great good evening everyone we're about to start if you could please take your seats appreciate it and if you could silence or turn off your cell phones it would be greatly appreciated attorney manager good evening everyone and welcome here South Miami city hall today is Tuesday June 18th 2024 the time is approximately 7:00 p.m. at this time we'd like to call to order the uh City commission meeting for the city of South Miami again uh if you could please silence your cell phones we would greatly appreciate it Madam clerk if you could call the role please yes mayor Fernandez present Vice May bonish here commissioner Cory present commissioner Cay here commissioner Leman present you have a quum thank you if we could please stand for a brief prayer and moment of silence and as we begin tonight's Reflections i' just like to um uh express our condolences for the family of Paul hunt Paul was a dear a dear neighbor and friend uh a beloved leader in our community he passed away this past Friday um I had the privilege of getting to know Paul about 22 years ago in my prior work of the city of Miami where Paul was at the time an active member of the co GES Congregational Church and was leading an effort to uh create a micr lending program here uh in in Miami D County one of his many Civic and charitable Endeavors uh many of you may know him from his work here at the city through the National Association of Social Work and also his prior leadership of the uh Alliance on Aging here in Miami day County uh we will miss Paul and our heartfelt condolences go out to his family uh and in his memory we'll pray a quick Hail Mary Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed are thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy wom Jesus holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death amen thank you commission Kai if you can lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible and justice for all thank you please be seated just have one thing I need to yes M Vice I wanted to say something I just wanted to say in the event that I get up momentarily my daughter is homesick alone and as they like to say nobody puts that baby in a corner so if she calls I'm going to have to get up and go and take that excellent thank you you will be excused thanks thank you uh Madam clerk we have a couple presentations this evening yes who's first please Winston Harris from RS and H or traffic Hing measures Mr Harris welcome good evening thank you all right um Winston Harris um with RSN um back in November of last year um fdot district 6 contracted our St to help them with what we call a road safety audit not necessarily a traffic caling study a low traffic calming measures do come out of these studies it's a road safety audit along US1 so I'm here to prevent some pre preliminary findings from our work that we have been doing and um get your feedback as to things that you know your opinion is so there we are you can see the project we're along us one from Southwest 88th Street up to 57th Avenue okay I wrote save the audit so what is our road safety audit we're really taking a qualitative look um at existing conditions along the roadway we're looking for safety concerns and we're making suggestions to address those safety concerns so importantly at this stage we're not doing data collection we're not doing design the department will look at those suggestions they will follow up and they will make a determinations of what suggestions they can move forward with um we had a team working with us the team consist of several you know Traffic Engineers somewhere here today rotary engineers and importantly working with the city so I've been working with your city staff in terms of getting information on them on what are some of the issues um along with Scara and some of the primary issues we had coming out was really pestan safety so a lot of focus on the road safety audit was paid to pestan safety along the cor please feel free to ask questions as you go along and there you see the F's Compass of course I should mention um this road safety out is certainly keeping with fd's collaborative um safety being their number one criteria um trying to drive down fatalities and serious injures to zero and of course coordinating with the communities okay um the next couple of slides we'll look at some of those areas where there were safety concerns identified and some of the suggestions for addressing some of those safety concerns um first and foremost is that section of us one um between Southwest 72nd Street and Southwest 78 um this is that area where some time ago um the city had looked at the possibility of providing a overhead um facility Crossing facility for pedestrians City made a determination that that over facility would not um be in the best interest meet they what you're looking for so we're asked to look at some kind of upgrade solution which should be a lot more cheaper probably used a lot more by pedestrians um given the volumes and given the pedestrian activ in this here of course um what we determine would probably be you know a reasonable solution would be to provide some kind of signalized pedestrian Crossing so um this would beit similar to something like what you have at currently at US1 and 24 Street which probably a lot of you have seen that kind of a Crossing so it would be a pedestrian push button type actuation signal um because of the proximity of those intersections signalized intersection to the north and to the South would have to make sure that it is coordinated um so that we maintain progression along us one and then we would also have you know try to look at the possib possibility of trying to implement what we call leading pedestrian intervals at those adjacent signals where they have been a lot of pedestrian crashes me reported about seven within that section over the past five years sorry just within this section yeah within the section yeah we pulled crashes between 2018 and 202 up to 2023 but this section that's on the graphic right now this section on the graphic well going up to 57 Avenue I should say got it there was there were seven reported crashes um involved in pedestrians along along that section so certainly a High um High pedestrian activity here and a lot of conflicts involved in PS and vehicles um so Mr before you move on can I just ask a question about this slide anyone else have any questions colleagues go ahead and uh so that that uh the Crossing you're suggesting that is of the same style as the one on 24th Avenue further up the corridor would that be it somewhere in the some of a mid block condition between 70th and 72nd correct would you envision correct um if you look at the graphic and see where that yellow pedestrian one is that's roughly the area that we're looking at which would be just south of 71st you know going North 71st as you go north of 71st it opens up and you get another left turn lane so if you put it just out of there you'd have a narrow section for pance across you could reduce the um the total Crossing time and you would also have the median to provide a two- stage Crossing so a lot of options um installing it just south of 74st Street as I said moving forward do of course you have to go collect some traffic out data some design look at possibilities there may be other obstacles in that vicinity you know drainage and stuff dra structures which you know at this level we're not looking to that detail so but within that vicinity we think would be um an appropri Place yeah yeah thank you mayor um so have you have you looked into the flow of people coming off the metro station uh more so on 72nd Street and then I also see a lot of flow going northbound on US1 but they cross all the way at at 71st Street um the interactions coming from the metro station on on that particular area you would have to make a big loop to come back around so one thing that we should look into um second like you guys are doing the the to my understanding you guys are doing the traffic study based on what you're seeing in the past three years what what can you talk a little bit more about future usage based on what we see as the usage model and the amount of density that we're going to see particular in that particular area within the next 5 to 10 years is that something that we can address as well okay so yeah so let let me clarify so the the RSC is really looking at we're going out there today and we've seen what's happening out there today of course speaking with um the city staff we got a lot of information about plan developments um both to the East and to the west of us as one so whatever we see out there today in terms of pedestrian activities certainly the anticipation is that that's going to increase over time which is going to make it even more warranted for having some kind of Crossing in there so yes that information is there um as the project moves forward that data in terms of pedest generation as well as collecting existing traffic will all be taken to the account and saying yeah we can justify a signal here a pant crossing here and here's the appropriate location but yes future conditions are taken into consideration can you for for us for me that I don't sorry how many more questions you think you'll need I just want to keep us moving sorry I have a few okay let's I mean this is important yeah it is let's just rather than interrupt this person let's say it to the end sure that's okay and we'll pick them up that way continue sir sorry yeah that's okay we have um quite a few slides but um the first couple of ones really talk about the main points and then I kind of can float through the other ones um but this was probably one of the most important locations because this was the initial driving force for the road safety audit um the next slide is just a graphical illustration of what it would probably look like um overhead signals back plates um highlights reflectors to kind of um so the signals are as visible as possible and of course push button activated looking at the rest of the C that we did notice within that section between 8th Street and 62nd Avenue it's a half mile section where there was no pedestrian Crossing there's no ability there's no facility to Crossing roading within that half mile section so of course anyone that's Crossing within that section is there's there could be an issue so we are we are suggesting looking at possibility of another Crossing similar to the one we previously just discussed within that section um you see right where we're that um highlighted pit Crossing is it's just about at 63rd um Avenue um which happens to be us see the next slide a location where we're suggesting for um some improvements also so um similar to the previous one trying to put some Crossing facility to cover that wide Gap half mile Gap where there's just no facility for our pedestrian to get across the roadway and as I mentioned um 63rd Avenue is the next um era that we looked at of concern this is a Tina section multiple conflicting movements left turns coming out of 63 left turns um from us one entering and exiting um a lot of congestion a lot of conflicts at this location certainly we feel like it could benefit from some kind of a control for traffic trying to enter an exit at 63rd Avenue a couple suggestions were were looking at either a um call restricting some of the the movements um to provide what we call a directional median opening um typically at these locations the most um conflic in movements is those left terms getting out because they cross two movements and that's the most difficult media when you movement when you're out there you can see it um so that would be one option u a second option would be trying to signalize it you signalize it you could cover two things at once provide the um protection for drivers coming in and out as well as trying to provide some pedestrian cting facility within that location in fact it was at 63rd Avenue was the second location I should have mentioned where there was a fatal crash involved in a pedestrian so certain The Pedestrian activities are concerned here also um the next location is at 6 first which is very similar to 63 same type of T intersection multiple movements um conflict in movements what can we do to kind of address it could we signalize it or could we do a directional media open um those are two options again that do would look at um for addressing the conflicts at this location so very similar condition to 63 again um illustrating a directional media and open that with restrict left turns from not of 61st and or a signal at this location okay traffic congestion um traffic congestion is throughout the entire c um and all intersections um it's a systemic problem along US1 as you know um suggestions that we were putting forward to try to address some of these are more low cost type of suggestion is tsmo type stuff which is signal timing adjusting signal phasing adjusting signal operations to try to get the most out of the signals we could put in a more advanced traffic management system to help coordinate the signals automated that's possible also we are aware that there are some locations where there are some particular concerns um not referencing detail here but we know at 62 Avenue in particular there was a concern brought to us just recently regarding um we say this left turn movements making um Northbound and some let called it 6 second North and South left turns currently they do make those turns just on a permissive that means they're not protected at any point in time time during the signal phasing for making that movements so one of the things we could look at is try to provide a um protected left turn phase for those movements um as is on some of the other intersections here um or you could try to um what call spit phase so let the north bounds go the southbounds go either way provide some protection this would require of course do and if this moves forward Gathering additional data doing what they call a LIF and analysis to determine yes this solution would work but certainly that's something that will be looked at and will be referenced um in our report okay um the next couple of slides a lot of discuss a lot of of Maintenance low cost typ stuff that needs to be addressed throughout the entire C we saw a lot of ADA issues um at sidewalks um we're not going to go through all of them here just just touching on some of them cross slopes many locations where the cross slopes um exceed um the minimum 2% um would need to be addressed multiple locations we saw that um the Ada um requirements at those at the entrances this one is within the the median um it's missing in many locations um this one is a medium but more a lot are missing at the um at the edges of the street as you get on to the sidewalk let's we move I think okay he okay this next one again um the detectable warant device is again missing at some locations just touching on a couple these are cheap Rel I should relative low expensive um counter measures that the do can address um fairly quickly our others um clear wids uh 4 foot requirement for wheelchairs again we found out at several locations um some more difficult to address than others this is one where it's a it's a next to a m arm can be addressed by adding some sidewalk J into it others are little more difficult to address this one's a huge pole in sidewalk would probably try to um increase the turn radius here to get the full forward clearance if we can um tripping hazards again this is throughout the entire C multiple locations where um there's more than a quarter inch Gap in the surface which is which is you know when there's a more quity Camp then we say that's possibly a tripping Hazard that that can cause some injuries so that's a maintenance issue again which through the ca many locations here are other examples of tripping aards we've found throughout the ca these are not difficult to address saw some locations where we had pet signals um that were missing the do has a um tripar project which is addressing some of these right now as we speak uh again signal heads we did find some locations where signal we did some nighttime reviews signal heads were not operating um during the night time again um can easily be resolve maintenance drop off hazards we saw some locations where um the sloping was exceeding the um one to2 ratio um which can be as this again will take a little bit more to address but an issue that you know we can also suggest and some improvements to address that and a drop off location sign in um multiple locations again through the entire C over there is either the face signs or missing signs um and some of those missing signs can lead to wrongway movements especially exiting from those multiple driveways um along the corridor again another maintenance issue which we can address in quickly um signalization uh typically we like to see back plates on the back for signals especially those faced in the east west direction to improve their visibility some of those are missing in some of the locations we have identified them up there that to be addressed Street lighting some of the street light facilities are out we have identified them that again um can be quickly addressed payment markings a lot of faded Mark markings in areas a lot of these should be addressed by the's um ongoing program um trip project bushing and this this needs constant maintenance but there are locations along the corter where you come out of those driveways um overgrown vegetation certainly causes a problem and then um there are couple um bus stop facilities um this one here in particular is missing um some of the facilities that you'd like to see out there you know benches and shelters not you not missing um there are PES along the C of where I guess based on you know parking difficulty finding parking lot folks park across the um Salk harder to address may need enforcement to address this one so that's it quickly going through um Mr Harris thank you for the presentation um colleagues any questions on on any of the slides let me recognize commissioner Cory and we'll give you another by the commiss Cory go ahead thank you so much and and this is this is extremely welcome being at the development that we have coming to the city and the fact that we're uniquely sort of bifurcated by Highway our city um and our downtown of buts the highway so it's very important I was just curious um as you're doing this and maybe updating some uh Landscaping in the medians as well is there a standard for that and is there a way for us to either request or contribute more trees as we know that that can be a way to mitigate traffic um as well as heat index as well as you know make this highway look a little nicer going straight through our city yeah yes certainly fdot has guidelines for um vegetation within the median um certainly as we get close to the intersection um we want less vegetation we want to control the height but away from the intersections um so long it's not restricting visibility then you can have larger kind of and typically um I would say almost all do projects have some Landscaping component on on it so certainly if these projects move as they move forward Landscaping certainly can be incorporated okay great thank you sir commiss K you're recognized thank you by the way this is very welcome I'm glad you guys got to do this is this something that you guys do how often how often do we do these type of studies is it simply on request is it something that happens every five 10 20 years how does that work no uh so um the dot has recognized for many years now that road safety audits are one of what if is calls um you know proven safety measures and more and more um do is doing these projects um they have several do has several firms assisted them with such projects we have done probably three or four in the last four five months six months working on we have another one working on right now too up in um on the beach by Beach area so it's it's it's an ongoing program it's something that doot is certainly pushing as a proactive measor to try to drive down fatalities and serious injuries part of that program so it's it's a lot of time it's driven by a request um but sometimes it's just um reviewing crash records are just actively um going out and identifying locations thank you I appreciate that so to to add to that um what is the ongoing process to get these Corrections done so can you can you walk us through I mean there's a there's a lot of things that are happening here especially on that Corridor uh we have the underline coming through we have construction we have a lot of things going on how do we make sure that you know the process and if we need to help with grants or anything the fdot needs how do we get that process going so we can start getting the ball movement on some of these Corrections right so what will happen next we'll prepare a document outlining safety issues that we have identified and suggestions for addressing these these safety issues the do will take that they'll look at those suggestions and they'll say okay let's collect some more data collect some information and see which of these ones we would like to advance then they would have to I mean don't light ify some they do those studies they'll confirm okay we want to install a signal in here then they'll try to identify funding um they're especially safe for safety there are several sources for funding projects funding safety funding and um I guess I can't speak for the do but it's it's it's I don't think it will be difficult funding some of those lower cost safety improvements like I mean the the a signal Crossing would be relatively low cost Al though by today standards mass and stuff can be expensive so it may be close to a million dollar I think my project manager maybe have to answer if that's part can I and I I have a I have a piggyback question to to commissioner G so I appreciate you all doing the study this is very helpful information it's we had started some conversations with um at the time Jose quto when he was at dpdw about a few intersections mostly in this Corridor and um I wanted to build on that conversation to share some thoughts with you about what was presented very quickly uh in terms of the there's there's this I don't think this study was intended to discuss capacity enhancements or any uh the functionality of any existing intersections obviously you did highlight on the congestion on slides 11 and particularly two intersections that need uh some more substantial reorganization are at 602nd avue US1 at 80th Street we have uh I don't know that they need a dedicate I'll tell you speaking for myself as someone who lives south of US1 uh and uses 60c every day I don't and going both north in the AM peak hour and South in the PM peak hour while there's certainly congestion a lot of it is due to the fact that the intersection in the PMP C gets blocked so the dedicated lefts are not to me as critical what is as critical is creating some more through capacity Northbound in the morning for dedicated right turns and the and the RightWay is constrained by the FPL so one thing we had talked to dpdw about was can we work with you all and Cobble together some Road impact fee money to buy some right of way relocate those utility lines which again is not an inexpensive proposition and begin to kind of create some capacity both there on on 80th Street where we have again mostly in the PM peak hour heading westbound congestion that backs up all the way to 62nd Avenue and 80th Street so those are two critical intersections if you can also talk to the process that we can elaborate on with uh your agency to look at those capacity enhancements as well right so before I start I want to introduce myself I'm sa DEA I'm with the DOT traffic Ops office U so I've been working with Winston the RSN team on the RSA and it would be good if we can widen the road always at capacity like you said the challenge is the spacing and the RSA focus on optimizing what's existing currently if somewhere in the future we have that possibility to widen the road or acquire right away for a low cost or um a good cost that would be something we I just I I I think from our perspective we want to understand how we create the opportunity to acquire the right away I mean there's no for for us you know there's been some discussions in the past about development or the Redevelopment of of that mall that houses the Petco quite honestly from my perspective I'd love to see it reposition because I think it could be more than what it is today until we fix this intersection there's really nothing that we could allow there that would make any sense because that intersection doesn't work today and the same is through ad street so those are two areas where I think speaking for myself and I think the body probably agrees to me we really need to work with you all very aggressively to figure out how we acquire the RightWay what the cost sharing of that looks like and how we create the capacity because if we're going to do anything meaningfully to improve the conditions around that intersection from a development non-development perspective just the functionality today to meet today's need we need to we need to kind of go beyond just looking at what we have and you know biting the bullet frankly and saying we need to go ahead and acquire that additional right away there's really no solution I think that you could design in the interum that would make the conditions there any more optimal we appreciate the pedestrian enhancements have been done recently I think those certainly make a better condition for crossing those intersections but in terms of getting people or cars to those intersections they're not adding a whole lot uh by way of new capacity so i' just like to understand what we can do to kind of push that process along because there are a lot of wonderful short-term improvements here but those two long-term enhancements so those intersections to me are are are mission critical for us this is something we can coordinate with our FD rway office to see how we can go about about acquiring those Parcels like you said working with the utilities to see if we can test the possibility of wedding in the roadway that's something we could definitely discuss with our RightWay office how do we start that conversation formally know I need to send a letter to the district secretary get in touch with our district RightWay manager to see how we can go about that because I I'd love to follow with you follow up with you offline and and you know we started that conversation it kind of got put on hold I think our our staff was under the impression that this study would address those issues clearly it has not for me I just don't want to lose my focus on that so if I need to initiate this with formal correspondents to the the district secretary happy to do that let me know what the best way it is and we'll get it done we just want there it's Mission critical frankly if we're going to do anything for today and the future to really look at what we have there by way of RightWay and to me the answer is obvious we've got to unfortunately take a portion of McDonald's landscape area right to to add you know capacity for a dedicated right turn movement in the Northbound condition I don't know we look at the southbound condition across that intersection but there may be some other things that need to be done there could be a dedication from the property owner that previously wanted to develop the site lots of things that we can look at but again we need to work with you guys hand inand to get that done yes mam Vice may as he's saying that something occurs to me you've got on 63rd and on another one where the there's a possibility of removing that left-and turn but that then just pushes everybody more onto 602 and so it's like a self-defeating prophecy so that's something that I think that's exactly why I mentioned these capacity because I I I think it's for me as a user it's obvious that at least the left turn lane left turn movement uh Southbound on 61st should be eliminated tomorrow right with some of the recent physical modifications to the right of way there used to be the ability to make a right turn right but now everyone's stuck queuing behind that left turn mover in the morning a.m peak hour which they're never going to get across so you're absolutely right Madam vice mayor we we change the condition Upstream we're going to push people onto an already deficient intersection so again I for all the Poss possible benefits of these enhancements until we really deal with the big the mission critical issues I think we're just kind of it's just again window dressing I'm not trying to be offensive but it's just kind of moving pressure points to already deficient intersections right and this is more of a midterm to short-term Improvement anything that would require right away that's longterm so we're looking longterm midterm and shortterm okay further questions none I just I just wanted to ask again highlight I know that in some of the presentations the mention of fencing along segments uh I don't know if that's consistent with what the underline is envisioning for that those segments I thought they were looking at more of a natural landscape if you could just articulate what you guys see as a way to deal with that obviously concerned about pedestrians Crossing in inappropriate places right and and throughout the presentation you will see where have reference to coordinating with the underline project we have definitely reached out to the underline project we have looked at air plans but we still need some more feedback from the on line in terms of exactly what air plans to do but we have seen their PR plans and in some sections they have some fence in um between us one to to prevent um j j walking so yeah definitely you have to coordinate with the online project on these okay to to sorry please to follow up what you said so is that something that do you need we need help coordination there with the underline I think that we we have a really good understanding what's going on here on that them a few times they haven't been exactly responsive but we've we've reached out all right well if you want to leave your your information we'll see if we can help you out with that adding on to what the mayor was spoke you know spoke about where it's Mission critical on the traffic allocation especially with the easements on both 80 uh sorry 62nd Avenue and 80th going back to what the actual program I think we never really got that answered what is the process for us to continue to move forward so we can get some of these Corrections corre you know done as you know because it seems to me there are two different Avenues to take here right fot with what the mayor spoke about but we also have the FSA program and trying to get all that resolved from from a safety perspective which is still important for our city so how do we get that ball moving as well right because it seems like it's two right mayor I think they're two different possibly two processes two processes right just want to make sure right so with the RSA we're identifying issues then we're going to group them up to see which ones are maintenance issues which require follow-up studies from our office which may be um police enforcement issues so once we group those together we can go about forwarding it to our maintenance office possibly programming a new project for a crosswalk it all depends on the type of issue we're addressing okay so um to just to finalize that mayor sorry you do you have a point of contact here at the city that we deal with directly I I know who it is but I just want to make sure you guys yes it's aelio right let's this is really important for this commission is to make sure that Corridor is functioning and and working well for us as we continue to make investment dollars into that particular area it's Mission critical that not only are we safe but we have traffic flowing through there so just want to make sure we're all on the same page thank you thank you for the presentation one one last question I who Mr manager you know you may have the qu answer this who provides the maintenance the medians along these segments is that something that we're doing or that fdot yeah we're in an agreement with fot um and so we use a contractor to do that not only for US1 but portions of U sunset drive all the way down to 80th Street um cuz I I wasn't sure if we did a portion of the that right of this rideway segment that we studied or we did all of it I don't know if anyone knows the answer that question the median on us one is done through interlocal agreement or joint participation agreement with fot and we use a private contractor to okay so we have a jpa from from 57 to 80th roughly I think it's all the way yeah yeah 57 and then we do the same on on uh onor Drive meeting okay perfect okay thank you all appreciate your presentation your time thank you thank you so much for having us okay uh colleagues we just in we have a couple folks that we held over from a prior meeting here um and I just want to be respectful of everyone's time and the items that we can tackle on our own so if I can we're going to if you don't mind I'm not going to take up the next two presentations for a few minutes I'd like to quickly run through the approval of the minutes our reports public remarks and then take up items cheat sheet here 8 8 9 and 10 for which I think there people here in the audience and then we'll go back to right regular order any objection no sir okay seeing none if we can have a motion with regard to the approval of the minutes of May 7th uh May 21st and June 4th I'll move the motion I'll second a motion by commissioner GA and a second by the vice mayor uh no with seeing no comments uh Madam clerk if you can call the role please yes commissioner K yes commissioner Cory yes commissioner lemman yes Vice Bon yes mayor Fernandez yes minutes P 5 Z great uh Mr manager your report please good evening uh first congratulations to the parks and rec department they success successfully obtained their DCF recertification so staff obtain the required training so that we can continue to offer programming to our local families uh Murray Park Aquatic Center our SW summer hours are open so public swim is offered seven days a week that is Sunday through Saturday from 12: to 4:00 pm. morning and evening swim lessons are also available that's through I swim Academy um our big Fourth of July celebration is coming up we welcome everybody to come to Palmer Park that starts at 5 p.m. fireworks are at 900 p.m. so there's going to be food vendors Kids Zone rock climbing wall it's going to be a good time we invite everybody to come out and lastly a reminder that an observation of juneth City Hall will be closed tomorrow thank you any questions of the manager nope I actually have one question what what are the costs of the swim lessons that we offer for uh over the summer I'm going to Lane on the parts I apologize for the not not telegraphing this in advance trick question yeah no I don't know the rate I'm going to lean on the okay director to provide that good evening I'll get back with you for the exact cost but is between $60 and $80 for residents okay that's for the week or just it's for a two we session so class are held Monday through Friday um 30 minute sessions um two we session and um it's between 60 to 80 but I don't want to give you exact number at the moment by the mom your mom is lovely I saw her this morning she says hello sounds good thank you thank you Mr director okay uh moving on Mr City attorney your report please just uh one thing mayor the um the form six legis uh litigation yes what are we what are we filing yes you are filing a form one not a form six okay okay I'm going to pass a memo out to you guys that kind of walks you through that process and um that's the latest that we have from the state and they've extended the deadline to June July 15th am I correct uh J we got I I believe we got an email to that effect that's why yeah that's not what this is saying this is still saying July 1st okay I if you guys could just confirm that for me I thought I got something from the ethics commission yeah saying that we could file on the portal through July 15th the form one okay we will we'll double check with that thank you yes ma'am Nikki can you please put that in everyone's calendar so that we're all reminded versus having to look at an email that email is thanks thank you thank you for that suggestion okay we'll move on to public remarks um first on the list and the only person on the list Mr Levi Kelly please come forward sir he stepped out uh can someone grab him is there anyone online Madam clerk while we're waiting just come back anyone on Zoom would like to speak please raise your viral hand okay seeing no one online okay we'll we'll move along for the moment uh Commissioners any reports or items you'd like to share in trying to get this to be a not quick but concise meeting I will pass on comments I'll say couple quick comments we we did The Father's Day event over at the uh at the adult center it was great good food good fun uh saw the mayor Ling Domino's a couple times um pretty much it and I just quickly wanted to congratulate the South Miami black cultural Affairs for throwing an amazing oh that's right juneth event it was really uh it was really incredible and I hope we have another great one next year too might be what Levi was great we we were just thanking you Levi for a great event on juneth yes Mr Kelly good evening how you doing good good to welcome right yeah I just wanted to come and give you guys Kudos again for your support it we had a great turnout uh we had a little bit of history that was told had some performers young people from the community that was involved so it's it's a good quality program that we providing and um once again I especially I wanted just kudos to the rec staff there those guys are doing a great job over there so I just wanted to let Quinton know and and then um guys in blue showed up and they were gracious and and very uh interactive with the community so it's a good positive way to bring everybody together so I just want to thank everybody again for your support thank you thank you again to the sbca for their hard work on that um further reports commissioner leben anything you want to share for the good of the order quickly nope okay Cory uh since we started the meeting off with condolences to the hunt family unfortunately I just learned while sitting here that Laur weed I think Lauren weed excuse me the daughter Bob weed who is the owner of strickly tennis just passed away recently this or today uh so we just want to extend our condolences to Bob and his family uh on Lauren's passing as well uh with that uh we will move on to item eight Mr C attorney do you need to read the qu judicial warning thank you mayor y item number eight on item first oh yes please okay thank you item eight a resoltion of the city Commission of the city of South Florida granting approval of or denying a request to release a Unity a title pursuance to section 20-5 .16 of the Land Development code for the property located at 6167 Southwest 64 Street South Florida thank you Mr C attorney please thank you item number eight on this evening's agenda seeks approval of a release of Union of title under section 20- 5.16 of the city's Land Development code um this requires a public hearing uh the uh commission may ask any questions either before or after uh public comment is closed following public comment the commission may deliberate on the resolution the quide judicial procedures require this commission to consider the evidence presented to it and base your decision on the applicable law and primarily on the evidence presented whether by the applicant staff or members of the public the staff report and the resolution provide the applicable law and criteria for approval in this case uh the Criterion section 20- 5.16 um which requires a cessation of the conditions which required the unit title in the first place this evidence the evidence considered must be substantial competent evidence that means testimony other evidence based on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support conclusion it is not a popularity contest it cannot be based solely on non-expert opinions no matter how fervent those opinions might be anyone who wishes to speak on this item should be given an opportunity to speak uh if you intend to speak uh this evening um you may be subject to cross-examination um if you refuse either to be cross-examined or to be sworn in your testimony will be considered in that context and given its due weight uh anyone who would like to speak on this item uh please stand up at this time please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm uh to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you um Madam clerk just to confirm that the all of the advertising uh requirements were met for this yes thank you and then uh mayor vice mayor and Commissioners if there are any Exar uh disclosures to be made anyone speak to anyone about this application they for or against okay NOP no nope thank you mayor thank you sir so I think we had an applic we had a presentation from staff the last time commissioner Corey I don't know if he had a chance to review the record do you want staff to remake its presentation no it's okay okay so I think we're good with staff uh I wanted to recognize the applicant again I wanted to take you early since we kept you here so long the last time is there anything you'd like to say by way of presentation on the item no I'm just uh okay up last meeting so any questions of the applicant colleagues um no not of the applicant uh okay one of the concerns you guys had was to view what the intent was did you guys get to see that is that something that was still pertinent here or not not necessarily uh I I I mean I've seen I believe a summary of the proposed development parameters for the for the for the homes um you know I'm still have some concerns but I want to hear the rest of your comments and see you know where everyone is on this item I I personally do not have any concerns with this particular project moving forward okay Cory no I do not okay Madame vice mayor I do not commissioner lean uh yes you brought up a great Point mayor I believe last time um there aren't no comps because these were non-conforming lots into it but again I CH the legislation um and as you pointed out in the last meeting mayor the the homes that we were direct that we were comparing this to are um are 35% larger so yeah that's that's a concern apartments are bigger than these homes okay I yeah I had the same concern and again I didn't see that there was necessarily A change in condition from the time that the unity was imposed but with that said Madam Madam director you want to add something for the record yes um so I'm development services director so when I spoke to the owner last time after this was deferred um he did make known to me that if he would have known that we would not release the unity of title that he would have never entered into the unity of title so for him that is a very important um you know uh fact about how he entered into that Unity of title okay appreciate that information is there is there a motion on the item I'll go ahead and move the motion to approve it I'll second do we need to open a public hear it is a public hearing so we can we'll table the we we'll have a motion and a second is there anyone from the public who'd like to address item eight regarding the release of a Unity of title for 6167 Southwest 64 Street if there's anyone in the chamber please come forward at this time and no one online seeing No One in the Chamber and no one online we will close the public hearing we have a motion by commissioner c a second by the vice mayor any final comments colleagues commissioner lean go ahead I would just like to hear your position I I my my thoughts are unchanged commissioner so you know I I had the same concerns as before but and I and I recognize uh appreciate the comments from the director uh but you know we we'll give a motion we'll vote it up and down we'll see where this ends up commissioner K yes commissioner Cory yes commission lemman yes but I want to reserve the right to change my vote I'll be a no commissioner leedman so all right do you want to do you want to say anything else before I Vote or no no I'm sticking with the the no okay okay I'll vote Yes mayor Fernandez I'll be a no item passes 32 okay I'm sorry 32 so again I want to understand ises that release the unity or not or that does release okay perfect okay fair enough okay thank you for clarifying since we do have some unique rules here in South Miami okay okay uh colleagues thank you for disposing that quickly and thank you for coming back out this evening sir uh if you can read quick quickly item n into the record item n in ordinance of the mayor and City Commission of the city of South Mi Florida amending article 3 zoning regulations of the Land Development code to modify Provisions applicable to townhouse development including creating a new zoning District known as rt8 townhouse residential and providing for applica regulations thank you madam clerk uh again this is also a public hearing item since on second reading Mr Alvarez thank you for your patience last time want to take you a little bit ear earlier as I kept you here a long while um do we need I was going to ask my colleagues I was able to sit down Mr alfers between meetings my my issues were addressed are there any is there any need for a presentation again on this item colleagues what can you clarify what those issues were I I I just had some some very minor I I I don't even remember frankly we met uh probably 10 days ago I know Mark if you want to quickly recap what my concerns were um one of them was um about the uh ad use to to limit it to um low income or the top of it would be low income and not have moderate income mixed into that the other was about the garages that the building code requires the requirement for glazing on 20% glazing would be difficult to meet uh the other was were a little more general just to make sure that there was a good understanding we had included from first reading to Second reading an additional table um because it really all of the the um criteria just weren't fitting in that multif family table anymore and in the process we added a criteria for smaller properties um basically we did not want to when we do map out the townhouse zoning we did not want to make all of the single family homes um legally non-complying was one purpose the other purpose was and I think you just had a hearing in for a property in that area we note that there's a lot of property south of and north of Southwest 64th Street that are legally non-complying in the RS4 District we're not rezoning those but we wanted the zoning category to apply to those if somebody wanted to apply to them and create a possible um legislative solution to building on those properties that are 25 ft wide in some cases more of a zero lot line development something that has already occurred there but we would make it something that's compliant with the code so it could be applied there as well as a legislative solution so there there was a whole column that was put into that to create that that use of the townhouse District if we're not going to go through the presentation I do want to add one um scribers error that I want to correct before we go on with the second reading um it's on the it's on line 271 it's the new table in fact um one two the fifth line down where it says maximum that area on the first most left hand column says 12,000 ft it should say 5,000 ft what exhibit is that c it's um I'm sorry it's exhibit B um it's the actual code L line 271 271 right go down the First Column um to where you see 12,000 it should be a 5,000 so we would want to correct that before we go on so that would be it unless you want if you want to go through the presentation I'm happy to do it thank you for summarizing my questions I had forgotten honestly um colleagues any further questions of Mr Alvarez okay seeing none we will open up the public hearing at this time if anyone would like to come forward and address this commission with respect to item nine which is an amendment to our zoning ordinance uh zoning regulations creating a new zoning District known as rt18 public hearing is now open seeing No One in the Chamber Madam clerk is there anyone online anyone online please raise original hand no seeing no one online we will close the public hearing colleagues is there a motion on item nine I move the item is there a second I'll second okay we have a motion by commissioner Leeman a second by vice mayor vich um any closing comments seeing none Madam clerk if you can call the role please yes commissioner Leeman yes we're going out an order to keep us on our toes what yes commissioner Cory yes commissioner K yes mayor Fernandez yes item passes 5 thank you uh thank you Mr Alvarez uh if we could read item 10 please item 10 an ordinance of the mayor and City Commission of the city of South F comprehensively amending the city of South comprehensive plan specifically the future land use element to provide for development of the an enhanced Town Center area and major quarters with surrounding development supporter of the town Center specifically by amending the future land use element thank you uh Mr Alvarez you're recognized thank you again Mark Alvarez cordino group this is the first reading uh for the comprehensive plan land use amendments uh that we have proposed it went to the planning board um on I believe on April um and um I'd like to go through it this is the first reading this will be the reading to transmit it for review by the state and other agencies I'll go through the process and I'll try to be reasonably quick yep it's not working so we have how this fits in and I wanted to go through this um I won't read through everything but we have an aggressive um program of of uh I'll be here I'll be a regular here I think through the end of the year um we are we just passed on the to townhouse zoning text that was our May item for June which is what we're in um we're doing the comprehensive land comprehensive plan land use plan text amendments so typically we would do a comprehensive plan land use amendments both text and map we're dividing things up because we want to get the text done we have a lot of changes to support the zoning code that will be coming forward uh in months forward um and we feel like we could get the text done a little more simply and then we will do the land the actual map amendments which will be a much more extensive process of notice it's correct me from wrong I think it's it could be qua judicial um in total it's a lot of acres and it's not but there may be areas where we have to consider it quasi judicial um so it's going to be a longer process so the the basic schedule is in June we are going to start the comprehensive plan text amendments which is tonight if it's passed tonight we would transmit that for review by the state in July we'll be coming back back to zoning again um and all of the Amendments tonight will support the future zoning text amendments that come um in July the uh Transit supportive District amendments will come and we've made some changes to that already with the name in particular but we'll be coming in with more amendments to that to essentially really this is where the process started we wanted to change the hometown District we want to make sure that that those texts meet the needs of the hometown District as well as have some um transitions going into the neighborhoods um the the neighborhood mixed use will be in August this was something that we started on very early it was going to be a replacement for a lot of the business office and a lot of the um commercial uses that are mixed into the residential areas we wanted to convert that for a lot of reasons for protecting the city's ability to control its own land use uh from preemption by the state and we're converting a a lot of that um some of it goes to townhouse and some of it would go to Neighborhood mixed use where we're on the corridors um mostly that's going to affect Bird Road 62nd Street um I think that and some of sunset uh Sunset west of of the downtown in September we'll be coming back with um the comprehensive plan land use text amendments to adopt that's we normally expect about a 60-day cycle for the state review it can go longer if there are some challenges to what we've done we've tried to keep it very simple so that we can keep it on track if that doesn't come back by September we'll we'll be doing that when it comes possibly in October what we want to do is have that done before we go to math amendments on the comprehensive plan and that's what we're planning for for October and then in November we would do the maap Amendments for the uh zoning text as well um while all this is going on the city is due for it's called the ebased comprehensive plan amendments that's where we do an evaluation and appraisal report or the city does an evaluation and appraisal report and then um changes what it needs to in its policies uh for the entire comprehensive plan that will be more or less going on in the background until we're we're done with this part uh we have talked to the state already and advise them that we're doing this very fra fragmented process and that we are going to make sure that everything fits and holds together by the end of it um the process we're doing tonight is a land use plan Amendment it's a um expedited State review expedited means about 60 30 days um because it's longer for a full review um this would be for both text and map amendments that's the whole process there basically it's a process where um we we have the planning board which is the local planning agency did already uh hear this and approved it um has come to you now on first reading it'll be transmitted to the state the state will distribute it to other agencies and other local governments specifically the county South Water Regional planning Council Coral Gables and who else Pine Crest um do we border Pine Crest at all Yes um and and day County um so all of those agencies get to review all those local governments get to review we expect this to be fairly quick because again we've kept it fairly simple uh without the map especially we' expect it to be fairly fast the red side uh of that is a process where a affected party can um raise an objection and that's that's an administrative process but it is part of the process that's outlined in chapter 163 and of course it can can hold things up again this has been fairly without the math part this has been this is fairly simple we don't expect that so the um just a quick overview our comprehensive plan has many elements um future land use plan element Transportation housing infrastructure conservation Recreation open space intergovernmental coordin ation and Capital Improvements they all come together they all have to um be internally consistent we're only working tonight on what's called what we commonly call Lupa a land use plan Amendment the rest of it will happen with the ear based a lot of terminology for the evaluation and appraisal report amendments will happen later we're going to start them in the summer but we'll you will see them probably later in the year um the rationale for the future land use plan m ments is basically we we need to make some changes to uh respond to the market and create a more flexible code and to create the more flexible code we have to go to the sort of constitution for the land use plan uh the Land Development regulations and make sure that we have those flexibilities built into those policies we are the city already directs density towards infrastructure namely the downtown and the South and the South Miami Metro Rail station we adding a little bit to some of the policies to make sure that continues to happen one of the big ones is to respond to housing needs we've talked about all these in the zoning code and we're just backing up one step to the comprehensive plan which is the the overarching document and then of course to Ure compatibility is that at the end of the slide is that okay sure at the end of the slide or the end of the thing whichever we'll let you ask your question go ahead sir okay I'm sorry before I didn't realize you were moving on my apologies okay the vice mayor apparently has a question about this slide so Madam vice mayor you're recogniz yes when we're talking about responding to housing needs when you're saying incentivizing affordable and Workforce housing if I'm not mistaken the way that it's written for us in new developments it is not affordable but rather Workforce and I had been speaking with the city attorney on possib ilities for having hero housing and that type of thing worked into here because we did not see it in the related project and there's a list you know longer than the phone book and we're not a priority on there and I want to make sure that as we move forward we are the priority I love everybody on the planet Earth but I love South Miami more and it's not okay with me for other people to go first and I don't know how we do that legally and that's why we have amazing City attorneys but before we send this off into the universe the two of you need to make sure first that we're not doing affordable housing if I'm not mistaken what we've discussed over and over and over is Workforce housing and second that it has the contingency that I had spoken to the City attorney about so if if I may yeah so this this is like a generalized policy document that's what the the comprehensive plan is for um um where we're going to address everything you just talked about is within the zoning code text amendments um and we are you know what we're presently we have requirements we're going to try to go to more of an incentive based system as we've talked about Yep this commission has discussed so that's that's part of all of that okay and when we send this off to whoever it is yes will it have that affordable housing verbage in it it will have the verbiage that you have in your in your packets let me see regarding the affordable housing yeah it I see it on page four number six is where I see it specifically called out I might have missed it somewhere else you know because it keeps talking about it see it says some of it on number five if I can just address part of the comment as well I think the the example I think you're reacting to which is somi park right there's another layer of policy that will not be impacted by this plan by these comp plan amendments will not be impacted by anything that we can do uh it it has to do with federal policy uh and requirements regarding lotteries yep for the award of units uh agree we we would all love to prioritize more South Miami residents in those lotteries there were apparently some accommodations made on that project to allow you know more people from South Mi to get priority not nearly enough right 200 unit on 2000 a 2,000 person waiting list uh a lot of folks from outside the community moving in uh concerns about gentrification again we would probably have to direct the manager to work with our federal lobbyist okay to see whether there's a way to have a conversation with HUD locally at the federal level about what kind of exceptions we can fashion to those Lottery requirements that's my understanding of the limitation that they're operating under uh both the project sponsor right and uh the phcd here locally yeah okay on on the other portion I I frankly personally have zero objection to incentivizing Affordable uh frankly there are really other than low-income housing tax credits there are very few Suite of affordable incentives that are creating housing opportunities you know um even at somi Park the majority of those units are probably Workforce or Market uh the minority are probably uh probably 20% of the units are at 50% or below of Ami um that's where the greatest crisis is um across Miami day County uh we can have an argument about whether we're doing too much or too little there's too little housing production across the community generally which is why prices are so high because Supply is really constrained um and so I I mean I think we want to have a balanced portfolio of housing across the city um and I certainly have had conversations with Vicky Lopez to probably be carrying the housing vehicle next year in the legislature about the fact that they're thinking about modifying live local or doing an a new iteration right they need to take in account not just preemptions right but creating minimums that push communities some of our neighbors we're not going to mention them that do not have uh a zoning uh program that allows for the densities that live local could otherwise afford them to come in and require them they meet minimum thresholds right or there are divorce of their Authority I I frankly my biggest objection to live locals I think we have a fairly robust requirement as a minimum um and you know we could certainly do more but where you know we are taking steps to create allow for Housing Development to happen to help with affordability generally market and otherwise uh by allowing you know development around our transit station which we should be doing uh we should not have our local autonomy usurped right and so I think there is a balance to be struck at the legislative level in tasse about minimums and preemption and that's the conversation I certainly started there just wanted to share that by way backgr but certainly yeah my my C my personal preference would not be to eliminate in our master plan uh incentives for affordable because they're very few incentives to build those units a lot of the production we'll see under live local will not be affordable it will be work force yeah and and I I know we could probably argue this one for the next 10 years and not hit on something that I think we all agree on I just think that pushing private entities to offer affordable housing is not in my opinion the way to go I mean we have government entities that do that and pushing that onto private Developers for me is is not a good thing but M Madam Vice may we have to comply with the law and so the state law requires that we provide if we're going to if we're going to if rather we have to we can only require it through an incentive we can't mandate it right and so I think we are trying to kind of right siiz our code to deal with a mandate size and a mandate side and give people incentives I just don't want to wholeheartedly dismiss the incentives people can choose to do it or not or not we hope they will right because there's a a tremendous need but even where there are resources right there's too few of them available to even push production right you think a the formal public housing site would be a tremendous reservoir for affordable housing I just wanted to the public is clear I my guess is only 20% of those units are actually at the at the bottom half of that tier right where there is tremendous need where people have the highest the greatest difficulty accessing any quality units in the market so okay further comments on that colleagues I mean it's a discussion that we're going to need to have anyway but you know I I think that we all see what the problems in Miami day County are and and throughout the State of Florida so we whatever we can do as a city and follow the law to make sure that we can comply would would obviously be critical for whatever we do moving forward oh sorry Comm Le do you want to say something I can't see we can't see you on the screen my apologies oh he said no okay thank you Mr Cory did you want to add something no I just wanted to Echo the mayor sentiment what you said a little bit more eloquently perhaps is that you know we might be leading regionally in this type of thing and that might be unfair but I still think it's the right thing to do to have that um type of mixed income within the community uh allowing for multigenerational allowing for U many different types of of of of workers within the city so I'm I'm for it charlot if you can I would just add to the to the comment when we do get to the larger set of amendments for the what we call the year-based Amendments we would be working with the housing element typically those kinds of programs are in the housing element we did something that's fairly unusual we actually in the land use plan Amendment because of what we did with townhouse and including adus as an affordable component we actually included it in the land use plan Amendment uh the land use element I'm sorry which is fairly unusual normally these programs are all in the housing element we're actually including including this directly into our land use plan which is a little bit of a bonus okay so to go to go forward um we have goals objectives and policies as the basic structure of of any um of any chapters of the comprehensive plan goals are the overall overarching place that we want to go to um policies are usually I'm sorry um uh objectives are sort of measurable outcomes that we would look to at each evaluation and appraisal report and the policies are considered how we get there the first policy um we call 1.1.1 is the one where all the land uses are described um and this is probably the most important one where we have a lot of changes and again these are all the changes that are to allow us to do the zoning code changes as well the zoning code implements the comprehensive plan typically the comprehensive plan is first but don't feel bad most cities we we all think about zoning more than we think about comprehensive plan so the discussion went backwards but we're doing it in the right order um so I have um all of the the uh land use plan District or U desri descriptions there or categories um the blue ones are being modified the red ones um will be deleted but not right now unless a change I'm going to ask you to make on the floor the black ones were more or less leaving alone I'm going to go through each one of them I'll show where they are not that we're making map changes right now but I want to show where they are because it helps understand um the first one is duplex residential duplex residential is a very small area it's it's not we think we have duplexes and they're they usually happen under the townhouse designation it's really this area that's south of sunset more or less to the west of Baptist there's a block there between 603rd Avenue and 63rd Court um is currently right now all single family structures with Offices Medical Offices or some of them um the the change the the change here is really that eventually we'll be replacing it with townhouse but again because we don't want to make what we can't do right now is we can't delete a category where we have it being used somewhere we're going to have to do that a little later when we get to the remap um but I just wanted to again let you know what's going to happen with this it's a little bit of an unusual implementation it it happens where there's really no duplexes uh to speak of uh the townhouse we talked about townhouse zoning so this will enable all that we did with townhouse zoning text changes can't be implemented until we have the comprehensive plan implemented um both the text and the the map amendments but right now townhouse text would affect a number of areas that have that category um on them and it's all the orange areas that you see on the map um but this will allow those areas and more intentionally we want the areas that we remap the townhouse to have um a more specific building form so right now the townhouse in the city is more of a plan units development typee of town houses they're a little more spread out they have internal Street networks we would like to include a form where that's more urban and they're facing the street we would still allow the form that there's an internal circulation network but we want it to be more urban um we are of course calling a th18 um it on the comprehensive plan we're actually going to let it have 36 units an acre and that will make sure that we have um complete consistency with the comprehensive plan for the adus right now the state statutes are silent on that rather than take the chance we we don't want any objections so we're going to just do this um this land use element description as a 36 unit in acre and so it'll implement the th18 even if all of them have adus we still have it as far as concurrency goes um we will we have included in the subscription for the live work units because that's that needs to be in there it's and we have included in this description the adus so this completely supports everything that we've done on townhouse um and right now it would affect all of those orange areas except that all those orange areas are zoned rt9 and rt6 which doesn't allow them to get there but when we do the map changes we'll have this text in place that now will allow 18 or 36 as it may be sorry this is this is very p this is the way we just have to do this it's a lot of tracking um mixed residential moderate density is um is an area and I I just referred to it in the last presentation there are a number of um this wasn't well I should in 2019 I believe it was the city um took it upon itself to correct some deficient land uh deficient Parcels in the area just north of 64 Street and just south that not exactly just more or less south of it um to allow them to have a what was at that time going to be a townhouse type development they were not as specific it was not as specific in the form at that time um it was just allowing residential to happen on a smaller form and have some mix of uses it was going to be 14 units an acre it never got it never got enacted it the comprehensive plan description was enacted and passed and adopted the zoning code to go with it I guess got tabled and never went forward so we think it's a situation that's worth correcting um in the future so again we will look at this and we will eliminate it but we can't do it now when we do the map amendments we'll delete this part of the text uh multif family residential we had discussed um for some time the idea that um our our density for multif family throughout the city is fairly low um 24 units in acre four stories is a fairly low upper limit however and we had discussed raising that um however we uh before we came to this this hearing and after planning board we decided it may be the better idea to Target where we want to have increased density more carefully and not allow that to spread throughout the city we may have unintended consequences and more problems so all these Brown areas are the multif family residential designation we will be leaving the 24 units in acre as is in the areas where we talked about targeting a higher density and a transition from Todd we'll we'll handle that with the Todd code that comes up uh in a month following this so we'll create another Todd subdistrict that creates that transition creates a higher density and we don't do it the entire category where we could have unintended consequences throughout the city the only other change that's on there right now is to um it has a an allowance for office and Retail uses we got more specific in said that they have to be anity Mr I think we have a question commission K did you have a question on the slide yeah so looking at the multi multif family residence on south of 73r 74th Street um east of east of 62nd Avenue you have that allocation of of brown there are are we saying that that's going to be rm18 rm24 or cuz I I I was under the impression that some of this you know and I know commissioner Leeman had spoken about this about the higher density positions there at at that location so I think it was at RM 64 we had discussed 65 Saker which was basically just um putting it at the same level of the prior density for Sunset Place um however so the zoning in this area is AR rt8 rt4 there's some rt6 in there as well corre all under the multif family um a lot of those buildings to this density are actually legally non-complying they were built some time ago and they're more than 24 as it is so on one hand we know that we'll we'll need a pretty good incentive to redevelop those especially with the parking we also want to make sure there's a transition the only place where we want to do this is where we're transitioning down from trans support of District we formerly called Todd um so we're looking at that area any possibility a little bit to the North or anywhere on the edges of the transit supportive District we might want to do this where we limit what would be Transit supportive District to only residential no bonuses something around Mark if I can just jump in and maybe help frame the issue more squarely I think I think um in my speaking with staff I think the the consensus based on conversation with you know stakeholders was that even at 65 units an acre that area would not transition right because there just was not enough yield uh with that additional density so essentially we weren't going to be accomplishing anything so rather than invite the prospect of something unwanted happening we we I think the idea was is to look at it and possibly shape something that's a bit more targeted that would result eventually in some of those assets being reposition thank you mayor okay exactly and then also in addition we don't affect the areas that are further away from the transit support of District I think the vice mayor has a comment yeah is it possible while these discussions are happening for us to have some kind of visibility to it because right now we're sitting and having the conversation we said this but we did that and this and there's a lot of moving parts and for somebody who may not be the most well-versed in what you are talking about it is difficult to follow so I'm not sure how moving forward we want to deal with that when we do these types of changes I don't I can't begin to even offer a suggestion other than to say do we send an email that highlights the changes do we put something hey do we have a 10-minute conversation and highlight the changes something has to happen because as we move I understand we're trying to move through this quick but we don't want to be left behind while we're moving through this quickly yeah if I just P just add a little context to it we we're not making these map changes right now these map changes will come before you uh later later in the summer so what he's giving you right now I think is is a preview of where where the thinking is at present that can change um obviously through throughout the process but you're even this is like before even so um what he's trying to just do is is show you yeah give us a heads up yeah exactly of hey this is what's coming I I get that I just wonder between the hey heads up this is what's coming and hey you're voting on this right now it's over by if there's going to be some Middle Ground yeah yeah I think the point is there's it's not over and by right so today's action is the first step of a bunch of other reviewing agencies they're going to send us their comments their feedback and we certainly if there's something here you want addressed you know I know that for commissioner lemman and commissioner K there been some interest in this area south of 74 Street and seeing how we get more you know we've got some older product they'd like to see it modernized you know improved all laudible goals but I think the the initial feedback from staff was 65 units talking to people that would you know could consider buying it redeveloping it transacting it was it's not going to get you there because you know most of those lots are not an acre so you're going to get where you have 30 units you're going to get 41 right and so those 11 additional units really don't make the economics work yep okay and and again we don't know if we want to I don't know personally that I would be comfortable designating that at 150 units which certainly would get people motivated but it's up against a single family neighborhood so those are I think the the the balances they're trying to strike as they analyze you know these these different areas thank you and just to add mayor I think that my concern was just to make sure that the the nomenclature or the text Amendment reflected that so I was but I didn't know that maybe rm24 is actually be the text Amendment moving forward and I was concerned with that that's that's why I was bringing that up all good questions continue sir yeah and and it's a good question and actually we have a we're we're trying to construct a framework and one of the other Concepts that's important is that we um as we go forward particularly in the transit supportive District in downtown we want to we do want to have some incremental changes so we may for example if we did make a large change on the end and offer a lot of density we might have something happen there and absorb the market where we really wanted it more in the center so we are dealing with the problem of trying to create a framework and then as we get to the mapping we'll have to do that fairly incrementally too people can but we create the framework that if somebody wants to apply they have the framework there already and they'll have to create something does that make sense so yeah we'll get we'll get through there um commercial retail and office um again very little change here uh there are two things going on and it's there's small text amendments we're not we don't really have much Plan uh of change for this it's the red area along US1 but it's also a red area on Bird Road um one of the things that we wanted to change the text on that was one to take some of the language that specifies commercial uses as retail or office we want to open it up a little bit more and deal with that in the zoning code the other was to specify that it's really for us one because US1 and Bird Road are very different context very different forms and from the beginning we would like to at some point rezone Bird Road to something that's more appropriate to bread road so we added language into commercial retail and office saying that it's really specific towards the type of Highway that us one is parking big parking lots in front you know which we don't want on Pur Bo so that's the only text there um mixed use commercial residential this is the underlying um uh comprehensive plan element um designation for the hometown district and it it what it is actually what limits the hometown District's zoning that was actually how we started on this because we knew we couldn't change the zoning unless we changed the underlying comprehensive plan designation um however um we will will be remapping that the the intent is to remap that to the transit supportive District however mixed use commercial residential is a very good fit for the future neighborhood mixed use four stories 24 units an acre um it it would really fit that well so we're going to keep the text um it will end up being remapped as we get to the map but we're going to um just create a little more definition as to vertical and horizontal mixed use um and also added language in there to direct it to where we want it so in other words we would like it to be on the corridors the half section line roads and the section line roads Bird Road 67th 62nd uh Red Road and going the other way Bird Road I guess uh 6 U Miller 64th and um sunset on the West Side um west of downtown so we added language to again Focus that to where we really want it to happen the transit support of development all that's in this text amendment is to change the comprehensive plan to catch up with what was done by ordinance before um we we added it's no longer tood is tsdd Transit support of development District um but again we did similar to the the commercial areas we took out some of the very the more specific language about the types of commercial uses we want to leave open and control up more of this owning code um and U yeah and provide incentives where as we get closer to the metro rail station uh that's still in there downtown somi again this is just the comprehensive plan we've had uh some issues before where the comprehensive plan doesn't get updated we're just going to update it to match the ordinance that was passed in November of 2023 for downtown somi uh for the downtown somi comprehensive plan text uh RLC residential limited commercial we would like to delete this but again it's kind of slated for we'll delete it when we do the map amendments it's basically the underlying land use for the west side of 62nd Avenue um it doesn't allow a lot of density it's five units in acre and and makes use completely unused in its capacity we will delete it later we have to leave it in right now because we can't leave land in the city without a nation to belong to so to say um so it's slated to be deleted but at the time that we do the mapping and it would be replaced by neighborhood it will be zoned later on uh with that designation with neighborhood mixed use some Transit support of development District I'm sorry neighborhood mixed use and townhouse so getting out of policy 1.1.1 which has all of the descriptions of the different land uses we have a few other things they're fairly small um um we have a pol we have a goal and an objective about greenhouse gas reduction we just wanted to be very specific that one of the things that we can do to have greenhouse gas reduction strategies is to add Transit and walkable neighborhoods we intend to do transit in walkable neighborhoods compact mix use development in downtown we didn't say it and we added that language to make sure that that also supports greenhouse gas reduction strategies which also helps us to support our land use plan and because we can say that supports greenhouse gas reduction strategies um the hometown district has its own objective in the um in the uh future land use element and we think that we can delete that because we will be replacing it in its entirety with the transit support of development District we will keep aspects design aspects of the hometown uh District but we'll include it in the transit support of development District code this this is you know it's two names of the two different things but um we'll include that in the code particularly as we talk about what fronts along Sunset but again we will be removing that we intend to remove that in the future and we can remove it at this point from the text it doesn't leave any land without uh a description um Transit supportive development District it's again mostly language um to make tsdd instead of Tod and also to generalize the uses and also we add a language to support the relocation of genan Willis park again one of our our issues going forward is we have a park designation in the parking lot outside of here as well as gen Park and we want to be able to move the parks around within the site the city hall site um TDR removal Transit uh trans transfer devel velopment rights is right now in the comprehensive plan as a mechanism to move intensity away from it's used for the special flood Hazard area in the down town we don't need it and we have which incredi it's been very clear that we don't want to have tdrs as a mechanism at all so we're removing the entire um policy uh the CRA is something we thought that we should probably remove um it's it's mentioned we don't have a CRA anymore however on on further thought because this will interact with a lot of policies in the housing element and uh we decided to leave it in until we do the the uh ear based amendments the larger set of amendments and finally on Bird Road Redevelopment um again it's just language to add mixed use Redevelopment as a tool for bird road again that's really speaking to the issue where we have the um commercial residential category on Bird Road and we would like to remove that and have something more appropriately scaled in in the future so again thinking ahead we made some language changes we do meet all the criteria that we need to for um being consistent with with our requirements with the internal the rest of the uh comprehensive plan um and the code and all the requirements we did a very quick concurrency review we don't have much because it's only text and we're not mapping but we do have a small uh increment of changes on concurrency because of the townhouse designation going from from um what is essentially 8.7 right now to to uh 36 um however none of that can actually happen because they're all zoned something else but the text does technically cause a small uh about 2% increase in trip generation and water use in those areas um we'll continue that's a big table and and we'll I know it's the first time you're seeing it but we'll we'll continue to work table because we've been really working out all of the the things on a on a lot by lot basis um we're using the the property appraisers database so finally thank you um It's Complicated I know it's it's peace meal and this is just the way we have to do it we're trying to do our best to keep track of everything but I do want to remind you on um the first reading that we passed this to transmit we had in the in the exhibit that you have deleted mixed res iial moderate density and uh commercial I'm sorry um residential limited commercial RLC and mrmd U we have proposed to delete those we don't want to delete those we want to keep them in that was a mistake the timing will be wrong on that we would we would leave those properties without designation so we would ask that make instruct staff to make that change to transmit and then we'll transmit it thank you thank you any questions of Mr Alvarez commissioner gu no commissioner leedman I can't see you so are you good any questions okay seeing none is there a motion to adopt item 10 for transmitt I need to open a public hearing oh I'm sorry my apologies uh this is a public hearing item if anyone like to address this Commission on item 10 please come forward at this time anyone on Zoom please raise your virtual hand okay seeing No One in the Chamber and no one online we'll close the public hearing hey colleagues is there a motion thank you commissioner lean is there a second we have a motion by commissioner lean a second by commissioner Cory um any comments colleagues seeing none Madam clerk if you can call the role please yes commission CA yes commission Cory yes commissioner liia yes Vic bones yes mayor Fernandez yes item passes 5 Z colleagues you allow me one more personal privilege I'd like to take item M2 since I know we have someone here in the audience it's a discussion it it Madam clerk if you can read that please and I guess we'll hear then from our City attorney um a proposal to allow sales of secondhand Goods in a low intensity office L District Mr City attorney do you want to uh introduce this item for us certainly and does everyone have a copy of the memo that was provided okay okay um this is a pretty straightforward item there's uh the code uh recognizes uh a three four types of used merchandise stores one of those is secondhand Goods um it's an establishment not representing the the original manufacturer distributor or retailer which sells previously owned secondhand or vintage Goods apparel or products for their residual value as used merchandise uh we were approached by a uh not for-profit entity um a charitable organization that uh operates a secondhand goods store in connection with their their charity they are renting uh property within the Lo District um and they they requested that we consider uh allowing a used merchandise secondhand goods store within the Lo District we have three Lo districts in the memo you can see the the area and this was kind of seen as a short-term uh solution these Lo districts that you see uh in yellow on the map in in the memo uh will all be uh their comprehensive plan uh designation will be converted to the the the one that supports the mixed use the mixed Neighborhood use which would allow this use anyway so this is uh you know to allow this this use to move forward if it's your pleasure to do so uh in the interim period while this is being adopted and and tonight's action if we were to advance this it would refer basically to the planning board for for discussion correct uh yes it would send it to the planning board and it would come to you for two readings okay questions of the City attorney none okay is there a motion to refer this amendment to planning board there's a motion by commissioner leedman I'll second a second by commissioner Caye um quick quick question do you want to also consider yes the cons I would say I would say yes I mean yes s can you repeat that yes so there's another two uses of Consignment and antique stores that could be authorized I mean I'm thinking of the Children's Exchange it would be so if the Mover and the second are amable uh I would also uh suggest we include so I'm okay with it okay so the second is amable so is the Mover so uh the motion has been presented uh Madam clerk if you could call the RO please yes commissioner Cay yes commissioner Cory yes commissioner Leeman yes Vice Bon yes mayor Fernandez yes 52 thank you colleagues thank you Mr attorney okay we'll get back to regular order um colleagues you want to hear presentations or you want to just dispense to the action items before we why would we dis the okay consent items and let's take the consent items are there any items on the consent agenda anyone would like to discuss seeing no are you good on all the consent items I just had a question and I when I had had my meeting with our city manager I had asked him seeing that there was $85,000 on number five from the police let's pull number five okay so we'll pull number five five any others on the consent agenda okay seeing none uh others uh Madam clerk if you can read items one through four and I'll happily entertain a motion yes item one a of the city Commission of the city of South P approving the purchase of triling equipment from vs Sports LLC for the South greo chair program an amount of $5,600 item two a of the mayor City Commission of the city of sop money approving the renewal of an annual software subscription with Dash platform LLC DBA daymart Recreation for recreation businesses management software and amount not to exceed $5,499 196 item three a res of the mayor City Commission of the city of South Florida approving a proposal and project agreement with kimley horn and Associates for permitting and construction administrating Services related to the priority One structure and waterproofing repairs to the sou miam Municipal parking garage an amount of $ 37,2 n6 item four a resolution of the mayor City Commission of the city of South Miami Florida approving the purchase of a tire changing machine from genuine parts company DBA NAPA Auto Parts for the public works department multiple Division and amount not toce $1,999 great thank you for that is there a motion items one through four I'll move the motion and move items okay we have a motion by commissioner Kai a second by commissioner Leeman thank you for that uh m M clerk if you can call the RO please yes commissioner Kay yes commissioner Cory yes commissioner Leeman yes Vice Bon mayor Fernandez yes pass 5 Z thank you do you want to take item five Madame vice mayor at this time yes please please okay U Madam clerk if you can read item five please item five every the May City Commission of the city of southi Florida relating to a fiscal year 2023 2024 budget authorizing a budget transfer of $85,000 from the police Legal Services account number 0019 1910 d521 d3120 and the Personnel division liability account number 00133 513- 4510 to the city attorney's other professional legal services account number 00 1-500 d514 d3410 thank you madam vice mayor recognize for questions of the city terine thank you it's more of I had during my meeting with him asked for alternatives for pulling the money from the police legal services to see where else so your questions related to other Financial accounts that we could draw upon for okay so Mr riveral I don't know if you've had a chance to address that question to the manager so U vice mayor raised the issue at had mentioned that the the uh her question specifically was on the police Legal Services line item and had mentioned that staff had looked at uh line items that we do not anticipate for the balance before you move on can you just for our benefit cuz I'm I'm not don't have the recall what was that line adem budgeted at for this fiscal year and where are we relative to the budget amount for that specific line item if you can if You' got that information you have a balance yeah Mr riveral you recognize good evening um the balance on that is $40,000 it's for litigation related to police matters um we when we start looking at other line items that are it doesn't affect operations for the termination of the fiscal year that was the one that we identified and there have been some legal services provided on for the police hence why it's designed to do exactly what it's supposed to be we had a a part of the those funds also would be for arbitration and we we have no uh matters yeah no presentent matters forthcoming um I also to took a look at some of the expenditures that um that were uh City attorney expenditures that were related to police uh to kind of see a correlation potentially and and about nine different categor seven of them or almost actually eight or nine of them touch police matters they were um having to do with the uh police compliance hearing uh questions about police pension we did at a a Cadet police cadet mou that had to be reviewed legally um and so there's been some miscellaneous expenses that you know would be deemed police U but yeah so I I think that fun was identified just because we don't have any arbitration uh forthcoming and even if there were going to be a grievance that results into an arbitration by the time we're into that we're in the next fiscal year basically okay thank you for giving me the background yeah thank you now now there were there was a question about alternate accounts are there any alternate accounts that were identified that could be said no you did not okay yeah that's fair enough I just want we got you that answer so thank you you're welcome okay further questions colleagues commission leben are you good okay thank you sir so I'll move the motion to approve you'll move the motion to approve Madam vice mayor any other any other questions you want to answer I'm I'm good okay so a motion by commissioner Kai is there a second a second second by okay can acknowledge commissioner Cory this time uh so motion by commissioner Kai second by commissioner Corey uh any further discussion to this item seeing none Madame clerk if you can uh read the role please yes commissioner caou yes commissioner Cory yes commissioner lean yes B yes mayor Fernandez yes item passes 5 okay colleagues uh we've got item six7 uh and two presentations uh as well as a discussion on the noise ordinance what's the board's pleasure what would you like to take up next and I would say for the audience to get the discussion items out the discussion item on okay commissioner leedman where you want to go I I'm seeing some I was say two items left on the agenda let's run through the agenda seven housekeeping item so okay let's run through uh okay then we'll take the order of the day let's go through the presentations then um Mr mu you're recognized Mr Mar while um we're set up for that um this presentation is a result of the place speaking work that uh plus her has been doing and they're here to report on on their status uh task one um so what you're going to be hearing is as some of the findings as task one which was really more the analytical and they they've already begun doing work on on other tasks uh but we wanted to kind of bring this to a close as uh to share their findings on the analytics portion appreciate that Mr M is there any way we can keep this to 15 minutes so we can have some questions I'm sure there will be a few I will do my best okay hold you to that then if the this works hopefully your clicker Works yes all right perfect there go so I'll try and keep it very brief I know you've you have a lot on your plate um fortunately you've already heard a lot about zoning and a lot about planning and a lot about roads already so we're perfectly teed up um and I can probably skip skip a lot of that information as you know we've put together a a um a report that um analyzes and disc as a discover and it helps us as you know this is the uh phase one of uh five different tasks that we have uh and this allows us to have a benchmark and information so that as we design as we move forward with the tasks we know where we came from and what the existing conditions are um so uh you're very familiar with the area I'm not going to go through it uh we have a boundary that we're looking at with a focus on Sunset Drive um and we've looked through your studies uh and honestly you've already got a lot of the policies in place and you've you've already got a lot of the planning in place and you already as I just heard from uh coradino you already are moving forward with uh some changes to the zoning which is going to help um a lot of the work that we are going to be um working on more than anything um within the within the hometown District uh currently you have 40% only 40% of your area in the hometown district is to so looking at p and making sure that this uh includes a larger area it will it will help in part to emphasize the need for pedestrian uh access to the station um which is very much related to the work that we have at hand which is uh which is the roadways um you've we've also noticed that you have a lot of U vacancy and underutilization of uh of of some of your Parcels around here so um and there's also a lot of demand I have here with my colleagues uh business FL that will talk to you about the type of demand that we're seeing um and positioning the downtown uh in a way that it can capture that uh that energy and that that potential investment will be beneficial for the entire city um it generally and again I'm going super fast so um you can stop me if you want we will we will no no worries uh there's a we've we've looked that not only at that quantities but also the quality of the street uh you'll notice that and this is no surprise to anybody I'm sure sure uh to the east you've got more of a quality of a space and to the West it's uh it's somewhat deficient uh part of our task moving forward will be to make everything you know a 10 out of 10 okay um I could go on there's more detail to the report so if you uh feel that I'm going too fast you can always read the report after um a few pictures to show you the conditions uh I'm going to let my colleague from business flare Allison um Justice to come speak the next slide but just to say land use and the Frontage that we have on these streets is just as important as the street itself so uh this is why we feel uh that we really need to take this first step to to move to the next thank you good evening Alice and Justice uh so as far as the data goes let's look at the soci UN economic context of of the downtown area and we're really looking to act acate both the east and west side of us one we I'm sorry north and south side we know that most of the activity is on the South Side so in looking at the population um the city's median age is fairly young although it's ticked up a couple of of uh I guess a couple of points in the last few years so at 38.5 is the median age of the Town um most of you have a lot of home ownership so there is about 50% home owners ship which is which is pretty high and you have a lot of family owners here as well so there's there's 55% family households Which is higher than Miami D County um the income is higher than the just on that on that point is that what year is that meeting meet income from uh that was done 55% I'm I'm assuming he pulled this in 2022 because I yeah I think it's I think it's we're at 79,000 now County wise so that's why I asked okay so uh you're in between you're in a good position you're in between between two higher income cities which is a good um a good spot for South Miami to be in um it makes it you more attainable and more attractive um and as with you know you kind of call out here as with most of South Florida housing Transportation costs are very high um ranging between um between 35% and 52% that is not uncommon you know we see that a lot which is why you talked about affordable housing Workforce housing and so forth when you look at the office real estate market the retail real estate market you have these reports so there's a lot of graphs in there but I really just want to call out what the main points of these are and it is that there is more demand really than there is Supply you have a low vacancy rate both in the office market and in the retail markets um there's not a lot of turnover because people don't want to leave because there's not a lot of you know again there's not a lot of places for them to go so you'll see you see your both your office and retail Market really being holding pretty steady so when you look at your charts you'll see kind of really um some steady Trends uh vacancy rates are lower than the average um for the office market and again in the retail Market it's dropping uh you'll see in the also in the retail space um you know the retail conf confidence the cap cap rate is low at 5.35% that means it's it is a 10year low it means there is confidence in the retail market and you could stand to use more retail um facility spaces Alison before you move on just on this slide when you say not all prospective tenants can be accommodated what kind of Tendencies do we not have product for both the retail and the office so there are the vacancy again being below even the averages means that that there are people looking that aren't able to find the spaces that they need well we don't we don't have is there any qualitative data as to what the size of the VAC the Tendencies are today what's a typical tendency in South Miami and are there opportunities that we should be looking at exploiting in terms of encouraging developers to consider building certain kinds of product to bring in a more diverse tenant mix my guess is that we probably have a lot of small solo practitioners or smaller you know smaller businesses that are occupying our our office spaces certainly my wife is the prototypical one right uh so I just want to get if there's a way to get a flavor of that we don't need to do it today but we'd appreciate that subtext yes thank you we can get that data as for the residential real estate market um again since the pandemic obviously during the pandemic um there was you know there was there's little change in inventory now because during the pandemic the listings the sales went down they really haven't recovered um which means that the supply is down and the demand is up which is why you see a $400,000 price surge since 2019 between 2019 and 2022 23 in the median house prices so um these projects like that we show below you know really highlight that you do have some things underway to provide more housing hopefully it'll ease that real estate market a bit but um that just shows what you you have going on currently and we also looked at at some foot traffic Trends downtown um the foot traffic is declining but it's it's possibly due to the declining activity in the shop so there's some there's some things going on there but uh you do have some unique customers so you have a lot of unique customers coming in but a lot a lot of them come back so it's getting more activities for people to come back to um in the downtown uh locally though your residents your visitors are loyal um they come back the ones that that that come come a lot and they're usually they're fairly local residents as well uh 80% of the visitors coming to the east side of US1 again this just highlights the the need to activate the west side of us one as well so with that I will turn it back over to Juan we'll move through and you're giving me a little bit of overtime um H so think of that in part your you're doing pretty well H okay you're well I I still see the three minutes there oh yeah that ignore that extra three minutes right um so to answer your question there's more information on that report and we have more data did not make it into the report because otherwise it would have been a much longer report um but that data we have and in part is because uh the the latest tenants that have been looking around in South Florida are much larger than what you've got here and you don't have much new construction so your 20,000 your 30,000 your even your your 10,000s are difficult to find itself sou Miami so you're missing out on some opportunities there that's that's because you have a an aging downtown with existing and as Allison mentioned your tenants are not moving because they don't know where else to go um all right so with that said uh where am I right here um so the fortunate thing you know is that you own all your streets pretty much uh apart from Red Road you own the all so if you want to make improvements if you want to make places more attractive if you want to use the proverbial if you build it that will come you can do it you have to follow certain you know standards and regulations but you pretty much have uh unlike other cities um a much better uh you're in much better position to do it a really surprising fact um 94% of your workers in South Miami do not live in South Miami why are we why am I bringing this up you've got a lot of commuting in and out okay so we didn't want to just tell you you've got a commuting problem we wanted to know from where and that's part of the analysis that business FL was doing is where are people coming from and what roads are they using so when we're seeing traffic and we're seeing you know people turning taking a left taking a right where are they going especially at peak hours because that's when people get upset you know and then they come here and they complain about traffic do they not okay traffic and affordability um so so that's that's really interesting and so that has an effect a pretty pretty big effect on the traffic conditions um the three major things that we looked at were um the level of service the speeds and the um average annual daily traffic um you can see the one in the middle I mean that's pretty telling uh people are not uh are not driving as slow as they should and partly is because they're trying to get out quickly um and then we also see that as you know us one is the one uh road that has the most uh traffic I'm not going to go into details because you already had heard B and uh they were very detail but needless to say A you know we looked at especially on on Sunset um The Turning uh conditions the signalization and how people turned there's a bunch of numbers there honestly I don't understand them all that's why we brought in the engineers they've got a much more in-depth analysis and again we can go over it if you if you want um but we did make a modification to that chart that to me is unreadable and I know vice mayor but this is much easier to understand that what num look my face let me let me explain it real quick so these arrows are at the PM they are uh the commuting out I know it's really difficult to graphically show what's going on in terms of traffic so the arrows are the direction and the bigger the arrow the more traffic you've got as you can and we you know what's interesting is that if you want to increase and if you want to you want to improve um your uh patrons in downtown which is something that we are really interesting by the way um people mostly shop in the afternoons on their way back home that's why we are really interested in the PM um and how people are moving out of your city remember 94% of your workers are getting out and what we would like to do is to figure out a way for to retain them so they spend their money here before they get to their destination uh mayor I was saying 94% of your workers are not from South Miami that's huge uh and so everybody's getting in their car hopefully eventually people will start using more met Rail and the buses and I'll show you another slide in a minute but what you see here is your us one is not is neither capturing or uh diverting traffic into your downtown if anything you see that huge arrow to the west or north depending on how you look at it us one is in the diagonal so people are just driving driving through and by us essentially so it's moving West right and that's the biggest Arrow that's because people moving south from from on us one and then are then taking an easy right and then getting out so they're not taking a left partly because there's no way to get take a left on Sunset uh but partly you know even if you go down um uh on on Red Road um you see that that's the second largest arrow that we've got people taking a left on Red Road they keep on going south they're not turning into Sunset so you're not capturing those those trips either I'm going to leave it at that there's much more to it I think we have a question from commissioner leben commissioner leben you recognized thank you yeah number one 100% of the commission lives in the city but no my my my point is yeah I understand and that is an exorbitant number um in the 90s but we have a very large retail area and Commercial area where the city's only two and a half or two and a quarter square miles so and there's a lot of single family there's practically no condos dated Apartments all low Rises so you know it it it doesn't surprise me when we say that we compare ourselves with other cities right we won't have the commercial component that Miami Beach does but we certainly have you know relative to residential much more than than uh than Pine Crest and Alo Bay and so forth but that's one thing we have to consider when we look at that high number is that we have a large commercial on retail ratio to to residential yeah commissioner I think I think the point is that there's an opportunity to capture more of those people if we offer product into the in the city so I get it's not a straight number that's my point yeah no we agree right we also looked at the residence commissioner so again this is a a summarized version uh a speeded up summarized version of the report uh but but needless to say we're going to use everything that we have including the numbers that you just mentioned with the residents uh and the retailers in order to um inform the next steps of our report uh so safety conditions um you know there's there's um there's pedestrian crashes again I'm not going to go into detail um there's uh unfortunate pedestrian crashes uh and those are probably going to increase as people use the Tod more the the transit more uh the more pedestrians you put on the street the more bicycles you put on the street the the more friction you potentially have and so again more of a reason to look at these sections and make sure that we provide as much safety and access uh to uh to uh destinations as possible um yes sir when was the data range for the crashes and all that stuff for you this is now defer to our Engineers three years um this was five years from January 1st 2019 to December 31st 2023 thank you appreciate it thank you we get prepared um so crashes pedestrian crashes um and vehicular crashes again you see where where where this is at there's there's other graph Graphics in the uh in the report that I can refer you to um and then uh you know the need to improve by comped infrastructure is is key again to emphasize the fact that you are one of the very few uh downtowns that has a metro rail right there yes you have US1 which is a barrier and more of a reason to improve that intersection that connectivity East and West um and let's not forget that it's not just about the vehicles it's about getting people on foot and on bike uh onto the station especially if most of them are on the east side right so that's that's uh critical um H the other thing that we saw uh is that in order to improve these there are some deficiencies in your in your city today uh some things that are not design flaws they are just um weathered and and worn out uh the VIS the you know the through the inventory we saw that about 80% of the crosswalks have low visibility uh and these pictures are during the day so you can only imagine walking at night uh it makes it even harder um and in some ways uh it it stops people from actually um being on be on foot uh we also noticed in a few places within the study area those sidewalks are actually missing um and uh here they are a few of them again there's more we uh in that we did an inventory for um but but again these are things that we want to improve these are things that we want to highlight today so that as we move forward we want to make sure that there is no gaps in your um in your mobility within the downtown um especially in the downtown and especially if you're going to increase your residential base increase your retail increase your office Etc with that I'm gonna I'm gonna give this to uh Curtis Rogers who did a more in-depth not we still stay under 15 but a more in depth analysis of the streets you're over but we'll forgive you oh I have one more is just the transit conditions again I don't have to tell you you're very well served in terms of Transit so there is no excuse to get people out of their cars and onto Transit if the destination and if the origin is right and if we provide balanced land uses which as I see from your cardino studies um it is exactly what you guys are doing sorry this this this slide reflects the better bus I asking V Bus Network Pro uh project changes as well okay thank you okay one you don't you don't find the concerning that we don't have Transit coming in down from 57th Avenue anymore I do but I have not done that analysis but I've looked at is what exists there here today and so as we move forward we may find that that is deficiency that was taken out from the latest update to the to the plan um you do have most of the mobility honestly if we're comparing with other cities again your transit station your Metro Rail is you know your your your biggest asset figuring this out hi I'm Jenny Rogers from Curtis Rogers and um just gonna briefly go through uh looking at I I'm no no I'm just trying to see myself I have to what I'm I don't see well enough and know what I'm saying sorry um looking just at the uh Urban heat island for for your area and you can see the areas that are redder or the hotter areas and lighter areas are less hot pretty here um just there's uh you know definitely a correlation between paved spaces and green spaces being cooler so we're we're looking at that um you can look at the canopy that we see uh around the city this is sort of a mapping of the existing canopy um there there's a fair amount of canopy in some areas and some not so much you got to use the uh clicker so we can see it with you oh I'm sorry see here you go technology sorry about that um some of the what we did notice about some of the existing canopy especially in the downtown area is that it's growing in very restricted conditions so it can only get so large and you're going to start having trouble with some of the larger trees um in the next few years probably because because of the conditions they're growing in um you can see in the pictures here like the the one on the left left is an example of a tree growing in a constricted space um there are ways that we can improve you can improve the space for the tree uh with leaving the tree in place and we've done some of that in Coconut Grove for them they have a lot of trees there that they're very attached to and uh they always want to improve their sidewalk space but keep their trees so um there are ways that you can do that uh that we might recommend make some recommendations for um we also just notice you know you have a lot of palm trees around the palm trees are pretty uh but they're not providing the same amount of shade that canopy trees are so even if you want the Palms grouping them like they are in front of um Sunset Place there on the corner of red and sunset um we'll give you a little bit more shape just so we we did inventory um along Sunset all of the the Landscaping the parking the finding the Furnishings bus stops lighting so there's a m complete mapping of this in the report that you guys can look at this is going to help us as we move on to the next phase and we start looking at Sunset Drive and ways to improve it um that's just an example of the what the mapping looks like I'm not going to go through it but see uh and then as you go through the report there are sections so we did sections all along Sunset along the east side and west side of us one and um since it it we tried to kind of capture each different section because it changes a lot as you go down the street this is moving starting furthest East and you can see we go from Palms to trees we go to to have a median then we don't have a median and so it keeps changing and then here there's arcades some places there aren't so um and we get on the other one and then we have the median in the middle there um again more medians so it's a a lot of variety going on so looking at ways to we'll be looking at ways to kind of unify that in some way maybe without necessarily reconfiguring the road but ways to unify it in in other ways right whether it's through Paving or other amenities so that's and just so you know if you want to go through them and I'm not going to talk about them a lot but there's a bunch of we did a a series of other streets around and the big picture that we got from doing this was that because we were said oh we're going to do one typical section of each Street we learned that there was really no such thing as one typical section of many of these streets so they changed drastically sometimes from block to block so um it's just a really a real inconsistency in terms of of of the sidewalks and and the space uh in and the parking going back and forth and if you look through this you can you can start to see some evidence of that I mean some streets are are more so than others can I ask just a question are they all 50 foot rways um or are there are there different size RightWay there are different size rways within this project area too um and some of them were we found you know some encroachments into like we're kind of going well the RightWay should be this but look that's there so there were some interesting occurrences so the guys who were out in the field were going I don't know what to call that I don't know where the RightWay is there um we tried to look at the plat books and and sometimes it just did not match up so so there's just some inconsistencies but I I think again you know looking at um just kind of understanding that there is a great deal of variety uh in the streets that it's not a uniform thing so so choosing sort of one solution is not necessarily gonna you know fit everything that's just sort of the big picture with that um that's back to one thank you and that's it that's um almost the conclusion um but what uh the challenges and needs that we found basically the the what we've learned um so you've just heard um the streets here in South Miami are like a potlock right you don't know what you're gonna get like what's the expression of you it's like a box of chocolates um run forest run the this was very useful for us put baby in a corner and and the the the report has a lot more detail H happy to sit down with each of you uh as we move on to the next phase if you have any questions about the report itself but as we move forward what we want to make sure is that we capture not just uh a a good identity for for South Miami but also um the stakeholders um opinions and and and visions and goals um we would love to meet with you one-onone once again as we move on to the next phase I think we have that planned um and we um we are planning to hold our public workshops I believe it's in September so when people are back for vacation like to make sure that everybody's here when we do those um the mayor yes sir you recognized so you said that it's scheduled is it scheduled because I it's not on my calendar I want to make sure that we can start scheduling that no yet that's that's what we're planning okay so all but we're moving as fast as we can because there's some timeline uh timeline conditions that we have to meet um but that's that's the goal I think that was my 15 minutes maybe 15 and 15 but it's not too bad okay uh questions of mission we are at and his team everyone good no I think the uh the data is good it's a good start and I think now you guys understand why you guys are here and challenges by way of information I'd like to sus out some more again very interested in perspective Tendencies what the market looks like what what the opportunities are and also where people are coming from so I don't know if your cell phone data helps us understand where users are inbound from like what's our natural retail catchment area just like to understand that in the demographic social socio economic demographics of those individuals if that's something you can help us us out as well you'd like um we had a very in-depth presentation on that I'd love to have it one-on-one if you like a one-onone we reason is I I need a pitch deck that when I talk to people and you you look at all the excels and yeah okay we show you all the data the background but excellent work thank you very much thank you okay colleagues uh we have a discussion item on uh oh Chief Hatfield I'm sorry uh I'm sorry commission commissioner uh leben yes sir yes thanks I just want to make some comments so uh very very good start um I definitely like to set up a meeting I'd also like a copy of this presentation this this isn't in the in the backup and uh thanks for not recommending black olives on the on the sidewalk thank you commissioner okay uh Chief Hatfield my apologies honorable mayor vice mayor Commissioners U we have a guest tonight with us I'd like to virtually introduce you to uh Ryan T Novak he's a fourth year student the University of Miami majoring em Motion Pictures with a minor in advertising is a strong passion for both commercial and documentary film making and Brian is committed to highlighting the meaningful and untold stories one of his notable projects here uh included collaborating with us with the South Miami Police Department to produce a behind the badge or humanizing the badge recruitment video which showcases the officers behind the badge and the nobility of policing so John if you don't mind I would ask you to play that video for us helping people helping people is the best thing that I can do the best gift that God gave me is to be able to help somebody [Music] I have resources to be able to help [Music] people you got to have a strong mind and a strong balance you want to try to have Outlets be with family be a friend there's a lot of benefits to the training that we get that we can give to people outside in the community joining the police force meant that I got to stay here and make a difference in someone's life I save lives and I stop crying from happening I have have a 1-year-old and a 13-year-old I take as much vacation as I possibly can with my family you have to be mentally strong to help these people out our chief is very protraining we have specialized units and we also have a lot of community activities South my the Department's growing the opportunities are there we're a really tight community so we're really close with the city of South [Music] Miami I want these people to know that I'm here for them not only as a police officer but as a friend all right Ryan are you with us uh virtually yes I am Ryan any comments from your section or your uh your way out there in uh Pennsylvania Ryan uh thank you very much for having me tonight and I'm very glad that you guys had the opportunity to see this video um it was an absolute pleasure to work with the South Miami Police Department and I'm very proud with what we've had the opportunity to create so I'm excited for more people to see it thank you Ryan and and appreciation for you uh I have a Chief's award here unfortunately you couldn't make it in person uh school is out and you're up in Pennsylvania with family and friends uh but I'll read it to it says we hereby honor Ryan Novak uh in recognition for your passion commitment and community service and humanizing the badge through video filming editing and production for the South Miami Police Department signed Chief Rio Hatfield June of 2024 we'll get this out to you uh before too long so I'll get it I'll get with you offline and we'll get your mailing address Ryan are you back here in the fall yes I will be back in the middle of a August well why don't we have you back at the beginning of September we can do it in person if that's okay love love to make sure we honor you we appreciate um all the time and effort you put into this um very well job very well done and I think it's emblematic of the kind of relationship we want to have with uh the University of Miami and the student body uh we know you guys can be a credit to a lot of what we're trying to do here and I think this is a great example of uh the ways students and our city can partner together so thank you for for being a shining example of what our partnership could be thank you very much it's been a pleasure commissioner Leeman you recognized sir and Ryan a personal promise to you we won't make you sit through the entire meeting next time my my apologies I did not realize that you were online for this item if not we would have moved it up earlier so well as we did with some other items so thank you for your patience thank you thank you R thank you Chief we appreciate it have a good night thank you okay we've got a discussion item if we can introduce M1 please Madam clerk as norise ordinance modifications exemption in town center and deciple restriction in single family residential areas Mr maner do you want to introduce this item or I'll just hit up and then I'll let the attorney uh who did some of the background work working with our director of development services um so we had been looking at some incidents of reports um having to do with noise uh from a single family neighborhood standpoint and our difficulty and challenges and and trying to address and potentially uh have something that can be held up uh from from having a standard when we go out to to measure uh potentially you know noise and deal with it and enforce it and so as a result of some of those complaints we've had some internal conversation about it and I know director uh GAA has worked with our attorneys a little bit so uh the attorney wrote a memo that provides some information I believe you have it and I'll let I'll let Tony sort of uh share a little bit of his thoughts on this wanted to bring it as a discussion item and potentially make some tweaks um that would take us in a different direction as it relates to noise ordinance thank you so um the there's two matters that that I guess were specifically proposed for discussion uh one uh was the uh the vice mayor wanted us to talk about the exempting or limiting the application of the noise restrictions in the town center and the downtown somi district specifically because um and I don't want to put words in your mouth vice mayor but but I'll just try to summarize um if we're going to make it a locus of activity and we have noise uh limitations that conflict with that um we may we may be creating conflicts that that will limit what you know the activity that that we're we're trying to Foster there the other uh element of this and this is something that Miss CA uh had had raised um she's been working on uh changing the way we measure uh the maximum noise uh limitations specifically in the single family District but but it it can be uh um I guess enlarged to to the entire city and and what she's trying to get at is a decel limitation as opposed to our current standard which is plainly audible at 100 ft so that's the language that was proposed here uh it's it's a specific decel uh standard um we would have to uh be able to measure it and and train our Code Enforcement Officers to to read you know to to actually uh take these measurements and and uh we'd have to specify where they come from now can I ask a question about that because I think there's an assumption I just want to make sure is correct in this and that is that it's our code enforcement officers that are going to be responding to these complaints and I my experience often it's it's our police officers that end up being the Frontline people on these matters so that's an excellent point okay um that's an excellent point I think we would need both okay so able to be I think when we move to this kind of a standard we will need some sort of I forget excuse the I don't remember the name of the instrument but we will need some way to to measure that in fact people are exceeding these thresholds above ambient noise during these hours so you know do we have a sense of what the cost attended to this enforcement approach I don't believe that this time we have that okay so I again we move to the budget something to think about and I me I think this is probably a better standard the only I would say is that our current standard is probably easier to police uh no pun intended because it's you know it's does not require a reading of any kind or any technology so just something for us to consider as we move forward but I think it's a it seems to be a very well calibrated proposal yeah yeah the one thing we would add and this is uh you know uh Mr Rango and I were looking at at the no ordinance earlier today and there are a lot of outdated you know Antiquated Provisions um steam whistles I don't think we hear too many of those anymore um there there's a lot of things like that so we would recommend if we're going to you know if we're going to pop up the hood on the noise ordinance we should really clean it up yeah I I mean I think we should simplify it to be any any noise whether it's man-made or from any sort of um you know other technology I think specifying the Technologies get dates it very quickly right probably a better way to draft it um I I do have a question about the exemption I don't I don't disagree with the vice mayor's suggestion generally um because it is an area that we want to introduce activity but um I was recently had a visit with a woman who served as a nightlife mayor for New York I didn't know these positions existed her job was to kind of help um reconcile a lot of the conflicts between uh nightlife bars restaurants clubs that obviously have Amplified music or like or you know or live entertainment and Buddy neighborhoods probably a good local example where this conflict is evolving more quickly every day as Windwood right often neighborhoods are kind of made by their kind of nightlife scene or art scene and then over time residential gets added and these conflicts kind of become very pronounced and so I I think um my only concern about a a blanket exemption is that noise travels right and so we we may just want to think about a blanket exemption and also as we're hoping to see more units come online one of the things from the conversation and I'm happy to connect our staff with this individual and and maybe they can help inform what was done elsewhere in New York is there may be an element here for projects within the Town Center to maybe incorporate certain kind of noise attenuation aspects particularly on the residential side that you know often the new residential users will become the complainants of about noise right um and I think we all want to see a more vibrant and robust scene for lack of a better word in our town center you know when I when I was knocking out the doors last cycle people would like to see micro breweries and a wider variety of of bars or or restaurant venues that they can they can frequent um I just want to make sure maybe if we can incorporate some requirements or some incentives for people to add like double pain glass for example it's a little thicker right B more costlier but would would create a Better Living environment for people living most adjacent to uh those uses right in the Town Center um and maybe that buys them an exemption from from enforcement of these particular code elements right yeah and and the place that it comes from and and during my discussions with the city manager I said look at what happened how we got where we are if you look at it and and I'm I'm gonna say it wrong because I can't have that kind of memory when I was on the planning board it was literally like you can't hear it from the sidewalk in front of the restaurant and I'm like okay you just have to walk through downtown right now and I can tell you anybody who has an open door is already in the wrong and the there was a huge Conflict at one point between someone who lived in the apartments at Sunset Place who bought it knowing what was going on downstairs and then proceeded to call the police on a daily basis and I'm sorry but I think our police a lot better to do that is exactly the kind of conflicts that she this woman and I discussed I'm forgetting her name at the moment but I think there's also maybe there's a way for us to kind of as an incentive inoculate the developer property owner Builder from these kind of complaints if they do certain things to mitigate those future conflicts so if you're going to have a mixed use project and you want to activate it with FNB and hopefully it's a lively scene but you add double plane glass or triple I don't know standard would be triple PL Gass to kind of provide some noise attenuation in the building then I think an exemption would be something that I would be very comfortable by because you're you're you're thinking through those conflicts so that we don't get brought in to provide the enforcement right so that might be just something to think about I think it's yeah you know I don't disagree with you at all this is literally sorry commission lean my apologies sir I don't yeah we don't see you you recognize sir go ahead thanks yeah so one sorry just backing up one um I know you missed me last time but with the with placemaking one thing I wanted to say which was I mentioned is Sunset Place is going to change the entire landscape of traffic patterns it's going to be the biggest economic driver you the city ever will see and uh I believe ever so um I would just like for that group to to take that to take that into account um but secondly to provide some further context the vice mayor alluded to there were condos I for many 40 something condos at Sunset Place and one lady kept complaining when brother jimmies took the the former um uh D Marino space and they ended up having to shut down their outdoor bar um and then dis that in terms of homes as well uh specifically between right you live between 58th 59th Avenue 80th and 87th were three homes that were rented to students could always tell CU one there were a lot of cars two they're always in the grass and three they always had Northeastern plates but because of market conditions there are no more college students renting homes any longer they just homes have just become too expensive in the area but uh that that was probably one of the number one complaints when I first took took office yeah the homes in the are rented by college students and that's and that's exactly I think the source of one of these policy ideas commissioner we have another uh home a little bit uh in the you know middle section city north of sunset where we have that very same conflict so further comments or questions yeah colleagues when we're talking about all of these different times I can't we do like a simplified version of this I mean if I'm a resident and I'm trying to think I can have this noise from this time to this time this time to this time I can't do this I can't do that people generally have and I mean call me stupid and and that's okay but I'm like okay you know what if I'm having a party I can party until 11:59 but come midnight I know I have to turn down my music because everybody else is wanting to go to sleep and that for me is like a common sense thing I'm not thinking about APM or you know I'm not thinking about those things and so we we not only need to think about how we're putting this together we need to think about how we're rolling this out because if you you show up at my house at 800m for lack of the the right word I'm going to be like super upset because I'm like why are you coming my house it's 8:00 like so we have to think of more than just writing this on the paper we have to think about how we're going to tell people this because we suck at that sorry but we do like I I I agree and I I I really don't know whether Madam director if you could address it as well I I don't know if there's a really significant audible difference between 75 Deb and 70 right which are what the outer limits would be under all the time proposals here I don't know if you could help address that just to get a sense of what that compares to so the decibal ratings are on a log scale so the difference between 70 and 75 is significant it's not just five you know points or something it's a logarithmic scale so okay it is high and the different time periods depending on whether it's a weekend or weekday uh but we could simplify that I mean that's why we're here this just it just doesn't make I'm sorry and I don't mean to like be a jerk to people but this doesn't make any sense to me like I have no idea what 70 DB sounds like so if you're sending a postcard to my house you have to be able to say Hey Monday through Thursday 8:00 a.m to 8:00 p.m. your like background music in your pool can sound like a lawn mower but at 8:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. it has to sound like an electric car like you you see what I mean and there's actually charts that give you exactly that OSHA publishes charts they give you exactly that uh it tells you you know whatever 60 DB is Whispering 70 DB is normal conversation whatever 80 is a city street so you know we have there there's charts that we could include for that easily and and are we when we're doing this are we taking into account people are like hanging out in in their backyards people are in their pool people are have music coming up the speakers in their backyard like so I I think I think maybe a suggestion you know as we I think we maybe should give staff direction to kind of bring an ordinance forward and as part of that discussion so we'll have two readings if you can kind of maybe share with us the chart that translates into the level of activity that would trip this kind of a threshold I think that would probably help address your concern so what is it tripping now like what's the tripping points now we we we don't it's just plainly audible noise from 100 feet the property boundary the the recommendation is also to change where we're measuring from so that you're actually measuring from the property line of the complainant because sound you know could be um muffled or whatever by the in the front of the house and the people are having a party in the back so we've had complaints where yeah in the front of the house when the police officer gets there doesn't really sound very loud but the house that's on the back or at a diagonal from it it may sound very loud there so the idea is you can make as much noise as you want but once it's above those decel readings at your neighbor's property line not yours then that would trigger a violation questions Cory should we also add some notes to staff to come back with costs for implementation with that too obviously wouldn't be part of the ordinance but just something to consider and ease of of enforcement so sound meters are not like prohibitively expensive um we had them in other cities that I worked in we have two or three sound meters and I mean I don't see it as a really expensive item to purchase and we're only going to need a couple so so yeah I yes commissioner leben you recognized sorry in terms of disseminating this information on the public and educating the public about a whisper and so forth maybe we recommend an app there's free apps that have decibal meters I know they can't be used legally but again it's just to give people an idea okay so I I think so what I'm hearing is we want to move forward with this generally right um if you guys can work on formulating this into an ordinance and then I think it would be helpful to illustrate um what kind of activity would trip the elaborated thresholds for the time suggested and uh if we could also understand what the city's strategy would be in terms of procurement of resources uh what the right number of resources to procure would be to enforce this and the cost associated with that I think it's something we all want to consider that's what I'm hearing from all of us is correct okay Mr manager is that clear I think um having something that's more defined just a cost Savings of Staff time alone I think that's a fantastic invol I was going to say I mean we currently enforce a Sound Ordinance it's just it's like telling somebody you're speeding but they don't know what the speed limit is it's just too fast and I know I've been a party to a lot of conversations I'd prefer not to be just in my time so I can't imagine how much time you spent and again we go back to a matter that this group disposed of very early which is the studed fit matter the amount of time and calls associated with that matter so I think there's I'm not I I again I don't I'm not saying that the costs alone of this aren Justified because we certainly have other expend expenditures in terms of Staff time and resources call responses hopefully we would diminish right um that would allow us to kind of direct resources elsewhere so but I think we just want the information for discussion purposes okay one last question mayor yes sir the hours that you got is that is that a template or you got that from maybe another municipality or that yeah it's from my experience into other municipalities but again you know we could make it whatever is right for the city okay okay thank you thank you for your work on this appreciate it okay do we need formal action or are we fine with just a direction to bring it back okay we we'll rely on the direction okay okay if we can uh take up uh and read item six please for record item six in is of City commissions and City assign for authorizing the city manager to issue a request for propal RFP for the development of Hometown District l b thank you madam clerk um Mr Cy you want to quickly review the changes from the last time we reviewed this and summarize the memo for us on any title encumbrances thank you for doing that work I just want to get all that clarified and then we can have a discussion about how we want to proceed sure thing M uh so there was a red line version that was supplied to you all um it's near the back of your of uh whatever packets you have or or the the set of uh electronic documents so the there was the first clarification was made that it was not to it was not limited to a hotel uh the first version uh required a hotel this this expands that uh makes a hotel one of the potential uses so that was the first uh first change next change uh there were some cleanup items further along the financial strength and capacity section uh that was made consistent with the city hall RFP to not require uh so much financial information at the outset but uh make make very plain that it would be required prior to contct TR negotiation so that was added that was in section 1.77 um the evaluation criteria was clarified uh that the price proposal included a timing component that that had been discussed and and the the importance of having the the uh of waiting the price proposal based not only on number but also on when those those funds would become available uh the the there was some cleanup regarding the city's rights and uh to wave irregularities and to to reject proposals if if none fit the bill um so we added that language in there and then the next section was had to do with the project itself okay again uh there's set the hotel component which is a possible component as opposed to a required component um there was a clarification made regarding the site itself uh that was based on the title work uh that uh you all had asked us to do um the there is a roadway believe it or not on the south of the of the parking lot uh it was actually dedicated to the city for roadway purposes or for Highway purposes even so dedicated by deed I'm sorry not by PL dedicated by deed okay that's right yeah so that's why you have this the current configuration of that parking lot you you know how the uh the road uh expands at a certain point once you're you're as you're moving from east to west that expansion yeah there's the little the little Alleyway gets bigger as you go deeper into it you know the parking lot has like a little a little jog all right that's because of how it was deed right so we we made we tried to make clear here that the road is uh or the the alleyway is sacran that it that it has to remain for RightWay purposes uh so that was one clarification and then we added the you know what is the potential um development parameters based on the zoning study and so where we ended up was eight stories with bonuses to allow up to 14 stories with a density of 100 dwelling units per acre with no floor area limitation uh so that is part of that um in terms of the development vision and goals in section 2.2 um we we just clarify ified that the the vehicular access way uh that that that that Dead End Street has to remain open um we also clarified again regarding the The Upfront Revenue payments uh to to try to encourage you know earlier timing um there were some additional cleanup items regarding the the zoning changes but it was just it's consistent with what I just described and then um it's more additional clean up we added a cost recovery element to this uh just to make clear what needed to be provided we don't have an upfront do we have an upfront uh cost recovery it's blank it's blank yeah we let that blank um so we don't have a number for that if it's we're leaving that up to to you all okay thank you for the summary um colleagues any comments on the draft that you want to kind of bring forward yes ma'am you recognize I I had made mention that since the roadway has to remain would it be a possibility or would it be feasible to leave that and build above it so that they whoever it is that ends up with this has the benefit of that space just above and beyond whatever is needed you know for the truck to get in there or whatever um the City attorney pointed out that it may or may not be possible based on or maybe it was the city manager one of the two like okay so where do you have to have columns or you know can you do a canal lever and so all of those things were discussed but I just wanted you ought to have the benefit of hearing is that even a possibility so that it doesn't just stay Dead all the way through thank you for that further questions or comments on the draft Yeah well I just may I oh sorry of course you can commissioner lean you're recognized sorry I didn't see you yes no no worries it's my item I know you've all heard it but it's on the agenda again it's been a while just want to intro introduce it quickly by the way all the information we were waiting for was an absolute net positive um for potential project and the the street doesn't doesn't impact the the street was never going to be included in the parcel that I was suggesting selling now again the benefit Rotel whatever the project is people don't eat there that means they would frequent our restaurants we need a driver especially is stop get to be now and in Sunset Place also when people in hotels they'll tend to frequent the other uh re retailers as well of course for condos w't be the case the hotel but otherwise they're less transient um again not the case with hotel but condos generate um more Revenue than an apartment building or or straight Hotel because the the number of folios um everyone keeps saying where we're parked I know we're doing a parking study in the parking garage is right across the street I know that lot generates Revenue I know that property will be worth more post sunset place but we have to switch hats from private sector to public sector public sector you have to lead investors follow government in investment um also there's a void for hotel we have I'll say it definitively maybe there's one but in my opin we don't have a hotel in the in the city and um yeah it's in a perfect location and and the bottom line the whole motivation the whole Catalyst behind this is to generate Revenue to support the the beginning of the presentation you just heard tonight which is placemaking and that's really what we owe to all the investors in our city and all the the businesses both retail and commercial that help us to keep taxes low and city services rich and account for approximately two-thirds of our tax our tax base so um we need to reinvest in that area I know we've agreed to to do this study but we don't have the funds for the hardware so again that's the ultimate motivation is that all the revenue from this project stays in the area to go into hardware for plac making and and otherwise just find me another Revenue Source that's not a bond because that's not a guarantee so but I don't think the votes are there so let's talk about it because I don't I don't want to let's not prejudge it so any comments on the draft I have a I have a I have a bunch on particularly just around Pages yeah I know surprise surprise Pages uh one and two of section two right um so I I just wanted to again so if we're going to do this I want to be able to evaluate what comes back and compare apples to apples and if we want to have an orange variety there that we want to look at as an add-on I'm fine with that but I think the uh bought everything below the graphic starting with currently that that that section of the of the narrative on page one of six of section two um it says what we're contemplating by way of the zoning envelope I think we need to say that that's the zoning envelope they should provide an initial Financial proposal around uh and if they want to introduce an alternative like we did with the RFP for City Hall let them present an alternative development scenario that might request more density so we can see what we may be leaving on the table but I I think it's going to be hard to evaluate if we have multiple proposals that are all proposing a different program because they're assuming a different zoning envelope I'm not sure how we're going to compare the economics of one against the other to make sure we're getting the best deal so that would be my recommendation let's follow the model that we did with the city hall RFP and let's allow for a base proposal they want to go beyond that certainly we're open to at least considering that alternative commissioner lean does that make sense to you yes absolutely again I'm just looking to create an economic driver and looking to generate Revenue to put into place making so absolutely I I think in terms of the moving on to page two of the same section paragraph a right uh I'm fine with the changes I do have um I do have one concern and that is there is a mandate here to Pro provide a public parking component on the first floor again I don't know the feasibility of that on a lot of this size when we're going to want them to provide probably some off Street loading right uh they're probably need to activate the ground floor to require that any portion of the public parking element be on the first floor I think is going to constrain people's ability to design something that's decent so I would just rather say there has to be a public parking component and they should prior prioritize the placement of parking on the lower floors of the public park of the garage right that's to be built to the site makees sense to everyone okay so there pardon me May there would be a public parking component but it would be prioritized yes I mean I don't want a mandates on the first floor but it should be certainly if they can incorporate some first floor parking we would certainly welcome it uh but I'm assuming that to get to at least 30 replacement spaces it's going to require that they utilize more than just the ground floor to accommodate all the other things that have to happen on the site just my assumption could be wrong um in terms of paragraph B I I to me the last sentence reads like a fire sale I don't want the market to interpret this as a fire sale I want to maximize the value yeah the last sentence that's that's been added here I I I want to maximize the value I think that would to me would get the best the most weight is what provides the greatest Net Present Value in terms of a financial return to the city so again that's going to mean commissioner Leeman to your to your point we want more money up front but I don't want to get a slug of money up front and sacrifice the backend of what could be a very lucrative project so I'd rather I'd rather model it on a Net Present Value basis and reward you know have our staff analyze it and give priority to that Madam vice mayor you have a comment about that yeah can you give me an example so uh you know we may get a slug of money over time but you know in a prior iteration of a term sheet I circulated I want to make sure that was a backend kicker right that's not money up front that's money that you know get it's you're going to do a condo hotel and sell units I want to make sure that if the market runs up and this is a very attractive product that we don't just get the money day one we get money over the life cycle of the sales right and so I think the way to analyze that is to say we're going to analyze it on a Net Present Value basis what's that mean in terms of dollars if we got that full stream of Revenue day one and we apply whatever the discount is that you know Mr riveral thinks is appropriate to that stream of payments okay um what's not clear to me from this is this proposal is what we want to send by way of a message to potential respondents about how we want them to deal with parking during construction for the surrounding businesses right uh aashi rice uh the pizzeria that's there some of the other users rely very heavily on this parking um I do not want to sacrifice their Tendencies for our ambition to develop site so I think we need to require the respondents to address how they're going to park these 30 spaces again I'm not I'm less concerned about the revenue I hate to say that out loud I'm more concerned about making sure these businesses survive the transition to the day that commissioner lean is envisioning where there'll be more people to frequent the very businesses that are there huh h no I mean the revenue is important I'm not going to lie I mean I my in my proposal I you know if they were going to if they were going to they had the the parking revenue is part of their financials so that we were didn't have a budgetary hle I wanted contract if they're going to park in our garage I just didn't want a monthly payment right I wanted a contribution towards the capex of the garage I mean I think I asked for like something like $7,000 in the term sheet I put together um you know we can talk about whether we require some of those elements or not but at least what I want to see here is at least some emphasis on how are we going to get these surrounding businesses that rely on these parking through the displacement associated with construction right and I think we should ask of the respondents to put their best creative hats on at least try to help us come up with a solution right um and that's what I have by way of initial comments I may remember something else as we discuss this further but uh anyone else want to add anything to the to the mix I'm good I I don't think I would have thought of that okay but thank you commissioner Corey commissioner Kai anything you wanted to add yeah I think we're kind of aware of the risks associated with this obviously we might be running into some parking issues in that area it's not really a lot that might be able to sustain its own parking we're developing this in the back of house of what's already been said tonight as the most important development in the history of our city uh that could conflict with it so I do think that if this is something we're going to proceed with that we should proceed with caution I in my you know um perception of this don't really see a possibility of this being developed outside of maybe a hotel where we could maintain our parking and really nothing else now I know the market can be creative and they can bring something creative back to us and I guess I'll just trust the Judgment of this board that that that would that we would do what was best for the city at that point but there are some R associated with this I just wanted to lay out there so that we're all aware of it um if we do decide to move forward and of course I thought those were great um points made by the mayor and I'd love to see them added if that's what we're going to be doing now so I I you know I think just my my reservation about this process at this moment is exactly the concern about how we may constrain or hurt um the development of Sunset Place before we know what they're going to bring forward um you know my my strong suspicion just given where the market is that is that if we had a hotel requirement we probably wouldn't get we might get responses but they probably wouldn't be all that economically attractive given where the financing markets are generally with respect to hotels uh Hotel uses um my strong suspicion is we'll probably see responses that will have a very strong condo Focus which is what the original proposal that we got was about because right now financing is challenging a lot of folks are moving to condo product because they can fin they can Finance the construction cost in part with buyer deposits so um again I you know I think I'm happy to walk down this path with the board if we want to put it out there and see what the um see what comes back but I I'm I you know I still have I I want to reserve the right to not have to award it uh based on what we see certainly so I I mean but let's I'm happy to move forward and and explore the opportunities so I'll just state that you know I think what we've been kind of going back and forth with is the ability to do something now kind of put it together to see if we can get something economically that's going to work but my problem is that we always want to not my problem I think that what we want to do as a commission in a long-term play is understand the different caveats the different understanding the different economic abilities or possibilities uh that we can do with this particular property we don't know what Sunset Place is going to look like uh we don't know what the requirements are going to be on Sunset on Sunset Drive uh which are the two most important things that we're we're trying to go do I I mean I I definitely agree with commissioner Leman that we have to do something and we need to continue to progress I just don't think this is the right timing for it um I mean everything that we've been doing as a commission is more of a Legacy play and a really wellth thought out plan uh as a legacy Play We want this to be surviving in the next 20 to 50 years um and we don't really know if this particular product is going to work um there's a lot of different caveats on there so I'm I'm very hesitant to move forward with this particular proposal at this moment um just because of all the different scenarios that that that could happen here so currently it's a small lot um you know it'll have to be tall to be economically feasible um there's a lot of different possibilities of play that we can do with this again we can trade it we can you know we we need a park in the area how do we do that do we use this asset particularly as a play and and these are the things that I've said before so you know I'm not inclined to move forward with this particular proposal right now U until we get a little bit further along with the current plans that we have uh I I I applaud commissioner lemman to to try to understand how we're going to pay for some of these things um I think we're going to be doing everything in our power to make sure we have that budget in place um I just don't know if we need it right right now those are my comments further thoughts yes give leaveing go ahead just more context by the way everyone's comments uh I thought were great um and and valuable just want to say if there is a parking garage AC right directly in front Sunset Place it's private um as we know that's the only thing that that will stay and then our parking garage is across the street and um uh yeah that's it forget the the other thing but but there there is still there is still parking there in the end term no I know I I mean one of the concerns I've heard expressed about this solicitations from the owner and for that very reason they don't want their parking Reservoir to become the parking reservoir for these adjoining uses um right because they're obviously needed to activate their site so that that is a concern I mean I I I just wanted to throw this there I'll recognize you in a second Comm Le I see your hand you know the other the other alternative and I'll I'll be a dead horse for one second which is you know we we we're looking at we looked at very modest 6% growth in Ral or uh base this year it's about $750,000 of Revenue does this board want to say we're going to take a quarter million off the table and pledge the revenue from the parking at the site Asal Al for a limited borrowing that could net us you know three and half to $5 million depending on what Mr riveral tells me to actually do improvements to sensor place I mean that is a sensor Drive excuse me that is a that is an approach that I think meets the mark for commissioner lean in terms of finding Revenue to do improvements um and does not necessarily encumber the asset with another use for the long term right it's kind of a medium-term or interim term I think alternative I that to me would be the most comfortable option but I know it requires five out of five votes today to get that done so um I mean I throw it out there because I think it's a way to kind of also meet the goal of saying we got cash in hand to do something but it's going to require us to have the budget discipline to say we're we're going to set aside that 250 for this purpose Mr I mean are my numbers roughly in the range of reasonable so $3.5 million possibly on the 250 less again correct me I no no shame if you want to throw what you think okay $2.5 million so just for the record okay so how do we want to proceed yes commissioner Le you're recognized yeah just a little more context the other two properties the joining properties are in are in play so right that that could be a contributing factor just something for us to consider and then yes a pro I don't want to speak for anyone but the proprietor Sunset Place is in favor of a of a hotel on that site but um but okay yeah we can we can vote and then at 2 and a half million is it going to it's better than nothing and I'd support that um but you know it's not going to get us very far in terms of the the money we're going to need for placemaking but it's something well I mean look the last proposal we had was fly the hard number was $5 million so I mean we're again how do we want to proceed I'm I'm my I I'm I'm fine supporting uh a solicitation with the modifications again I'm going to reserve the right not to award the development because I want to understand what the conflicts are and I want understand what the proposal looks like but I'm happy to have the conversation and see what comes back in the market whether there's zal interest yes sir do do you sorry I think we had commissioner leben with another comment and I'll recognize you sir no I was just G to ask you mayor to make that motion so we could adopt those amendments and then we could just vote it and whatever but then sorry I think I think it's your item if you want to move it with my modifications I think that would be the the best way to proceed well post uh commissioner ka's comments I'd like to move the item with the mayor's proposed amendments okay commissioner Caya comments um do we think it's fair for any of the proposals to start working on this invest time and do this I mean obviously it's on their own time and they understand they're going to read and understand what we're doing and what our thought processes by this conversation do we just think it's a waste of time a little bit right now I mean I I I mean I don't want to I don't want to play this game where we no I I do proposals out there and there's you know a 50/50 shot or a 30% shot that we're actually going to go move forward with it um without a lot of unknowns I mean with a lot of unknowns so look if if you speaking for myself what I'll say is I I mean I had some com you know there was one response that I had some questions about I mean I'm very sensitive to people spending time and money on on these processes it's it's not without significant financial consequence but that said you know saying no today precludes someone from bringing something forward that may knock my socks off maybe there's something that's really spectacular um and I could find a way to support but again for me it's a high bar to kind of do something on the site today so as long as people understand that whoever may be watching or may watch this in the future certainly I'm going to expect something to be pretty significant for me to want to cast my vote in support of it y so we have any further comments if not I'll entertain a motion for against whatever we want to do lein I think he he did it he made you want so you have you want you want to reaffirm the motion to approve with the modifications I is that correct yes okay so motion we have a motion is there a second I'll second okay so a motion by commissioner lean a second by the vice mayor any last discussion the good of the order if not Madame clerk please call the RO I have one question yes ma'am um do we need to fill in that that amount we do we do need a cost recovery number thank you for highlighting that Madam clerk any thoughts from any board members on a cost recovery amount should we ask for $115,000 and I'm I'm going based on what we've expended this far in your summary on just City Hall is that I mean I don't know if that's a fair gauge from my perspective yeah I think that's that's waiting Ian I'm hoping we'll have more than one proposal so if it's two we'll have $30,000 to cover our our time uh at least in hand when they submit as opposed to correct okay so I I would propose that we add make that yes ma'am yeah and you guys good yes with with no proposal bonds right same same as City Hall no proposal Bond I'm not sure what that means you want to transl there was a proposal Bond uh with City Hall we had discussed it that uh basically it sets it the proposer is committing that they're going to honor the the bid you had waved it with City Hall do you want to wave it here as well honor the guarante bid a guarantee of the bid yeah I don't understand that they're that they're not going to withdraw their bid in the middle of the process that we're not going to go through the process and then stay with nothing right what did they they put up an amount yeah they would put up an amount that they don't yes like a deposit amount basically non-refundable yes what was that deposit for City Hall it was deleted it was deleted in City Hall we we eliminated it so I'm sorry so we would be blind what their their economic proposal or the amount for cost recovery the economic proposal it's a separate sep recover if someone said we're going to pay you $3 million and we said yes they'd have to bond for the $3 million no they this was a this was an amount I think for with City Hall we had provided for I think like $50,000 or something like that basically a penalty if if they pull out at the you know as long as as long as you know they're covering our your costs our costs for third party reviews I'm I'm my preference is not to do that but I mean I don't know what the board's preference is okay I think that's how we ended up yeah there with the city hall so does that warrant a larger amount or a smaller amount what's the suggestion from staff because I'm assuming the the cost recovery contribution is nonrefundable correct correct correct so so this cost Rec the cost recovery element that we were discussing yeah is for the uh the for the period of time up to now when bids are submitted up to the point of selection correct at selection there is a second cost recovery amount for the process of negotiation correct and nailing down so what we're really talking about is that first period yes yeah so um we had I I think we had discussed 15 or $20,000 I think is okay why don't we just do 10 since it's a smaller project that's F that's it's pleasure of the board you okay with that it's fine anybody have an objection to $110,000 okay so we'll require $10,000 as the cost recovery amount minimum okay okay with those modifications again uh commissioner lean you're the maker of the motion do you accept that modification yes okay Madam vice mayor I'm assuming you're fine with that yes okay so uh Madam Madam clerk if you want to call the role please yes commissioner Leeman yes um Comm commissioner Cay no commissioner Cory yes B Bon yes mayor Fernandez yes item passes 41 okay so if you can read number seven please yes item seven a resolution City Commission of the city of forther approving an amendment to the city's American Rescue plan at AR for funding plan to authorize the city manager to one modified funding amounts for previously approved oper projects services and other eligible expenses and to modify the list of Opera project services and other eligible expenses to be funded which such authorization to be exercised only if time becomes a factor for use of oper funds Mr Man RM um thank you mayor um this item basically in essence U there are uh no uh transfers of any funds for any projects it's basically uh providing uh further flexibility um for myself to uh be able to deal with the requirements imposed by the federal government on arpa funds first one being that we have to encumber funds by December of this year and the second being that we have to expend all our funds by December of 26 so what this would do is allow flexibility as we monitor uh the progress of projects that have been uh previously awarded money by resolution and their critical path potentially and these are more primarily the the projects that that have permit process to them and we meet on a regular basis and we're monitoring their progress there could come a time where we may feel that we're not going to be able to encumber the funds given the status of the project and we would just replace it with another project uh that has been approved um and switch funds uh from that standpoint so in essence if a project is awarded we'll just say a million dollars of arpa money and we feel we're not going to make it the encumbrance uh Andor the expenditure we could um replace with another project and so for clarification purposes once we do that we're not making a million dollars available that's just going to be replaced by another project that that we have in our uh Capital uh project list so in essence this is just giving me that flexibility to be able to manage at um so we're a little bit more Nimble and flexible as it relates to meeting these timelines that we're going to be facing um just clarification on you and we shared some ideas that we've been uh tracking potentially on you know possible projects that that could be brought into and replace a project in oura and um you see a list as you know garbage truck well that's something that we're discussing on our capital projects uh now for the fiscal year we're working on next fiscal year um there's samam Park restroom and Concession that does not mean that the project needs an additional 1.1 it just means that that 1.1 right now is funded through CIP general fund um and and so anyhow again this is not changing any of their projects we're not making any changes to the allocations this just changing uh the ability for the administration to make these changes to meet the federal requirements on a timely basis and certainly can answer any questions you may have thank you colleagues any questions to the manager okay commiss leben you're good is there a motion on the item are you okay well not good I'll move the motion is there a second second a motion by commissioner Kai a second by commissioner Corey Madam clerk if you can call the role please commissioner Cay yes commissioner Cory yes commissioner Leman yes B yes mayor Fernandes yes item pass 5 before we stand ad journ just want to say go Panthers and see no further business before the council this meeting's adjourned have a good evening 42 42 e e e e e e e e e e for