e hey Isaac hey how's it going Michael good how you doing good good hanging tough trying to stay cool how about you about the same yeah I I tend to Wilk a little bit in the heat so you and me both brother you and me both my brain is not always the best but hanging in there it'll get worse yeah sweet so how's your summer looking yeah it's pretty good I mean we had a little well situation last night like the I think it ran dry there's a lot of like watering and uh like watering the vegetable garden and stuff and you know toilet left running for a little bit so we left it alone overnight seems to be okay seems to have been refreshed but it's one of those scary things so you know is what it is yeah yeah those you know the simple things like water you know that's you know it's there's so many things on the horizon for crisis and that's just one of them I mean it's like people just take it for granted we God somewhere in the last few days we're driving somewhere around here it was like after a downpour and someone was and someone was watering their lawn and my wife was like really you got to be kidding me like right right it's nuts yeah I've never had that happen hopefully that that is a scary thing yeah yeah so I mean we had that happen last wasn't last summer this summer before because that was the drought cuz it wasn't a drought last summer um but uh yeah but we found out that our well was like 16 years old or or the uh the pump was like 16 years old or something like that and that's like the like maybe three years out of its you know so we we replaced it yeah I mean it was one of those things where it was it was definitely like a like like 3 years after the like suggested life span of the of the pump so we replaced it when we replaced it we got like one of those like just so the so the well doesn't keep running when it's dry like that well protector that well guard where it'll just it'll it'll cut um so yeah I don't know we'll see I mean we're you know we're look you know every time the water goes like you know goes out we have a like we're really get into like oh we got to do this we got to do that and then when it's fine we just kind of Let It Go but we were talking about having like a big water storage tank and you know all this stuff but really at the very least I think we're moving to collecting rainwater from the gutters for watering downhill in the garden so hopefully we get that together I've been like I've been looking on Craigslist to Source some like you know 275 gallon situations or you know anything like that so so making that work that's cool we've looked into that in the past I think the only only thing I think about is mosquitoes right yeah yeah I think that that's yeah we got to figure out what like I don't know if we have to put any like like tablets in the water and if we do that is that going to affect the like the like the vegetables that we water um but like put a mesh over the top yeah you put a mesh over the top and I think hopefully that does the trick but you never know hi G hey how are you we're talking about water yeah water's good yeah it's like Chinatown yeah water is good we're just yeah as well we're talking about availability of it ah and and uh and the quality thereof yeah yeah how are you doing I'm very lucky I'm in a controlled house atmosphere so and an overhead fan that sounds good yeah I'm I'm doing battle with our geothermal people who I thought they were going to start the process sooner than later so I'm uh got through the permitting got through the design yep now I got to get to the drilling part oh yeah yeah yeah Nate warned me about the permitting and I was really on top of that and uh let's see how it goes next summer I'll be in a controlled en and without any guilt yeah that's a real blessing with the geothermal I mean it it just what the switch how are you another person in the controlled environment you're muted yes there you are um I mean I haven't turned it on yet um so many trees around here it's actually you know just a fan has been fine so far but um yeah looking forward to trying it someday but that day will come looks like this week yeah yeah it's gonna build I think yeah yeah it doesn't cool off overnight and it kind of builds well it's come down at my place and last hour from 91 to 90 woohoo my favorite thing is driving up the hill it's like an automatic five degrees it's just so gratifying get to go home well let me call us to order at 502 and Isaac you up for minute taking yes sir I'm already on it cool thank you and just to RW I think Gail you're up next next next month cool what else well oil machine we are um well it's good to see everybody um I think we actually have a lot of chatting to today so I will call for public comments haha no one ever wants to come to our meetings seeing no public we will move on um so I think the things we got to to talk about on the agenda is follow up on the all boards meeting follow up on the select board meeting which includes CCA and the committee charge climate leadership program and then heat pump options for municipal buildings updates in minutes how's that sound sounds great cool organiz that's the goal um so let's see so following up all boards Gale I know you went um Nate Isaac either have you go too uh yeah I was present um but was that the I think I was I think that's I think I'm talking thinking about the one you're referring to but that was basically they went over the charge is that the one they asked no this was in person downstairs oh definitely not definitely not there okay so Gail you want to share what happened most of the discussion was um in response to the fact that the um Mandate of hybrid meetings that was set up for during the pandemic may or may not come to a close at the end of this term so um what would that mean for us and beside that what would be the preference of any of and all of the Committees in town for in-person meetings uh virtual meetings or hybrid so everybody had a chance to talk about their own committee experience and very very particular as you might expect some count on it being hybrid for all kinds of reasons some count on it being personal uh from what I heard Most Wanted at least the zoom which gave greater access um and several people reported the same thing that that you Nate and Michael um and and Rita reported your letter Michael um but General agreement shuberry and other small rural towns out here in western Mass would be screwed if they went to a mandated hybrid uh for reasons of infrastructure cost maintenance um running it it means in in our town we have one room really that's amenable and that's downstairs lousy Acoustics and our history is that we have several committee board meetings at a time in town hall when we all met in there are all kinds of meeting rooms and if hybrid is required it makes a huge scheduling problem so that's good point for all kinds of reasons it so the select board was going to write a statement uh to deliver to our Congress people um basically saying that you know do we is there going to be like a policy for town that the select board um sets out apparently not um it it was really just Le Fair the way it is now do whatever you wish um and there are very few who require who really want the the hybrid one of them was the library building committee because that meant that their Consultants who are in Boston didn't have to get paid for coming out to meetings in person blah blah so the the the necessity for hybrid is not going to be true for for many in town yeah cool well thank you for reporting on that I guess we should have a conversation either now or soon about our preferences in terms of if there's nothing coming down from the select board how we want to sort of move forward um should we you want to you want to briefly talk about that now or you want to bring it up another time because it could be a lengthy conversation I like zo because I don't have to leave the house yeah simple yeah well are we talking about our specific committee meeting versus uh like public forums and stuff like that um I would say for a public forum we can probably take it on a case-by Case basis and figure out what makes sense so I'm thinking just for our regular monthly meetings oh I mean Zoom is because that way I could connect right out like at work at the end of the day from Amherst and not have to worry about it you know like that's my two cents I prefer Zoom meetings to continue what do you think Nate sounds good to me I'm I'm like super flexible so you know I I definitely see the um just the logis logistical advantages of uh keeping it on zoom and if everybody's happy with it I'm absolutely behind that yeah yeah for me especially in winter if it's night meetings I'm not a happy nighttime driver and even getting to town hall I mean that's not a long run but it's yeah I think I'm I'm okay with going with zoom I mean it's more convenient I think for us um you know my only counter was mostly that based on my you know work realizing that you know if you don't have you know there's like 3% who don't have the connection and there people don't feel comfortable doing it but you know I would say the fact that we don't have public comment and public arriving very often is not indicative of people not having the capacity is just more more interest and we're not controversial so at least not yet so why don't we go continue on Zoom until you know we can check in at some other later point and see how it's going and if we if someone says hey I can't get to your meetings we can revisit it but um why don't would just call that a decision and go from there cool um to vote on that or do we just I'm just I just noted it in discussion on ecac preference for meetings Gail Isaac Michael and Nate would like to keep the ECA ecac meetings on Zoom I don't necessarily think we need to vote on it um sort of General consensus is probably sufficient for this um oh um oh from the selectboard meeting which is the other meeting as a I think it was the one that you were thinking about so there were two parts there was the committee charge and the CCA um I think why don't we do CCA first and uh I mean I think well just to State this since we're meeting um I mean what was clear from the discussion is that it seems like the select board is letting us be a grownup committee um and so we can act like every other committee and not necessarily report to them um so I think that gets us some Running Room and um you know in terms of CCA they were supportive of Nate and Becky going forward and then once it gets operationalized Nate being the lead for our committee so Nate I know you sent the that document which is sort of the agreement of document but do you want to just speak to it or share whatever it's worth knowing um yeah you know I I did forward it to the committee um I sent it uh directly to Becky that was a week ago I have not heard anything um back yet so I think one of my questions um for the committee is um how to I know apply gentle pressure um and you know I don't know if it's reminders or you know people have maybe have more experience trying to get things of this nature uh going uh yes scale um I like what you did before and that was here's our plan and if we do not hear back from you adversely by X date we will proceed accordingly well this is trickier because it has to get signed excuse me has to get signed by Becky okay the way the document is written there are three signature lines and they are for the three select board members there's not a space for uh okay now that might be um I don't know if that's a typo or um but that's how the document structure in its signature uh at least me I should call it up but that's how I recall it yeah no it's that yeah I I'll share my screen um then you might send it to the select board members and town admin and ask is this appropriate or should the town admin signature please get back to us by X date so we can right right and so you know that's sort of uh that does speak to you know I don't want to step on anybody's toes if it's just sort of a normal process um for documents of this kind to be shephered by yeah um the administrator um well I'll step in Nate yeah I mean I think given that I'm chair I'm happy to carry water on this one um so I mean it seems like I know Becky can sign on behalf of the Town um she does it all the time so I I think what I would do is just reach out to her and clarify if it can be her if it needs to be all three um select board members I am I'm going to be in town hall on Friday so I'll see I'll see Rita physically if it ends up that we need a selectboard signature and start that process um and if it's Becky if she's in the building I'll just get her signature so that would be awesome yeah just make it happen excellent yeah cool the one thing and um I'll make this you guys can see me scrolling right yep um so the one thing I think this is just the cut and paste thing because you got this prob from them directly yeah directly yeah so these all reference an RFP which we didn't do so I think I just should edit that out um and sort of make it make sense and I don't know what we were what we would call the thing that we sent them you know a letter of interest or something but I think it would be a just replacing that but it only shows up in this first paragraph As far as I could tell yeah I I can just elaborate very slightly so Denise alard from colonial power group wrote that you the contract this is quote um contract makes mention of the furog RFP given the town was a named Community uh this allows the town to lean on that RFP as part of its due diligence even though the town followed up with additional questions last winter um I believe I previously provided n with Colonials response to the bhog RFP but I can certainly resend it that makes it easier on your end so there was this larger um RFP process at a regional level that named shutesbury um so I think Denise's thinking was colonial power groups thinking was it can't hurt just to reference that here because this I think all gets funneled into our larger uh application and you know the dpu yes yeah um so can we would you I guess one thing that would be helpful then since I don't think anybody in town actually saw that RFP is my guess um you know it it might be in Becky's inbox somewhere but that's probably as best the best it is um but but it's a furog FR FRP it's not ours no no I'm just saying that we should get we should get a copy of so if I don't know if it's easier I don't know who the point person is in fhog for this but if Colonial consent is to copy of the RFP then we'd have it I I have it oh you do cool I have it um and I think I've got it here um it might be in your inbox from August 10th 2023 okay wow okay well I will check would it make sense to attach that to this document for clarity as an appendix or a uh Nate just since you're in it or at it scanning yeah I'm scanning the 49 pages I would say no no just scanning never mind uh but I I think that's I hear you so I I can Michael I'll I'll dig for that and make sure that uh or reference it more exactly rather than in or about yeah I think what I do kind of a tie to the document I think if we had an and both like I don't think we should not mention our process because that was like the the real process this other one is sort of tangental um yes so if we mention both so I don't do you want to tweak that and then just send it to me do you have time to do that or you want me to do it um sorry I was I was scanning this document so are you are you suggest I was just going to make some edits to that paragraph to include our process somehow so it's it's also in there so I can make the edits unless you wanted to um it's sort of up to you yeah yeah I'm yeah if if so if we edit this document then I think we're sending it back to Colonial oh right right and then getting it back and then signing it and then getting it back to coloni oh okay I think um I well I don't know actually this was authored by Colonial right yeah this is we changing it yeah well practically speaking um I mean they sent it to us they didn't say hey Nate is this okay they sent it to you right so I think in a similar vein since we're not trying to you know do anything underhanded is if we just make an edit to keep their language but include Meer of our letter sure and get it signed and send it to them I mean they can choose to sign it or send it back but I'm hard make it make it as a footnote okay okay that's that's some thought I mean I think it should just it's mostly note inserted by us just just to keep it clean yeah because I think you know anyone on our end is going to be we didn't do an RFP you know Becky would ask that question we've had a whole conversations about two to RFP or not so it would be confusing so so Nate I'll do it okay and then I'll I'll bring it I'll get it to Becky um and I'll give you a heads up when it gets signed um and I think once it get signed then you can reach out to them and start doing whatever we need to do good cool and just as an FYI I didn't this might be relevant or not but so yesterday the state senate released their version of a bill about clean energy permitting and it was 92 pages I scanned it yesterday last night and this morning um for like my feedback and thoughts but I think there was something I saw in there about aggregation um because they did talk about dpu a little bit so I don't know if there My Hope was that as I assumed it was maybe there was that a clarification about the LP stuff um so I don't know if actually if that's what it was because I was skimming for other things but just this an FYI it might just clarify things but okay um okay so I got it to do and then I'll share it with everybody but we're moving forward on CCA which is good after treading water for a few months um and then the committee charge so to summarize that um what I think the select board agreed you know is that we should update you know Rita wrote it originally and so the other two sort of looked at it but what Rita's take away was in reviewing the original version it did make it sound like we were reporting to them because there's it was all about recommending rep um ideas to them and they were all fine with changing that Dynamic so Rita agreed to work on it and sent it to us um I had some thoughts I sent it to her she put it in a Google doc and then that's the version that I I shared out to her uh that to you guys so the version that you received from me was a me and Rita version and I know Gail you had comments which I can share in a minute um and Gail did you go the selectboard meeting yesterday or no you didn't right you had some you did something else I did not go no yeah so my understanding originally was that Rita was not going to put it on the agenda because we were supposed to meet and discuss it and then recommend to them right Becky Becky put it on the agenda I'm just I'm assuming there's a Communications GP glitch or something so what I was going to propose is we just go through um the version that I shared that D has edits to come up with something that we like um and then we can send it to them now I can SED them tomorrow so let me just get I could share a screen with the my edits I got your edits right here oh you got it okay yeah totally so I think the the first paragraph I well everyone okay with the purpose the way Gail had edited or do anyone have any thoughts about that one I think um this is a little clear um I had an issue with the way um evolving you know seeking Solutions um the word these kind of flowed together in order to modify goals or to affect the word goals it was just it seemed to me a really awkward um structure and it wasn't clear to me exactly how it flowed but I think by adding needs and solutions to these I think that that helps um I mean just read this sentence out loud these needs and solutions shall include include goals is a go is an is a goal a need it's not I don't understand I actually don't I don't I just don't think the paragraph's clear I don't understand what it's saying really okay well let's let's make it clear this is our opportunity to word Smith let how's the first sentence we good with the first sentence or no or should we rethink what is what is the language in the MVP and hmp are those goals yeah hey what happened what that was um it's my phone alert sorry um oh you need to do something evolving needs um it's quite vague yeah but it's meant to be broad so bag is okay our needs today will be different from five years ago or 10 years I mean 10 years from now yeah I I sent I sent a just as an aside I sent um a complete rewrite to Rita oh you did okay yeah top to bottom um I you know I I had to you didn't send it to me though right no because I you know people are very sensitive about yeah know that's that's fine I the only reason I ask is that I I did talk to arita about it like just logistically not in the detail we did that on email but I had the sense this afternoon that you had a version and I couldn't find it in my email and that explains why that I actually was remembering correctly but um do you want to share you we pull that yeah we can share it now Nate ch um so I know this can be like a word smithing in a in a meeting can be uh onerous I actually I only have two main goals for the rewrite and one of them is um getting to five members yeah which was good with yeah and then the other one is I I think the charge requires reference to greenhouse gases um I really I think um there's an overreliance in the draft that we were just looking at on the concept of decarbonization um can you make it smid miger yeah decarbonization is like super important but um you know it wouldn't that wouldn't cover something like um methane you know natural like Natural Gas um or like other sources of greenhouse gases which I would like there which I would like to be explicit um so yeah the the word is used and carries a lot of baggage but it's never unpacked yeah decarbonization um it's just this it really is just a slice of the it it might be the bulk but it's a slice of our our climate um charge if if you will I think can you move it up so we can oh I see that is the yeah sorry um so I think a lot a lot of the components are the same um but let's see um you know I'm trying to make reference to to greenhouse gases um before you go before you that just let's do the I mean I do want to work SM it because this is important for now in the future but for the purpose let's just get the purpose then we can go down to the charge but sure um uh so I ditched I ditched MVP and Hazard mitigation plan Al together because if you read that document there's no reference to to greenhouse gases in that document there's no reference to fossil fuels in that document it's it's kind of I understand like it might have been an impetus to form this committee but it's just I don't think it's a good guide for this committee moving forward as a climate action Comm committee and as an energy that's just like my my two cents isn't part of our ah how to say it without using the word charge to come up with goals and plans to achieve them yeah I think that is I mean I think that's part of the charge so it but the way the the purpose reads is as if their goals are there and our job is to help the town meet them rather than setting goals that's good point that's fa maybe that's that's part one and then we bump down one to two and two to three etc etc yeah I mean I think I'm just looking at the current one and Gail's addition of the needs and solutions I that's sort of needs and solutions drive you towards goals and projects and objectives and all those things so I mean part of what we're looking at what what do we need to get to where we want to go and what are the solutions that we want and then from that results and goals um I mean could it be something like the charge of the EC ecac shell you know identify identify needs and plan goals to reach the these needs do you like again I'm I mean this is true word smithing I apologize I mean it's I like Solutions better than goals because Solutions speak to sort of addressing problems or needs where goals are they sort of neutral I mean presum you have goals to make progress but um I don't know why you'd have a negative goal but um it seems a little bit more substantive in that regard Nate it looks like we're working off your document for now so okay I think what Isaac said I mean if you said the energy and climate action committee shall guide the town in identifying needs and solutions for climate mitigation and resilience there you go something oops wait that's not right no I was saying for mitigating for climate mitigation and resilience good and I think the only things that get lost from the original which I think are inclusive but just to say it out loud um you know there there's an energy component there's a adaptation component um yeah energy generation adaptation but I think those are subsumed in climate change mitigation and resilience at least I I think it for the purpose we don't have to call it out do you all agree with that or okay Isaac you good with that cool okay so we have a purpose thank goodness okay we can all go to bed feeling better so the charge um so so Nate can you can you call it like is it totally Rewritten I'm looking at my version but um you kept some of it right like look said the stay of breast you did uh why don't you walk us through well okay so I I read um the purpose and charges of um many towns in in Western Massachusetts so a a lot of the language is is borrowed from um uh those other drafts and obviously you you recognize um a lot from our current purpose in charge as well but um we to stall Ours from emmer just to to note yeah um it it's similar to you but but different I think from from ammer um but let's see yeah I mean this really speaks to eac's relationship to select board um so yeah that first one I would change I mean I would definely say recommend to the town okay and ensuring our energy infrastructure is cleaner and more resilient than what I think you want to in um make it rather than ensuring it be cleaner make it yeah uh and it is a little over promising too right I mean we can guide we can prod we can yeah we can Ure yeah we can't really ensure it so uh so it could be something more along the lines of uh guide guide um is the word is used above recently um oh it could be promote a cleaner and more resilient energy infrastructure there you go yeah I think promoting is what we want more energy efficient more resilient wow that's a lot while while you're on the second line with the greenhouse gases yeah I think we want to say with the focus on reducing right it doesn't actually say there's no directionality there uh well it's reducing community's contribution to climate change with a focus on greenhouse gases um so guess I guess that's true yeah okay uh yeah and then prepare coordinate and execute mitigation actions and adaptation strategies that anticipate and respond to the effects of climate change forward looking I like that I would make that whole second thing a second Point yeah something okay yeah um let's see if you put recommend to the town a programs and policies then Baba B to prepare these are um sentence fragments which I think is okay with the semicolon could be a semicolon here there you go Saves the Day lower case P thank you that's good and then two is just a slightly different formatted version of this list that's that we have in um let's see number three of the charge um in the current version but it just breaks it out um and again it calls out greenhouse gas reduction so that's virtually identical to the existing charge which lists out planning including but not being limited to I know that just uh let's see one of the things that Rita put in there intentionally because I think she was excited about it in the original was the regen design which yeah the what regenerative design yeah so we should make sure that that stays somewhere okay it could be um in this list fit with G like infrastructure and regenerative design or just set up yeah all right yeah I think Mak sense how's that good just technical if you have a list like this ABC you do not need the semicolons after each item okay so I I have a substantive question so in my mind I differentiate mitigation from adaptation and I think part of our discussions thus far were also about adaptation you know so like if we talk about you know we're going to have more flood water coming down lever road so how do we address that so there's not flooding um you know you're mitigating the effects it's almost one and the same or two sides of the same coin um so I don't know if it's necessary to put adaptation in there or if we gain something where I put it in there but what do you all think I was just wondering if we needed to have and in like in that at all because it is a list yeah you should take that out yeah comma yeah yeah yeah um where were you thinking um Michael to have I don't know it was it was in the first statement in the initial one um as as among other things it was they were separated out and so the you know I don't like I like I like I said I don't know if it's redundant um or if it's helpful um you if you're if you're mitigating the impacts that's adaptation in some regards if you're mitigating you know things so you're more I mean resilience and adaptation or hand inand as well so it might be unnecessary you guys thinking I'm thinking and I'm looking for where I'm not sure exactly where to hold hold the cursor um well I think with the Highlight the text I mean what is the you know where the rubber meets the road difference between mitigation actions and adaptation strategies are those synonymous well actions and strategies are different but mitigation and adaptation might be similar yeah you know like you got to have a strategy before you act otherwise you're just acting willy-nilly sure so I mean we could say mitigation actions and strategies or we could say adaptation actions and strategies but SE parsing it out seems kind of silly okay I think that's okay so I would say looking at that what is the what is carried by adaptation that point if you have mitigation I don't maybe nothing I mostly wanted to raise it I'm not advocating for it um well an adaptation strategy might be changing the mix of trees that we promote in like plantings in the county in anticipation of which ones will as mitigation survive but that wouldn't be a mitigation that would be an adaptation right so that would be a promotion of a a different species regimen got it that is a direct adaptation to anticipated change in that yep but mitigation you know Michael you were mentioning some good examples about like you know storm water pts and storm water and you're trying to reduce the negative effects of uh of climate change on on infrastructure for example sounds I have a su so one so on number one where it says recommend to the town yes I think what I would say is recommend to the town programs policies and strategies to reduce the community's contribution blah blah blah and then I would make two like make it actually a separate Point starting with the uh um where is it prepare so prepare coordinate and execute M mitigation and adaption act you know or prepare coordinate and execute two so rather than it be a continuation one apies yeah so if you make that a SE the next bullet down so you make it a actually number two yeah yes because the first one is sort of like the theoretical construct this is actually doing stuff and then you can get rid of the strategies part we we're just left with this discussion about prar we're preparing coordinating and executing to advance CL mitigation and adaptation um something like that execute what the um the above like You' execute the policies programs or strategies or why don't you we can just say act prepare coordinate and act to mitigate on okay then we're into adapt uh to the effects of climate change yeah cool is everyone good with those things you don't need the semicolon after infrastructure so we might have three three bullets we have three bullets so far if we're good with that good so on number four the one only change I have there is I got rid of the climate science because you know we might we're not really scientists we're not basing our stuff on science it's more about policy and practice um so staying a breast of current research and best practice is regarding climate change is probably sufficient um or climate something or other but I mean ultimately it's informed by science but it could also be informed by funding or program opportunities or um down capacity Okay so are you looking at one particular thing I had to take a time out there are you just moving on I think six okay thank you the five seems very straightforward yeah are there any other documents that we should reference um I don't I mean not currently and I think you know we're sort of on a nod to where we came from um like if there were a master plan we would want to reference that yes I just you know I pitched it at our planning board meeting that we might want to have a climate oriented chapter added because we can't really do a whole master plan we don't have the bandwidth but we could probably focus on updating a a chapter and then integrating something so you could on number five just reference you know other documents because you know in five years there might be another document that we create like where if we do this climate leadership thing we're going to have all those things that we're mandating ourselves to do and I can only imagine the state's going to come up with new fangled things that have plans um and another relevant documents you could just yeah yeah yes strike the and and maybe just put a comma between Municipal vulnerability and Hazard mitigation well it's Municipal vulnerability plan Hazard mitigation plan yeah I got you yeah I got you go there you go just make them the titles that's it's Municipal vulnerability preparedness is the plan hasard pardon me it's Municipal vulnerability preparedness oh prepared right and then that's plan singular for hazard mitigation plan comma singular and then and there you go as well as other relevant documents can we go back up please to uh number two and scratch thee which is so specific before effects of climate change okay with you all yeah that period at the end of each of these numbers to be consistent so I'm going to jump us down to six once you're good with that is that Gail you good yeah okay so I mostly like it the only thing I'm questioning is uh the development so engage the public and relevant stakeholders in education and planning and the planning of and goal setting is sort of what is the development okay so we could just take out the development I wonder if we could say engage the public and relevant stakeholders in education and the planning and goal setting um for climate action and just leave it at that yeah okay and scratch again the planning thanks yeah I think I grabbed the education I might have grabbed that from one of the other because I like that mandate like I like that mandate education yeah yeah so on seven the two things I would change there is I have to get rid of selectboard again so it's the town yeah town to adapt and I don't know if I put this in a read of but and maybe we don't have to do this I like the idea of practical benchmarks um but I don't think we would come up with impractical on so it's probably not necessary I mean does it make sense Target dates is g to be tricky measurable measurable thinking about like smart goals right you know right and specific goals not just yeah yeah with regard to Target dates I mean we do have the 250 Statewide date it is kind of it is it is out there um yeah and it is part of what drives um you know climate leaders um some of these things we're trying to do so that makes even more sense of measurable benchmarks because the the target dates the state has set is at by 2030 by 2050 at levels at each point so I mean I think conceptually that makes sense practically like just assume it's a four of us like that would that's oh how we how we would come up with measurable benchmarks and then measure them over time especially if we've got changing membership I don't know I think measurable benchmarks could could be in the form of just data that we G gather from the town like energy usage or you know that kind of stuff like that's that's measurable you know reduce this standing amount by X percent yeah which is what went into our You original Green communities thing okay there's a climate leaders hook right so we're supposed to have goals built into that program um that are Community facing um it' be good to learn like what kinds of goals other towns are setting but um you know it could be having an echarger in town I mean one would wonder if you know part of of this climate leader like they have a list of goals that you can utilize to check off and see which ones would be more applicable to your town so I don't know I would imagine working with the person that's going to kind of walk us through the project process they they may have recommendations instead of Reinventing the wheel kind of thing you know and seeing like all right well for this town it's X percent or we're looking at these these metrics or you know which is what Chris had on those slides when when he was here last yeah I'm good with seven if you guys are good so I'm I'm okay with that and I think with eight the only thing that I would that got lost that I do think is important is um to try try to create a coordinated approach for the implementation um uh regenerative design no I gu actually that's okay we already have coordinated in there forget it I'm good with that um if we have regenerative design here do we still need it in the list up top I think it couldn't hurt I mean we call out the other stuff um I mean we could actually I would you could take it out here I don't think we need to have it here because it's oh I like explore opportunities for though okay so let's keep it yeah okay um I think and do you want to I mean number nine is just a way of keeping connect to the select board um it used to be quarterly and I changed it to Ann oh yeah yeah I mean we could just say to the town because we're supposed to do an annual report at the town meeting so it could be I me part of me think we could just leave it out because it's not really part of the charge um and if we're going to be doing the community engagement in the coordinat with committees is we're going to be sufficiently touching base with people um so it feels a little bit different now that we're not recommending things to the select board um I think the whole idea was we wanted to stay connected and keep them up to date but um it's not in the version that Rita and I had and if she's not feeling compelled I just get rid of it one most thing to worry about um cool so we good with the charge part cool so the composition I think the only thing Nate had this great suggestion to use this an opportunity to scale down to five yeah so we don't have the Quorum issue Rita was good with that she liked it a lot um I like it a lot anyone have an objection to being an easy quum I think it's much more practical yeah cool good work Nate thank you oh goodness yeah I didn't mean to uh take it over that's okay this is I mean there's nothing more core than what our purpose in charge is so um so if you want to send it to me I'll I'll forward it on to Becky and the skyboard and they can I'm not sure if they're meeting next week or whatever but um okay we can show up if they have questions but I don't think it has to be in mass and if re is on board with we probably don't even have to show up um so okay where are we at time wise oh we're not doing terrible um ready to Pivot so the climate leadership program we're going to talk about um and I'm going to share something else from my screen I just grabbed stuff from the State website um and can you see that all so I know Gail you made some inquiries about the Green community good standing piece um number two we've got checked off um it's the next Bunch that I think would be the the work um I haven't I didn't I've been waiting to out to the Ashfield person that Chris mentioned until we sort of had this conversation but I mean he said they did it in one town meeting but I got to think they did a lot of prep going into that town meeting and then they presented it because it seems like this would be part of the work for the next you know fiscal year um maybe some of it's easy like zero emission vehicle the policy if there's a template we can copy it um we just can't you know we have to figure out how to that's probably a town what what is for what does it mean uh Municipal decarbonization road map that road map that road map happens with the guidance of an official once we kind of put forth the letter of intent so I think that's kind of the that's kind of getting like that's the meat of it that we're working with okay yeah they'll shape that yeah with us they'll help us shape that okay the thing that I was confused about and sounds like Isaac you looked into this a bit more but so the it's I don't know it's it's not quite a chicken and an egg but understanding the order so if you get in order to be certified a climate Community a a climate leader Community um do you have to have a road map that's developed and approved or do you just claim stuff and then you get a consultant to work with you know what I mean from my understanding the process goes based on the presentation and and and like back when Nate was introducing it a couple meetings ago it's the first part is a letter of intent but the letter of intent has to follow with I think we I think the adoption of the additional stretch code that's why we're kind of waiting to to do that uh and that so we thought we were on the track to do this with at the town meeting but we didn't have the public forum so that that precluded us from actually having that done so it's you know having having adopted the the the stretch code then the letter of intent and then with that letter of intent comes the guidance from from that Municipal agency to create the decarbonization road map and I don't know about five six yeah so seven I think comes earlier yeah I actually added that because I didn't see it but it's here yeah so there's only there's only six them officially on their website yeah um so and the the zero emission vehicle first policy I got to assume there's some kind of template that when we can just adopt but that would be similar process to the op in code in the sense that it would probably be a town policy which means it have to be adopted by Town meetings so these these two things have to be town meeting votes i y so and Gail did you get confirmation are we in good standing currently excuse me are we in good standing with green communities I can't understand what you're saying for the number one for the Green community are we in good standing oh yeah yeah okay oh what I what I do not know is what I asked Chris to to figure out for us please have we um has the town reported completion of the energy audit recommendation recommended tasks from last year okay because until that is completed and report is completed we cannot apply for anything further does that mean we're in good standing but we can't apply or we're not in good standing and therefore we're in good standing as we are but we're incomplete in terms of future application okay so I also ask Chris to tell us let us know when the uh block two which would be fall deadline applications were coming out so that'll go into the next conversation actually okay so of these we've got one and two covered um we're sort of Midway on number six it sounds like listening to Isaac that number four we won't have to do yet um we have to write a letter of intend we're just not here but that's relatively easy um does anyone have insights about the what's involved with the fossil fuel use is that just a letter I I um I can answer that it's um it's as you say just Municipal operations and it can be done either through a town meeting a select board Vote or a master plan there's three ways to get there but I I just rewatched the uh the presentation um from Chris Mason um as I was like doing the notes for the the minutes right um so there's three way to get there but um town meeting would be an obvious one just to pair it with the other two okay but select board I think can can do it as well if you didn't want to bring it to H town meeting so I guess tell me what you you all think I mean I don't know if we're going to have a special town meeting this year you know it remain remains to be seen um I'm not sure why we would have one but um even if we did it's it might you know the argument is always made if you're going to bring stuff of significance bring it to annual time meeting because you have more participation um that's debatable depending on the issue we've definitely done significant things at special Town meetings um but it seems like we should bundle them like we can I think we'd want to get the blessing for the letter of intent from the select board because we can't speak on behalf of the Town um but for the uh vehicle policy the optin and the fuel use if those three things require town meeting we should just bundle them um sort of like how the CPC projects get bundled or the budget items get bundled you know and thematically sort of go boom boom boom and we can make one presentation and then have you know votes accordingly yeah so I think that makes s strategically just a matter of what you know if there's a forum for special town meeting um and since we don't know it affects our our pacing you know if if it was going if we're going to wait till Springtown meeting we got a lot of time to do this and then we could you know just I mean better to do it sooner and just have it in our back pocket um so Michael you're saying to lump the vehicle policy opt in and the fossil fuel fuel yeah because if those require town meeting actions we should just group them we've already got one and two checked off and the the optin is the only one we need a forum for correct correct well I mean that would require a a u what you call Amendment um yeah it's a bylaw so that's yeah there's no requireed bylaw though is that correct uh I don't policies they yeah I mean I think with the policies the so like we just with the select board energy the energy storage that we just that was a bylaw a policy is just a select board um but I guess this would be a conversation this the select board could just do it um for the we had part of this discussion on that zero emission vehicle remember we came up with the difficulty of getting police vehicles which have certain requirements right that may or may not be compatible with zero emission or at least EV soing that policy that's practicable is going to be but if it's if it's a policy that would be select board yeah but I think it isn't isn't it like right of first refusal right has to at least be considered and it's only if it makes sense both environmentally for the operation and fiscally right so if it's going to be an undue burden on the town to get a fleet of these vehicles that may meet the other requirements but place an undue burden on the town I I think that that is you know and that might allow um for you know application for grant funding to support these things but it's not going to tie our hands and you know make us go bankrupt getting you know Eevee Cruisers that meet all the requirements and spell out those qualifications yeah yeah okay I think maybe what we do at our next meeting is sort of take this I mean I I can just put it into a very simple spreadsheet that sort of figures you know that identifies each of these tasks what the deciding forum is whether select board town meeting whatever and we come up a timeline um you know and if there's anything in the inim so like the specialized opin you know that's going to require a public hearing as an intermediary step and then the town meeting vote um but if we can lay it out I think then we can just figure out the timing um and and start moving forward with it it's it sounds like it's workable um and in the inim I can reach out to the ad field person and find out how they implemented because it sounds like they were highly efficient and maybe we can borrow some of their efficiency yeah does that sound like a good plan for now okay cool I'm me stop sharing that was a good conversation we got one more thing to talk about which is Gail you want to talk about heat pump options and the buildings committee so I bumped into um Steve dmas who is chair of the buildings committee and started asking him questions about uh replacing boilers with heat pumps and it's clear that it ain't a simple question and I had no grasp at all of the kinds of Dimensions that it that it um would pertain to which is what what prompted me to write Chris and ask when are the uh Grant applications going to be coming out because they will have definitions in that that we would apply for and my sense is then once we have that in hand and we go through that ourselves as a committee that we have a conversation with Steve delmus who by the way is a building insor for decades before he took on this so so he he knows what he's looking at um each building has its own peculiarity of course not a surprise um each has its own in some cases sorted history um with the boiler the anything and all but I think to get us to help us frame even the question that we want to direct grant funding to it's going to take some input from somebody who knows the buildings and knows the that history well I appreciate you having that conversation yeah I mean it's we've we've done a little bit of coordination with other committees like you know Nate was going to the school committee for a while and things like that but I think really interweaving our activities and our strategic thinking with the buildings committee makes a lot of sense I mean if we other stuff on buildings they're the ones who know the buildings and it might be that um we have a it doesn't need all to be heat punts we could have uh some solar panels even if it's not going to get us to the 100% that we wanted for municipal buildings but a package that combines solar panels here and heat pumps there but they're still all working toward that same lowering the energy use and getting off fossil fuels it's like super important to have these conversations now because once something breaks it's kind of too late um it's really important to lay the ground workor yeah um and uh yeah so it's thanks for for doing that Outreach so super important yeah do you want to invite Steve to our next meeting just to sort of like start the process or do you want to wait a little bit I don't think we know enough well if you were to bring him to the meeting what would you well it depends on how much you've talked to him about this stuff like if he knows what we're thinking about and he can start integrating it you know like so I'm thinking I'm jumping ahead to like late fall so you know the capital planning committee is going to start talking about okay we have this long list of things that we can never afford to do so what What flows to the top and then the finance committee will say we've got more more costs than we know how to deal with so you know what are we going to do um I don't think we rate in terms of priority unfortunately at this point but the buildings committee has a little bit of voice and so if they are thinking about I mean to Nate's point if something needs to get upgraded or swapped out before something dies they would know that they can sort of you know introduce that at the conversation so um I think it's mostly having structural things they would know structural things for could a roof sustain the weight of a yeah right so the more we build a partner ship I think we actually might get some movement on this thing yeah so I did not tell him that we were looking to um apply for grant funding I thought that was much too specific but that's clearly in part of our agenda yeah I will share I was at a meeting last Friday and there's a guy from Otis was there and it was a meeting about digital equity and the internet access but in the context of talking he said that they have they put solar in all their municipal buildings and they have a windmill and I said and I said well we try to Windmill 15 years ago and that got that got the buzz off town meeting um but I would and I said how'd you pay for it they paid for it out of pocket I mean they might have you know took a loan or something at her bond but they didn't do it with grant funding which was just shocking to me I don't know how they yeah so and although although they have you know vacation in New Yorkers that's I think the only thing that differentiates us from them they're they're small and we too so just is just as an asterisk it was interesting um I was gonna I just want I I'm sorry for the notes the the spelling of Steve dal's last name d a l l m us just off by one L all right thank you very much and a stepen with a pH uh I okay steveen I put it just put Steve cool thank you so so here's a question just s of jumping ahead of smidge um I am I'm going to be out of town starting August 18th for a couple weeks so the question is do we want to give ourselves a vacation and not meet in August and just regroup in September and then we can invite the buildings committee to December September or do we want to try to meet week before I frog July oh oh yeah sorry it's too hot I just you're so eager to get that vacation no I I wow good call so let's see so July or July meeting uh I know the 16th works for me not the 23rd and the 30th works for me do you all have things that work better or not so if we gonna invite him the 23rd works better for me the 16th I'm out of town okay and the 30th how do that work uh 30th yeah 30th is good 23rd and 30th work for me okay both okay here me too well then let's do the 30th since I won't be there on the 20 so why don't we Dale do you mind talking to Stephen see if he's okay to come on July 30th we can meet hold on let me let me get your screen back um okay so did we decide on the 30th yeah okay so you're asking me will I talk to Stephen doas the answer is yes cool and what will I tell him I think I would say it's an introdu an introductory conversation between the two committees to figure out okay how how we advance our charge and work with them I mean their charge is to maintain the buildings right so you know there there's an overlap there right um and and they have well when this when the building committee got reassembled or recharged um they set out a whole spreadsheet that these are the things that need to be done he said they're still not finished that you know the the building committee was so behind in just maintenance stuff that but he will know well uh the situation of any of the buildings so yeah so I'll invite him to come on the 30th is that what you're saying yeah that would fantastic cool and thank you again for doing that conversation with him y so any other updates from anybody but anything else of note besides reminders that we're in June and not July so we got minutes from Nate and uh everyone get a chance to look at them or um let's see I move we the minutes be accepted what's the date mayate May 28th May 28 be accepted be approved cool I got a second I'll second okay any discussion okay here any changes made Nate no no they we good we've got this thing going so I'll just I'll just call the role so Gail yes I Nate hi Isaac hi and I am an I so Minister approved and that is the last order of business and we're oh my my God at 619 and I said we' be doing at 620 what a tight shoke love it I mean we didn't really anticipate that sojourn on the the um you know the charge line by line edit that was that was about a half hour right there that was excellent work yeah I'm proud of us [Music] gang I agree that was a great that was a great conversation this is this continues to be a great committee yeah find one more person to indoctrinate and we'll be all set so anyone want to move to adjourn I will make a move to ad Jing the meeting second I can okay okay I'm assuming no conversation discussion so Gail how do you vote hi Nate Isaac hi I I thank you all for a lovely evening um we will proceed eventually we'll change the world stay cool keep it cool right good night gentlemen thank you good night