meeting will come to order welcome everyone April 1st a little bit after 7 uh southw Conservation Commission meeting we are in hybrid here at the Town Hall um we're gonna introduce ourselves we'll start over here Dennis we can go around the circle Dennis Clark Andy Ren Norm Sher Chris Pratt Jerry Patria Kevin solar all right and welcome everyone else do we have anybody who has public comment tonight the crowd online okay we will start with our first RDA you have the U paper hearing notice thank you very much the south of Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the massachus we protection act General C 131 section 40 the south of Conservation Commission regulations byw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for requests for determination the project location is 34 eroy Drive proposed project is for removal and replacement of the concrete wall stairs and Patio in addition to the installation of a new paved paver walkway alongside the house a portion of the work is located within 100 ft of conoman Lake all right you guys can come on [Music] up um well thank everybody for their time uh my name is Richard zto Excuse me yes you introduce yourself and spell your name okay uh my name's Richard zto zto uh I work for the green machine as a design project manager uh my bachelor is in architecture and basically I've been working with Joe for um planning the replacement of these walls I don't know if if everybody's looked through the packet should I go through the whole packet in terms of well you can just give it a narrative of okay people can follow along you have pack so you just tell me what you want right scope of work yeah is that what you're looking at yeah so everybody's with the site location with the uh 34 air qu Drive um and then so basically the proposed work is there's an existing failing concrete wall so we're going to replace it with engineered block walls um and then replace con existing concrete stairs with um an exist an existing patio with Granite steps and new pavers you can expand the patio approximately 20 200 sare ft installation a new walkway from the patio to the driveway um so the uh existing wall is approximately 24 ft long by six feet tall we're going to replace it with two new block walls uh approximately 3 feet to separate them the second wall will be further from the from the water the First wall will be in the existing footprint of the um wall basically um follow all Standard Building um techniques you know remove subsoils in inst insulation of 3/4 inch Trap Rock B for the base and Behind the Walls other materials on site would would include fabric geogrid drainage pipe and then any other U manufacturer specifications on the next page three shows the existing site um and like I had stated where the First new wall will be um where the uh existing wall is and on that date when I measured where the existing water line was the existing wall is approximately 28 and a half ft away from the water line and then weo we plenty of room to set up our silt fence approximately 10 ft from the actual water line just the next couple pages are just kind of really showing how the uh walls failing that's very late never mind um so that and then um so you have two more two more cracks here and just you know any day with vegetation pushing it just making it worse worse every year same thing page seven just really seeing how it's Bo out now there just another closeup of How It's pretty much starting to lean forward and then this is kind of an example of a double wall we did in Simsbury Connecticut um and then that's what the granite steps look like the um this project will be a little different but it kind of gives you an idea there will be a planting bed in between the two walls won't be a flat grade like this existing there will actually be a little there'll be a slope to it but um gives it kind of a good generalization and then the next page just showing kind of like how the patio looks on top and then sometimes um just I we have to turn the walls on page 11 is just showing the existing patio on site um which is 324 square feet um it's basically the same thing where we'll use standard building practices removing approximately 12 inches of subsoils and then in and then um small process compacting that stone dust and the pav um the proposed to expand approximately 10 ft by 20 ft so it' be 200 ft bigger and then also a 55 foot um long by 42 foot 42 inch wide uh walk path from the P patio to the driveway uh the existing papers that are on site are planned to be used for the actual walkway so they won't be new papers okay and then on page 11 kind of just the um showing where the uh where the new papers will be and then you can kind of see on that one where the corner of the existing wall is so you imagine the new wall and then approximately 3 feet back will be where the uh second wall is where the patio ends then you'll still have a a planting bed in between then just kind of a generalization of the uh the path that will come off the corner of the house and then go to the uh existing driveway area just another picture of a kind of the walkway similar pavers of what the walkway would look like I don't if I have this piure page 14 one more down this is 14 15 okay this one actually I might have uh taken this one actually old PR I think I didn't find it significant enough so I removed it from the general the the general pack um yeah so then um so narrative basically the granite steps um 16 4ot wide by 13inch Deep by 7 inch rise uh Riser Granite steps will be installed same thing with the um following manufacturer specifications for um installing with the removal of the subsoils and then using uh small P small process and compacting that stone dust uh picture one is the existing stairs and then picture two is the um just an example of Grant steps that green machine installed on middle Pond page page 17 is the uh site map kind of showing where the existing patio is existing deck the new the uh new footprint of the uh patio stairs and then the walls and then where the walkway will go and then noting where the silt fence is installed included um on page 18 is just a list of the equipment that we used showing our medium siiz excavator uh is under 8,000 uh pounds mini excavators around 3500 lb uh little um track machine again around 7500 lb and then our mini uh loader is at just over 6,800 lb just shown that they're all small equipment under 10,000 pounds so it's not really heavy machinery and then just the specifications of the silt fence that we typically use and then the last couple pictures or of uh jobs that we've done on middle Pond showing the metal stairs that the homeowner had and then this was like a complete site overhaul working with the uh town of subfield and the granite steps in the wall block and I don't know where I am now next page one yeah yeah right okay the grand steps and then another project on South Pond basically 21 of actually my numbers Yeah so basically just the total site renovation walls Granite steps this was Landscaping too installation and the next page shown the uh just the bank and the um and then the granite steps how they when they were installed and then the next one is a uh project in Middle pond on the Southwick side in birkar we did the seaw wall installation the grand steps into the water the flagstone patio the sad and then we did the base for the actual wall blocks but the homeowner found these walls were prefabbed out of a company out of outside Boston on the old house and so we actually were hired to carry them down they didn't want to carry them down but their guys did all the shimming on the base materials that we installed and then another one where they these basically Tire filled concrete steps going down to the water we remove those and then install Granite steps going down and then one more seaw wall that we did in North Pond where was that one North pound gu then if anybody has any questions um this is you're working in the flood plane is that what it says down here yeah flood plane map the flood plane map is it legal to do work in a flood plane without a notice of a 10 well it's a resource area right so I did put down um for performance standards so and as far as like Rd figuring out if an RDA would be a positive determination which and and then you would need to notice of in 10 it is written down that it's not located in the flood zone that would make all different that is there's no alteration either which made me but if it's in the flood plane it's in a resource area and it has to have notice of intent as far as we've always that's what I've always understood what we've always done is it actually in the flood plan we don't um he has the work right here in red I believe right yeah y everything this is a subject that I said would come up probably me when we were on the site the other day your brother was there yeah I had some travel delays I was working in a resource area well that it may be the commission may want most intense RDA make sure we don't have a choice in that matter what exactly is the notice of attent everything you got there except in a different form format you've done that before I have almost exactly what you have there form that issue order conditions and the bond and stuff like that now one of the things that I mentioned on the site was the location of the silk fence should go further to the left there because where you're bringing the equipment in yeah that lawn will give you not pretty fast so you're got to get yourself fence yeah cover that area but I agree it probably needs an most F John do you know you ever heard of anybody doing work in the blood plan under an RDA [Laughter] legally [Music] cases I think your information correct okay so you make a motion do find a positive find a positive come back with a intent but I mean that the plan seems like a sound plan we does anybody have any recommendations that they should F be filed in their n or do anything different very thorough good job just a different form a different form the state basically the state will review it just to make sure everything's in order oh so it goes through the state okay the bigger one it's not the they'll send us comments yeah and then we'll take those and consideration we'll let you you know know beforehand of course so then um so you can address certain issues if there are any I guess because it's what there's too much changing to existing is that why no it's just because of where it's located yeah you're not changing really anything no that's why yeah yeah so that's why that was the question at the beginning of do we think it does but yes be an RDA but the wall itself is what's in the flood plane the wall yeah just that one wall um where's the flood plane it looks like everything is in it this is the hundred year that whole gray area this whole blue all the way up to the end of the house yeah that's so the whole project is yeah oh yeah but I thought that was more because if you were affecting actual flood plane like if you're building a wall on the water I think if you're doing any work in the flood plane subject to flooding is what in I don't know you could those flood plane Maps might not be exactly correct but it's going to be in the flood plane where you're working so do that so and even though you're building out on your patio at the top you might have to show how much material you're adding to that elevation but you're also taking some away you're stepping the wall down so you might have some compensatory storage from doing that step down to the other wall yeah so that's a volume of material that you're adding to that flood plane but the whole thing I didn't realize the whole project was in the flood plane yeah I got that map like last week I updated 2012 the FL plan map so yeah that's off of the Southwick site the FEMA website was having issues last week or so you go on TR AA website was updated in 2013 so all right I guess so in terms of for next process it's just filling that those forms out with the state and then resubmitting them correct refile okay all right we have a motion motion to positive second okay all in favor I Chris Bratt I Jerry I I Matt say it out loud hi okay it's unanimous unanimous so it will have to be refiled we don't need a continuation I don't think because it's going to be filed under an noi right so okay and if we get comments back from D you'll find out ahead of time so you can address those issues yeah but keep in mind the amount of material going in and the amount of material coming out yeah all right all righty okay looks like a big project on preparation no looks like a good plan for me right thank you for your time thank you for your time okay there we got some new business do the minutes we didn't do them yet no they're in there we didn't do them yet we have a uh donation from citizens restoring Conan what's not from so this is asking do we want to donate money to Citizens restoring conand and how much we've been doing that previous years we definitely did it last year and I think you guys have done it previously like1 $100 so um if you want to vote on that well how is our budget right now Sabrina how is our budget right now is it looking healthy the end of the year here yes yes okay I'll make a motion to go forward with the donation what did we give last year 200 200 was it it was 100 no it's always been 100 100 100 make a motion for 100 okay all in favor Andy ey Chris Brad ey ey Jerry I Kevin I excellent you unanimous again okay we have a request for lpp Doc variants at 5258 Lakemont Street you guys have the what is it a request application in your folders you can just name address Johnson a 52 Lakemont Street all right so this is for John has an order conditions on the project it allows him to keep the bulk of the dock in we here tonight just for the the other part the end piece the piece of at the end of the dock yeah it's on the over the water yeah and you'd like to you'd like to keep that in yeah it it works the ice is not affecting it and it actually works out well because then I don't have to drag it through the vegetation it can stay there it's an aluminum Shor Master dock so it's never going to deteriorate other than the wood planking which I replace when it needs to be never Flo it away oh God no no no it's it's it sits on those legs those feet so but when you take it out you're you're dragging it through all the root system so I'd rather not do it it's um and it doesn't it's in that Cove so it doesn't really even come out that far even though it is a long dock right and um I put this I put the cones on the end see any issues with Norm it like see any issues with I don't think there's an issue I don't know if I saw reflect well there's tape and there's cones I mean the cones are off right now they're on the end they're on the other side of the dock now they don't need to be there now no long as they're there I don't think so yeah I put them right on the corners and I actually put reflective tape on the uh on on the main horizontal beam okay that is one of our stipulations that we can accept for U variance you know especially it's going to cause damage to vegetation every year is he G to has to reapply for the well it is a yearly application so yeah so I was confused on that because I thought it was like the tall do order conditions has you for good yeah that's that's that's all set right the end piece is a little bit different because that wasn't under the original order conditions um actually was end piece was yeah the whole thing was uh the order conditions was The Tall part it's 30 feet long goes up 6 feet over the vegetation Right comes down it's 100 foot long dock that was always part of it the thing is is taking the Tall part out we decided we'd leave it in there right but I thought and then the the short one I would try I would drag out every year but then we decided leave it in I thought it was forever like the tall one but I guess not so I was sure do we have the order conditions on that somewhere it is somewhere and I read it and I think it is just the Tall part that's permanent there was a variance put on The Tall part the order conditions was always to come out right and I would take it out and then the The Tall part we decided it was doing so much damage that we just leave it in there and then that was a variance was the variance that was yeah that's yeah that wasn't part of the original order of conditions so that's why I was thinking that this variance would would be permanent as well that's why I was thinking that that's that's why I never really apply now I've saved I've saved the application in my computer so yeah I mean I mean if you guys want it applied for every year I can do it it's not that hard to do we'll look into the legality of it because it's an lpp and lpp is a a yearly application um so we'll check which I do anyway yeah yeah we'll check into anyway whether St it's just another little piece of paper sure you know what I mean as far as I can see I don't have a problem with it you know what I mean but as far as if it if we can make it part of the original order well it's it's actually the the variance order because there's a variant yeah it wasn't part of the original one in that came in in 2001 or two that was a long time ago I remember I was yeah well dick dick was going to help me you know looked at the spacing of the planks and all that stuff at the time to let enough light get through we rather have you do it to get a chapter 91 permit and go through all that no I don't mind applying every year I just got to save in the computer now so it'll do it every year thanks for coming in all we have to vote on it yes so let's make a motion I'll make a motion to approve it second and third and Andy I nor I Chris pad ey I Jerry I I okay Dennis I I know it seems silly but I've been on commissions where people have made motions and then voted against it I guess you can do that but just to make it sure yeah very good all right thank you uh the one question I have is will I receive the the doc permit or stickers yeah because I haven't got anything in the mail yet I know you said Jean or maybe had to go through this send in your payment I didn't get anything in the mail for an application oh I think this is this is the one where we had jacquelene SP is oh know she was never part of that oh I know I don't know who Jack but like there is a mix up with the 5258 the address and we talked about it on Friday so you'll get your bill well that's fine I'll send it right in so yeah but after that process then we get your stickers okay also the applications are online too so if you don't get it you can just print that's how I do it I just go online yeah that's fine I'll do that I didn't realize it were okay yeah all right thank you thank you thank you John ni see you again Dennis there it is okay under old business we have partial requests for of compliance lot 17 Greens East subdivision is that the same one that was at the last meting I believe so we talked about the drainage and the what storm drain yeah saltation you want me to uh say my name and address please um did you sign yes okay thank you yep no problem uh Greg Hamlin 143 South longyard Road I'm the Builder over there Brian's down at the police chief uh interview so okay he told me to text him if we need him so just kind of listened to the last meeting met Sabrina out there showed her that we put up Sil fence fixed the laying down so fence went over the infiltration went over the catch base and stuff like that had Randy Brown out there to kind of get his input um started the process with a plan with Rob Randy Sabrina Rob was supposed to send an email I don't know if he did or not I was not cced on it so with the we got an email on yeah with the see on the back on the um everyone Rob's not here but this is Ryan from thank you okay welcome Ryan hello yeah so Rob did send a a summary letter to the commission I forget when it was I think Nina from our office was the one that sent it um explaining what had mentioned they had corrected the erosion issues on those um Upland lots that they've been working on um and Sabrina and I had looked at those issues as well um I know a couple other issues came up um one being the the Basin the storm water basins and obviously you know it's still an active project um crestf is aware of those issues we're aware of those issues and we're going to be working towards uh rectifying those it's most likely that the basins just have a thin layer of sediment that's prohibiting the infiltration um and then another issue that came up that Sabrina had brought to her attention was the original order of conditions for the subdivision project has expired um I had talked with crestw and I asked them well what what's prohibiting us from applying for a certificate of compliance for the whole project and they said that they still have some sidewalk work to do which is in the buffer zone which um goes over that stream Crossing area on this last phase of this roadway so um they still have some work to do in the buffer zone there's still some work to do in the basins um but obviously the order conditions has expired so so it was Rob's suggestion that um perhaps a way that we can close this out without having to go through a whole new notice of intent process would be through the issuance of a friendly enforcement order for that last remaining work and correct the basins um but the matter at hand here tonight for lot 17 that lot is outside of all buffer own jurisdiction and is very similar to the other 20 or so lots that have been given partial coc's up to this date how it look to you Sabrina they clean it up and yeah I have a picture even better right we used Armor All and everything I'm sure you did um so there is now a track pack track pad installed um the roads been cleaned up can see the curb you can see the curb now um over the catch basins you know better than me I think I've got a different photo showing it with mush shoes yeah so those are not functioning now so it'll catch the silk before catch but they'll let the wi open so that's done I'm happy with that um again for me I think the only issue now would be the functionality of those basins um you put that in the enforcement order or the uh friendly enforcement friendly enforcement friendly enforcement yeah make sure that those cat tails are taken out of there and that they're so not the Basin but detention B clean them out and it's supposed to be made so what I was explaining something like a lot of the a lot of construction development stuff like that they wait till the end to it because you're always going to get that little bit of sediment that gets in there so the maintenance ongoing maintenance when they're working properly yeah it's twice a year but what he mentioned us is you know uh uh regulation not regulation but standard practice on a new construction site would be right before the end clean them out get that layer that thin layer silt out and you know and then there'll be on the HOA for a regular maintenance program so that's what was explained us when we were out there you put down in the enforcement order the bond wouldn't be released until that's right that' be there's still a bond on the on the property for the whole development right with the punch list with Randy to sign off on the street when we when they turn the street over similar to the west side when we turn when they turned the street over to the west side it was a similar practice I get that and I I get that only what if it's not the sediment that's causing the issue how would we know well they still have to fix it no matter what they're going have go in there and suck all that siment out of those catch basins well the catch basins we did they did uh crestw did suck it out and there was like an inch or two in each of them so there wasn't that much sediment in the catch B Block the PIP it wasn't blocking the pipe it wasn't getting into the retention Pond or anything like that so the catch Basin was working as it should it was holding the sediment in the catch Basin and allowing the water to get out so I mean that part of it's working properly right they've been there for quite a few years maybe I don't know I'm not environmentalist or you know guy that does that but maybe The Cattails they've been there for a long time you know that it's not like it was when we started phase four those Cattails have been an issue over time so if you're good with it I don't have a problem issuing a certific comp partial certific compliance for and then you didn't work with Ryan on the friendly enforcement order okay you comfortable that yes comfortable hey makeing motion Dennis I'll make a motion to do what I just said okay I'll second it all in favor Andy I I Chris PR ey Jerry I okay all right thank you very much thanks for coming in appreciate it thanks everyone to thanks Ryan okay next on our agenda we have 5:30 Griffin Road lpp application variance review that's for the sorry I just took the rest of it the lot 17 partial certificate sign minutes I don't think I sign minutes we we didn't do them yet saving the best for last Denis can you share your screen uh um meaning you want to share the screen yes you want us to share this scre I like to share the screen how do I allow allow I know I've done oh wait I think I it share screen there we go go see if that worked [Music] now I'm not sure if every everybody got to get out for two site visits at 5:30 Griffin Road not sure if everybody saw sorry um from the pictures that we saw last week one of the things we learned and the site visit that's that the state line marker had actually been moved years ago when they put the drain pipe in uh in suffia so we were a little bit confused by the fact that everything looked skewed and it wasn't okay all right however there are no official boundary lines there that makes it very complex for people to decide where the lines are there's no current survey okay and I in my eyes the whole operation gets more complicated by the fact that we're asking to do a variance for an item that I don't believe we have authority to get Grant a variance I've reread the lpp multiple times I've reread the CMR 9.07 which the lpp comes from and I find three areas we can grant the variance the variance for Dock length a variance for keeping your docking in the winter time and a variance for uh less than 25 ft from your property line for your dock but only if there's not enough land you don't own enough land to to allow 25 ft on either side of of the of the dock so my con my confusion is do we have the authority to Grant variance however I think there's a solution do we have we have we have the Drury family is here do we have is Betty a online one of the neighbors she um I don't see her name but that might be owner there's someone called owner on here so I don't know who that is she said she was GNA Zoom so that might be her is the association here okay all right so I'm going to hand this out it's on the screen it's so it's a little and what I think can happen if the neighbors can come to an agreement we can be satisfied that there's an agreement and and if the neighbors are happy we're happy and then we don't have to Grant the parents we you pass I don't know if I get count can I ask one of the other Association members to get one of these yeah they're f arms get whoever wants one can you Nancy D 530 g Road thank you so we don't have any markers of where any of the property lines are there but we have two areas that are notable one is the actual pipe that comes down is near the near the state lines but maybe maybe or maybe not on the state Lin and that is on this map here as a runoff pipe and that's the pile of rocks right that's the pile of rocks M Okay then if you go south from there we have the brick wall that is brick wall of Betty aot's property okay is it the property line or not we do not know okay there's no marker there so if we allow Nancy jury to keep her boat and dock approximately where it was last last year okay to the left or Northeast of the of the pipeline and we asked the association to move their dock to the left or South approximately 24t from the runoff pipe that would put them approximately 14 feet from the brick wall okay and then if Betty aod agrees to to always have her docks 25 ft from the brick wall I think we have a safe navigation route for all parties okay and I think everybody would get what they need they can have their dock they can have their boats now I think that the association also needs to seriously consider the Deep waterer dok that will keep your dock from swaying left or right depending upon the way the wind blows and my eyes that if if if the wind came from the right angle and the right strength it could destroy your Dock and damage your boats and possibly boats of neighbors okay so I would highly recommend that that's part of this deal it's not all the expensive I think the actual kit is is $400 you might have to get pipe extensions I'm not sure but it's not overly expensive so right now you do a flotation on the outer part of the dock and and here it's a roller Dock and you have I believe you have some pipes halfway out that fit so if the if the in my eyes if the three parties involved can come to an agreement similar to this we're happy they're happy and no variance has to be granted because I don't think we have the authority to give the variance now I will say that select person Diane Gail disagrees with me on whether we have the variance Authority or not but that's I can't see it in there so that's my proposal a possible solution for this I think when I when I look at new share you go you have screen share still on changed yeah okay now this is a photo from August of 22 okay and uh I don't believe the association Doc is in the center there okay this is the year before you put it in and if you look at the brick wall here and come down here to the lake I think there's 25 ft to Betty aot's dock current dock huh current dock I current sure H your name The Association address to it please formalities we we did ask just one person from the association oh well that I don't understand how I think I have a question okay we let her I just have a question if I can be addressed because this initial thing that started with this was never voted by the Association I never knew We're not gonna hear any that's why we want to keep it to one person so yes Betty AOS her doc with my husband's information like when we bought our house her dog is actually in the association so I don't understand why she she should have to move it I don't know if people real your doc is in the association not mine I'm she saying that theying but we don't have any surveys or we're not here to hear that if you wanted to pursue that route you would need to get a survey done it would be a different hearing okay we do just want to have one person from the association speak so it doesn't get complicated where you finished or yeah I I just and I agree 100% with Norm I I think that's a great solution I think that uh you know you come up with something very good here at least for this season you know if they want to contest it for next season then can do that but do we want to think about modifying our variances so includes Ada in there can we check with the D to find out there's there's something in the lpp it talks about ADA it does but it doesn't talk about this this specific issue well I think that's up to discuss and have another category on there for situations cuz this isn't the first time we had we had that person over the The Sandbar that had those issues with a while ago okay a while ago well we certainly can look into that vice president of the association yes you said something about the property line it's not correct you cannot Define where they are I don't agree with that there's stre markers there they were surveyed by the state paperwork I give sub you got Marco one Marco 2 Marco 3 I personally ran a string for Marco 2 number three straight line to the lake this is true do was 26 in away from the property so it's not that we cannot Define a proper oh I think they did there so Mr scary I I think there's some disagreement whether your property line determination it's not a a real survey but there is also another visit where the St board from safield the police chief from Westfield from souck and Dian Gale DPW all went out there determined that that is not even close to where the property line is supposed to be so what you saying is the paperwork that got from the surveyor WR from what surveyor sa that paperwork to Mar he submitted it like from from a license surveyor or something that that's just I can get the file right now it's look at it yeah but I I think we've determined where we need to have pins a license surveyor it has to have pins in the ground or GPS or something you can't there should be GPS markers not a a string kind of kind of irregardless of where the are can I suggest something SM true moves about 10 ft old like a su justed dra from the beginning so she can clear the beach area everybody's happy no but she says no I do say no well that's why we don't want to have We're not gonna have a all we're deciding on today is what we're going to allow to happen out there if anybody disagrees with it they can file whatever they want to file but I think that this is a reasonable solution we talk to the Harbor Master we talked to the ppw The Neighbors on either side I believe you're happy with this this yeah this is fine so okay the one number that's missing on this is the distance from your dock to the to the pipe and just so that just so there's Clarity in the whole thing last year was basically right on right on the right on right it goes right to the pipe um it's yeah yeah I don't I don't go over the PIP in other words I don't go over pipe yeah right and we you know that we will have our boat floating on North side but is it the north side we're calling it The okay the north side we will not East I I agree this is a great solution but I see that as the only number me on the whole the pipe is in the ground that's a pin right now we can use and everybody agrees that that can't be on nothing the property because can get put there right so I think yeah would make a motion if you're looking for one sure may I speak who we have bet a oh okay we were asking for you earlier I know I'm sorry but I don't know how to put my picture on here but oh it's okay hear you may I I want to say this my docs are not on the association property if the association has to move their dock over toward my wall I'm going to have a hardship because my docks are 12 feet and 15 feet wide they're wooden and I have to bring them down on a forklift and I have to bring them down sideways so that's going to cause me a problem and I may not be able to put my docks in thirdly and not to offend anybody but um the deed for 530 Griffin Road says that the boundary is the Massachusetts boundary line and I have a documented statement from the state of Connecticut saying exactly where where the boundary line is and it's nowhere's near those rocks and I I'm upset now because my name's being brought into something that I didn't want to be involved in and that's all I have need to be involved that's why we stopped the discussion on that I agree with you okay well I just that's all I wanted to say thank you thank you you so bety docs would have to go in before the association they have to coordinate the so you you would have to have an order of assembly going on over there right bety goes in first with the fork truck and then yours can go in after will we agree that's okay with you I think it would have to happen that way no matter where the dock is I don't I don't have a problem with that but it's my son that puts my docks in it's a two-hour ride from him to come up here to do it and I use usually do it mid to the between the second half of May and I take them out the second half of October and I really don't want to change that because I'm working on his schedule and he's two hours away and he does this just for me but if that's okay with everybody then that's fine okay thank you now I did on the second sheet there is a letter that I right in case people wanted to sign it maybe a little more official but as far as I concern if the neighbors are happy with the general concept I'm having Dennis was going to make a motion excellent job of mediating Norm yes I made a motion to approve Norm's plan and his idea thank you okay anybody want a second I'll second R plan okay all in favor I I disagree totally well we're not you're not able to vote thank Norm I Chris pad ey I Jerry I keev I okay don't you want to sign it thank you you can sign it but should be signed by all to make it I'm still need I that will work wouldn't it so who facilitates the signing there you go thank you thank you very much thank you all right so just you are all set I'm all set y so I can have my doct where is and my I can get my stickers my it's are the other you're gonna withdraw I think a float or something no we have a float and a dock the second we're not going to put in the second dock okay that's there was a second dock you we're not putting it okay and you weren't sure the swim flat but you are going to keep okay so do you want me to you want me to initial that yeah this is the or this is what we got this year yeah you're asking for two dos no they're W one one so that has to be changed now you're asking for a moing you're asking for a swim well those were on the original those are on the original y well that's what I mean the application is wrong so you need to fill out a corrected application for what you want and then those are to be numbers yeah and it's number of structures or vessels you got yes no no oh okay okay so so just a reapplication it shouldn't take long to do that just yeah and the rest of this should be the same yeah that's fine so I just need a front page is what you're saying cover sheet cover sheet okay I'll have it in the office for tomorrow okay thank you thank you thank thank you nor good job nor thank you getting signed by them does that need to be mailed to them or something to sign it do we have Joe Joe was just here he think they wanted to my impression want to sign it I agree these two are not signing so doesn't change anything that was just that was a formality just hold on to it yeah should it go with the lp application sure I think you okay all right no see a subdivision update request for extension of order [Music] conditions careful Den it's place um I also asked Randy and John to be here um in case there was questions about yeah John um about the timeline that was with the DPW planning so we're all on the same page so if you want to ask questions to John or Randy about the timeline the coordination order of processes and yes all right I just had the question about 401 Water Quality certification whether that's okay so um deed restriction that's been the big ho but not conservation oh am I supposed to say my name yes reintroduce yourself every Jeff Smith salvania Associates I'm here for uh salt marsh Brothers for the noble Steed subdivision um so with the 401 Water Quality um we have a conference call scheduled for Thursday afternoon with uh Tom I'm not sure how you say his last name um and he's going to go over with us with Steve salvini myself Sabrina is going to be on the call as well anybody else would like to be on it uh I think it would be productive to have us just kind of work collaboratively and get the information we need and move forward um the calculations I've done were below the threshold for the we're below 5,000 square feet for the Army Corp per and we're below 100 cubic yards if I'm correct on the water quality we're at about 80 cubic yards at the most for what has been and needs to be removed to put this Culver in so um we may be below the threshold um if the water quality permit is what we need to do to move this forward whether we're below the threshold if that's what we need to do but I think that's the best way to move forward instead of banging our head and saying no we're below the threshold so um having said that we can record with the amendment was that going to be first before continuation yeah I we do the amendment and then the extension and then the 401 water quality is separate we have amendment to look at sort of a good question um did you have did you finalize the plans yet we don't have the finalized plans no I didn't I did I hear out hear back from Jesse today I asked him if he had any updates on it I didn't hear back um I'll reach out again tomorrow um I think that there was a lot of answers to be questions to be answered advertise the amendment for the next meeting is that supposed to be advertised we do an amendment so it's up to you guys um do the neighbors concerned and stuff it might be the best I think it's a good idea yeah so if want to do then we would have to publicize for a a public hearing um let me just double check we're can vote on the continuation we need a newspaper notice and then for a public hearing and then also the the abutters need to be notified um this is for an amendment this is for for the amendment if that's what the commission so there's there's three tiers one is that and this is for our local bylaw one tier is that the changes um there's a significant departure from the original proposal and then a whole new notice of intent needs to be done the second one is that there's a moderate departure from the original proposal and you would need a public hearing as well as the abutters need to be notified and then there's the third one where the changes repres present an insignificant change from the original proposal and then that um the amendment can be done um basically just a written approval by the commission so those are the three tiers we don't know which category those fallowing yet we haven't seen yeah I don't think that there's major changes on it significant in the big picture I do because he's he initially had a box culbert plan to be put in there his plans were kind of vague they're getting he's getting some detail added to them he's still planning a box cover he's still planning to construct the Box covert not bring in a prefab one I think that's because of the length of the structure so I don't see the changes as being significant in the overall definitely not significant in the impact uh in the overall design the the change in grade is not changing at all so I don't there's no additional clearing needed there's no additional resource areas lost does advertise it and post on the agenda and that because it doesn't say if your Butters from the actual work or from the subdivision you know it's 100 feet Butters from the actual work I would say we could just compromise and I have a question so he's not doing a pre-cast he's not because for a span I think it's because of the span so my only concern is how he's going to he's going to pour that yes how are they going to shore it and pour it and not be trampling through and disturbing everything like part of that is going to be engineering plan that's what we're waiting to see I know that's what saying we need to look at that as how they going to do that when they pour concrete their um stuff on their forms to keep stuff from you know so they can strip it and all those chemicals that use like there is preast the other Solutions in box C they have Arch bridges that you can do and stuff like that so that's my only concern would be pouring it could be a nightmare for the whole construction of it we would have to see how they're going to do it hard to do something that's not pre-cast in my mind um if you discuss that with Randy as far as the actual structure uh Jeff's reports accurate in that they've been as reported through Jesse they've engaged a u a structural engineer to prepare documents Jesse's shared draft information from the structural engineer um we'll call it preliminary review comments through DPW um but uh the design has not yet been finalized I just think showing and forming that is going to be very hard to do in the field spanning a bridge rather than doing pre-cast I agree with you on the complication I I will talk to Jesse tomorrow and see specifically what is specifically in south on Bridge Street there was a subdivision we didn't the span was too much for box tover it was a 40 foot span but they use an arched Bridge with concrete pre-cast I know that was this span isn't that much but what I'm saying is pre there's still pre-cast is there's still plenty of pre-cast options is my only thing I will talk to him about this and I'll get some answers and maybe I'm gonna have to be talking to the engineer also um I understand the misgivings about pouring it place and I understand the benefits of a pre-cast yeah um and we've just seen some of the issues ongoing there pre-cast you know you're getting we don't need any more problems I agree with Kevin yeah thank you it's good point I'll bring that up with the um anybody have any questions for John or as far as time frame see everybody what is our time frame looking like John as far as the project what's he looking at as far as uh or what are you looking for the I should say the uh should be the developer submitted schedule uh has things mapped out for conclusion this calendar year targeted of uh November 4 uh the closure of work okay for I'm going to call it strictly the remaining infrastructure um and some corrective actions um have been folded into that but that's that's the thing thus far U it's fair to say that there's an understanding that oh that's the plan uh sometimes you have to shuffle a few cards around you know the planning board uh agreed to the schedule in the spirit in which it was submitted to determine that being call it the responsive action right uh from the developer so if there's delay for Just Cause And so be it but the the target is this year as submitted by Mr Sal Marsh okay I mean I think Jeff on him pretty well about as far as buttoning up some of the ER eroded areas and getting them seated and I think less erodable I think very positive that there's a uh erosion control Monitor and coordinator attending these meetings does it take a long time to get a pre-cast is there long waiting period I would assume that there's a whole engineering aspect of that too yeah right it's not like something I'll bring her up with him tomorrow I'll call for sing in the morning I mean I'm not saying that you can't I don't even know what just what we have to say you have to do this or that I'm just saying had a lot of issues it does bring up those issues and you know as far as how we determine our level that might be a big see there's no order of conditions valid right now we got pretty much a wide open J it's not like there's been no issues ongo with the project you know so I'm just saying like yeah Is it feasible yes but it's it's going to complicate things poring rather than preast and since that is one of the changes that might bump it up Butters Butters and a notice y um two butter notifications ones on each side I'm not really exactly sure if it's the development or if it's just the abutters on each side it says increased potential erosion so I would say that would do increase the size or change of location of structure I don't think that would change amount of vegetation remove maybe um I think it's just from the project area itself not from the right so it' be probably two houses on the West Side the two houses one house on the east side and it' be on the Southeast side of the crossing sounds good okay so P usually and then 200 wrong impression last time when he said that he had 100 I thought but and it was you know time sensitive got that far he didn't say it was time sensitive he didn't say he was lined up and ready to go but he okay he's waiting on plans from the engineer I I think that his plans will some critical information and ready to go in all right all right when the plans started getting reviewed I must some shortcomings not shortcomings that's not the correct word um there was some information that need to be clarified and um as far as other stuff he is going to work on uh sidewalks that need to be completed he's got some green space on the easterly side there's a area that had been grubbed out that he should be at this point now he can put some Top Soil down and get that seated MH um he may be able to use some of the material he pulls out of there that's not I don't suspect there's a lot of hydrix soil in there so I think it's going to be mostly sand and gravel he'll be taken out maybe he can use some of that and top dress that would get that stabilized up there that he gets a lot of erosion off that bank um any idea um time frame for curbing I will ask him I had someone ask me okay I will get curving and sidewalk updates so that you can let the residents that are questioning I know there's a few that are asking questions you're saying they could work in the buffer area with an enforcement order is that what I'm saying I don't know if that was brought up but did you want to bring that up well if they wanted we don't want to hold you up if there work in the buffer area you want to do you could do it under it that's legal like we're doing for y very good Sol tell I'm working the 100 foot buffer it's GNA get another enforcement order from me friendly one friendly one permission without permission we don't want to hold up this project we want to get it right but we want to make sure we don't have any more problems the big picture we want to see things happen it's it's complex it needs to be done right right disagree with there no replication do you want to update them on no replication at all oh so the replication is I've gone back and forth about better rep patients and I finally did decide that the easterly side was best and I'm probably going to move it to the north a little bit it'll probably overlap where it is but it's more likely to be like this um and the reason for that is there's a lot of mature trees in here that would have to be cut there's less trees here okay and um also access from lot 15 which is now cleared as a uh construction road or driveway up here that he can driveway is actually here he come down the slope without having to cut a lot of trees and it would have less impact on the whole area because it is more open it's not as steep makes sense yeah so did you talk to Jesse about that yes I did so he's gonna hold off on building the house until then or is I just told him that we were going to be coming in on lot 15 and that's it so um that's he didn't seem concerned about about it at all so I think he he knows he just he wants to get it done and that's the easiest way to do it so okay um I think I've covered everything for H yeah Noble speed than give you any updates on Oak Bridge is there's any questions on that while I'm here or do you want me to wait later does anybody have any questions no you guys did a site visit we went met and I went out on a site visit and Jeff showed us some things you know we looked at the silk fences there was some sediment that was coming down into that area you asked me to look at but they're in place and they're I thought they were in decent shape they were doing their job but they might need to get cleaned out um it was it was rainy and muddy and it was not a good day yeah you know so we didn't we didn't spend the whole day there but we did go look at you know some of our key spots and um you know everything seemed to be working out okay um as far as what he's agreed to do and what's happening but you as we discussed that silense may need need to get reestablished a little bit better because supp get another big downpour Wednesday and Thursday could be snow yeah tomorrow day and then another Touch of winter something almost four in of rain Four Seasons in well I mean when we were up there last it was ice on the trees yeah too much rain yeah well thank you so much Jeff appreciate all your je got everything else ref flag up there as I want to bring that into so remarked and all right very good thank thank you [Music] John my pleasure see everybody Take Care thank you Jeff okay uh next we have discussion of having a member of south of conservation being leaon to the seld Conservation Commission you have the the print out in your folder the last one a couple tyos those are forgivable put together what I think I was asked to do and some of the things and then some yeah and then some be the qual and I I I didn't when I brought this up I didn't mean to imply it had to be me I'd be glad for someone else to volunteer well Just for future if you can't do it in the future would have something to go by but I would nominate Norm yeah I mean you seem to have the desire the time the you know yeah understanding experience tce a month Tuesdays 700 p.m on the 2 and fourth Thursdays or Tuesdays of the month once a month in the summer months yeah I think it's something that like I said I've been hoping to be able to established with subfield because we do have so many I wouldn't say issues around the lake but projects that we're unaware of or and we look at and say I would make a motion to adopt this as the definition yeah template definition work in progress kind of for leadon anyon for commission okay second all in favor Andy I Chris I second J it's okay an i all right and so I'd like to nominate Norm to be our Le Aon to the Suffield Conservation Commission I'll second that okay we'll go around the table again Dennis I Andy Norm I Chris ey m i Jerry ey k i all right have a question and here's a little something for nor Merry Christmas that's from 2005 I was cleaning out my libr liary as of last three four five days and all these weird things are popping up so I think you'll appreciate that okay is this through does this need to go in front of the select board at all like what's the process with a Lea zone is it just internally for us to file this away somewhere I would say yes you're the chair I would say yes sure said yes and it's it's not it's not a formal position that's a he's volunteering to do it okay yeah and it's informational you know it's probably should give a copy of the select board just to yeah let them know we need to let them know um that we're moving I me it's a topic that we've been talk talking about forever right right here yeah you every time I get a call or something and see something over on the Southfield side I called Dennis Dennis would get in touch but it's reactive I don't want to be reactive all the time proactive is the best way you know Dennis would call over and say hey what's going on went back and forth quite a while before anything got resolved now do they have any opinion on this the subfield folks we'll see not yet find out just remember be nice I will I'm okay oh you nor all right moving on have for request for permission to access sanowski property no update okay Grenville Gorge kios roof no update North Pine conservation property recyclables no update discuss on docs not completely removed from the lake kind of late for that now Ian do we have any enforcement or um buy issuances anything from no Mr gillo has he got his warning his fine started um so okay Noble Ste update we did yep uh 107 South Luma Street possible Wetland violation no update and more Vining subdivision possible Wetland violation you did the update yeah and then we have possible Wetland violation 31 Sam West Road I asked Ryan to give me an update and he did not okay do you want me to scratch out more Ving subdivision possible Wetland violation yeah next meeting is May 6 May okay there's a holiday on the 15 long is this for me that's yours y I have no if anybody cares to have it I don't know if you still want to keep record get backland involved in that one day anybody want to make a motion minutes oh minutes oh minutes oh thank you I'll make a motion to approve the minutes I got a question oh sorry on 5:30 Griffin I did not abstain you didn't no I had abstained that one other time for Mr gr time I ever abstained from anything all right thank you for rectifying the situation good all right now motion second Dennis did the motion denn did the motion accept the minutes we did we approved the minutes want to SL on all in favor of the minutes okay we're good more stuff I mean Dennis if it's useful keep you don't want throw it out all in favor of a journey