SC e e e e e e e e e e e e e e hello Steve e e e e I hey everyone hello hello Gale what did they do to you is that the eclipse it is I got Eclipse damage well I got Eclipse damage over my 45 years that's what happened yeah it's it's fine it's not like you know it just a a spot of concern that was removed um so they took a chunk out of my ear some years ago with a spot of concern yeah I am I'm hoping it he I just got done this morning I'm hoping it heals quick because um I have a I have a fundraiser to go to with like like a kind of semiformal event on on Saturday and I don't I don't think I can cover this with makeup I just go for sympathy go for sympathy you could put a big nose ring there that's right that's right I'll just I'll just put something else on my face to distract from what's Happening Here let's see so we are waiting on Jim we'll give him another minute or two since he is our our note keeper um but if he doesn't um uh show up I'll I'll do double duty so Craig did you have to come back from Portugal for the eclipse or not even uh I was back in time and we didn't go see the eclipse that and and not too trafficky wherever you went I hope oh we we timed it all perfectly we we got up we didn't leave till like 8:30 in the morning got to Waterbury which is like a half hour this side side of Burlington yeah and it wasn't too bad and on the way back we we hit the road at the second that it ended and we got out in front of everybody so a grad student of mine was very close to us um but decided to wait an hour or two before they left and it took them like eight hours to get home yeah yeah I we know a bunch of people who had that situation yeah yes I I was one of them as well oh no but there was it was a I don't know it didn't didn't leave till almost 8 at night like really late actually um for um because there was a like you know like an Afterparty and at a at a house I went to in Vermont and then I'm like yeah 8 CL it like the traffic should be cleared by then no it was didn't get home till 2 in the morning it was horrible it was it was the worst traffic I've ever been in my life yeah we made it in less than four hours oh wow yeah yeah that's great Dave you're looking like you're gloating about your uh uh we we went to viren's and it was not particularly crowded I mean there were plenty of people there but not crowded we were able to get a parking space mid mid day and uh and we hung out in vens per a while afterwards and then we were staying in Brandon which couple of town just below Middlebury so yeah we didn't have any problem that's the way to do it you all must be talking about the eclipse we are yes I wish I had um gone into the Northeast Kingdom because that there would have been less Cloud there was a little bit of mist in the you know in the upper atmosphere but and and the skies are perfectly clear there but Burlington was as close as I got so yeah I mean we saw the high clouds but it did not impact no no yeah too you might have seen the corona a little bit better though without the clouds I thought that Corona was spectacular where we were but of course it was it was the first Total Clips I'd seen yeah I know first and probably last I don't know not very many of them yeah what you gonna compare it to yeah where were you Gail uh Glover Vermont Oh Oh I thought of going there been to bre and puppet there over the years and thought that would be a good place yeah it was um yeah I I I was I was surprisingly moved by the whole experience I thought this is just not going to be like I I didn't I didn't expect to be um yeah just kind of OD by it and I was I was really I was really glad that I went it it uh yeah um so it would be you know I'm I'm already kind of thinking of going to Spain in two years like you know planning ahead like we are too we are too it turns out that it's going the center is going right over this town in Northern Spain where my grandmother was born oh wow and although we haven't been in 20 years my cousin goes there regularly so I'm I'm at least connected secondarily to a whole bunch of people in town so we're already we're we're committed we're going that's it oh great excellent I'll see you there Craig yeah all right yeah his relatives you've got it m Gail Yeah well yeah I so well you know it was going to be 90 something percent here and I'd seen a couple of eclipses in the 90% range and it was kind of well what's the deal but we decided to go for it and I mean there such a difference between 99% such a difference to totally differ totally it's so I'm really glad we did it and and I'm thinking the same thing H so should we go to Iceland it might be cloudy you know Spain that looks better but so uh yeah Spain gets less Cloud um 10% of the sun 90% is 10% of the Sun and that's a lot of light so yeah exactly yeah all right uh well we're all here so welcome Let's uh let's get started I'll say the little Spiel um so welcome to the uh what's the date oh April 17th meeting of the MLP board and Broadband committee I'm Gail Huntress MLP manager facilitating the meeting this meeting is fully remote participating also remotely we have MLP board members Jim Hemingway Graham sefon Steve Schmidt and Broadband Committee Member at large Craig Martin uh first order business is to approve the previous meeting minutes as sent amended by Jim um from March 20th so moved I second thank you all in favor of approving minutes I I great um all right well let's Dive Right In uh Ram Hut report we had some excitement at the hut we we we did um uh yeah so what was it a week ago or something Gail when yeah was exactly a week ago yeah Gail got a call at 7:30 or something from from HG who monitor the UPS as it turns out the the the temperature alarm in the UPS had gone high and uh when Gale got to the Hut um I think you said it was 88 degrees in the Hut y it was 88 it was interesting the the UPS warning is lower lower than ours we don't get a call from Simply fa safe until it goes above 90 um and so I didn't we we didn't we didn't get a pre-warning but anyway their UPS went off they called me it it worked uh I didn't even know that the UPS had its own internal communication that was a surprise to me um so so I went up there um and and just uh opened the door and and got both units running on cool and set the temperature down and waited a while until it dropped um set the run the exhaust fan as well did you run the exhaust fan or not you just reset the exhaust fan right you said yeah I said I said the exhaust fan lower um it was set at 95 that was kind of our cut off point of like I the Simply Safe was cut was set at 95 the exhaust fan was set at 95 so set that down to 90 um but got the exhaust F hadn't started running no it hadn't yet because it was it was set you know higher than than than what it was so um anyway uh did did all did that got the temperature lowered knew that it was okay and then um you know asked Graham to go and take a look to see what was going on the next day so I'll let Graham take it away from there yeah so I looked at the in the morning I looked at the um uh yeah so Gail had stabilized the temperature for the h and uh and so you know everyone went to bed um I didn't go in at that point but in the morning I looked and I saw that the from the energy metering um the online energy metering it showed that it had run a lot of power during the night and I thought okay I should go there straight away and see what is what is generating you know what is going wrong here even though I could see from Simply Safe that the hot temperature was holding steady um at the you know 75 de or so um so so I knew it wasn't a panic I wanted to see something's going wrong there and um and so when I went there um I found that uh uh uh because because Gala turned on both ACS that they were uh working hard against each other um at that point um they were both on automatic and um so I set them both to cooling um and um uh which you know this time of the year it makes sense to bman cooling because U because the Hut never um never uh never gets too cold now um but uh and I turned one of them off because one of them was sufficient to no I didn't turn one of them off I left them both in cooling one is now in lead position with cooling to 7 65 and the other is is in in uh follow up with uh cooling to 75 and uh and the reason uh the the the when the problem had Arisen when um when there was only one one there was only one AC running when it wasn't running properly when Gail went there um so it was it was doing something wrong it was HVAC unit number two was the only one on and it wasn't working properly obviously and it was in automatic at that point um so it seems to work in cooling mode and like I say now it's set up so that um so that the second HVAC unit will come in if it doesn't work and so we can kind of monitor that but um but Gale got um uh well Gail and I talked about it and who who do we want now to be our HVAC service contractor because we uh we know that we we needed to do a new um a new crowd um I won't repeat uh why um at this point but you all know and uh so um public PVE Pioneer Valley environmental um Gail saw they had good reviews and so um uh she lined them up and um and they came in um the next the very next day the very next morning um and uh and at that point um they uh they were very good you know I was there with them for a couple of hours and they answered questions even by the time uh they got there around 9: they left at Mid around midday and um and and that and I guess you got a an estimate for what they suggested for fixing um by um 12 12:30 or something is that yeah so um so I was impressed because they also looked at the uh the still um unrepaired um Mouse damaged uh hbac unit 2 um which um which uh which still doesn't have the louvers working because it's got the the um the cable that got chewed by the mice a year ago um even though we asked many times um we never no one ever managed to fix that so um so anyhow now both units so um they didn't fix anything with the um with the HVAC unit too um um because um because their um what is the um there their well it was working it's an intermittent problem and it's possibly intermittent in automatic mode um it seems to be working and it has been working for a week now every time I've looked um uh in cooling mode so not sure about that they have a good diagnostic relationship they they they will continue to look at the next time they come they're going to fix the mouse problem um that was damaged still um they're going to look at it more thoroughly they found that there had been Mouse in mice in the outside unit as well um there was evidence at least um of that which um previous D group had not um identified that so you know so they there could be a problem from that but any to to cut the story a little bit briefly I realized one of the things that happened um I realized that um you know remember when every every place in shutesbury owned by the town um that had a a generator um had an HVAC unit fail under you know from surge when the power came back or something some mysterious thing but the as surge if you recall a year ago nine months whenever it was um yeah yeah if um a surge that was local to the town hall shouldn't have done anything down at the fire station and so the other thing that occurred to me um and also when the power came back in the Hut um there was a UPS um rectifier problem um if you vaguely remember that as um as sheld found and had to replace something so the the thing that made me think about that um last Tuesday I guess it was was there had been a power failure just a few days before that and once again the generator had come back and suddenly the the HVAC unit that had been connected to the power um had not it was doing something weird so um it's it's circum substantial evidence but it's a few days um and mysteriously odd that but it did remind me that one of the things with generators when they come back on um if they have uh no no break in the trans in the transition then you have a gen you have the utility power running and 60 cycles and you have the generator that's running at 60 cycles and if there's no break connection then the the the automatic transfer switch is supposed to try and match up the phasing of that so there's no interruption but they can't do it perfectly and with spinning equipment um uh such as HVAC units and compressors um and fan units they're they're running in that in that Split Second of of of change over um there's the potential for them to have phase es and um search stuff and and all that so so anyhow I'm I'm going to I tried to look to see what um what ATS which we had exactly to find out if there is I know there will be the option of having a a 30 second delay um um and um and so that's but but I couldn't find the part number because um our uh our um the the bill that we got from uh from Pure said that the the ATS had been installed under a different um receipt and so I couldn't see what the uh what the part number was and when you look in the Hut you look at the ATS and you can't it's got a cover that doesn't really reveal much about what the um what the part number is so I guess there must have been a different invoice from petar around March um in 2019 that I didn't see or couldn't see um I don't know whether um Steve or or Gale if you're able to look that up but the Graham the um all the that material should be in the binder that is in the Town Hall in our um filing cab there all the Hut materials there's a big binder and so the the manuals for all all the various Hut equipment should be in there that's that's where okay well I'll look there as the last if if you just Google pic receipts or invoices there there must be another invoice that had a specific installation of the ATS I don't know why he didn't do it with the with the generator but he didn't do it with the generator something um so Gail if you want to just glance in your um invoices from parar the the first invoice had gone to um the Town Administrator so uh um so you know she forwarded it so it might be not from parar but it might be from Becky um so anyhow um I I'll hold on gra let me help me understand what what I'm looking for here so they automatic uh the the invoice that I'm looking for would be from 2019 in the spring when the Hut was being installed and built correct and the and the invoice would be for a um what does stand for ATS automatic transfer switch and petar looks like he might have sent it to Becky initially um and I'm I would think she would have forwarded it to you know to one of us or to you um and it'll have a part number yeah his his his his um his generator um uh invoice specifically says all the parts that he installs and then specifically says the ATS is not in this invoice because it got installed um you know in under another invoice so um so um and I will look I'll dig through the um the file if gr I'm quite sure it is a Coler ATS yes it has to be yeah it almost has to be yeah well there is another brand out there that specifically but it's nice when Cola yeah they like to talk to each other but I know that boric wanted to use the Coler one um Graham the unit two that's problem is which is the one that we just had repl place because of the UN one one okay so this is unit two I mean I think you you may be on to something here Graham this would be uh well it's yeah it's it's odd that it happens after every and we've had you know other people have had problem sex but of course you got a couple things here I mean yeah you've got motorized equipment and so you got the phasing with with electric motors but you've also got um sensitive electronic Electronics I mean I was just you know at my my nephew's house last winter and the heat wasn't working and it was because there was a problem with the motherboard I'm thinking you never used to have a motherboard on a furnace oh yeah and so I think yeah you got sensitive Electronics here and yeah a surge can can hurt that also now Pine Valley Equipment did respond to that problem by saying that their standard installation puts a surge protector at the at the connection point to each of the um each of those units and that that was in their proposal um to um to Gail I think uh um they said they were going to do that as so we don't currently have surge separate surge protectors on the No No and they said that's such a good idea that that silly not to have them so um so yeah so we'll be getting that um as a next as a yeah I think you said you'd approved the uh the The Proposal from PV right yeah so that'll be coming as soon as they have the parts I'm sure yeah it's not yeah it's not it's not going to be cheap it's going to be about $1600 to uh fix that Louver the the mouse chew Lou and then install surge protectors on both of them but I think it's a great idea because um yeah this is just going to keep keep happening and we need to we need to protect those those very at HVAC systems um so we'll get it done um gr just I understand how those HVAC units work so you have different modes you could put it in heat you could put it in cooling or you could put it in Auto right and so as Auto you give it parameters if it's below so much um going to heat mode if it's above so much go into into AC mode cooling mode yeah it changes from one to the other and but that and that seems to be what's not yes it did it wasn't able to do that and that's why that's why it overheated well that's that's what that's what it's it was in that mode when it went wrong and it was and it and it and and from looking at the power from looking at the power track it started doing something crazy at about 6 o00 and by 7 o' um the temperature had gone up enough in the hut for uh for hge to report you know to to Gail so so it looked like it only took an hour to to go nuts which is curious because not like it was real hot well I don't yeah and then and and then when when um you know because it wasn't working correctly in Auto um uh you know gal turned on the other machine in Auto and the other the other one held it down but they were fighting then when I came in when I came in the morning one was one was Cooling and one was Heating and um and you can see that on you know you can see that happen during the night it just you know took a lot of power to do that so um CHR the weather we've had has been up and down a lot so I can't think was it a hot day it doesn't no it made no sense whatsoever I I will send you later the months long energy track um it just shows you know the the normal Power is just goes up just you know up and down it hardly it toly ruls and then and then you get to this event the last week and and I did a screen save on it so I'll send you two pictures to uh to see the U to see that I mean it was a little curious that it yeah got so hot so fast I know yeah went up in an hour well we we I don't know when it really started going up but um but but you can see on the power graph that there was an hour of of um of the of something using a lot less energy a lot a lot more energy and that energy seems to have just gone into the Hut so yeah so that was uh um I would say um that um when when I found out what the HVAC um ATS sorry when I when I find out what the ATS is and what it what its options are we'll probably um you know we can talk about it again and we'll get pic to uh um if it's a simple option to switch it may be that there's a piece of Hardware that has to be um the um the the switching mechanism might have to go but it's it is a classic thing that um uh and it can happen at the beginning of even more so at the beginning of a power failure where you get two seconds or three seconds when the when the emergency generator doesn't pick up the load because it takes a few seconds to start and stabilize its own and at that point you can still have Motors that are spinning as generators in equipment in compressors and fan units um and um and they they they can be acting like generators you know and then you get the the the um the eight the the the the emergency generator slams into that like a like a truck and um and so that's you know it it's it's a good idea if you don't have to if you don't if you're not in a hospital where you you worry about lights going out and people dying under the under the scalpel then um then it's great idea to to just wait 30 seconds at least you know um U it's not it's it's yeah so yeah uh looks like Jim has a question yes I was wondering um Gail whether hgn or um sheld has any recommendations as to more units than this this pair of this pair of HVAC units that we have I mean they they just don't seem to be very reliable I mean I'm not surprised because as you said um um compressors don't like uh transitions uh shortterm transitions where the power drops out for a second and then comes back on again try unplugging your refrigerator when it's running sometime for a second and then plug it back in again and see what happens and many of them will just sort of lurch and stop and Gran and moan and do all kinds of weird things so um but somebody must make one that um uh that can withstand this kind of um I guess you'd have to call it abuse from our power system but I I I was wondering whether they they might um have any suggestions as to what units they have found to be completely reliable despite all all the power failures that we have yeah they they haven't uh I I haven't asked but they have you know haven't offered anything um if I remember right and maybe you guys remember we did something a little bit unusual in our Hut by actually installing uh Mini Splits that's not the normal way that these units are are are temperature controlled that there's I don't remember what it was but we kind of did out the math and said why are we you know installing this kind of like archaic um HVAC system when there's something more modern here and we decided to go with with a dual unit um solution to this and does anybody remember what what the other option is that many of the other towns used for their Huts just hbac and and it would have the same problem because like Jim says um generate compressors hate having the power slammed on and off it just it just does it's it's it's likely to damage a gen my dad used to repair them and yes it's the it is the so any any technology built on a compressor is going to have this challenge yeah okay so so therefore letting it just relax for you know 30 seconds or a minute um between um the power and you know as we all know the Hut's got UPS capacity for at least an hour so nothing's going to um if you were in the Hut you just the lights would go out it you know it's not a big deal well the UPS is for the electronics the UPS is the the UPS yeah you're right yeah for just the active equipment and not for the lights not for the not for the hpac and not for you so so a question we could ask an electrician is there some sort of a device you can put in front of a HVAC unit that says when you when you sense a power glitch um shut down for two minutes and then come back on again right there might be something like that right there absolutely are um Craig in fact in fact big big equipment places um they actually just um they they stage um they have they have a staging thing I can't remember the term but it's it's delayed delayed return of of various things so the load is the load is shared oh for that reason yes yes yes that's one of the re so so our electricians should know about this and we should just ask how much how much it would cost yeah highly recommended to do that shut down when there's a glitch shut them down for you know a minute or two and then let them come back on again that the which raises the question which raises the question of why don't the AC units have this as a built-in feature yes it's because it's because they they um heat pumps and and and you know the small hvic systems to get put in places like this are just like what you do for home and and homes don't typically have emergency generator um you know usually the power fails and you might have emergency generator capacity Craig but most no but homes do have power glitches right yeah they're getting more of it now no yeah no no um um and more and more homes have emergency generators too yeah yeah yeah it's true yeah because the power is becoming less reliable or we're more dependent on I don't know which but yeah the weather is becoming less reliable as well okay so um action item for that so should I ask pic if there is an option for some kind of piece of equipment that will shut down the power to our um mini splits in the case of power fluctuations sure okay or other or otherwise protect yeah yeah uh but we're getting these surge protectors put on them is that going to a fair bit of it 90 that'll that'll do 90% of it I have I I I I I'd be the surge protectors I I don't think is the answer I think shutting I think shutting them down for a minute and then letting them come back on again is is is the way to go I I would invest in that proposal rather than than the surge protectors let's that my understanding as well yeah yeah both both is not a bad proposition if their standard system has a surge protector right there then you know there are other surges that um that that um yeah as as we know lightning and stuff that'll come along the power lines so I I reckon I reckon their suggestion of search protection is is a good idea as well but yeah I agree we want to get we want to get some um timeout sort of option as well great and would would that kind of thing it would be the poric electrician or is that something that we should actually ask our new um HVAC vendor about is this an electrician thing or an HVAC person thing it's a good question yeah I could just ask both yeah you can you can you can ask the H you can ask the um HVAC people I think it's probably a little bit um it's it's it's something that pic definitely would know about and understand um uh but for if PV if PVE mostly does um houses domestic then um then they might not have an electrician that uh yeah ask PVE okay but yeah all right I I will do that but aren't we having looking up what the ATS is to see if there's a way to have boric either either change the program on that or install something so that it it leaves the power down until it stabilized wouldn't that Sol accomplish what we're trying to do that would get to 99% the only thing that that won't get is as Craig um acknowledged the the power bumps so um the situation where the power drops just for you know 20 seconds 10 seconds you know switching gaps um whatever it is that um that sometimes happens um they don't happen very often but um the generator doesn't come on um the power bumps I I I I'm not sure um I I guess I guess it's worth asking if if power bumps are not a problem for these sort of units then then the the ATS can can solve the problem though greme how about um an AC line conditioner for both units um I mean I I I I I swear by them I have them here on all my electronics and and you know and I've had lightning hit the hit the tree right outside my house and blow everything out and everything that was in back of those line conditioners kept on running and I I swear by them um is that like an is that like way running an inverter to no no well they it's a Ferro Ferro resonance circuit um you know they're you know they have a big Transformer and a big capacitor in there and and and and if the voltage drops or goes up or down they regulate that but um they I mean they they protect my delicate electronics and always have and and and every installation I've ever seen that uses them um you know has been extremely reliable and and you know for 150 bucks um it would be be very good very good and worthy protection I would think I I think that for something that can drive an AC unit it's going to be way more than 150 bucks yeah it's a much bigger amp load well the well they make them in you know 10 amp 15 20 amp sizes right right right so I mean there's no problem there you just have to get the right size right let's let's go with whatever petar and or PVE electrician Rec commends um uh because yeah I I that that does sound a great thing for for your setup because you know you it's it's like a a very very uh a very very capable surch protector isn't it what you're proposing but but if power interruptions are the are the problem that we're dealing with then that your your um your your um power conditioner doesn't doesn't carry over um Power gaps does it no no it's it's it's just for conditioning the line against all sorts of bumps and God knows what else um yeah yeah yeah now let's let's figure the uh um let's let's let's figure it's the that it's the it's the gaps in power and the sudden returns that that we're that we should be looking at right now because that seems to be the um yeah so I think the you know the one minute shutdown um in another that would be the way to go yeah Gail if you if if they if they talk gobble G to you I'm happy to uh consult with you on whatever they uh you know yeah what whatever they suggest they put it writing I love help navigating the goblook maybe a conference call would be the way to do it yeah I think I think I'm going to start with with emails so we can get it in writing with with you know part part numbers and recommendations and then if a further conversation is needed I'll I'll I'll pull Graham in um speaking of gobble um Graham I've been while we've been talking about this I've been simultaneously searching through poric invoices and um is it a is it a uh SE transfer switch yes he would have he probably would have called it if that was like a TH or 2,000 bucks or 3,000 um it's that that could be an SE transfer switch okay um why why did he not put it in it's a 2019 event right the reference you're seeing um it is I'm I'm I'm searching through the files and also um for that certain time period And I I found I found a quote but not the actual invoice that includes the the thing so all right great I will um keep up that search yeah it's got to be more than more than 1500 bucks and less than 5,000 bucks I don't know what I don't know what to transfer which installed cost some um all right uh let me pull up the meeting notes Here Again all right um all right so Maintenance and Service um last month for the month of March we had more tickets than usual a surprising amount we had 72 normally we hover around 45 um there was an ice storm in the middle of that so um that can account for for some of the um items um uh but Graham went through and uh figured out out of those 72 there's 45 uh tickets for internet and phone outages and 18 for just customer support and admin billing types of things so um there's also uh quite a few tickets that were follow-ups of the same people of like the same person called like two or three days in a row asking for um to see if their issue was solved or not um so um I think I I think this month is anomaly but it's something I want to keep an eye on because if people are calling multiple times to get the same issue solved then tech support may not be doing a wonderful job I I could imagine that during a storm time that uh that probably things do white longer and also also if people are in Black halls and and can't make can't phone except you know so they kind of end up in a bit of a black hole communication wise um and yeah so yeah it's one of our biggest challenges when somebody's internet goes out is there like there's no there's no way to you can't schedule an appointment you can't reach you can't do anything exactly right yeah what what yeah who do you complain to when you can't when when no one can hear you yeah um all right let's see um financially still still doing well uh we have about 61,800 in we'll say profit uh currently um and uh so we are looking good for the end of the year even with these extra expenses of the line moves which by the way I still haven't gotten the final bill for um our contract with New Salem is finally done that was quite the project but it's done it's signed um they are off and running um let's see um I've been in touch with Steve civan um our new DPW head who's also our new tree Warden um to do the annual tree um lookover and um so he'll try to do what the tree Warden is supposed to do which is get problem trees taken care of by National Grid and then um anything that uh they won't do um that he's he's going to try to take care of there's a stretch of the pelum Hill Road and the 300s um where power lines don't run that I guess is becoming more grown over uh that they do want to take uh take care of um and they do uh have a budget for tree Warden work on private roads which is was interesting to me um because I I I didn't think that that's how that would work but they apparently have have a have a budget for that um so I'm going to wait and see what he comes back with and see um just kind of what they're willing to take care of um and probably talk about some kind of cost splitting thing with them for any large projects that don't fit within their budget or really just benefit us that aren't a road hazard but things on our list that that need to get taken care of um and G does Steve know how to uh uh to to call on um or connect with um National Grid or or Verizon um on on getting trees dealt with obviously not in those areas where there's no power line but uh but he he presumably is uh has um has picked up on that as well right so you can ask him presumably as as as the true warden in my my uh email I I said you know please look over this list Mark anything that you can get National Grid to take care of and anything not then then we'll do so he he didn't say what's National Grid doing so IE he understands what I'm talking about he must have found them yeah yeah um let's see so um our progress on the digital Equity Grant is moving although not fast as you can imagine I'm meeting with furog about once every two weeks and um we've got the draft of the survey done kind of kind of the Rough Draft so next steps are that it's going to be produced in actual survey form and then um I'll solicit feedback from some of our town stakeholders like all of you um probably maryan at the library um ask just going to ask if any of the select board wants to give us feedback on it um and um uh just to flag is there anything else on the survey that we should be asking about that we're not um and then we're we're going to try to get it out to people around um uh like the be the beginning of Summer um before everyone kind of you know goes on summer vacation and things and uh Jim had ask um how are we going to get people to actually do it and I'm actually not so concerned about getting people to do it we still have a lot of Goodwill in town when Broadband asks some people can you know to to do something um uh that they do it when you know when I ask people to do the the um survey that the state sent out we had the highest response rate of any Comm in the entire State wow that the highest state oh I I can't remember if I shared this story with you guys but um for a while people were sitting around MBI saying who's this provider shoots SP net we've never heard of and we have 500 responses from people and they had like you know 40 from bryen so it it was it was pretty pretty great um it was ever thus that MBI didn't have a clue what what we were doing out here yeah yeah and G When you mention in you're promoting the the questionnaire that it'll get money to shrey I'll bet that'll that'll help that that motivates people around here doesn't it so as it should yeah and I and I'll explain all that that to people um about uh you know that the reason we're doing this is so that we can get money for for the town um and our results it's not going to be the quantity of results like I you know even if we only had 50 people respond um it's not that MBI would say well you're you you don't get any of this money it's just the more people respond it will make our case stronger for for getting uh getting that 70,000 that's been reserved for us um and uh Jim you also asked if this results of the survey matter about how the how uh um do the results of the survey matter in some way that would affect how the state grants us yes the survey is how the money gets spent we have to prove it out in data form of where are our digital Equity gaps and when we prove this through the survey then we can get access to that money and come up with a with a grant plan of how we're going to use the money to close those gaps so um it it does matter um and I am uh well as you noticed I seated the question the the survey with a lot of questions um to try to help us understand um if our routers are adequate because that's kind of the thing that that we really I think would would like to use this on but we need to prove it out so um that's um yeah that's how how we'll do it um yeah we'll do we'll just do it you know a townwide marketing plan like we've done with other Broadband pushes asking Town's people to do things um and I'm thinking of adding a question onto the survey of just asking people straight up like if you if we get a digital Equity Grant How would how do you want to use it just go ahead and asking them and having you know what's what what your top usage and it could be like you know temporarily lowering rates um or um a new router in your home or um you know a new A reduced cost device room just ask people um it's a great idea yeah so I'll I'll I'll just add add that in um and yeah so let's see anything else on my list here nope that is that's it that's all we have on our agenda for today um else okay gr okay just Steve i' blab lot you go first go ahead oh well I was just going to say we've got town meeting coming up are we uh you know are we all set for Town me meeting from both our presentation Gail you all set with presenting the budget and yeah there's some back and forth with Becky about getting the correct budget into the warrant again of of so I have not seen a final um version of it but uh uh I I gave her a Word document appropriate format added budget um so that she wasn't copy and pasting from Excel um so I hope that that did the trick um when it gets printed this time sit down and you know double check it if you want to like you know send me a copy and we can both look at it make sure that the correct thing is presented on the floor of town meeting because if it's wrong it's very easy to get up there and with the correct one and ask to be amended to to what it is but if you know a bunch of figures are there it has happened has been wrong and we haven't gone through line by lines of whoops they transpose this they flip this in and it gets voted in incorrectly then it's kind of a nuisance to get it corrected later so totally totally yeah we will um yeah check check the final version and make sure all the numbers are right um yeah um but yes I am I am uh prepared to go on the 27th and uh talk about it and hopefully have a not a what was it was it nine hours last year it was so long yeah do you know where we are on the agenda I don't again I have not seen the final version of the warrant so I have no idea um yeah well yeah they keep changing um I think we're more or less in the middle someplace um okay uh they keep changing the order um they've been moving things around back and forth at least that's latest this this school problem um with the uh with the four you know the fourtown school um has is a huge problem and and that's that's causing all kinds of trouble with with with the order and and and the numbers and everything else so okay and oh I saw something that said the meeting was in the elementary school gym is that I saw that too that for the first time we're going back inside yeah we're going back inside that's true do do we need to do anything with um all right Wi-Fi or the PA system the yeah the lousy PA system and I don't know about their Wi-Fi no there's nothing much we can do about the Wi-Fi okay it is what it is well we could um either convince them to open up a public one or we could let them plug our router into their system and then and then we could um offer the same service that we did um outside good it's a good idea that would be toally sleeping dog that's the Royal we that's the Royal we could do that um yeah does anyone know anyone does anyone know anyone in the principal's office or the secretary of the school um yeah I can I can reach out to um the tech person there uh Debbie Lee um who oh it's still Debbie okay yeah is well it was last last time I had contact with the school which was in the last year um so I'll reach out about um yeah Town town meeting internet access and ask ask if Debbie is you could ask gently if um if any maintenance has been done on the PA system um because it didn't work very well um at the special town meeting um horrendously in fact so Lo like it looked like it had two good channels and the rest were horrendous so um yeah that's really not our problem no it's not but yeah I uh you might just remind someone that it's be fixed because it'll be our problem as we sit there listening to listening to squeaks whistles and and U and you know uh yeah so um um so yeah just um if you're done Steve the the just to catch up on um a followup on on the library um Maryann antonelis asked me to um to to come up with um uh the uh Wi-Fi in the library uh Arrangement that'll that'll work for you know a building that's 100 foot long and 30 foot wide and one floor and um and also where to run cat 6 cable for wired ethernet uh and um and so um so it did it only needs a Gateway router and and two mesh um Wi-Fi on the inside because the cladding on the building is um is slate half inch thick slate the leakage the Wi-Fi leakage from the building might not be good enough to do outside so I've also proposed two outside um exterior Wi-Fi um uh access points uh and wireless access points wops um and um and because uh when I proposed that and and their designer came back and said oh well it's a wet location um you need you know the receptacles out there would be um uh would be in a wet location I said well we'll make them we'll make those locations if they're needed at all power over ethernet so so anyhow that yeah so so um that's no big deal um Maryanne was very enthusiastic about the idea of having managed routers um because she she's uh a manage a managed router for the for the U for the library because she has had router problems at home and she's had router problems at the library you you might have even even got to help uh uh she she she said Craig you you might have helped her with a router problem a long time ago yep I did yeah she she she hates having to call on people like you and me and whoever and um and so um so for $250 or whatever um a month she was very excited to to upgrade to manage R so um so therefore that that uh also does the um uh does a a um U6 uh with u4s for um mesh extension um for the routers so I asked what's his name Steve Abraham um what um uh what the licensing arrangements are in that situation I wanted to check that the um that the mesh extenders didn't also it wouldn't make sense to me that they should also have a licensing fee as much as the Gateway but and he and he said he didn't think they did but what he did say and Gail I'll I'll I'll kick the ball to you for um taking the conversation further with him is he said that they haven't yet come up with an agreement with sheld um on how to do um managed routers in shutesbury so it could be and I think sheld once mentioned it um it could be um a relationship with uh KX um with the money collected by sheld and the money goes to KX or or it could be sheld does it um as we know all of the as Craig knows all of the uh the wife manager RS have to be under the same subnet um um and and so it's one subnet that is either you know the Shel has to manage that but um but anyhow that that is a detail that sheld hasn't um hasn't yet got in place um it may be because there's extra effort that they're not compensated for um in in you know in having manag router I don't know so I'm not sure what the um what the what the subtlety and the Nuance is of that but um you start talking to Steve Abraham first I guess um we've got plenty of time before the library is going to be installing umk just question who is Steve Abraham he's a he's a um sales engineer for cix C okay we he he came and met us um with um Peter um Pete I think somewh um Pete Johnson Peter Johnson so so those were the two CX people that we dealt with Steve was one of them way back when yeah back okay right back yeah so last time I talked to sheld about this and how we would handle the the licensing and the annual or the rather monthly fees for this that it was just going to be a pass through cost and that sheld would would be the um uh it would it would cost the same as what they charge each each of their their customers um for it um and uh what I what I guess I yeah I guess I don't understand is if we would be paying KX directly for that or if it would all if it would all go through shelled um the other thing that I am a bit concerned about with this is the portability of it of um you know once you get routers into a location that is owned by an ISP that's your ISP forever and ever until you decide to uh replace those routers which is something that happened to wired West they y they can't leave they can't leave Westfield Gas and Electric unless they shell out you know hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace all their routers so I don't want that to happen to us uh sheld is you know doing a great job we really like them they're a wonderful ISP thus far and if that changes in the future I want the flexibility to leave or I think there are ways of doing that you know when you think about it you can do everything with networks so um so I think if raise that as an issue um that we want to avoid um and and you know we we we won't proceed if we're if we're locked in so there there would be some way of doing a subnet that is shots subnet that that can be moved around I mean the it's it's it's there there's ways of doing everything in networks um yeah no one wants to be locked in forever I mean that that would be a that is obviously a problem that someone didn't anticipate in wir West and you know I don't blame them you know it's not something that would have popped into my head of oh wow but now we know we're not going to go down that path um this this wasn't a wired West fault wired West didn't want to originally be part of uh of WG any anyway okay but but all the towns jumped in and I think some towns set up the parameters and then after that everybody had to do the same y yeah yeah that um we're at the point where we're not going to jump unless it suits us to jump so therefore um sheld will have some way of doing it or KX will have some way of doing it between them they'll know how to do it that doesn't lock our routers to something forever but um um yeah so I don't know what that is because that's not my uh not my specialty but I you know people can change isps and subnets can do it all in one lump so you know yeah um you would think so last last time yeah yeah but but we'll we'll we'll figure it out um there is when I when I talked to Lee Masters at sheld about this he said you actually can't do it a lump you can do it manually one by one even with even with even with a subnet being um yeah he said he said it was it was actually super complicated and very problematic it's not that you can't do it it's just that but anyway um the bottom line is we have to be able to switch even if it's built into our contract that you know they they they have to manually switch people um yeah uh you know for us to understand what the lift on that would be yeah yeah we we so yeah so we would get a price going in of how much it costs to get out and if that price and and guaranteed you a contractually um obligation from them and then we'll know what that price is and if that price is too high then they'll be whistling in the wind because they'll be proposing something that's you know not going to fly so yeah okay we can we can there you go you can you can start off with sheld and uh and I'm happy to join I'm happy to join a conversation um um that yeah yeah thank you so so just you know for all of you like how I'm thinking about this router um decision and going forward we know that we're going to need some manag routers at the library probably nice to get them in the town hall um you know maybe all of our town Town buildings is that I am just kind of sitting on this for right now waiting for the results of our townwide survey that's happening with digital Equity to come in because that's going to gauge for us um what the need is out there and and and if this is something people will pay for and and want it and we I feel like we can't really make a decision on this without more information about what the for better word what the customers will want and what they're going to pay for um and if you know how many people want this um so I'm I'm sitting on it till we have more data and then when we get that we can kind of pick up this conversation with a goal of um by the end of this year having a move forward plan with the routers whether it means replacing everyone's with a newer model non-managed getting managed routers having some managed and some unmanaged routers out there but just knowing what we're doing okay when um when's the bill when when's the library supposed to be um finished does there does anyone know the library schedule for construction it must be more than nine months away right oh I'm I'm I'm thinking it's like a year and a half year don't even have estimates for the for you know oh they haven't put the they haven't put the bid documents out for sure no I'm sorry okay so I guess the library is not breathing down on there that's good yeah um all right well that's all I have anything else Steve uh let me get back to Old technology here any resolution on the uh waterproofing freeze proofing of the um of the Hut uh door lock yes excellent question so I did find the the door manufacturer the lock manufacturer rather and uh sent it to Graham um and uh Graham any any more information on that yeah with with going away and with the HVAC stuff and and whatever and also with the problem um you cooling off um the manual I think um Gail you mentioned that they didn't they didn't even see it as a possible problem or they don't talk about doing anything about it so therefore it's a rare event um so um it's it's on my list but I I fig just just wondered you know but as soon as as as soon as work as as soon as I see what they what they want then I'll tell you Steve technology like that as opposed to right yeah the other technology we're dealing with it's safe cracking yeah right there's yeah there's nothing in the whole troubleshooting section about the locks that mentioned any kind of freeze problem um another thing that I was they never had one in shuberry before yeah right right yeah um one thing I was I was wondering about is um I you know how when um and on the lock like if you if with other types of locks like if you press the buttons too many times they like they they they stop working um where where they don't take any more numbers and then you have to reset I am wondering if that perhaps happened on the Hut where they they press too many buttons and then to reset it you know you have to turn the handle and then that's what allows the the buttons to be accepted again for a bitl a better word um and I wonder if maybe it wasn't a freeze issue but they inputed the code wrong and because the the it it wasn't that the the it wasn't that the buttons were stuck when I pressed them it's that there was no clickthrough on them they moved right they moved but there was no clickthrough and I was wondering if maybe it wasn't Frozen but whoever was at the hut tried to enter the code and it didn't work and they tried to enter the code and it didn't work and then the button stopped working they go oh it's frozen and they just stopped and walked away when I went back I you know in inputed the code and it didn't work and then they had told me it was frozen so I'm like oh it's still frozen I breathed on the lock and then jiggled the handle re that reset the buttons breathing is red herring it's like it's not it wasn't Frozen at all it was just a bad input and then anyway it's one of my deal of sense and that would explain why it's not in the manual as a troubleshooting problem um I'll bet you're right because when you think about it how much heat can you transfer when just breathing on right yeah yeah yeah as as we know if you put your tongue on it you would have just Frozen your tongue to you would have just Frozen your tongue to it and nothing would have changed right the the day the day I call you guys to come rescue me my tongue has been frozen to the Hut is the day when I get to retire okay yeah no I'm not I'm not suggesting it as troubleshooting yeah I think you're right now yeah so actually Graham next time you're at the hut could you try to reproduce the error by just like pressing random buttons and then seeing if then the none of I love that idea I love that idea because we do have a mechanical key as a backup we so yeah yeah and and then and then you know so there's no catastrophic failure here yeah okay all right um anything else next meeting date yep the next meeting date is May 15 okay and I will be making my annual migration out of shuberry to my transient life for the summer um back under the bridge yep back under the bridge back in the van by down down by the river um for um uh around the um let's see Memorial Day which is 20 let's see the 25 26 but basically June July and August I will I will return to town periodically to take care of business but I won't be based here for the summer as soon as I'm I'm in and out in the next few weeks as soon as PVE gives you a date on um on maybe just hand them to me for um scheduling the the the um PV I will yeah yeah I I there's no need for me to be the intermediat yeah good all right well I'll see some of you at town meeting in a couple weeks yeah okay all right take care bye bye bye bye bye bye