this government meeting is brought to you by eastw works and our local cable subscribers good evening everyone welcome to the Southampton planning board meeting for Wednesday May 1st we have a u full board with the exception of Mark darnold tonight who is uh absent first order of business is an anr that's been requested by Timothy and Christine Blaze for white loaf road map 40 parcel 13B and here to present is Robert olac from Heritage Engineering and surveys thank um so this property is located on the easterly side of road and uh it's part of a trust the owner is Susan Cody the co co trustees are Susan Cody and John thir um Susan's daughter and the process of filing with Board of Health and conservation uh it is a parcel one out of a much larger piece um the area remaining is 41.2 Acres uh the approximate Frontage remaining along White Road is 1562 ft with additional Frontage on mdle road so there's plenty of uh Frontage area remaining to keep it a conforming lot and then you you were explaining they they allowed a 30ft BRI of way there for the neighbor it's I it's not a right away they just allowed a 30t gap between the parcels to allow access to the back [Music] MH so any questions from the board I I think the only question is want to make sure this property isn't subject to anything like an anr or any other conservation restrictions or anything along those lines this is an application for anr you probably mean an A thank you are filing with the um uh the Board of Health and conservation um so I know they're in the process of dealing with anything to do with what in there but there's a conveyance imminent within the family is that what you described yes okay and I would guess this land is enrolled in chapter uh that I'm not sure of that would be something that you would need to um have an attorney follow through scrupulously because Southampton is no longer turning a blind eye and we're applying so my job as a select person is Lis on to the board of assessors and um we're trying to bring the practice up to meet the law so please follow the law a family transfer is exempt but you still have to file notice of the conveyance so the assessor can sort out ownership and if this were to continue you say in chapter some chapter or another that it might qualify for um there's additional documentation for that so um that's all good it looks like you're planning ahead you've got a good amount of acreage to work with but the fact that we endorse not approve the anr plan yeah does not relieve you from any obligations uh of title right including and not limited to the chapter 61 lean and getting it sorted out between different members of the family as you convey so uh thank you for your Indulgence Mr chair again because we're not dealing with planning board business we're here to endorse yeah yeah an approval not required plan M and I've only just seen the paperwork um does the chair swear and affirm that this meets all the dimensional requirements and uh so on with zoning so that we can endorse this plan yes it does meets the frontage I have no further questions yes I'm not a surveyor um but I thought when you prepare these anr plans on the fact you're creating a new parcel that it is customary to provide the remaining dimensions and layout of the donor parcel the entire yes um as long as you assure that there that there is sufficient Frontage in area remaining satisfy Zing requirements has been our our typical approach to it I've seen other plans done that way but I'm not sure if that's a strip requirement in this I see do we have a scale requirement different than 1 to 40 AC well they they identified the remaining acreage but what's not clear and not trying to be a hard Hardo here but what I'm trying to get at is you're showing a 30t gap here it's not clear with this 30t opening what parcel this belongs to yeah this goes over the Middle Road here from the the you know from the Loc but you can't tell really you can't tell if this if this 30t opening is the same subject as this or how that's connected so it is a little I mean I'm not trying I I don't know how this would I don't know what technical review the county does when you record these but that's my technical concern with this layout here probably make a note of that for the future especially you know we don't often see huge Parcels like this broken up but I mean it would be helpful because we have seen it on previous plans where the remaining acreage is is stated on the uh the plan as well outside of the the note section so for the record the Lubec and Lubec and Susan Cody are the same owner for this yes lot as it's as it surrounds this parcel you created yes they're just carving out this part of it yeah um Christine Blaze is the daughter of these people the one speak up Blaze Christine blae the applicant is the daughter of Susan Cody great that's why I mentioned that it may well be an exempt transfer under chapter but that's not what we're here for is that your only concern meets all the other dimensional requirements okay is the 1 to 100 plan more standard it does seem we're zoomed in pretty tight here well it's just the scale of the site is is quite it's too yeah maybe I think what you're getting out is just kind of too focused on the yeah so the Locust map doesn't show Parcels or does it oh it does but not ownership but it does show that there's one one parcel that wraps continuously around that both ABS Middle Road and white Loa yes it does I guess that does attract there and always scale matters so it has some scale I'm sure look like a to m in here any other questions anybody want to uh move on this I'll move approval uh I rather um endorsement of this approval not required plan uh for lot one off of white loaf road with the address to be determined you have a second second motion made in second any other further discussion all in favor I I I I all right before we uh close this out uh Lisa narwitz also in the email she sent your uh their requesting the address for this parcel to be 31 white loaf that was I believe so that was her um suggestion so can someone make a motion that we assign I move that we assignr lot 31 white loaf Road second I I motions made in second all in favor I I I [Music] looku the myar one copy good for you or do you need what I think what do we got one I need I need four one two three Steven's got one so I can do one more for you all right there's your two copies thank you for the feedback take that consideration for future PL or reduce the scale on it yeah great thank you good luck good call Paul okay where did these all go Paul do you really want to registry they all go to the registry cuz nobody in town hall can find them uh I know that Paul we we had those filed upstairs right the copies usually up in the file there's a file drawer that has anrs another drawer has subdivisions up in the file up in the work room up in the work room second floor okay thanks for sharing that okay next on the agenda we have a u hearing for solar installation for Denise Herman on 97 strong Road someone here from Sunrun is it did you did you bring plans with you or anything um this is what I have here I know you guys question I had something okay all right what was the last thing in this packet did so what there not a big plan to scale I didn't know what they apologize this is curious but it doesn't connect anything oh this is the solar proposal a copy of this and just so I can share with everybody I'll be right back Paul it's right here isn't it oh what was your name sir's your name for the record my name is Rob Decker Rob Decker thank you okay just go to the podium and give me a minute because I have to read the notice all right so the application was filed the the permit fee was received the abutters list was provided and I did the mailing personally to the abuts and here is the legal posting that was publicized and also the notice that the neighbors received to M General chapter 40 southam planning board will conduct a public hearing Wednesday May 1st 7 pm at Town Hall to1 College Highway to consider the application of Denise Harman at 97 strong Road for a ground Mount solar installation 10kw or less subject to the provisions of article 7 section 275 for solar generating facilities of the zoning bylaws anyone wishing information or to be heard in this matter should appear at the time and place noted above and a copy of the application may be request in advance of the town clerk's office or by email planning board town of Southampton .org and it was published on April 1st and 8th um really thank you sir that backg I didn't get your name I know you're from so you can um give your presentation about what the Herman are planning to do uh off of White Road uh 36 CS uh so it's about 22 ft [Music] long approximately 56 by 13 I think yeah we're looking to inst approximately 40 from the road it's on we don't have the rest this but not [Music] this data law all right so before you go any further that's what I first thing I no so is that is that over on somebody else's property both six and eight she told me I saw about earlier and um does she want to merge those two lots no she just wants to put the AR over the two lots did she brought a c of Ean so this to encumber the other that's what I said that she probably would likely have to do you know have to have you know granting that you know I don't know it's your project yeah that's what I'm I'm assuming you know that would be required so there's no there's no existing building on that other parcel right now she owns both of them huh she owns all three Parcels okay yeah some some arrangement would have to be made I would expect if in the future she wanted to sell that I exactly you know I'm sorry you've had this for a month uh m chair and I regrettably am not up to speed on the regulations um it's is this something we can actually consider uh given that it SPS two Parcels well I think that's a a a legal question to be quite honest with you there's she owns the property even though the property is divided she's the owner of both of them yes that's what I understand although it's uh still a little thin on the details there's nothing there's nothing in our zoning bylaw that says anything about the property other than that well that was the question I'm not familiar with zoning bylaw for ground Mount and solar we've done a few of these over the years and the main contention from most of the people that U obviously there's no concerns here but most of the neighborhoods people that showed up in Prior ones where they wanted to make sure that it wasn't it was far enough away from their property line some of them we have the opportunity um to condition on screening it not to block out any of the sunlight but to screen it from a neighbor if someone thought it was offensive or U soften the blow of the installation um but for all intents and purposes there there hasn't been um and I was looking over the bylaw again this afternoon um how would the assessor uh divide the value of this Improvement between the two lots something I can't answer that would be a question for theor I I have a problem with this without some additional property Interest being being you know established for this very expensive piece of infrastructure I that may be beyond our reach but maybe just as a a good citizen I would suggest that there's something more that needs to be researched here if I may add if you read the letter of the offsets L line what's that any lot line that's my point it's any lot line it's not who cares who owns it yeah that's that's I knew it was that simple yes this doesn't work at all so what would you like to see uh merge the two lots merge the two lots on um or you have to relocate X feed back from she could do a division of land even you know she keeps one partial I don't know what yeah but she can't but the but her problem is if she wants to keep it where it it is now if she reduces the lot that it's going to be on and shared with she could be reducing the legal lot building and it will be a non-conforming lot but again God Only Knows well it's a pretty big lot it's a two AC it's 2 Acres I mean the frontage though Paul Oh see it's one 150ish it looks take my uh binoculars are working here 15 seems like it's 160 maybe yeah the other one's 130 so I don't know so if if that was the case then then she could get away with it how much bch do you need for a we lot well according to this if the her other lot is 130 it's got to be at it's got to be 130 how the hell are you reading that I can't I can't oh how are you doing this I I can see it you might have a better version in the copy you have an original I can see the the lot to the left is is 130 and the other one looks to be one 160 180 I can't tell 160 is my desk we have a better plan somewhere yeah um the lot requirements may actually be recited in the upper right hand corner but that again exceeds my vision um I with all due respect I I would suggest that you read the bylaw carefully and come back with a revised plan and there'd be no uh per Prejudice that you submitted a plan that was uh completely out Aline with our bylaw because in in the bylaw it's got to be 20 ft on each side and 20 ft from the rear the and it cannot be cannot be in the front no facilities are permitted between the front of the principal building and the front of the lot line and where no building is located on the lot the minimum front setback for the underlying zoning District shall apply so whatever that zone is the setbacks for that you don't have a you don't have a height issue because uh it's 15 they shall not exceed 15 ft oh did they do they state that yeah the panels cannot exceed 15 ft no in the technical drawings um I don't think I saw that anywhere you know we really you got Mr chair I we have nothing here unless the applicant has more questions understand try to I appreciate you time on this well top of the homeowner there are some choices you know I I think you could do a little carve out potentially uh from that other lot and meet the setbacks without reducing the front but you have to take that to a surveyor and an attorney and uh that's well he doesn't but she does well I I I I don't mean to give you either legal or financial advice except that I believe there's a solution here oh so this is what's going to happen I'm going to continue this okay because it's open and otherwise if if we uh table it or do something else with it then you have to go through the process again with a hearing and publication so I'm going to keep it open and it can remain open for a certain amount of time before then it's put to put to bed we meet twice a month so and then on your return not only information about the lot but at least a a larger plan I was think to scale I I have only what you sent me via email which is this yeah that's all got to be provided by the you know the property well there's just a couple other things that I think we typically see um usually with these plans there is given that it's a ground M and it's so close to a new Frontage that might be on uh White loaf we typically want to see what screening or what natural screening there is from the street side cuz the intent yeah so the intent usually is to have these when we do these ground mounts not to put them on the front of a building lot to put them in the back um and there were other applicants in in town that had similar proposed ground mounts which need needed to go through those steps to verify that there is going to be proper screening what not even though notices went out those those are still screening requirements that I that I believe are in the bylaws do you want to have you got a pin there handy I do if you were to flag the top of the panel alignment through that Woodland take a picture from the street Frontage able to Dimension that in the zoning bylaws it's chapter June 5th so what's your pleasure May 15th and then I'll okay so here's the deal if you cannot make the new the May 15th meeting I need an email from yourself or M Herman requesting that we extend that to the following date I just gave you June 5th all right but I have to know prior to that excellent thank you sir all right how much prior do you need to know that is that for public not notice or is that just before we open just um yeah okay so we can deal with that agenda item that night yep that if I know beforehand Stephen that night of uh May 15th I can say I received an email from the applicant requesting an extension to June 5th great great so before you leave I'm going to ask for a motion uh from the board here to continue this to May 15th make a motion to to continue this hearing until May 15th second motion made by Paul and seconded by Steven any other further discussion all in favor I I all right thank you than you right oh I might have a conflict that night all right because continued I'll have uh Mark Mark if Mark's here he'll be able to weigh in on it yeah um if there was he'll he'll probably have to view the he'll probably have to view the uh tape of just yeah discussion we had and we'll be in on it um committee reports or any other reports of the annual town meeting she mentioned that it's coming up on the 7th we have one war article that I'll present about that table of use that got omitted from the last U is this special permit site plan review no uh no that that we haven't addressed yet when we uh revised the zoning last uh before last year's town meeting y regarding multifam in any District do lexes blah blah blah there was a bunch of multif family um uh offerings there that we we did that we incorporated into the new language in the text but the table of use contents chart did not get for some reason or another got Mo it got omitted so the the language in the the regs are in there but not the table of use for reference so now housekeeping thing that nonetheless needs to that it still needs to be approved so let's do it uh other than that other committee reports for anybody well um Dan passing off too gently um we're in public session on the town meeting warrant is the issue about acquisition of 125 College Highway the entirety for a public safety building and other Municipal uses or other uses really it's not limiting in that way um it's a 54 to 56 or 7 acre track and it provides the town a wide variety of opportunities Beyond just public safety building uh to advance housing and small scale commercial development mixed use in other words right in one of the town's developed centers and so I wanted to speak strongly in favor of this I know the board has and I know the board has INF furtherance of this idea um thanks to your leadership um CH Paul uh determined that the town will submit a letter to the city of East Hampton uh exploring uh commitment from them about connecting to the public SE so is is that going to be done is that in the works by some by the select board or the the I understood your writing to be that you were initiating however I did send a friendly email to the mayor who I've had a ongoing dialogue with about affordable housing and so I just said you know love to connect with you um I was making a familiar contact not an official contact right because that um that goes along with Richard Harris's um yes the outline that he provided I think is excent yeah and I think that that's largely reflected in our expression of interest for uh planning and z in Grant we have so many different things going I may confuse categories uh Chris fs and Siara s yes um we're working on that proposal and we got feedback it's in the One-Stop program it's special bucket and so we've been encouraged to go ahead with the full proposal that would fund the feasibility study so so uh moving forward with this expression of Interest qualified commitment gungho yes we'll sign you up for the 25-year Capital Improvement program whatever it looks like it would be nice to get specific with the city at this point would you be interested Paul I know you're um and you're a busy guy but any chance you could uh send me like a draft Act of a letter that I could send to the city of East stampton mayor the planning board it would go to the city engineer city engineer asking um what their commitment would be for sewer capability along the College Highway Corridor there uh from the East Hampton line to what's their capacity and what might yeah a commitment look like I don't know the technical language well I I mean we just wanted tread lightly and not make the Assumption really we need to know where they stand today because if they can connect two new businesses not four new neighborhoods we need to understand that out of the shoe so I spoke to the city engineer about this before yeah and he's anymore he left the city he went out east okay um so the current engineer has it on his radar and referred me to the water and sewer guy and I didn't pursue it because there's no current so the current there's no current engineer he he left so Dan Murphy was the person you probably spoke with yeah he's not there anymore oh damn however Diane Rini who worked right with him yeah she might be stepping up to the plate to be the city engineer now there's actually a town resident that is the D W superintendent who's in charge of sewers a Southampton res GRE nlman knows is that a conflict no it's a benefit no not at all someone you know yes now to be clear there when I spoke with Dan Murphy a couple years ago there's significant capacity on uh rail trail that they installed sewer there there's no capacity on the rout 10 yeah so that's that's what I understood that's not there's no tire yeah you know W away which is the gap between the two is short but no I understand and simply looking at the Topography of our town uh it is apparent to me as geomorphologist that it would be three times as expensive to go up and down along R 10 with all the concurrent disruption as opposed to combining it with construction of the rail trail though they might need to be adjacent not coincident all to be determined through this planning gr so there's a slew of things that need to be reviewed yep including rail banking if that has any restrictions on sewer I see yes I agree I agree I'd frame the question a little differently but that's still open I I don't I think it's silent I think it's silent nothing inconsistent with returning to rail and for the purpose of providing Recreation principally but the ancillary stuff seems to have of ample precedent but you're correct that still need needs to be addressed and we need a specialist in rail banking so there was a I think there was a feasibility study that was done about 10 15 years ago on the sewer front do do we have that are we aware of that what do you mean the sewer fund here Paul for here uh not yes for for for South not a sewer fund but a feasibility for a sewer installation to be installed you know I'm too new in town I've not heard of that what is presently in place helps low-income land owners who replace failed septic systems and that's a Band-Aid where we don't really have adequate soil I'm going to reach out to someone that used to live in town that might be familiar with this did talian Bond do that uh no I think it was done by another consultant but wouldn't Pioneer Valley planning have it in their Library no probably not really okay that's not in there that's not in if they didn't get paid they didn't yeah it's not there's a company called coin Feld that I believe did the work doesn't want work and I remember hearing about it I I don't I don't I don't think I saw it but I there was a significant amount of leg work that was done to develop this document that the town paid for is my understanding which has a lot of work discussed about where the sewer needs to go so someone should look into that maybe would Randall have anything on that maybe we ask Randall if he knows anything about that not the water department because they only deal with but if we ever went forward who's going to manage the intense who who is the water superintendent now Brett or Bren I'm sorry I can't remember his last name what any other reports of committees or information planning related did you want to share oh yeah what can I say well generally the open space committee uh failed a quarum this last month and I regrettably was one of those who was absent without excuse um nonetheless the mountain Waters project with kol goes roaring ahead and we've various different offic say Town building we've been signing off on contracts and changes of ownership uh chapter land a whole slew of things and U as with any multi-and owner project there's going to be one or two that slip and we're beginning to process that and evaluate our backups um so stay tuned I this is definitely at the confidential level except at that sort of high high level so I think there were you remember 10 12 land owners involved in total and right now we just have one that has found the terms of the conservation restriction to be too tight but might might come back again I'm always hopeful thank [Music] you I have a bill to pay for the daily Hampshire Gazette iove approval of the warrant for the Hampshire giz that for 3394 and that was for this solar ad that was run from this U company that just we heard so I'm looking for a motion so I can pay that yes sir so moved second motion by Steven second by Paul all in favor I I if there are no other move adjournment my sentiments exactly want stay here I have a second second he all right thank you gentlemen oh it's hard to keep sacret e