e select board meeting to order um tonight we're on rctv rctv you know Verizon and Comcast we have a pretty big agenda tonight uh public com select board leades on Tom reports P dedication to Jamie M hearing for uh request from biger world to open early traffing Amendment hearing um on a stop sign vot to declare Surplus fire department ladder truck discuss building permit fee schedule discuss and V on Bill Russell committee Charter Charter Review Committee update a tough one uh discuss uh volunteer appointment subcommittee appointments uh and vote discuss and vote on select board nominees for temporary membership to the permanent building committee for the brenter center bring Center of active living project pursu to section 355 vot on extending sunsetting recal until August 2024 vote to appoint select board member to school committee Athletics facilities naming advisory committee discuss and vote to execute Mass clean energy center R trust fund membersip agreement and discuss our response uh to the all M complaint from Dan so if anyone like to speak um I I I I want to keep it to two minutes I I don't want to cut anybody off but um a public comment if you're going to speak do the best you can I I I don't like cutting people off and if you're going to wrap it up we shouldn't tell so uh just just not not not because I'm doing this on purpose but at least has to leave and at leici should requested to speak first thank you I'm actually not speaking I'm actually speaking for somebody who couldn't be here tonight um I got an email asking if I would read this and I said I would so uh my name is Casey Molton and I live on Pasture Road my apologies for not being with you in person tonight as a result of the Jackie McCarthy April 22nd letter to the editor in the reading post and the select board's response to her resignation I initiated a public records request for Jackie cell phone texts and call log to try to understand our elected officials conduct during the town manager search as well as to try to understand others potential involvement in an abrupt in her abrupt departure upon review of the information provided two things came abundantly clear one miss herck wasn't truthful when she said twice that she did not speak to any select board member about the town manager vote two Miss McCarthy was bombarded with calls and texts about the vote including from town meeting members as she stated in her letter to the editor regarding Karen on January 31st she and Jackie had a lengthy exchange regarding multiple items related to the town manager search including external candidates surprised at the high balance of free cash and one candidate who quote sank his ship when talking about Sharon angstroms approach to free cash regarding pressure from town meeting member Joe carahan a fincom member called or texted Jackie numerous times to strategize the town manager vote and to his give his opinion on the best candidate and one such text message he included the oml violation quote would be disastrous if it it delegitimized the outcome of the vote in my opinion his persistence bordered on harassment lastly Linda snow doxer reached out to Jackie regarding the town manager search in a call that lasted 14 minutes as a resident of this town I am disappointed in the select boards non action with respect to Jackie's resignation I'm disappointed in the people identified above and Jackie's call and text log who played a part in her leaving the board and I'm confounded at the swiftness with which all of this was played down and swept under the rug what I've learned from this whole Affair is that our elected leaders don't really want to understand what led to Jackie's departure I've learned that there are two classes of residents those who direct who have direct access to our leaders ears and those who don't have that priv and I've learned that you all just want to move on and pretend that lessons have have been learned reading residents deserve better this was an abbreviated version of what she wrote and she'll be sending the longer version um and I also have handouts that have the um text messages I believe I didn't go through what I was given so thank you and thank you for letting me go first thank you any other public comment in the room Maran not too long select board members you all received my email last week regarding MBTA communities and an option reading could take to save our neighborhoods and our commercial namely to do what other communities are doing and attempt to rezone over large existing multi-unit housing complexes that are unlikely to get torn down and r developed you saw me ask it at the select board I mean at the at the um MBTA meeting you saw planning's response and you saw the response from the audience of the reading voters who elected all of you and what was that planning's response it seemed to boil down to we can do it we just don't want to do it more specifically planning answered when I asked why can't we do what Burlington Winchester wber chelsford Norwood Etc are doing who are all doing this type of MBTA zoning the answer was we don't want to compare ourselves to other communities and what they're doing we want to focus on reading's needs I ask all of you on the select board what do you think of that response of that answer to me that's a nonresponse and the remark about not comparing ourselves to other communities shows how some of our town staff and leaders seem to suffer from a kind of confirmation bias they want to compare us to other communities when it matches their goals like enacting CPA pushing ped water rates green communities trying to ban Plastics Etc but when it come we can't possibly compare ourselves to these other communities when it comes to what they've done with regarding enacting MBTA communities policies that protect residential neighborhoods in that case in contrast reading has to be a leader and innovator in creating more housing and giving the state all that it's demanding and more no matter the impact on current residents and businesses those other communities also have other housing needs and they're they're choosing options that um minimize the amount of rezoning they have to do so that they can control the pace which is something I spoke to and other residents spoke to so finally I ask all of you in this board who ultimately is giving direction to town employees and deciding this where's the leadership where does it go are we leaving it all to the planner and his consultant and who is this consultant and what goals have been given you and you on the select board and you in town management have eyes and ears you saw the level of Disconnect I saw in that room last Wednesday and you've seen the concerns expressed by many citizens going back to last fall the ideas presented last week are still far from what they need to be I will recognize that there is some improvement in at least running the numbers for some options residents have suggested such as commercial only and considering more zones outside of to downtown but in my opinion there needs to be also a consideration of running the numbers or whatever you call it of of what I and others have suggested to see if we can rezone over other multi- large multi-unit Parcels like reading Woods reading Commons you know Gazo Circle you name it if if it's big enough to see if we can truly minimize the impact on our neighborhoods commercial and downtown call it paper compliance call it picking things that will not really unlikely to be result in more housing build but whatever it is at least run the numbers on that scenario too we have some great leadership and reading in in many areas but with all due respect to all those here in my opinion the leadership and Direction uh need to be improved in the MBTA communities area the planning and Community Development folks in our town hall report as my understanding is to the assistant Town manager who reports to the town manager who reports to you the select board who reports to us the voters and the planning and Community Development Department also gets guidance from and works with the cpdc who you and the select board also appoint in other words you and the select board have the power to select the ultimate direction of this initiative the planning department has only a few weeks to turn this ship around before the next public meeting it is up to you the select board to direct Our Town manager and our staff to the direction that that ship has to go so that we we can get to where we need to be and I call on this select board to show leadership in this and allow to listen to the citizens of reading and not ignore ways of complying that are working for other communities and that will preserve our neighborhoods and businesses thank you thank you yes I'm back good evening I'm David Monahan I live on Maple Ridge Road and I appreciate the chance to to speak with you this evening I understand that later this evening you'll be taking up the issue of the possible creation of a Bill Russell committee and just in case it becomes an issue um when you're discussing that or a concern as to whether there are people in the town who are interested in and qualified um to staff such a committee I just wanted to let you know that I am interested and I think I might be qualified to serve on that committee I've been living and reading for 19 years I care deeply about the issues that such a committee would be addressing I feel like I have experience that would make me an asset to the committee and so if it's created I will raise my hand to say I would like to be considered for appointment thank you good evening uh my name is Jeff Peters 38 Berkeley Street and I am here to advocate for the for of the uh Bill Russell atoc committee um I've been in ring about seven years a little more than that I love the community it's a great place to live I grew up in Boston in the 60s and 70s uh I B firsthand witness to racial ugliness violence that consumed the city back when we had desegregation and force Bost it was an ugly ugly time the recent Netflix documentary uh on Bill Russell which I assume you all know about about hopefully you've all watched depicted reading in an incredibly unsavory light at one point in time in the 60s when I was growing up in the city it's reported that people in this town this very Town broke into his home defecated in his bed and wrote the nword on his bedroom wall in feces it's horrific it's a single I mean he was raising a family in a community he thought was safe so imagine what the millions of Netflix viewers think of our town right now and there were Millions it is to this that the committee would speak to this issue and to this point to acknowledge to face up to what happens to express our sorrow for what happened as a community not individually because none of us did anything and also ask the question how can we make it right or at least how can we make it better what can be done and that's what the committee would do it's an ad hoc committee it's a temporary committee it would speak to this issue I'd have to ask why we would not approve it what scares me is if we do nothing at all to confront the ugly history of that type of behavior in our time the proclamation we issued was nice I think it was a first step I think it was a good start I think we need to set an example for the kids children in our school schools the people in our community that we can help to heal some scars that may not exist for everybody but they do exist for some all of you guys campaigned in the best interest of the Town one day after a Celtics world world championship and one day before juneth as a reading resident and I'm sure you I'm sure you share the sentiment I really don't want to be pegged across the country as a town that physically defecated in Russell's bed in the 60s and then symbolically defecated on his legacy 50 plus years later that would not be in the best interest of our town that's the question I hope all of you ask when you vote tonight if we are who we claim to be in the last paragraph of that Proclamation the vote should be five zip no pun intended but it's a lay that's the way I see it and that would be nice it would be nice for a lot of reasons it's the right thing to do but it would also send a community to the community a message from this board that even reasonable people can all still agree on the right thing to do and the best thing for the town a five zip vote would be great thank you appreciate it [Applause] hi folks um GNA pilowsky three Herman Avenue um a member of the reading climate advisory committee I am speaking as a resident but I'm speaking about the reading climate advisory committee um so tonight you're going to go through and appoint a bunch of folks to different committees um three individuals um that are slated to the potentially hopefully appointed to the reading climate advisory committee are Susan B Mark ortis and Corin I believe there's someone else but I'm not familiar with so Susan B applied uh to the committee in 11 days it'll be one year so she applied about a year ago uh Mark applied 10 months ago and uh Corin applied uh nine months ago and I'm saying that not to like dunk on the select board regards to point ments but rather to strongly recommend these individuals to their uh to be appointed to the committee uh they've been systematically showing up to meetings despite the fact that they're not uh members or associate members they actually volunteered for events um that the climate committee has participated in and you know they've helped out in a lot of different discussions that we had they've actually showed up to multiple meetings where unfortunately the committee could not for for a quum uh we were missing members uh at the time which is still technically do um so uh I would strongly strongly uh advocate for their appointment there were wonderful people it's been great uh to get get to know them and a small minor recommendation if I may uh or suggestion um I don't know how typically the appointments are done I know the last like six months or so have been pretty rough so uh moving forward I'm wondering if the appointment committee can maybe meet up uh whenever let's say there's five indiv individuals that have applied for open spots and just sort of like bang that out over a course of half an hour right over Zoom that's totally feasible nowadays um or alternatively if there's too many folks missing from a committee and there are folks lated to or applying to that committee maybe the committee can request um sort of improptu meeting from the um uh the appointment Committee just a suggestion recommendation thank you thank you any El in the room like to speak thank you Mr chairman Tony dzo 130 John Street a member of the cpdc uh up for reappointment tonight however I do not want to speak on my behalf I want to speak on the behalf of Mark Wetzel who is also up for reappointment tonight uh Mark has a incredible history he's a civil engineer he's worked as the Director of the DPW for air he's been on the classification Commission for six years uh before moving over to cbdc he was appointed a year ago to fill a vacancy uh I think losing him would and his knowledge would be a detriment to the uh the committee uh so if if by some chance it comes down between me and Mark I would absolutely suggest you go with Mark instead of myself I know there are four people uh buying for two spots uh the only other thing I would like to mention is that one of the people is a developer Who currently has business or unfinished business in front of the town I would not recommend including a developer for the cpdc I know developers have asked for or applied for the trails committee the recreation committee but when you have a potential conflict of interest like this I would recommend against it thank you thank you anyone else in the room like to speak the cloud [Applause] Carolyn Whiting 17 Chestnut Road and I'll be very brief I'm just here to support the appointment of the the forming of the committee to desate woman Russell and honor his legacy because I think it's it's shameful what happened and we we have to do something please please thank you thank you is our a hand up in the hello my name is Maria salvatelli 25 Arnold Avenue I'm call I'm I'm here today to um support the ad hoc committee for Bill Russell and as the gentleman had indicated it um would be fantastic to move forward with that ad hoc committee if we can think back to our childhood and think back to people that maybe have been special in your life that you weren't able to reach out to them and you look back and you think oh maybe that librarian helped me to get pick out books to get to know how reading has been so important to me or a coach that was special to you and you tried harder you persevered as an individual you look back to these people and you think how could I have honored them more or told them more about my my admiration for them as individuals we realize that other people also have similar likes and admiration for Sim the same people so as a community you look at that person you think how can we as a community honor that person and I think we can do that obviously we've seen that to honor someone that we've admired by giving them the name of a Fieldhouse the high school or a field um for the lacrosse coach I think it's important as a community that we honor someone that we've admired in tremendous Legacy for the Celtics for the community as a Civics activist activist um I think it's important for us to recognize that there are more people out here that want to give recognition to someone that we as a community admired and supported thank you thank you anyone else in the [Applause] room good evening select board my name is regel Nichols I'm 341 West Street and I'm speaking in support of the ad hoc committee for Bill Russell short story I know I only have two minutes so I won't be long um my parents came came up they were part of the Great Migration from Northern Florida they came to Boston in the 1950s and back in those times when they lived in the South End your athletes you would see them so they got you know they would see Bill Russell and so when you think about someone like Bill Russell Bill Russell back in that time he could have just shut up and dribble but he didn't he spoke up he spoke loud and he he fought for not just for African-Americans but for all Freedom loving people so and when coming to this town um he was so over overwhelmed with joy and what what that ugly incident that happened to him and his family has left um you know indelible mark on this town and so when I initially I've been here 20 years so when I initially moved here my parents were like the only thing that they could remember about this town was what happened to Bill Russell but we chose to um the set up residence here we've been here for over 20 years very proud I'm I'm I'm a son of Boston but I'm also now a proud residental BR so I think um I would be one of those who would step into the breach and be part of part of this community I think it's important when we think about um the greatest not only not only a great basketball player but a s's icon and you know one of the greatest players in my opinion not that you know I know there's there's someone in Chicago that has a logo that they think is great there's someone that's in from went to Cleveland and they went to Miami then they went to Los Angeles and then they went back they went back and so now they're in Los is is considered great but in my opinion Bill Russell and that's my dad who still walks this Earth at 91 um Bill Russell is one of the greatest not only great ball player one of the greatest Americans um who fought for the Civil Rights and human rights of all people so I think having an ad hoc committee is needed and I'm one of those will step forward thank you thank you good evening uh Ryan Johnstone 88 L Street um I didn't plan on speaking at all to that um I just feel like I gota say something right now um I I'm also want to speak out in support of that committee um short thing there's a phrase maybe a lot of you know it maybe you don't it's about racism in the South they don't care how they don't care how close you get they care how big you get in the north they don't care how big you get they care how close you get that's what it meant okay that came out in the civil rights that was phrase going around and here Bill Russell while winning all these championships for the Celtics that incident that everybody's talking about that we know about that was brought up on that documentary came on the heels of an announcement from the town supporting Bill Russell those in the town who didn't support him decided to here's how we we want to let you know how we feel about it and go into his home where he sleeps at night def his bad Racial Star destroy his trophies we want to celebrate the Celtics they destroyed his trophies in his home following a speech from the town about how much we love him they redlined him from being able to join in the community he wanted to go in because that was that was legal back then you could say we don't want a black person in our community the seller was petitioned from selling to Bill Russell from moving on another side of the town why do we want to make a proclamation because we want to claim him as a son or reading right how do we claim him as a son of reading and ignored What the residents did to him when he lived here thank [Applause] you anyone else in the room actually it's a surprise I'm not speaking about the ad hoc committee I just wanted to put a word in for Jamie M and naming the path to the woods he gave his love his care his time took away time from his family to help with the shepherding of our wood our forest and so I when I was reading the packet I loved that that path might be named for him so I want to speak in favor and I also want to thank everybody here for showing up and speaking up for the ad hoc committee thank you oh I'm Linda snow dog sir sorry Precinct one sorry anyone else in the room I mean I'm probably Phil more philli boss of Massachusetts Phil ring Meco uh graduate as well um I just want to thank I just want to take the moment to thank the constituents and everyone who came to spend their time and say thank you for being supportive of this um committee whatever happens happens but I very proud to be a product of this town and work this hard and diligent to get this far so regards to what happens I'm still proud to represent this town this is the town that created who I am and without you all I wouldn't be where I am now proudly standing thank you select board for your time and your opportunity for taking up such a uh uh you know pretentious matter I just want to give you all your respect and your time and just say thank you kindly um thank you thank you anyone else K anyone on Zoom um I don't think so anyone raising their hand nope looks like we're good okay thank you everybody for speaking uh select P select Port Lees on Tom M reports Melissa um me first sorry um so I attended the MTA communities meeting the other night as a lot of us did um to hear their input um Board of Health uh had their vote on the tobacco band they did approve that um I don't believe I have anything else on reps right thank you Mark thanks Carl um so recal um that again in preparation for final recommendations to this board we're going to talk a little bit later this evening about a couple of things that that fit with that um bottom line is more discussion with the permanent building committee is is kind of the next I think key activity um and then to be able to bring back a recommendation to this board I think we talked about in July or August actually yeah plus or minus so yeah I think a little more discussion going on um there was a meeting today talking a little bit more about um how we may um approach questions about the different locations and that's something we I think we need to spend time with the PDC talking about and then then I think it needs to come to the board so um the other meeting was um there was a I think I missed it the previous time but the um trust fund commissioner's met and um looking forward to hopefully appointing another person to that board um the person desperately thank you Karen thank you um I attended juneth this past Saturday and the and the weather was wonderful and I think this was our third event and it was the best ever so um I just had a great time I hope everyone else got a chance to attend um and I thank you um I saw Matt there I saw Chris there I'm not sure who else was there but it was terrific um so the kilm school building committee met last night um we have a full summer ahead of us we are looking forward to a presentation from the superintendent as to the educational goals and the programming including a discussion of the uh need and educational uh requirement for a central prek option and we also began reviewing our initial extremely rough order of magnitude construction costs and MBA potential msba um reimbursement rates um there is a possibility as well I share with the select board um the msba for the past two years has met I think it's in December was late in the year and has um voted to increase the caps for projects which means more money for folks in projects and submitting projects so we do have one more opportunity for them to do that believe it would be December of this year and um you know keep my fingers crossed um the news is not that things are getting cheaper they are more expensive the cost of construction is is very much staying high so anyway we have that to look forward to um we also have a sustainability workg group community meeting again we'll be looking at um more analysis of the optional HVAC um options for our building and I encourage everyone to look at kilum school.com and attend those Community meetings if you can so um M and I met on the Basque we met at least three times to finish up the interviews and have our recommendations for this evening um I also attended the MBTA communities Forum um and um it was very well attended and and the library at the high school was a good choice given the crowd size um and um I uh I appreciate J Jane's first um meeting in the hot seat and you handled it very well and again thank you to all the cpdc members um I don't think that this is going to be something the solution to this problem is not going to make everyone happy and those problems are always difficult to solve so um you know we're gonna we're going to we're going to get there and I appreciate everyone's hard work um so far and ongoing and then uh this week um the deadline for ma our green communities application is June 21st so um I was on the film another of our times with our um green committies coordinator and also speaking with the rml general manager to review the uh contract to adopt the mass CC um search charge as part of that application that's it thanks Chris thanks car um I'll Echo the cpdc thing mentioned again that um you know I'm glad to see there was uh so many people in attendance it was good to see people that I had no clue who they were that's usually a good sign that we're getting out the information to people in Town um so it's good to see that um to also address I guess or reiterate something Carlo and I ended up having a meeting today with um Andrew McNichol Jane and and Matt uh to go over uh MBTA stuff um and I think that Andrew is going to do uh his his best um given the circumstances like Karen mentioned not everyone's going to be happy but I believe Andrew is going to take the feedback that was provided the other night um in in heavily weigh on which direction he goes um I attended the Jun thing um as well I believe it was the fourth annual one so it was good to see that um we had fantastic weather for that followed by the uh fireworks at night with the friends of ring wreck there had to be I don't know thousands of people there it was just a sea of people and it's good to see that the park lot that we did over there is actually getting used and you know um it's not just dirt and everything else uh which is also the ribbon cutting that we went Karen and I to the um lot five uh that's over there it's about 18 parking spots that ended up um coming out quite well it's a lot safer over there um it's a nice wooden guard rail going across um preventing you from from parking and forcing you to go into the lot so a lot of goods going to come from that um and then the charter committee uh I'll do that later on in my Charter update that I have here um as well that's somewhere on the agenda chter update so the chter committee met but I'll bring that stuff up then um and Matt will probably mention porchfest if not um it's this Saturday uh you can come to my host 12: to 2 but you can go to reading port fest.com I think and they have the list of I don't know like 80 different hostes you can go to and it might even be more than 80 so I know it's something more than Woodstock but I don't know what the number was 90s all right 90s it's under 100 next year that's impressive that's impressive thank you um so last night I attended the recreation committee meeting got there a little late and they would when I got there was talking about uh Burbank Ice Arena and the rppa which is the ring pickle ball Players Association uh potentially wanting to put some pickle ball courts on their parking lot and that was a good discussion that they had and as a leaves on to the recreation committee I will I will mention something on future agendas on that and they talked about you know CPA because Eric caffin is on the CPA committee and we're only on a second meeting but that's going well so Eric kind of went over what we've been doing and what we plan to do going forward I also attended uh the NBTA community meeting last week and it was a very big turnout and like Chris said um the word getting out that uh we are gonna present a plan and the meeting with with Andrew today um went well in my opinion um had a busy couple of weeks with appointment committees finance committee BW committee and permanent building committee and um that's it oh and that yeah CPA we met was only our second meeting and uh we gave some tasks out to the various members that are part of the boards that would benefit from CPA Recreation historic affordable housing so they were task with going to the boards and see what money uh we could have made if we're part of green communities and what projects we have in the pipeline that would benefit commun CPA and what the Ben you know going forward what monies can be used towards projects so uh that was covered and um that's it for me thanks Matt so I attended reading friends and family day it was a great event again this year thanks to the Lions Club every year they pull it off we had a little wind that day um but that didn't stand in our way of having a great event we also did the ribbon cutting as mentioned down at the Town Forest parking lot so just in time for summer that lot is open and we hope it's well used um we mentioned the juneth celebration Albert did a great job and his team did a great job on that um over the last weekend so I wanted to give a shout out to him and his team and again remind people that the zip trip is coming up we have a lot going on in reading this week we've got the Zip Trip on um Friday and I believe it starts at 10 at um 7 to 10 8 o' 8 okay 8 I think I thought I had well sorry yeah they're getting they're getting there early they're getting there like at 5 I think but for the public I think you know 6 to 10 yeah so to come on out to that so that'll be a great way to highlight reading and that is at Camp Curtis this year so um Chris mentioned porchfest that's also happening on Saturday um check out the website for more information on that um due to the heat we are opening the library on Wednesday although it's a holiday we're going to open it from 10 a.m. to 400 p.m. um so people stay safe and stay cool on those days in public buildings will be open regular hours when it's not holiday um just briefly our new tax collector yira Gonzalez started this week our new assistant assessor Michelle Cohen started this week they replaced Janine and Phil who both retired so we wish them a happy retirement um and we are happy to have the new employees on board we had a competitive pool of applicants and I think I I credit the the recent pay class study um to to having some great applicants in this in this round that's a little bit of an update thanks and I forgot to give myself a plug U I was asked to be part of the zip trip so at 8:32 precisely uh I will be questioned on Town trivia so we'll see how that goes um so that is that camp Curtis like um Matt to get there early it's a great way to showcase the town um we had it I don't know how many years ago 15 years ago up in the common it was a great turnout they do a great job and we're the first one of the summer so uh before we get to the agenda I'm just going to try to do my best to make the meetings quicker so whenever we have a vote we're going to have the motion at the beginning because we always have any discussion just to try to get things moving along the school committee does it I'm G to do my best and just whenever we have a vote only a vote we're gonna announce the hearing you know just and then get right to the motion so it's out there on the table so next on the agenda um I don't know if anyone's speaking but we have path dedication to Jamie M so we have um check everyone's gonna come up and speak and also I believe this mom's son m is on The Zo so I'll hand it over to them yeah uh thank you uh chair baji and rest of the uh select board so I know that I'm here for Jamie M I know Matt M's here I know there are people in the audience that know Jamie and all that support and effort he put into this town uh Jamie M first interviewed me when I arrived here in reading and I knew he was an oceanographer and a environmental scientist he were from medcap and Eddie and I was uh and I was put on my heels I was uh wondering what was going to happen and Jamie reached out to me he made sure that I felt comfortable in this town he made sure that I had everything I needed to do my job correctly he probably was the first one on the commission that gave me his cell phone number so I think that jimie has uh supported the commission he's always been pragmatic in his decisions he looks to the environment but he also wants to be fair and even with uh how he hands out his decisions we're talking about um Birch Meadow main spine path here which is right next to casine field and Jamie on shared a story with me uh I know back in the day and he would bring his kids when they were young routinely to Casting field to look at the frogs to see the flowers and to take a little bit of time to talk about the importance of Nature and how we should all give Back To Nature and I'm sure that his kids uh his wife his family and everyone he met understood that when they talked to Jamie he wasn't just a southern guy with a with a great way of talking he was somebody that really cared about this town the environment and doing what he can in his spare time for the community we have on the screen right now is uh Birch Meadow field highlighted in red with the white dots is the uh main spine path and then screen uh screen left in Gray I see it as gray is casting field so it's appropriate this path is so close to castin field which I would say that Jamie M spoke about many times when it was talk about development on that field and pretty much saved it from being changed into anything else than what it is right now it's a shared space skating in the winter uh field in the summer we have our pollinator Garden starting up over there but I'm not going to take any more time tonight I know the mattm uh on the screen and he probably wants to say a few things about his dad so I'm going to turn it over to Matt and then if there's any questions Matt are you I think I know you're there we just can't see you oh here we go oh can you see me now you're good yep great great uh thank you Chuck I think you covered that well uh mattm formal 263 wman Street uh I regret that I can't be there in person tonight uh actually I really regret not being able to be there in person tonight the AC is down so it's uh it's hot here um so I won't I won't take up too much time um for close to 40 years I think I viewed my dad and I think others here tonight view my dad as a Bedrock of the reing community whether it was on the Conservation Commission the zoning board as a town meeting member uh doing a lot of work with the Birch Meadow Master planning committee uh he dedicated a lot of time and I remember growing up a lot of nights to uh helping out the town in various ways so I just want to thank the board for for this opportunity and then for considerating um the dedication I think the trail would function not only as a celebration of of his service but as an encouragement for others to to follow in his path though so thank you so much thank you sure let me just uh finish up by saying that uh this was brought to the Conservation Commission and and the recreation committee and it was voted uh unanimously by both committees to support this uh this path and this dedication to Jamie Juan thank you Chuck oh sorry is anyone from the board having any question I mean so Jamie is someone that I knew reasonably well I guess too but just his commitment to this community was incredible and he made a big big difference and I think this is a great tribute to leg I agree go ah sorry I I agree thank you uh are we do we do we have anything there's a motion I don't have vote on the agenda do we get to vote on this um all all we had on the motion was for you to support it so do have to I have something I can read yeah I thought that I would read it first and then we have discussion yeah I'm just going by the agenda it doesn't say I thought we're going to be voting on it but it just says okay path discussion I guess that's my fault so I'll take I'll take the H on that one but yeah what what do you have CHR uh the motion was moved to support name in the central spine path that bch meow in honor of Jamie man has presented okay second second thank you any discussion thanks Carla um I didn't know Jamie um I really didn't know anybody uh in reading for all that matter but I I do remember him on town meeting and uh just him announcing Jamie M Precinct I think four or five whichever he was um so it's good to see a a long time dedicated reading volunteer being recognized um and my daughters uh go to Birch Meadow went to Birch Meadow um they did a good job with the path over here so it's good to see that um it'll be named after somebody thank you um so you know I agree with everything that's been said about Jamie and I am he's a wonderful example of how much better reading is because of skilled volunteers willing to dedicate their time and energy when you needed him he was there um and I love this idea of dedicating the path in front of Castine field because um I remember Jamie taking me and another uh Recreation Committee Member on a tour of C field and field and talking about you know the river constructs and and everything he knew about it and I had no idea there was a river there so um I went down the new pathway last week and and I kind of stood at the end of Castine field I understand we're also getting a butterfly garden um so the pathway is a great location and I know you gave one example of one way that you could um you know dedicate it to him I I can imagine that if there was some sort of dedication there with Castine field in the background and all of its Glory he he'd be pretty happy so um anyway I I think it's a wonderful um wonderful occasion wonderful thank you for somebody that we benefited so much from fully in support of this okay good I I concur with my colleagues thank you all right hold favor person zero thank you next on the agenda we have a public hearing for Bagel World thanks mat thank you mat oh thank you thank you thank [Applause] you yes yeah I can read it uh to the inhabitants of the town of Reading Please take notice the select Board of the town of reading will hold a public hearing on June 18 2024 at 7 p.m in the select board meeting room 16 L Street Reading Massachusetts and remotely via Zoom to act on a request for early opening 5:00 A.M for Bagel World at 323 Main Street a copy of the proposed documents regarding this topic will be in the select board packet on the website at www.ma.gov all interested parties are invited to attend the hearing or may submit their comments and writing to town manager at ci. reading. ma. us by order Matthew a cornelis Esquire Town manager okay so we have a representative of Baga World here tonight to talk about the early opening so do you want to tell us what you have planned or yeah my name is Edward Kosinski I'm one of the owners in the family owned um for all these years um and we're we just um came to a point that um people are going to work earlier and and getting everything all all of our staffs are ready it's 6 o' and um and and people are waiting in the in our parking lot a full parking lot at 6 o' so um and and also our other locations are open up at 5:00 ever since we opened many years ago so and we would like to um make make it um uniform because people do come to our location and they they're we looking oh not you know don't open until 6 o' and and um it's a little inconvenience because they they um call and place orders you for early morning in um and we we have to turn them down and send them to our other locations in PE and um so basically L loss of sales and loss of revenue for the town as well and I understand this won't apply to the drive-thru is that I'm sorry you want to apply to the drive-thru um letter right right now um we could do it in a case by case basis um because people um we we're not getting any deliveries um early in the morning um until 7 8:00 um so um people do um the employees come in early in the morning um and mo most of them they they just get coffee and bagel and on their way they go so if there's any questions like you said public hearing yeah I'm good for now thanks Colin thanks for coming uh um so my biggest concern would have been the deliveries but if that's still going to be happening at 7 8:00 in the morning and not five no no it's just the customers Who coming in um so it would be relieving um the cars in the parking lot from just idling overall um all the cast there and waiting uh throughout throughout the uh the whole throughout the whole year and everything and the uh drive-thru situation which we're all aware of that now we have a special Lane on on Main Street for sometimes depending on the day the traffic going into there do we uh is anything else being done on that I know it's been greatly improve improved compared to how it was years ago right you know we are uh going to be we doing the hot top pretty soon um with um right after U Fourth of July live week um that's all going to be stripped down and um and re hot topped and um we're going to have gr graned carvings um all around so and it will um really improve that whole area yeah because I see the one lady that's always out there just directing people yeah she was suppos she wanted to come but she had um a graduation um her daughter was was graduating the same time so she's been doing a a good job out there I will say that there still is traffic but I mean we we keep it down to the minimum and um and um that in center lane U people um say it's really Greatful that and also people that com you know coming to from stonum you um we just have to tell them to go to the median strip and because people have been waiting before them and they they think just um just sneak right in um and we we come the first first uh first come first start basis when the traffic builts up to the street was there ever talk about a double drive through thing there or is it just going to be the double lines in the right now the uh the Double lines um we have only one window there um they they are um quite uh quick on things um and it's just mostly on the weekends U that the double Lanes um are mostly used during the week um it's like mostly um just a single Lane all righty thank you one question so if the um store is going to be open as proposed at five will you have some way to tell people that the drive-thru is not open and we have um a sign that um in uh opening closed and illuminated open and closed sign and closed in red and open in in green but also some people um do wait in line in the Drive-Thru even until 6 o'clock so um and that's why I was saying we could do it Case by case uh but uh people just come by and pick up their stuff and on the way they go so I think the question is if it's open that early if the drivethru was open but now we have a volume question potentially in other words the the back and forth discussion so I thought this proposal was not to have the drive-thru at this point we we we like we can do it um at a later time to more Case by case and see how it is because our volume uh is uh also um adjustable like in our other stores right and so I guess um I read this note as it would start without the drive-thru at at at 5:00 a.m. and my suggestion would be that's what we we stick with for now see how goes after I can go for that as well it's just like in the people in the in front and all parked in front and waiting and and just um and almost like time consumption and ising the cars and just and waiting until we open up the 6 y it might make sense to even have a a sign out front that reminds people that drive through doesn't open till 6 right no we will be putting a sign um overall um and please come on inside uh till then and have you been in touch with the neighbors they all I haven't heard anything from them um and um we've been always um respectable to everybody um I know there there's Neighbors on the other side of residential neighbors so uh we always respect that there u sound like any deliber all we try to keep it around 8:00 further out right and time regulations are s is that right 7 o'clock I think is their least it's like by the time uh they do come by close to like 8 9:00 10:00 so during business hours good thank you yeah thanks uh one clarifying thing so is there a reason why we're not doing I know it might be in the packet I don't see why we would prevent you from using the drive-thru at 5 if there's already people waiting outside in cars to begin with I guess the reason I would not be okay with it is if any of the neighbors were opposed to it and have we ever received anything ever from Bagel World other than the traffic out front have the neighbors complained about noise or anything like this has been going on for like a decade yeah right and so I think when I when I spoke to the police department about it they were only concerned they weren't concerned about the traffic any longer but they were concerned about the sort of Amplified sound and the sound coming from the drive-thru because they had gotten complaints in the past about that okay um but I haven't heard from any neighbors specifically and I don't know if there's anybody in the audience or on Zoom that wants to speak on that but that was really the only concern so I guess for me we can start it with the drive-thru at six o'clock scenario and then if they after a couple months everything's working out then you can just come back I guess to just see if you can because I didn't think of the the speaker thing and the drive-throughs you know what I mean so I don't I wouldn't want to be woken up by that I've seen countless emails for regarding the trash pickup not at Bagel World at other places like no I I I was always on top of it too and it's like they were coming later and later but um now they got to us um a certain schedule um so it's always a pick up on Tuesdays and um during business hour was like 10 11 o'cl so all right yeah we can take it as is my opinion take it how Mark just had mentioned as is how it is in here and then M we'll see how things go okay thanks any other comments in the room or in the room or on Zoom [Music] k no one on Zoom nope see none motion close the public hearing no I was just thinking usually we do close the public hearing and then select word members talk so we're going to have a motion close the public have a motion discussion uh move to close the hearing regarding the early opening request for big discussion those in favor right motion 5 a.m y i' say a long one uh move to approve the license to operate a retail business between the hours of midnight and 6:00 a.m. pursuant to section 7.7 of the reading General bylaws and further pursuant to section 3.8 of the select board policies to Bagel World 323 Main Street this licenses for approval to open business no earlier than 5:00 a.m. and granting this license the board finds one in accordance with section 7.74 do1 of the general bylaws that the operation of the establishment will not cause unreasonable disruption or disturbance to or otherwise adversely affect the customary character or of any adjacent or nearby residential neighborhoods and two in accordance with section 7742 of the general bylaws that the operation of the establishment is reasonably necessary to serve the public health safety and Welfare serves a public need and provides a public convenience which outweighs any increase in the impacts of the adjacent or nearby residential second second all right um any discussion yes um so Matt did we mail specifically the neighbors and let them know that this hearing was happening within a certain radius we we did what whatever we legally need to do to let them know about the public hearing it was published in in the newspaper um Caitlyn's on she can she can speak to portion of it um we did not do a Butter's notices they're not required for that's but it was published in the newspaper okay so no offense but not everyone gets the chronicle anymore sorry um so I so I am concerned um that we're going to get some neighbors that feel like they didn't know this was coming if we go ahead and move on this tonight the other question I had for you is do we have any businesses any restaurants coffee shops of anything any businesses opening this early in R um I think they rather go ahead K I think tread um but yeah there are a few other businesses is um the Starbucks one of the dunin donuts um they open at 5 one the Dunkin Donuts on um Walker bth is 24 hours okay I wasn't aware that we had any um restaurants that open this early so um I'm not sure when that started happening so and the reason for my question is because one thing we do for you we're going to have you know other restaurants and every other coffee shop coming in if they have the staff and they want to do it so I wanted to make sure that the board is aware of that um and we have had noise complaints about tread but this is more of a commercial location and um I don't think he usually play loud music in the park L be different we we always like to be respect for everybody else especially our neous well I have not seen the traffic issues that we were are having since you made your um changes to your building and I do appreciate that I don't and also the online orders helped out very well as well and that we put it into effect when the pandemic came and is helping out very well that all right all those in favor 5 Z thank you thank you thank you very much thank you thank you you all right we have another hearing on a traffic Amendment sorry to the inhabitants of the town of Reading Please take notice that the select Board of the town of reading will hold a public hearing on June 18th 2024 at 7.m on the select board meeting room 16 L Street Reading Massachusetts in remotely via Zoom to approve Amendment 20 24-4 to the traffic and parking regulations official placement of an isolated stop sign on Wentworth Road at the intersection with Lewis Street a copy of the proposed documents regarding this topic will be in the select board P packet on the website at www. read.gov all interested parties are invited to attend the hearing or may submit their comments in writing to town manager ci. ring. ma. Us by order of Matthew a corelis Esquire Town manager all right good evening um so this was another uh request that came in through uh both complaints to the police department and through C click fix um basically Wentworth is kind of a entryway into the neighborhood west of West Street Lewis Street um meets Wentworth in the middle of Lewis Street so as you come to the end of Wentworth it's a te stop at that section there's no stop sign there currently but um legally you would have to stop because you're at the end of the road it's the middle of Lewis Street um so U the request came in and we'd agreed to uh put this amendment before you it would put a stop sign at the end of Wentworth where uh Vehicles would have to stop regardless this is just more of a visual for drivers to know to to stop pleas straight forward yeah straight forward thank you comments yeah Chris thanks car just briefly I guess to save us all the time from Google mapping everything if we could just get a picture in the future of the proposed whatever it ends up being stop signs you know what I mean uh we did the Haven Street the double that was over there just a picture of what we can look at and than people online and in the room could see it but other than that I mean this makes sense to me so thanks is is there already a stop sign um at West Street I would kind of assume ww at and West streets probably already stop signs there uh I'm not sure again you would you're supposed to stop but not not every single Street town has a as a stop sign it's mainly um when requests like this come in we take a look at so we had the the trailer out there um there is a little speed concern on uh Lewis um well not even really we had um over 7,000 Vehicles checked on that street and only 17 uh were speeding anywhere between one and nine miles over speed so it's not that much of a concern but it is happening on Lewis and if that's the area that's meeting with Wentworth then we we would want to put the the stop sign there um so if you think of any neighborhood in town not every single street is going to have a stop sign um but when request requests like this come in um we look at evaluate evaluate to to see so do request came in through see click fix or just concerns uh I believe I my guess is some of the people in the neighborhood were talking because I got a whole bunch all at once so I got see click fix emails so great yeah so yeah it's working as long as you're getting it okay thank you all right any other comments uh Caitlyn anyone on Zoom no one raising their hand nope right motion to close move to close the hearing regarding safety Amendment 20244 second any discussion seeing none all those in favor okay motion please move to approve Amendment 2024 d04 to the traffic and parking regulations as presented thank you any discussion seeing none all those in favor zero thank you thank you good thank you very much all right next oh sure next we have a um vote to declare Surplus items fire department lad truck and we have um assistant chief Nelson here to answer any questions but it's essentially a ladder truck that we uh don't need anymore and we want to Surplus it um from the town rolls we can answer any questions that you thank you does anyone have any questions hi did the new truck come in the new ladder truck no we just um contacted uh crave the manufacturer to get some updates and um the truck was originally scheduled to be delivered at the end of May uh there's been a series of delays they told us July now it's going to be September with question mark um so we are looking to Surplus this so that when the time comes we can can get rid of it storage is tough in tough in town so you're getting ahead of it yeah yeah so we're we're not getting rid of it yet oh okay so it's proactively asking for permission to Surplus when you're ready yeah cuz once a new truck comes there's not a lot of places to I don't think we had extra ladder trucks line around no and actually um we have a potential purchase of the truck Malden Malden fire and uh one of the nice things about that is they've agreed to allow us to borrow it should our our new ladder have some long-term issu which hopefully not but which is a real benefit so we would purchase a third ladder truck you talking about did you say borrow no I'm sorry so the Surplus ladder if you the ladder we have now if you Surplus it uh we have a wal and is looking to purchase that they would take ownership of it but then they would allow us to borrow it which it's really hard to borrow lot of trucks if there's a further delay if there's a further delay right if there's a further delay well no we wouldn't this would not occur until the new truck is in service and ready to go but but sometimes big trucks have big problems and if right it would give us a way to exactly get a truck back fill in right yes thank exactly there might be some Kinks that need to be worked out right yes hopefully not right hopefully not do a motion keep track of this we didn't do a motion no no all right can we have a motion please move to declare fire apparatus ladder truck one as Surplus property second thank you uh any discussion see none all in favor 5 Z thank you thank you thanks all right all right next on our agenda is uh discuss building permit fee schedule um in our packet uh was an update of our permit fees and hope hopefully we all got a chance to look at it and um you know it's I forget how long it's been but it's been a long time since we went up on our fees and just like everything else is going up in life U I guess you know our fees need to follow that model so can we have a motion please there's nothing there no motion no you don't you're not required to vote on this it's administrative function but they just want to give you an update so we have Andrew and here from the buildingart yeah yeah yeah my bad yeah so hello good evening thank you for taking the time um so basically this is the fees are increasing a little bit um but it's more of an admin kind of change the electrical fees is the biggest problem um there's just figures all over the place um adding up Outlets so we've kind of combined it to you know new house additions bathroom rooms separating fees um from that uh the fees have not been adjusted since 2006 in the town of reading I know it was on Jean's list it was on Julie's list um the commissioner before me put some time into push it forward so I think now we're kind of all combined efforts and and we're here so I I don't think it's a dramatic increase um we have all the comparisons from surrounding towns neighboring towns uh and we're right in line with with everybody so uh that's basically it um with the software it'll just make it a lot easier for our admin staff to input these fees like I said now we're new houses could have you know 200 devices and we're trying to go through plants to add all them up and it's it's just not needed I don't think so I'm happy to take any questions if there is any question when you say devices does that mean Outlets correct okay so that's the way it's done now is Outlets lights um switches stuff like that is all like a device so we're kind of going off the contractor's word of you know what they're putting in and the fee is adjusted off of that any other questions Chris thanks uh Carla so what is the offset So currently it's for the electrical the first one of 10 Outlets of $17 and each additional out was a dollar which seems crazy correct um so what is it going to now so it's all encompassing into one flat rate or correct so now if so we we break it down to um like a new house there's no we're not counting devices there just a set fee of 275 in addition is a set fee of 200 um all other rooms is 75 um so now it's kind of all encompassed into one fee basically uh kind of averaging out what you have in a bathroom what you have in a kitchen what an addition you know requires so we kind of added all that in got an average of the price and just put a a lock price on that obviously all the miscellaneous stuff we still have fees for there will be a minimum fee of $50 for miscellaneous stuff but um with a lot of solar panels electric charges I mean we didn't even really have fees for that in the past uh a lot of battery storage um so those are those are kind of the bigger updates but now it's kind of all just encompassed in one so like you said it's mainly administrative where now you're just doing two instead of 367 different items cting them a dollar a piece and whatnot so we're not adding the devices into this as well that that the one fee would be you know included you know a whole house you're getting all your appliances switches lights everything is encompassed in that one fee so it's better for everyone I believe so yeah I mean it makes it um the system is having a really hard time with the way we have it structured now so we're all putting it in that the admin staff's putting in manually right now um the contractors are kind of up in the air of what they expect to pay um so now they'll at least know hey this is my set fee we know what it is what they're not counting you know outlets on plans and submitting it to us and we're you know double checking all that and whatnot getting rid of the allart exactly yep it's all just you know encompassed into one fee for whatever project you're doing basically and how many contractors or residents whoever ends up doing this do you see a day are we talking 50 100 10 how many coming through coming into town hall for this permits um where anywhere between I mean buildings could be anywhere between 10 and 20 a week uh electricals probably about 30 a week permits coming in uh the solos are big the mini splits are very big now so those are coming in with all the rebates from rmld those come in all the time thanks questions I have just one question is it normal to have a fee for a denial letter on a building perit yeah so you're not paying the fee so we do so you're submitting a permit and right now there is no fee I mean in my mind I would assume so if you're doing an addition that doesn't meet the setbacks uh in most other communities you're paying that full fee for the building permit um and then if it gets denied you kind of you know you're you're at a loss now so I mean I think that's a a reasonable fee for the admin staff all the paperwork the mailings all that stuff that goes into that denial what because I mean we may never if that gets I mean if we do all the admin work and it gets denied they don't move forward then we're not getting any you know revenue for the admin work that that was you know so that denial is bringing them to the zba basically got it so if they get denied there then they're not you know they're not coming back to us with the permit fee for the the actual addition where other times you're saying pay the fee before they even find out whether they get the permit or not correct so you got to submit you have to submit a building permit to get to so some of the surrounding towns are just you know you're submitting the fee for the building prary and then hoping that you know it gets through basically y all right any other questions I'm good uh thank you very much all right thank you good night thanks you all right now we have discuss and vote on Bill Russell committee and I know we have a presentation in our packet is someone speaking um I'm making a presentation sorry we are we're a little early Sir It was supposed to be at 8:40 if you're not well after you is vast no TR to review do you want us to do TR to review that's unusual we are you ready we can go out order there might have been more people that were coming we can do TR review first do you want to wait a little no we ready okay we are so ready okay how you guys doing today as well I've already introduced myself hope you're allware me I'm Filmore Philip II reading mecho graduate of the high school here and other things um I'm a graduated from the reading mecco program and president and co-founder of ko the Coalition of us a group working towards racial Justice in reading and Beyond thank you for the second opportunity to to discuss the formation of an atoc committee till bring to fruition the select board's resolution of establishing an annual day in commemoration of past resident Bill Russell's impact on our community as well as his legacy on the court in the realm of civil rights you posed some questions last meeting and tonight we plan to answer them and any other questions you might have our hope is that you will vote to establish this committee so that this resolution can become a reality this would be an auspicious time to vote Yes right before the anniversary of juneth I'm Linda snow doer I'm a member of pair partners and allies for inclusive breing KO and a Precinct one town meeting member many thanks to each of you and welcome to the board to the the table um many thanks to each of you for taking the time to meet with us over the past year and a half um we have Incorporated your feedback into our presentation as well as the feedback from Town Council superintendent and members of the school committee we truly believe that the time is now to ratify this committee so that the real work can begin I'm Tyra Gregory I'm a member of ko part uh pair partners and allies for inclusive Runing and Precinct member uh for town meeting member for Precinct 2 uh I'm committed to equity and accessibility for all residents of re reading and we look forward to the a time in Reading when all residents can learn from our past and celebrate our future together as a community honoring Bill Russell to use your time well we ask that you hold your questions until the and and we hope to address many of the questions you've already asked and some you might think of um in this brief introduction can we bring the our slides up yeah um Kaitlyn thank you kly you could bring us to the second page sweet thank you the resolution in its entirety is in your packet this slide is the section of your resolution that describes your words committing to the commemoration ation of Bill Russell's Legacy the question arose about the name of the annual event it's important to mention that the ultimate goal of the resolution is that the r as that R and commemorates Bill Russell whether or not the ad hoc committee is named includes his name will not impact whether or not we had the annual event that happens as part of his legacy for this reason we have changed the name of the the committee to the ad hoc commemoration committee similarly the question arose about who should plan and execute this resolution this responsibility rests with the town in order to send the message that reading truly supports Bill Russell's vision of an inclusive and welcoming committee Community excuse me KO however is glad to support the town's effort each step of the way for please next slide please thank you Kaitlin U former Town manager Fidel maltez and former selectboard chair Jackie mccarth recommended creating this ad hoc committee ad hoc committees have historically been used by the select board to delegate the research and preparation for Town Projects so that the select board does not have to do all the necessary work in addition to taking this burden off of the select board this ad hoc committee will Empower dedicated volunteers with diverse V voices to figure out the logistics funding and organization of as well as a debriefing after the first annual commemoration this will actually be the second commemoration as the first happened on May 16th 1963 over 60 years ago and then has not happened again even though it was reapproved by the select board on August 9th 2022 20 months ago we recognize and we support how busy our select board duties keep you and our town manager so this adhoc committee offers a way for you to follow through for your resolution next slide please there were questions raised about acknowledging Bill Russell and his family and his family's experience in Reading how the Russell family was treated here as well documented and included in the Netflix documentary as well as interviews with his children their experience in Reading included a petition to prevent him from buying a home as well as graffiti and violent Damage Done to their home the legacy of this experience continues to have an impact on many in our community this is why one part of the plan is to explore ways in which the town can can educate and begin to acknowledge and express accountability for the mistreatment of Bill Russell and his family this will help the town learn from our past and move forward as a community in the world in the words of the resolution to honor his civil rights Legacy and impact on race ations by actively supporting the vision of an inclusive and welcoming Community a public acknowledgement will allow us to move forward as a community because as James Baldwin aptly said not everything that is fac can be changed but nothing can be changed until it is faced reading was not only the place where Bill Russell faced racism and Injustice but reading was his home just like years later reading was my home away from home when I was taken from the running train station along with three black fellow rmhs football players the police interrogated us interrogated us right about there with about the Abduction of uh two white women from another state there was no truth except for the color of our skin just like when readings Charles Stewart claimed his wife was killed by a black man and the Boston black community was tormented looking for perpetrators who did not exist and resulted in innocent men being imp prisons students still report being watched more closely in stores worrying about being pulled over by D while driving and the uucr black lives matter black lives banners being stolen four times we realize that the efforts are being made to address these concerns following through on this resolution will be a very powerful one this is a chance for the town of reading to ensure that once a year every year our town can Inspire our community members to learn from Bill Russell's values as he lived them the resolution's words and move towards the revolutions resolution's big picture goal of actively supporting the vision of an inclusive and welcoming Community since we last presented we have updated the charge to be specific that this committee will access and help organize the data experiences and information from other sources as well as collecting any other necessary information there is already Source material accessible such as the Dei surveys and needs assessments we're really grateful the grants that were gotten for those the public health survey and others the committee's approach would minimize the need to redundantly create resources already in existence thus saving time and resources and enabling well informed collaborative recommendations the committee Bears the responsibility of planning and executing the inaugural CommunityWide event following the conclusion of the event a comprehensive debriefing process will be taken undertaken by the committee incorporating insights lean from the inaugural occasion into their overarching long-term plan subsequently this ad hoc committee will present its findings to the select board and collaborate with the town manager to ensure a seamless transition of all pertinent information and responsibilities to the appropriate Town Departments of Administrators this Handover is vital to ensuring the sustained operations of the program Beyond The Sunset of the committee to ensure the input and awareness of different town departments um um this is the next y thank you who will be on the committee so we're really trying hard not to reiterate what we did last time you have it in your packet um to ensure the input and awareness of different town departments and to elicit the insights from diverse residents this committee will have seven to nine members with three associate members all of whom are residents of reading that was a concern that was brought up at one point as well all the meetings will be according to open meeting law and will encourage the public to attend it was pointed out to us that the historical commission was missing from our original document we're really sorry um so they would have unique insights into the history of reading so we added that to them to the charge as well also to ensure that town departments are informed and engaged engaged administrative heads will be invited to each meeting and kept informed of any questions and consulted on any plans this list is in the charge this list is in the charge and the packet itself next slide please excuse me okay from the last discussion with the select board it became apparent that we need to clarify the relation ship with the Russell family after speaking to legal counsel and considering the practicalities of this committee's Mission we have clarified our expectations as reiterated previously the committee will reach out to the Russell family providing comprehensive information about the committee's objectives and extending invitations to participate in future programming is with this respect in mind that the committee will try to obtain consent from the Russell family before incorporating Bill Russell's name into the title of any programming his name will never be used without permission of the family in its publicizing of a fundraising event in addition no trademark NBA or Bill Russell logos will be used for fundraising without express permission we believe that the Russell family would be more likely to respond from an inquiry from the town committee than from a local nonprofit advocating for that Committee in fact we were advised Kato was advised when we talked to someone within the Celtics organization that the family should not be involved contacted until a more formal plan was in place they're very busy inundated next slide please this past April the select board was presented with the results of the Dei needs assessment which identified an increased sense of vulnerability in regards to town and school leadership ability to tackle and prevent religious racial and aist violence and there a lack of diversity in town leadership boards and committees that continues to enforce the lack of representative government establishing an ad hoc committee will not only honor Bill Russell and his legacy but the committee would enable the town to enact some of the recommendations from the Dei needs assessment including initiating feedback loops in town services to enhance communication with the community instituting mechanisms to increase social economic and racial diversity in town events boards committees and staff and enhancing the role of community-based organizations in town the committee will be comprised of residents and town staff from various departments to ensure a collaborative effort in exploring potential options for honoring Bill Russell and making recommendations to the select board that they can act on the goal is to bring multiple Town departments together and work collaboratively with residents to honor Bill Russell in a way that works for our community and I just want to clarify um informing and engaging the department heads in decisions does not mean that they have to be at every meeting it means there's a commitment to making sure they know what's going on and that they enter into this decision an example would be if the space desired for a program might be in the schools the superintendent would be consulted before a decision was made that it would be held in the schools we don't want anybody blindsided and that would be the job of the committee to make sure that people are aware of the decisions that are being made we recommend residents and select board members take time to watch The Bill Russell Netflix documentary and attend KO conversations many already have we are grateful to all who have attended both the KO conversations and the black lives matter event at the uucr attendance at these events has helped to contribute to our understanding of the feelings of some reading residents who feel marginalized whether by intent or by impact of what is happening in our town the perspectives shared have heightened our commitment to the commemorative initiatives aligned with Bill Russel's Legacy thank you so much for making this resolution we look forward to bringing it to a reality thank you for your time and we welcome any questions that you might have I know that was a lot although it was less than if we tried to fit everything thank you [Applause] do we have a motion I didn't write one specifically because the charge is still in flow and you could say you could first of all you can discuss it first and come up with what it might be or you can have a simple motion to approve or c so there is just you know in the packet there is the charge that we wrote according to the model given to us by Fidel maltez and based on the swc charge we followed that for what information should be contained in the charge a motion to approve adog commemorative establishment um I think well that's some question on the membership but I'll just make the motion first so we can change it um so motion to approve the ad hoc C marage ad hoc commemoration establishment committee Ace as an ad hoc committee under the jurisdiction of the reading select board has presented second thank you any well discussion any questions but any discussion questions just a quick question you mentioned the historic committee is that how how are they I don't see them on there either thank you so um they would be under the membership so we can add them if they're not there now it's not there um we have it under um it's on the second page so under membership we have for the the profession guidance from the list of people the chair or member of historical commission is the last one on the list question so if you guys all have the documents from the back side so maybe this is the question we'll see um are you think just in terms of how you're thinking the import you've got there are nine members on the under membership thank you 10 so at least seven so 10 would be okay would you want to have one of those options be the um chair remember historical commission that's it's very possible and when we discuss this I'm sorry I jumped right in when we discuss this we also realize that one person might fill multiple seats so there might be someone that's on KO that also is a member of pair or um so that would compress the numbers to allow more and um it would be fine as long as the member of the historical society which shouldn't be an issue is a resident of reading commission commission sorry I can't Society members would not have to be residents so that's why commission is okay and and that is what we wrote but I just spoke so that could be moved to under the okay yeah I I had the same question because you mentioned historic and I I'll preface by saying I had a nice meeting uh with Phillip and col who I don't think is here um no he couldn't attend couple weeks ago right a couple week very recently and uh it was a nice meeting and great meeting and I kind of gave thank you I kind of gave him my take on this and um seeing all these people that you want to be a part of it not just the the members of the Comm committee but all the other people that you want engaged and input from is admirable but that goes back to my concern of putting a heavy lift on Town resources and people who are on committees if they want to volunteer they want to volunteer that has nothing to do with what I'm saying but you're asking for a lot um it seems more than I imagined um so that I I just my concerns for you know adding so many people to this and involving so many people because I know you want the input but to me it's just a really heavy lift for a lot of people and if they choose that that's up to them but from where I'm sitting this is asking a lot um and then my my comments with with philli were I'm in full support of Bill Russell you know I I I I know who he is um I know he's an icon I know his legacy but all through this documentation is Dei work and we have a Dei director so just like juneth I don't see why the Dei director and pear and KO can take this on this is my opinion right I share this with Philip we're not saying anything different why that can't be taken on as opposed to forming a committee so that that's what I shared and we had back and forth and it was nice and it you know we we it it was it was it was helpful for me and and and and Philip and Co brought up some good points and but for me I'm trying to look down the road for other um commemorate what's the word comm of committees and you know I shared that as well so if we open this door then someone could come to us for you know John Doe Day committee so that that's the way I'm looking at it and I'll let everyone else speak mean you want I don't I don't know how the the select Board of the governmental process work who's allowed to speak and who isn't am I allowed to speak now yes so back and forth yeah okay because there questions and discussion you me you mentioned the word commendable no no commemorative Comm commemorative what makes an individual commemorative I'm asking you what makes an individual commemorative I've seen a a dozen decisions made in in the room already of commemorative people and you've had no problem making that decision but now when we come to someone bigger than that bigger than us we're having commemorative issues and I'm starting to realize that this man or this Lesar was commemorative what he did on and off the court was Comm memorative and we're lacking the that understanding of how to do that we're looking at this from multitudes of sides but essentially you mention the word commemorative but you have to understand the word commemorative in order to use it I don't think you used it right when it comes to such a legend such as this individual and I think that that is an issue within itself and that's something that the town could work on together um to to fix these broken issues that have played this town and when it comes to those words that we choose to use we should be careful how we use them CU this person was everything Beyond just commemorative he was a legend I'm I'm referring to the name of the committee I'm not referring to the man I'm referring to what the committee is called and paralleling that with other individuals who've donated money have buildings named after them I know where you're coming from I I there's no disrespect to Bill Russell it's I'm looking at it on 105 as an ad hoc committee our Proclamation like I said last time I think a few of us said it maybe not it doesn't say form a committee in the proclamation it says honoring commemorating doesn't say form a committee so again I'll stop speaking and let anyone else have questions can I answer your can I address your concern as well sure so right here on who will be on the committee and on the charge it talks about or designate right um I'd like to just look at who's in this um group in the chairs right now so there are plenty of people that would stand up to to be on this committee and can I ask them to raise their hand if they would be willing to be designated by a a um Department in our town to be on the Comm some people already spoke to that we're not going to go down that road people have already people already raised their hands people already raised their hands I'm sorry I was dealing with the yeah that's fine so people are willing to be designated by the different departments they feel it's important to do and so this would not necessarily be a school Committee Member that's coming to these meetings it would be that designate whose obligation would be to keep the superintendent informed about what this committee is doing if this committee were considering an event in the auditorium the Performing Art Center then that designate would be responsible for going to the the superintendent and saying this is the plan what is your thought on this so it would not be the superintendent that necessarily has to attend this meeting it would be the designate who has stood up been interviewed by vasque and been appointed to this committee to make this event happen that the select board has taken 20 months not to make happen yet so the resolution was really important and that's to to filmore's point it hasn't happened yet and um True Confessions I'm Mark docker's wife I see how busy he is I know that he could not no offense dear but he could not plan this event I also get the the um Town manager minute and I understand how busy Our Town manager and now our new assistant Town manager are getting up to speed and and it would be very hard for them to your point Mr chair for them to attend all these meetings but also to plan these events so what this ad hoc committee is doing is giving you away just like your other ad hoc committees swc um the celebration committee I have a list of them here I looked them up on the website CPA um CPA Public Services is the human rights ad hoc I was on in order to pick the office of equity and social justice that was an ad hoc committee reading Trails committee the charter Review Committee Community preservation act study committee Library landscape committee all of these committees have sunsets it's for a purpose it's to do the research to do the preparation to figure out who it should get handed off to because per your your resolution it's being handed it's going to be an annual event so rather than the select board itself or the town manager by himself doing all the work all the research and the preparation this offered you offers you a committee of motivated people to get that research and the work done and the other concern that you mentioned to col and Filmore pardon me while I just one more thing is that um you were worried that it would take staff time for instance attending the meetings to do minutes to do postings that kind of thing I was chair of the human relations advisory committee for years and I did the minutes I submitted the minutes our wonderful clerk Laura Jem she filed them I did the paperwork for the postings she posted them but we never ever had anyone from the main office come to do our minutes we voted on them just like any other open committee and we submitted them when they were voted on to Lura gem who filed them so we did use some of Laura Gem's time but never for taking minutes thank you Caitlyn for everything you do you are very appreciated this ad hoc committee is not aiming to take more staff time but rather to engage enable them to be engaged in something important that the select board made a resolution to accomplish questions thanks car uh and thank you uh to all three of you um I I I mean this as no disrespect which usually follows something else coming in after that but August 9th 2022 when we signed the resolution that was here um Mark doer was chair and I kind of I understand like you had mentioned that Mark's been very busy and we all are I understand that so I I I I I don't not that I want to say that I don't appreciate the mentioning it it being 20 months um it could have been done back then it was not it could have been done under Jackie as we all know the scenario transpired there unfortunately that didn't happen either things happened that doesn't mean that we're just brushing it off like there's no big deal but I I just want that to be referenced that it's it's it's noted what happened back then compared to what is now Carlo put this on the agenda after 20 months um so after pushing it out of February just saying I I would to that I would say I I would quit while I was ahead before I would start mentioning negativity towards what what he would have done uh but that's just my opinion um so a couple questions that I had I don't get what that means sorry I'm just asking because I I made the point that it was delayed for 20 months for a reason and then Carlo put on the agenda but it's not good enough that it was put on now it should have been put on back in February is what Linda meant which isn't the way to be handling this um in my opinion uh so my questions were so I see that a ninth gr a nth through 12th grade are going to be possibly on the committee can we legally have a nine year nth grader voting or how does this work like do we have like resident of town so so there's no um because I know we have school council I guess so it's kind of that same scenario like I'm just I'm just confused I just wanted clarification I think we're all confused sir it's important to have student representation no I I understand that but they're voting member on a committee in town but they can't actually vote in town in a national election maybe I don't local election that's I guess I defer to legal on that but to invite them as a resident of reading and not give them a vote on this committee would be sort of insulting do we want to hear their voices or not I it's I I guess with all the laughter that I'm hearing because of the question that I asked it it's just you're all assuming that I'm going against this which you know uh you can you can feel that way um but I'm not but I'm I'm I'm getting push back over here from other people in the audience because of the questions that I'm asking that is not the right way to be handling this scenario they're looking for ification because what what you just stated sir excuse me was you stated something about the age parameters of kids being able to make a decision or whatever else the case may be between the grades of 9 to 12 correct is that what you said because they can't vote in a local election but they'll be voting members on this committee that is the point that I was making okay but kids allowed to make other decisions their inputs matters when it comes to certain things and certain stipulations regardless of the voting process do we not listen to our children do we not listen to their cries their their their their whatever the word may be but do we not take into account what they feel and how they go about it one of the things that started kados sir was the cries of the students particularly people of color and other students inside the school system and what they were seeing and what they were experiencing and that's why after all these years we've came this far progressively as a community so I don't fully understand and you you the the crowd's response to your question is a lack of your of you asking the question properly it doesn't it's not like it it I can't even understand what you're saying sir and I'm asking for for proper clarification respectfully I'm not saying that you disagree with what is occurring I'm not fully understandable of the legal jargon the legal verbiage that you're using pertaining to this particular instance that's all I have to say so can I can I just to to your point Mr Haley if it would help to check the charter and check with our legal as to whether students are under the legal voting age can cast a vote on a committee like that then that can be done it wouldn't impact whether you you uh ratify this charge or not because it's one member and the vast can make a decision however it would be very sad and I think that's our also make that person an associate member so that they don't have voting membership either yeah my once I like I was like I was mentioning I had the problem with the ninth grade scenario the fix in this scenario is to have it be a 12th grader that's going to end up being 18 more likely than not that's all it's I'm not trying to nitpick and take I'm just want to make sure because uh Mark and Carla both brought up the historical that I was going to bring up as well but they both already brought it up and it wasn't in there my concern was the 9th through 12th grade and it seems as if 12th grade would would s by um a majority of of whether or not it's legal or not that's that's all I don't want it to put someone on a committee that can vote that can't actually vote and shouldn't be voting I understand Phil Moore's scenario with kids and and the whole thing of course I want uh whoever's input on here but I don't want to appoint someone to a committee that can't actually be on the committee so whatever jargon as long as it's worked out I'd love to suggest that we find out the answer to that because 9 through 12th grade enables the student to follow the process all the way through a 12th grader might get half the way and have to go to whatever's next when they graduate whereas if there's an option for a younger student to be involved they're going to be inspired empowered they're going to make relationships with a adults who care about the same thing the students that worked with me on the human relations advisory committee I bump into them and they're doing important things in different states in Washington DC it's incredible to see what they learn and how they grow through being involved in something like this so without without limiting them by just having a question I would really like our legal counsel to be asked whether that or our Charter committee whoever I know you're on there but check and see whether because they're a reading resident can they vote I'd rather get an answer than narrow it down so that an a an enthusiastic motivated ninth grader misses out on those years of being engaged in such an important event hopefully it's in the charter hopefully it's in the charter yeah and if it's not in the charter that does that mean they can't vote I don't know so I guess that would be an question yeah easily resoled yeah so I I guess my question on that is how long do you anticipate the committee having to work because I would consider a school year being a years well it's 12 months it's in there 12 months because in within the charge is actually doing the first event so that there can be a debriefing and then what's learned be brought back to the select board with a recommendation of who should be what departments or Department should then be in charge of the annual event but the goal was to actually have them go through a cycle and then he had to get the ratification from the select board so Sunset date was 12 months from start originally it was going to be around his birthday in February but um the committee will decide on things like that we were advised that we should leave a lot of those specifics for the committee to decide because they will do the research they will work with the different departments whatever and they will make the decisions about what should come next not not us our job was to advocate for the committee um and my other question was if his ends up saying no after the years worth of work and whatever um is presented to them what happens after that if they do we still have the big Vision like we said in this presentation the you said um in your So reading commemorates Bill Russell resolution we can still commemorate his legacy all the amazing things he did to change our world and we can talk about him we don't have to name the event after him but legally we can name the event after him as long as it's not fundraising and we don't use the logo information and um Justin an answer to a question you brought up last time we are not asking the Russell for any money or anything this is the town doing something to Comm memorate what their dad Bill Russell brought to our town and our world I mean Washington on the March for Freedom he for civil rights he was there so he did as we said both locally and Beyond we wouldn't have had five starters on the black starters on the Celtics if he had not broken that ceiling um and my final comment um is just uh by no way am I quate equating myself to the Bill Russell scenario but um for me having gone to the pride events in juneth and everything for these last couple years I can count um on one hand how many people that have made me actually feel included at these events which is unfortunate for me but on the one hand uh is Filmore who made me feel comfortable at these events same thing with uh sherill as well um it's it it's I don't want to say it's It's upsetting being me at these kind of uh scenarios where I just go and feel like everybody doesn't want media be here in in the first place but for Filmore to do what he did the other day with me really made a difference um and you know it it's we're doing this so everyone feels included in Reading you know what I mean and hopefully it's a great first step not just for me but for everybody else um because as you can tell I can handle this it's everyone else that that I care about in those scenarios so I would hope that this would be a 5 vote tonight as well um just seeing the other residents here uh who may have laughed at me um I don't know who they are they've never come to anything that I know and I like I said I've been to things and that's a good thing because they're showing interest and showing up and feeling included in something and felt the need to speak you know what I mean uh that's what this is about it's it's so for me like I said uh it might have looked like I was going One Direction with this but I was trying to refine it down uh for some specifics you know what I mean but I I thank you fil more for what you did um it's the little things that actually matter so hey Chris I I truly respect your questioning and the things that you want clarification for and things of that nature but just know you're always welcome to the cookout so just know that I appreciate you very much so thanks folks um I think we have an opportunity to drive this ahead with some great volunteers that's kind of what we're hearing um we we have had 20 months it it it's not a it's not true that it wasn't pushed ahead for a reason it was pushed ahead because we basically couldn't handle it and now we have this great opportunity with folks motivated to get it done there are some people that are are very special that this community recognizes you made a comment Carlo about you know how do we decide well number one we do decide we pick who it is later in our agenda we're going to talk about naming a field sorry it's you know kind of comparing things I mean there's a special committee forming just for that and the goal is to get this input and to bring it together there are a lot of folks there these folks are willing to do the work to get it done I think that's awesome you'll get broad input out of that which is fantastic it will help the whole community in terms of what doing here the point here is that we we can honor Bill Russell we said we would we should this I think is the right way to do it thanks any questions I just want to thank you all I um appreciate that you followed up on a lot of questions we had last time and you really flushed this out and I'm ready to move forward on this thank you just want to say thank you I had a meeting with the three of them they've answered all my questions and I appreciate it and I just want to bring up something that really doesn't have anything to do with this per se but does a little bit is that I said this before and I was kind of criticized for it but I think Mr Plus's position within the town would be better fit under the town or schools situation just like this thank you can you please I'm sorry Mr Plus's position on the uh de Dei or the social justice I think his position would be better suited under the town umbrella or the school umbrella not the library because it really uh prevents him from being able to deal with ISS uh situations like this and may be able to put this or ad hoc committee forward thank you sorry any discussion ready for a vote Yes all those in favor 5 zero thank [Applause] you thank you let's go love all y'all yes let's go discuss Charter Review Committee update moment yeah are you guys ready for the CH review update I'm sure you are that's why they're sitting there still get ready for this ready no you can't leave you can't leave to review can't leave should we take a all right let's take a five minute recess totally joking just to make e e e e e e e e e e e okay we're back in session next on the agenda uh Chris Haley CH Review Committee update good yeah um so yeah the the charter committee met uh last week uh for the first time in three four months is because of Elections and um obviously other things taking place um so essentially what we've done all uh August 29th is going to be our public forum um at the library where the public can come and and voice their feedback we're gon to uh each one of us is going to take one article from the charter and just read that up there any changes that we've made to it um uh for the most part there uh the big discussion has centered around uh rld's part in the charter whether or not they have to be in there at all um I it's kind of progressing down the path where they're still in there but a lot of what is written is stricken out and then a couple other items that are in there so rld's legal council has had their opinion um IA and Ethan are working on their as to what was presented to us um by fil last uh Monday um the recall process is changing a little to make it a little bit uh more restrictive um what else uh the the big change overall is he him them theirs all the pronouns taken out of it and just put into generalized terms select men to select board um that's pretty much it a lot of our discussion uh when Bill was there he had a couple ideas that didn't really uh pan out um but other than that it's been pretty without we haven't voted officially on anything yet but for the most part I think it's unanimous in all the changes that we've made um so a lot of good input on the uh committee by uh as you know all the diverse residents that are on there um so yeah that's essentially it is August 29th is our next meeting uh with the public forum uh we've already solicited all the boards and committees for feedback prior to that twice laa bombarded people with asking if they wanted changes that's what we did this last uh this past Monday is incorporate some of the feedback from uh Town Forest and other uh bunch of other boards and committees the overall thing uh with those is they're not in the charter like um not CH Force specifically but other boards of committees there's there's a bunch of them missing correct but the reason to Omit them and keep it in the bylaw is it's easy to change in the bylaw whatever that is okay right the CH is every 10 years correct um so any other board and committee uh is covered under article 4.14 which is other boards or committees and then we can do whatever we want under that essentially um that's pretty much it uh We've offered public comment in the beginning David Zeke came twice I think um regarding recount procedures um and that's pretty much it unless anyone has any questions I might be able to answer have a question as you brought up on on rmld does that sound like um there'll be some common ground found or is that something that's GNA be a discussion going forward I don't think it's anything because they're covered under chapter 90 or what is it they're covered rmld itself is governed under chapter whatever it is Mass General law yeah it's what is it again chapter 40 90 it's some chapter they're they're covered by they're covered by something so like if our chatter says we do XYZ and it's in contradiction with that that suedes this anyway so this one sticking point I guess is uh who we appoint to the audit committee or something with our or we reserve the right to audit uh the select board I believe um and I think that's sticking in there it was stricken but it's going back because we want you know we still want that option to be able to do that uh and legally we can ask for it but for the most part there's no like s quab kind of things it's just whatever um Town Council will work out because it's above our pave rate the stuff that's in here you know what I mean um but like I said a majority is being St from there and a couple sentences being added but that's pretty much it that's taken up a meeting or two just rmld wise yeah regarding that at your last meeting did you discuss our future agenda about discussing the elections yes no I I brought that up at the end um Laura is going to be uh looking into that I mentioned about us doing the elections in May that didn't go to like the full committee on that it's more of I know we're saying that we'd like to have it in May May was great nice weather Etc like um but that is um Laur is in looking into it because if one item changes in the chter pertaining to that other items might have to change as well right so we kind of have to get the consensus from the community us um whether or not we want may I want may but it's not up to me April late April I think it has to be there's something in there where well again this is I don't want to get into it so um by implication that we can't change it again for 10 years correct correct so we got to get it right if we're going to do it at all correct yeah my bigger concern would be town meeting because it doesn't the election have to be prior to town meeting if you push um corre the election to May that means town meeting moves to the end of May I think it's still stays the same you're you I'm pretty sure the election the election has to be before to I'm fairly positive on that because we're voting Tom me Members correct but I believe it allows Tom meeting to by having town meeting in April in the election in May it allows the April people to still vote you get elected in May and then you have X amount of time before November town meeting to be able to okay let's let's stop I believe I believe that's but thank you for the update we'll leave it at that but yeah the main point August 29th public forum be there or B Square y 7 o' in the library I think is what we said it'll be partent yep August 29th thank you yes all right 910 hey we're not doing too bad um discuss uh volunteer appointments subcommittee recommendations appointments vote to appoint candidates Boards of committees a full list is in our packet so I I guess I'll start with Melissa and Karen to kick off I guess their deliberations or whatever you want to discuss because there's going to be a lot of different motions so I'm G to kind of change what I said earlier because this is going to be a lot of different motions so do we have a motion for um I don't know what he has okay maybe maybe that's the thing to start with motions that's the other page I have on St there's tons of people so the way if I might um the way I wrote up the motion was um I did all of the boards that Karen and Melissa had agreed on when they had a consensus of who they would appoint so I did up all the Motions those and then there were two boards that they wanted to bring to the full board to have more of a discussion on and so I just left those motions um blank for you to fill in um after you all have a discussion it was just two boards um that they didn't agree on what were the two boards please um Board of Health and and cbdc okay I think that's the update thank you Caitlyn sorry I didn't mean to no no perfect it's done thank you but so of Chris has a list of every person renewal new members everyone it's a lot um right it's a lot so would it make sense to walk through one committee at a time because I I do if you guys agree there's still sometimes there more applicants than VES I think so I think I forget how I know every year we do it I'll maybe a little bit different but it's I think meaning uh okay so do you not have in front of you which ones we recommended is that why you're asking this I don't think I do okay all right we need saw I see all the different colors I'm missing colors mean something they don't me I pull up um I can pull up the recommendations those I just typed up in the Motions so Chris has those but I can pull those up if you want if that's the way that you want to um email them to you would it be easier to email them to us quickly I was wondering how the packet was going to get yeah I was kind of stuck with it too sorry that's I think because we just finished up exactly I know I know so email to us people you three can pull it up well I mean all of us can pull it up but we've seen it before so or would you want to see it on the screen I I think we should go by committee that's my opinion my opinion if any it okay committee to I just went right down the list yeah okay so we can go down the list in order yeah okay so I guess we'll have a motion for affordable housing second any discussion app point we could still go through all of these and have one motion because there's two we have to pull out so the way we've done in the past um we have pulled them out yeah and I don't know if it's in the Motions we say we're going to um approve all of the recommendations of the vas committee y y y with the exceptions of um or just a motion to review all of the recommendations with the exceptions of the Board of Health and cbdcs you want to do something like that because then we can I think we can go through all of those those are the recommendations where we have the agreement you can ask any of your questions but at the end of the day then the motion could be uh I don't know what you have in your hand the motion it could be an overall overarching motion you have individual motions right well oh and two things first I um cannot vote on the Housing Authority even though I can vote on the housing author fine and Karen cannot Vote or unless she wants to on the audit committee so we have to pull that up as well why would you think I can't vote on the audit committee CU your husband is getting appointed isue you left the room three years ago I did I think you did but I don't I don't think it's issue well we didn't interview him so that's why it didn't occur to me so I'm open to discussion if you need me to leave the room I will upstake it's not a problem I'm only being cautious because I remembered you left the room three years ago all right I don't I don't have a problem meeting is fine all right I'd like to pull out zba as well because Jim steam buan texted me that Karen reached out to him to say he didn't make the committee and I don't see how that's possible so since we didn't vote on this yet I don't see how you have the authority to tell someone that didn't make the committee when we didn't vote on it yet so I want to pull that out as well so okay well I the call I made we discussed it in The Basque we had too many applicants for that committee and we wanted to find out whether he would be willing to serve in another committee and I I did make that call so I apologize I didn't I didn't connect yeah I I don't think that's fair to to for the vast members to tell somebody make the committee before we vote on it so um I have I have Board of Health anyone can try in on anything else Board of Health cpdc audit uh well Housing Authority housing authority and zba so I have five does anyone have any other I know what's in our packet is different than what you know but but best of we told us you know rally that board of health and cpdc were there where they didn't come to an agreement and then we added three more so is anyone else want to add anything based on recommendations and I and I guess if I remember correctly when we when you guys interviewed because when we did I did it when I had interviewed with you and Mark we asked them if they wanted to be full or associate so when we're making these appointments we're making them to that fill that position correct yeah we noted are those so those AR they're all right there they're all right there okay I got you all right so I'll have to read that okay all right so I'm I so can I'm I'm gonna have to review that Kaitlin real quick if you can not scroll yet and just um let me just read this real quick let me know if anyone else needs time or I'm done with this slide if anyone else wants to okay let me know when you want me to scroll down hold on yep all good all good here you good okay right now we see bard of Cemetary trustees so anything below that okay all right we see bard of Health Board regist okay all right I'm good with this anyone else have any comments Mark you good with the screen cration y good all right scroll up please this is climate right a climate Okay yeah I'll just move it up a little desktop next page go give me a second sorry everything is sensitive here um okay all right conservation we need the full view on that have five vacancies with only three that's all we have was three applicants two technically technically we only had two applicants oh one's a re okay so we need more on that one constables we have one one one one reup one new okay good all right all right conso on Aging I think is a big one conso on Aging we have one two three four five six six with four vacancies am I seeing that right no reup oh some of the re-ups all right so I got three re-ups the green and then Nancy was an associate and moved into the full membership okay all right so we're good and that was full agreement by you guys okay cultural Council I'm guessing with all those vacancies we're good okay historic district commission we have some re-ups and what one new person no all re all rups I thought the color meant something but I know I know some of the names all right uh historic commission uh historic district okay good Housing Authority we have one new one reup a reup and one vacancy all right so you guys had to pick one right because there was more applicants okay rctv board um all right so rctv board we have where are we how did we miss um Mr Mystic Valia no applicants no applicants all right sorry uh rctv board all right um that was full agreement on the rctv board everything on this list was fully agreed to okay um all right so I want to pull that out rctv board please rctv board all right um Recreation committee we had a bunch of re-ups and some new okay and that's all the associates so we had what three we're missing someone on Rick Laura Newton should have been an associate member too correct it's not on the list okay one two three four so should be added or someone should be no this one yeah it should just be added because we had three associate spots open we moved um Eric Beamer to a full spot so we just needed to add one more okay Laura Newton yes okay that was sorry that was consensus okay yeah all right Town Forest committee um Forest committee three vacancies only one okay one reup okay need help on that one Town Forest committee Trails [Music] committee we have Trails okay good uh then zba is the last one right yep all right and then we'll pull on that one out okay question for a second on Trails so there was I noted John castrinos is an associate seeking full and you kept him as an associate in the recommendation Da Sweet at a full is that right sorry yes we had some feedback from the chair that he may be willing to step up at me chair aha okay okay that okay all right everyone good so we're pulling out border of Health cpdc audit affordable housing zba and rctv so we need a motion to I guess exclude those right best way to do it if you want um so I would just uh move to approve vast recommendations um removing the audit committee Board of Health cpdc rctv zoning board of appeals noing Authority check that out so that's a motion yes else I can any discussion seeing none all those are favor 5 Z okay so I guess we'll go alphabetical the heal oh sorry huh a committee um move to appoint stepen herck to a full member on the audit committee with the term expiring June 30th 2027 second any discussion right all those in favor all those opposed I'm staying okay thank you all right so that's done so now B of Health B of Health okay so I guess we don't have a motion so um do you guys want to kick it off or should just are we doing a motion first or discuss no because if if it was a consensus there's no motion okay I'm Happ to kick yeah um for the Board of Health I supported putting um S veronte as a full member and Sophie Hansen as an associate member um I think what we're missing from the Board of Health is someone that has knowledge of the restaurant industry um I will acknowledge that two members of the Health did email Karen and I supporting um that differently they wanted Sophie as the full member and S as the associate um you know I looked at both of their in you know res not resumés but applications um and sales experience in the restaurant industry I think and seafood in particular would be very helpful to our board um when you go on the state's website um and look up local boards that help them what they're supposed to be responsible for that the first thing that comes up is food and service um so I think our board health is missing that so I had supported S A for1 were an associate Okay C com I just had the opposite I agreed with the chair and the vice chair of the Board of Health um because Miss Hansen comes in with um I believe she's a licensed social worker with lots of emphasis on mental health and um she was incredibly impressive and I know with our Coalition this is such a serious concern for our community um and the fact that she also works at Children's Hospital brought in the interesting Dynamic uh of her being able to speak to the Pediatric side of things and uh Mr brante um I didn't really see him as a restaurant tour I see him as a a fish wholesaler and uh and and again and again he's used to the regulatory environment so I don't have a problem necessarily with him being on the Board of Health for food safety reasons um but I felt that U Miss Hansen was a stronger candidate for the voting member so I I voted for cell to be the associate okay so we could do two Motion One motion at a time or Chris May remark to yeah so um I just I was going through it I really like Sophie's background also in terms of bringing the mental health side to it think that that that's what we are facing more than anything uh in terms of a community in terms of the world right now and I think that's the to me that's the strength that I I really would like to see so I would support her as a full okay CLE Chris thanks Carlo um yeah while I do see that obviously the mental health need here and reading and everywhere else is going up up and up uh I guess for for me if if we don't have somebody in food safety On The Board of Health um I would see that as is lacking in that department considering that um essentially not that people are dying every day because of of food related issues but I've seen so many recalls lately as well regarding food um items it's more of I I think if we had to require like we have to require a doctor to be on the board of health I think that there should be a requirement for somebody that has to deal with food safety now whether or not that's pigeon and too many people to be requirements um that's not up for me to decide but I don't see why we wouldn't want somebody dealing with food safety and reading so that's my opinion yeah I you know I I feel the same way both are equally important uh but at this time I I you know if if we're going by consensus right now I would support s being a full and Sophie being associate and you know since we've had some turnover recently there'll be opportunity um for Sophie to move up to a full and into a meeting so if if we were voting right now this is just consensus and just talk we're all talking I would support S as a full and Sophie as an associate it's always okay if we do that motion first since that's the consensus of the board sure all right move to approve move to appoint Sal bante to a full member of the Board of Health with the term expiring June 30th 2027 um and uh s and Sophie Hansen as an associate member to the Board of Health with the term expiring June 30th 2027 is that one motion well yeah I think we can do as one motion because that's we can do them separate I doesn't I guess but here we don't have agreement okay all right so can do SE I just want to clarify okay yeah let's take two votes that's cleaner sorry I didn't understand just want to clarify is are are both of these expiring in 2027 Caitlyn because I know there yes got it okay summer 2025 so let's go to one motion please okay two two motions move Point uh Sante to a full member on the board of health with the term expiring June 30th 2027 second second than must any discussion see none all those in favor three all those oppos two thank you move to appoint Sophie Hansen to an associate member on the board of health with the term expiring June 30th 2027 thank you Mark all those in favor 5 Z thank all right all right so uh cpdc is next so if I understand this correctly we have two incumbents and two applicants new applicants right okay and okay so want you want take it off or I'm happy to again if you'd like me to sure um definitely not an ideal situation but um I do think that cpdc is in a spot where they need to be guiding Andrew a little more in listening to our residents and I don't think that's happening right now um and so I did support putting John Arena and guy manello on the board um as the new applicants and the full positions full members okay and Karen please so I um I I don't think we have a policy of not reappointing incumbents who they're serving when they're serving um um very well and have a lot of institutional knowledge I'm also leery of introducing two green members to this very important board as we struggle to U meet the state requirements for the MBTA communities um and so also um I spoke with um the vice chair of the cpdc and um she wanted to make sure that the full select board understood that um Mark Wetzel comes with some amazing background and storm water knowledge that this very technical Board needs and and um thank you Mr dzo for for coming up there and saying that um I don't know if I said exactly the same thing um but not withstanding we very much appreciate your consistency and all of the investment you've made in this board and your institution of knowledge of what has happened before and why decisions were made I I just at this Junction what I did say and what I think we both agreed on is that this is the kind of board where you could really use um more Associates to sort of start getting up to speed and building up to positions because people do it does turn over these aren't lifetime positions so we unfortunately do not have for this board so I don't know if this is a charter change or what the mechanism would be at a future meeting I might like to propose that we consider adding a couple of Associates to the community Planning and Development commission so that we have more room to bring up newer members um so getting back to the task at hand um so I am a little concerned I spoke to Mr magello and and made him aware that if he he kept reiterating that he has lots of projects he's all filled up for the next two years but he says that he has time for this but I I specifically asked him if he was aware that any of his projects that come before the board he's going to need to recuse himself and so he did tell me that he didn't think anywhere before the board and I left with that impression so um so now it sounds a little different but I did make sure to talk to him about that so that he was aware and I and I also mentioned that when we do have any members have conflicts with their professional jobs you know we can make it time available to speak with town counil so that they know what disclosures are available and and where the boundaries are what were your two picks please my two picks were the to Mark Wetzel and Tony dzo okay the two incomings okay Chris you have thanks Carlo um for me I typically I always uh go the incumbent route as well um but for this uh I got I made MBTA communities to be a big part of uh my campaign when I ran what I saw last Wednesday night um the the town Needs to Go a different direction than the way that it's been headed um and uh that's the way that I am voted now as well so it would be for John Arena and Guy Mansion okay yeah I uh I've been the Le on to cpdc for a number of years I think my whole four years um I I think and Tony's been a great member Mark I I I don't think I've ever met um I haven't been to too many cpdc meetings and maybe just CR didn't cross paths but I I think there there's some um I'm not gonna say shake up but I I think some new blood would bring some um diverse thoughts uh to this boort so I would also support John Marina and guy as well yes I oh I'm sorry sorry no worries no worries worries keep on time no worries so um a few things um I think Mark is New Blood um I think that's what the color means that he was just appointed to the last cycle through so I he is New Blood he brings an amazing background and and I think it's critical to to keep that there Tony has been a great Steward of the community as well I'm very uncomfortable with attempting to create an ideal logical shift in the board and and your comment Chris about you know this this is you know it has to change this is what's needed it needs to be discussed it doesn't need to change we all have to be discussing these things I'm very concerned that this potential wholesale swap over here is more of an ideological shift than anything else and I don't think that's called for I'm also very uncomfortable having a developer who may or may not have business in front of the town but he certainly does now being on the board I don't think that's appropriate I don't think that's the right fit at all so I I'm uncomfortable with with d Melo being on the board as an option and I think Mark and Tony are are the right folks to to kind of manage us through where we are and manage us through choices and the ability to look at different options I think that if we just look at attempting to get an ideological shift we're going to start whipsawing through volunteer committees and that's a really bad idea people that have been great stewards for the community in terms of their service Tony being a great example of that that's the right choice here and Mark wetel you won't find this background in other people and you know I've known John arena for many years that's not a strength that he's going to bring here that's not who he would be for this board um I I see us having more and more needs in these areas I think Mark is is the right guy I think Tony is the right guy those are my two choices thank you yeah so just um a couple things I was with you and was also hesitant of putting guy on the board um in our interview he made it very clear that any of his projects that he has planned out for many years to come have already been through cpdc and he is booked for many years to come he has nothing that will come before B Bo um also this isn't personal and I hope that neither Tony nor Mark take it personal because it you're saying there needs to be a discussion wedes or last week's discussion for MBT communities which is very telling the community wants the push back of going the minimal route and I'm not sure that cpdc is giving that push back to Andrew and I think that we need to see that and it was very loud and clear of What the residents are looking for and it's not what has been put forward so those are just my so again I think we need to be really careful folks who have come to the meetings represent a point of view they do not represent the entire Community attempting to kind of legislate that change um for example there was a discussion of let's just fight it um if if we as a town were to do that I think we would find ourselves in the worst possible position finding out a month before things have to be done that we we may have to do something in 30 days it's a chance for a disaster there's no reason to go that way at all we need options I didn't attend the meeting I did read about it I did kind of follow what was going on I understand there are a lot of options that's where we ought to be and we ought to narrow down and figure out what they are to again to try to legislate what's happening here based on folks that have been um sharing a strong voice important to listen not okay to change to to say hey this is what we're going to do the community has not voted the community will get to vote but they have not voted yet actually the community won't vote it will be Tom meeting that vote so are elected representatives so I do think that those meetings are telling there's a lot of new people there's people from that and it's not I am not hearing let's um uh fight this it's more just we really want the minimal option and I don't know that that is being heard by cpdc and Andrew and it's not that I I I don't want a board that's just pushing my view or a single view in any case but I just need I think we need people that are pushing a little more and listening to Residents a little more I just these are emphasize listening to to some residents not all that's why it's important to have options we have to have options we can't just kind of say here it is I think if we do we run the risk of of it just failing thank you any other discussion Chris thanks Carla um I think we are having the discussion um you know nobody's guaranteeing that John arena is going to be dead set against MBTA communities and all of this that's not what we're saying we're having the discussion now whether or not um you know like I mentioned I I ran part of what I did was because of MBT communities I did as well Tara did as well because of we all had different viewpoints we might not be correct it's not up for us to decide it's more along the lines that the way that business has been going as usual for cpdc has put us into this position that I disagree with it's the same thing uh with the smoking band with Board of Health I'm dead set against it uh everyone agrees that uh smoking is bad and uh I've never done it nor will I ever um and you know it is what it is but that doesn't mean that we're now removing people from the Board of Health because of a a smoking thing that they voted on we put them there they voted and here's the end result and now we're up to cpdc um we put them there and then we're going to see the end result and if that is that it go goes along with a majority of of what the community wants then that's what they're getting and if that is for maximum compliance with 10,000 units that's what we're getting otherwise you know that's where I'm at it's we're not nitpicking uh in pulling people out from all various boards and committees I mean that this is shaping reading for the foreseeable future it is critical the MBTA Community scenario out and this is uh why I'm voting this direction Chris I just I just want to ask you um I understand that you and um Jackie appointed Mark Wetzel to the cpdc so you are aware that he was the director of DPW at air for many many years and we've already talked about the conservation um aspect so he's bringing deep deep knowledge so I I'm trying to Recon reconcile now we're bringing two gentlemen um I believe both admitted they hadn't been attending meetings um I don't remember if Mr Arena did that was over a week ago I believe they both said no they hadn't been attended meetings obviously Mr Arena has been a select word m and he mentioned his involvement in creating the 40 yard District but I really I really need to ask you how in how you can reconcile you just appointed this gentleman and now you really want to appoint folks that are going to have to come up to speed at a very critical juncture for this community and I will answer your question rather than me saying I've already given my opinion how long has Mark Wetzel lived in ring and there is your answer so this is my I'm going with John Arena and guy manova he's been here for a year correct no incorrect incorrect how long is it been a scout leader for my kids sorry I'm confusing it with somebody else um he's been here a long time I don't know why it's it always seems as if I'm all of a sudden getting uh um not focused on it it just seems as if why do I bother explaining why I'm voting for people why I should just go ahead and just be like this is who I'm voting for you want to find out uh meet with me separately every time it's criticized on what I do nobody else just me every single time I'm done with it that's who I'm voting for and that's what I'm doing for every other candidate that's on here as well it's absurd every single time always Chris Haley's the issue I think we should go for a can I guess not this is a little different than the last one last one was full and Associate so let's I guess vote what's the best way to do this for for the two full Associates I guess right each each full associate at this separately are they both full or they're both full not right they're both full right so last time it was a full versus associate now given we've spoken we're going with the consensus of three three of us going One Direction two of us going the other direction so should we vote for them together which just want to vote each individual person all four I'm okay with you the one sorry we can vote for all four individual yes or no and then that oh we could just vote in in the pairs that we discussed oh why don't we just I vote that we vote individually okay that's fine you want to start go alphabetical order guess by name I guess are is everything June 30th 2027 Caitlyn for both of them yes 30th 2027 so what did you want me to do first for alphabetic go John Arena first and then who's after that Tony and then guy and then Mark going be alphabetical okay uh move to appoint John Arena to a full member of the community Planning and Development commission with the term expiring June 30th 2027 any discussion see none all those in favor three all those opposed two thank you so that would be Tony next y move to appoint Tony dzo to a full member on the community Planning and Development commission with a term expiring June 30th 2027 second thank you any discussion all those in favor two all those opposed three thank you um guy is next move to appoint guy Manion Alo to a full member on the community Planning and Development commission with the term expiring June 30th 2027 second thank you any discussion seeing none all those in favor three all those opposed two thank you and Mr Wetzel I don't think we have to do well we agree to do it individually so just finish move to appoint Mark Wetzel to a full member of the Community Planning and Development commission with the term expiring June 30th 2027 all those in favor sorry sorry second got to add myself marks in second any discussion all those in favor two all those opposed three thank you on to on to next Housing Authority okay you can read that okay so the Housing Authority sorry I'll just read this move to appoint Timothy Kelly to a full member on the Housing Authority with a term expiring June 30th 2027 second any discussion all those in favor four and Chris is abstain okay uh move to a point Diana Conor to a full member of the Housing Authority with the term expiring June 30th 2028 thank you any discussion seeing none all those in favor four and Chris abstaining correct yeah okay so we have alphabetical rctv right rctv my computer all right so I am going to Advocate Advocate but um sorry I see TV so hot in here okay so we had one application and we had one uh we have two appointees and one from school committee and Mr crook uh was up uh I would like to see I would like the board to consider Frank aone as um a new member to the rctb board and so I know I believe Karen and Melissa were in in Twisted now agre agree agreed on uh Mr crook correct okay so I'm just saying that I would like the board to consider uh Mr Capone and then so you probably have discussion first because the motion is so I'll open it up to anyone that's I guess want keep Mr crook or Advocate okay so I've known Steve crook for a long time truth be told and went to high school with him oh um he has been a really good advocate for uh for the board and I think that as they're facing very very difficult times right now in terms of how to maintain their identity their funding they can't maintain their funding it's going down how do they operate how do they keep going um I think folks who have been in there um had the best opportunity to make that happen I think Steve is a strong advocate for that and I think that it's a it's a pretty crucial time for them in terms of what they're doing so I I strongly support Steve going in there I think his background is really what what drives he's been an incumbent on the board for several years that's why strongly support you no thanks for disclosing that that you went to high school with them anyone else chairman no again um so he's he is an incumbent um so you have that institutional knowledge and I don't believe it has been the select board policy to just um not reappoint incumbents that are are doing the job um Faithfully um I would just add uh for consideration that Stephen crook also is a long-term meeting member I'm not sure if he still was so he brings that extra understanding of how the town works I'm not sure that Mr compone was able to bring that to the board and again if there were associate positions this is a very small board you know I would have no problem with Mr Capone but at this point in this juncture um this is another board where we need we need people that understand the board already thank you Chris I would like to hear what Melissa had to say I supported Mr Kirk staying on the board um he has been on since 2018 he let us know they moving say it again I didn't know TV was moving oh they is it public knowledge are you saying something you shouldn't say our it was a public meeting everything we did was in a public May second guess myself but I was like wait that was a public meeting I know it's a public meeting I know that sometimes things slip us okay Chris I'm ready for the motion oh okay what what's the motion you have um well I have moved to appoint stepen C to a full member on the rctv board of directors with the term expiring June 30th 2027 okay second second thank you any discussion nope all those in favor all those opposed thank you okay that one is done all right so we have zba CBA and and there was and La wait Lara got added to our original motion right for rec commmittee that was next up on the screen yes okay all right all right I'm all right and there was so correct me if I'm wrong there was consensus we have two re-ups in two full members and two vacancies for associate am I correct right that's what we see in the screen and there was consensus on so who who's who's what you guys decide the incumbent stay as fs and two new people be what what are the two new people please um Karen and I agreed on um Tara Gregory Frank and Frank okay and so we also did agree and had this discussion in a public meeting that we could see that um Mr Ste Bren had an interest in the permanent building committee and we agreed we wanted to find opportunities for all volunteers who step forward so my purpose for calling him out and saying that the vasque was not recommending him was to see whether he would be interested in serving on the Council on Aging in order to participate in what is likely to be a building project coming out of that committee so that was the conversation I had with Mr steber we had more applicants than we could appoint okay but but you did say you did not get on the committee that's the message I received well the conversation since I we hadn't voted to the S board the conversation was that the vasque wasn't recogn recommending him that's different than what he stated so it's I don't know what to tell you I was I was speaking as a member of the Vass subcommittee saying that we didn't recommend you okay all right I couldn't speak for the board and I don't speak the like word okay all right um so the other other applicants so we have Megan um Jim Stein buan and Craig um weren't part of your discussions or were they part of your discussions U Megan was Megan is a lawyer um real estate real estate attorney that works with um [Music] developers going in front of zoning boards she was another strong candidate yeah so this was a hard decision for us okay we and then there was no discussion of replacing actually replacing switching full to associate you have full consensus that Mr kler and Patrick hotton should be remain full correct okay all right um he iy um yeah I I I can see why this was tough I I I don't disagree uh I would I'm bringing this forward because I just don't like that a member of our board told someone they didn't make it a committee and go for something else we always well we say in our meetings if you don't get picked not we don't call them and say you didn't get picked I've never done that um so there there's a little difference there so should we talk about what else we don't do that you wanted to do on Friday it's Friday well so Friday I got a call 20 minutes before meliss and I supposed to meet and um I understood from staff that Melissa had a family emergency and that I was told that you were going to step into the bass subcommittee um and then um so at that point I didn't think that was appropriate and we did reschedule the meeting for when for Monday and the vast subcommittee finished the job right I was going to fill in for the interview only and Jackie checked with Lura Jen so did not so here's what's appropriate here's what's appropriate and things happen um what is appropriate is the two members of the subcommittee the vast subcommittee should speak to each other when and and that is the appropriate way that can be done it should be done but what really occurred to me is that the danger of um an open meeting law violation that becomes a quorum and it was Friday after Thursday afternoon Thursday afternoon in any case I understand family emergencies happen and I was looking to get to the ribbon cutting to the town Forest so no harm no foul but it is not a policy of the select board that the chair will just insert himself into the process and again it is it's appropriate for some for the subcommittee members to talk to each other and the fact that again I was blindsided it's really not a great way to run this board I did not make any outbound calls okay I was informed that Melissa had a medical emergency and Jackie called me and Jackie Le told me that I check with Lara and you can jump on do you want to do it and I said I will do it for the interview only not for deliberations okay and that's what I said and I called Jackie because I had like four seconds to figure out what was going on I didn't AR fair enough we should just reschedule we this board voted just deliberation deliberations weren't going to take place correct so don't don't put words in my mouth that I'm trying to insert myself you were going to show up and start to act on the vast subcommittee that is you inserting yourself into the process and I was not consult I was asked I was asked I didn't insert myself you actually could have said I can't do that I'm not on the vast sub sub committee let's find another way you had an option you made a choice I I Laura Jem confirmed that I could do it it doesn't matter that you confirmed that you could do it you might have said just reschedule this is the vast subcommittee we don't want any risks of open meeting law and Andor the the subcommittee is the subcommittee and the select board voted that the select subcomittee would do this work so let's just move on okay all right thanks okay so I I could see um based on what I've heard that I guess you know three candidates are were the most viable um and and and Jim Steam buan and full disclosure I I know um I'm not very close but I know him I I know he owns a very successful business in rubber and um he's been involved uh as a resident um but I I yeah I don't I don't know what two are the best two but given what um Melissa and Karen discussed uh it was Tara and Frank and Megan being a tough decision uh I I I guess I to give you more background we had we had previously um discussed rctv and this you I know you and I have been through this before because we served on this vas committee before so we knew we didn't recommend for for Frank to be on the rctv and we wanted to find someplace where he could serve so that was definitely part of my recommendation for this okay all right so I I will I just want to call this out because of the James J James James Ste incident and I will uh support Tara and Frank as recommended as the associates and Mr kler and hoden as the funds so I'm not changing anything I'm just want to have a little bit of discussion Chris thanks Carlo so can I ask a clarifying question so Megan does what she's a lawyer that goes in front of the she's a real estate attorney so lots of familiarity with real estate issues which is why for a long time I don't remember how many years but I felt that oh that that's generally a great candidate for the Zoning Board of appears appeals in a general you know Realtors or people involved in real estate are good candidates so I was like H but she only applied for one board I think but she goes before like she in her um I have notes that I don't have with me actually um but she her experience is working with developers through Massachusetts to um navigate zoning requirements so this is a part where I criticize decisions that are made because people make criticisms of decisions that I made clearly Megan is more qualified in my opinion than Tera or Frank well that I wouldn't agree with that we just he's speaking right but he doesn't know what tera's qualifications are I'm I'm saying that she directly handles uh goes in front of zoning boards of appeals in general I don't think that's like finding a a dog catcher that does the animal I give you some more insight you you don't have to I'm sticking with what's in here I just wanted to be noted that it's only hypocritical when I do it not when other people do it and that is a problem but I'm okay with what's in here because that is uh what you guys have already hashed out so I I I just I really take issue with hearing that somebody uh is actually has like Zone board of appeals in their own title for the most part and here we are not recommending them but I'm fine with it but Karen can maybe change my decision just give you a little more information feel free to change these were all very well qualified candidates um we already have one attorney on the board with similar U qualifications and more so that swayed us now what Miss Gregory brings to the board um are unique deep technical skills that are very applicable to this and the this is why we agreed that um Sarah Gregory would be a good candidate and again I explained our other choices but just you've been in this position it's not always this was a hard one I agree okay and that doesn't mean that we don't but 10 minutes ago there was a problem in being in this position only with me now we're in this position and it's not a what are you talking about I'm sorry I'm lost way of information I don't know what we're talking about let's go to the vote we'll go into the vote let's go yeah right move to appoint Chris kler to a full member of the zoning board of appeals with the term expiring June 30th 2027 second thank any discussion seeing none all those in favor 5 Z move to a point Patrick Hoon to a full member of the zoning board of appeals with the term expiring June 30th 2026 thank you any discussion seeing none all those in favor zero thank you move to appoint Tara Gregory to an associate member on the zoning board zoning board of appeals with the term expiring June 30th 2027 thank you any discussion seeing none all those in favor 5 Zer move to appoint Frank Capone to an associate member on the zoning board of appeals with the term expiring June 30th 2027 thank you any discuss discussion seeing none all those in favor thank you vask is done all right vas is done next on the agenda item is discuss and vote on select Bo nominee for temporary membership to a permanent building committee for the recal uh pursuing to section 3.3.6 of the general bylaw so uh I guess if we don't have a I guess I know I'm not speaking for you mark but we could just do a motion and uh with Mark's name on it or we can have discussion first you know I've been trying to save time and do the Motions ahead of time but since we don't have a person's name attached to this yet I guess we need to have some discussion first yes thanks car so um in digging deeper what we found out is that the select board nominates up to two people to be the temporary members that join the PBC as opposed to the PBC um appointment committee okay the SEL board that actually nominates the candidates up to two up to two and design or up to has to be two of them up to two up to two of us oh not not two of us up to two members so we get to nominate up to two members you could be one of them I could be one of them and there could be another or or others okay I got you up to two up to two we can appoint one uh so no we can appoint up to two what I would like to suggest is that we appoint one select board member and Council on AG one member at Council on Aging allowing them to it's coming back vote as to who they think it ought to be what I meant one select vot member not two so you said up to two but I get you up to two MERS so so my suggestion would be one select board member and one um designate Council of on Aging member based on who they vote for and these are voting members that will be part of the active living project correct on the PBC yes exactly okay and so they're not members of PBC in total memb on their project temporary members and gotcha the project okay gotcha yeah yeah gotcha gotcha okay all right folks did we do Council on Aging uh that was that was part of the consensus okay sorry just making sure yeah okay okay so thank you Mark for refreshing my memory um yes we did mention that last time any other discussion point of information does it have to be um a full voting member from the Council of Aging that we appoint um so yeah we get to appoint up to two voting members one to two voting members there could be other members I'm not sure how I think that didn't it didn't just to yeah you so you can nominate two temporary members and that becomes the guilding so others could could join in you know exal capacity other capacity but really to to have the committee we have to add those two got it two full full voting they called temporary members yeah full you're asking do they they have to be full voting members of the committee in which they're on including he's a full voting okay that's what I'm trying to clarify can we I don't I don't believe it does I mean basically you're the sponsoring agency the I see the select board so you nominate and then I think they would still have to be confirmed by the appointment committee the the PBC appointment committee um they just have to be registered voters and ready according to this what Karen's asking yeah can one be a full and one be associate or can they both be full or can they both be Associates on the committee oh they're both temporary they both considered temporary no no temporary but I think correct me but vote yeah is that what you're asking Karen I just didn't know if it mattered who we appointed from the council and aging do we have to just limit it to full voting members it does it not matter it doesn't matter because it could be anyone it could be a resident ex could have been James steber so it doesn't need it doesn't need to be um a member of Council on agent so it wouldn't matter if they're voting or not because it could be a resident okay okay okay sorry I'm getting mixed up so so so so speak but Mark is suggesting yeah yes coun on agent but so I don't think it matters whether they're full or could technically a that we justed as a okay good thanks right correct so right now we're just doing our job is one of us tonight okay uh no I think what we're doing is we're GNA um nominate two members says nomin with names uh with a name or an affiliation okay and I think it's nominating it to the the appointment committee permanent build committee appointment committee right so strangely the way it's set up is we have to nominate them this board nominates I got you as a sponsoring agency but without a name we you say someone from the Council on Aging that's what saying but I would suggest is we we could say um a member of the Council on Aging based on the Council on Aging U voting who that member should be and if no one wants to do it hypothetically I don't think that's going to be an issue I'm just saying hypothetically if no one wants to do then comes back to us I would say or it might just be one member but I would strongly advocate for two and I would strongly Advocate that the Council on Aging um really is in some sense the the sponsoring I'm about finding you on this I'm just asking I hear you I hear you I hear you I think that this was confusing and it required some description but there can be up to two members I think that a select board member and a Council on Aging member would be great if your question of specific names I'd love to be considered as the select board member on the council side I'd love for them to be able to Vote or select in their process who they would like to have um I'm certain you won't have a a Dar of candidates on the COA could I do member of Council on Aging or their designate is that applicable we that's we gotta be careful how we word this yeah are we saying we want someone from the pointed to the council and agent we appointed that body are we saying we want it to be from that body I'd rather yeah so we typically would do that we typically would say we want a member from the Cil I'd like to do that okay so let if they can't make an agreement they'll come back to us it's fine I right I know I know it's not gonna happen so if it's okay not gonna happen I'm gonna try to stick to my moving things quickly let's do a motion it's 10:20 you can try again next time I'm gonna try every time I'm try I'm just gonna make a note real quick that the that Matt said that they had to be a registered voter in the town of reading so I'm still kind of up in the air of how people can not be registered to vote yet still vote but we'll get to that okay so have a motion uh so move to nominate or appoint nominate nomin nominate so move to nominate Mark doer and a member of the Council on Aging to serve as a temporary to serve as temporary members of the permanent building committee for the recal project and to refer those names to the the permanent building committee appointment committee okay second question do we need a friendly amendment is it me serving as ex officio as a select board member is that the right terminology um okay skip it I don't think so second second I did second it second any discussion seeing none all those in favor 5 Z thank you um all right so next agenda item is vote on extending the Sunset date for recal Writing Center for active living committee uh to August 31st 2024 and um I'm pretty sure it's G to be a 5- z vote but I'll wait for Chris to come back um and do a motion and then the full Monte and then we have two other agenda item several a few few more have a full monty I don't I think that means what you're think doing it yeah it's expression it's not literal it's an expression and then we got select board school committee Athletics the committee uh discuss and vote on EX masine energy and then we have uh all right all right we're back all right so Chris if you could read the motion for the uh extending the sunset please yep move to extend the Sunset date for the reading Center for active living recal to August 31st 2024 second uh Mark second thank you any discussion seeing none all those in favor 5 Z thank you uh vote to app point select board member to school committee Athletics Athletics facilities naming advisory committee um so you know that's in our packet and um since this is added to the agenda for a timing issue it was not our future agenda I will'll open it up to anyone that wants to do it so we can have a motion so it's for two it's for two people two s two people no no the two naming of two two um two facilities two facilities I'm happy to do it you happy to do it okay we nominate Karen all right thank you let's do a motion with Karen's name in it please any oh sorry anyone else I was just gonna ask how many times did they plan on meeting I don't I don't know I know that the two individuals involved I don't know how much of an ask it is but if Karen wants to do it I'm fine with it okay all right motion please yeah move to appoint Karen herck to the school committee Athletics facility naming advisory committee second thank you Mark any discussion seeing none all those in favor thank you 5 z uh discuss and vote to execute Mass clean m a mass clean energy center Renewable Energy Trust Fund membership agreement so this afternoon you all received an email from IA that what it's considered confidential so oh okay I'm just it's gonna be a little hard to have a conversation but I'm not conversation I'm just I'm mentioning thank you I'm mentioning that we received an email um about this agenda item and uh I I I hopefully we all got it uh and read it so I uh it's been it's been an ongoing uh process this is for green communities by the way um and Town Council made some comments uh in there so uh we can have our own discussion so in full disclosure I know Karen and I have been following all these chain of emails that have been going back and forth um and it was you know coming to a head and then a small pause and then came to a head again and and Karen's been working behind the scenes to get Kine communities passed because we have an upcoming deadline correct in a couple days um our application is due on the 21st right so a couple days so that's why this is on the agenda um but uh this is required um to go along with the application right but but if we read the memo we we have to well yeah no just a just a little background um again green communities has mul multiple organizations and um I feel like and no offense I've said this to my ma our mapc coordinator that they need to be clear about this um so anyway so it does need to and now specifically the application says the town needs to be entered into this agreement at the time that the application is um submitted and um we do have a a a new new gentleman so he's been coming up to speed for the past few months he's been very very helpful very enthusiastic really wanting to help R but but nobody's really been able to explain that this needed to be in place at the time application was submitted so that's just an explanation as to why this is coming to a head and why the time crunch at the last minute so um so we all know Vanessa um unless I have to come up to speed um I'm sure you have in joining green communities um town meeting will be um town meeting was aware that we would be contributing a small fraction of every kilowatt hour into the clean energy renewable trust fund um as part of our joint in and um it is a far smaller amount than we get back in uh Grant funds so it hasn't been a problem um for the Greater Community we invested money with mapc to have mapc come out and explain this to the community and they invited all the town meeting members and they specifically got into the into the numbers so so this is just the formalization of something that we knew was coming and and people um understood and were okay with um so so I'll just say here I have four four points that I'm going to share with the board um doe and this has been part of the behind the scenes just the conversations with our mapc uh green communties coordinator the department of energy does not require a vote of town meet meeting to enable the select board or their designate the town manager to um to execute this trust agreement um and it goes without saying but I'll say anyway um rlbd has been very supportive and has been willing to be a signer so the three signers are someone from legal at Mass CC somebody from the uh the town and um then the general manager of rml so it is not in the instructions anywhere that town meeting must take a vote to um specifically address this very small section of the regulations and so that was the question we've asked doar many many times so the answer is no um and then H there aren't too many communities exactly like reading because there were only about 11 communities that had to deal with an MLP that covers multiple towns anyway so it's this isn't the kind of thing where we can go and find lots of comparison situations but currently um box is um attempting to enter green communities now that you know our delegation was able to get the regulations changed and we've been patiently waiting box borrow is um going to enter green communities and they did take a v vote at their town meeting last fall and and and their vote mentioned the um Clean Energy Trust charge it didn't mention the legal the section of the regulations it was very generic and they're going to get accepted it was good it's good enough um so you know I've been arguing that is this a require or I've been trying to get to the bottom of this is this a requirement for our application or is this an issue of just making sure town meeting and the selectboard and the community was aware that this was happening um it's been difficult getting the the the message or or getting the answers but from the state perspective it is not a requirement of the app application um process and what we were told meaning the mapc coordinator from Mass CC legal counsel was that we just want to make sure this is a local action we want to make sure that the local the Lo um the town is doing what they needed to do they're not violating anything locally and everything's okay so my understanding um and I've been asking this question over and over again is there something specifically in a charter or a bylaw that says that the select board or the town manager couldn't execute this contract um and um what we have done as a select board as um in 2020 we all voted to accept a new formula for our owner's equity contributions which is a couple million I always get the pilot in the owner's equity huge amounts of money so the select board is the authority to sign that um agreement and I don't think Tom meeting ever did I think it was just a select board thing correct me if I'm wrong I haven't done extensive research but it was all select board yes car so just clarify for me and I may be misunderstanding what you said you said that you don't believe town meeting needs to vote on this is that in contrast from the letter we received today except we're not supposed to talk about that I I'm not saying I'm just asking I I do think we have a difference of opinion I think there's a difference of opinion and I've been trying really really hard to ask very very specific questions so that I could understand the risk and that so the select board could understand is there a risk what's the what's the risk what I think what I so there's nothing that's poic as far as I know there's nothing that prohibit prohibits us from taking this action there's also nothing that specifically says select board should definitely take this action these regulations didn't exist uh green communities didn't exist before 2008 so so that's where you get into but there is definitely the answers that I've gotten and the answers that we've gotten there's nothing specifically that prohibits this so you have there's no other communities light writing that have done green communities I know you mentioned Topsfield are you saying they took different steps than what we're looking to take yeah they they are served by an owner um an investor owned utility so that's what I mean there's only like 11 different communities like ours and then so so nor um what's another example so it's the Box b l Littleton it's the Littleton Municipal Light Company Littleton apparently has an investor own account in their jurisdiction so they get to do the loophole even though they're in MLP but we don't ring Municipal light has been in business for a 100 years we don't have any investor owned utilities we can't do the the easy way so we had the regulations changed we waited for them to promate we could have last we could have done a warrant article in fact we tried to and again it kept coming back to oh no we don't know what the regulations are going to be so don't do it so it would get tabled and I I just um oh let me number four is all right so we're in the same thing so so there's an opinion about you know what's an authority and we tried to put our Town Council and ma um green communities and mass C legal in a room Mass C is not going to tell the local Authority what to do but they want to know we're fine and if and and we're going to need the support of Town Council to do that um so I you know we pay a town counsil to be very conservative and give us advice to avoid trouble I just I yeah so that's where we're at and so and the other fact is that so Andrew Andrew found a I don't want to call it a loophole but Andrew did find a section of the um application process that said we got one last chance to not have to redo the energy plan and he's that's one of the things we've been doing getting rmld to work with Andrew to update the energy plan well Andrew found out and convinced mapc that we didn't need to do that and I was like what I don't know how you did that but good job anyway that goes away after the 21st if we don't take this opportunity we will not if we can get all this done by the end of the year we have another opportunity to apply we won't get money until a year from now so it's incredibly disappointing all right I think we can go to a motion and one discussion is marked motion please hold on let me uh you can use the agenda item if yeah no I I was on the thing we can have speak and we don't have to vote if we don't feel like it's gonna yeah so move to uh execute the ma clean energy center renewable Energy Trust Fund membership agreement second hear C first thank you so now we're gonna have discussion yeah so what what are our options just to to be clear so option one is we we could sign it right we could do that now and if we decided we didn't want to do that what other options do we have here the 21st the date you're talking about that's June 21st like Yeah couple days great um and the next opportunity would be end of this year and the biggest disadvantage of that is any funds that we could have received in 25 24 24 disappear we would probably receive funds next May or June if we get in we receive funds next marriage got it so it's a year away and is U Mass Cc or any of these other folks are they willing to be more helpful and understanding that the are kind of their lateness is what put us into this bind is there any discussion of that that they're saying oh okay we're going to work with you not really we we it's a local problem it's a local problem like there's been a lot of discussion it's a local problem it's not they're like no you're fine we're not requiring this we're just not requiring it so right so that's that's their side yes okay and um so so the net cost is we lose 2024 funds if we were to hang on we lose the initial Grant of about 160 or so and we would should have gotten that in September and then assuming we spent it we would apply an early 25 for up to $250,000 so minus one year go down a year in Q it's $160,000 essentially that we did get Chris thanks Carla U yeah to reiterate with just Mar Mark just said we lose 160 and we go down a year seems like we should all be saying yes right now then you read the four-page letter and my uh interpretation of everything since I've been on the select board is shielding the town from litigation I am not voting on this I'm not voting on this since we got an email at 4:00 and now I understand the deadline 21st it stinks it is what it is but to get a a four-page uh legal analysis that I'm supposed to read at that we get at 4:00 for a 7:00 meeting is not happening ever I would I would always want the discussion before the vote like we've always had the catch with this is the 21st deadline but our our house is not in order and I am not going down the path of opening up the town to litigation I'm sorry we're going to lose the money we uh the four of us voted for Green community stuff multiple times back in the day we all want it to happen it's we're beating a dead horse I understand I I I am not opening us up to litigation so it's unfortunate I I but it is what it is like litigate really who would it's it that we can't selectively choose when we want to interpret with IFA says out of the countless um memos that she's always given us I don't think I've seen it pointed out here that in such Clarity that you guys are going to make a mistake yeah let that's not so going down a bad path yeah let's let let's I I I don't agree with all his words per se but I I don't feel comfortable voting on this okay so why don't we just table it okay all right do I need a motion to table it or can I just table it no don't need a motion to table it all right this last agenda well I guess do we get minutes Kaitlin I'm sorry did we get minutes no no no I'm I did not and then we don't have uh future agenda on here that we should yeah I noticed that that is my fault I did it on purpose because it was a big agenda not have future agenda yeah no Okay so uh we I can pull up the um you know the future agenda sheet that I usually send you that'd be great because we have we have to discuss another meeting something else so we have the uh complaint and the response uh in our packet and I I I just wanted to make sure that you know we can have a discussion we canot have a discussion but it was suggested that the the response you know should be made public and it didn't it seemed kind of weird just to put it in the packet and not have any discussion about it so that that's why it's here it's not because um it was needed uh but by our bws or anything or oml it was just like it was going to be weird just to have it in the packet and not have any discussion so uh that's why it's in here and I'm just going into a particular sentence um so in in in in Cameron's response uh in the letter I'm just I'm just picking out one sentence because it's you know it's in her words um I I quote I did not speak to any select board member about the town manager selection vote and I never share the details of what I learned in this call with any other select board member um after what I heard today a public comment I I I would uh that's very contradictory of what is in here and that's what I'm going to say right now yep so a couple things one um The Next Step here has nothing to do with us at this point it's the Attorney General if Mr derer is carrying it forward that's where it should rest whatever allegations individuals may make they it's all they are if that's part of the discussion that that's going to take place with those folks that's their right but we the danger that I see us walking into is is trying to hear one bit of information make a decision based on that bit of information try to be judge jury and executioner and first of all that's an appropriate second of all that's not this town is never going to move ahead if we if we want to just play it with words and start making noise and doing all sorts of things and I Fe that's kind of where we are right now this we responded there's a process that goes forward from here that's it y if we hear back from somebody from the attorney general then we have to do something that's fine I I don't disagree but lying's not okay either you can't so hearing a person make an allegation constitutes only an allegation okay Melissa the thing that I was handed at 7.m certainly not okay um I think you should read this because I do worry that if this goes to the AG we could be in trouble with what was sent with our reply and Karen's letter then then that's then that's what it is yeah I just think that we need to be aware that what we replied with with the information we were given and Karen's letter attached now this public records information um we I I don't know how that's going to roll out nor do any of us and so I think that there's a process and that's where it is anyone else Chris thanks Carla um yeah I mean I I understand that you know none of us expected to once again it's like the 4:00 email to get this dumped on us um at 7 o' I just I share Melissa's concern after just reading uh the first item that's in here Mark um I I understand where you're getting at people make accusations we've been down this road before I'm not going toate and belittle it but when we're discussing Clancy Maine and uh Matt cornellis and other candidates that are listed here that is problematic and it's not just me saying it it's Karen saying it and Jackie that is a problem so uh I don't know where we go from here I don't I I I don't know if the Attorney General gets involved what happens the scenario I just know what we submitted to them with the first screenshot in this thing is going to drive and I don't know what that means for I thank you I agree with Marco it's it's we're not you know we're our own body and and and we make we vote and we do Town's business it I I I'm pretty sure we got an email that this is going to the AG's office to to Mark's comment I'm pretty sure it's going to the AG's office so I I didn't get anything um but it it is it is sorry it is um it's going to the AG's office so again I I I don't know I I I got this handed as well I I I I I I heard the comments and I glanced at it I did not read it myself and that's not part of our uh 10:30 agenda item so I just uh I just I just took a line from the response which is part of the agenda item uh and that's all I did I have no other comment I don't want to we're not going to discuss uh public comment because we don't do that so that's for you know a down the road um issue on on on whoever's going to bring that forth so I I think we have a lot of issues here to discuss as a board but we're not going to do it now so uh we don't have any minutes but uh you all received an email about an complaint and we need to respond by a date certain so the email went out um and and four of us responded that uh it's pretty uh I'm gonna I'm only pulling up my phone for this that four of us uh Chris flexible um if there's a zoom Melissa flexible Zoom Mark Zoom only in the only the morning if the morning H and car didn't respond what email are you talking about about having a meeting to to respond to the complaint yeah I don't know what email that is Kaitlyn sent when did she send it yesterday I believe it was yesterday is a special meeting on it is yeah no I didn't see it but I am getting drowned out by the no to nicotine emails yeah and I've been talking to I about this I can't do my job getting drowned oh there it is special meeting sorry Monday 1:37 p.m. so we we we there a date that we need to respond okay so we had a and I didn't see the open meeting law complaint either so I'm sorry I need to catch up I was this is ridiculous I my inbox is almost full I was supposed to meet with Kevin today to like resolve that so I haven't seen the open I have an issu as well but okay put that aside we're all having the same issues nicotine thing you guys want to bring me up to speed like we had an oml violation filed against us so who sent it can I uh did Laura gem send it to us sh sorry can I say just for the moment we just looking at dates next week yeah we're looking at dates next week we have to respond to this complaint so we have four of us um I I didn't respond sorry because I I'm initiated the the the uh the email to so we have a meeting I am uh pretty open I I I I have a week off from pickleball lessons I I my nights are open I have a lot of days that are open so I am flexible via Zoom um or or in person uh whatever we can do is it's we going gonna be going to an executive session if I could do zo I said I could be at any time too yeah and that and that's so Karen what's your availability next week if something as fun as this let see I do we have a day in mind yet Nar everybody everybody's pretty flexible Mark Thursday morning the 27th work Mark is uh suggesting a morning meeting and I I I am not opposed that at the moment I can do Thursday morning yep would have to confirm with IA but Thursday morning at what time any all these people what 91 well 9:30 works for me but School wait School the YMCA drop offs Etc so I thought I'm good with 9:30 like Mark said on Thursday 9:30 Thursday I'm sure oh I found it it came in on Saturday Okay Okay so Thursday 9:30 Y is that an agreement and then we're going to contact IA if she can make just so that to be preemptive strike is any other day or later in that day or another morning for Mark's request uh a no a non-starter I guess let's see are there any days or non-starter in case every has a meeting or a conflict Thursday afternoon would be really I wouldn't be able to do Thursday afternoon but we do anytime between 9:30 in the morning till no is that is that on Thursday no other days as well possibility Cas because if it wasn't so I'm I'm looped in I'm away I earlier is always going better for me on those days rather than later at 9:30 I'm happy to do but there's no days you can't do it in the morning right now uh for next week that you prefer not to do it I guess this is my question I can't do it Tuesday and I have a let's make it Wednesday or Thursday how about that all right so Wednesday or Thursday at 9:30 yep I'm flexible both of those mornings is that okay y all right and uh so that we'll have that as an agenda item uh we'll do it on Zoom is that safe and uh I I'm going to add one more agenda item to that meeting it would be to reappoint uh a member of the select board to the kilum school building committee so that'll be two agendas on that meeting so as a discussion huh as a discussion as a discuss and vote so we don't background well we're just doing future agendas so the next week meeting you yes the next weeke talking about yes so what we out to every year Wednesday or Thursday yeah Wednesday or Thursday is it a preferred day of the two okay Thursday Thursday all right so mat Thursday Thursday's preferred and Wednesday's our fall back okay all right so uh August 20th I see on there August 20th the kiosk update like do we have like a a general update I thought it was the 16th like are we waiting until August for like the next update or are we doing this no we're we're dealing with the vendor right now on it um it's been delayed obviously um but I think we're getting it back on track I can't give you the firm date yet so that is unrelated to yeah we just had that on as a placeholder yeah just a just a that was GNA be like hey how's it going you know but you know mat your chair is casting a shadow oh I'm sorry we added a meeting for July added a meeting no oh no that's not us okay sorry if I Mist well we're trying to get a meeting with the rctv board yes and then that's trate okay July 16th yeah and and I'm going to suggest based on the uh Recreation me Mee uh last night that we move Ice Arena uh to July 16th Caitlyn and see if they're available well you can leave it there for now I guess but I'm just saying that based on last science conversation at wreck that we try to get ice arena if available in July and then August is the backup we're also going to need an executive session on the 16th for um some litigations EX okay yeah we we were going to try to do it tonight but the the agenda got too long okay July 16 yeah okay so in theory we weren't wait meeting until a month from now correct no in theory not in theory in in except for next week yeah yeah well that that came that came out of the blook that counts that came out of the book that came out of the right anyone else want to add anything ready for a motion yeah motion to ATT turn second all in favor I did it before 11 for e