all right we'll call the May 20th Conservation Commission meeting at 7 o'clock at Town Hall it's a hybrid meeting um and what open by taking attendance let's go around the table sh Andy Andy Clark Norm CH Jer Patriot very online Chris BR is it okay Chris can you say your name PR thank you so this meeting will be recorded let's go let's go to public comments is anybody in the audience that would like to speak on anything it's on the agenda or not on agenda not on the agenda I believe address for the recordo you are on the agenda I amended it oh I am yep the agenda is I think the most recent agenda is up there if you want was online it wasn't on there yeah I just changed it today sorry um and that's 10 Grand View you said dick granel's here for the hydrilla discussion okay okay so that those two are on the agenda so we can wait okay anybody online other than the hydrilla one and who else we have there so it's not 705 yet so just say we do the minutes you guys have a copy in your folders um there is a motion in a second and Jean didn't know who did it so if you guys can remember um make sure that well you let me know fost Road somebody else seconded the motion on what page somebody made the mo somebody else second theion they was scheduled somebody made a motion to continue the public hearing somebody second gr yeah so does anybody remember who did that so make sure you change after somebody made a motion to approve a continuation for public hearing Happ at Zoom I think B did that didn't they M that might have moved it and I second yeah second that works thank you CL is requesting his meeting or this meeting locally who has Cliff oh okay so allow recording yes okay you that with us today no she's not sorry we don't have a secretary nope taking minutes I'm gonna try John I tried any other changes to the minutes of the meeting bottom of page two the roll call vote goes as follows no call what's up bottom of page two it says roll call vote follow follows there's a couple of yeses down there and this is ciens reporting so that was everybody right unanimous okay unanimous now we change is on this one you have it on that one okay yeah I did my edits and then I gave you guys a note for the record that L Lucas Karen has joined us at the table anybody want to make a motion on the minutes everybody go outside I'll make a motion minutes as amended as you get the road I don't have I don't have to do that that's the meeting minute signature so Dennis made the motion to that I can see Dennis I that okay minut amended okay on the motion roll call vote Vandy Andy I Den I CH stain is is not here Jerry I br how do you vote Chris PR motion is passed Jerry second right I think Andy right on time okay first public hearing is 55 Foster Road I do not have a the legal notice for that this was already opened up in the last okay so it's just continuation yep um and as far as I know they are asking for a continuation even though I didn't get any official from them so I don't think they're going to be here at the meeting we don't have any official how do we make a motion to accept a continuance is there anyone online representing 55 Foster I don't believe so probably not just continue it $75 it's more than $75 it's an noi okay a little bit more what do you thinking continue it I would say continue but make sure you get in writing from them for continuation we would approve the continuation if they sended it if they don't then we don't approve it okay so we have a motion to continue as a second second motion okay roll call vote Andy I Dennis I nor CH I Jerry I so that was Dennis that made the motion so the next public hearing is 42 Powder Mill Road is there anybody here for that they're not going to be here let me uh let me read the legal notice the South Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Woodland protection act 131 140 and the southord Conservation Commission regulations and bolaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for equest for determination the project location is 42 P Mill Road the B project is a space Park propos work outside the wman resource areas and their Associated buffers this application is conf to confirmatory purposes only could you explain what that means confirmatory purposes only be put that in the uh description on the Rd RDA you guys have you guys have a copy of the RDA in your folders I not sure what that means I haven't seen that before loud they also mentioned how there was a narration with more detail in the RDA or the noi no RDA submitt and there was no narration provided so what did they say it's for a spray park of w right yeah so activity work description the town of sath proposes the construction of a spray park on currently disturbed land the proposed spray park is located outside of wetland resource areas and their Associated buffer zones please refer to the attached project narrative for greater detail regarding the proposed project and they do not have the uh narrative attached okay so we had a voicemail did we that will not be in attendance time it says right on here that they won't be rightly they won't be heard in the letter dated May 1 it says that in a couple places it said that it's outside the Wetland resource areas Associated buffers that the application has been filed to confirm that okay so just to confirm it's outside the confirmation purposes on we can do that so it's they're feeling that it's outside of all the resource areas all the buffers and they' killed this out just to cover their ass yeah corre just to confirm that yeah so it's out of our answer well we would just say look at the thing and say yeah it's out the only the only real concern I had was where was the water going and so I had um I asked Nina Arc about that and that was the email I just gave to you now where she describes what is going to happen with the discharge uiz the existing subservice drainage system under the parking lot does it recycle no no there's a Lee field for that recycl so that uses up water well I mean if somebody gets athletes foot you know if you use at the water of the field and somebody gets sick on the field and blames it on the water they recite they do it in some places they do recycle in some places I'd like to see it used a lot of the field or something at least go back into the uh acant and just went back into the ground right but it's ni a clean drink in the water but but it appears that it's outside of any jurisdictional areas so could you don't have a find a negative that's we're looking for a negative determination yeah yes that would be our only pry right i' make a motion motion looking for a motion make a motion to find it negative any second I'll second a motion to find it negative Andy seconds and discussion or debate n Go to R call votes Andy Andy R II nor CH ey Jerry I okay unanimous vote okay we'll move to our third public hearing and I'll read the legal notice the South Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under Massachusetts Wetland protection act GM law 131 chapter 40 of and the sou Conservation Commission regulation and bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for the request of determination project location is 116 Berkshire Avenue for project is replacement of a retaining wall and stairs within the 100 foot comfor zone of Lake paman who do we have for the John Wilson want pull some chairs up don't you come up to the table we got pictures too let me just share that screen so uh last uh last fall I had a big old oak y break off at the roof and fall and crash on the retaining wall in fact uh it was about a $20,000 cleanup all in all as usual you have to get a big Crane in and well that's the wall That's the damage they it pushed the wall problem that it huh problem is no just it's the bottom wall so I got two more above it you know yeah and uh we have a lot okay so we don't have a picture of the tree no I don't have the tree so over the you know we got back we went to Florida for the winter so we got back in the spring and of course the ice and snow kind of expands and it's made it that much worse so my contractor is down there working on my neighbor's house uh James and uh you know he's got a temporary roadway along the edge of the p coming in so he's got a short window of opportunity to work on stuff and this is where it gets a little little off the Beaten Track uh I came in I you know applied for the RDA of course you know we had an emergency RDA to clean up the tree because that was a dangerous situation yeah um this you know at first he put up some uh 4x4 to try to hold the wall up but it was wasn't working and and so over the weekend he actually tore it down and putli a new wall in so the wall is in and it's beautiful but you know it just the order of things was wrong but uh it's beautiful hopefully is there a map that has the foot plan onest yeah let just second so there's the new one that's the new one we just followed what the existing one was yeah we went you know this we didn't go any bigger we didn't go any wider and under four feet high can I get and it's I mean beautiful St you know river rock type facade on it so I it's I think it's an improvement All Along on along the edge of the lake did you put a Sil fence in before he did the work of course he did yes I saw it yeah I went by it a couple days ago yep you got your boat out yep mine out that couldn't have qualified for emergency certification well I think if you had been down there you wouldn't have wanted to be near that wall when you would want this whole Bank to come down either right that's too yeah it's a lot of dirt might have qualified under a yeah yeah you can't you can't like walk up the hill there's no way you have you have to go the stair rout when did we do the trees so is there any more work that needs to be done or is you uh just replacing the my railings that I had just put up before the tree it took the stairs down it took everything yeah so I'm going to do the railings and reset uh some of the the stairs aren't really stairs there's 6X sixes that are staked into the the side of the Hill yeah going up to the house and we have the old brass ra the old um anchor oh the railings from the anchor railings from the anchor the old metal railings that they had at the anchor yeah Goldie G we had in the yard for quite a few years we finally years before finally put them up you don't have to do it right now okay I I almost forgotten about it all right pictures to get the so that's 25 feet from the lake is that what it says the wall that he replaced I think so yeah that's that's seem about right 25 or 24 24 2 yeah approximately 25 ft so he bought a bob ja into yeah well he had it there for the for his neighbor for the neighbor job yeah and so he had a kind of a window of opportunity too I had actually paid for the stone back right after the tree fell yeah cuz I knew I was going to replace that wall and I wanted to have a contractor ready to go and so he was ready to go because he was working on uh James's place and so had that window of opportunity over the weekend and did it in a day so um it wasn't that big a job I think you probably could have got an emergency certification from Sabrina so he wouldn't have had to come after the fact well we kind of thought that the RDA that we filled out for the trees that whole emergency situation we kind of thought that was all kind of together right kind of until we talk to until we Chris whoever he's said come down do another one I think the contractor is the same contractor who put up the wall without a permit last year Norm this is the one that you took a picture of Ralph's place I think he's the same guy so he's putting up he's putting up stuff without permits I suppose we can't tell him to take it down and put it back up again please don't oh God no don't punish him I don't want him punished I was trying to find you pictur of the tree that fell oh of course you can't find him when you progress huh are there any photos of the work I sent you the whole the whole thing this right here not really the work in progress now we weren't here we you know uh all winter mhm but uh when he did it he did it in the day I me he did it we weren't even home and Boom come back it's done so you still need to do these stairs though well couple of them yeah where's the pictures I sent you oh here do you want to see the work in prog I mean you want to see what I have is that is that what's in the I mean that was well that's not really work in progress that's not is that board wall or is that those big block oh those are Big Blocks those are 2x4 blocks yeah is there any drainage behind that or anything any kind of yeah gravel there's the old wall was cinder block so he ground that up and used it as fill behind those yeah would have good drainage no no no if you I would no no no run it's good that you're pay attention Chris what do you think what I see there's like no silt fence no barrier between his work and the lab right it was there it was there it was there that was after that's a kayak that's a lake that's an escavator there's nothing separating the three is Chris still online that's not Chris is right outside my way in I can see the town hall is that the right property here that wasn't when he was working that was just that was down that was before that was before yeah we didn't take a picture of the silence yeah certification previously for retaining walls that were holding back Earth that was holding back the house so so when we contacted right when when did we first Contact oh I don't know was 10es a couple weeks ago at least yeah hey Chris hi um did you hear the all I believe I did so he's got he's got to take it down and put back up again yep oh okay well that would be I think Tammy would agree oh definitely it'd be so fun to watch yes do some community service two by four 2 by four yeah it's um River Rock Tech yeah techno block okay service and help keep the lake clean L that's why I keep my pool skimmer in the boat hey guys sorry to interrupt um I got John Wilson but I didn't get the second speaker I'm Jean the secretary and I had to join by Zoom today yes I'm the Jean here yes can I have the name of the second speaker please uh Sammy Prost Wilson John's wife no I don't need that much detail just fine p r v oost Vost thank you very much I'm sorry to interrupt no problem that's okay scared me all the voice out of the owl which is a great device what do you think Andy see you're thinking there I I don't see a problem with those folks having a wall but you say the contractor repeatedly does things without a he think they had a a RDA filed and stuff already right yeah I mean we were under yeah until we talk to you who's the contractor Normandy Inc we we should take it up with them probably well aware I at 112 but yeah so he knows what has to happen and you said you paid for the rock with Normandy back when the tree fell down yes so you knew it was coming right right wasn't a surprise nope okay so we'll send off a little letter to them put them on not well you know and and he was probably under the impression we were still under the emergency you know we'll let him know it wasn't then let him know it wasn't I guess get a naughty letter get a naughty letter you bad well you on the hook as a property owner but you did put your faith in somebody else to take care of it and they did as a customer I'm at Happy Happy Camp it as long as they don't have to take it down Dennis community service community service is all beach sand from the wall to the water at this point yes it's all sand it was all sand before yeah yeah that has to be reestablished erosion or anything will happen it's always been off yeah we've reused as much of we recycled whatever we could yeah like the cobblestones that were behind the cinder block wall was amazing the layers of of stuff that's in there bottles oh old milk bottles and just bunnies around they Save the Bunnies amazing you find start to dig you don't want it's mistake make a motion not there that's where the ice house make a motion to find it negative I'll second thank you call vote Andy ni Denis I Norman I Chris p i Jerry I okay we'll be over on the first warm day for a swim community service thank to pick up some trash along the beach had some good stuff last week yeah I saw you in Michelle out there yeah the end thanks for coming down and explaining it to us we tried to do it right somebody come back and then have to go through the whole we didn't want to do that want to do any of that okay thank you very [Laughter] much don't know where we are I heard everything else schedule doing a good job I heard was much else going on we're done we can go home now we're not quite nor has some report's gonna extend the meeting in a minute here he said it was quick yeah you been told me that oh John John your USB your USB your USB you're sck USB pictures your right see what else might be is it King Kingston is that the name of it sure what yes is that it okay I just wanted to eject it great thank you okay so we're down to is this the new one or is this the old one yeah that's the new one all right on to new business proposed amendments the local permitting program requested by St board and chief of police Harbormaster you guys have the request your D do you want to come up with this you want to just come on up like to have a chat who knows y I end you a chance to review all this I I've reviewed it and I also asked the LMC to review review it both from this standpoint and from other changes that may need to be need to be made and so it's on their agenda for for this Thursday I have no problem with what the select board has recommended was there anything else that you think might need to be included rental property that's so and I understand that it's unclear it is very unclear I even looked it up on the uh State website I looked at what commercial property means there's no definition under their articles for commercial property where there was for just about every other word yep y but there's no definition for commercial property other then it means I think more than what a resident would be doing it would be like an established business um so I think commercial means something more than what residents would do however we do have within ourselves the right to create a bylaw I believe if you rent a house I own a rental property that house is to me that's I'm the commercial enterpris but I don't think that's the way the state views it is what I'm saying okay right so it's different if you own the house and you live there and you're doing something in your front yard as compared to I rent the house and then I have someone else right doing that activity we all understand that's why we want to clarify and make that right distinction exactly abely their view of commercial is I'm sorry j and Gil 5. Grove Road uh their view of commercial is pretty much accessible by the public right and that's their distinction I think so what I saw look good look good to me I was happy to see that they took an interest it hasn't been updated in such a long time I did run it by Council briefly um he didn't put the wording in I just gave in mind and he thought that was suitable but you guys may want to twink it a little bit and resubmit it just to make sure it's all in the right form on that I'd also like the LMC to have a look at it too I think that was a good idea yeah that's eyes got get pretty sharp over there there Al listed on then it goes back to the state any right I would assume you would get another letter acknowledging that like the initial right right okay good job so dick yeah dick GR I just wanted to add that whatever we do to the lpp any changes that we want to make also have to be approved by D as we have in the past when uh in 2010 there were changes made and that had to go back to D for their consent also so select board and d and concom all have to approve right [Music] so you just want to hold this until we but I mean this consensus here looks pretty good F things up for sure weakness in it yeah and then we'll find more okay and the uh this that other paragraph We didn't give you any language but just ask you to consider if you want to put some language to the what Chief Landis the Harbor Master was suggesting that you have if if there's non-conforming that you that you allow that you have those neighbors acknowledge it and put that to I think we have discussed that as well okay so that was he was getting at at that probably get some legal terminology for that I wasn't gonna suggest that because I don't know how you talk to the people about that right it's like when you get a pyamid a lot of times your adjacent neighbors have to be noted certain things like the chapter 91 for example you have to notify adjacent neighbors they need notification but they're not on your permit there should be something acceptance I would like to see the right so okay so very good thank you thank you appreciate very much all right we also have a discussion of complaint of Doc at 10 Grand View Street and possible resolution we have 10 grand you right here come on down come on down so you are the property owner yes okay backstory yes that' be great um neighor get your address for the record no 10 one we're talking about you state your name as well ly rundo 10 Grand View street thank you all right we received a complaint from um a neighbor of 10 Grand View saying that uh the dock now that it's extended the Dock's been in um Extended by a few feet but it's 72 feet over water so it's within the within the Restriction of 75 ft but because of this length that now obstructs navigation to um their Dock and possibly safety hazard to their swimmers um we did a site visit and the actual placement of the dock on the shore it's fine line but because of the diagonal nature of the property lines the extended property line is also diagonal so um Norm was an attendance Andy was an attendance dick Reynolds was in attendance uh Chief Harbor Master um Landis was in attendance and I was as well and also the neighbor and they came all to an agreement that Ro rotate the tip of your dock six feet to the South should make everybody happy okay so I'm assuming this on the same page this is where you'd want it pointing yep yeah y you can leave it where it is on the land but just the land stage yeah if you pull one you pull one of the pins out just rotate the do okay I have a question because I want to do this once if I have to do anything right um so just so you know I took a look I mean like as far as obstruction this this is a sorry this is a property that's two houses down I'm in the middle of my property right now and 12 Grand View has a right of dock right in the middle of here I'm saying if I pivot this six feet there I mean as far as safety of this boat I'm going to be obstructing their property that's my concern as far as that was my that was my concern as well initially they wanted you to Pivot at 12 feet so the six feet was like a compromise yeah I mean you know I'm just trying to trying to get a different picture too in part of it is because of the dock you need a 72 foot dock there how much water do you have I mean that's I just so basically I had I had other I had older docks there originally and I just called the town if the length of the dock is going to impact how much you can turn it so that it's not interfering with somebody else's property if you have a dock that's very long just a little bit of a turn is going to impact it more than a shorter dock yeah I mean I just so if your dock was shorter it'd be less impact for everybody I just been going off of what I was told I could put in the water oh you can but I'm just saying if if it does impact the length of your dock does impact other people's property then they would have to be shorter can I just ask what dock or what property that this is imposing like imposing a safety hazard on like what property it is it was the property to the north directly to the north of you I can't was that six five five grand view view there's like a log cabin and there's another house below it let just let me bring it up um you are 10 property to the just one lot north of you on the lake right so but you don't have a problem moving it right I just want to make sure I do it one one time and don't have to move it again yeah that's all I want refresh but you need a 72 foot dock yeah most people have like a 50 foot which is fine I mean I have a couple boats on there so was this right here and that is six six grand deew right that six grand de right I believe so Divine yep okay but if that length of the dock does impact the other people around you it would have to be shorter so so what is the length of the dock what length what length of the dock wouldn't obstruct anybody anybody's where or area of water where which is going to be a safety matter I'm I'm assuming you have sections different length sections yeah I mean so what's the length of the last one out there 16 feet 16 so that would be probably acceptable well it's a triangle we have to figure it out yeah you have to kind of draw it and see like Chris said you know the longer it is the more the outward extension is as far as na ability when they coming in but I don't if that was something you could live with but you might how many bats do you have I got four boats on there you have four boats or you're renting I'm renting four boats on there I've been doing it for over 10 years and I never had a problem I just extended the dock out because I went and bought all new aluminum docks because my other docks were not worth fixing any longer so that's why before I paid for all the docks I called to town and asked them what I was able to do and um that's why I'm here so I didn't mean to you know I don't want to call this to any issue or safety concern at all but um just trying to make it just trying to make it work following theine as far as is there a way to zoom oh yeah yeah it's not quite 90 de so I can get rid of the the outer portion is 6 ft further south it compromise that works is it obstructing the I'm sorry this so I I have it in front of me it's obstructing the the the neighbor to the right side that beach this one right here yeah that's an association Beach it is not no the yellow doctor asso yeah the yellow doctor Association and then yeah I'm I'm dead set in the middle of that that property that's a huge that's a huge piece of property right or almost double the size of my property so where's the obstruction now this neighbor um to the north where the mouse is they're saying that there's an obstruction oh where their dock way that on the other side all Beach and so their dock was not in at the time and I also asked that question and he said well if I put my dock over here there would be an an obstruction hold on that was the conversation well it needs to be 25 feet away right but he has um less than 60 feet Frontage he's got about well 48 more over than where the but he it seems like on the ground like in the in the photo here his dock did look like it was right on the property line of the of the South buding property but it what boots on the ground it looked like his dock was right smack in the middle of his property it's just just to show you just to show you one more thing I just want to make it like doesn't look like right here was able to go over there I I I had like this is where it's I understand the whole situation of whatever obstruction that a little bit farther out but this is exactly where I've been putting it and you can tell I mean there's tracks of people for for years accessing this there's sand there but to Chris's Point that's exactly where you put the shorter Dock and now that it's a longer dock it's a different yeah he also expressed concern about the boats coming around through the dust coming into the swimmer but doesn't is doesn't the uh the the property that Beach property if he put his dock right in the middle of his property there would be no issue of any obstruction and was it was it 25 feet was it yeah so this was I don't know what year this was when you look at the property line extensions that's where the interference takes place yeah okay can I interrupt for a second please yes the application has one boat at that site there was only one sticker issued for 10 grand views Street not four okay I put oh okay okay I put three doc vessels I can update I mean I can talking here that's the do that's my property correct that's that's the old dock want you to angle it this way down this way Y and then it's going to be in of this one that looks more of an imped all this area over here you don't you don't have the property lines there no the property lines are not there but this is kind of a guide this this this fence and then this sort Tree Line it already looks like it's angle South a little bit it is I mean put in much more south that's really going to and then this is the association pin in how close this is already that's the 60-footer right right here that's before you put that's that's roughly 55 ft I think 55 okay I believe I don't remember the exact right before this is the old one but I guess it's it's the harbor Master's Call right because he's the uh one decides with a navigational Hazard not us and he's yeah he's the one that said pivot six feet he was very happy with the sixf foot right he's already I'll to look at it right yes I don't think we have any choice because he is the ultimate Authority haard so if you want to talk to the police chief the Harbor Master yeah I mean I guess so I just you know listen I don't want to cause any issues but the fact that this guy is saying well what if I move my dock over here well yeah it's GNA create an issue it's obvious so but I would talk to the Harvard Master he's a reasonable guy yeah did the outlines and everything I will get I I brought this because I wanted to get this paperwork right to you guys see the the way when we were there the way we cited it was by the trees on the other side see here so you take this line so you move these over you're G to just line it up with The Gap there so that's what you want to look for sure that's just way to confirm that that's where it was you know just the distance between here and how that's going to move that's we cited it like l t you know six feet right in the water okay thanks for coming in appreciate thank you thank you thank you and sorry I missed your call last week for the site visit I didn't realize you were waiting for me I thought we're gonna get every I thought we're going to get everybody out there to try to resolve it there and I just waiting on a call back but it's okay so thank you very much all right what do we have next discussion of Trail science sski and final day with Lucas no they grow up so fast right going to be empty n yeah that's for sure just a few more months now I have an interview tomorrow with a new do she nobody look there no one compared to L somebody has to carry the torch but I'm curious do you know who it is yet yes and I forgot her name um just train her Izzy Izzy it's her first name I think find out tomorrow you put him in a leadership role and let him train her yeah he said he's gonna be around for the summer will be around get some experience in a leadership yeah we probably won't get her until next year though that's okay or you're gonna come back when I can or you can you can have her volunteer a little bit now um she does still have class in the so I'll tell tell her she doesn't get the she doesn't get the job unless she comes now I didn't I didn't go to school today myself okay all right so can you tell us about the trail science Fus oh yes I've been writing up the dialogue that these signs would have they're not fully complete it's it's getting there okay and then once those are done I will be back to show those just to make sure everything is your liking after that I'm going to be working with South I might bring them down to sanowski just so they can get an idea of what this Trail looks like and it would help with like the sizing of these signs I'm still thinking like speed limit signs something like that but maybe they'll decide something that's better based on what they see and then after that it's just like visibility size wise you mean yeah just to make sure you know they're very clear and they're not like obstructing anything or we're not like hurting trees but putting them on but yeah but we're all volunteers except for Sabrina so you can always volunteer do whatever you know be involved stay involved all righty that be cool what's your me okay all right Special Tree on that property that's unique to the area I don't know like one specific tree or species one specific tree that's yeah the back I know there's a big Maple have to look into that yeah that would be great let's check that out something to have a sign for remember that but okay discussion of hydrilla coming up Nick I believe you're still on he is he's on mute I am unmuted now there you go okay we um Lake management has been working with DCR uh when this DCR actually was the first one to identify hydrilla which is an invasive species uh I read in an article today that that actually came out from fish tanks down in Florida people dumped it in the water down there and so it's another invasive that has um gone all over the place and it's going up the Connecticut River and the Army Corps of Engineers has been assigned the task for the federal government to clean it up and DCR in the case of Massachusetts uh is the ones charted with um tracking it and cleaning up hydrilla in the various places that it is found and we unfortunately have hydrilla that was found at in the Cove by South ramp by DCR and uh fortunately though uh they put in for funding for a grant and the grant is for 250 ,000 to cover five years the first three are are guaranteed they're part of it and then with an extension possible for years four and years five and the first year we've got a a contract that the select board signed for 60 I believe it was 64,000 you actually have a copy of it 64,000 and change uh for year one which is to assess the hydrilla uh with various methods and they use uh a DNA type tracking which is more than just looking line of sight the advantage of what they do uh through stantech is the company that is uh already engaged by the Commonwealth uh under combes so everything is already both stantech and Solitude are already under agreement with the Commonwealth so we just have to piggyback on it and stantech will actually do the fancy assessment which is uh a DNA type mapping and the nice thing about that is that you don't have to see every plant uh if you catch it early enough and the key here is timing uh before it starts to break down they can actually it sends off like spores and and uh they can detect though the presence of the spores literally hundreds of feet away from the actual plant so the so we'll have a combination of line of sight mapping by Solitude and then this uh DNA and I think it's R DNA and Edna two different dnas that they do um by S stanc and then treat the areas that it's found any place they find hydrilla will be treated and then after treatment they will do a post treatment inspection and then a full post treatment inspection in other words make sure that it's really gone um and not just broken down and uh could come back so and then this this is repeat next year the same thing it cannot be because of the the way it grows hydrilla does not grow in the same rate as does the curly leaf pondweed and the Eurasian water mil foil that they are already treated by Solitude uh it grows slower initially so uh assessing its locations is later than one would assess the the Eurasian water mil foil and the K pondweed and then treatment is the same thing it's skewed so you have to do a treatment for the it's assess treat assess treat two different schedules and that's by The increased cost yeah it would be treated with the dquad as well or yes yes yes it is the same same chemical that's already permitted and has been used for God now probably 20 years Dennis yeah one so you wouldn't need any additional permitting this is already covered under your other conditions it's already covered under the the two uh 292 251 good excellent like I said we're we're lucky that this is totally funded by Army corve engineers through DCR to us and we do not have to spend Town funds to do this work fantastic yeah keep up the good work are we gonna get um a copy of the survey of where these treatment errors are going to be my only concern would be that since the original order of conditions was created the natural heritage endangered species program um habitat has changed a little bit has it increased on the south end it actually decreased on the south end sadly but where Norm lives there's a new new something I don't know what it is what you do nor Norm what did you bring in something in um so I don't salamanders or no no raising it's in the it's in the water I don't know what it is um yeah so that that would be my my only concern is we don't want to knock out whatever is there because it was a plant that was down in the southern part of um cotton grass is that what it is y we never found any cotton grass out there though so maybe it's a different species but the cotton grass was in the same area that the the more condensed area is now so I can only assume that's what it is yeah they they might tell you but they keep it secret from the general public right because people remove it and then can do one I was trying not to say anything but Dennis said something so okay that's not what it is it's not that all right okay thank you dick now we have reports from Mr chever been busy down in southfields got a couple of things to tell us about yes on April Monday April 29th uh selectman Jason Peron dick runnels and myself went to town hall in subfield who address the new lpp contract with Suffield we met with Colin mole and the town attorney meeting went extremely well I presented basically the same presentation that you saw last fall we basically said that we were short Change by about $4,500 College I think it was from from the residents in Connecticut and Colin uh agreed totally in concept to to up up the uh the number on a staggered basis the way it was originally resent uh it does have to be approved by their select board I also wanted to get some uh clarification of some some things Southwick will continue the enforcement was some talk that we may have Suffield do the enforcement of Connecticut people but he wants us to do it which is fine yeah uh he also uh agreed to the picture taking that I did for Massachusetts to allow to do it for Connecticut so we'll put that on the calendar be done this year here excellent so again the pictures will be of every boat and every Dock and tie it to a an address in Connecticut okay uh he he's concerned that he he needs to validate the quantity of boats and docks that counted he wanted somebody from Suffield to address that and at the time I didn't think about it but the person that does does bid Pond Connecticut is is Scott uh Scotty and he lives in Suffield yeah and and and Mike does southpond and he is a Southfield president so maybe that that will qualify but we'll address that with him to LMC guys um he also agreed that he would send a letter to all residents of uh of lakefront property owners to tell them the importance of filling properly filling out the documentation that we have trouble with today excellent okay and I intended to go to the next select board meeting when it's on their agenda just in case there's any questions wasn't on this past Wednesday so hopefully the next one select board will approve that then so that's that update excellent excellent all right scheduling a site visit for season South Pont Association one more I thought you said you were done well that was well that I oh I have now attended two saio Conservation Commission meetings first one I was just to introduce myself and and they were concerned that there was was a big issue that that had happened on the lake and I got they were happy to hear that it was nothing and uh but uh you know I basically went through the list that that we had discussed at the prior meeting but then at the next meeting there was an item on the agenda that impacts the lake and that is on Mayflower Lane if you remember correctly we had some docks and on Turtle Cove nobody knew who belonged to right and they were illegally in there the property belonged to uh Crestfield property has now been sold appar with three lots they wanted toine the three lots do a tree cutting program and this was just a preliminary discussion of activities to come so as it gets as it gets to closer and closer I'll get more information we're aware of something J size will be happening in Tri Co sometime in the future right so that's my update from the Conservation Commission and suff excellent okay now we'll move on to scheduling a the site visit at for season South Pound Association yeah redo we're re we're going back there to look at property Lin so how are we going to look at the property lines what are we going to decide we're not surveyors we're not surveyors I'm not going to look at property lines I thought we settled that we did settle that well as far as we're concerned we we we thought we settled it the neighbors Association two neighbors were not happy they went to the select board um and I I I don't know what happened there but I assume this was a request from the select board from the select board they wanted to meet with us we are the own as perplexed as you we are not surve we are I'm not of the mind to be disputing where the jog is right right 25 years later right if they want to hire surveyors God bless them go go for it we're not going to do it had that discussion yet um but I felt that we had worked together and had a good resolution with the harbard master as well yeah we made a decision yeah I think it was another decision I I am not sure what else we could do here if they want to appeal to the slug board then up to the slug board they need to surve is it the association that's appealing the association that's appealing okay not the Mrs jur they're appealing our decision so we don't I see okay we select Board gets you all were going to go back out there we were all going to tag along with you I'm not going back on I don't think we can there's nothing we can look at that we haven't already seen you know it's we decided that that rock pile is where the we didn't say we didn't say that's the line we said that's what we're going to use as a marker we didn't say that's the property line at all and I think Joe is getting it confused and they're trying to clarify that because he keeps saying that the Conservation Commission agreed that that was the property line and I'm and tried to say a few times that was just agreement on a marker that we would use as a marker to then measure where the docks would be we're not we're not surveyor we don't his latest statement was that that drainage is in Massachusetts well Connecticut put it in in by Conneticut Connecticut I'm Connecticut property my Connecticut property now Randy Brown was at one of the site visits and I specifically asked him do you have any issues with with the property line here that that might be on self property the pipe might I might have an issue of it draining into the lake than where it is it's what it's doing that's true well the chief had told that he had done a lot of research too and find out about lines and I had thought we came up with the compromise that I think most of you were out there that in the rain Wendy it could be on a side of it it could be there that there's a property dispute too maybe that's the problem maybe it's not on the other side it's up to them to try to figure that out though I was not going to get so the select board did ask you guys to go am I saying no to the select board yes you are I'm not going there's nothing we can do please don't yell at me well she's here please don't let Doug yell at me you want to go again I'll be glad to go make sure it's raining though so uh if if you want to go Norm um I assume uh 4:30 would be good for you and the first week of June is is is are you available the first week of June so miss jury wants to be at this meeting two I also going to be the the neighbors all the association yeah I'm not going to be part of that but Norm I would be available what what do you think the site visit is going to accomplish not I think we're be just as confused as we are now we have the Massachusetts and then you can start from there Sur and then we have St field saying that they got something different and the only thing really we can say is sorry hire surveyor to show look at something there's nothing made a good point if we start arguing where the jog is we didn't know state so it's a matter of where the state line is and it's a m from there it has to be surveyed I think if you want an accurate answer yeah yeah so I was under the impression that everybody said okay well that's we'll do this and that's close enough and if that's not good enough then the next step be to formally do it if if that association's concerned is a state line that is neither the select board nor conservation it goes to the state definitely not our it's not our jurisdiction to declare we're gonna steal Connecticut now corre exactly if he's disputing the dock permit to the jwes he has no standing he's not the applicant and he can't make it and we've made a determination somebody else's right we've made a determination that and the attorney agrees he has no standing if it's on that permit he can appeal his own permit if you decided where he had to put his he can't appeal somebody else's and we talked about that too yeah did you still want to go I will go Norm will go okay Norm I'll present us there no reason but agree need toarch it might be good PR nothing else nothing we can make a decision have a specific day the first week of June we do have a meeting on Monday tell me not next I'll be here yeah I'll be there you tell me it doesn't matter um uh Wednesday the 5th at 4:30 does that work good I'll email Lisa is that going to be with I hope so I'm gonna email Lisa that are Ava that point that's but it's tough for them to get their you want to be later in the day then I don't know well let's let's say tentatively what did you say uh the fifth um do you want still want to be 4:30 plenty of daylight yeah tell what time yeah but again I don't yeah i' I just like to add that I have read through all the paperwork so far it's been Prov Ed on where boundaries and whatnot are and there's more confusion than clarification when one reads through those yeah yeah it'd be nice if we could just get a compromise going and everybody agre yeah I agree if they both would pull in to get a survey together I mean if you start survey can of worms can ofm that's true um so I'm going to say tentatively 4:30 and if uh you guys want to change the time just let us know we have a couple weeks so yeah yeah I looked at it on Google Maps the line goes right through the Drees patio yeah that's not accurate really yeah you really can't use those are more of like a guide lot of surveying errors back to you know the other the other interesting thing I will add I don't know how accurate the latitude and longitude numbers are in Google Earth uh but if you hover over the marker uh and the various markers I what I did is an exercise I actually looked at the ones number 120 121 122 123 which are all defined in that um 1800s 19 no 1908 I think it is uh agreement on the state boundary and it has longitude latitude for each and every one of them and if you go on Google Earth and hover over those they are skewed from when you get down in that corner are skewed from what the uh the actual numbers are on the agreement so I don't know what like I say to repeat I don't know what the accuracy is when one goes on Google Earth and puts your hand over again given site you know the little hand that you have on there and you just hovered around a little bit and they don't agree so that just adds another dimension right G be a state issue like Diane said I mean we're not gonna solve the No No we should stay away from right I read all your emails I made me more confused as well so good I agree with you H okay what else we got Chris we're going to move on to the old business mble Ste subdivision request for extension order conditions and project update um what was the project update I'm just trying to remember um so uh Jesse got the enforcement order and he's starting on the storm water infrastructure so he's doing work up there so things are progressing in this timeline that will set my uh yeah yeah not not like exactly to the timeline there are some hiccups but you know well I mean it's to be expected right we did offer our opinion about the pre-cast structure that one pre-cast structure they asked for our opinion we did get I believe that opinion got forwarded that one's for the subdivision alamort Bing that was your opinion on that that was for Noble Ste I thought it was crossing at Noble Ste Kevin suggested it yeah the pre-cast structure instead of pouring it on site I think they're going to come forward with these options because they have to submit um an application for the 401 Water Quality certific certification um and also they're looking for the extension we still haven't gotten the extension so I think they're going to give asking us so for any kind of opinions on that was for the subdivision I think yeah that's the more the more Vining subdivision oh because that was being reviewed uh with the planning board so they wanted everyone's opinion on it and then Randy was like well didn't you guys already approve it it's like well yes but yeah else could be to us but but the planning board wanted our opinion for you know so that's that um but yeah we should be getting a plan as far as the crossing for Noble Steed in the future because they still have yet to have that extension done either that they're going to have to submit only the storm water infrastructure within our jurisdiction um they can't do anything else without that 401 Water Quality okay we also have back the request for permission to access sanowski property after sunset for stargazing purposes yeah uh there's a little bit of movement of that I'm supposed to have gotten a liability yeah form for the Ken to sign and I I just reached out to Lisa and I asked her if that was ready and she said she'll look into it if not I could make one up we'll see about that probably so that you know that's that's there is some movement on that that's graceful that's graceful I'll look into it but if you want to make one that's I can do that that's nice have to use that great Granville G Gorge Ki ask Ruth and I didn't SP spelling Granville wrong this whole time yes oh my goodness um for me to say not the magic spell no update on that no movement oh Norm this one's yours the next one discussion on docs completely not completely removed from the lake I think we waited for you to come back to talk about this more the only one that we had res no resolution on was the one from Frank girl whatever happened with his well his his was not removed at all but this one is the docs not completely removed so still Docs like semi in the lake oh okay and there's no update on Gill he hasn't gotten back to me nothing I think just you know time to start the F oh I me that's part that's what we're supposed to do think we should just do it are you guys going to vote on that or Well we'd have to decide from when to when yeah that's now it's a new season right you know I would not be redoing this doc until something happens so there's some kind of resolution I sell did he just sell his house I don't know did he I heard somebody say that he sell this house and he's done with us um took his Bieber Lodge and left somebody tell me that they're making it again the Beavers yeah that's what I heard I mentioned yeah yeah somebody told me that what's that be are back at it yeah it doesn't surprise me they're busy as beavers like the get lots of pizza cust I don't know I like it I don't know either are like people take that one off okay discussion okay okay y we take one off okay 107 South Luma Street possible Wetland violation nothing new on that excellent and then also the same on Sam West road1 I tried reaching out to Ryan and to the um is it Olsen or um Alexa Alex um they both get back to me they're ignoring me right now keep pushing them it's a busy season I know yeah I'm wondering if I should go out there and see if anything was done there's got to be tons of T supposed to do it before now yeah y to get a chance go take some pictures and and send it to him like look ammunition what's happening here okay and then other matters nothing that I'm aware of anybody want to add anything are we going to come back around the E Rising corner it seems like we were Sergey some stuff was maybe misrepresented like Randy Brown's involvement in that so they only Randy only had one conversation with the owner of eight Rising corner and and ran as far as the Pulver under the driveway that was for the driveway on the agam side from the southex side there's no approved driveway so Ry contacted him and said that he wasn't too pleased so that should how he interpreted their conversation hopefully he was going to be rocking her grassy whale would be nice for the better but anything to get the water without taking the sil yeah right that was his plan was also keep the water off the road well that's I think those dri Block in the water coms com on the road instead of draining where it normally should have been right he's changed the direction of travel for the water right oh yeah there was an incident on the road when it iced up last year and a woman had an accident from what I understand oh mhm so that right where the car rail was the ice was about that thick and driving through there You' try to stay tight to the guard rail and you get bucked back sou itself yeah right down in the bottom the guard rails there with the stream go under the road and yeah it was insane get that little bump and F will be addressing that I think he was aware of it and he was very concerned that it happened and he wanted to do something about it you know in his defense I think he was he seemed pretty genuine but the the owner of the property kind of let us believe that Randy was like at the Forefront of re-engineering the whole thing and laying the Rock and digging the pit let's do this let's do that well he should be telling the guy what to do because that's you know ining right that was ry's push back was I really didn't have anything to do with that from what I saw might have just been a suggestion or something I can't imagine that Randy told me to Big a trench and run the water down the road yeah well you could have I mean it's it's not a trench it's a Swale they did that on the other side going for South which is a mess now that's even just as bad as the all dug up so they need to get out there and do who's gonna go to the town meeting tomorrow night aren't you Dennis Chris is gonna be representing us okay great I have the papers right here with me CPC Duty oh okay um cpcn conservation so whatever Dennis Rising Corner ises that kind of come back to us my concern is if we don't get this solved by next winter we might have some liability time well as far conservation conservation does and on the sou side I don't think that really silk gets into our Wetland yeah that's it's all random all random okay um I have a question um is anybody good with zoom or can work Zoom um Jean said that she wasn't going to make it today and then I almost got stung by a b so I almost was sent to the hospital so that got me thinking no one is a backup would anybody be willing to be a backup in case myself or Jean can't I'll be glad to be trained because we've had that problem at LMC right okay but you got to get put on the the list right be able yeah I no you would have to probably have a user account you have a user account no you're you are station has user my station this spot right here so when you plug in no I sign in myself I have a user account right now with my have to be assigned user accounts originally when we first did the zoom thing I did get a user account because you can't share your screen or do anything unless you have a user account and they only without the user account I like a personal account would only last you could do a 45 minute meeting not enough Doug M took care of all that for right that was Doug brought that all on board I believe at the time there were only maybe 30 accounts or something like that but there was another um bump up from there which went right to like 99 accounts so I think that might be what happened I'm not sure I can check in get Norm on there to have a back up yeah yeah okay Norm stay busy just a reminder about the Memorial dayemi Day Parade we're all invited you may we got the hats you have the hats I will not be around but you are all welcome you didn't get your hat yet no where's my hat coverboard it's in the cupboard okay come on oh was a horri was in the desert I appreciate nice guy I'll read the letter to whom it may concern American Legion Post 338 BFW post 872 would like to invite you to participate in the Memorial Day Parade on 27 May 2024 parade will gather between 0915 and 0930 in the parking lot across the summerhouse at 535 College Highway South Lake Mass the parade the parade will proceed at 1,000 down the town green at the War Memorial following the service if the parade will proceed in vehicles the old Cemetery to lay wreath and continue the new Cemetery for a short service we'd be honored if you and or your group could join us in Remembering our country's military servicemen and women who have lost their lives serving our country at the conclusion of the service there will be a brief gathering at the American Legion for participants and their families please RSVP as soon as possible okay Monday the 22th correct to yeah it is yes there's no rain date thank you Sabrina you looking for motion yes I think a motion to adjourn second wow quick isn't he I go around the board Andy Andy I nor am I Chris Bry Jerry I um we actually I know you guys just adjourned but there was a question on the chat just now um Rick Divine says Rick Divine here any updates on my neighbor's doc being moved it has not been moved yet and there are rental spaces built did you want me respond to that no do you rejourn no all right