this meeting is being recorded okay um so in the the town H here we have uh John gory cther Hilton John Kinder um myself uh uh Tom Seer and online we have Dave Green Jennifer Wallace Liz good goodel um and Tracy MCD and Walter tibits uh we have enough people here to have a quum so we can't have an official meeting uh and I sent out the agenda a couple days ago uh so we're going to start off by we're opening the meeting up at 9:03 uh I'll review the agenda which includes a section on public comments which is where we're going to have a discussion on the committee scope that Tracy brought up uh we're then going to have a review of the minutes uh from last month 're discuss membership um we discuss ey testing in a lake item s is propos Task Force on funding to reduce storm water runoff and silk contamination uh we give update on Dam activities and for and for card waterbased plan uh update any questions on uh you know on the agenda good all right so let's start off with the uh public uh comment section so I'd like to turn the the floor over to Fring and she uh she brought the subject up uhy we muted right now okay good um could you share this the uh the screen Mark with a document that I sent so everybody can see it I did share members on the committee that I had their email addresses but I don't have didn't have everybody's you see this can you see what's on my screen right now no okay so I gotta figure out how I do a screen share that does anyone know used to be a and then click the one on there we go yep that's great thank you so what I did here is I um with the three iterations of the lake W advisory committee scope and structure uh and you know when it started in uh 1991 um and it was an ad hoc committee at that that point that was put together my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong anybody who was around back at that time is that there was a discussion about the town taking over maintenance of the roads and the town's proposal was if the district is shut down for May um excuse me October through May six months of the year basically like the winter months um they would be willing to take over the roads and folks that owned properties over here didn't want to do that I've heard that you know it's because they felt their property values would would lower that you know their their prospects for moving here in retirement or what I'm sure there was a number of different reasons so that was nixed and the this ad hoc committee was put together with these um three criteria um preserve maintain and enhance recreational use uh address through education and other means septic disposal which are both still you know in other language still part of your of the scope um the third one provide a plan for road maintenance that's that's something I wanted to kind of hone in on was that ever provided from the Lake wola Association a plan for road maintenance and I don't know how long Mark you've been on the committee I don't know if you've been here since 1991 no all I have no idea if um Ro Mak this plan was ever developed could you check into that because it would seems to me that it would have been I mean it was clearly supposed to be turned into the town so that would be um some a document or you know Pro maybe in minutes I I don't I don't know the planning board is the is the committee that started this it started outwalk it was their proposal so maybe the planning board it was turned into the planning board um oh yeah Tom you're in the planning board now maybe you could check into that and see if a road maintenance plan was ever submitted um because that was kind of you know a key piece obviously uh to have a road maintenance plan since the town was not going to maintain the road so what is the plan to maintain the roads um my my knowledge that was never a plan develops could but I think we should check if because you know it seems like none of us were around back at that time it seems like a big piece to just let slide since that was a main focus of the creation of the committee I'll add when I was chairman of elac it was never discussed nor was it as us when I was chairman of elwak um many many moons ago it was never discussed nor was it asked of the committee but was it well it was it um and that was that was at at the time before Mark was on the committee I believe that was myself and Bob Thompson and uh Bill Elliott um back in the earlys it was you know that was I don't know 15 years ago maybe yeah the early ODS yeah so this is 1991 so this goes back twice that much you know so so I think it's worth checking into to see if a road maintenance plan was uh submitted because that was part of the purview of elwak so it should have been done well it can't hurt the check and I'm sure you know one myself and Mark can make that happen yeah or you know uh Tom is on the planning board so he could look too to see if it's back in um planning board minutes okay and then there's the board structure and at that time because it was an ad hoc committee it makes sense to me that the Lake Association would be specified as members because it was ad hoc it was only supposed to be a temporary committee when the roads are owned by the Lake wyola Association at least most of the roads the roads in The Laurels are not they're owned by uh a private citizen I think her name is Priscilla Hagerty can look at the um the tax bill and see that she owns those properties okay so yeah Mark if you could move to the second iteration now this you know as I put at the top question marks as to years when this was the year that this was changed I I don't there was nothing that indicated from this this um this was a document that Mark had sent me back in 2021 uh that had the board structure um I copied it from a document that Mark sent me and the purpose I don't know when it changed but but I got this purpose from the lwac uh page on the shots.org website because that's what's actually still up it's this um you know preserve maintain and enhance recreation use of Lake which is kind of a carryover from the previous one um plan for continued Quality Maintenance with water quality testing nuisance weeds little more detailed sediment removal erosion control and Dam safety develop a longterm sustainable plan for sewage disposal which I believe is just not happening anymore because I know that that plan was something you know it was much larger to have like a a separate sewage system for the lake roads am I correct in that Dave that's what the beer and wine tasting event yeah that of fact now if I remember correctly I took over the chairmanship from Bob Thompson so so um that was Bob yeah that was Bob's baby basically um to try to put in a um um a septics a gigantic septic system basically to appe peas all the properties on the lake and the beer and wine festival that money was being raised uh to at least get a grand study going and that's been totally dropped right I'm not on the Association uh board anymore so I I'm not privy to those discussions Tracy this lwac I'm talking about elwak I'm asking Mark I guess because this is an lwac it's on lwac not I'm not talking about lwa I can provide some backgr on that okay well so what was happening back then U was there sort of in maybe 10 15 years ago maybe little longer um it was uh there was a discussion whether the lake was clean and uh testing was done and confirm that the lake is was very very clean much cleaner than anyone expected right but Bill Ilia thought that with septic systems around the lake eventually uh they would start to fail and uh and it would affect the water quality in the lake so he had perard develop a preliminary plan for sewage treatment for for SE treatment plant and there is a plan for that um around and uh but it turns out that water quality testing was continued and there was never any evidence of any U any problems with water the water still pristine the lake is still in very good shape um and the problem seems to have been addressed by the Board of Health and by bills efforts uh by predominantly by whenever someone had had a building perit done to their house or made substantial changes to their house their septic systems have to be tested and up upgraded to a Title 5 system and uh and and that's been going on for at least since uh I think the early 990s um uh and uh and so through those efforts of I don't think we've had a fail a failed seic system I know cther you can you comment on that systems I did my system failed the year I moved here Catherine knows all about may I answer systems do fail but we have not seen any um they fail basically on on testing and um TI 5 inspection we haven't seen any evidence of septic system contamination anywhere around the lake and in fact anywhere around town and uh so basically the idea that the the sewage treatment plan never went forward because there was never un un right okay so that's that's not that's no longer something that you're doing and and I think the next iteration the most recent one it doesn't say that it's just that it's not up on the website all right and then um and it's still says provide guide now this is changed to provide guidance for road maintenance to reduce runoff so it's specific about the reason and runoff would be contamination to the lake so it seems to me that what happened with your scope is that you started zoning in more on the health of the lake as opposed to the the the Lake wyola Association issue around year round you know opening and all that so and I think that's great um oh don't skip past that sorry this so discussion going here Ser I want keep the conversation I'm going I'm going to the membership yeah because you were just moving past the membership part so it looks like the membership stayed um the same except that you put specific uh technical expertise roles here for Emergency Management director and damke keeper okay and now you can the third one thanks Mar so and this is the change in scope that Mark made me aware of that had happened in June 17 of 2017 it just hasn't been put up on the website yet so that's you know that's the reason that we we didn't really know about it um so this is what I kind of wanted to hone in on so again the language in the purpose statement has gotten more and more um it's it's geared towards the health of the lake which I think is awesome um and you know in in erosion and runoff control clearly encompasses the roads um but it's talking specifically about you know contamination of the lake um so the the pieces here that I just feel are things that I think maybe aren't um working in the best interests of the health of the lake uh is the first one serve as liaison between town government and the Lake community so the lake you know the lake belongs to the town it's I mean there's a lot of I think that there's probably a lot of people outside of of the Lake Community here that are interested in the health of the lake plus the Lake Community is not a separate Community from the town of shutesbury and I live here a year round I considered myself to be a shutesbury resident I happen to live by the lake but I'm not a member of a separate Community um and so I feel that that isn't and it's not it's and also there really shouldn't be a barrier between residents being able to address their government um directly I don't even you know I mean that's kind of I think that's even written in our constitution we have a right to bring our grievances to the government directly so I don't think that the the people that live at the lake should have this barrier between themselves and um a town government when you know everybody else does not have that um so that piece I think I would I would I would advocate for changing just like eliminating it and then under board structure if you could just scroll down a tiny bit just so that yeah okay I can see it um so the membership the the government members are are all the same here select board Conservation Commission Board of Health planning board it would be nice if we had an official planning board member um on here I know it's been a long time since that's happened you made in 2017 officially the Emergency Management director and the damke keeper as official members of elwak no longer just sort of like voluntary looks like it's um and then and then it says no more than five members of the lake W Association so here again I would say that having a a standing committee that's a town committee H some people need to come in from the okay they'd be missing discuss and they want so now you can go back to your screen all right just let me know when I can resume Mark you can resume right now ready okay so again similar to to what I had to say in regards to the the Lake Community um having it be that there's specific requirement for the members that are non- toown members non- toown um officials to be members of the Lake wyola Association um that leaves out people in town who have an interest in the health of the lake I mean people outside of the lake uh the lake roads come to the lake swim at the Lake boat at the lake um and so it seems to me that that should be changed to just um five additional members from shutesbury Community something like that I don't you know the language specifically and the other thing is is that the Emergency Management director and you know while no shade on you because I think that you're great and you're and you're you're great to have here you've got a lot of background in history but seems that maybe your position anymore is not Emergency Management director I I'm not sure if that's the new Poli the new chief of um the uh the fire department or if it's the police chief I don't know but I know that you're no longer that right is that is that true that Walter's no longer the Emergency Management director that is correct um when I was retiring I brought that up that I was no longer the fire chief and the Emergency Management director and therefore you know I was not able to be on the committee and the members at that time felt very strongly with my historical knowledge of the dam primarily and the SLO gate and then the trash rack and all the work I've done with that that they want to keep me on as a technical advisor technical specialist for that um and that's the reason that and they even I think had to there was probably a vote in a vote by the select board to approve that I'm not sure um but yes right now the Emergency Management director it's been bouncing around a little bit since I've left as to who was going to do it who wanted to do it who didn't want to do it and I believe it is back now as Lenny zanka as the fire chief and Emergency Management director but I don't think he has been approached about um sitting in on this committee I'm not sure well and that kind of goes to my point about you know eliminating the language around the five additional members having to be Lake wyola Association members because that seems to me where Walter would fit in as just he's he lives in the town and he and he'd be a great a great member I I agree that Walter should remain I think you're a great member of this committee but also the Emergency Management director is actually in 2017 it was made an official Town um official Town um what am I trying to say an official from the town um on this committee is an e the Emergency Management director so so still that's the way that's the the position that um is listed so that's that's that's all I have to say um yeah those are the things I would like that I think that should be changed those two pieces in this and otherwise I think the scope and the structure are great okay um before we have any discussions on this U uh are there any other public comments Al your hands is raised I'm stop my screen sharing now um yeah that was mistake I had raised it when when um was talking and she asked the question directly so okay Thomas uh comment yeah um I think when I was just looking at the last iteration there I do have a question um it would be I guess for one question would be what is the definition of theay community and I do think it's a it's an interesting thing that came up I hadn't really thought of it before but I I think I agree I don't know if it's not the sh fa community so I wondered is there an actual definition of it that's why out okay so that does seem to be potentially language that could be fixed if it doesn't have a definition you know and also liaison does that have a definition because it it sounds almost like it could be a ref representative role whereas previously it had it had been an advisory role for the elac but it's not a representative Commission in terms of for the citizens to have a representative to Theon for them the way I understand it so I I think it is interesting that Top Line does just ask it makes me want to ask what is a liaison and what is the community and might there be language that could say the same thing but with more defined terms can I there's a there's some history here where I think um Tracy alluded to the the D 180 day limit um proposal um way back I guess in the 90s and there was tension between people who had properties of the lake especially people who were not voting residents of shoots caring and and um elements of the town government that wanted to limit their access to their places so there was there was there were two perceived sides and the part of the point of elac was to facilitate communication between most of s and so that's where that language comes from it's perhaps less pertinent now that's that's how that because that language wasn't there in the 90s though that's what's interesting that language came up in 2017 you know it was just being carried through and then in but I mean it was invented in 2017 it wasn't carried through it was an advisor role for the like they never mentioned Lake Community before and it never mentioned leaon before which is just interesting that it from what you're saying stuff that was in the 90s not described as that became described as that in 2017 it was always considered what the purpose of one the prime purposes but it was never written was not necessarily that's hard to put my head around if it's considered something that not written down just in terms of we all we all have St structure purposes and what is the 180d thing I didn't know what that meant I think it was the planning board wanted to limit use of of um properties to seasonal use for no more than 108 days and there was a huge CLE um and you know people were taking sides and there was there was communal Sprite and this committee was intended to try to use that obviously that that um proposal failed at I guess now meeting and um so there were there was B so that was part of what was going on then in 2017 we previously had a dam management committee and it came to our attention that all the people on the dam management committee were actually on L so we mve them yeah I did read that in minutes of some sort so I guess just what's interesting to me about the 2017 iteration is the possibility that there could be unintentionally exclusive language with Lake community and Lake wola Association kind of differentiating them outside of the SHO community so I and it's also noticeable that the word Road doesn't appear anymore but especially because this was a committee that was brought into existence largely by the planning board it's interesting to me that the word road is no longer in the iteration in 2017 as that is such an intrinsic part of what the planning board would be involved with and I wonder if by not having it in there it really removes the aspect of Road and it say being important to name but even if it's not named I don't think it eliminates it but I just think it's it's confusing and I wonder if it might be better just to preserve the word Road in the purpose statement had been in the previous two purpose statements and it provides that connection more explicitly to the planning board's role along with the Board of Health the concom so those would be my comments Mark could you bring back the the see screen share Mark oh did they freeze Tracy I did they did I think so yeah I I I I can say this because because it's I know this open meeting but I did say something at the select board meeting last week to Becky Torah you know Becky said she's asked a million times but she's gonna ask again to get them to make sure I'm sure she has you know it's not that big of a deal but problem is I gotta get out of here and now well in technically it's kind of like a violation of open meeting law that's the you know and she knows that but she can't she can't fix it herself right well it's usually just a few minutes but this is six now we're not gonna have this problem and sometimes it happens twice during it's just the lwac that gets hit with it because it's this time of morning like just make it at 7 o'clock in the morning it seems like such a simple ask of the company that maintains the the system but I don't know or maybe or maybe move the elac me the well yeah except there where else right now till the library is built you know there's no community building it's no space I don't think all right well I could I guess I'll microwave my coffee yeah bu you want some more foodie yeah BBY I'm going give you some more foodie don't worry which my little puppy which my little baby yeah you want [Music] [Music] us oh they're back got your dishes done Mark are we all back I think we are much so I guess I was given some incorrect information and at the generator may have been set to go to start on Sunday but it seems to be well still on this to start up on Saturday so it is what it is Mark just Mark just for the sake of time it's 9:31 we usually schedule each meetings for an hour uh we've had a lot of public comment on this discussion I'm just wondering if the for the sake of time so we can get to the rest of the meeting we all agree to take this issue under advisement and put it on the agenda for the next meeting for a full meeting discussion by the committee ahead and try to flush it out today we do that c com KCK in and I'd like to give her the opportunity to sorry I don't remember what we were all right so um I mean there there a great discussion and I think it it needs more time uh I just don't think in the scope of trying to get in everything we want to get in today we want to it as it was brought up in public comment now I think it should be put on as an official agenda item for the committee to discuss I think that's that's the only thing I just I just want to say is that I I did ask her to be at as an official agenda item I'm not quite sure why I got put put into public comment because this was two this was two meetings go we skipped it last time because there weren't enough members from elwak here so and last time it wasn't on a public comment it it was it was on the agenda so I actually asked it to move I asked for it to be mov the public comment Tracy because it was coming from a non-committee member and I really wanted to follow that structure uh but it's I'm certainly not asking that we not I think it's a great topic and I think it needs to be flushed out I'm just saying for the purpose of time um I would like to get it on to the next agenda meeting as I'm officially requesting that now okay so I think we should have board by the committee members so well let's have let's have a motion in a second I move that we we uh do this stage just said okay so we have a motion to put this item uh on the agenda for our next meeting uh do you have a second second all in favor actually we open the roll call Howard Catherine yes John uh AR yes yep Mark is yes and who else Walter yes am I missing anybody okay that's okay so we'll put this on the agenda uh we our next meeting good discussion everybody and uh so let's go back to uh to to our AG regular agenda and um let's review the minutes of our last meeting which was April 20th does anyone have any corrections or suggestions I'm gonna obviously obain because I fortunately was not at that meeting and could I Mark could I ask that you stop sharing the screen now because we still have that up on the screen excellent one of these days I will figure out this Sy there we go now we can see how good all right so um we have a motion to accept the minutes so oh second so vote Howard yes Catherine yes John Dave yes wait a minute I can't approve the minutes I wasn't there okay you can vote anyway I can well then I approve them because I read them Walder yes excellent so we evid approved and I'll send those off to Grace to put on the website uh committee membership um uh Mary David resigned as the U as our member from the conservation commiss she resign the Conservation Commission and this committee um uh so we uh we'll have to contact the Conservation Commission once they get emplo staff and see if they can provide a new member I want to thank Mary for her contribution she she was a she solid attendee and always had good comments and uh um and she was a she was an ask to the committee any comments from the committee members he EXC item six on the agenda is the poye testing plan and uh this Catherine ask us to put those in on all turn the the FL over to G I have not um heard anything recently the last I knew from Bob lanf they were unable to find somebody to take the water samples for their weekly water test the company that did it last year has gone out of business and um they were unable to find somebody to do it and um I suggested that they try to get whoever was doing the park but I don't know if that has happened um back back when the committee started we were doing once a month testing and it was done entire the water samples were taken by usually bill and I think you were in it and maybe I did it yeah um I do it again but I thought they said they couldn't do that anymore Catherine that it had to be a professional service who said that I thought they they got in trouble because it wasn't being done consistently so they got I thought the association got slapped on the hand and they had to actually pay for it because obviously when it was done by volunteers it was a lot easier I yeah I I was doing it when I wasn't working as soon as I went back to work I said I can't do this anymore right I I am unaware of of their being required to um to pay someone to take the water temples there was a problem that they weren't taking water samples as often as they were supposed to under Bill Elliot's regime um he had he thought he had some kind of poll where they only had to do it um once a month the people no longer allow that without all without their jumping through all kinds of Hoops involving uh complete nonpoint source contamination study and so on and I gave them this information when I got a DP seven years ago and no action was taken not surprisingly so they have to have water testing weekly or close to beaches yeah right I'm gonna ask Art a question here art do you know if there's been test the association been able to get someone to do the water testing yeah we're we're testing the association beaches weekly um we Matt Borowitz who's a member of the board his daughter is taking the samples and then transporting them to whatever the name of the lab is in Hatfield Howard Labs Howard Labs so I I don't know if we've started yet Memorial next weekend we start so and I forget the day I think I think they test on Monday or Tuesday so if they get a high reading they can still retest during the week um but yeah so it sounds like the uh the issue is it's all set sound like they've sorted it out yeah great all yeah and and you know I I I don't Dave I don't know if uh you know if there's a rule that we can't do it ourselves or not and but there's no company to do it well then guess we're doing it ourselves then there we go so we're doing it ourselves I mean I did see this the like me last year this this gent very professional would show up you know put all his gear on head down there so I gotta think that cost a small fortune he's done okay okay so I think this is all squared away and so the Board of Health should start getting these test results um yes in the near future right there's going to be some new kind of reporting where we actually upload the results directly to dph and so those test results might be available online I'll let you know more about that after I tried it out great that be excellent thank you um gra you have your hand raised comment yeah I just I just wanted to bring up something in relation to this I had sent um uh the Board of Health um some uh beachwater testing data that I found on the mass.gov website Unfortunately they only post it once a year but they post for every Lake in the in the whole state um and one thing that I picked up on is that all the state owned beaches and some Town beaches test for something called they're testing instead of ecoli which most places it's just ecoli is enter aaki and it looks like it's a family of bacteria and the State Beach failed last year 68 days they were closed because of it um so it just seems to me that that's probably there you know present in the other beaches too because it's why would it just be there not around the lake especially with speedboats kind of you know swirling it up so I don't know I thought that's something that maybe should be looked into because it's a lot of time that the State Beach was closed and the previous summer they were also closed quite a bit of the Season not not that you know not as much as 68 days but like I think it was in the 30s or 40s it was a lot of days the previous summer so something's going on okay Mark um I mean I can only say that that we you know the Board of Health requires e testing U the inter cocky testing is is according to BS my conversation with years ago is was primarily for salt water but the state has one uniform um protocol I guess and so all all you know all state facilities make that measure okay any other comments about the testing Comm members all right thank you um next item is the Propst task force to investigate funding options to reduce storm water war and self contamination in the lake um uh we uh participated or I participated and Jennifer uh in a u select board meeting on the 7th where we brought this issue to the select board Jennifer wrote up an excellent summary which I sent out to everybody our scope of the meeting or scope of The Proposal um uh we it was discussed at that select board meeting and Rita uh took uh Jennifer's scope and has changed it a bit modified and didn't enhanced it um and both Jennifer and I and Becky have seen practice of that I think we've we haven't got the final draft of it yet we last night we still going back and forth um but it's coming along nicely you like to provide some some color to this or comments oh yeah um I'd only say that one one outcome of that select board meeting uh was that Rita and the others at the meeting felt that it was important that this task force be uh let's see for lack of a better word under the select board you know that it be a select board Town task force and that effort would be to provide a coordinating and Leadership role for all of the storm water issues whether they involve lake wyola lake wyola roads or not you know that their perception was that it is a townwide issue so this gets a little bit to what um Tracy was talking about in terms of our scope or mentioning road maintenance and so on I think the the uh energy is more now towards stormwater management uh as a townwide issue so I felt myself I'm not an lwac member but that that's a super positive uh development for the town to see that they have some um some leadership they could provide to dealing with these issues so um that's all I would add to what Mark said what's the followup Jen to it at this point uh the the uh at that meeting there was the um decision that in order for it to be a select board task force that it would need a charge okay board and that that is now the thing that's popping back and forth so the proposal that you guys saw was largely unchanged by was reorganized a little bit she fleshed out a member section um which was I think 11 members and it's quite expansive in terms of pulling in as many different kinds of people and residents uh and then we've had a little back and forth on the background to it but uh it's back on the agenda for everyone to review the charge uh that will be on Tuesday's select board meeting is that that's Yeah Tuesday so the select board approves this that's it the committee is then going to be formed is that how it's going to work my understanding correct okay thank you Jen thank you Jen any comments questions from the Comm members good yeah one thing one of my comment is it seems like we're get getting past this um this discussion where it's these are private roads and therefore the town can't do anything to them or can't participate in the solip and again been very El convincing uh Rita and I think Becky now that there is a there is a a role for a dual World everyone work together on this on this Pro so it's all positive oh yeah if there's no other comments on that we'll go up to go on to the next agenda item which is noted on Dam activities okay um so what's what I I'll give a quick update on where things are right now um our engineering company GCA is working working diligently on on the per understanding the permitting process um so right now they're U they they've been in conversations with the natural heritage endangered species group um and they're we working on setting up a Mee with them uh to discuss the endangered species being the bridal Sher and they want to understand uher they want to understand if uh nhp feels that the draw down would would be would affect this and would affect the Shiner and if it does what is what are mitigating steps that they would like to see so there's a good conversation of about that um we've also um are looking into chapter 91 licensing and uh and uh and draw down from from chapter 91 group and so they're looking at two different things one is U uh there there are two things that would except the dam from having a requiring licensing the first thing is that the dam was substantially has not been substanti changed since before 1984 which is the case uh we have the design documents when the dam was rebuilt and the before and after and there's really been no change to the dam So based upon the the law the dam doesn't require an operating license the idea of whether the U the the drown is was grandfathered in uh has to do with whether we have records going back to the 90s um and going back from early late 80s U as to whether we have any records that the lake was drawn down if we have records that say that the lake has been continuously drawn down since then it's effectively uh becomes grandfathered in and so we W need the the the perit process go gets to be a lot easier it just comes out of countown at that point um if we have those records uh it would sa the town about $100,000 in permitting fees so it's really it would really be nice to have um right now uh we have B power has records going back into the well mine back then yeah and so they're looking for records going back you know to 194 is really the the the key data and we have able to find uh Becky's check can't find the records in town archives and so my question to everyone here is uh does anyone have any ideas where there might be records of such a thing do these have to be written records they have to be they don't think can be a number of photogs well does photographs have dates Association I'm speak yeah I think in photographs that we had going back i' have to dig into that I was just wondering about that amongst everybody else if they had such things that would satisfy well know we have photographs with dates on few old days the photographs actually had dates back a lot of times when they were developed U that would be helpful anyone have have other ideas a lot many times gone back what I have anything find her work was done on the there was they it was a draw but it was about yeah um that was around 2007 yeah well I yeah so for the long time members um can you can think of anything uh any Source or records in town there maybe some other committees uh I kind of look back through the the like the committee that started before this before El which was the uhola and wendle state parks oh right that advisory and I and I scan those and and I did search on those and didn't find any reference but that that uh that committee didn't really go back that far yeah that's right it didn't and so uh but I was looking for any any references um so if you guys anybody can think of something Source sa had a lot of money let's see Walter you have your hand raised yeah just for clarification how far back is are they looking for records and then how far back is the records that Howie has a copy of go and I believe there was records that he had submitted at some point that went back further than that and those are the ones that the town can't find find when I first started down there the the record book was not there it been lost for some reason and I started my own but I wasn't writing it like I do now with late levels and all that I just how much we open the gate and how much it closed and what I did you know there was if it was a reason for it the not to be in there I think they were a coule your records but the issue didn't go that far enough late 80s because I started in 82 but I wasn't I didn't start records I think until later um did we does anyone recall when we started to the actual annual draad did we always do a small dra you know what you done or was it I know we used to do them every five years or so and we get records of that um but do did we ever do an annual draw record think started it's been all during my time okay so so since since uh well since so so it has been since you started 82 yeah so then we have that effectively doing it you know well just the records and how how far back is is the state looking to to have records to prove that we've been doing it historically January 1 1984 or or just about we got back to the late anytime in the 80s that would work all right thank you let's see try you have your hand up yeah I just wanted to mention I mean I'm not quite sure that that just got all cleared up and that how we was taking records from 82 and so therefore that would be who the only records would be with but I if that's not the case I just wanted to point out that I I believe that the um the dam is dated to the Conservation Commission so it seems that records would go would have gone to them um and I don't know somebody if you know who was on the Conservation Commission in the early 80s I don't know maybe somebody's got some records in their house copy thank you is that the case about the am I right about that that the the DM is under the perview of Conservation Commission they they own it is owned by the town my understanding because it's in a wetland it's it's it's in a you know it's in buer area of the lake you know they have jurisdiction over not jurisdiction have to approve changes that are made like to call the rep and let the dam live there but um they just is their role ising is in what the wedland protection act enforcing the wedland protection act that's their whole well I guess I'm speaking of the land use Grant I think that it was needed under a land use Grant so that that is an ownership thing but anyway I think that checking with the Conservation Commission if you can find out who was on it back early 80s maybe that's an Avenue thank when I first started we worked for conservation and then it changed I think I got could check okay I can some kind note be great that um B you have your hand great thank you Mark um uh I had I apologize I came in a little late can you tell me a little bit more about the uh the fees that are required $100,000 these are the um these are the fees to the engineering company GC over a two-year period that to work on getting all the per all the permits and filing all the applications and permitting they talk their budget is like uh I think 25,000 this year and it goes up to $45,000 next year and so that's basically what it is and fin en of course but the big thing is the is is their their time and resources and um uh but there's some kind of grandfathering if if you can show it has been drawn down for a period of time that uh set of permits isn't required um the the permitting becomes much more uh much easier we will require Misa Misa review which is a which is a complicated review process and uh um is my understanding I'm not I really have to speeding this stuff that that much but it's um there's a lot more state agencies if we don't get grandfathered there's a lot more state agencies that get involved okay that's that's very helpful thank you Mark I appreciate it and we the town is really trying to do things by the book you know we're not know but if we're grandfather just we grandfather it saves a lot of money it doesn't mean we we're still going to get the permits to the drw downs but it's it's more so it makes it the process a lot easier okay that GCA is working on is investigating the looking at scoping the the dam maintenance repairers uh the last two Dam inspections uh there were a number of items identified and these are in the minutes of our meetings things like uh there's the SL gate has a leak in it uh it need to be plugged the mort on the top of the dam needs to re uh repaired U just regular maintenance and so they're looking at that scoping on it and so we could go off the bid to get that work done so there a lot of activity around the dam in the H in great shape but we're just trying to you know keep it in and do everything right this past week they put up all the parking signs on both sides of the street oh excellent did I just hear the no parking signs on up yes both sides of the street okay that should be interesting thanks H um any other comments about the dam or questions about the dam the next item quick one the uh status of perog wat Watershed based plan which is you know the plan it's looking at the water shed and and what needs to be done uh that's still currently with mass D and we're they're waiting for the masterp review and approval of their of the plan for con grow so St platform it's been it's been with d for a while um I do check back every month and I said and I think they check in M EP every month just to see what's going on and uh we're just we're just on cold any comments or questions on that Jen Jen you have a I just have a quick question so if this is a furog you know plan and uh research and all of that you know what is D's role in that do they challenge the plan do they is it if it was if it's just informational then you would think D could just receive the final plan but are you do you know what their role is are they do they have some authority to change the plan oh absolutely yes they can make Rec they have made they have reviewed earlier drafts they have made recommendations for changes I see uh and they can still recomend more changes I got it okay and uh and it's important to get NP involved and suppor of of a plan because uh that will help us get uh both state and federal funding once that once we have a water based a watershed based plan in effect in place that defines all the problems and you know helps prioritize um Health prioritize know what needs to be done then we'll we have a much better shot at getting state and federal funding I understand it's like the big stamp of approval but that's that's pretty much it by the they it's just not rubber stamp they do they they're they they question it they they they a serious look at okay thank you Mark is there is there an actual formal approval that they issue saying that this is an approved plan by op how that yes yeah they that's right that's what will happen and once when once we get that then we can start looking at fund sources uh the first one would be a a fund do the design work right now this this this uh this plan describes mods the next next phase is to define the solutions and so get we get funding for engineering studies to uh to you know come of the the the solution and then the third phase uh would be funding to have implement the solutions and some of it been funding from variety of organizations including the The Rake B Association the town um so it's a it's a it's a long process but it's a uh you know but it's it's just the way it is it's just a step by step so the the select board uh task force kind of dupat some of this stuff um but uh it may help things long faster uh jeffre s your hand raised I didn't mean to but I'll just say when we talked to the select board that question came up and you know just to the extent that I have you know a picture of what this task force might look like or be doing um it seems that the jumping off point for the task force would be the furog study you know that the effort is not to duplicate but to take that material and then run with it I was going to make the same comment J but I didn't want to put the carpet for the horse okay we good on this Mark I think so any more comments and questions from the committee members okay um good thank you um the last item is items not recently anticipated so are there any any other items for Comm members oh I have a I have a question about that were you asked as the as the committee chair to to f the committee about the future future format for meetings there's going to be an all boards meeting in June and the boards and I don't know if committees are included were asked to sort of P their members and talk about what their wishes are for the format of future meetings whether inperson uh Zoom or U or hybrid I don't know if if this committee was kind of included in that I'm not sure if we're included by it's wor while to get get everyone's opinion so the so the question is I guess the select word is looking at the possibility of changing the format of these of these meetings you know during Co they were all h no they were all Zoom then we moved to a hybrid me Group which we were the first group this actually do a Hy meeting um and it was a little tricky at first and we're gotten much better at it um and so and then I guess the third possibility is to go back to only inperson meetings which as was done prior to co uh any comments Comm manye members had SE you know that with this H there's more people involved just inperson meetings was just I do think the hybrid version is more inclusive um but I um I certainly would would be willing to come back down to the town hall for meetings I don't have to do it online if that's what the committee would prefer um I'm I'm open to whatever the the select board announced at their last meeting that all meetings will be hybrid and essentially it will become a question of how to establish good quality hybrid meetings because that's been the issue is the quality of the hybrid meetings so they have already presented uh Technologies they might go to different spaces they might use but terms of the format they announced that pyate is essentially they decided upon so it's kind of a question of going from there how well it will be done so to say or can be done right and then then also when you get into multiple meetings and meetings overlapping if we only have one or two places to do hybrid it's going to make scheduling meetings very difficult on those popular nights so I mean I don't think it'll affect this group very much but it'll affect most everybody else if they have it on have to have everything hybrid just a just a thought there I I like the hybrid it does give you some flexibility when say you're running late and you can't be there in person but you still want to make the meeting or you're out of town you can still join the meetings it's nice to be able to have people get together in one place so that part of the hybrid I really like but if we require all of them to be hybrid it'll just I the only thing I can see is is going to make a scheduling issue um with on those nights that there's a lot of meetings so Mark they they froze again all right yep must the generator just went off it happens twice in the morning on Saturday mornings it's just so weird this was the last the meeting uh gang I've got to get into the Green Field so I'll talk to you soon thank you bye David it seems to me and and maybe this is just off the wall but couldn't they do the regenerator cycle like a different day like Sunday Bob this has been an issue we've been B fighting for couple years and I hate to say it I think this is still being recorded so I'm going to say it anyways is that that you know it's the because it only affects this group when it doesn't really affect you it doesn't become high priority it it takes a few minutes to reprogram the the um controller on the generator there's there's instructions right there how to do it it's just having the right people remember that when they're there doing the service oh yeah we were supposed to have you change the the time cling on this or having them change it and do it right that's you know that's the issues there is it it's very easy to do it's just like a lot of things with town government getting it to happen is sometimes a difficult thing I I I appreciate that Walt it and and and you know I was kind of in the same train of thought it's like somewhere there's a there's a little computer that starts and stops IT hey just just tell the computer to go to a different time so oh yeah you go in and program it to do whatever you want and just because it's set up the first time doesn't mean you can't change it you can easily go in and change it it's just having somebody to do it I mean I've even offered but I won't go in and touch it without because I'm not you know the fire chief for the Emergency Management director anymore I will not touch it unless I'm specifically asked just for the liability issues um so hopefully and and it was told to mark that it had been done it switched to Sunday but maybe they added Sunday and left Saturday in there I'm not sure I'm not sure what happened yeah apparently so hello I we're back online I if you can hear us yep we can hear you I was really excited when I was told him switch to Sunday but I never Envision the possibility both it sounds like that's what it is they changed it to Sun or he might have added Sunday but forgot to take Saturday out oh Bob has his hand raised yeah I I apologize Mark we had a little conversation while while we were uh in limbo um you know I I I would I would ask that um you know as as chairman of this group you asked you asked the selectman or town manager or administrator or both if this if we could get uh continuity in in the meeting and not have the these interruptions Walter or somebody said that it's simply a programming might be able to be taken care of um be honest I've been trying for two years idea I know Walter's tried um get it done himself get it done everybody every C has had conversations uh with the powers to be and it's the it's we I kind of I had come to accept what what the reality of what it is and then all of a sudden I was told it was all fixed so much for optimistic thinking thank you for your persistence and and I'll I'll talk to Becky this week and see if we get the the gener people back out here because they must have charged them to come out here to change to Sunday that way we get two trip um so um I guess we had a little discussion here about parti about the uh media format the meeting s there you know there's some a number of people complain that the zoom me are really the worst for or the Hy me are the worst for and and sounds like it might be out of our hands Tom seem to think the decision was already made but I but then we're not exactly sure so anyway uh we'll keep our uh we'll keep our eyes up what's going on and that um any other items want to discuss okay it's uh it's about 9 10:13 uh a motion to close the meeting move to aour Second so let's assume the meeting is going to be in end thank you very much everybody thank youbody and uh we'll see you next month all right see you guys bye I in some cases I think my high the mees are worse because yeah