all right today's March 26 in attendance is Paul Conley Karen Deo was absent Robert Co sorry Dave meth is on his way Dr Richard zinski is here and then we have um Elizabeth Melissa and low from the accounting department so public comment is first anyone have something they'd like to say any on this since take your name and address for the record anyone on Zoom have anything say So Lisa I'll take you under public comment because I don't have you on here I don't think no so we'll have you come up now how are you today so they raised the price for um buying things in our line items to 30 300 3,000 um and my mower is 3,400 um so I just need your signature on a purchase order approval to buy um another Zero Turn Mower because the three that we have so we bought a zero turn a big one yeah last year out of our line item you guys Pro that and this one's just a smaller one so we can get around the stones easier the three that we have that the part- timers use it's really like what you would mow your lawn with that we're just replacing Parts like crazy um so we're just gonna just get rid of the three maybe keep one of them just as a spare um because one goes up a hill we have one sharp Hill real good um so that we'll probably keep with the other two we're going to end up Surplus so we're going to need at least one this year and maybe another um midsize one next year so I'm just looking to get it approved you can actually just sign it tonight and give it to thank you thank you so we got minutes first [Music] [Music] Sheron Robert Ro thank you folks and next in your packet is just a 504 coordinator that was asked for at our hearing um um there total issu s this must be that's just for you and Alita oh good Alita let me know what it says got it thank you thank you those Che notes um all right so we are here tonight to worry about a look at our budget and for the upcoming year I stated up the air earlier that um the SCH the department Leed out last night and there there's going to be some movement on their numbers it sounds like um so they must have heard uh few folks that spoke up on Saturday and I appreciate you that uh had something to say Alena um thank you and Karen so it was so they hurt us was ni to here um so with that being said we'll move forward so in front of us is the new positions changes has requested accounting does this for us every year they make a separate Little Packet which does help us [Music] um so the first one is pretty much positions these have not been approved by the S not yet they are meeting in weeks April 4th I believe they're going to have their meeting with a account and then we will have our joint meeting after that so there so what's proposed is $41,600 44 in new positions or changes I'm reading that correct yeah okay yeah that we know yeah right right that we know okay so second page is um okay so first up is chief administrative officer which should be the Carl steinart position I believe and increase two is looking for 500 so what's happening here poos whoever we get that's new is going to need some of this stuff right that's really what it comes down to [Music] um Bo there I guess you have to leave it for now if anything I would cut the supplies to level funding but they're going to need a stapler and I can already hear that conversation because I'm sure it's an empty desk at the end of the day my picture might be in the drawer but that'd be about it so and they're not going to put that you I'm so treasure collector we're splitting that office right so yes that's a whole another o what happens when it's in red what's that mean it's negative Laura oh no no just see if I can tell my colors yeah okay I appreciate that I'm awake thank you all right so I guess we have to leave that alone we have to leave election and registration alone right now because that's new at Le we'll go back to it legal negotiator operations where do we find that in our book so who do you think that falls [Music] on and why number 363 legal labor negotiator operations L item now um well 18185 this the total for FY 24 total expended is 12123 um requested is 18548 that's notg uh it says in the next page increase workload yeah that that doesn't we'll go back to that I gotta find out what that's really about some sort all right conservation um the views have gone up I get that I think it's obliged to St even has not changed any discussion about that thank you moving on postage guess we have to do it got to send those bills out only that there she's right Department code books no I'm doing I'm doing but he did say he was exploring an online option and I'm not debating $900 no no but he is yeah I'm just saying that should kind of be probably what we encourage everybody to do going forward is anything that they online yeah yeah yeah but even with the online thing there's probably a yeah there is but I just think there should be a general push to anything that we can get because it's probably and you don't kill a tree right you control she swapping lines it looks good yeah 125 is that new weed a new SC and we want to stay ahead of it so we don't have to pay more later on oh we're gonna pay more later well there's always something new coming up border of health is the wait hang on so why does it say gpw Solid Waste add tools I thought they did increase for that but they added like $50 they did it say zero yeah so that should be $50 am I right on the amount or did I just yeah yeah what it is how are you you [Music] [Music] want thank you please thank you yes in that packet to the right of your hand is uh you go through you'll come across this year that's a little worth [Music] that I think it's at the back D yes probably last pink we are on one it's one of so we did find it was $50 for the souls yes yeah thank you and we are down going to the Board of Health next David um they generate fees for that the yeah so this is first we got to buy the software right and then this is its annual annual thing theual Fe yeah so building department also has that fee he said he didn't but it's already wrapped into your system um so that would be the annual fee for the it part of that and my only uh I don't have an issue only because if we're going with technology we've got it incre or El we're be looking to add to staffs then he also said he was going to look to increase the pering Fe more in line with other towns so I think this is like we got to do this Jo exactly yeah the paper is just time consuming and costly I'm not sure what this service so yeah so I'm looking at I found it it's in the other budget it's totally not opposed to it I just don't know what it's for 65,000 for FY 24 which was down from FY 23 um where did you find it it way in the back know that's funny at Saturday we didn't go into the weeks no we didn't but $12,000 isn't isn't isn't isn't weeds so and again not opposed to vetan medic we didn't go it's paid to our veterans um and last year they were anticipating that some people would be dropping off because eligibility or moving around and that hasn't come to yeah yeah so he's allowing for that plus new right yeah because we're already we have to monitor maybe one line is that the one that they can help with like different costs that they might incur like an expensive medication or something like that Meals on Wheels and maybe no but but extra stuff that's come up that just they can do it and they need it okay the veteran services we run with two towns or three towns um for I'm not trying to be mean but for many years it was just a a horse in the corner of the barn Le it didn't move much um they recently that gentleman retired in the street there's a new person there who was very motivated um and that's and I think that's what we're also seeing he is actually checking things uh and agam's building a new fire department so that they are in the fire department police department building a new police department so they are being moved over to the senior center in agon where they will be sharing offices with our old comat so yeah so they I get it yeah yeah okay so the liary a th that was part of their package though right yeah increas keep up with the percentage so we have to also lose the additional benefit and I see that Diane G here so I'm going reach out to her from this conversation hi Dian so Diane had cheed over the library quite extensively thought she might have found a few different little spots that maybe me they could save so we did go visit them on Friday um and apparently they're doing things right we were we're off a little bit but we're not sure really if we really are off a little bit or yeah yeah not quite yet so we're looking at a few things over there and no yes yeah yeah but the bottom line was if we had found an error we would still have to fund that error in a different way and it wasn't much money but it's just the way they do some of their MTH over there so just to get you updated on that so nothing this year but it is what it is Park and wreck fireworks I'm gonna be the downer that's fine I I just don't see how we can yeah does anybody vly disagree with me and the reason reason why I say that is when I look at the next line item right so we got a CPC project that is adding to annual operating expenses which is a different conversation that is not for tonight that's in my head but I just how can we that's an estimate we don't really very involved M okay thank you you don't want to be the ones that shut the valve off to the water park do we a lot more 365 days a year no but it's going to be besides the water what do you want to do so the project's already been approved right and it's already being built so we either build something and we don't we let we let it sit and then it deteriorates and it doesn't use it doesn't get used or we make it go live and we make the best of that right we're we're in a rock and a hard place right and maybe we just have to play with the dates that it's open or something if it's that astronomical maybe it's only open July and August well that's why we're in the numbers Department in locking the key Department right right no exactly it's unfortunate I agree with you when it is what it is right um the good news is they got approve their Library Edition over there some kind a walking path so hopefully it doesn't come any extras and it's just look at it so I'm excited all right so water stays because we have to and add commission Community C there line oh zero gotta they just need another line it in their accounting system so going back to the water for a second so yeah why wasn't that accounted for in the vote this 13,000 well because CPC doesn't pay for um maintenance right and anything build it they will come they did their part we used the town's money our money to build it but it does not and it cannot go to maintenance they cannot say for 5 years open an extra 100 Grand in there cover the water nope and we've had those discussions um it's it's part of that package of the CPC and it's unfortunate because um it seems everything they've done with it anything with Wally Park does come with a maintenance a maintenance agreement of sorts um yeah so it's 14,000 for water um the lighting well there should be no on the spray park but um yeah any thoughts to no thank you no no that's all good I just yeah and and she's right be sitting there crossing off another item because we we have to be physically responsible and the way we go okay the sewer increased conference education and travel 100 guys are okay with adding the two lines abolutely yes yes yes yes yes maybe you can put it in there in that to required just so they'll see it when they see it no Dave you're blockinger D David it's perfect stay where you want I can't see the eye roll from there um that's the wrong person yeah this is very okay so we got $100 for for conference increase education and travel for sewer department and I believe that is to do with I see travel that's got to be when they go pick up the pumps that they were a little under what do we have so Laura this schedule that we printed for us is that an order of the budget too is it all in no I it's in of doesn't match this I got have time okay I just thought I and I don't want to [Music] see six digit sounds like he just wants to he send in a couple people to Boston for a conference you know he did account gas well gas he's saying to include travel yeah get to in the account payments of tools for delivery of to manufacturer to repair and travel to [Music] other a lot of Tom travel add the word travel into that you're abing that word oh okay I see are we okay with you keeping up right yep I'll let you know okay so this is a line item being change right the uh scatter maintenance to be moved from from standard Capital request to maintenance so it's the same dollars no an increase under the capital it was 5,000 before 10,000 so this is coming from it was used to be capital and now it's just moving operating so it's not new though it's just it's a new line item but the amount isn't new same dollars it was always capit Capital it's in the budget in the budget 24 so we're on the same page yeah yeah so that's okay that stays because it's already there so once again add scatter maintenance to be moved from standard Capital request at 15,000 so that's under your water department of course m M the same different I just want to make sure the increase City of Springfield that's liner I guess and then in met I don't remember it's on the second page under bices and black back back blow inspection oh this is the guy that's going to go out and educate right so I have I have a back gets inspected once a year so now they want to businesses that don't have home so I would say 25 is that is that negotiable is that amount negotiable well let's let's talk about that so so but there's there's two there's backflow inspection and then the water meter Ami system right below it so maximal inspections at 6,000 right they're asking for 7,400 on that yeah 15,00 the water meter Ami system going from 20 so I I have noted that the backf flow inspection was because they need some D surveys which I kind of feel like that might be non-negotiable if we need D surveys but who knows not Myer back preventor is a sale not sale it correct so what's the inspection it's either fails or get inspected every year it does yeah and and you're right so where are you guys seeing we just talked about what P where second page of the four4 yeah 20,000 the past couple years bumping total expended in 23 was 245 are those all done at once yeah we only spent $900 so far [Music] because if it's not working if it's not working it's understand that the reality if you're ins it you're either find something you're not going find something right so one way or the other it's either fail or operate yeah yeah but still needs someone needs to look at it and tell us that so is that because we have more people on sewer now so there's more to inspect is that's why it's going up 14 so it's not SE it's the it's your fresh water so if you're on City Water um so it can't back feed because someone put a sewer train into that so 7,000 5,000 is this the 7,000 5,000 line yeah no that list so the back blow inspection which is right here the FY 24 buget 6,000 they're requesting 7400 I no because they need DP surveys but what's on your list is the 5,000 inre for AMI so have this listed asem forting and maintenance fees for the electric water meter wait so it's posting and maintenance for the water meter reading system and section system that's the Ami one yeah say it again I'm sorry I'm so I that's sorry that's so it's posting and maintenance fees for the water meter reading system and leak detection system okay's negotiable I would agree with you stoping unless it's that's a whole another issue right because because that's what I was getting at is you know every year water sewer we pass everything right we pass we pass we passed and I'm told they have their own funding source Mr D and they do but it's still the taxpayers dollar our water bill goes up because we needed a new trucker we needed this so I think we need to we need to bring that in a little bit personally and understand the p&l of that keep saying it's selfing we don't know we don't get eyes on the fact that it's selfing or not we and then I asked I said are we going to go up on our rates well they look okay right now which which scares me um that with this GL line item Laura is so we expended 245 in FY 23 we've only expended 900 in FY 24 so with the rest of that is if we if it's a timing issue and we're getting build can we see what's hitting that to determine if that's really an invoice for software maintenance or if that is negotiable because if it's a invoice for software maintenance we can't do anything about it we can go to that next week yeah that's right I'm putting a question Mar yeah so if you would do FY FY 23 indust and 24 to and then entry stock you wanted to buy more grinder P that's 30,000 that's not 9,000 okay that was they okay but I don't see it don't know is underwat so we're back at water I don't see [Music] any yeah page six of open okay that's DPW yes the bottom 235 yeah anticipated increase in [Music] cost would have been the increases the last two days yeah they had stock supp we got [Music] 11,000 yeah so wait a second so stock supplies I have at the Water Division increased its 5,000 on the submitted budget that we reviewed so FY 24 was 30,000 only expended 3,000 and level funded for this year is waser that's 35,000 so that's not 9,000 but what I do see is another contracted equipment line item that's also increasing 5,000 that I don't have notes on so I don't know if those are combined and 9,000 not 10 this is the one I think I did that reconciliation on Joe yeah which I don't I didn't bring I didn't bring out was right but right and I still found that it didn't balance right I didn't print it with me probably good show oh so supp just so you find um Water Division the first page between office supplies and surface materials finally landed on it y000 but he's only spent three grand and last year he only spent 14 so why can't he stay at 30 can all departments if we get into one issue come in front of us every right so you LEL fund it folks these are hard decisions and we're not going to be in the CL music you know number wise it doesn't make sense anyway like it's a big difference he didn't really L fund his old budg any so well yeah that's I think the bigger concern too and I annoyed myself that I didn't take it out I have phone I can't iil all right it this [Music] device basically what I did with this whole budget was there was so many moving Parts I went and I reconciled the entire all the debits all of the credits and there it wasn't it there's still some issues that we need to address better L items fire talk the um this this one so anything in this tab I did the anything that he was basically recategorizing so the so in my in my C in my one that I did I looked at I gave me credit and I looked at the entire budget and I said okay if this is all his budget do we you know if we have to recategorize gbw versus water sewer do we really care if it's level funded but it wasn't that's why I went through because so we did that after our meeting last the 9th the meeting on the 9th I did that after because I wasn't I was doing quick math on the paper and it re it wasn't nting to [Music] [Music] zero do we want to send that to everybody and get eyes on it and then discuss that later I think it's a lot bigger than just a five minute conversation and yeah we'll send that tonight guys but she did a great job breaking everything down but it's all three it's water sewer so time we were trying to figure out what was next that's why yeah did it okay so we're on page page new operations changes request the yeah chief administrative officer would say we can't touch that treasure collector we can't touch that town clerk is is New Right Town CL will be new also town clerk is new UN sure how no no it's all yeah I got you yeah some moving charts so that's the thing even even at level funded there's so many small pieces and parts that's not you know the numbers are going to go up P um that's the acceptance of Cory drive and Cody Wayne they know was up to 20,000 start engineering that kind of stuff are we okay with that yes okay computer system standard requests that's true right Laur Sor behind what's that I said I'm behind so yes that's a standard request okay that's the computer issue of splitting the elevator stop switch we apparently need except I don't need one a mile okay yeah and right and I'm sure that I'm sure that the stage needs one but we won't talk yeah um no the only thing that I don't see a dollar amount for and I I know because it's un known is that when they when they do do the split whoever's going to end up where in the building um there's going to be a need to punch a couple holes in the water it's coming up it's it's it's down under C's got it in it's okay yeah just we'll make sure there's some fund there be like a $5,000 two holes Windows yeah 2400 bucks anyways well I'm sorry that was it if we did it the right way I'm sorry we won't get into that okay oh is this coming up I'm good oh it's coming up okay okay so the 12,000 is the elevator Police Department the two Cruisers standard portable radio was standard although I got to question that because I got all radios when we merged so I'm ask about that computer equipment standard request 15% I thought computer stuff oh no not note right well they're coming will yeah the chips and stuff but if they're coming with antivirus and some of the other stuff that they need that's and 15% seems very fair enough the [Music] a gotta do that gives me a shot gives me one last shot shot one more shot before Lisa get she she attracted she said she's GNA hand dig my oh that's right probably a little party going on she'll that's fine it's you get what you be something replace large hose that's a maintenance thing yep um the canopy engine three hose bed canopy yeah yeah mhm okay and then the do well I'd like to put it aside for now and once we get done with our numbers we because I know I'm hoping we save the 300 from the schools like I was told so that's that right you know what I mean if that's really true then they they couldn't have picked a better number to tell me yeah so we'll just we'll set that aside it's not dead just a hold pattern please okays INF Fusion pumps require yep and wasn't the new purchase of that old am was 20 grand not 10 yeah that's that's 20,000 20,000 so we got to change that to 20 we were hoping to get it the 10 but even at 20 yeah we've invested in there anyway so yeah that was 20 yeah he had already checked had a quotes yeah you good Laura okay I got you uh police department replace Police Department 4 which is the carpet in the offices y That's ancient of course I'd like to put at five and do it over two years but probably not the smartest thing too so just leave it like it is and then the stop switches for the fire department you the one for the fire department is $500 more than the one different that's right I forgot about this sorry thank yeah all right okay someone was paying attention you were there right came the other elor companies not coming all right building department replaceable circles that's the software that's going out of uh dat y okay Place antenna at Town Hall at some point go ahead it seems that you know Emergency Services whether this is in five years or it's been it was five years ago I'm went denial but they're not going to need they're not going to rely on shortwave radio necessarily with the the cellular and the redundancy that's wonderful when it's working but as we learned from 911 when those Towers fell all that went right well I'm just saying not trying to be stupid but as much as it as much as today we don't need that and I agree with you yeah I know when Earth moves and caveman comes back out that's that's going to be the happening thing I'm trying to I'm trying to think of a scenario where we really need instantaneous radio where if the cell tower is out you can't drive four miles down the road and hit another Tower if the road is there right just and then what are you gonna do on the radio if you don't have roads I I don't know anyway WR with you I just wanted to kind of raise it I think they can go another year it but well you know I don't know what year we going to do with yeah I me don't know it's well intended and I'm not saying it's now is the time I get that I think you know towns need to be aware of you know when when it's ready to let go of something yeah because hey it was always there and we always had somebody and it's nice to it feels good but would ever be used in the emergency broadcast system that you you know you remember the advertisement you'd get in this little beep on the on the TV that was never used that wasn't even used in 911 they were they were set up the highway weekend they had everything but that's somewhere somewhere along the line there's probably some State money that's tied probably to that that our system is up in the bars give us there's probably a little more to itci yeah and this is for the antenna here yes I know forever they want to get in the DPW and forever we voted it down yes um so that is the one that's here the alternative is a blanket smokes so Pi your poison so what is our passion for being inel did he say how critical it is whether it can it was look like it at the end of the slide so it's probably 14,000 this year 15,000 next year so biglo and we do have a new Emergency Management gentleman right Chief Anderson retired Anderson is not in charge of that um and I'm sure we that was just going to say he brings a level with him doesn't want on six yeah not even that just I don't think he was ever one to ask for something yeah is what it is well let's leave it in and if we have to cut it with C Bank management Lisa mornings a standard repl cameras are standard the DVR will be the last one this year for three years supposed y so is the DVR realistically the other two oh one goes to the other side and Lake restoration 6,000 [Music] to look so hard okay you good with that yeah okay so the first three years standard boom boom boom and at our Capt meeting I believe we approved a million five correct yes we did and then we said if there was anything left we give them whatever left right but we need to make clear that um the 1.5 million is not Paving right so it's not just Paving if there is drainage or anything so infrastructure yeah so that can get a little bit confusing right so 1.5 we think of what M half correct and no it's not it might be a half a mile road because it needs drainage or something so we have to keep that in mind when we talk numbers of and infrastructure and more on this subject um and and this is just me being here I think a bigger picture is we really need to look at do we fund 20 million for roads do we go with a SE line item and not I guess not this year but we really got to look at our roads and we're not even at square one right so we're what we're doing today is and I hate to I hate to belittle it but it's like the equivalent of hot patching for the problems we have in this town so I think for next year that's something that we need to consider bringing to the table is bonding a 20 or30 million project to get our roads back to square one and then maintain them from there it's like a serious conversation that we need to have yeah they but it's something you need to do because doing the the all the you know the sore and the grading and stuff they did that on Mort Vining and you can tell the difference yeah because we have streams all over the place and there was water and they hadn't touched them and they wasted all the is we just keep falling farther and farther behind even if even if you threw $2 million at it you probably needed five so you didn't gain anything and every year you keep kicking the can down the road yeah um and it is going to be the big elit in the room I think what we have to look at is we have to look at the bonds and what might be coming to and what might be available I mean you know we've got some big ones out there try and figure maybe year down a line two years down the line This Bond's coming off or that Bond's and people eventually are just going to say look I know it's not going to be you know no one wants to bring it up like hey we need to do this Bond but everybody screams about their roades constantly well I don't think it's a hard cell yeah I really don't not especially with if we yeah it's not a hard sell on its own but also with the master plan and the town survey and the amount of respondents that we had and what people want in this town and and more things and revitalization of of the center and and more business and stuff we cannot attract new businesses and new residents if you're driving on gravel it's just not going to happen so we can't have they're not mutually exclusive we can't have a master plan for 2040 and not address the problem that nobody wants to drive in the town to just the work down the town of bur Connecticut they actually they took and they did like $25 million Bond yep they took two years they rebuilt every single Road in town million they they did every single Road in town over course two years so that's aive they did it right they did it if they need drainage they did the drainage through the side so they went right down through the water a little water department you got bad lines here good noad drip up fix them you know but that's the right way to do it so yeah that is that is a big dog somewhere down grab you know we're losing our leader so it's all this is going to be so much more difficult um and I don't care who replaces them this L that leader so we know in this room that you know even if we did 10 million a year for two years because they can't they can't get them done in time million we can Bond it but it's it's a probably a four or five for this this four or five years you know so they we could step that bond in as much as you know because eventually LA's GNA laugh every year we say Laur we're gonna bond for another million we're gonna B for another million well you got change it up a little bit because when Randy says oh the paving yeah the one okay which one right project are you talking about yeah yeah yeah so I so I don't know if if um unless would be the last thing I say so maybe we have to come up with a little subcommittee or or or you know maybe I'll approach the selectman and you know fre can form of I don't think we need to I mean it was quoted 16 million five years ago from Randy to do roads so it's all of 20 you know in the million of a year we tickle with his nothing it's a band so okay enough for that so you you're listening your taxes WR and jokingly but not Laura I did ask you did you figure out what that two and a half% was thank you um so what am I put down 1.5 and whether we take five from three caches later that's that's not a discussion for um supervisor truck DPW did not Rive [Music] Capcom um that's out the message board 22,000 I did check to the police department um because we had one and I was nicely told Joey it's always there for them whenever they need it yep um so I think we're I think yeah I think we're good so that's out too yeah okay yeah because it's not like it's being used all the time right yeah and and I you know it is nice to have your own I get it but it just play in the sandbox yeah I just just where we're heading it was a to behind message board so the police department has it Nationals come you see it down there on PO M when the fireworks used to come to town you see on to M so it's available it's sitting in the police department Bay they can back right up and grab it at any time um and they do use it occasionally don't you know so it' be nice to have their own but but okay solid waste the trash box we do every year yep uh I think we can pass on the concrete pads yes the roers get a little muddy I get it um but you got 8,000 you know the shed went up to cover the equipment out back and and now it's 8,000 to get a little bit of power to it so I think we uh I don't know what you what's your feelings on the concrete pad um well I guess I guess you could just put in gravel yeah there's something been there forever right uh you know I let it go at this point I don't know whether somewhere down L we need to re that whole thing down and we do and that's been talked about on and off soon so that right we get a private service in town we each paay 150 bucks a year and way we go oh nox I bad bad yeah defitely driveway just to bring the trash to get up the concrete pad uh probably do without them go upgrade I I I I would do the electrical operates but those guys do a lot of maintenance on the boxes in that building that they would up they'll take a box in there they'll redo the floors in them it's just saves you from you know you get an extra five years out the box but you know people need it's crazy to run an extension Court you know what I'm saying it is 8,000 on power over there they can put things on chargers they can store equipment in there and heaters so that's I I will leave that right so concrete pads are dead we'll leave the electrical for now okay Cemetery tractor 35,000 should be 55 I believe um uh some of us got to meet with our financing folks that knew our our investments for the town and it was a great experience for some of us um some people got very upset in the room because there are these you know weird women that know everything and didn't like our interest rates I feel like it's I yeah we're getting a you know a great 2% on a return and no matter how you slice it and that woman right there tried every which way but Sunday to slice that pie and we lost it's 2% enjoy it have a good day Mass General law restricts the Investments that we to on our specialized trusts so there's a list of about 22 um and I immediately noticed there's no Tech BS in there um so it left our soical but I'm not gonna go there I'm Gonna Let You Go go there and let you know my real thoughts but yeah though no matter how you cut it no matter what town you're in you're going to be earning about two% yeah on a on our funds which just it's terrible but the good news is as they rattled off what we have in funds I have in here cemetery and I'm a one-word guy my whole life so of course we dial back to the cemetery position and they have some funds available I'm not gonna say how much because we don't become drunken Sailors but but good news is the 55 can probably come out of one of their accounts that they have invested because they do have a liquid kind of liquid area there so if we go forward with it it doesn't it's in our budget of course yeah but it sounds like there's a funding source for that and after it's up and running they're not paying the other guy his fees to come out and digre when he feels like item goes down well and she also is gonna bump up the she has yes so we're still GNA be lower but we're gonna be more yeah right it's all making sense yeah it it is um I don't know if there should be a digging business but I guess we're going to try and years ago we were years ago the cemetery had older folks that were in construction but they did know how to so I'm sure we can it's a whole right not thinking that and she she does have somebody that is positioned to go through the certification it's not just like me behind a wheel right I mean not that somebody I mean obviously you can learn if you're taught right you can learn so do we so is the conversation today do we it what I don't understand how this would work so if we want to fund it and then is there a separate conversation of do we pull it from the cemetery trust or is this well I think that's just something that the accouny look Carl okay so that doesn't have to go nothing to do nothing to do with this board at this time to know that it's available well I think that's the Avenue I would pursue personally I would too yeah yeah yes to to you know to harness that money again like I said there's there's a few more dollars in that and we said no last year and the price from last year well last year the conversation was that DPW needed needed one right and so the thought was that they could share it and what was purchased for regular Town use in no way shape or form can be used for the the cemetery which I know several people on this committee I remember vly brought that up yeah um so I we're just did their homework came back with a better piece it's not as um versatile as the other pie it's not gonna go M Lawn it's not gonna do anything with Di and hopefully not wend right so I I I think is some point we're going want to shelter this tra too yeah yeah so that's not on our Capital but but is that something that can come out of that Cemetery I believe it can but it really needs to be so while we're on that subject um she came in today for a mower so 3,000 is our limit on on small equipment small wees whatever we call it Laura what's the profal thank you Laura and I'll never get that right um so it's 3,000 last year we bought fencing and she had come in because she wanted so many pieces and went over that threshold yada y y and we did it so today I sat down with Carl and I basically had said we're not talking about the person or which department you're leaving Carl so how do I handle these requests is it is it up to the finance committee to go over the 3,000 like she wants to do tonight can we just sign and do it no it's a capital item so up to three grand they have the okay to do that but after three grand it's Capital period so unfortunately this mower she can put under capital for this year and it gets and goes through the process that way um that's unfortunate but we got to start sticking to structure and rules you know and what's the amount of that throw it on throw it on there it's a lawn mower for 3500 yeah I think you know when Carl says yes accounting is comfortable with Carl's answers only because of his years of experience and knowledge and if we get audited we have Carl to fall back on that goes away so we there's a lot of little things that we would as an small town USA Brotherhood kind of get away with and Laura deal with it here's your mess um but we we I hate to say it this way we need to get back to our structure and unfortunately the 30 if she can find one under three grand she's all set but she can't so when not saying when I say no to it it's just got to go through the process is that the line item that we increased last year too because it was so low it used to be a thousand and you can actually go up to 7,000 I'm told by the state but I I we were comfortable with it okay right you know because I just Vision certain departments running out and spending that money and then hey I'm I'm short well who told you to buy the the mower or the shovel you know because it was 5,000 and you want spend your money I don't know so that was a great idea for a process but I think after we all said yes and it went through the system I I think I was having a hard time breathing knowing that we're just letting all that money go out which is fine but yet we're losing our control so that's why it got bricked up on the 3,000 instead of yeah yeah okay so you added that to the process did you add it back there to the Adam mower for 3500 so the cemetery trust is at very interesting there's 300 and something thousand in this in this product of trust um and when they sell the Lots they get kind of split up certain go here certain money goes there um and for years we really didn't know anything about it other than that it you know existed and then like I say since we had the ch people actually in front of us and she mentioned cemetery and there was a word forone with it it was a cemetery trust yeah yeah yeah so it was it was interesting you can't touch all the money that's in there but there's an allotment that that's somewhat liquid that you could use in in specific things it may be something that we consider it maybe a CH and this is a different conversation but it may be something that we continue we and and my recommendation from like a financial perspective is if we decide to bond the roads okay well now we potentially have this 1.5 million that we've been funding we can take and put money every year in our budget to fund these trusts for R days so we could create an ambulance A specialized ambulance trust earning a whopping 2% but it's still earmarked whether we say okay we're going to put $10,000 a year towards ambulance we're going to put x amount of money towards this we can create these specialized trusts that are only for those um it item so it's something to consider as we grow and as we can continue to go on that we might want to consider doing something like that we were doing that well back in my other position me and Carl would do that we would actually look at the ambulance and say let's throw 20,000 over here we're really not going to spend it but and then once the ambulance got total unfortunately that up but we were we were trying to get half the money down by the time we needed one yeah but that's back M only cost 50 not 400,000 so and I I think that one for the cemetery that trust I think a lot of that's dedicated to like land that position so that's also part of that that's that's that's that so you just can't go in raid this thing no no not we're not trying to do that if we can grab one or two pieces out of there right that's it I don't want to see Cemetery in front of me next year looking to go in that trust again this is a once in a lifetime H at least while I'm sitting here okay car away yeah that would be great because I got what uh I just did the math yesterday today is Tuesday m yeah so I have 72 hours to find out before the guy walks off the door I have a countdown clock in my head everything I have to get done well true yeah it is actually showed up today with a p and pencil car was like what are you doing you can't even read your writing so had what El and W SE uh Board of Health e permitting module that's part of the 6,000 we saw on the other side to with modernizing their Department it'll save a lot yeah Library telephone system this was in last year we thought we had it figured out and it looks like we don't so it's back here again we did not Finance it just go back to the board of help yes so uh I wrote that he is applying for a shared service grant for 50k is that going to offset the no are okay yeah of that so that that's a whole so upstairs if you and you and if you have time David and I know you're busy you should go check out what's really happening up there yeah we actually have nurses now that that hit the other towns that we've never had before um and that was all done from the young lady that was previous to him and previous to the other guy Cammy Spencer I don't remember the name um she did a ton of work back in the day got that whole product up and running per se or got it financed budgeted yeah as grants and then unfortunately she had that the tone um so that's what that is and we actually the nice part about that is I think it's probably the first grant I saw or at least understand that we actually get enough money to cover some of accounting that touches it there's other departments that touch that and we you know we get a grant and then you throw it to county and say administer it gotta go and and there's no time for it like it's just one more layer of BS for them but that Grant actually has got funding available or money's in there that do help out part of the Departments which was nice to see for once yes lady you got that look on your face no you're good all right back up so they okay with the 3500 lawnmower yes okay yes it's just the way it's got to go through the system now which I will explain to her tomorrow I thought it was a yes but I yeah my only question and don't is do we put that under do we put it so we do we put it under the special because she's got it in her account technically but she doesn't have you know we can't approve that so we put it under the special after Tom meeting she's allowed to buy that versus waiting for July 1 right so I think that's where that needs to go so that will if her she doesn't have to wait till July 2 you follow me y yes which is only a couple weeks away right but it is it's it's right on the corner everything is I can see it okay so the telephone so you're good Laura you're up to date we're good for telephones shed at Wally Park 4,000 so it's used it will be used by US for the chairs um and it's used for rotary for their concert series I personally think they y' should chip in a little bit um and I just don't know where ugly shed is going look good at well that's with all the beautiful block and everything that's done nice up there yeah um so what are your thoughts folks when you say uh multiple people should contribute who are you talking about nonprofits I meany does use that facility up there um they do a 10 concert series through the summer yeah basically what happens is that they need chairs the chairs the chairs come out here yeah yeah so they have so the maintenance people have to load the pickups up Lo the chairs up there do the event then L the chairs back and forth it gets kind of redundant so this right here if you had a shed up there they could just now well so so two different worlds right the rotary does some folks do bring chairs and there is some there but what they're getting at is the the pro um who knows what's going to happen this year but last year there was a lot of events up there that the town put on so that's think where the chairs come in up play I just don't know where a $4,000 shed is going appropriately and I and I hearded they're gonna one minute they're going to build it one minute it's a kit that we're going to build I I don't I don't know so it's up to you guys where do you stay with the sh David David is speechless for once I don't believe that come on get in there I mean so so that's the whole driver is the logging chairs each event but there is I mean which events they got a ccer series there's gonna be a lot of those yeah and and they do that's not it well that's part of it but they also the us as a town through our park and recck Department all summer have events up there at least they did last year they got some grants and they had the I I don't know what can I say the clowns and the petting zoo and animals of that nature the up yes yeah supposedly they would stay up there for the summer until they need him here they then they got to L him back anyways back here so we won all time for a set period and then just bring them back case something needs to be clean too you know I mean it doesn't bother me either way well that's just on gravel I just don't how but it's you know shter building another [Music] by4 with SH oh no I get it I got windows and why don't we wait another season and see I'm not following how many weeks the shed has been used it sounds like it's a part time April May so may probably June July August September at the most yeah and during that time they would the chair would stay in we don't know that for sure see that's what like they're gonna be going back and forth anyway what are we what are we doing well we're getting paid to move chairs yeah if it's redundant it's redundant patching pot is redundant but we got to do it every Dam day so I don't I'm so sorry yeah I'm not sold on the said no no I get it it doesn't bother me if we drop it okay so we're here for the CH sure some more market research unless the rotary wants to chip in oh absolutely yeah when that get a shed going up there we're just not going to fund it right and it would make sense if you have a shed to put to buy shairs that St permanently because yeah no absolutely right right yeah the stage stays up season up there that should be put away every time they have an event it's not and I know it's it's a heavy it's a it's a nightmare I get it but um they got a garage up there too that's full of equipment so they had a little cleaning party maybe put the chairs over there still have to move them and right next to thebo yeah oh yeah there's they're on racks now okay no sh channel 15 restructure to cover it and broadcast computer equipment infrastructure puts on all standard request so that comes out of the it money we get for channel 15 from Comcast Y and as we move forward with this whole uh uni fiber I guess yeah un yeah I'll never say that again um that'll always that'll probably end up going down as years go on when we go to that direction so they'll probably have a new version of that funding source I expect that yeah you aren't you on the are you on the committee for that not you're not okay increase grinder pump maintenance 30,000 was went up to 6 was that the maintenance or was that bu new ones to get [Music] us get not going to be [Music] standard SO3 is the standard asking so that's a standard 30 so it changed from Saturday when no no we'll see it again as a as a we should see it account number just begin with a six and [Music] the oh not same one the number right there it's a little it's a little harder to search on the side so it's request is 60 so should do 60 30,000 it's an increase of 30 but really just the way we do Capital we okay I don't have a problem 10,000 do 10 get them an extra yeah okay it does like one not a half a one or something I think they'll make it work in life okay y make that 10 LA or do whatever you do on your world add to it and then Hydra replacement standard standard when you standard last year hydrant Replacements uh they didn't spend anything says 2023 is zero and zero they ask 10 water department the second page under Capital One in the middle they asked for 10 still haven't spent the money and now they want 20 why can't they just be happy with the 10 they haven't even used it in two years y i'me if there's an issue that can come right right leave it at the 10 y that's fine you get thater yeah refurbishing was supposed to get back I thought I thought we didn't need it right it keeps appearing no no I just I didn't I don't think we ever got an answer actually they were yeah he was hoping he had the answer from the [Music] yeah w stand can we just check the grinder pump yeah last year [Music] 27 like we said it can always come back in right if something catastrophic happens and fly over edate um I'm tight on my SW right not line item I'm going to be close to it but I got money on another line item that has in construction I listening to the police department being able to grab monies here and there and kind of make things work so that's capital so it's a no noal okay okay doll right or come back to us if they spend it all right they can do a reserve fund transfer I because it's water and sewer I don't think oh they must be every why not it's just different than our general General pod right it's still yeah we' have okay we'll look it all right so we'll leave it like we did it okay and the well we talked about we're going to wait and see what the email comes back for next week yeah so that is it for the I'd like to pull up the police department I just one if you go to the DPW Mach the boxes Capital roll off truck you're in 2016 okay um it's running I talked to Randy Brown today he does have he does two two quotes they're well north of $300,000 so just to update that figure that 280 so so 300 they're over they're over 300 right now so that'll be coming up next year 26 so just if you want to just pencil in with that 280 scratch that out for 300 over 300 just you know for say I 320 yeah probably [Music] oh see go to our service dep be biging my whole by well we can throw you in one of the boxes on the way out cost us nothing all right so let's go the police all right there all right so Reserve training uh I met with the chief and discussed it with them there's room in that number not number the 47448 reserve training uh for p got it Department salaries so um I'll be cautious I'd like to see us shave 10,000 out of there I think we could go 20 but I don't want to do that but I think we can save 10 there okay I know we can save and that's pretty much all I saw there you know as a whole we've never really played with L and fire we've never um we've never discussed it with them we' kind of whatever they say we we do as a whole MH but I did reach out to him over that and uh he was comfortable with that okay as he told me he had gone ju yeah but we didn't have discussion so that's what I got you saw that all yeah I notated it because yeah those will be to beated okay go and that's been settled so those be modified we I kep the room to L so it's good um you're gonna be here by yourself yeah so that took care of L's um paperwork she gave us yeah so I would like to go right back to the the front of our book again right to the front let's just take a few seconds on each page and just kind of look at the numbers and go back see if anything jums out at BS yeah but I'm not even saying we find anything I'm just you know and I'm missing pages in mine so my book isn't it will be tomorrow Dr so I don't have cler you know is a mess so we not going to touch that cler Capital so there's 7,000 in there so the capital so the capital is is going to be um the walls we put 7,000 in there for engineering and design work which you really didn't need okay so I would like to make that 25,000 and that should cover the windows the walls whatever we end up moving these people so I'm sorry we're back to the first page and undertown cl Capital first page the last last row we budgeted 7,000 last year to do design work which we didn't have um me and um what's your name oh Paul Paul um me and so me and Paul you see them CER staring with you for five minutes and going what is it what is put it please next we all mean that um so we went and we looked and we come up with a million different ways to move that room and right now we're looking at we split treasure collector clerk my gut feeling is they work together for two months and figure out who needs who but Laura has been making Headway with the firm that we hired to kind of separate that so I think Laura and and them kind of have some ideas figured out as far as Staffing goes so at the end of the day they have to be separated so it's treasure collector and Clerk or whichever way that goes at one point we were going to go into the assessors and move the assessors further down into the closet in the back there um now the talk is dpw's office that's off the selectman's office for the left where the water is for years they've been trying to move them down to DPW and the the political stance at the time didn't uh probably wasn't game for it so things have changed upstairs um and there's a little bit of movement there so if that should happen then the assessors would end up in DPW okay so now all of a sudden we don't need walls as much and we don't need what we were looking at before um I think 25,000 is way too much but as I've learned with on government but I can build a food before we can't and it is what it is so that's why I like 205 not that they're going to spend it all but that gives us a number that we're comfortable with and even that lower if you can put a little parentheses in your paperwork special next to it but I would love that to go to the special just so it's available to start before July 1 right you you can start at any time yeah yeah and I know that's a Carl thing but it if he's not here we need to have it to remember thank you all right so it's the first page di are you keeping up okay oh wait a minute we like stop that that's true thanks David all right so trure collector that's all the capital items as far as talking about um tax title is tax title stage Sal okay operations like get moved historical budget is 760 um it is what it is level funded econ development um website Hardware software they moved it so did we stay with the 350 in their Laura and then put the 1650 below it so they're still at the 2,000 right that's what we have yeah okay thank you um that's so to planning board planning board was simple it's level funded and they don't they seem to use their money that they're not there's no room Town account so that is for this master plan is what they're hoping so selectman's office and the planning board are trying to figure out when the master plan is done who's in charge of it or or when the paperwork is done right the booklet the Bible is done someone who's going to try to enforce that or try to that's that's what they spend all the time on to move to whatever Direction they want to move in so the 1500 they felt was enough to get that process started they don't know what it looks like yet in seing by last night's meeting selman's office I don't think they really understand who will be moving that forward it'll be either planning or selectman or a morph version of both so that's what that is for yep [Music] confence travels a little high lower but you said you guys are hoping to get your how the CO's over and all the craziness is over right you're going to get moving on some more conferences never have enough not and the othered accounts we talked about and services we talk about capitalist accounting they don't need a new typewriter computer system computer training going to step that which year the change un man service provider that's a line item that's probably going to end up getting more and more as we move forward with technology I think you're going to see us sub out most of that especially retirement in the police department of their it guy is retiring I'm not quite sure where that's going to head you know that may end up being more outsourced [Music] serviceses the upgrade the website's a nightmare Capital it's to be determined it says one minute it's okay but one minute we can't put any more on it supposedly it's and honestly it's an antique versus what's out there in you know yeah so that we'll be looking at in the future salaries we touch late management I'm on we still even though it's a level funded just kind of looking down the left side there and just seeing if that's a few pennies left that maybe we can take from them nicely we all heard about how mornings are built [Music] ORS week before we talked about that split three ways um the 5,000 is in there every time and spent 6,000 last [Music] year capital [Music] yeah DPW we're gonna look at next week you with water yeah going on there yeah yeah so I don't know how we're going do with them next year but I want to add a not a line item but maybe a spot where any Department that receives grants I'd like to know what they're getting in Grant because so next up is Council on Aging right Council on Aging has a very minimal budget if you look at it which is next it's level funded but they do a lot of gr which is great we don't want to touch that but it'd be nice to know when you look at something to know that they're working hard and they brought in 40,000 a year in Grants so I just think and Laura of course last minute did one for me on Saturday sorry Laura I did not see Alita handed to me at the end of the day said oh this is for you says Jo on it on the bottom yes yeah and I I apologize I appreciate all the work you done for me Laura came in on her day off she just for me I BW it oh well it happens all right so yeah so so councel agent same thing right there there's they do a great work with grants and even I believe Park and wck too you know the way they move forward the funding they're going to be doing a lot funded what's that if you can use chat GP to raise who what chat GPT [Laughter] when I if you hear that who I I've done gr writing over the last few years on my nonprofit site it's I I'm terrible at highly [Music] Rec [Music] yeah I look through it I mean they're pretty good you know they never have enough money there in it those um so they do they do spend it if you look down it they spend every pen they've gone over on a few things lock project they want but go the what project the lock project for the doors up there yeah so that is funded that so it's it's been funded they have it under revolving account and I don't know why they didn't pull the trader yet it was one minute it was the the Wi-Fi so certain volunteers could go on their phone and unlock the bathroom um that's not going to happen so it did go back to the other method it's sitting there right maybe because there's no management right now in parking wre I don't know but it's funded and they should have been done and I know too much okay [Music] Department so I have a lot of movement between line they dos level around yeah yeah they are um could you send them email for at least no I'm not will not everybody she understands could you ask them what medical requirements I'd see they didn't spend any last year it's um 521 908 oh yeah just want to know what it is that's all I'm not trying to cut it just would love to know what [Music] it oxygen yeah I was just looking at that too same thing they put in a thousand but they let's do it so 542 401 yeah what's that yeah those lines 2020 has B yeah yeah that's what I didn't go that far back but yes thank you yeah I mean it's not a lot but yeah like like I said we don't try to be police and fire but when I see something that's obvious we have didn't ask we're not doing our job y well no the oxygen we I mean they they have to use it they're doing it they're just not pulling out of that account okay right that's what I'm getting at like do we need that account low is gonna say yes you need a c don't take them away they have to stay [Music] but right but if they're come if they're pulling it out of medical requirements something right then you don't need it there and that account seems fine so we'll just yeah just clean it up ask [Music] Y what about the um SCBA units airax they have to replace their packs so they're waiting this year to replace them um yeah they probably just haven't got them or whatever because they asked for increase that we graciously gave them yeah was at the um where are you at the bottom fire department Capital yeah so yeah yeah [Music] rules talk about ask me to yeah and so once again and it's not you know but it's coming up 26 28 15,000 15 16,000 40,000 40,000 yeah yeah also what is it now 2024 okay of engine 130 750 just the 100,000 of that right and then also under the SCBA cylinders just the actual cylinder right they're $2,000 for those cylinders for the air packs not the pack just so little pricing yeah yeah I just ridiculous that is the $8,000 [Music] see it again and they're using it yes y so that's fine leaving a thousand they're not using their confidence in travel but they did reduce it so they're still looking for conf and TR run EMS correct yes yeah actually it's actually the same account 401 on the fire department shows zero and you got a 54241 under Ems for oxy andat right and they use it so right just a different or same different em yeah that normal work have this same line item on the two different either way right so we see right okay ask yeah just can you repeat the question you already have it you already have it under Fire about the for the oxygen yeah didn't if you use an extinguisher on fire truck technically should be charge your absolutely and then oxygen refill oygen tanks for the Ando should be under EMS but they're all under one it's being used on one the other way it's not subtracting on the other side yeah up what about just the General Supply 9,000 4000 109 yeah but they only Ed $641 so far this year yeah [Music] 5423 yeah um I wouldn't touch it no okay well so I guess sometimes they get a lot of stuff from the um Hospital not every time but not all the time so they're leaving it there a yeah they try to supplement it when they can and it's expensive stuff so all that is yeah ridiculous yeah take a ride in so much [Music] toes that's [Music] go they don't need 20,000 that correct Melissa not for 25 not for [Music] 25,000 under under bcba first page under Fire the very first page under Fire she's got 20,000 for this year they're going to this year and then be replaced this year correct okay so then that so Joe that 20,000 that we were discussing they need or this year or fix capital 9 no not Capital so page one fire department oh yeah sorry Capital Down Under Fire Department Capital units so they don't need so that 20,000 for FY 25 comes down to zero okay so they're gonna buy them this year see 25 it's 20,000 now on your very first page will you have your note with question mark they aren't taking that 20,000 for 25 well capitals usually don't get financed every year anyways right right yeah so we didn't catch that all right so we all need to do removed it off of the list last minut yeah clarify with thank you everyone Thanks for catching that okay you put the 20,000 um okay let's we will finish tonight at cultural Council how's that okay okay we and so stays because it's three cycle yes yes so the nice part two is certain departments literally don't spend their money right so we could cut that and didn't worry about the year but she doesn't it doesn't get burned away so it goes to free cash at the end you know so the tighter we get the tighter the free cash gu when after the year so it's a double edge sword he's new numbers are right there commity preservation [Music] EMP conservation the increase and we left the supply and um GL funded is nice to see watching their meetings I didn't that the [Music] library what's [Music] that electricity was an area that um it looks like there's some room in that number yeah they talked about that too at one point um but they're fuel so I would like to see us take maybe 2,000 out of the electric account and put it in the fuel account because as we know fuel's not getting lowered and the electric the same because we insulated and did a few things over there over the years Y and that's what we're seeing does that work for you Laura okay increas talked about, in the informational material yeah what's up busy place I haven't been on there in a little while we were over there fore it was Library yeah good yeah it was nice to see so do you want me to send out um I will forward it tomorrow to Elizabeth and then she will send it out to everybody I just like doing it that way because it's clean it's simple and um no one can say we're breaking any laws not that they are but I just want to St all that stuff yep any questions folks happy with it well party words are parting words are just uh vote to um approve the fy20 budget request as we discussed okay oh look at you look look at that so we need a motion to approve the FY 2025 budget request as discussed for the make the motion I'll second okay all those favor I Cony I Sheron I Robert thank you folks you can have a you can keep fing it out I really do do I only learn that the last few years have one motion to meeting second favor Sher have a great night