a nice change yeah and that's why we checked carefully the 3A and 4A Flags when we were there because if those flags were not accurate then the 35 foot line wouldn't be accurate but we felt like they had mapped them appropriately yeah okay I don't have any suggested shes but it always makes me uncomfortable when we get that close to mid35 but you've got some nice changes to address that and is that patio perious impervious what's the story on that it's be pavers um means in between the pavers water can get through or is it going to be stone dust solid no there'll be there'll be uh gaps so water can get through I I didn't I didn't designate it as a pervious patio paper um if that's something the commission thinks we should do we could the existing patio is not so they were just gonna they're just going to be paper Stones it's really you you know it's how you build the base material mhm right let water go through I didn't call it out that way on this so you're expecting the water will sheet off to the edge rather than soaking it I think so okay does that concern people or are we okay with that a big fan of pervious pus to be honest but I think in this situation I not do you think pervious would be the way to go right on the edge there so it's not so it's taking some of that water flow in the patio itself um is that something you TP TP typically with with a patio like this extension it's about 5 feet wide by 11 feet long so it's really with just a little over 50 square feet of additional patio if it was a larger patio I I'd say let's do something pervious where it's an extension of an existing C patio and it's only about 50 square feet it's I I feel it's pretty small I agree that's why I'm in favor of being oh then I agree with you because yeah it gets really expensive when you do a really big area of perious favers but since we're dealing with a small area I don't think the be traumatic and I do think preventing that runoff on the edge it's just going to get soggy and you're going to have uh not most you know Pleasant lawn right there but if we can get some of that moisture even though it's small yeah I think it'll creat a slightly better buffer um The Patio that's just mine I don't have a problem if if we want to designate it as a to be pervious we we can have it constructed that way and it doesn't look from your plan like you're changing the grading of the hill on the side where the crushed stone drip trench is the Hill's just going to be the same slope correct and um is it likely to be all dug up during construction and have to be all Reed on that slope I guess is yes okay and so we'll want to be really careful with the erosion control and make making sure the erosion control is well maintained during the project because it's so Steep and so close to the I was to say that that's steep so what ideas you have for stabilizing it until something grows in yeah I just if if there's going to be work equipment out there even when they're framing this and they're setting up you know ladders and everything else there'll be so they're going to have to relo and receip it but it is a steep slope so we'll be mindful of the erosion barrier it's not just the barrier which catches things at the bottom it's preventing it in the first place as much as you can from suting down right you some type of a matting something matting yeah I wasn't going to design it but something yeah yeah okay and um Walter talet has his hand up yeah going going back to the uh patio extension as a happy homeowner I'm worried about the Aesthetics however as a commissioner I'm worried about the drainage because isn't that the exact same place where we don't know where the the drain pipe drainage is going so if there's some way to match up the the pattern the color whatever that'd be great but I think drain well you yeah there you go we lost your point you you you need to say that again Walter oh uh well I think the first step would be again a Aesthetics does the extension look like the existing patio obviously it's newer it won't look exactly like it but considering the fact that that was where we had a drain pipe going to an unknown destination I'd be worried about the drainage so maybe it should be the uh permeable papers okay so you're voting permeable for that one yes okay and does Bill MC have his hand up or was it just Walter it's Walter okay um all right anybody else on the commission with comments or concerns um before we move on okay I would have liked to see them deal with the Buckthorn but I am very glad to have the um the plantings in the 25 foot Zone and the fire pit out of the 25 45 foot Zone and the uh the ninja ropes taken off the tree so I appreciate all those changes thank you y um anybody else any members of the public online or in person if you're online you go to the reactions function at the bottom of your screen and use the raised hand feature and anybody in the room with any questions or comments okay nobody online no okay um can I have a motion Chuck did you have anything to say I don't okay so what are we going to do about this it's a notice of intent so we would need a motion to close anybody Brian make a motion to close the hearing on 7 71 L this is Tony I will second that motion to close Walter tpit in favor f m in favor W lockas in favor Andrew D in favor B in favor Marth Moore in favor so Brian moved to close Tony seconded 60 in favor all right do we have some conditions we want to list I have one and I'm not sure how to phrase it so you said that the lawnmowers and the yard waste are on the next property I would the up at 77 so assuming we did something with that property if in fact it turned out there was some much of it that's actually on this property I would want to condition that if that were discovered that would be cleaned up by this property owner that's fair okay so the assumption is that they're accurate and it's next door y but in case it's not real clear where the line is I just like to have that on the right record yeah it's good to have it that that's a fair statement thanks and maybe this homeowner could ask their neighbors to something with those lawnmowers that's what I'm gonna ask to to try to get it done without having to involve Chuck in and and inforcement Order yeah he loves writing letters and I don't know if you guys are going to have a construction dumpster on site and whether lawn mowers are allowed to go in construction dumpsters but you know if that's the problem that they don't know what to do with those lawnmowers perhaps There's an opportunity there okay thank you all right anything else we assume that the things we've already mentioned are in the conditions yes I mentioned the Buckthorn what the homeowner has declined to try to deal with the Buckthorn I missed that yeah um yeah they that was more than they were willing to take on so they're planting fair amount or we need to explicitly say how long we wanted to survive good point yeah so we um so I have uh this is the toughest one word Smith this in the in the order if the trash belongs to the property something to that effect yeah some of that effect okay plant as the plants installed as per plant and I would recommend and I don't you can tell me there's no trees um 80% shrubs survival after after three years there's not that many you might you could say a 100 yeah and 100 cent for any trees I think the dog Woods are trees so there are some trees there do you want 80% for the shrubs after three years or 100% see our last one was in perpetuity yeah that was maintenance was enough um I don't know how to do the math but five out of six trees would be approxim five out of six shrubs would be Approximately 80% um I'm I'm willing to see that five out of six shrubs survive that works for me and three and nin line removed Walter wants how many Walters up there three Three Trees 83% ah D just uh okay he's doing the math for me quickly so close enough to M he's muted so we can't hear what he's telling us I hate to sound like a nerd late say 80% okay so our five out of six Approximately 80% yes that's 83 83 I know it's 83 so 80 is close enough okay okay so a third of the one of the bushes uh okay yeah that's it yeah and and perable permeable permeable what are we doing on that is that a condition I agree with guess the other those favors are perable yeah that works for me that works for me great and then um I would like to have a condition of um stabilizing the slope um if there are heavy rains forecast so yeah St stabilizing the slope anyway in particular if there's going to be heavy rain right but yeah that's a pretty steep slope right so I'm I'm thinking you know if there's a nor Easter predicted bring in some big tarps or something to to not have all your soil ended up in the swamp on top of the lawnmowers some towns will put in if there's a one inch rain of for forecasted event or greater that they they should put some extra stabilization in well I trust you I know you you've worked with us a lot I think you'll know when all your soil's going to end up in the swamp and you'll do something about it ahead of time I'm just looking at we have the proposed stock file to the right of the driveway and we're worried about slope on the left side of the addition the stockpile is materials not but are they going to want to go around there's a hill there too so they're going to be going around the front of the house correct on on that sloped area that we're concerned about right that's how I show the access route to go on the on the front yard and Jack's right that's why he said it's going to get chewed up it's going to get chewed up right but you're only chewing up that side not chewing up the side it's the shortest yeah and we're yeah should we can we have a condition to fence off or something so that they don't because they're going to be damn tempted to go down that hill and just go up behind the house on the right side um I know I would be um no aess on the right side of the house F construction fence I don't know if they need a fence maybe after you review that on the site i' definitely have it say no access from the right side of the house okay and and do we need a timeline for when they clean up the fire pit and reced that just by the end of the project it's a notice of intent you can watch that when you get your certificate of compliance request okay all right um I was gonna again talk about one that may be hard to phrase but we've talked about the down spout and not knowing where it goes you said that you believe that they can be careful and not damage it is it worth having an explicit condition to make sure they focus on on that they take extra care not to damage it reason being we don't know where it goes and if it gets cracked broken or something like that you're going to have water coming out somewhere underneath without knowing what the down pipe effect is so it seems like drawing attention to it by having an exposit condition might be useful I don't know if I'm over with thinking that feel free to call me names I think we've had a lot of discussion on it so to put it in the order is fine I'll point it out to the contractor as well um but then it's it's at least it's in writing yeah and maybe that makes it better I don't know okay that works then if the contractor does break it they've been warned they've been warned they own it so protect pipe under new perious p patio okay okay okay anything else yeah and Brian did you want to specify a more aggressive erosion control on on the slope you want to specify or some type ofing arur talked about having some stabilization mechanism and it's up to them to have one that is appropriate is enough again there's a steep slope they are going to chew it up has been rainy so I I think you have that in there right some stabilization or the slope I wrote down what Jack said H stabilize the slope you know the one inch rain vent or greater okay okay you good with that all right all righty okay so we have closed we've discussed conditions we have one thing left so this is Brian I'll make a motion to issue a negative determination no it's a notice of intent I'm sorrya so to issue for so1 this is any second Walter talins in favor of the motion b m in favor Tony water lock favor Andrew dri in favor Brian B in favor Martha Moore in favor moved by Brian Bo seconded by Andrew drion and 60 in favor okay thanks thank you very much do you have any other hearings tonight I do okay we'll see you in a few minutes okay 44 chiquet is the next one and is Jesse burn bomb here hi I'm here uh Aiden schlotman I'm with stsk McNary I'm the representative for Jesse bur Bal okay so one second read the blur yep I'll read the blur um thank you for coming Aiden um continue the public hearing on a notice of intent filed by Jesse burn bomb pursuant to Massachusetts General Law chapter 131 section 40 the wetlands protection act Andor the reading Wetland protection bylaw section 7.1 the applicant is proposing Construction of a pool and fence within the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland the application and plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the Town Hall conservation office 16 LEL Street writing mask and on the conservation division page under the project by year assessor map 28 lot 131 DP file number 270-780-5441 I will show everyone the changes we've made since last meeting uh just to recap this project is for the proposed pool rather small pool that's going to be off the existing patio there in W area with minor regrading needed and then a fence to uh encapsulate the backyard there um at the previous meeting there was just a couple comments that uh were addressed uh first of all um there was concern that there was a native tree within the Wetland back there that um you guys wanted removed so we're now proposing to remove that native sorry invasive tree thank you um and um secondly um with the construction entrance being on the left side we did add uh construction entrance which uh ensures that no um trackout will happen during construction that'll into the road or anything like that and then additionally with it being on the left side there since we are keeping these two trees here um we're proposing a construction mat to help protect those roots that are buried there and to protect those trees and make sure those aren't injured at all and then lastly um sorry not really lastly but um there was concern that there was some cinder blocks and um plastic bricks that were inside um the 25 foot so um we did add note number two it said States all inorganic material within the 25 foot natural vegetation zone is to be removed prior to any planting that occurs uh and then lastly there is concern about winterization of the pool uh we have added a pool drain Basin which is is essentially um kind of a a crust Stone uh pit that if any water does need to get pumped from the pool they'll get drained directly into this Crush pit which will allow it to um filter a little bit and then really go right into the ground rather than running off and getting towards the W at all those were the the main issues at the last meeting and the main change for this new project here and I'm happy to hear if there's any comments from you I believe that invasive tree was the one that Brian and I identified as a Buckthorn European Buckthorn European Buckthorn if there's any question which tree it is please um ask Chuck or one of us to come Mark it so that additional identifier was it actually had a blue uh Wetland flag on one of the branches should help right but nonetheless if if there's any question of what tree we're asking to be removed please have one of us come point it out so that we're not removing a native tree and leaving an invasive by mistake sure absolutely great thank you um all right anybody else have any other questions or things that we wanted that you haven't seen I do have a question about the winterization process and if you could specify a little more information on on decorin um so these pools are pretty small um so I I I personally I'm not 100% sure but um I think I'm I don't own a pool myself so I'm not 100% sure but I believe they just uh decorizer and then um I believe it sits in the pool but we want to make sure that if anything does need to get pumped uh it will get pumped right into that um drain Basin there to make sure that it's not just running off it's filtering with the uh crushed stone that's in that in that uh pit and then um going into the ground I don't know that the crush Stone would the Florine I don't know a lot about in my experience by the time you um are ready to close your pool in the winter if you want to draw the water down at all the chlorine is pretty much gone you know the the chlorine doesn't stay in the pool for very long you have to keep adding more chlorine all summer so it I'm not all that worried um you know it it's it's not like you're taking freshly chlorinated pool water and dumping it out on the ground you're taking water you haven't swam in and you haven't been chlorinating and you're dumping that water out does that make sense well um there's guidance from d and I'm trying to look for it uh right now but I know that you're not supposed to add Chlor chlorine three days prior to draining it so that's one of right and you may you know Pool owners may just not do that after it gets too cold and they don't feel like draining it down some of these cartrid systems they don't need to be drained down I mean it's not really in Saltwater Systems don't need that either um you could also test the chlorine level in your pool and if it's testing above zero don't drain it until the chlorine level drops um would would you want to have them just test before they draw off any water uh well it appears yeah Chuck it I you said you you found D guidance I I found some some DCR guidance they they have certain recommendations make sure that pH levels are between 6.5 and 8.5 is a natural range um you don't want to discharge water that has a lot of algae or black film collect it put it down the toilet these are some of the management practices that that DCR recommends we're happy to do um whatever you guys are more comfortable with kind of reading this on the Fly here maybe we could just um follow appropriate guidelines for for removing the water and we don't have to tell them all the exact details of what they need to do well we we did ask for winterization okay so remember we asked for was expecting something a little more than just revision to a drawing I thought there would be something a little more substantial well it's not just a revision to a drawing it's actually putting in that stone drain pit right so he's that'll that'll help with with the water infiltration but it doesn't necessarily address the chemicals that are that are in that water and chorine is designed to to kill things I don't know if we want to start introducing that into the groundwater or shallow okay so in that case why don't we specify that they should follow the DCR guidelines or the D guidelines for um pool winterization and then we don't have to micromanage it for them would you be happy with that yeah yeah as long as there's a written protocol that we can reference day so why don't we put the onus on the uh applicant to find those guidelines and uh incorporate them into operation maintenance plan yeah and then send it to me and then you'll you know you may close tonight you may issue tonight but then when I receive that I can I can actually send them the permit doeses that work for you that's fine all right and we've seen guidelines you said was Department of Conservation and Recreation yes it has guidelines so that's a Aiden place to he has some too so if you're gonna probably find more than you need but the pool contractor has knowledge about yeah same so Aiden does that make sense to you yeah yeah absolutely okay so either D or DCR would be a place to get those guidelines you'll submit them to Chuck as an operation and maintenance plan for the homeowners sure okay all right we covered that what else do we need to cover Andy so behind the fence um we have some plantings further closer to the wetlands but what is the plan the use of that land that's the noted as the 25 foot natural Zone what do you expect going to happen to that land there uh well uh I think now that the fence is there I I don't think there's really a um a need to quite go back there and it's going to make obviously very difficult I think it's lawn now but now that there's a fence there um I I'd assume that it's either going to remain as the existing conditions or it's just going to stop being mowed because there's a fence in the way and it's just going to be too difficult to mow that so um either or I would like to see that as a no mo Zone surprised um we were extending the vegetation further from the Wetland line we don't always ask for the full 25 feet PL further but we should it has been mowed but that is a Zone we would like to see not mowed I'm concerned if it's a noo Zone that will become all Buckthorn so it might be something where they might want to go in with a weed whacker once a year so that they're not letting it be be taken over by invasives I I would be very concerned that if you just say no mo and it just gets left to its own devices it will be a lovely patch of invasiv I hear you but I don't want to have them do more plantings right I don't want to design it are we happy with it as it is planned as it is drawn then that can be a condition if we wanted that they would we' recre it once a year it do it doesn't affect the Clos and approval it's just maybe a condition yeah I I would like to see the condition if if you want to know Moone I'd like the condition to include um keep an eye on and uh feat back the invasives if they start to come in my higher I want that to become a true natural Zone whether that means no mozone replanting I don't I don't really have atice but Aiden uh is is there going to be a gate in the fence down towards the back um I don't believe so but there there may be um is it not a gate how would anybody get out there to do mowing weed whacking or anything yeah they would they'd have to go kind of around the side here but there's obviously the tree line um so getting a lawnmower in there might be uh more difficult than it's worth yeah hopefully yeah so it it might make sense to have a gate even though when you put a gate then it's really tempting to put all your lawn clippings back there so you know I'm not encouraging dumping your yard waste back there now that you've got a fence but I think in order to be able to get back there and do some maintenance as needed it makes sense to have a fence gate re yeah okay probably beat that one enough right um maybe you can talk to Jesse and come up with a an answer that works for him sure um I I I think probably just not mowing it is probably the the easiest option and um obviously if you want it weed whacked once a year I I think that's it's not unreasonable um we'd be happy to do that Jack do you have a thought on this question uh no I don't it sounds like they're just not weren't going to bother with that property back there did have some concerns about what they were planting now they would access those and ensure that they were going to survive I mean Aiden sometimes you have to make sure that the grass is in whatnot just don't get entangled with the base of the of the new plants because it sometimes strangles them out but outside of that um yeah if they didn't mow back there that that would be great okay so we ready to close do Bryant make a motion to close the hearing on 44 CH we have a second this is Tony I will second that motion to close Walter and talins in favor of the motion Bill MC in favor in FA Andrew D yes in favor R in favor Martha Moore in favor 6 z z okay we're giving Chuck a lot of work thinking that it's only two so far uh so we have uh you know you're going to make up an OP R Maintenance guide based on the DCR pool swimming pool and surface water quality on that document I think that's what I was referring to but I called it uh D so that's easy to find and then your list of um additions the Bas tree will remove the um material in the zone of natural vegetation pool during Basin all those would be incorporated into into the uh order of conditions including the construction mat for protecting the trees yeah okay and the gravel construction entrance at the left is on the plan yeah yeah okay all right ready for a motion I think we're ready for a motion this is Brian I make a motion to issue for 44 this is Tony second Walter tets in favor Bill m in favor lockas in favor in favor bro in favor Martha Moore in favor 600 in favor of issuing moved by Brian seconded by Tony okay thank you Jesse thank you everyone yeah no that was Aiden thank you Aiden okay messing up okay all right we are now moving on to zero Forest Street and is that what you guys are here for yeah okay Jack you're the person on this one yeah right let me get started reading here open the public hearing on a notice of intent filed by Thomas Walsh Trinity Home Builders LLC pursuant to Massachusetts General Law chapter 131 section 40 Wetlands protection act Andor the reading Wetland protection bylaw section 7.1 the applicant is proposing construction of a new single family home paved driveway Hardscape Landscaping deck and site grading within the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland the application and plans can be viewed during regular business hours at the Town Hall conservation office 16 LEL Street Reading Mass and on the conservation division page under the project bye assessors map 33 lot 92 do we have a d file number and I looked this afternoon I didn't no D file number yet okay Jack do you want to present the project to us please sure uh for the record Jack Sullivan owner of the Sullivan Engineering Group and I'm here with the um the buyer of the property Tom Walsh Tom WS okay um so this property um it was it was part of the YMCA property they subdivided off this lot that will uh we're looking to construct a single family house on the lot's entirely wooded uh back when y the YMCA looked to subdivide the lot they had um the wetlands flag Norse environmental did um the Wetland delineation so we have some offsite bordering vegetated Wetlands the 100 foot buffer extends onto this property there's also an offsite certified Vernal pool um the 100 foot U buffer zone from the Vernal pool does not encroach onto this property um I did do a detailed site survey for the property I located all the trees uh six Ines are greater within the 100 foot bvw buffer zone and what the applicant's looking to do is construct a single family home it'd be a paved driveway um in the area where the pave driveway is going to go I'm since since it's an undeveloped property we're showing a temporary crushed St construction entrance um that and we're also looking there's a catch Basin out in front of farest Street we're looking to put a silt sack in that catch Basin uh for protection um we do show a proposed soil stock pile area out to to the front front of the site as well um we're removing eight trees within the 100 foot buffer zone and we're looking to replant eight new trees to two and a half to three inch caliper trees they'll be native trees um at the limit of work line there'll be a 12 inch diameter mulch sock placed and we're looking to capture the entire roof area of the proposed structure and put it into a dryw to to the rear of the site is that where it says Rd on lines those are roof drain going to that dryw correct okay so there's roof drains in in the front there's roof drains in the back and going to that dryw um you can see the limited work line so on on as we're looking at this plan on the left side of the property there's a bit slope there that we're looking to protect most of that slope and this site has some um varying topography what we try to do is um the the proposed house will have a walk out basement so we're trying to limit the amount of fill we have to bring into to the rear of the house um it's going to have a garage under um so that works with the site grades for this as well so the driveway will slope downwards everything slopes down so uh the the only thing that's draining out towards farest Street I do show some grading from like the front door of the house that would would move out but the driveway slopes away from farest Street everything will go back same with the backyard everything will go back um we are showing a proposed landscape wall right at the rear property line um that them somewh a level backyard also um that walls it's entirely well it is within the 35 foot no structure Zone but it's outside the 25 foot no structure zone so I thought that wall not not only is it a landscape feature but it's a good um visual barrier um to to protect the 25 foot BBW as well as we St I did look right before the meeting D has not issued a file number for this yet so I think at this time I'll turn it over to the commission and any questions you might have I'm not sure if you've been able to do a site walk or not most of us have does anybody who was out on the site want to talk it looks like Walter has his hand raised so can we start with Walter yeah hi Jack uh as usual good presentation couple questions um it was a little bit confusing during the sidewalk because the notation that we have for the ret wet land lines are numbered differently from what we see on this diagram and then the other question I had was was the dashed line here showing the retaining wall you have the line continuing both left and right is that where those concrete markers were at the ex extremes of the line because it looks like there was new concrete markers put in the ground oh when um the previous surve for the ym CA they put in those concrete bounds um the idea is to to I should have said this too to to the rear of this lot uh when the YMCA subdivided this they put in a Conservation Area um in easeman and as part of that it turns out that the rear of this lot with where those bounds are that's also the limit of this lot is also the limit of the conservation easement to the rear so that was bounded as part of that um creation of that easement access I was having seen those concrete markers I wasn't sure if I drew a line between them does that align with your dotted line showing the retaining wall yes okay and then the retaining wall doesn't Encompass the entire shall we say Channel um I'm worried about drainage after construction not during construction right so I tried to show some proposed grading so um I show the top of that wall at elevation 109 at the at the rear of the property the garage floor is at elevation 110 and the walk out basement's at 110 so um from the garage to that retaining wall there's about there's 26 feet so there'll be a one foot pitch to the rear of the lot over 26 feet which you know it's like a 4% slope it's it's not not that Steep and it'll all be grass so um and any of the roof runoff as we talked about will be collected and brought to that dryw so um we're really limiting the amount of runoff that will be coming off that rear yard and Walter you keep talking about the dashed line as being the retaining wall but that's actually I believe the um the mulch sock mulch sock and the bunch ovals is the retaining wall yeah the retaining wall is the ovals beneath the dash line I yes I got it good okay and and then obviously we're there during the wet season after a lot of rain but it seems as if oh yeah if you could there we go it seems as though if we look at uh marker 61 there um I have to believe that it's like a spring that originates perhaps when the water table is higher and in the in the spring what have you because we saw flow from there on down to the Vernal pool and I'm just concerned again that if we don't trap drainage above all this it's going to go down further to the veral pole this is just a perfect funnel or Channel I should say for water to run and uh Al I'm a little concerned just the opposite that if they build this will they be disrupting the flow to that spring and reducing the water flow into the Vernal pool interesting okay we take a step back we never really described our site visit that's true we haven't got there yet yeah um all right so Walter did you have any other comments you heard you got from the site visit before we get into the details of the construction um well as long as we can replace in in in theory a lot of the trees that are being removed I'm happy okay um Andrew do you want to talk about what you saw at the site visit yeah I mean like Jack said walking along or traveling on Forest Street consisting wood area uh there's a a large drop from the street um that goes down to uh well this uh this Wetland area that is delineated with some Flags um which seems like it's pretty far from for street from the delineation but there's the large topography all seems like it's part of the same thing and then once you get to the delineation there is standing water there that has some movement that seems to be moving down flow um and uh we also noted that we were there's an older map that showed there was a Vernal pool closer to Forest streets and looking at you definitely see you're walking downhill um and the lands may have supported that at one point in time where the map was inaccurate but there was no standing water that would suggest there's a Vernal pool anywhere closer to what is suggested on the map but we did walk down close to um the middle school there's a stream at that point where the the Vernal pool is and the biggest thing we noted is the flag numbers were not aligning with what we saw on the map which made a little challenging but they did seem to align like where they are supposed to be just the members AR so as kind of an administrative thing but um yeah heavily wooded definitely a downflow of the landscape and yeah anybody else comments from your site visits I have questions I comments from the site visit okay um I agree that I found it very frustrating that the flags on your plot plan do not match the flags out in real life including it looked to me like 60 6162 there were three flags around the top of that Wetland and it looked to me like they were 15a 14a 13A and 12a so there were actually Four Flags where you've only marked three so um I yeah I that frustrating sorry about that I I was given a plan um from the YMCA ah and I I located the flags closest to me but then I took the other ones from that other plan and I made a note that I took it from the other plan and I took their their their numbers off of that plan so that that's my bad I should have checked in is that the NF is your note that those were YMCA yeah yeah but the numbers on the little blue tags with the aluminum are completely different from me okay um but I also couldn't really match up the trees that you had marked on your plan with the actual trees out in the wooded area um and there was one homeowner we asked to go go out and actually tag the trees with numbers and then put those numbers on their plan CU they just were so hard to match up and you know like you've got a pair of trees Side by Side Up near where it says lot area 16,7 198 Square ft I couldn't find a pair of 12in diameter trees side by side in that location okay so um so uh I would would love some help really understanding where these trees are that we're taking down in order to build this um what I could do Martha is I could flag all the all the trees to come down and somehow match those flags to this plot plan you know yep I could that would help yep okay um do you want me to keep going or do you want to take a turn you can rest your voice okay Brian okay um so Walter talked about the flow do you have any idea if that is a spring or if it's just uh some underground stream that ends up there I don't know you know if it runs year round I don't I don't know the history of the lot too well okay um it it probably makes sense that we should get someone to look at that we understand it better um because Martha mentioned it the concern about building a house above that somehow affecting that flow which in turn would affect the wetlands in the Vernal pool Downstream um I think until we know more about that we should be careful before we go forward uh the next point I'd like to make is about the retaining wall I I I want to see that pulled uphill outside of the 35 foot and I'm not going to design the way to do it maybe it means a smaller yard maybe it means the house moves forward but either way I'd like to see it outside the 35t there um I agree with the trees maybe a yellow ribbon around the trees um and I was trying to understand how this was going to be built and I know you have some grading uh shown in here but um you made a point of saying there's a walk outdoor from the basement and say something like it's going to improve the site or something like that so how does this work is the the bottom of the basement going to rest more or less a ground level and then you're going to build above it or you're going to dig into the ground that basement basically be the ground level so the point of the walk out basement is to limit the amount of fill coming in on the site um so with the with the there'll be like a backslider uh um and they can just it'll come right out to the grade level so I'm showing a proposed grade of 110 at the back of the house yeah the existing site grade is around 111 so I'd be about a foot lower um but then you can see you know then it continues to slope off to the back of the lot um and I'm showing the grade at the top of the proposed retang well at 109 so you you'd still get positive flow away from the house but it would be somewhat of a level backyard for them to walk out on basically at grade right but you're not going to be digging down to put in the basement just just for the frost walls so you still have to have four feet of frost protection yeah down to the footing so they you know I'm saying that the basement floor is about a foot below the existing grade they'll have to dig down then that convinces we absolutely have to understand where that flow comes from then because depending on what it is that certainly could disrupt it we can investigate that Brian and so where you show the deck that's actually coming out on the first floor level and the basement is at 110 so the deck comes out higher up and then has a stairs in the back that's right and so the deck is more level with the 117 at the front that's right okay yeah all right um and tell me about this um Martha Martha you can go ahead but my fake hand has been up for a long time so I'd like to go after you please great sorry about that bill um just one last question you show grading on the right hand side and um right where it says 112 y there's a weird U shape y um what's that supposed to be is that a depression there or a it's a swell I'm creating a SW for so that water doesn't move towards the ab butter okay to the right I wanted to keep any water moving back and and I didn't want to direct any water onto any of the abing properties so you're making a little Valley for the water to come down the valley toward the backyard okay all right um I'll give Walt Bill a turn thanks Martha um uh so two things Brian mentioned men uh the retaining o situation and my thought on that was and unless I'm misreading this it's a structure um it's it's within the 35 foot zone so this application if that's what you intend to do if you can't move it back the way Brian wants it's I don't see why this isn't a request for a variance and Jack you're familiar with what that requires so I wanted to put that out there also with these trees um again jack you're familiar with how we work um when we have uh new building uh within our buffer zone we typically like to see as a tradeoff not just trees we want the overstory the under story and the ground layer so I would want to see a lot more than just the trees here um I'd want to see what you're going to do about uh Bush and and ground layer cover so as we move forward it'd be good to see that so those are my comments for now and to address your first concern um the wall will be moved out to the 35 foot line that was an oversight on my part I showed it right on the rear until tonight when I started giving the presentation I realized I was in in your 35 foot no structure Zone that'll be relocated and we can beef up the plantings I show eight trees to be done Tom does a great job Landscaping we were planning on adding a bunch of shrubs and other smaller plants as well we can beef up the Landscaping plant to to be more a mixed variety of um planting species um I'm just going to say while we're talking trees I would love to see the replacement trees correspond well with the tree species that are being removed if you're taking out a lot of Oaks I'd like to see some Oaks put back in for example y um doesn't have to be exactly one to one but you know if you're taking out Oaks I don't want Arbor VY yeah so okay Andrew you add your hand up yeah my question is for Tom it's inappropriate so don't answer you want but is this sale done or is it contingent on like our decisions contingent it's contingent on a building so part of that process is and the approval from this commission and the um the back lot line that subdivision of property has already been made by the YMCA correct there's been a plan recorded at the registry of deeds separating this off and do we know what the wording of the conservation easement is for the YMCA's part I don't okay it' be nice to get like did they literally just Square it off like that um I wasn't part of the YMCA portion of this I who accepted the uh e the U yeah the conservation restriction easement they call it EAS yeah they call it a conservation easement I don't know I didn't know if that was something that went before this commission and oh so you're saying they it may have been there I so I was gonna ask you about that when I was when I think they created a truck so I think back in the back in the day they wanted to create that access road up to for street or whatever that project was I thought that this conservation easement happen back then but when you were describing the project you said made it seem like they just did I think they just did I think in like um within the last two years this was created those bounds were new that we talked about and those are relatively really new yeah um well I can get a little I can do a little homework I didn't really do much homework on it I didn't know if they had been for you uh not since 2020 because I would have remembered this conservation easement going in and I have no memory of it and that was 2020 okay so it must predate me I'll do some homework on it yeah because that would be good for us to know what already is in place so that we're not approving something where the conservation easement is uh got other language involved just well I have I I share a lot of the concerns about um what's existing there why is that if it's if it's standing why why is not a Vernal pool but it's not standing water that water is moving so where is this water coming from suggest there's a spring so I would definitely like to know um what is happening with that land and I just have concerns about yeah the impact of this project having on that and if we do get for along the development this I think some sections would be helpful to to understand how we're getting from Forest Street down to the the Ws okay anybody Walter or Bill do you have any more comments how about anybody here I've got I've got one it's an administrative comment um could you have the um Wetland delineator include the field delineation forms in the application I did not but I can could you okay I think that's at our checklist now yeah again that was back to I I wasn't sure if that had already been done in the past but I I I can check with Marin from Marson get those yeah um and Chuck did you have anything else you wanted to say yeah I have a few things um that I wanted to say just give us a date when this was delineated I was just looking for it on the plan it says in the narrative in the narrative yeah okay wasn't that long ago like 2022 yeah is I did attach the narrative from Norse yeah I know I saw that in the paper so um I think this little just want to make sure that we have the right spot for the Vernal pool and I was wondering if there was paperwork because I know it's had mass mapper and not only our website shows it in a different spot I was wondering how it's certified in this spot and what work went into um figuring that out and I know you can make phone calls but just I just wanted to know if that's uh you know this is probably back in the day when Mo was just a starting over at there running high and and the gal pool was probably mapped out with compass and uh a measuring Cape but they've been trying to use GPS and correct these old ones this one's clearly Up by Four Street i' like to know how that move happened um then I wanted to know what the size of the drywall was and I was going to ask you if you did a test pit there to know that you're you have two feet of separation or not yeah we didn't do a test hole so we may want to do a test hole out there I I'm looking at the letter from Norse environmental and the conservation restriction area is dated in 1998 and shows the approximate location of the certified Vernal pool so it was certified pre 1998 and I think Leo Kenny started certifying them with his students in 1990 so there's our window yeah so it would be great to find that paperwork and usually it does give a description they usually 25 feet straight off of Forest Street base of the slope blah size of the pool that's how it's done well how it was done okay and Norse environmental does have the same flag numbers that we were seeing it's an A series 1 a to 31a but also 1B to 9B and 1 C to 17 C the be's are the next one I don't know any C's I didn't see C's yeah I I didn't get down to any bees I was just looking at 20 a was the LA highest number I marked so I didn't walk quite as far as all those flags okay Martha ask um the uh the veral pool whatever Mass website Maps the veral pools has it marked as um certified in 1992 okay okay I'm going to continue uh so the retaining wall what is that how's that made is there I was looking for detail um but didn't see one I'll talk with Tom and see what we want to do for the wall and how tall it would be a landscape retaining wall so I noted a landscape wall meaning it's less than four feet in height okay if I get over four feet in height it becomes a structural wall so I called it a landscape wall um I can get more detail we'll figure out what type so I'm specifically interested in like footing if there's one yeah okay Crush Stone you know whatever so um and then the variance some went over that before and um the replacement of trees for the understory overstory and ground hover and then I had that conservation restriction question um that would be great if you could provide that to us that restriction so when and the paperwork patio coming off the back of the house I guess I said that wrong the sliding patio door exiting the walk out basement I don't see a landing I don't see pavers is is have you located it here is is it kind of like to the left of 110 and um are you stepping on a connection from the driveway to the The Stairway to the deck no I just wanted to make sure you didn't forget to put in your Landing so if someone steps out are they going to step out onto the grass or are they going to step out I mean it's be nice to have that in in place um I'll show a landing there that was it is there any concern that the wetlands were delineated it looks like in [Music] 1998 20222 it says there was a site visit am I misreading that Norris environmental did a site visit in 2022 sorry conservation restriction area yeah which one yeah they flagged it in December of 22 and January of 23 right and did anybody have any issues with the location of any of the flags no okay so we're not questioning the flag locations all right um Chuck did you have anything else no I I finished okay is there a members of the public that had any comments to make that would be you or possibly somebody on the computer yeah t t fin had his hand up but we can do this first I said I U my name is Patricia tank as Mrs Moore probably had some of my nieces nephews or children in ring High School we've lived across from this parcel for 43 years there's a reason it hasn't been developed the slope is I don't need to go there my my concern is just simply I understand that developer is interested in developing but what has happened with all the development in Reading is that this small UND departed undeveloped parcel has really turned into the Grand Central Station of animals over there um it is seems to be the last spot between Birch Meadow behind poage across Forest Street to the vernal pools and all that are behind our property uh we have noticed with all the develop M and reading this has really become a funnel the deer turkeys all that significantly though are the Turtles um we have a whole group of turtles that go back and forth across Forest Street whether they're endangered or not is a I don't know I grew up in Manhattan to see any animal is a big tree but to see these Turtles trying to navigate across farest Street and it's always the same direction they come up from behind coolage they try to Lumber across farest Street with the 50 mph pickup trucks going by they come across to our property and go down the side and make a beine as best they can to the vernal pools behind our house did you ever take pictures of those Charles I can describe them you know I usually see I green and yellow yes there have been um there have been turtles that have yellow on their back and also this kind of green modeling that goes from the throat down the neck and under the shell we've seen some reddish almost reddish mahogany um darker red also the neck down to under the shell we have seen actually the most amazing was bright yellow um Turtles from the neck you know going down are these Turtles bigger or smaller than a foot I guess they're around this size they're yeah they're there's something to say and we we see them um and we I I just think it's something also to be considered as you look at this they the vernal pools are active the peepers and all and these Turtles seem to really have some kind of of pathway across farest Street and down our backyard and what number Forest are you 111 111 Forest and I if you want to come we can show you know you're welcome any time to look but it's an active pathway and it's unusual but it's active and all the other animals are funneling through this last undeveloped pce and it's four seasons of the year they travel through the Swale of our property and they stay on the other side of our property that does not have the driveway so they the trails are significant they are always there we can set our clock you know they come through sometimes six year at a time the coyote the wildlife so it's a real change you know living there 43 years we've really seen what was a quiet suburban area now with all of reading being quite developed the P this last unspoiled parcel on forestry it may carry more significance than it did even 20 years ago you know just because of how everything else has been squished in on it so I am in awe of all your abilities here to ask questions and follow this this is the first time in 43 years we've ever come but it is significant this piece of land because once the bulldozers go in you're not going to get it back you know it is and we're talking about the risk benefit well the risk is significant to Wildlife and all and the benefit is one house for two three four people you know the risk benefit at some point starts to feel a little out of sync given the times we 40 years ago yeah but now it feels like it's the last parcel that's undeveloped between farest Street and the north rading line and the animals can go through our back they're out in the protected Woodlands behind us they can go out out to the town forest and probably out to the ab ifwi River following that pathway so I just thought it was important to come and speak to you directly and tell you kind of the boots of on the ground what we see going on which has been a significant change from our 43 years history my kids would run down the trails to go behind folage not that they were late for school but there was always water down there too I I will say the the water there may be a stream that comes and goes but there's always been water there's always been vernal pools and the traffic to all veral pools in the back persists so so if anyone needs to come out and see our backyard or see the pathways you're welcome to that I I was Wonder step away if you could just describe the turtles a little bit better that you saw uh as I say these sizes um some are all black they're pretty Fierce looking there are some that have as I say I'm trying to you know see them in my mind the reddish coloring going all down with a black shell the ones that have a bright yellow a real it's it's really something to see the the the shell on top but then the I mean the yellow is that yellow you know any yellow on the shell yes sometimes there's yellow on the shell uh and then there's another one that has um the shell that has kind of a see a green and yellow dots Speckles on it and then this kind of as I say green modeling that goes all the way down so is if I had a picture I'd show you but in all honesty when you see them I'm just like oh my God look at that and I don't think to have the phone with me but they are there have you seen them out yet this year not yet yeah not yet no no in the spring it seems they start lumbering across Forest Street and we I've seen them in the fall too they're on the move so something else that I felt you should know because we've lived there so long we see this and that migration is generally because the females are going to lay eggs in Sandy places I would yes I would guess I mean because there's a huge Vernal pool just outside our backyard and you know they try they seem to and and the backyard I mean our whole back pth out there is all protected so they may be even more protected there than they are in the one Vernal pool behind pool do you know what protection that is is that that conservation restriction that where there used to be a horse farm or are you thinking it's actual conservation land I just the why Always owned it and nothing ever Disturbed it yeah that's on the other side of Forth Street but what about your side of Forestry do you you say it's protected back there but do you know what what it is um if you don't can look on the down GIS and out if it's Wetland protected wet land yeah I mean most of our property stop I mean we own like more of our property protected Wetlands than it is property might be the wrong word thank you I I hear your concern I am worried about that as aor what is this it's Cara has just gotten more active that's all it's not the last always be other little patches but I think it is an actual concern here house and there's the conservation but it's all Wetland down there so this is not actually protected this is okay yeah we were just looking at the map because there's a piece of conservation land that's like two lots over behind you that used to be my property and we donated to the town and it's now protected conservation land so I was wondering how you lined up with that um but in the vicinity yeah in the vicinity sounds right but yeah there's lots of um my son's best friend lived on 92 van nordon and that yep yeah we were 110 oh and we knew them yes everybody did right no okay but yeah there there is a lot of w back there um and there's a back in the 90s there was a the town had asked to try to preserve all those backyards and make that a big chunk of conservation land and there's two but there's a lot that haven't been conserved in between okay all right so now we know where we are should we move to continue yeah um I think that's the appropriate thing is there any more discussion for tonight is there someone on the phone no yeah you had somebody else who had their hand up Chuck yes let me get to uh uh T Finn if you uh just unmute yourself state your name address for the record ask your question and I see that Kathy has my name my name is Tom Finn I'm at 126 Forest Street I border this proposed land I will stand with Mrs Tash regarding the wildlife the animals and the deer and the fox and the coyotes and the the Ducks and the Eagles and the Hawks I mean we've got everything down in there for Animals the turtles uh one thing is there is a river that runs under Forest street now from the corner of Bethune Road or Street or whatever they've named it I forget it runs right along behind those new houses goes under Forest Street comes back out under Forest Street and runs down along uh I guess with those red lines are maybe I thought that came over and that swings around and uh feeds that Vernal pool and everything right over there cuz it goes behind the two houses uh to the left of where they want to build but she says I've been here 43 years uh the curbstones the uh the granite curbstones that are on the corner of each of the lot the one on my side of the lot's been there at least 35 to 40 years uh that's nothing new that's always been there as long as I've lived here uh and I've been here 43 years and I guessing it was there when I moved here you mean like a property marker kind of curbstone yes okay there's one there and there's one further down Forest Street that they have I believe they dug it up when they were doing the surve surve and they have pink flags in them if you were out and walk the the lot you might have seen the pink flags we did okay well those are the granite markers for each one and they're nothing new those markers have been there as long as I've been here uh the YMCA was refused as someone brought up one time uh work to be done there because of a veral PO that they work they wanted to do what I want to know is from number 61 are we sure that there's not a veral pool going any fur any closer to the property line that new property line see well are we sure that number 61 right at number 61 there's not a Vernal pool cuz if is it's going to change everything yeah I was out there today and flag number 61 did not look like it could be a Vernal pool to me um it was only when we got down to where it's marked as 10910 on the uh plan so chuck would have to move the plan a little further that's where the Vernal is and that did seem accurate for what I saw out in the field today but I'm concerned about the spring that comes out of the ground at about 61 that is the water source for the Vernal pool well that's what I I I'm looking at it coming one way and you're looking at it going another way but yeah I would be concerned either way there's got to be somewhere that water's coming from in the thing is the drainage you going to allow the drainage to get down a driveway and right out into the wetlands good question I mean yeah you're going to have trees you're going to have a wall but you know the water is going to soak in the ground and go go running out under the wall the other thing is the thousand gallon what uh drywall where is that going to when that fills up or gets to a dra point that it needs to be drained where's it going to drain out it's going to drain out into the yard and right down into the conservation land or the wetlands that's that's uh that's what we expect to happen I mean it's it's set pretty deep in the ground so it's below the first two feet of soil which is what usually gets saturated when there's a heavy rainstorm so rain uh the runoff from the roof and any of these impervious surfaces are picked up by this infiltration system will put the groundwater or that water into the into the groundwater which is below that surface water that's usually affected by rain so it the two the two systems will work separately and typically there's a 72h hour kind of window that it it doesn't holds it for 72 hours but it releases it slowly over 72 hours but over 70 but over 72 hours where's it going to go it's deep in the ground and it's part of the groundwater it's not part of that it's wouldn't be part of that first two inches that would that would flood your house or two feet sorry the two feet that would that would be a flood concern okay do you have more questions no that's about it I think uh m Tash seemed to answer a lot of them um all right I would like to ask Jack Sullivan if he would come back to the podium and just address the question of what you're thinking of for the water on the driveway how are you g to handle that water on the driveway okay okay and could I just ask I I'll answer that um the gentleman who was on on the phone I I think the granite markers he was talking well I think there's some old markers out towards Forest Street I think the ones at the rear of the lot were the new ones okay you I was talking about the ones out on Forest Street okay I just want to correct so the commission thought you know I I believe the ones out to the rear are new the ones out to the front I agree have probably been there you say you say new uh give me an idea what you saying you new it because the YMC this is the you're the second as far as you did the land surveying so if I can um yeah so um it was I think it was Medford engineering or Troy and me or I think it was Medford engineering did the work for the YMCA okay so that was done um they they probably did their survey work two or three years ago approximately I'm going to say eight years ago this land was surveyed by the YMCA and going down on the left hand side on that uh Hill there was Granite maras put in I believe Granite markers were in that hill and there were also wooden Stakes put in with the orange tape going crisscross there so they were probably put in I'm going to say probably eight 10 years ago easy okay Mr Finn I think I think we got it we did see the boundary markers you're talking about but I think we got the gist of your comment thank you all right as far as drainage for the driveway I'll have to look at that I I was just going to have the water uh move off I could put in some sort of U capture system like a trench drain and then have some treatment like a deep sump manhole and and out into some infiltration system kind of like the dry well so like just add to what Chuck was saying um what I'm tasked with is I need to uh provide a drainage system that's at least two feet above the seasonal High groundwater table that way water that moves into that drainage system has the ability to infiltrate into the soil below you don't you you don't want to be into a saturated soil that's in groundwater so when you were ask asking where's this water going it infiltrates back through the soil and I need at least two feet of native soil above the groundwater table and that's that's where that water goes to so I'd have to do something on the driveway side as well to capture some of that runoff sometimes I do um some trench drains or I do um some crushed stone um drip trenches um but I can look at beefing that up we're going to be continuing this hearing anyways so I I'll need I I have some some work to do on this so we have Kathy uh also here but I just before go on I was kind of concerned when I started hearing about turtles and the description so we're always worried about blandings turtle and box turtle and I'm wondering why those weren't what was described based on this habitat so I don't know what Tony has to say to that but the large one sounds like a snapping tur big black and fierce well I was waiting for her to say looking yeah and I didn't hear that Fierce is close enough okay especially big um yellow on the neck could be blandings could be painted see painted turtles sometimes they have yellow sometimes they have the red here orange yeah orange that could have been the brown yeah um the the yellow yellow on on yellow spots on the shell I don't think we would expect spotted Turtles here they tend to be more Open Water Pond species I think yeah I think I think that um yeah well more or less hey we've delineated the Wetland but we identified the extent of the Vernal pool and that Vernal pool habitat which might you know intersect into turtle habitat and if it was such a thing you know specifically fencing and things like that need to be elevated if it's that would I think those are those are State listed so that would be that would become a priority habitat well like I said but I from from this just description the the yellow here bothered me well not bothered me but curiosity yeah so the turtles is something we definitely need to look into and if you see any Turtles crossing the street get your camera out if they don't make it across the street put them in a plastic bag and throw them in your that's what I do natural heritage also or you know Mass wildlife yeah all that um yeah it's kind of interesting yeah okay um H Kathy yeah he Kathy could you state your name for the record uh unmute yourself name and address please my my name is Kathy mlre 104 farest street I'm two lots down from this lot on the same side of the street um and share the wooded area with that with that spot um one of the things I think a lot has been covered here that um I would otherwise say but I think one of the things that really um comes to mind for me is the Integrity of the Vernal pool itself in the context of the homeowners um maintenance of the lot um there's a lot it's a downward sloping lot we know that know human behavior they're going to want to come in with um a rake their leaves over the back of the lot they're going to you know hope to likely to um have grass Services come in and for um chemicals on to have nice line I mean they care about their yard um and this is a particularly sensitive area uh we know um I know had the pond hasn't officially been surveyed for a long time but one of my sons is very interested in vernal pools and has within the last couple of years gone to look at that pool and found fairy shrimp that's the um species that if it's present you know it's a veral pool because they only live in veral pools yeah the are you talking about the one in the back or the one up up front I'll put it on the screen if you I'm talking about the one in the in the back toward coolage okay that's yeah that's I think we know that that's possibly I think it is a veral pool back it's a certified Vernal pool I think that's the one that Leo Kenny certified um so it's that one that on this map here yeah that one yeah yeah so um son found fairy shrimp in that pool yes fairly recently yes yeah I'd have to call him to ask him but you know was within two or three years did he did he check the area above that that's a good question I don't know he went out in the back came back and said still fairy shrimp there um so the the it's the certified burn pool that's not really in question but I what I'm my concern is whether if you were to Grant uh the the the ability to build a house do you have any way to regulate future behavior um to protect the species in that pool and the species who live around that pool and um um I guess that I guess that's the the gist of my gist of my comment there is a lot of we hear um you know American toads peepers all um other things in there so um you know it is a good it is an excellent habitat plus we see all the things the other people have mentioned thanks Kathy if your son has any pictures of turtles that will I'll ask him in relation to that can we add the 200 foot veral pool line to the site plan we have the 100 foot buffer zone on the map but can we add the 200 foot there is no 200 foot what's that there is no 200 foot buffer zone from a Vernal pole well you have 100 foot from a Vernal pole there's no 200 foot protection that's true are you thinking river river 200 I didn't mean to call it a buffer zone I want you to see 200 foot line falls falls saying I just kind of want to know right so you not say it's jurisdictional just You' like it for informational purposes for informational purposes I can show it it doesn't really hold any weight no that's true but think there was um some place else where we asked for a 200 foot line just for reference information I can do that that's fine yeah that's what you're thinking yes that's fine all right um okay just for the record um Bill mccant did sign off at 10 o'clock so we're down one commissioner and it's getting pretty late so are there any other people on the phone that are waiting to have a chance to speak I I don't know if Kathy yeah she took her hand down and Tom Finn stands back up okay I have just one I have just one question yeah if you make it brief because we're running late yeah I am it's just one question the marker number 61 should we have somebody look in that area between the the 100 foot buffer zone and that marker 61 to see if that's a Vernal pool or if any of that area actually between Mara 58 and 6 1 is a Vernal pool that's a possibility we we can discuss that thank you um on that that note we want to move to continue yeah second okay um thank you y did I hear a second did I did I hear a second to continue hello hello by right now can you hear us now okay now Walter's muted now you're W I'm good it says the sound it said they want to okay we're all now on muted so it has been moved to continue to April 24th and Tony has seconded Walter talin in favor Tony yes Ando in favor Martha Moore in favor that's 5 z z okay all right thank you everyone yeah than you thank you I hope you all had dinner before you came here thanks again yeah thank you if you guys want to talk out there we have more work to do thank you okay um all right so yeah we couldn't really do anything further on that till we have a file number anyway um okay um so a suggestion was made to find out whether the upper layers are Vernal pool and that could be discussed next time right yep that would be all all fine yeah I don't know I'm Tony did you go out there I didn't make I bet you Tony would I would gather i' Hazard a guess that Tony would find his way out there between now and the next meeting there was too much water mov maybe another site visit Tony let everyone know when you're going out there and it wasn't it wasn't deep I'd love to go with you so have an opinion like it mhm hear what you're saying so just just shoot me a text or an email yeah yeah it didn't look like a Vernal pool to me so we can't really disc it too much now okay but it would be good to have your opinion and the question is do we get a third party review next 105 okay um Community preservation act committee vote for commissions liaison um if anybody else would like to be the liaison to community preservation act committee um I would be happy to have some volunteers but I also have volunteered that I'm willing to do it if it fits my schedule it can't be a Wednesday or a Thursday in other words here let's go with Matha can we get a vote on that anybody else competing for that spot great okay I'm in favor of that I wouldn't expect that you did a great job at the sweat committee was a lot of work give him a few weeks break now V and second moved and second Walter do you approve of me being our committee's liaison Walter toppets in favor in favor in favor okay 5 z z I'll be the liais on if it fits my schedule if it doesn't we'll have to come back to the committee and try again so it's important to have a conservation member on this committee not only because I really elevated that request but by Statute you would be part of the community preservation committee uh it's required that a conservation member is on that committee so and you have to be a sitting member so it's not an associate member it's not someone blah blah not a former member yeah no one like that so we we' really and I think that would be super important because you know we would present projects and they and you know you would be alas on to that committee to tell them about our projects and why they're important and to help them move forward and to keep us a breast of how things happen so it would be super important to fill this role not only picking other projects to to spend the money if it if it ever was passed a question about that recently an email came around from L asking for volunteers oh if some on the commission were to volunteer as a private citizen is that an issue the official no this could be both but we can't you want to be a volunteer I want see if you're just volunteer in the show up maybe the responsibility level is less no it's not because when they when they made their criteria it was and and community and residents and I think that's the volunteer she's asking to fill those roles so it would have the same amount of responsibility but except maybe they're not a voting member I remember there was like ad hoc and not but whatever we can move onia okay so tell us about 50 aelia Circle Chuck uh so the owner has been uh trying to get that house ready to be sold for a while and um that uh there there was a request by the people that are proposing to buy the house that some of these old orders of conditions um that pertain to this address in this lot he closed out um so we found them all and what we're going what the ask is is that some of them have uh no work has begun is the answer to most of these and form 8A has a section to check off that says no work has begun so what we're doing with most of these ones are um administrative in in my opinion I didn't know if Bill mccant would have had some comment that he's not here so I'm G just say in my opinion if you have an order of conditions it does just hang out there it was recorded and uh in order to get that off your deed and to close it out out and no work was done there is that check off box and that can that can work for a lot of these so the first one 27062 is for the roadway and this was a carnation Circle a big development the roadway seems to be something to enter the lot and the Lots were identified and it was part of that big development no work was done during that project there is uh 27442 and um yeah so no work was done on that one either and that was in 2005 and um don't know the history of that but I know the next one they got an order of conditions and yeah K Street realy got an order of conditions but they didn't do any work again it was left alone the next one is uh 609 27609 again what we're saying but no work was done it's the same thing uh again 50 aelia Circle issue to meline theod which is associated with K Street realy I'm not going to say one in the same same but I think it's it's like they're connected somehow that might be the business this might be the someone in the family so a lot of the Deeds say both and that's Carnation Circle too they got permits to build they went to d uh they got a superseding order there's actually an extra one that they have to go to D to have resolved and then this last one no work was done on that either no work was done on that one either you know fortunately the only one that work was done on is the one that's in place right now that the house was built on and that uh Deb jote go um who's the developer of that area is um is working under right now and that will not be closed out in this process so this last one uh 27609 again no work was done it was uh some of these were a lot scary I think at one point two houses with two separate driveways were approved but that never went through they didn't they didn't move in time and the Order of conditions expired and so these are a bunch of orders of conditions that have some relevance I would I would say the the road one and the next one we should give them a partial order of conditions or partial approval because I think they have to do with the entire development and not just this lot but the next two are are specific to this law and they would get a complete certificate of this seems like above my pay grade but would any new order of conditions void out doesn't void it no they're just hanging out there I don't know how to yeah it's administra and when you say partial order of conditions for the roadway ones is that because we're only approving that piece of the roadway and we won't make any approval of any other part of the roadway yeah so in form 8B it says that we're we're checking off partial order of conditions and then you write in uh you know this Lot number for 50 iselia Circle Lot number formally whatever and that we're we're approving or saying that everything on that lot is uh complete and satisfactory to the Conservation Commission so others Incarnation Circle who have issues and what we we're worried about is a drainage system that wasn't maintained and we don't know where that is but it certainly wasn't on this lot and uh some other things you know the Carnation Circle has to come in and close out their own section of this when when they feel like they want to we have an asille plan specifically for aelia Circle 50 aelia Circle and so that's all we can address our appable for okay so I I did try to get uh Mr go in on the meeting but he's he can you un can you unmute what do you need from us uh you just like a regular certificate of compliance you would just go through the list and say you you approve and you want to issue a certificate of Appliance and do we need to do each one separately I think so okay so can we start in on a bunch of motions here and work our way through them yeah so you would make a motion uh you motion to approve 50 aelia Circle D file number 27709 and that would be one of the newer ones so that would be for a full certificate of compliance that specific to this La okay can we start with that one sove yeah there you go seconded by Brian was it Tony who Moved yes okay Tony moved wal tets in favor like this in favor in favor Rainbo in favor Martha Moore in favor 500 Z it passed and are we keeping track of that file number 27- 0609 no that was 0709 0709 says 0709 on the front but I just noticed like the second page is 0608 oh no it's a different one I'm looking at the PDFs on the website so just yeah so just we have an ' 0609 okay so uh friendly amendment to make that 270 an approval for 270 0609 for full certificate of compliance okay do we have to vote on that friendly amendment I don't know I'm not a parliament s okay all right let's assume we're good okay so that first one we all approved was 0609 the next one we're going to vote on 27- 0608 did everyone vote on it that's what I have here so uh I make a you someone would make a motion to accept 50 exelia Circle D file number 270 0608 for a full that's a full okay yeah certificate of compliance well this is second it Walter tpats in favor favor Andrew D in favor Rambo favor baramore in favor that was moved by Tony seconded by Andy 5 in favor okay next one here shows 27-1 162 162 162 is the roadway from what I remember so this is going to be a partial certificate of compliance so we're going to make a motion make a motion to 162 162 for a partial certificate of compliance moved to Bar catch it s second Walter toits in favor anyone loas in favor andw D in rbo in favor Martha Moore in favor last one move by Tony seconded by Andy passed 5 Z the last one I see in here is 27 - 442 I have 492 which you see it I'm just looking at the at the link in the website cover letter says 442 442 okay uh someone would make a motion for 50 iselia Sero for a hold on yeah it's 442 it's a sloppy four it looks like a nine on one of the pages it's a four DBP file number 270 d442 or for a partial certificate of compliance moved second by Andy Walter tobinson favor in favor in favor Martha Moore in favor moved by Tony seconded by Andy 5 Z in favor yeah uh Mr go I unmuted you but I haven't heard you talk but I think it was a favorable outcome if you I mean you could try to email me if you have any questions uh and or you could use the call in but if you're if you're okay uh maybe you can just use the raiseed hand function and do thumbs up if you're good with what we what we just approved if you have any questions uh email me I have my iPad right here and we'll look oh I see Thumbs Up Great okay we're good to move on I just want to let you know that Josh Lam's been here and he wants an update on the CR that everyone's been signing and so I'm going to let Josh leam in for that uh right now and I think I think that um the answer might be that we're all comfortable with it we've just been struggling to get all the members scattered throughout covid to sign the uh document but only have one left Josh are you available uh stage name address for the record so we're jumping to the administrator's report on the agenda Y no that's fine I'm just for the record saying we've jumped down to number 12 administrator's report okay I don't Josh Josh are you uh available to uh talk to the commission I made him I made him co-host and leave that out there okay send him an email okay should we go to the next yeah go on I'll just fill this which is the violation notices and no real changes I think we added 445 Pearl Street just to remind us to come back around to it that's the one with the stream bank erosion problem that hasn't been solved yet so I checked it out as I drove by to some other site visit and said what's going on with this we should really put this back on the agenda so we don't forget about it okay so next thing is bare metal and that has already been continued to April 24th next DP conservation yeah the DPW meeting on May 7th I'm pretty sure I can be there for that pretty sure I want to be there for that yeah I'm yeah yeah I can be there for that okay it's in my calendar okay do we have any bills we we don't but but I'll bring some in um I'll bring some in um so there was some tree damage now I'm just Gathering my thoughts there was some uh tree damage um at bare Meadow when they put the path in and there was some tree damage going up the C path and I wanted uh to buy some uh repair for that tree that tree damage and I had talked to uh an arborist and they recommended and I'm looking this up quickly a product that you could just smear on with a like a putty knife so that's what I ordered four tubes of it because it comes into small tubes yeah hold on a second um this is when they were putting down that stone dust path around the outside edge of the field right yeah and that's the tree that has the bark damage done yeah that's that's the one well anyways it's uh don't know the name of it's um and how expensive is this goop that you put on the tree $18 and two $100 two trees ahead sces up yeah it's it's about there two trees that I know of that's all I saw who damaged it the DPW why isn't on their build because they put the trail in for us they what they put the the entire Trail in force like they were doing us a favor like you think than you okay we done at $18 a tube yeah a motion we approve that I second even if it was I got itbe black ballson my favorite it's like oh I've seen trees where they've put black stuff yeah and that keeps the infection from getting in there right yeah yeah well that's what I I I wanted to get some advice because sometimes it heals itself and you know the bark grows in and it comes tight again but these ones looked like uh something that we needed to work on so I had uh no cost to the commission someone that I know came over and made a recommendation did you it wasn't my did you think of looking at the one coming up from the parking lot of Mata where was nicked yeah that's the second tree that I'm doing okay well there's two on the on the New Path right next to each other then there's that one coming up the hill from the parking lot I thought I would need three tubes to do what I want so there's a extra tube around okay that's fine uh so I I got a little bit more or I will get a little bit more uh and uh uh we'll order that tomorrow and are you volunteering to be the one who does the treatment yeah doesn't seem like it's yeah too tough I mean are you trained with that are you licensed I've you know I've I've patched some walls a lot I'm hoping it's very similar to uh joint compound okay so let's put that one the bed okay so we had a motion and a second Walter Walter toppets in favor faor in favor in favor Martha Moore in favor and I didn't catch who the motion and who the second was motion Brian second Tony move Brian second okay next one is the admin report we already covered that that's the CR so Dema down to minutes for approval okay um the only thing that I saw was that you marked me marked that I was running the meeting but Brian was really running I actually sent some comments and Chuck that was one of the ones I sent yeah the place where it says down spots instead of spouts might things like that yeah the only edit I have is d p capital D capital e capital P okay contr H I have your comments the only other one was D we have enough votes oh this is Brian I make a motion to approve the minutes for March 27 20 seconds that's Brian second sorry is it mid yet okay Bri uh Brian moved Tony second in favor Brian BR in favor Martha Moore in favor um seconded okay four with one abstain um was Andy yeah just one more comment before we accept that Carl Sone said Friday works Brian my go-to guy for for all things getting signed okay I just need you want to take the CR back and and yeah connect with Carl do you have it with you yeah I need his address again I mean I was there for the project but that was a while ago okay you just texted me the address yes okay so we had a move to a journ at [Music] 1036 all in favor hands up okay how are you good night yes good night Walter good night Walter okay Josh you're not are you there hey chck I am I just want to make sure if there are any questions but it sounds like we're all set so oh good and all done okay get a great night and it'll be back at Town Hall by Monday okay 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