welcome to the zoning subcommittee of the Rivier city council for March 25th 2024 all rise and salute the flag please I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God visible for liberty and justice for all roll Club of the members councelor Greeno SAA here here councelor Kelly here here councel noeli here here councelor sylvestri here here and chairman Zam buo here here Quorum is present there's one item on tonight's agenda that's for special permit application for 35 Franc Street okay is there anybody here uh for please name an address for the record please first time here first name arath last name Ali 35 Fran Street rev mass and I'm the owner oh fantastic okay um so you want to quickly tell us what you're trying to do there or yeah for sure so we have I have a 4unit uh property we want to do Renovations we want to extend the bedrooms uh we're not uh extending any Square square footage or anything we just kind of want to do a full update on on the full property there okay uh and improving the quality there yeah well you probably going to have to bring a lot of things up to coding here but I'm not the building inspector correct exactly yeah we're going to do you know all the electric the heating and all that stuff yeah yeah probably firearms and all that exactly exactly yeah okay um I guess I'll open this up to members Mr chair Council novski councelor yes sir thank you um we had a neighborhood meeting and uh we had I think five or six uh residents show up and over 30 were invited and you know just the immediate neighbors were the ones that showed up and they had some concerns about parking and they were asking about the building and uh we had to explain to the folks that this is going to be a total gut job total gut everything you know all it's going to be left of the 2x4 when you when they go to rip it apart you know new siding new inside um go into three-bedrooms the rooms will be smaller than they are now you know knowing what they have now which is two-bedroom and they are it's a good size apartment uh all four of them are and but the biggest biggest issue was the parking and um you know knowing that it's potential to have three adults there and potentially uh 12 cars in one building and he does own the building next door you know adjacent to what what we're talking about so um we uh we discussed it and tonight I just talked to Ali and uh you know we we decided that um he would he would agree to us limiting the number of permit resident permit parking stickers to one per unit so we can include that on the on the uh uh considerations and everything so that's a great concession CU that eases some of the people that have called me that makes them feel pretty good exactly exactly I agree with that and it will not be a rooming house he is going to be rented to families correct yeah it's only going to be family family family oriented defitely units definitely a big investment for you correct Ali did you say you going to allow one one affordable housing unit yep we're more than happy to do that correct wonderful so okay you know I I think it's a it's a good thing so far for a small neighborhood and that's wonderful you know I think those are good considerations good very good any other members any other members I just Kelly thank you I just wanted to say that I'm I'm happy that you're going to be putting in that one affordable housing unit I think that's great um and you did seem to do an extensive um was this an engineering report that you had done done by uh the engineer correct okay great so everything will be up to code fire safety all of that the full line Y great okay thank you awesome thank you councilor sylvestri thank you Mr chairman uh the question was kind of answered already and mind mine was going to be are is these going to be single families that rent these or is it going to be rooming individual but you answered that question and uh I'm in support thank you thank you you're good okay um anyone else you're good okay yeah motion to approve awesome thank you guys with conditions with the following conditions each unit shall be limited to one on street parking permit and one visitor pass and the one condition from Frank stringy city planner the owner must complete a chapter 34 review by a registered architect and each unit shall be brought up to code including fire safety building and health codes to be approved by the fire department dep and the health department shall the zoning subcommittee offer a favorable recommendation to the city council uh to Grant the relief requested subject to those conditions councelor Gino SAA yes yes councelor Kelly yes yes councel noeli yes yes councelor sylvestri yes yes and chairman zambuto yes yes the special permit has received a favorable recommendation there's no further business thank you very much awesome thank you guys there's no further business that concludes the zoning subcommittee e e e e e e e e e e e e e good evening welcome to the March 25th appointment subcommittee meeting could everybody stand and salute the pla uh flag please the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you very much roll call of the members councelor renzio here here councelor janino here here councelor Kelly here here councelor zambuto here here and chairman McKenna here here Quorum is present first appointment on the agenda is communication from the mayor relative to the appointment of vivana katano to the Board of Health vivana here could you come up to the mic please could you just state your name and your address for the record Viviana katano 178 Mountain have and I see you're going on to the Board of Health could you tell me a little bit about yourself uh your experience of you know why you think you're a good candidate for this uh position sure so I have been living in the city of Rivier for close to 17 years 20 I go by my oldest child um I work for Mass General Hospital for the past 13 years I have been working in the public health Theo for about 20 uh and during my time working for the Coalition I have received uh numerous trainings on policy system and environmental changes that promote Health in our community usually I find myself on this side of the podium um advocating for positive policy changes around tobacco policies substance use disorders mental health health eating and active living and I feel like I have a lot of experience on this topic that I would love to bring to the community thank thank you very much we're going to uh vote this in all um in favor at the end um but do a good job for the city thank you very much for coming up here thank you oh for all of them okay all in favor all opposed for a favorable recommendation so ordered next appointment is that of Bernardo sea to the Conservation Commission state your name and address Berard please for the record yes uh Bernarda 330 Reservoir Avenue and Bern why do you want to be on the Conservation Commission well um I have been rier resident for 12 years U I have a couple kids I would love to uh teach them you know to be involved in the community uh so that's one of the my motivations and also I like to be involved in decisions in the city and this is a great opportunity great thank you we have a big um decision coming up with the high school and uh a lot of it around there is conservation land so I hope you do the right thing do a good job for the city thank you very much yes sorry go ahead uh I know uh I know this gentleman for many years he's a person of int rity we're lucky to have him volunteering to come to a position like this and I'm I'm thrilled to support him thank you councel councelor C Leandro thank you madam chair I just want to Echo what council Zan buo said um I also just want to ask make sure please that you uh educate yourself in the wetlands protection act that is a pretty much that entire job is knowing if it violates or doesn't violate that and that's how you make decisions on that board and just you know again this we've always had trouble with keeping people on this board so but I know you're a good man so just make sure you you go to those meetings and as Council meenon said do a good job for the city thank you anybody else Council a jenil thank you I'd like to Echo uh what council Zan buo and councelor cogliandro said I've gotten to know Mr seader over the last year I think he'd be an excellent choice for the Conservation Commission I'm full support of it thank you councelor councelor janino sorry to m good okay thank you do a good job for the city all in favor all opposed so Ed next appointment is of Dr Craig castanza to the planning board hi doctor could you name um your name and address for the record please yep uh Dr Craig ganza I 24 baitman AV rever Mass thank you and and what brings you to the planning board that you want to uh participate in this well I my family's been part of the city for many years I live here I work here uh I was on the board of directors for the Chamber of Commerce many years ago I was on the board of health and the city has been great to my family so anything I can do to to help to serve and help great that's wonderful thank you any councilor zuto again I've known this gentleman for many years Dr castaner is a a person of integrity and uh we're lucky to have him still wanting to serve after all these years and uh we're very grateful for your service and I'm very happy to have him thank you thank you Council councelor uh cogliandro thank you madam chair this one's kind of a no-brainer just finished up five or six years on the board of health transitioning to the planning board I think you're going to do a great job thank you thank you councelor anybody else councelor janino um counselor um aeno I'm sorry thank you uh Madam chairwoman I've known uh Miss Dr castanza for a lot of years and he's done an excellent job on the board of health and I'm full support of this I think he do an excellent job on the planning board thank you councelor councelor janino again Dr C has been around many many years excellent job full support of it thank you do a good job for the city thank you all in favor all opposed awarded next up is Garrett Sullivan to the planning board state your name and address for the record please Garrett Sullivan 193 perv thank you very much you're in my ward um and I met you just tonight thank you for introducing yourself uh why do you want to be on the planning board so for the last decade or so I've been living all over the place been overseas for a few years bouncing back and forth in Massachusetts and Riv is really the first place I've called home you know I hope to put down Roots here so I'd like to give back get involved um and I do program management and project management for work I think that skill set could be relevant to the planning board so join great I think that's wonderful any yes councelor Cog Andro thank you madam chair am I reading this correct you you work for Ron and you're doing a missile defense yes sir do you have security clearance yes course um I think you just meet the qualifications of the plan thank you any other counselor thank you very much for coming up here do a good job for the city thank you all in favor all opposed so AED on the appointment of Derek Martinez to the public art commission hi Derek can you um state your name and address of the record please push the button yes my name is Derek and um the record oh uh 85 Bay Road uh apartment one thank you thank you and uh this is dear near and dear to my heart can you just tell me why you want to be on the um public Arts commission um I want to be on the public Arts Commission because um I think uh River needs a lot more color to it and um a lot more attractions because um students like going to like the graffiti places and just like Lynn has a bunch of beautiful art I think uh Riv needs that as well we certainly do we're a little behind everybody else but we certainly do well I think it will be wonderful to have you on the committee is anybody that would like to speak well thank you for coming up here and do a good job for the city and you'll be we'll be in touch okay thank you all in favor all opposed next up is the appointment of an Marie fiori to the commission on disabilities hi Amar can you just state your name and address for the record anmie Fury through ellton Street and how come uh what makes you come on the uh Commission of disabilities uh so a little bit of mix of personal and professional um I was the legal guardian I had an Aunt Carol who was lifelong resident a r and she was um due to an injury at Birth she was mentally and physically disabled her whole life so at the age of 19 I became her legal guardian um and then in my early 20s I was one of her primary caretakers for uh the remainder of her life until she passed away about 7 years ago so I have kind of the personal experience of what a disabled person faces day-to-day and what their family members face dayto day um also on a professional level I hold my real estate broker's license in Massachusetts so part of that is is having a a general knowledge of the Ada the American Disabilities Act um by no means am I an attorney or know the law inside and out but I do have a general knowledge and I'm willing to learn you know anything that I don't know thank you for for your commitment and I'm sorry for your loss um any counselors councilor zimuto uh I I don't really know this woman but I her personal story and credentials are unbelievable so I think she'll be fantastic on the thank you any other counselors just do a good job for the city and thank you for your commitment thank you all in favor all opposed so awarded up next is the reappointment of John Hurley as the Harbor Master hi John can you state your name and your address for the record please uh John Hurley three fer R and John uh just tell me a little bit about habam master well I've been on been a habam master for 25 years now um I started out as an assistant I am the head H Master now um we perform duties on the the water just like the police but for the ocean and you know and where do you um do these um uh Pines River Riv Beach oh so you're all over the place in re yeah great yep absolutely great I think this is a great uh 25 years long time any uh counselors would like to speak no we're going to just do a good job for the city thank you for your commitment and we're going to um vote for you all in favor all opposed so ordered and lastly communication from the mayor relative to the reappointment of Paul baraso as assistant Harbor Master is Paul here no he's not okay so we're GNA um put this in we're going to table it again I think that's that's no other business so I think that's it so thank you all for coming up here and thank you for your commitment and we're going to adjourn thank you e e e e e good evening everyone and welcome to the committee of the whole subcommittee for March 25th please rise and salute the flag the flag of the United States of America and to the repblic for it stands one na God indivisible with liberty and justice for all roll Club of the members councelor agenzio here here councel janino here here councelor Gino SAA here here councelor H here here councel hero is absent councelor Kelly here here councelor McKenna here here Council noeli here here Council sylvestri here here Council zambo here here and council president cogliandro here here cor Miss present there's one matter on tonight's agenda and that is the double poll meeting with uh National Grid anyone here on behalf of National Grid good evening ma'am name and address for the record please good evening Tammy saparo I'm the community manager National Grid covers rier um my home address is 21 Rolling Lane in Framingham welcome thank you I I have some information I handed out uh Ashley handed out a packet for me um the individual that was supposed to be here had a personal so I wanted to make sure we kept the meeting and I do have some information to go over with you the first page on the packet is just some general information with reporting gas leaks uh new Gas Service Electric outages and just customer service in general so in the event any constituents neighbors yourself need numbers at hand you have them on this page my information is here my um counterpart that helps me with the city of Rivier Elena her information and my director Susan Griffin is also Al on this page now the next page is the listing Well it's five pages or six pages actually is a listing of double polls that we have completed in the city of Riv and it starts January 2023 up to the start of March U March 6th or so these have all been completed fully and with the double pole situation it's joint ownership on for many utilties ities National Grid I believe eversource is set up the same way where we install a new poll and Verizon or another contracted utility removes the old pole that's part of the problem with joint ownership is we can do our part that doesn't mean they do their part timely and this is what ends up happening um but this listing just gives you an idea that we have made some improvements and it's still going forward we will do more um I also included Beyond this report a page that has engines on it now I don't know if the committee's familiar with what engines is it's a National Organization it's used by National Grid Verizon eversource all the utilities and what this does is track and ticket the process process needed to remove wire and transfer wire everybody and anybody uses engines and that's what holds up many of the transfers where they don't get done they'll have something called Next Too and if that next too person or grouping doesn't move their wire everybody else is at a standstill so this just gives you a snapshot of what it is the websites on this page so if you'd like to look at it and understand not that you would have to do any type of training but you can see that it is a process um this way it gets tracked and it's on a national level the next page I gave you is a snapshot from the current double pole report and this is what I mean by engines where there's a listing that shows the quantity of polls and who owns them so for example the first one has a a label of CM ctsb that's Comcast so there are 15 wire transfers that need to be done by Comcast and it and so on so National Grids on here we have 29 right below us there's a 26 and that's a nonparticipating third-party attacher so that could be uh a cellular company it can be a that's what they call them a third party attacher similar to like xnet or light Tower where they ask permission they put their wire on but then they don't transfer it we have a group that handles a lot of the third party uh information and the process and they monitor some of this that's who I was hoping to have here this evening unfortunately the individual couldn't get here there was situation um but this gives you a breakdown behind that is the current list of double polls so the grand total of this is 90 double polls this breakdown tells you who has what and that other two pages behind it is the actual current list all set ma'am yes thank you very much your presentation going to open it to counselors counselor sylvestri thank you Mr President and thank you for coming up tonight um the engines system yes um if let's say Comcast is next up and they don't move on it is there anything to keep them accountable is there any type of besides the system saying hey you have a a ticket up is there a fine towards the companies is there anything that puts them in Jeopardy or or or holds them accountable to making that happen in a reasonable time not that I'm aware of no and and we do like with some of the third party attachers the group I was speaking of they will contact them and say we see on this list you're next to go we're waiting on you you know try to prod them along if we've got relationships um because in that system itself you can literally see these abbreviations and you know who's next for example this nine of them on here listed as rever fire so if that's outdated um wire that they put up at some point in time and no longer need they would just have to and maybe it's you know not no longer used just have it removed and then complete that step then the next person would be able to do their transfer we got to make sure we get our own thank you counselor councelor janino hello thank you for coming tonight uh I understand natural grid owns the polls now so do you have a when when Verizon comes in Comcast comes in and other do you have a list of all the people that that are on the poll with you in Communications so we know say I called you up and said all right the poll's been in now six months you guys came out you moved the power wires and do you have a way of knowing whether it's phone wires cable wires or fire wires to be move next yes and also give contact for who we we have someone we can call and say all right we talked to National Grid they said they came out they did their part they're waiting on Verizon to come back now we turn around and say we need a Verizon contact right this do you have a Verizon contact or is it we we do I I know um Stan yovich which I think everyone probably knows him he does similar type of role that I do so he would probably direct it to his internal folks if they're next to move as far as getting the wire actually transferred on our end of it many times if there's a motor vehicle accident for example we're out there immediate yeah put in a new pole get electric wire set up so the individual is not without power yes um but from there then the other stuff that has to be transferred that's what this engines type system does is say it's Comcast it's Verizon it's a third party but is there a way we can contact you and you say to us listen the wires of the the pole are R fire wires once they move their wires we come out and get rid of it is there contact we can that we can call someone so we can get them mov in that way few people or is it basically just waiting it it's somewhat of we're hoping to we're working on I should say not myself directly but they're working on a improving the way the system works because as you're pointing out there's no accountability what happens is you come up here you get beat up yeah all right right and then you turn around you say well the problem is R fire the fire wires went in they they removed our wires Verizon came in Comcast came in now we wa a fire to come in now and you tell us all fire got to come in so we turn around say to May listen we need the fire department to go move move the wires that pole comes down and then it works a little smoother but we need to know who to contact to find out who's next on the list right on the polls that have been there for a while you know not not the motor vehicle accidents happened yesterday last night it's the stuff that's been there for 2 3 years right and some of and some of those were probably motor vehicle accidents or situations that occurred and has never gone beyond a certain point that's the problem we run into and we don't control because we can't move their stuff they can't touch our stuff it's a lot of very proprietary wire handling but I I completely agree and many cities and towns don't have someone who manages the and situation as far as like rever fire they gone in there they have the wire up but that could be from 5 10 years ago but there is no there is no phone number to call it to find out who's next on the list it's just a matter of it's the matter of the system itself so we have to get some of a fire in here some of Verizon in here right Comcast in here we get a team together so listen you guys are responsible and we're going to deal with you five people whatever for your wi and go from there with it exactly all right thank you exactly thank you councelor councelor McKenna thank you uh Tammy thank you for coming up tonight um I have to say that uh the last time National Grid was here uh we had more than 90 polls I had um uh double polls for 18 years in my ward so this is a great Improvement I think it's a great Improvement I just want to know what's butt in and well and in pole top I mean that's kind of funky but uh you know yeah it sounds like a strip club right but um what is but in in pole top that's the condition of what they describe on the report as where the pole the status of the pole so for example butt in means it's still in the ground okay and pole top may be where it's been cut and has been attached to the newer Pole where it's not top and sometimes it's even literally just just the top and maybe um 4T of pole that's been attached and just hanging by the wire isn't that um dangerous uh is it so solid that's it's not going to go anywhere it's not because they secure it but unfortunately when they're doing it there's no way to leave the wire except that way and they may cut the pole because the damaged pot is what they're taking away so that nobody actually it falls on anyone or something like that to make the area safe they'll leave just that piece at the top that nobody else can get at and I I just want to say one last thing I've called you a number of times with um a number of problems and and you've gotten right to them or you directed me to a place um where I could call um if they were cable wires or whatever so thank you very much for that I really appreciate you you know getting back to me even if you kind of it's the phone so thank you for coming up here and and this is great I I just think it's great so you're welcome and I felt badly that I hadn't been here already to at least give information and that's why we had planned for today I'm like I'm going to at least bring information and explain because many people aren aware that it has to go through a system well I don't think the new we have a number of new counselors and and so I mean I've been on the council for nine years now so I understand this whole process but some of them don't so this is a good process you know for them to learn so thank you very much you're welcome thank you counselor councelor H thank you Mr President hi Tammy thanks so much for being here tonight um I'm a little curious about the engines system has there been I know you said it it's usually a joint effort has there been one specific company that has failed to hold up their end of the bargain more so than the others um I would like to assume that some of the third party attachers don't have as much stake in the game so to speak right you you know it's us it's our power we want to make sure the power's on we try to do our part and then it has to wait Verizon so so because same thing many of their things now are FiOS and underground they're not even utilizing the wire that's at top so the cable companies and the third parties I don't think are as um diligent if as we you know and and as much as this is an issue not only in Riva other cities and towns all across the state um nobody or very few I would have to say if any have a group that just handles this so if my guys have time they they put on the work packages for that day to go remove or address some double polls that's taking away from potentially other work so a lot of times we try to do it maybe either in winter months this winter we didn't have a rough winter um to get ahead and that's why just keeping on the list to see what we can do that's easy work and it's not where we're leaving wire or leaving a pole top and leaving it that we we don't choose to leave it that way we contractually can't remove the other one thank you thank you thank you councelor Council am buo uh thank you Mr President uh Tammy thanks for being here tonight I'm one of the ones that have been here a long time so I know you and I've dealt with you and you've been terrific and and so has Stan ukovich and so has um Angela from Comcast a lot of my new colleagues don't know the the system so I'm going to ask a couple of questions for the newer people okay uh is the engine available to all of us updated engines itself the engines system oh yeah you could I know I knew the answer to the question but I had to ask it yeah you could log on there's training videos there's training classes that they give um I can log in look at reporting I don't enter anything but we have clerks that when the poll is replaced the clerks create the tickets and do that process that's how we keep track and try to dwindle down the list yeah I guess I'll ask in way uh so the the the counselors have access to this updated information if they want correct you'd have to create a login for the actual engine system okay yes so that's what we need to know we need to know how to create a log in yep because I go to you when I go to stand and I I don't log in so these these people can do no and even providing an update like if you would like it on a monthly basis we can pull an update and um I I can submit it send it to clerk yes that would be great let everybody you know give everyone a copy I didn't want to just send the report because we had made such improvements and I wanted to give better explanation to the criteria of who's outstanding and what the what the acronyms mean you find them in there but it's I'll tell you one thing we've come a long way in 20 years this is this is streamlined and this is this is what I think the vision was back then so this is terrific and and uh so it it's all available but if you can give an update to the clerk once a month would be great for us definitely do that thank you thank you counselor counselor Areno thank you uh Mr President I just want to say thank you uh to Mr zaro uh as superintendent I work very closely with her and she was always very responsive to me and it was a great working relationship and and and thank you welcome thank you councelor councelor noeli thank you Mr Mr President uh Tammy finally nice to meet you same here U but I do want to give kudos to Alexa because she's been very good in some of the issues that I've reached out to her and very responsive and I thank you for your work um I do have one item you know there's a lot of items on here but I'm not going to break them down but I notice one is not on here oh okay 190 camel Avenue camel ca ca M Campbell Campbell okay and it's been like eight years okay you know it's a double poll yeah uh I'm not sure who's next in line on it uh but uh if you can I'm sure we can find out check that out you know you know I've noticed a lot of other doubles that I've been aware of um and there two things and I want to explain to some of the no new folks exactly how this works yeah okay I don't know if you really they really got it but when a company whether it be National Grid or Verizon or kcast when they finish doing their transfer they actually go into this ninja package and say listen we did our work and it automatically bounces down to the next so councelor janino we don't have to call every time something is done they do it automatically so notify the next line they should they should yes okay don't say they don't the question was if if we could find out where the system is at not where this list this list will show you where it's at of who's next in line now if somebody didn't do their job and it still shows National Grid that means somebody from National Grid didn't go on go into that program and say completed and then the next guy Comcast would go in and say oh we're next on that line they cut an order to do their job up so you know it can be complicated time but also I noticed RN is not on here unless unless they run the summit on some other title un right which they may be and that's why I said the the um legend that I typed out the names so that you understand the abbreviations but finding the list and RCN may be in that list as something else they sometimes have more than one name like for example Light Tower light to fiber they're also known as CR crown castle but that's not their acronym in this system yeah who do they Supply do you know it's a third party attacher I don't yeah because I know I know R fire has this yep and and I think uh um and like the first one that's on the actual report is listed as the next to go np3 PMA which is a nonparticipating third how attach it right so to to track down and find out who that is and I think in fire I think uh Captain Captain um Wolf Gang you know handles R fire as far as reaching out to their contract they we have a private contract that it does their work okay um and I don't know I think R police has has a line also somewhere uh but I don't know what they're called or who handles that okay but uh in general you know it's uh I know know we have some longterm things on here yeah and uh I just I just hope we can uh kind of start clearing them up because I know National Grid gas has a lot of their own things that they're doing other than normal house repairs or stuff like that but you know some of their long distance jobs where they're replacing the main lines is very difficult for us you know because they don't leave the road in great shape no well and restoration will be coming back they if we leave it in a certain condition we now have a Restoration Group and we're working closely with Public Works in city right so it will get I've dealt with Matt L on a regular basis so yeah yep and Matt's on the gas side but the restoration gentleman has dealt directly with public works so I I think it will be a big Improvement now that we're going into the weather they can pick yeah I hope so yes because I know they Campell La is a disaster sure so thank you Mr President thank you counselor counselor Kelly hi thank you for coming tonight I am one of the newer counselors so if my question doesn't make sense I apologize but I'm just wondering in your process where you contact the next to go as you call them um and then what's the process after that if you don't get a response is it customary that it's you know 30 days 60 days 90 days you contact him again is there anything that we could do if we could get that information and we know that say you've contacted a certain um company on this list and now we know yeah they were contacted 30 days ago and there's been no activity is there anything that we could do possibly then to to write them a letter or contact them to try to give them a nudge I am not sure just because the group that handles it as far as them tracking down the third party attachers that are just kind of very generalized called the third party attacher I don't know if they have a sequence and I know if we complete our ticket it goes to the next to go there I'm I want to say I'm 90% sure that they're flagged that they're now next as far as like an automated email but because I don't use this system on a daily basis I would really have to double check that for you okay thank you you're welcome thank you counselor permission to speak from the chair thank you um tra Tammy thank you for being here I think this is the nicest National Grid meeting we've ever had um my goal has been accomplished so I I just want to go back to the monthly update yeah I would I I want to just kind of bring that home I really would appreciate if that was something that came to fruition because I think we could all utilize that monthly update from you that'd be great and I'd like to eventually get that from everyone um also to go back to you know who who does each company answer to Is there a central governing body for utility companies is there somebody that you all answer to uh if things don't go correctly or I mean we're State and federally mandated the dpu overseas but the dpu is well aware of the double poll situations not only in National Grid territory but in other utilities territories because we're all playing catchup okay and I I I did have some double poles there was uh some Squire Road Ambrose street so y I saw them on there um but thank you very much for coming tonight I greatly appreciate it and I look forward to having you up here again not not every meeting you know every other no I do no and I'm glad the information is useful and I'll see what I can do to get more answers and at least provide a monthly update on the double pole report good or bad then you'll at least have the information thank you very much you're welcome there's no further business this meeting is adjourned