again everybody it's 7 o'clock and uh we're here at the South L Conservation Commission meeting July 1st 7 o'clock again uh and do our roll call we'll go around from Andy Andy R Dennis Clark Chris Pratt Jerry Patria Norm sh Kevin Sol and welcome everyone we are in hybrid tonight is there anybody who has any public comment anybody online public comment okay don't see any hands we'll move it along we'll move on to uh minutes that minutes of June 17 they had a revision 49 South longard Road RDA the motion was made to uh find the project negative with conditions that should be in the minutes that made negative with condition but they would bring in a plan of how and how they're going to get in there what's going to be done with the trees they needed to see a plan before that was a condition that was correct in the motion yeah right James it was was I here yes was also discussed that there needed to be a funding source they need to have whoever is going to be doing the work present a plan to the commission this acceptable because we haven't seen a plan I don't we couldn't really we could vote on the motion is far as you know being acceptable if it's done correctly and we'll only know that after after we see how it's going to be done correct and secured funding correct do we know where that um negative determination went because I had written up a draft and I handed it off to you and everybody signed it and then I think it was handed to you and then I brought the original down the select board and cop in the I saw that was written into the determination into the determination condition okay the original on 13 North Pond when they came in with the revisions for that we approved it as long as they kept the sheet piling at the bottom instead of Sil fences as they originally had on the plan that they didn't have on this plan but said they would put on back on the plan it was approved only under that circumstance that they use that sheet piling sheet or vinyl be vinyl yeah vinyl yeah because they had the contractor was ready to do the sheet sheet is up on the top you're right V the vinyl was the for the originally they're going to put up the vinyl high enough to make sure that and then if they they can cut it off to whatever height they want rest correct and everything else I saw some emails going back and forth between you and the contractor yeah he wanted to do a site visit today honestly I didn't have enough time but I had asked Ryan um last week for an updated plan and then he responded saying that he understands that the vinyl sheet um piling was discussed in the meeting but he didn't think it was a requirement so then I just responded to both of them today saying that it was a requirement the plan that we had gotten on the 17th was not approved we needed a new plan um submitted with the vinyl sheet piling and he's the one that offered it to he talked to his client they offered into the time to put that back in and that was clinch the deal so before they can do any work out there that's the first thing it's going to act as a Sil fence better than the cell phones right control that was a cougher dam all right so could that in the minutes Jean instead of suggested it was required was not suggested it was required required do anybody else have any revisions I already made mine grammatical Corrections Kevin you can make grammatical or you know any other kind of Correction if you would like to add even if I wasn't here correct you just can't comment on the content okay okay I'll take a motion on the minutes of June 17th accept the minutes as amended second all in favor Andy Dennis I Chris I Jerry I Norm I Kevin I okay unanimous P it us no I'm bigger Ean should be well that was a gallery I can make him a co-host I can make him host that's a good way no get anything to eat or anything I don't know why make I can make you hes apparently right now cross oh ham I don't know it says make host I wonder if I make can make you a host then you can just make me a host and it was just they like the m r like that we are after 7:05 we can do our first public hearing we have 55 Foster Road continuation of proposed construction of a single family home within a Riverfront of the buffer zone of a border bordering vegetated Wetland we have an A to online and this was to be continued if the variance was approved by the planning board so was I believe believe the variance was not approved what I read was the variance was not approved yes good morning uh this is an so I I am here so um I don't know fortunately or unfortunately but uh I wasn't uh received the variances uh so I reworked the plan so um it's still the way to put the house um outside of U I mean 75 ft from the road to meet the zoning requirements so to do in order to do that uh I cut the house in half what originally was proposed so originally was like uh 1,400 Square ft uh but now now I got 728 Square hit footprint of the house so um I don't know if you would like me to to share the screen and show that plan or Sabrina can do that or in toy I'll I'll stop you for just a moment the continuation was upon the approval of the uh variants granted by the um CBA CBA so what you would have to do now is it can't be continued under that last plan you'll have to resubmit or you can withdraw that application and resubmit a new application um we can't continue from the old plan this is not a same plan that plan at this point would be considered null and void so we're going to give you the opportunity to withdraw that and come back with another plan uh okay that's that's uh how it's supposed to be so let's do that but I I was thinking just the revision of the plan just little change changes to the too confusing it has to be refiled I believe um so we cannot go on to this continuation because it wasn't qualifying for the Z through the zba as a variance so it's a a completely different plan uh that's the way we sported it at our last meeting so under the Southwick bylaws we can probably not allow you to submit this plan under the old plan because it is not it's not the continuation of that plan and I I think what we'd like to see also is someone here to be able to answer the questions that we might have uh yeah there still I was thinking she uh I mean he is supposed she will be here but he is on vacation so um I decide to to be here myself so we can let you withdraw this plan or withdraw the old plan and resubmit this new plan as a new plan refile which has to have has to be refiled for yeah okay so if if that's if that's the way so um let's do that but I I was from my experience from the last last time so uh I did some he was asking to do some changes to the plan so that's what I did several times I think was continued um and and the plan wasn't the exactly the same as I filed so I was thinking this is the same situation so you're asking to withdraw the plan without prejudice so you come back with another plan and not take the chance of this one getting denied and not be able to come back at all with another plan correct yeah okay let's do that yeah I will file motion Chris yeah it might take you a little longer but I think those are the correct procedures to go through so we're we're trying to help as well as we can uhhuh yeah I think that okay second one will be faster right all right yes I will take a motion Dennis I'd make a motion to approve withdrawal of this plan without without prejudice I'll second that okay all in favor Andy I Dennis I Chris proud ey Jerry I one I Kevin I okay anat so we'll do is uh you'll come in and refile for this new plan to be brought before us okay thank you very much for coming in thank you very much bye bye bye bye okay will put together a letter saying that say we proov withd drawing this without prejudice you done that before never done that before I actually wrote a note to like figured that you can askon details thank you d okay 710 we have an noi 772 and 774 College Highway the propos project for the construction of a multi-use development with portions of the workin the buffer zone of a wetland resource area the project uh this oh my God CH you want to put that so um I think right in the middle here we good that way people on screen can see maybe better can't they can't it's only me I'm we can turn the computer make sure like this without breaking anything yeah see introduce yourself hi my name is Cole Modesto from Associates I'm here today representing Dr walls uh we're here for a resubmission of a project that previously been uh approved say we are seeking a new order of conditions the previous project that had lapsed over a past the three years a certificate of compliance has been issued on believe on the last meeting so plans have not changed uh just here run through the existing conditions of there is Riverfront area on the project uh bordering P Wetlands as well as buffer zones the entirety of the project is outside the riverfront area there is a snippet of of the project which will be just a little bit of Paving engraving grading on right inside the Wetland buffer zone 100 foot show you the highlighted portion here is containing all is all the work within the buffer zone all these storm water management is outside of all buffer zone area except for the vegetated filter strip runs just into the 100 foot Zone uh yeah I guess I looking glad to answer any questions we uh reviewed before I believe the D has some comments on it yes and U I don't know if you want to read all the comments but one of them was the delineation itself I went out there enough anybody else go look at the delineation when we actually did it because he was saying the mean annual high water is hard to judge but if I remember correctly it was pretty much straight down it was a bank bank yeah bank there's questions about that and then Riv I just remember going out there and saying obvious it was where it was because of the Topography of it there's I mean the bank comes pretty steep down to where so that bank is for the watering vegetated wood this isal stream over here and an intermittent stream over there yeah this is the river front here right this L right here is is for the Kellogg Brook yeah the only the only we are 100% outside of that came our limit of work still fence is going to be right up to it the uh entirety of the work that is in the buffer zone is just right right here just of the BBW this is the entirety of the work inside of that and we had Randy and the DPW review the storm water because that has to be done through the town doesn't change nothing has changed there were some comments on the mass do comments it says 8 823 um as a revision on the plan do you know anything about those comments I don't is it just specifically to College Highway I I would believe so we I know we had just gotten done uh dot comments for a project right across the street so that project yeah that project has uh I believe there was probably similar comments as far as curut access turning lane we F uh traffic control for during construction how that would how that would be done I believe that is actually inside the full plan set I couldn't couldn't find it there's already an issue out there with a tractor supply coming out of Tannery road that very dangerous intersection there seemed like there should have been a traffic light put up there years ago but it wasn't we had funding but it lapsed h um but we approved the plan before we reviewed it and went through it and this I guess is just a formality because they somebody let it run out yeah yeah okay yeah they could have asked for an extension but I think they just didn't realize that it ran out yeah exactly which gets confusing easier just that all those automatic extension going on so weren sure if the project was got the automatic they don't notify us when that happens it's automatically extend it or it's not and we don't we don't know it until they come in front of us so no understand okay so I'll take a motion to close the hearing s if anybody has any discussion or comments first I mean anybody in the audience okay so I'll take a motion to close public hearing I'll second it okay all in favor Andy I Dennis I chis I Jerry I Norm I Kev I okay and I'll take a motion on the projects make a motion to approve the project as presented and there's a bond I was gonna ask is there going to be a bond for this whatever was in the first it was 100,000 no 10,000 it was 10,000 I don't know if you want to raise that or not it's um in the outer what a buffer own project right okay well probably keep it at 10 okay uh all second the motion all in favor I Den I Chris I Jerry I Norm I Kevin I okay thank you very much your hope not that' be a long time away well we still have to do construction site visit and all that still gotta go through the motion thank you all sure is Che this is our copy yeah okay Lucas me come on up some new business tonight so Al DET Trail signs looks like Lucas has a prototype sort of this is it's a little work I know beautiful right we're gonna put them up tomor the guess a little bit on we can use this on every single piece oferty exactly be nice no littering so this is the size this is well it's going to be a little smaller this is 18 by 24 it's just going to be like 16 because there's going to be 12 signs so we figured I didn't fully understand but Martin explained to me that if we do 12 and a 16 by 24 it works out very nicely so but it will be this material Street grade sign not going anywhere but it's gonna be narrower is that yeah just like a little narrower y so Stand Out nicely yeah so they will last quite a few years mhm and here I have some rough drafts not fully complete but some rough drafts of what some of the signs may look like well we tried to go for a Simplicity because shinin Yoku is all about relaxation so we don't want to distract too much but we still want to get the point across Chinese but Japanese at the same time if that makes sense they use some of the same characters they're all different oh like don't so take a de breath that one's under now I did want to ask is there any specific logos like should I put the town logo Conservation Commission logo on these just as like the formality maybe the town of south or yeah the town of southw emblem on like the bottom right you know what I was thinking we do have that um QR code for like all of the open space areas I'd like to get start getting those out there wonder if that could be like little corner some place that to I gave Jean the uh the welcome sign one we could put it on that one so it's right up at the front of the property does that web page still exists yeah I don't know I've been on it we don't have access to it right did your Valley planning needed more money for us to be able to access it they tried charging me for a year and I them I didn't to edit it I think yeah we can't edit it right now but we have it it's still there still there I made a QR code for it so if you hit the QR code so we should see if we could get the idate capabilities back so we can add or whatever we need because when I did that that was the very yeah I'll send you guys all out the QR again so you can look at it get some ideas behind what you want to do for editing or whatever what not but I mean that was did a great job with them that was a good start yeah yeah I mean can go from one place to the other all around town all every open space area is labeled and tell us what you can do there and everything else so I think I'd like to get that out there website yeah so these are all different uh little sayings and stuff yeah that's nice so we'll have them all spread about and Ponder Ponder a new one I like that word breathe touch five five senses it then there's P it's yeah right well thanks that's a sense yeah extra sense some people don't have it oh my goodness not wrong closely related the Ponder what I'm saying guys thank you all right looks good to me all righty is there anything in specific with the design that you would want like to be shifted or added can we see when you get the design can we see a prototype of it oh yeah hope I'm hoping by next meeting we'll have something would you like it on this kind of material or do you just want like a full size like paper okay we don't want to so waste are you planning on any colors at all or just going black and white we were thinking might do some kind of like greenish but we were also thinking yeah that's true we don't want it to blend in too much we want to kind of stand out so that you can see it clearly but not so much that it distracts from the actual Forest bathing right I think maybe if instead of black you use like a dark green and then a white background that might be nice and simple it'll stand out but still yeah s looky at the same thing exactly that's what exactly what came into my mind yeah like messaging there you go all right color branding exactly I love it that looks good thank you thank you that's awesome I had also discussed with Sabrina at one point about it wouldn't be now but in the future doing a kind of brochure to complement it right and we could also have that QR code on it as well get some more information PR brochure one point we make one those never seen we made a few of them yeah I wonder if we can steal some stuff from that but we welcome that yeah absolutely it's a good idea Al righty then You' got certainly a a great thing going on there we appreciate your enthusiasm and work abely thank you yeah see you at the next meeting oh yeah I'm looking forward to it I'll have something good by then all right thank you Lucas thank you Lucas oh yeah I'll just thank you thank you okay sure just so I can show M okay can move on to North Luma Street Wildlife Management Area Emerald Dash more infected trees neighbor Mowing and we had a was it a complaint that we had sa took in a complaint yeah from the state I believe that the neighbor was uh mowing was that what it was or cut wanted to cut trees down mowing where are we at sorry Wildlife Management Area oh no the battery's running low what does that mean we gotta gotta plug in plug in where I thought it was plugged in all right soon to be not hybrid oh we have 16 minutes remaining um under the can someone try to figure well we'll see how fast we yeah pluging that one see what happens sorry everybody online and people in the audience we're plugged in there we go okay with the settings and everything right so we have and I can bring it up on the map um the complaint yeah so we had somebody who wanted to take some trees down on their property as well as um a Wildlife Management Area off of North Lumis which is also our property so we share it with the um Mass fisheries and wildlife this is a Linsky property correct yeah but not the one on Honeypot it's the one on North Lumis the one that's down the hill it's the field that gets hay by next the Torell yep um purchased at the same time yeah it was purchased the same time was the properties number self-help Grant how long ago yeah because I remember we we were at the dedication remember then we did the golf thing after okay of the guy from State 20 see if I can also share this on Zoom you're getting old I G to share my screen sharing the screen and then we'll put on a b layer yeah we got something else here at the same time didn't we property yeah we did out the self help through the state you and I went down to the Boston so I'm just gonna back this up so you know where we are right here is the Honeypot Linsky property and then this is North Lumis here is is the other Wildlife Management Area which is hay but there is a stream that goes right here in between so that's a field right it's a field a field yep and so this property owner up at what's the number 472 North Lumis um they have a few trees that are some of them are on their property some of them are on the wildlife management um property and I spoke with Jen Jones who's also the steward of this property and she went and had a look at the trees at least the ash trees so there's ash trees on there there's one tree that is in the it looked like in the RightWay and I went and I looked um with Randy Brown their tree Warden at the tree and there was definitely exit holes of the invasive um emerald ashb and Native Ash bers um that tree did have canopy damage um the other trees I I'm not an expert they did look relatively healthy and I didn't really see any exit holes it doesn't mean that they're not infested Jen Jones said that they all had signs of the emerald ashor she's comfortable with them coming down however the prop the trees that are on the Wildlife Management Area they need to hire a certified in fully insured arborist um to cut down the trees the trees the material needs to stay in place for the emerald ash for sorry for the ash trees they need to stay in place so the emerald ashb doesn't get spread anymore um on top of that because we have a stream it's in the 100 foot buffer so I had sent out a letter to the property owner of the neighbor saying that if they want to take down the trees even the ones on their property they need to submit at least an RDA on top of that it looks like they've been mowing on the Wildlife Management Area Property for years and when I say mowing up to the stream um they had apparently they had said that they had gotten permission from either the town or the previous owner however that's not the case anymore um in that letter that I sent them I ceased and desist I told them decease and desist mowing they're also going to get a letter from um the state saying the same exact thing so we're all on the same page but that's the update for that area okay so we'll see holding pattern for now all right thank you okay we have some unpermitted work at 114 Berkshire a possible violation Norm you notice that yes do you have the picture there I do have the picture let me go back to Sher where I just need find my top secret folder y all can see where it is now it's not that top secret we're gonna have to get the oh do I have maybe I don't have that do you have them because I didn't I didn't on y I have I didn't put it I don't have the pictures that he sent the file though yeah I forgot to put that screen share yeah Norm as a co-host or no I didn't I didn't give him that oh you did he's got to earn it he can share his stream so was it I could go into my email but I get I get nervous about going on my email all right I can share share screen now okay okay this is actually a good picture gives you an update on three other projects or two other projects this one to the left is Davenport one 12 book ra where he's got the retaining wall is in a lot of the stone work is done okay just just give you an idea how that one is if you remember two weeks ago we had a problem over here at 116 bir shav where a tree had damaged a retaining wall and we submitted an RDA for approve it and before the before we had the meeting the wall was done yeah same same contractor that was doing 112 and in between you'll see 114 birk sha and what you see going up on the lower portion here is a retaining wall you can see the vitation has been taken off you can see erosion two big erosions runoffs there was there any soap fencing at all no so fancy I I assume it's the same contractor but I don't know the contractor still working on the Davenport project on the other side of Davenport there's supposed to be a silk fence going back across other parses in property have been taken down is there only one contractor on that do you know Norm or a lot I don't know I mean is there only one contractor doing the work yes okay yeah and I do think it's the individual that you mentioned to me I I saw as yeah trucked in it's a neighbor with yours actually Chris yeah I know yeah because he did he did call me about that and I told him he had to get in touch with Sabrina and it had to be filed for so is it Davenport is that the one we met that was last year they got on that we went there on a rainy day yeah yeah I I got there at the end whenever we was leaving I think that's right that's right yeah I know so you see there's good progress there but it's taken a long time is that the vinyl sheet piling or is that um some other materials like vinyl I think it's vinyl curious what it looks like so um sent us decent assist yeah with this information I did send out a letter to the homeowner as well as the alleged contractor um I had invited them to this meeting and or the 15th at South mail it's a hit or miss I guess so um I probably haven't even gotten the letter yet but I did send that out last week it was funny nor because you emailed us right after I had spoken with Sabrina about it so like so he did he went ahead and did it yeah out a letter yeah you can't see you that and I was away so I couldn't have eyes on it but you did you had all righty so those letters have gone out yes hey request for certificate of compliance for 34 iry so I'd taken multiple pictures but I there's only one um me just zoom in right here here over towards the can I what's going on wait I think I understand um this is over towards the shore okay they had put down put down Turf so that part is stabilized um the only part that's not necessarily stabilized is this bare part right here the grasses started to grow right here yeah um we've had some pretty significant rain events and has not eroded during that time okay um and they also want to know if they can take down the soap fence before the holiday so I said if all goes well to me it looks like it's pretty well stabilized yeah it looks good like I think the certificate of compliance is valid yeah you think it looks good it looks good yeah I'll make a motion to uh approve the certificate of compliance for 34 eroy a second all in favor Andy I Dennis I Chris I Jerry I Norm i c i all right improved 13 North Pond we've already discussed the minor changes proposed to the project the needed an updated plan to show that they're required before work begins move down to Mass DOT emergency certification expired work has yet to begin on 600 College Highway the collapsed uh Basin to a Dr system looks like they're working to me it saw trucks trucks and barriers I got an email I haven't yet read it but I did speak with Mark and he said I completely understand why the commission doesn't want to issue another emergency and I think he was going to handle that oh he must have given permission information take that off the list okay proposed amendments to local bylaw local lpp request for the select board and chief police Harbor Master Diane Gil to move this forward is on the select board meeting for tonight the agenda for tonight okay jesz so we need to hear back from the D on the changes or whether they're acceptable or not yeah um we're trying to figure out who exactly to mail just because there's been to send the changes to because there's been she sent you an email tonight right she may have um I I got back send it to her and somebody else oh you're talking about Chrissy hops yeah um and that was at like 4:30 so I haven't and Mark wanted me to call I think about that so there may be another person as well to email to so I'll try to give Mark a call tomorrow to talk about that all right report from St presentations on the lpp followup on contract we that's back with Jason palone okay he's trying to set up a meeting with the select Board of Suffield all right and report from the first two subfield conom meetings do you do you want me to strike that off I I think we should keep the general subject on just report from we just leave that and you can update us when you have something or if there's nothing then we'll just skip okay okay we'll just leave it there but we'll get we'll get rid of the first two thing next 23d okay so we won't have anything for a while all right Noble Steve subdivision request extension for order conditions and project updates you have a letter from Mr Jeff I have not really read it because I just printed it out you just sent it to me today okay I can read it out loud yep Dear chairperson Chris Bratt on behalf of salt M bres Construction Incorporated salvania shitz LLC is updating the commission and this stask of the Wetland Crossing to complete the loop for the road Loop Road for the noble Steed subdivision we are currently in the process of submitting a 401 Water Water equality permit including the mea application to determine if an environmental impact report will be required Additionally the crossing is being re-engineered to use an embedded culbert instead of a poured concrete box culbert which is great that's what we were hoping for we anticipate approximately six months for the water quality certification or water quality to be submitted reviewed and approved the crossing portion of the project is currently at a standstill and approval we will continue erosion uh and sediment control monitoring following storm events commission has any questions they can contact us blah blah blah not that I don't trust these guys but can you get a copy of what they submitted to see if it's really I mean this has been going on that t0 and water quality has been going on for years I mean and they just submitted it please get a copy of that to see what the date is and if they really if it's really submitted this time I know Jeff was in my office on Friday looking through um the old file we'd like to have a copy of what they yeah um and he said that he can he can come on the July 15th or try to come on the July 15th meeting if there's any updates there's also something else that um is of concern to me for this project is that Jesse has a proposed house with septic and a driveway in lot 15 which is the corner lot that has the osed uh Wetland replication area and it was when we had talked about access to that area that lot was the easiest access spot so my concern is will the proposed house um block that access and also is Jesse going to just sell that lot so we can't get access replication should be done before it should have been done before any but it's not and it should be done and before anything else gets sold or blocks from happening I mean that was in the order of conditions right that replication has to be done before not after is there any leverage that we have uh just that $110,000 Bond yeah he's already claimed bankruptcy so I know right know what good that is we don't have the bond anymore we've got to still have the bond there's still the bond posted but if he loses that it's not but I guess The Leverage would be to issue an extension on the order of conditions which we're not going to do unless they comply yeah because that's still not done I've gotten you pay in full up front it's not like you can lose it in bankruptcy and it's made out to you it's made off to the board right sometimes there's a bond that you can do like was it monthly payments yeah yeah I I always PID it's your insurance like you can pay for it year annually or month it's like an annual fee like your insurance Can Company can write an assurity bond is what it's called oh that's the assurity so I don't know how he did it but but through your insurance yeah I I would stick to it until that replication so don't sign off on design anything no even if it's outside of the 100 foot buffer other things need to be taken care of first it's outside of the 100 foot buffer but it's all in the same contract that he made with the town that he would do the replication before he built the house yeah right so it's all in the same right agreement CL stuff all L together he moving on Granville Gorge kios roof and you said you spoke with Brian anywh back like two weeks ago he used already forgotten about me okay have nothing to him okay 107 South lumry possible Wetland violation no update possible Wetland violation at 31 Sam westr no update does anyone want to actually go out there and check it out because I just haven't had time to talk to Ryan about that to find I keep trying to ask I send him emails ignores me that's the property that's right up against the rail trail totally overgrown now You' be lucky if you get through that in the brambles and the overgrowth yeah you got to go in there after first Frost kind of thing they supposed to have it done the yeah they're supposed to have it done before like the wood frogs Ryan we need a status report or is there going to be a violation issue on it all righty I got one quick thing I wanted to talk about before so it was probably about a year ago you you brought up um Japanese sweed do we like DPW I've noticed it in like on Fred Jackson where you come off the Granda Road it never was there the where the chief used to live right along the street there there's some coming up along the edge of the road there's a lot of it on Klein Road my concern is is when the town mows it's they're spreading it yeah yeah well in a way yes and are they aware of what they're doing should they be there should be an education I think you're right say we inform them like Hey listen like the guys Mo it might not even know like might know about it but do these guys know they just might go around mowing the whole town and they're spreading it everywhere well it'll spread it in that localized area because what it does is it sends out more shoots it spreads by Rise all you need is's worth of that how do you treat it though hor the almost impossible to treat it if you know it it grows back stronger if you spray it it gets resistant to the spray if you so what my other question I wonder if there's any grants the town could apply for where we could Bas like who would apply for that should conservation apply for would public wordss like I know just you know yeah have a discussion absolutely good noticing it just I just notic because it's getting closer and closer to my property I got it on my property I've bought it for years I've done everything I can imagine keep coming back stronger Japanese Japanese American you treat it with the D plot no it's something else you can't use glycate anym because that's now glyphy a toxic right for round up and everything they all these lawsuits for using gly you can't even use it on Upland it's gives you lymphoma right answer um but yeah I've tried that on it too it's really hard all right anybody have anything else I'd like to talk about research no what F land on Burk that was being donated all 13 Berkshire yeah is that get added to our list that went didn't that already go through town meetings all yeah the town of that doesn't mean anything right that's why I'm saying the approved to accept the donation um we had to be surveyed or something right we had to ask for money for surve that's right yes I'll look into it last time I S I signed a documents telling our know attorney or whoever go ahead and then it seemed like there's a little bit of a hiccup with that so yeah you got to keep on topic people think the to meeting everything is done at the we just gave permission to accept yeah should we add that to the list yeah on the list there's also another he could go all this way and then just right come back in three years nor another question are we done with that 13 brickshire yeah okay there was an event that took place on Friday and as a result we get it on the agenda in time uh but there was a meeting at uh 5:30 Griffin Road and Four Seasons associations MH uh supposed to start at 8 go to 1:30 I didn't get there till 10 and everybody was was done okay we had the Harbor Master there who was Chief banish okay Diane Gail dick Reynolds uh director of DPW lead cor from sill from the state was Don Connecticut state rafton who was Transportation engineer 3 District 4 surveys ah okay and what what they did is they put a Transit on went back one one marker put a Transit on it and if you share the screen I can show you a couple of pictures right I think you're already um okay yeah you're already approved sh screen it will okay here it comes all right and I am standing right on one of the markers that Don presented and if you go down see right here flag there's a couple of markers that's what he's saying is the approximate State Line okay so you see oh you can see the actual marker marker right before that here this is the granite marker okay I'll show you another picture so you can see here that the Drury dock is on their property half their boat is on the approximate state line and over here we have the drain pipe which Suffield put in there's a rock pile right and according to this survey is on South Lake South L poer So Randy will have to discuss that or the discuss Randy will be going out this week to check it out he wasn't in attendance and then he get with a seld to decide what action they're going to take okay okay now according to Diane two things two act I got another picture but I'll show you that in a minute uh Four Seasons because now the if we assume that this is the true State Line This is not in the center of their property they they said they would move their their dock 5T further south okay and you see Drury is at Diane's request is asked to try to move the outer portion of her dock slightly Eastward so it would create more space okay but need to say that you know Nancy is a member of the association Nancy asked me what my opinion was we going to ask her to move her dock I told her I can only tell you my opinion my opinion is we made a decision based upon the information for this year right then that would stand in my my book but maybe next year it wouldn't and then there's Ed I did I have another taking a second yes stop share so now we're down at the beach looking up and you can see that the marker is pretty close to where the state marker was the state marker is broken by the way right sheared right off see that at the bottom there just just below the the base just under the ground that's why there was that pile rocks there it was holding in place interesting now I know that Nancy's got a different survey that shows that things are different but this is based upon the information we have today I don't know if Nancy has any further you um it's um has come to the associations that the aot kitchen is five and a half fet on the association property yep her stone wall but that has nothing to do with us though right oh I but it's been really really difficult for we live and um I I don't really know what to do at this point um but if you go like that is the only part to the right of it that is UN Association property It is Well by this survey but Massachusetts is cing so stay tuned okay um so um we're talking approximately 5T by 2 feet um so I would like to wait till Massachusetts comes in before I rip up all that stuff there that has been we've been using that part of our property since 2008 we're not GNA make any decisions on your property part at all that's not us and they're ask you know so I just you know where I stood yeah for this year we made the decision the determination to use that rock pile as the marker okay could you do me a favor and let them know that oh that's they already did they already did we had a meeting a meeting there's meeting minutes oh I know yeah so that's that's what it is for this year like Norm said next year if the property line is determined to be different then it might be different next year so that's well it was determined well it's determined now but it wasn't determined when she did her docum well that I mean yeah now now it's determined yeah so but mass is still coming out so there's still to be continued is what I'm saying it's not like a every year it's not definitively placed there it's been determined by one person now there's another coming like my survey is different than what state surve and I've been on I've been online so many times on Zillo on different websites and they're all over the place so one goes right through your p one goes right through my yeah but I I clearly don't want to end up in L court if that could be avoided I tend to think that's not going to happen I tend to think we're going to be in line for it um but we are now using the state line that happened on Friday as a state line that's what the drwy family is doing I don't know what anyone else okay but um I've been request put giant line of Boulders right on the line I'm not going to do that I have grandchildren we're not going to that's a safety thing and plus it's just like you have a point at the beginning you have a point at the end connect them if you need to I don't need to put folders all the way down so um it is what it is but we're using the state line that's been determined on Friday as a state l no and we will be that is the only part that on over on the association proper even though I've been using that piece of property like that since 2008 so it is what it is yeah try to try to figure it out but I've seen surveyors argue over if remember the golf course Mill Road that went on for years oh I remember that the surveyors couldn't agree I think agree now because my surve didn't agree with the state guy and the state guy said he's a state guy and it's an approximation which leaves that whole big window open yeah approximation what does that mean and no one can identify to me what the word approximation means into the state line yeah with their GPS they should get down to like the quarter of an inch you can actually enough they put the Ste in one part and put the I have a picture it and they have the pin drilled into their like four four inches over so I'm like what is it is it stake ver is pin so we're just using what they told us on Friday and we're going to enjoy our property okay have a good summer hopefully yeah thank you for your time thank you thank you Norm for updating us on that okay I'll take a motion if any wants to make one motion to adour that's the one I was looking for second favor call on that we're good all right I'm stopping meeting