##VIDEO ID:bP9Jg-qOqDU## okay 7 o'clock on November 18th we call a meeting of the self Conservation Commission meeting to order this is an inperson and uh Zoom hyrid meeting first by taking attendance starting with Andy please Andy Ron nor CH Dennis Clark please note we have a quarum our first public hearing is is that scheduled for 705 or can we do that right now we can do it whenever we want for the rdas but if you want to do public comment thank you for reminding that are there any public comments for people in the audience anybody on Zoom have a public comment they like to share with us if we're talking 54 Berkshire I it's it's my residence so I'm here but no no comment besides what I submitted okay you want to do the minutes first or all right let's do the let's do the minutes first I've already made my changes and who else please no it's a a couple of things and request for certificate of compliance um I believe Andrew we abstained and didn't vote Yes on that am I correct about that um Crepes correct yes you obain on both of those the bond and the yes um can I just interrupt and say that Cliff Clark is requesting to record this meeting no that' be fine is anybody else recording to me not that I know okay okay we're approving that Cliff okay so that means that I have to thank you so that means the vote Yes is incorrect I incorrect it should say abstained obain abstained that means yes or no for Andrew okay all right and for what other if you wish to B and the uh there should be a sign in sheet right both both of the ones for 157 the first ones for the certificate second for the bond release you stay done another the other one is Noy 29204 22 306 Feeding Hills Road um been through the process of closing the earring and voting on it what is this again noy2 9204 22306 Feeding Hills Road yep it it doesn't have anything about closing the meeting on here voting on that it doesn't have anything about um you know voting on there was no motion mention there there's no motion there I don't I don't know on page four like to write what were the conditions order conditions I motion to and also there was a vote on the uh delineation was taken separately and was that done first or second I think that was done first wasn't it or I think it was done first yeah we we voted on approving intermittent stream at The Perennial stream actually intermittent to the facts that we had just waiting for the announce that's all but you want to just table the these minutes until she gets the proper yeah you in 306 306 Feeding Hills was approved on not last meeting but the meeting prior and so what this was we were still waiting on information the field notes so that's why there was no vote well there was a vote it was two votes two votes in conditions and one for the um status of the burn in stream in the meeting prior oh last meeting because let me see if I can bring it up in the email or was it the meeting before I think it was the meeting before I can open the previous minutes and show you you want it do you have it right there because I was just going to look through my emails and that's a hot mess could beak I can't number yeah because you guys signed you guys signed the order of conditions that I wrote up in the last meeting so this just because we just received the notes the field notes the field note yeah so okay we voted it to meeting beforeand at this last meeting I'm pretty sure uh but Julie could definitely look that up just so just so we have make sure that we're case it does get appeals so Chris made a motion to accept the order of conditions which that would actually correlate because I I wrote the order of conditions and showed it to you guys to sign that day but yeah Julie still double check yeah that makes sense W that's all I had there there was something that I messed up on when Julie had the second see saw nobody saw it what it was um the noi number for 141 uh kman Road I wrote 4,000 instead of 400 on the agenda so it's written on the agenda it's 4,000 and so that's why written as 4,000 so that was my fault and it's reflected somebody got to redo the whole thing now because it was is that yeah does that nullify the meeting I don't I don't think it it was advertised at the right address correct is that was for the certificate compliance so that's um I feel in general some of the notes are kind of short like for instance at Kevin's certificate of compliance and all of them I think some of the detail like the site visit was made we inspected and then we voted and approved you know it doesn't show any of the process important for that one too yeah just like what process did we go through a little bit okay btim you don't have to write everything this is good because she she's Secretary of four other four other groups so each each group has their own like preference that's the intent is to keep it on the highlights and just the you know je used to try to forbade him way too much information yeah the highlights but at at the same time it should tell a more complete story and then if you want to go get the details watch the zoom meeting but we but we made that vote after we made a site visit we did inspect this just looks like oh we brought it up and we approved it hearing okay okay was ending on the notes M okay so that vote was just on the order that already been approved pending your writing pending my wonderful writing abilities any other changes anybody would like to make to the minutes no sir motion to move mo i gu this has amended yes okay I'll second the motion Andy motion all those in favor Andy I Dennis i i m how do you vote Yes unanimous vote okay so we'll now go to our public hearing southw Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the massachusett Wetland protection act GLC 131 section 40 in the Southwood Conservation Commission regulation and B chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request of determination project location is 54 Brookshire AV the proposed project for the construction of the staircase and decking all work is within the 100 foot puffer zone of Lake C so we'll open up the public hearing to the petitioner who is online yes yes that is me Russell vanney um so tried to put everything in that um document that I could I think all the details there but um just looking for the deck as stated um we can look at yep I was gonna let him finish talking because it well the document yeah we I'm gonna put the document up while you're talking if you don't mind have a photo of Lake going on upstairs what I'm picture picture you know those new neighbors you're just so py always tough having a downstairs apartment I noticed in here that everything is an X feet from something else are we going to get real numbers that was one of my questions oh good job X feed where is that what number one on page two has three X's oh propos okay I see what you're saying on let me look I think those were oh okay so this picture um shows that number of feet I didn't update it um but that is it's 5 feet um from the house and then the proposed deck is you can see here eight feet in the part that's closest to the house from the neighbor's line and then six feet in the front um on the waterfront side from the neighbors line the primary positioning is based on um retaining walls on if you're looking at this photo so on the left side of the deck and then on the house side of the deck um that's that's its primary positioning points how far from how far from the lake is it please um so I would estimate there's about eight feet left from the front of the deck to the Waterfront so this actually says you just put a six in for one of the X's that says six feet from Waterfront I think you need to retype this says 8 feet from the neighbor's Beach but not from the neighbor's side property line and six feet from the Waterfront yeah the description is not correct he just said eight right so it's six that's six8 and six feet from side prop property line and then how many feet from the water line but this says it's 6 feet from waterf flow which I would no six feet is from neighbor's property oh yeah it says six feet from Waterfront in the neighbor's Beach and there is there a flood plan on the map no I don't know there is I can definitely let me use my oh there was an email think I already asked yes and I I would say that it's possible that the front corner so I estimated looking at the flood line that the it looks like the flood line is about 20 feet from the house and I would say based on the dimensions the front corner so furthest Corner closest is about 21 ft from the house so I would say there's possible foot overlap in that front corner sure let me get that layer and St data right so we've got blue so so that's where the flood zone is right here on the map and then if we look got a [Music] plan right there oh yeah this is 1 in is 35 ft scale is it on this one just maybe just clipping it right around in here everything's going to be on heal is that the proposal yes yep the Helo piles yep so that would negate the issue of flood plane okay I have a photo of the house from from the lake you might want to see okay um did you try to share oh maybe I should stop sharing so we wouldn't bite the sharing you can probably try it now just okay can you see that oh perfect yep that's the house right yep okay and so it would the staircase you're seeing now that would be replaced um and you can kind of see so the back is yeah you can see the dimensions that are um or at least the starting point for the deck in those Corners kind of it starts from that where that staircase is now so the new stairs would land on the new deck no the stairs will be replaced correct the stairs are going to be replaced with new stairs are the new stairs going to land on top of the new deck yes when you step on the and then walk to the day second page that's a little more detail you have it in your packet yeah the dimensions that the um their contractor has shows the see the the retaining wall in that picture and then you can see there's three steps down to one deck and then another step down to the lower deck the last the last page in your pocket so the the the decks will be touching the white retaining wall correct yes yep possibly get the correct um dimensions on on this and roll down so it looks like oh sorry no go ahead I was just gonna ask so the dimension that you guys are looking for updated I know I have x's in there so you're looking for I just want to figure I I think I have all the de so we have the the X feet from the house so I guess what I'm asking sorry are you looking for the form to be updated to the dimensions we're talking about or is there a dimension you feel that you don't know right now anything with an x on it need needs to have a number okay so you want the form update so the numbers com we're talking well we I think we can do that right here as we speak right yeah because I just I just yeah write it and the that fourth line just needs to be neighbor is Beach how far away X feet is how many feet 8 feet so it's eight it well at the up by the white wall it's 8T from the property line then it's six feet from the property line but he's got the word Waterfront in there six feet from the Waterfront it just say six feet from property line and it's approximately 8 feet from so yeah it's six feet from the property line closest point and it's did you say it's 8 feet from the water line that's correct yeah an 8T from the water line back and that's based on just so we know that's based on me taking a tape measure um and based on the water at the time so it's probably closer to the mean it's probably me like it's from the retaining wall am I right that's the way no the the retaining wall by the house is it's buttered up against that right it comes out yeah it extends and it's 16 ft up off raining towards the water towards the water right that's that's on the high end and then the low end is 10 ft out of the and then they're connecting with a step down right 16 ft from the 10 ft so there's only like a tiny little spot of actual Beach if you want to call it that well they'll be it'll be 8 ft here and then you'll have 14 ft here here in theory right you get 8 ft there right right yeah if it helps for a visual if you go back to that photo of the house um it cuts there was a um there's a stone fire place sort of thing um fire pit and it cuts that in about half so if you're looking at that it will not go beyond that it cuts that uh in half yeah so that right there that the chairs are around halfway to the pit is that what you saying halfway through the pit through the pit between those two blue chairs in the middle yeah yeah so the 16 foot part of the deck kind of cuts that in half um so if you're trying to think of like how much is left there's still all that space between essentially the the fire pit all those rocks and there's a little beach there kind of equipment are you going to need to get down there to do the work um so I'd have to defer my cont tractor um the the majority of the the only like true bigger equipment that's needed is the equipment needed for the helical piles um and I don't know the answer offand on that I know that access isn't very easy um and he knows that stairway access only for this house so I've already talked to my neighbor about it and if we need access just for the helical piles he's okay with that and the neighbor of budding so if you're look at this photo on the left he's the the last house on that road that's White Street is I mean I've seen hels done with just a handheld machine that goes on top but then I've seen it done where a a bobcat comes in and does it so like that would make a difference you know it's a I don't know how you get a bobcat down there honestly but yeah I would say that he's going to go with the handheld then because yeah the Bobcat might be I could get a bobcat to the lawn but um not down to what about what about erosion control I'm looking for to see where that is on the on the plan um I wouldn't So based on that what's the concern um or how how would that be best be addressed I guess based on the concern that you're outlining need to have uh hay bales and silk fence on the plan to make sure Ure nothing goes into the resource area people have to limit of work area oh okay during the construction you're working Lake you need to have some kind of barrier sultation barrier up there sence hay bals most likely both yeah okay I will talk to my contractor about but I'm not going to I'm not going to act like I I already have talked to him about it a question of the committee uh about setbacks right I was going to mention that he probably would want it well set back for talk to put a building on you got a 10 foot of the neighbor's property line is that qu does a deck qualify as a building because it's 6 to8 feet away from the property that's up to the building department I guess yeah right so I would def talk with Kyle the building yeah in the building department Kyle Scott see the problem here is this there's no order conditions going on here there are conditions you can write on there but really hard to enforce them if he had it has it on the plan showing Sil fence and hay bals and doesn't have them up there then we've got to you know say okay you're in violation but it's not on the plan and we write on there right I mean you could you could put it you could put it in there so depends you guys I don't want to be stickler but I think I think when he has everything done right exactly come back everybody feels right so so just update we feel good in theory B where go um because this plan doesn't really indicate any of that here okay um so it becomes a real gray area as far as where we want them where they ought to be all of that I think it should be redone and then come back back yeah that be my call on and in the meantime a call to Kyle Scott to make sure right you can put it 8 ft or six feet from your neighbor without a variance there might be a required 10 foot setback which is not our department no yeah we don't have any jurisdiction over there we could approve this and then the next guy's gonna say no you can't do it yesly yeah let's have everything be cleaner to do it that way right have everything yeah so for 54 I agree with you guys you know so close to the water and everything and then not sure about what kind of equipment equipment and erosion control yeah yeah erion control equipment normally these things would require a notice of intent but if you can convince the commission that you're going to do it in proper manner there's not going to be any impact whatsoever to a resource area is possible that they could that you do under a request for determination the dimensions all make sense okay um so would the applicant request a continuance for this yeah technically you don't do continuances for requests but we do anyway okay okay if you can get it in for December 2nd let not far away for yeah yeah our next meeting is December 2nd um Russell I think you should be I can yeah as long as um you guys think so the I I can navigate everything that I'm confident about except for based on your experience do you think I can get a response from Kyle Scott in two weeks oh yeah okay soon as he picks up the phone pretty much you'll know okay perfect then yeah I'm I'm confident if um I can put on the agenda for December 2nd I'll I'll be here um with updated documents I can I can send him a digital copy of the request motion continue motion to continue please make a motion approve the continuance second by m all in favor Den I nor I unanimous vote to continue to December second also one other thing on here it says 2 by8 beams but on the other page it said 2 by10 cut down to 9 in for consistency this over here special not says 2 by8 um special notes your worth Order Plan yeah the dexs piece of paper yeah I'm looking at it sorry I'm just trying to see if very bottom it says 2 by8 where was it that it said 2 by 10 cut down to nine oh okay I will figure out which one you decided on and update that too just so you know what you're getting yeah you could would you consider shuffling around the agenda a little bit so we get Mr which one we want to take what's that Johnson a the request for John I didn't recognize you sorry it's been a while yeah application for variance 52 Lake M Street okay yes John yes all right that you have his request and I also printed out the plans um that were submitted with the original order of conditions I also have his file too if we want to look at his file okay so we have two sets of docks one over the wetlands and one one in the water right yeah one goes over the wetlands and ramps down to the water right and this is commission for which one well the one that goes over the wetlands is permanent that's that's in the an yeah okay so keep the one water the one that goes over the water that goes out to the end that would be the one it's on the Water Edge so it's what foot off the wire and you you're saying you can't get it out oh I can get it out it it make a mess it doesn't make a mess it makes a real mess now and the I know the concern is that the ice shits around yes that's been in there for the last few years even in even in the heaviest ice which it was quite a few years ago it was in there the nice thing about the shore master is the aluminum even if it's frozen it's like unfrozen around the legs kidding yeah because the the sun actually keeps it warm it keeps it warm enough yeah so I've never had any issues with any any shifting right this a roller dock or no no no it's on it's on um it's on the on the feet y so it's a rectang PL you put cones out there in the winter to yeah I got a picture of the cones yeah I put full siiz traffic cones around the corner yeah and I have the reflective tape on the things but it's in the Cove yeah so it's really out of the way pretty shallow there that's real shallow there yeah you got stuck out there oh did you chance you could put solar lights on too I could do whatever you want sure yeah I don't have problem solar light that reflected taste sometimes wears yeah their phones are late you know um they're fullsize traffic phones but I can put I can put Solo light there yeah I believe that he put that do out there by himself and I would have bet money that that could have never never happened yeah and I've been putting it in and taking it out but it's you you got to drag it and Terps and everything yeah so we need a motion on this and well first any the discussion he none we'll have a motion make a motion to approve the variance Andy that's with solar lights cones and reflective tape yeah correct I'll so I'll add I'll add a light on each Corner okay beautiful very good John any speciic type of lighter color any special color I know the ones well it's just me but I I drive by um the gem Marina 141 Conan I like them because they're nice and THM yeah I have the one that has like the little orange flame it was great no they're really nice until my daughter took the other one out so I always had two on the corners yeah but it got toasted so with their kayak so uh their kayak it off well yeah getting in out the important thing is if the if it freezes over and it's a snowmobile and they just have to know there's something there smash John and another totally different note sure were you the one that got the uh GIC Road did you get that I did okay so John got his property it used to be Li way and he went der der Road and he got that added on like everybody else needs to do or should do to make it clean right wasn't that you have to spend I think it was like $1,500 yeah you have to go through I went through LEC so they because it's a derel road my neighbor did the same thing so if you look at the end of Lake Master Street both Parcels consume LLY way and Lakemont but my neighbor next to me had didn't have it done that Miller it had done Miller didn't Miller didn't and then and then you know Marty gorens yeah okay he never had it done either they should though well that's GNA be a problem for him he's got he's got some stuff on Miller land so oh all right well you get the information from John how he had it done and we can yeah you want to how do you want to do that you want can you send an email to Sabrina sure on the process you did and I'd be interested to know how long how long time it took for it to happen it's pretty quick it's as long as the guys come out and Survey it yeah it's up to this and then once they do that they then you got to record it into the okay you know into the Deeds okay so and then uh and then it's as you saw the town Maps now yeah very clear it's perfect yeah so thank you you really want to encourage people to do that yes oh good yes I thought you guys were going to discourage people from doing that that was Dick reel's because he wanted to save that for the else yeah yeah but I don't know they still can even if he won't they still put a sword through there it will end a lot of arguments yeah would it would be nice the bigger issue is that like their docks aren't on their property they're not right so technically they're not supposed to have the do right so it gets to that it'll that'll work all the way over until you get to the um at the end of summer where Northeast Land Development yeah that's a different it's a different different game yeah I'll email thank you very much appreciate you coming down thanks again you John I'll email you Jeff all right 50 more looking for it here it's request for certificate of compliance 292 416 forly 72a Mort binding Now 50 Mort Bing $10,000 Bond release request okay why don't you come up we'll take that item now so did post about yes did did we already vote on the project has started yet no no a different one this it must be a different one um this is the house that was art panel's property rightel and then he took art pel's property and then cut off a lot on the corner oh I don't remember that it [Music] was towards the top end of it tell you where you it is the top end this is it was part of 72 Mor vings oh and it's just north of the subdivision land um so the house has been put in everything is pretty much buttoned up you've been out there Saina yes good to go um so I do have some notes for you guys um this is my site visit notes what do we say there are some areas where grass is yet to be established um erosion controls have already been removed without prior permission from the commission underground down spouts are installed and come out of the ground at the 50ft buffer Boulders installed at 50ft buffer um but there's no way to know where the 25 foot buffer line is for the no mo designated area let me just get my ducks in a roll right here I did speak to Val about that he's going to put a sign in signs in at the 25 okay yeah all right and then he was going to mow the on there in between after you got the signs in remember right yeah so you have the 50 Foot buffer and then the and the inner 50 foot buffer limit and then the 25 foot and right there it's it's Mo annual and then the 25 foot to the Wetland that's a Nomo area but in the order of conditions it wasn't really specified as to how to designate it so they came up with a solution to put a sign um and yeah so there were some areas where the grass has not been establish it's you know there's a drought so um there is grass seed it's been spread out um I do have pictures if you want me to I would leave it up to your judg at this point if I haven't seen it you have if you want for the most part interesting cave out on the grass it's illegal to water the grass on drought but you need to have grass to get your order um I think right now with the drought it's not it's not banned to establish new um new grass I think that's unless they made it more strict um because I know you can like you can water your vegetable garden any any like planting that you were trying to you know establish um I'm pretty sure you can plant that as well or water that as wellable signs of any erosion anywhere happening going into the wetlands or towards no not into the wetlands I think my my something the thing that really like poked out was the down spouts they're like I so you got the down spouts they go into the ground but then you've got the the U I don't know the PBC plastic piping or whatever it comes out of the ground and then it goes into the 50 Foot okay so what did it call for in the order conditions it didn't mention anything didn't mention anything nothing it was a septic plan that we approved so I guess we got no say so in no say it didn't should be clean water right coming the roof yes and I feel the the way that he does have it set up it's it's at the 50 Foot perimeter yeah and it's going to go into a well vegetated area that is the only concern would be that it's not sheet spread then it could that's the thing is if we get all these big rainstorms and then you've got this one point source coming in is it going to start to erad that area in the 50 Foot it's nice vegetated now but I don't know if future to make sure we include that order conditions I have what is it do you guys want to see pictures I do have pictur I hope so request for certificate of compliance let me just there're zo musum that crage you got a surveyor on your team yes we believe so I'm not really familiar with what it is is it like a paper Street or something that has to be yeah yeah Steve you gotta be surveyor Sur Ste Steve is surveyor right yes he's licensed yeah um let's just do a little photo slideshow uh this is the front I believe this is outside of the buffer but this is just shows some of the areas like you can see the grass SE down here um but it's it's coming through some of it yeah some of it this is probably the worst out of all of it um this is where the septic is here this is um one of the boulders some of the boulders are um significant very very significant you can see right here this is the inner 50 it's and you know left alone and then this is some of the grass that's right next to the inner 50 that um you know has yet to to be established and this is some of the down spout right here and this is just an image of you have the the down spout coming in into the ground and then it comes out over in this area so we're trying to get a standard on those signage that we talking about mm we should probably work with these guys on you know coming up with a standard what we're going to use for all our buffer areas Jeff well that's what they're going to put out there correct it's signage signage for the no MO area the no MO area yeah so that would be different than than the plaque I mean um yeah because you guys asked for uh some other verbiage it was and I have it I have I have some orders of conditions that you guys need to sign tonight um it was like uh Wetland buffer zone um do not mow Beyond this point or or something do not disturb be on this point metal posts or we could we could do it as metal posts um the sign that um Kevin Sak had for the conservation about that size those were huge maybe half the beauty of the natural land and just destroyed [Music] it I think the content was okay the size was a little were walking we not driving I thought the signs were like weren't size or were they bigger at Kevin solx place no they were they're like Street size 12 by 16 something else 11 is a fine this is what I was thinking yeah that's fine that b yeah um yeah here's just another Downs spout and you see like so I would be concerned about you know erosion and everything there but I mean it was like Dennis say it wasn't really specified um I I talk to now about putting some Cobble siiz Stone at each of those Outlets just to break it down so we don't get any sheet flow that would be yeah that would be good because I don't think the new would want that um POS possible erosion to happen um up yeah it maybe round it maybe rip wrap type Stone but small Stone just have to break up the flow the flow yep yep okay yep and that's big boulder right there if Kevin signs were in these photos you'd see him yeah hug yeah all righty so do we have a motion I'll make a motion to approve it with the stipulations that have been discussed second enough $10,000 Bond need release bond to you both one vote sir Andy ey we got sure we have a second did you second second Andy's ey nor I good I unanimous vote very good thank you very much and the release yeah so the motion was to approve the certificate of compliance and release of $110,000 on a second note uh Noble Ste there's not really any significant updates on that so we're just kind of working on some details okay hopefully by December 2nd we will have some okay that's our plan all right thank you Jeff thank you folks you hey everybody have nice Thanksgiving yeah you moving on to order of condition extension for 125 P we do have I believe it's on line AR Ry Ryan or I think it was Rob actually yeah Rob's coming is coming on in a couple minutes he just had to log off he was at a daughter's award ceremony he's coming back on okay let's do order of conditions of 42 Depot Street then so sorry so sorry it was depal 42 Depot Street um 125 she Pasture Road nobody is here for that um but I can I guess just speak for sure them and there's a there's a letter yeah there you a letter in you we got a letter request um that is Jay girkin um I'll read it into the meeting um this letter is in reference to D 2923 91 request for extension please this is for 125 sheet Pasture Road the cost of Labor and materials has more than doubled since the permit was issued on top of this my health isn't hasn't been uh too great either if you could grant me some more time to get through this hardship I would appreciate it greatly what do you think yeah has he started project yet I don't know what is the project so this project was um prior to you prior to me um I have the file here I don't went to all the meeting okay sorry if you remember my an address so there's no there was no bond for this one technically project has to have started to be able to WR an extension on it hasn't done anything nothing I don't know they didn't specify in their letter okay so what I did was I saw um some projects that were about to expire and I just wrote them a letter saying like if you know you need to request a you know an extension or certif on that one I think Rob is in the waiting queue do you want to let we might as well table this one until we find out if they started the project or so Philip grael I think that's AR back it was a proposed single family home in 125 sheep Pasture Road oh do you want me to contact them and ask I thought they were gonna come to this meeting ask them to yeah he's here for 42 yes let's contact them find out if they've started have them come in too y okay what's the definition of like clearing the land or putting the foundation stting so they can hurry up and get started before the expires and then we want to continue this to the next meeting have a motion to table do we have to vote on moot table Mo I'll make a motion to table 125 second a motion to table call unan vote to table this to the next meeting now we'll go back to the requests for additions extension for 42 Depot Street positioner online uh good evening Mr chairman Rob Le can you hear me yes can thank you uh Rob Le from Mar Le associates also on the line remotely is depal you might be able to see um depal can you say hello yes hi everyone hello Mr chairman hello the board hello so we are here this evening repres presenting uh 42 Depot Street we are requesting uh an extension to the order of conditions that was issued specifically there was an order of conditions issued for a condominium Community to be constructed within the subject property um this was permitted a few years ago the proponent at the time was I believe it was like something like rightand Clyde LLC or something to that effect essentially it was John pagero and a gentleman named Clyde who um had pursued the project at that time has since been conveyed um to depal who will be constructing the project he started meeting uh with our office on comp uh preconstruction compliance issues uh as well as uh you know uh coordinating stake out for silt fence and uh in preparation for a pre-construction meeting so uh we are here to respectfully request a an extension of the order of conditions this is a rather large condo project so this will will take a number of years to complete so we would be uh expect to be before you with periodic updates uh as well as potentially an exist uh I'm sorry a future request for extension um which would likely be uh in three years time there are a number of condo units so it will likely take multiple phases to complete the project be happy to answer any questions you may have or depal again is here to answer any questions you may have as well thank you have any questions um was the original order of conditions ever reported at the registry of deeds it was so I uh you will see in your email that we forwarded you the original book and Page um along well I'm sorry the the original recorded document with the book and page so you do have that that was sent uh this afternoon but it was it was originally recorded by by the uh the first first proponent all right and then the $50,000 Bond um was never posted for this and uh don't believe this project was has started uh the project uh is just uh just started recently uh Deal's been coordinating with the building department with regard to the project as far as land disturbance though no that is correct the project has not started yet and Miss po chime in to that uh we we I reached out to our bond company that regularly post bonds for us uh they need um I sent out an email to on Friday we need a they need a um a Town's bond form which is specific to Southwick if you could send that then we can probably get Bond posted as early in next couple of days or a week I will will pour that off to Jess Our Town Treasurer she's the one that deals with the bonds and I'll make sure that you're C on that thank you I don't have if I remember correctly there's going to be an extensive amount of Earth removal in this project correct uh that there is definitely a significant amount of earth work that is correct yes and when do you plan on starting with the earth work um sorry go ahead sure sure Rob in so right now uh we plan to start artw work sometime in the winter time uh We've approached um the township uh Mr Scott's office very helpful we're getting uh the demo permit issued pretty much in next week or so uh there's a couple of conditions that are being met right now for aesta survey and everything so that'll be done and um we should begin very shortly so we'll remove the the the houses and the sheds and then the tree clearing and then the earthwork will begin right after that so our plan is to get um uh first few houses or first platform in uh the foundation in by hopefully before summer so you are going to be able to actually start the project before this order of conditions expires this order of conditions I think will expire three days I think yeah get out there pretty quick let me double check thatch project has never started technically we're not allowed to issue an extension on project that has not started expires on the 21st of December has no constuction site visit no bond posted no technically this project is not started and it won't start until bond is posted in preconstruction sit as it's done yep so by December 21st if if they if they've got some Sil fencing in is that considered the project is started so just to clarify for the commission I'm not aware of that requirement regarding the project starting certainly we they would be required to get an extension before the uh expiration of the order but the project um many cases we get extensions for projects that have not started um there is a requirement um in the the planning board their decision as a requirement for it to start but an order of conditions typically does not have U other than the expiration does not have a required start date that answer that then know why I thought that but for it's probably you're honestly you're probably thinking of the there is a planning board condition to that effect essentially says that if the project is not started within a certain number of years it's you know it's arguably not in effect um zba filings have that similar um and um yeah but yeah so um either way they they they should and need to start and want to start um and all of the prerequisites that you mentioned that is accurate right so the the bond has not been um uh posted but again you that's pre- construction requirement um so we're making sure that depal is aware of those items he certainly wants to start out on the right foot again he is not the original proponent but he is you know trying to start out on the right foot so those preconstruction requirements definitely we want to make sure happen in the right order make sure sure Sabrina has everything commission has everything that they need and then you know be prepared to start construction once those have been met and not before y okay for motion any other discussion make a motion I'll make a motion to approve an extension threeyear extension then they're get busy checking off the boxes getting everything done the bond the preconstruction site visit second okay any further discussion Andy I Andy votes I li I nor iide unanimous vote the extension for three years has been granted for three years three years thanks guys we appreciate it very much and we'll make sure depal and uh our office work together on getting you what you need for compliance thank you thank you everyone thank you so much thank you bye bye bye bye anybody else online anything that's on the agenda like no 32 Beach Road table at the last meeting table at the last meeting they said that they were going to get me stuff I haven't gotten it yet so I don't know if you want to keep tbling it or just deny it deny it for a lack of information and ask them to come back when they have it you think like I mean I'm tired of looking at it on the agenda but that's just me I don't think it would hurt leave it on the agenda leave it on the agenda okay okay leave it on the agenda I thought you were he I can move it to Old business okay anything new on the outfall of Baker shore on South Pond Road uh you guys have a copy of the letter that I um gave to the select board members ni Parker n and Randy um so that's just the update from me they just got it either on Friday or this morning so okay it wasn't on their agenda I wouldn't think it would be on their agenda okay okay any update on the LMC request for resolution of the 1800 square foot dock issue we're going to send request for Town Council s song how we should handle that who was gonna write that request I had asked if you could do I'll have to check my notes again well I didn't do it even if I wanted to do it I didn't have time it's like it's just been a lot I flat out that's what to town okay request for CER certificate of compliance three South B Street request to reduce the bond amount I need to scretch that up um I think they actually just sold that property this past Friday we take any action yes update on 55 Sunnyside Road 56 Sunnyside Road um Mark Stinson had called me up and asked me what updates they were on that because he was originally the one who got the call from somebody I told him I have not had time to do any enforcement and then he said he would take it over I can I can only do so much good so he's doing that and I think he's also doing the um disturbance across the street as well okay de Tree on North Bond conservation property any update there yeah I I spoke briefly with um Nicole on this um so the state said that it was up to the neighbor to pay for the tree to come down however um that's what they say on property that they own state owned property they they say that this is not state-owned property they own the CR the town owns the CR so uh Nicole kind of needs to figure out the legality of who should be the one to pay for that tree work um so she's working on that so she's working on that yes I think she is all right 13 booksh have land donation any update there I was paid for um I submitted and um he supposed to be F next Frid okay so the bill has been submitted and hopefully they will get paid for the first portion of okay R amendments for the local permitting program with the state I have no update there to you okay on the Suffield lppp contract with to bring his help I got a uh some information back from Jason oh he responded no oh I responded you responded with information yes he does not have evidence that we can legally not have an outside resident really on that commission so other than that that's the only update I have I don't have his phone number maybe you can give me his phone number I don't think I have Jason's number either he doesn't answer my unil um um so part of this hold up is also because what the town had voted for in regards to members of the Conservation Commission being elected members a part of that record well being an elected member would mean that you are a resident of town so if that goes through then a portion of the membership would absolutely have to be a resident of town so that's partly why this is kind of like held in LM because we're waiting for I think the legislator to give us an answer on if we can change that to be conservation members elected or I don't know if it's three or four I can't remember I think it's three um but that's that's kind of what is being what the holdup is is State and their answer okay thank you uh update on this field concom meetings I was prepared to make a presentation and I was on the agenda for last Tuesday's meeting on our pamphlet that we approved asking for their endorsement the meeting was cancelled because lack of a quum y unfortunately we've lost the month in next meet meetings not until early December so I'm not sure we will make the mailing now in February okay okay Noble Ste request for extension order conditions we got an update from Jeff just moments ago right you guys have a copy of the letter it's the last sheet in your in your Xander realy norer he's not nor steeve we talking about s West Road other side of town wait what are you oh I sorry I just skipped right by that because there no updates I just yeah well I mean Jeff mentioned that during the meeting there were no updates for that one y um sorry now we have possible Wetland violation sandwich go I mean Jesse kind is related to this as well in a way um yeah you guys have a letter I don't know if we want to read it into to the meeting or sure okay who wants to be the narrator okay I'll do it um to Dennis Clark we property at 31 s West Road in regard in regard to the property at 31 Sam West Road Southwick after receiving a notice from the Conservation Commission of Southwick that we entered a Vernal pool I called surveyor Rob LEC and he confirmed that there was no vernal pools in that location however he did say that some sand and still had left our property and entered a wood line he suggested a burm along the top of the area we constructed one uh the length of the area he also suggested that we remove the sand and dirt that entered the wood line we we both thought heavy we both thought heavy equipment would be too much because we did not want to disturb the area anymore so we removed it with five gallon pales this was done earlier this year I've checked it several times since then and I've not seen any leaking of sand into that area thank you for your patience James alac Jr are they still going to build a burn though that that's where you and I walked that BM was up there yeah BM was up there but he he said we constructed one the length of the area fond right that's it I don't that's on his property or not that's a oral pool I know so it was I think this is a little misleading because there was a delineated Wetland out there that was disturbed by this I kept calling it a Vernal pool because I have some experience with pools and I very much believe that to be a Vernal pool but at the time it's just it's a wetland but it's still protected it you knower it's the same not certified it's the same protection the same protection anyway it's the same prote matter yeah so but anyway he said they put the BM up and they cleaned it out it's a done deal so we can just scratch it off to the weed it yeah yeah we did looked fine it sounded like what you said yeah so at least we have this to put in the file and then we have yeah and then we can scratch it off right yep something we can take off right died under other matters I have two from LMC number one they asked if conservation would consider using Code Red in catfield or in Southwick and whatever the it is in subfield they send out a message reminding water fund owners to remove their docs by December 1st don't we ask that every year or I don't believe via code red I don't I don't think we done by C read before there's no to charge for that or anything so why not that from the police department is that what is the code R explain that uh well it doesn't have to be the police department it come from the conservation department somebody has to record a message and get sent out via telephone or email or text for all three well you're not signed up if you signed up for it you get it and you can they I'm told you can Circle The Waterfront area right and they'll only and they'll only hit that that code for that Waterfront people I know we have asked them to do that several times before and it never got accomplished so okay and I mean I don't consider that abusing the service because that you know that's pay for it already doesn't cost it anymore and you know it's not frivolous so yeah it makes perfect sense to do that unless you want to have you know otherwise they have to go through and figure out who's on the lake and just call those numbers exclusively individually yeah but right cold R already has that already in the the databas right makes perfect sense to do that okay yeah so you said they have it in the data Bank to um filter out those who are lakefront property owners and call them that would be I would yeah that would be good yeah they that it would just go to take certain areas think townwide I think that would be the much I don't agree it shouldn't go to townwide but then we have to contact subfield they call they have a system as well have a system in place on to that's to request they doing as well so what do the LMC wants us to formally request us that of the select board or who would be I don't know who makes the decision I've never done a I've received a lot of cod red call but I I never initiated maybe could ask spish or I know Randy does it a lot I could ask Randy how to do it Randy yeah friendly I don't know if there's an approval oh the other thing from the other thing is this was as of last Thursday and I meant to check it today in the daylight and I didn't apologize for that but the old gillo Marina supposedly has not removed their docks I checked their chapter 991 license it doesn't say they can keep them in it doesn't say they have to remove them they've taken them out every year okay now the difference between the Grillo and 141 conoman road is 141 Conan Road hasn't fastened to the to to the base of the of of the lake okay and they have approval in their chapter 91 license to keep them in or keep some portion yeah he's working he's working on taking out the now Grillo Marina if he doesn't take him out and we do have ice out we have we have ice that one will crumble very quickly the state already told us that it's none of our business well that's the question it's it's not an lpp issue yeah okay but it's not December 1st yet it's not December 1st yet but our next meeting is December 2nd it's coming pretty quickly so where's the location for this the old uh 80 81 Point Road right next to the old from the BR and and I also been told that Jen from the old be is not taking hers out either got told I believe we were told in none of our business we're chapter 91 well she doesn't have a chapter 9 Jen does yeah well she's got a license but she doesn't but not permission from the town she a parking chapter 91 yeah so that's under the jurisdiction of some other out yeah yeah the Bieber lodges back that's right right oh it is wow we're not laughing not laughing take something off your plate I'll notify Chrissy okay about these two situations she wants to take action I think she's the one to told dick a head count how many beavers there's actually resident kont viewers you know it be interesting to find out have a number 50 beavers 20 beavers how many beavers are in there I know right when they're coming up across from the southern part of South Pond and eating the guy streets yeah exactly bringing them up all the way across that's a long way for be travel but I mean you know so they like to kind of congregate and hang in their immediate environment so just curious I wonder if anybody ever really took a survey to find out how many beavers there are I don't know and I don't know why they like that spot either I don't know because beavers like to damn things up that's right and that yeah we're lucky that they don't Dam up the channel might smell it and know my grandparents used to live here right right they're like a good piece of pizza how many just one thing under unanticipated business was that email we got from the D that really bothered me saying that you know first of all they said it wasn't the order conditions was a different date or something Sabrina yeah I've been doing it wrong so when he gets it is the date of issuance but I put the date you guys voted right so I put uh November 4th on the and that was when you guys signed it and I didn't send it out until last week and so there is and then when I sent it out he got it and that's the official date of issue is it the day you send a registered mail because how do you know when he gets it right well I you can't anticipate that order conditions I send it via email I just scan the document and send it off because I'm not I don't like the e- permitting thing I because the way the it's formatted it I don't like it so how long they have to appeal that he said I think 10 days 10 business days from the day he got it all right so that's expired by now right no no with 14 15 you said right so no it wouldn't I think he's got because you know we took a legitimate vote on a information that we had and then for them to send us a email saying it doesn't count anymore that doesn't sound fair legitimate or even legal to me the vote stands we're not resending it you know so yeah he thought so he was trying to contact me for a few days so according to them the date of receipt of the document in their office the date yeah the date not the day that we vote have to officially appeal that themselves right but that was a different decision that wasn't the order of conditions that was another decision that was made another Vault that was taken well the delineation delineation it's it's the order of conditions is basically based off of contingent on that being an intermittent stream right yeah because otherwise that was voted on it was approved and as far as I'm concerned it it stands don't deal for deal and I was like he can absolutely appeal I've never gone through an appeal so it's something to learn because we've done it like this forever and it is an intermittent stream and we know that for years it's been it's not even a question it's a formality for them to come back and say oh it doesn't count anymore even though it was a month ago or so but anyway I just wanted toing they accepted just about everything else that we ever sent them why this one soly get flagged right anything else under all will matter no but I don't want you guys to go away after you vote because I have two orders and conditions that I want you guys to review and sign okay so don't be you're going to take a motion to to Jour I'll make a motion to Jour and as there second I'll second the motion to J Dennis looked a little reluctant I want hang around for a condition of not leaving until we sign those I Andy ey hi and Norm I unanimous V we are at 8:23