we will open up the planning board meeting for Tuesday April 9th 2024 this is being conducted in a hybrid manner pursuant to the general laws if anybody is reporting that is fine you just need to let us know all right seeing none um we will be recording this and we will be posting it online for everyone to view as well uh 7 o'clock Town planners report thank you very much Mr chair uh the board this evening uh the first I'll that I'll start with will be uh clue Lake mon Street um two Lake mon Street was a novelty to me discussed last meeting because it was going to be a special permit for um the alteration expansion of a non-conforming structure but within its own foundation so people tripping that threshold in our existing bylaw um for residents uh amongst other certain requirements and parameters that we were considering at the time uh however I've learned that the structure including its foundation was fully demolished um and thus that particular project requires uh the filing with variances uh various requests for the various setbacks um and usually when they do that they clean up I'm going to call it the non-conforming a lot as well to give the landowner full uh authorization presumably to build this residential structure so the bottom line is uh once all those variances are in place uh that denotes conformance on zoning and we will not be seeing that I want to clear that up for everyone if anybody chose to follow up on that over at the former in and Nursery I've entertained a few uh discussions um from interested folks to establish essentially what be a restaurant they wish to do so by bringing an immobile food establishment and having it um and was say uh soled the site such a fashion that it had the necessary permanent facilities um to pass certain items uh that site as I would consider it with the exception of a curb cut essentially would be a blank slate in that scenario uh and thus would need um full permitting uh and sight plan um submittal to be prepared and provided um so that was I'm going to say a little bit of a hiccup in um in terms of the plans at least as I'm interpreting um that and as I was speaking to the perspective applicants but just the heads up to what might be coming down a those there I also had the opportunity to sit down and speak with the gentleman today regarding the former uh Pioneer Barry uh the discussion ranged across a rather wide array of possibilities including potentially looking at zone changes uh including one to Dr to allow for some mixed use um at that particular piece of property the naison corporation has begun initial work over at the Hudson Drive uh solar facility uh this is currently in our uh building permit system comes across my desk uh for a review whether or not all the requirements have been satisfied according to that proposal uh let any board members may recall that there are a number of coordination items related to decommissioning uh related to uh sharing information with Board of Health DPW conservation and fire department for um isus and related substances that would be pertinent to its location within the Wellhead Protection District and so on and so forth so I would call the um requirements prior to the issuance of a building permit uh a number of those are outstanding we're working through them right now um but I want to give everyone a heads up that the project um Essen is on the top of beginning let's see what what else that's all that's coming to me that exhausts my list okay all right um 7:05 PM public comment anybody have anything for the board tonight that is not on the agenda okay 710 p.m. public hearing continued for 662a college Mr chair we have received a continuance request for this evening there 30 days that's not to our meeting um so yes the way to do it would probably be well how does may run I we have May 7th and 2088 thank you why don't we bog it to is there anything on seven nothing committed for the seven so do I hear a motion to continue public hearing for 662 a college pway through 7:10 p.m. on May davea so moved singer second I Dave Spina I got singer ey David Su i j i okay what do we have to do on um the discussion [Music] item we just have to send over a memo that says that thumbs up thumbs down essentially yes I have there's the microphone um I do have a report provided uh from DPW to their inspection um we happen to leave that in um if necessary and I would look for the board to make a motion to POS recommendation recommend you acceptance of town we could write up a memorandum um outlining the motion all right um [Music] so high points surfice 2016 ft wide side 100 ft in diameter both measurement criteria [Music] um don't know how thick a layer was installed but the p is 3 and half in minimum Road surf in fair condition 2in Mill and overlay is appropriate repair to minimize for the road deterioration side off on one side of a Cory none on P need replace any don't need AA standards and there's a few that are have some repairs needed gr system appeared to be operating properly figure our issue trees I know I'm clear they all them were supposed to be some died or not replaced or that's correct there's some um yeah the loot management plan I guess that needs to be Let's see we got to let we deal with that also the development but you just got to you got to do better with the sort of stuff like that figure out a better process agre didn't deserve any property hands are bounds and has provided regular maintenance over years take a look at it but I think those are the high points was there anything else that jumped to you when you read it nope um I forget if he mentioned that we did receive an asilt plan um actions potentially coming out of uh an approval of the war article that'll be before the town uh in May would include uh certain survey follow-up items to develop descriptions um specific to how that subdivision meets um whether that South longard through there and Grado Circle okay all right so all in all seems to be in decent shape nothing too significant um to accept it which they're maintaining it anyways this is true um you might as well get the statutory money for so okay um do I hear a um and I'll let that go down mean just scri you want to take a look at it before we do it um um but I just wanted to read it in in part because Dick it's onl so um I read in the highs uh but do I hear a um motion to recommend acceptance uh recommend to the select board right to the select board it's kind of go right or is it just for this meeting meeting it doesn't have to go to the SL board first cor we'll give them a courtesy Cy theend the recommendation to be put on the warrant um so do I hear a motion to recommend um have a PL board recommendation be put on the town warrant for the acceptance of the Corey drive and Cy Lane as Town Lane I said Cody Cory drive and Cody L yes da move second vity I Dave SP I sing I David Su I yes the th and I okay what did I say c um all right 7:15 public hearing Oak Ridge Estates at Mor Bing Road definitive Sun division plan and storm water management application okay come on off how are you st good how you guys good evening I'm Steve salvini for salvini associates I'm here tonight with Terry Reynolds Who's online and he is a professional engineer and the designer for the definitive subdivision plan here and I are both here representing o Bridge custom home builder is the applicant and B sh is the proprietor of that let me um before you get into it let me just read in the notice AB um and then I'll let John do you have anything electronic absolutely so I'll get let him get started um all right so notice of public hearing Tuesday April 9 2024 7:15 p.m. via zoom and in the land use hearing room 454 College Highway notice is hereby given pursuant to Master General Law chapter 41 section 81t Master General Law chapter 40a section 11 and under chapter 315 of the town of South with bylaws at the planning board will hold a hybrid public hearing on Tuesday April 9 2024 at 7:15 p.m. vium in at Town Hall 454 College Highway South Mass on an application by Oak Ridge custom home builders Inc for a definitive sub plan definitive subdivision plan and storm water management permit for property located at Mort mining Road zone are 40 the property is shown on current assessor map 165 parcel 1.1 Zoom information is provided the applicant proposes to create a 28 lot subdivision in accordance with the bylaws of the town of southw chapters 183 185 and 315 details regarding the application may be reviewed by contacting the town planner John G at his phone or email any person interested or wishing to be heard on this matter should appear at the time and place designated mik Authority chairperson South planning board okay Mr s the floor is yours okay thanks for getting rid of mr's face there close up um what I think I'd like to do is just we came in with the preliminary plan uh just go over review of that there are minor changes very minor to that so it is substantially the same plan and John if you could flip to the uh the overall if I could if you you could so recall the properties on the east side of Mor Vining Road uh just north of the Connecticut line the original property was 82 Acres yes and we have subsequently taken off some anr Lots so the total parcel is around 76 Acres that we're doing um you can see that Mar Ving road is here and uh we have a proposed barane that comes around the L out off of that we have three small C sacks there are 27 28 Lots in the subdivision all the lots are there's a couple there are 60,000 right on the money but everything else is larger than the minimum requirement of 60,000 ft all of them have large pointage so uh the other is that we have three storm Water Management areas one storm water one storm water 2 and then storm water 3 is right here um the only changes that they made with this were for lot 17 18 19 and I think 20 where when they did the perk test they kind of drifted a little bit so we had to modify the sidelines of those lots to accommodate for per test changing Frontage and those lots are still way above the minimum requirements so that's basically the the review of what we went through and some of that you probably all remember um we just received the comments back from different departments and haven't had a chance to digest that yet for this meeting oh right and uh and to return the favor I sent uh our I sent the uh our waiver requests oh to you um and I don't know if you want to go over those now or you want to review them and do this at another time yeah I would put it you know it go over through everything even if it's just high level tonight and so that um we get a sense and we can kind of right look more at what we need to look at and folks here can hear it sure we didn't really want to address the comments because understood okay thank you yeah okay y so um the first uh waiver request would be for uh the requirement is one Benchmark per every five acres um which is kind of old school and I might have been a little snarky in my response because surveying technology is Advanced faster than the pace of regulatory changes so one Benchmark for five AC it it it's better to have two per Street uh from a surveyor standpoint rather than one for every five acres uh divide that by into 76 and how many benchmarks you going have out there to be kind of silly so with today's technology you don't need that many benchmarks to do what we have to do um the second one is uh for covenants deed easements and restrictions applying to the area proposed to be subdivided we request to defer the requirement to a point prior to getting a building permit once the plan is we don't want to get deed restrictions and Covenants recorded and un place prior to the subdivision being approved so once it's approved unless I'm misreading or misinterpreting it uh once the once the subdivision is approved then we would go forward with recording all the covenants and easements and all that sort of stuff in my mind it seems to make make sense but you guys can make that choice yeah and that's um we could figure that out but that we that's what we were just kind of talking about is is we got to sort of improve that process in the bylaw itself but we can you know probably have it in the decision in any decision to sort of set out what that process is um at least for your subdivision whether there are changes when we go forward but um just get some sort of certainty and that does kind of make sense um um at least in my mind so but we'll play through that and and get a reasonable process um the other one was for sidewalks we talked about this before uh instead of having sidewalks on both sides we're going to put sidewalks on the outside of the road so you'll have a sidewalk somebody can actually walk the entire perimeter of the road um on the outside mean top basically as you look at this plan so it would start here and go up around and follow the outside of the road rather than and then this becomes you know waste of time we'd have heck of a lot of sidewalk or somebody coming out just cross and they can walk the whole subdivision on one side balk and just eliminating a sidewalk on the interior portion okay that's the idea yep understood um this one is kind uh the the requirement regulation 315- 12b requires plan scales at 1 equal 40 um and we have't 1 equal 60 so you have a you can see more of the Lots if we did one in equals 40 and somebody's looking at the plan they wouldn't know where they were in the in the general location of it because the lots are so big when equ was 40 would it wouldn't look good so one equals 60 we can get more of the Lots on one sheet there are four sheets for the definitive plan so we can get lots that shows where those are in the world relative to the subdivision uh Center Line staking we're looking to get that way because the the road have been cleared of trees already and there's no major grade changes we have cuts and pills but nothing really extraordinary so you can literally go out there and walk the road where it's cleared and that's where the road's going to go so just trying to I don't know save time and money and if we don't have to stake it out you can still you can still basically walk the street see where it is okay all right okay the the other one is the open space and in in the print out I I copied the open space uh section 315- 18 for definitive and it says the planning board shall require a plan showing a park or Parks suitable be located for playground or Recreation purposes or for providing light and air the park shall not be unreasonable in area in relation to the land being subdivided and to the prospective uses of such land the board May appropriate May the board May bu appropriate endorsement on the plan require that no building be erected on such Parker Parks without approval for per three years the big one is the next sentence a suggested formula of 10% of the total land area not including Wetlands is how your regulation States for the size and then uh no grades in excess of 25% so what we had talked about before was that we made very large Lots lot lot number four uh that goes off of uh County Road is 11.2 Acres 11.3 Acres rounded Lot 21 has 7.24 Acres which is off of Stellar on the south end and then lot 26 has 3.19 Acres um and in stormw water basin 1 we have the total area of six acres then we took out the wetlands and what was left for an open space calculation was 3.72 Acres so that one little open space we want to put in some birdhouses and we had talked I think Marcus at the time it suggested putting benches in so you could sit and watch it which makes sense um but that 3.7 two acres is almost half it's 48% of the 76 Acres so with just that one little one little spot we have half of it and then the rest of those large lots are basically going to yeah but they're not protected I mean they're I understand yeah um what would you say the percentage is if it's not 10% What's the total do we know what the total percentages if it's not meeting the% well it' be 7.6 Acres it's 76 Acres so 10% would be 7.6 Acres no but what that's it just a little under half right but as we had discussed at the preliminary we felt that by creating larger Lots not going with the uh flexible but we wanted to create larger Lots which giv everybody more elbm which gives everybody the sense of openness and it's just our feel that we think that would be sufficient and that's for you guys to mull over and discuss um I'll go to the next one yeah I'm not yeah I know you're not answering that you're just you're digesting um the next one is section 31526 for shade trees requesting a waivering reduction of the size from 4inch caliber down to a 2inch caliber now I know there's a landscape architect here and but I also grew up my grandfather had a nursery and so I bald and Burl out a lot of trees and uh I think a 4-inch tree a smaller tree will take better it's easier to transplant a larger tree larger ball and sometimes they get little root bound whatever um and we just think that a smaller tree has a better chance of survival than the larger tree does when you're transplanting and again that's uh you can discuss that with you're resident professional okay and the last one is my bad I didn't pick up on this I should have the uh the project in the Swip is broken into phases Phase 1 two 3 and four and I didn't show them on the plan so when we come back in again which we will be I will have those different phases shown on the plan but essentially what he wants to do is make sure I got this right pH one would be coming in up here to Max drive so you've got these Lots here phase two would be up into Stellar Drive phase three would be along to here to a point somewhere here and then the last pH would be out and around all right that'll be clearly delated on the plan when we come back in but what that leads us to is a waiver for the bond instead of a bond on the total property i''d like to just get a bond on the phases as they come along and that is the risk of the waivers does that mean there's the the street light waiver that was called um yeah crap forgot that well we'll be back so I'll add that waiver in on the next one but we're basically going to look for a waiver for the uh none of the other subdivisions have Street lighting along them so and Out in the Country there would look kind of silly but this one lit up like a you know uh uh Randy Brown director DPW is asking for lighting at the intersection um and maybe we could compromise I I was suggesting to Val a little while ago that he's probably going to have a sign up that says o States you know and if that sign is lit up and then a sign on the south entrance same thing lit up uh because I don't think the people across the street are going to want a street light there I mean that's a that's how there aren't no there aren't any street lights out so so all of a sudden all all our streets in town have a have a street light at the intersection for a reason okay to highlight the intersection itself oh that's a that's a pretty racy thoroughfare right there I live on Mor Vining okay oh um well it's technically not in the waiver request um fair enough um good point okay all right um anything else Steve before we um no unless Terry has something he wants to chime [Music] in D wa oh there is um I'm I'm here if anybody has any questions if you want me to go over any of the storm water any of the other uh aspects I'm glad to do that all right [Music] um do we have comments on the storm water we do what do we have coms storm water we have Board of Health feedback saying they have they a favorable recommendation and then comments from my desk and I have uh information to share as can be through me from the uh all the fire department [Music] say all right so you all set I am okay and obviously you can jump in after there's things you need to comment on but um all right so comments we have Board of Health discuss the project of the meeting on April 4th given the lot sizes and completion of per test for all 28 lots of favorable recommendation was given for the project so that's [Music] um these comments are what was sent over to St that they're going to address okay as well as these yes okay all right um are the same things or do you have it's there overlap maybe May some coin trying to and being thorough yeah yeah I think you're right I'm sorry I something I did it wrong okay all right [Music] um I'm going to just give the size of um they're available if anybody wants to look at them I'm going to defer on them we'll talk about them in depth just so that it I think it's I think it's um more productive to discuss them with you're having opportunity to look at them and process them and have feedback on them and then we we can have a more intelligent discussion rather than me just reading them into the record so since we're probably going to be doing that anyways when you have your response to them um we'll just kind of do it one time rather than multiple times um but C if it's okay I'd like to you know work you know and coordinate with Randy on on his comments and um there's a little back and forth to go there oh no absolutely and you know I suspect um a good CH will probably be resolved before the next meeting um and so um you know but we'll we'll sort of do a more thorough review of the comments and responses and what's been resolved next meeting and that'll you know rather than sort of repeating it twice um but that that would be my expectation a lot of those will be as well um all right but but I what I was going to say is anybody obviously who wants to look at them they're available at the town planner's office um you know the board has access to them as well so um all right anything from the board no okay um any uh Town officials have any questions or comments um all one second sir are you a town official or no okay I'm sorry behind you oh yeah yeah I'm I join property hold on one second let me just make sure that there's no one uh Town officials here yeah I'm sorry you're sitting right in front of me and I just looking behind you um je go ahead Economic Development Al this wouldn't pertain to economic development but I do have concerns or question is is the diameter of the CX large enough to accommodate a full School Bus turn around for the full School Bus they meet the minimum requirements under the subdivision control yeah [Music] um I mean I would first of all I would prer that the school bus would probably pull in at one entrance and loop out back onto Mort Vining to then head back the chance tax for two three houses I mean that just seems unlikely for anyone but I they here's what I was going to say is I mean Fire's looking at it for the ability of fire trucks to move around there I suspect it's going to have some degree of crossover with school bus if a fire truck can have maneuverability there but I brought up that point because I've been Associated or witnessed development that go in where the school buses have to park out on the street because and then all students have to come out of the walk out of the development just to get to the school uh to the school bus they lower in and but then it's backing back out into traffic and whatnot and just as a point for you know Implement weather you got four four or five houses couple of kids you know 2.3 kids 1.5 coming out and they have to tr you know Travers from the end of the toac to get to the bus and that was my only point to no understood and and to be fair I suppose I don't know the rules on um right like kindergarten um those obviously are much more um they stop much more frequently there's not as much walking that is allowed for kindergarten students I don't know yeah I would imagine a school bus we have the lub so the school bus would just go around kids that's what it would do right but um but all right um any other um Town officials have comments Mr chair if I may relay uh Chief Theo's initial comment uh so he continue he and his team continue to work through uh the development of formal comments but they did want to share that uh two fire sists are likely to be uh required U for this particular subdivision in order to provide adequate resources given the number of houses and the location just there a a question up you come up Nicholson Hill Road there's a dirt isn't there a sign there is this fire pound some is there a fire pound down here no the I did inquire about other resources that may be nearby other shared resources uh the only ones within I'm going to call it a a reasonable distance are dedicated to those specific so as we go further towards Nicholson Beyond call it the range distance yeah okay and that's been just so you know it's been pretty consistent with any new subdivisions that have been approved they've wanted sisters in there and within the development yeah so is what it is I um I will be coordinating with the fire chief on that there are I call it there's a developing picture ultimately in sub regulations they have the authority um to dictate PR so on so forth there's developing a picture of how they would like to um see these managed so I'll give all those details as I have yeah absolutely anything else from that's it for the moment um any other Town officials all right any public comments sir just a name and address before you speak I'm concerned about the run off just your name and address please7 and what's your address 64 East Street gramy Connecticut okay thank you go ahead and uh my property ad join that and the water is going to run down here I was wondering if they're going to have any retention fonds or something to slow the water FL down in uh just so that I can in what direction is your property on the South Side just just he owns a sliver between the property in Connecticut okay he actually in Connecticut but yeah yeah okay if you want to call up the plan again John I can show them I I can go over that if You' like oh go Ahad yeah you got it can I share my screen sure sure Terry yeah go for it I didn't tell I didn't give the privilege there we go how about not there all right okay so this is the grading erosion control plan and so basically this the sub the subdivision it has a complete storm water system that basically has three bio retention basins one here one here and one here um and basically the the way it currently runs off the land is the water comes across and ends up coming down in the lowland area through these wetlands and discharges down here um so this has been designed so that there's no increase in any of these Southern points are up through the 100-year event um so basically everything that's collected in the roadways are sent into the bio retention basins here and here and here um and then any overflow comes out and runs Overland through the Wetland like it did originally um and this has all been evaluated one of um Randy Brown's comments was that um didn't go quite large enough on the Storm event um in Southwick you require it to evaluate up to the 90% of the very highest range of a 100-year event um so that has been done and re re-evaluated so that we are assured that um no increase in runoff is going to happen with this as a matter of fact it'll be decreased once the development is complete all right um any other public comments w see anything okay um anything else from the board before we move this to another date um time frame for you to get stuff responded to what do you think Terry um I've addressed most comments already okay so we'll go for the next available meeting okay uh which would be the 23rd that's correct and at the moment 771 College highways are only all right so why don't we put this at 710 so do I hear a motion to continue the public hearing for um oakd Estates at Mor Ring Road to 17 7:10 p.m. on April 23rd daa so move singer I second I will do a roll call vote like majority I daa I singer I David Su I Jessica and I all right thank you all have a good night all right 7:30 public hearing zone change petition 233 South Lumis Street everybody's FAS I'm right I'll take your time I'm not let's see uh Mr reached out to me and let me know that he was going to be uh coming in hot on this one uh seems how we are ready to proceed he's not in the room or online at the moment yeah we can go to the next one um second call if you will Fair um all right 740 public hearing proposed amendments to chapter 185 section 38 short [Music] [Music] time um notice public hearing Tuesday April 9th 2024 7:40 p.m. via zoom and in the land use hearing room 454 College Highway notice is here by given in accordance with the provision of Mass general laws chapter 48 Section 5 at the planning board will hold a hybrid public hearing on Tuesday April 9th 2024 at 7:40 p.m. via zoom and in the land use hearing room Town Hall 454 College Highway South Mas to consider amending the code of the town of South CH 185 section 38 short-term rentals including but not limited to amending a certain documentation requirements and the time frames associated with the appeal processes Zoom information is provided details regarding the proposed amendment may be reviewed by contacting the town planner John G at his phone and email any person interested or wishing to be heard on this matter should appear at the time and place do majority CH session St complain board gu and board members and members and attendance let me just set this up it's my own screen for a moment there we go okay zoom in a little bit what we have before us is we be grab for article as well as the full Redline Amendment to the bylaw as provided to the planning board by attorney Mark bin at B wison if uh it pleases the board I'm just going to go to the pertinent changes of the short-term rental bylaw very pleas please the chair I got three eyes one one um so this the justification the reason no I understand the justification for why the changes need to be made I don't understand the justification for doing it in this manner why are we not just having a warrant article to um change language in section 3813 and 3815 and be done with it why we have this old TRS I did not um anticipate entertaining such conversation however do a a very sensible uh suggestion that we pull out the specific changes and keep the uh change Ed as appears on the warrant warrant manageable that's all I mean we don't have to do this sort of as passed at the last year's annual time I mean it's passed as part of the bylaws right it's just let see if the town s vote to um Change chapter 185 section 38 go to town of souck and as follows right I mean I think that's all we have to do um no am I wrong no that makes perfect sense to me I mean that basically this exists and all we're doing is these changing in 13 and 15 and so that's all we should need to put on the war okay okay I agree I'm happy to I just want to make sure that this wasen a more suspens Mark thing that he wanted this whole thing in here like for some I cannot any reason just make sure you don't miss any of them like section 18 yeah I'm sorry I didn't say 18 but yes you're right um yeah so 13 15 18 is that right that the three triple check I mean it be easier to see actual right but I think it's 13 15 18 um okay so why don't we just go through those and then we can come back to the language and or we can figure out the Fantastic okay you're on 13 uh yes CH section 13 complaint process violations the suggested changes to the sentence begins with f finding of AAL violation Zone enforcement officer or design Shall Serve notice of the violation upon the owner of the short-term rental and file a copy of such notice for the town clerk quick be that okay um that's the same energy uh and that first rision is reflected in Item B then me move on to the process some noted concerns about the scraps with time frames so we are changing from um the F appeal we us said 14 days uh we suggest changes to 30 days for the date the decision is fed the town clerk or enforcement action is filed toor and shall be heard within 65 days receipt of the note by the board of appeals of such appeal application peti filing okay section 18 I think that needs to be just that's just part of the Warr article uh you are correct that should just be thank you I'm getting ready to Tri myself all f um all right now why don't you just swing back up to the well first of all we don't do it right now but I would say that just erase every other section that doesn't have yeah there is a revision bar at the bottom of section five I that's go back up to the top um think just needs to say and see if the town of s will vote to um amend you can you whatever you one well no you're going to need that tracking to write amend right so we can see it or no no no mind you don't need to no no because this is the war you you can accept all those okay um see if the town of sou to amend chapter 185 section 38 you can delete that whole pass why is that I going accept it you see which one came out yeah I have no idea I well I'll be blunt here uh because I just did a very quick comparison one to the other I'm sure whoever typed it up um an assisting attorney beging yeah now I've done it oh no really don't all right s farther Town authorized I think that's right right sure are not sure yes the job all right [Music] um do I hear uh or any comments on do that any comments on the board no no but thanks um any Town officials have any comments all right any uh Markus you sure this is your last chance actually no you're a member of the public now any public comments I don't question the Attorney General all right um all right do I hear a uh motion to close the public hearing Dave SPO moved take singer second a roll call vote Michael dhy I Dave Spina i d singer I David Su I I all right do I hear a motion um to to [Music] um propose a warrant article um to amend chapter 185 section 38 as uh indicated on this draft one Dave SP moved s second roll call vote mity I Dave I singer I David Sut and I Jessica th and I okay so that you go um I just Del all the nons and it go okay all right um fine that takes care of that 7:45 public hearing continued planning Board review and discussion of the sub 2040 master plan final draft consideration of its adoption could just one moment and yeah you take as much time as [Music] you well he's gonna exclude us but you give you all the time you want what's going on in that end of the table I want to know the same thing he's like I'm just ignoring everything that's probably the proper thing to do yeah you sure Rob knows he's supposed to be here you sure Rob knows supposed to be here yeah he's uh wearing a couple different hats this uh all right ladies and gentlemen I shared refresh links to the latest in greatest South 24 master and alongside that some notes that I uh developed in a review of the comments generated when Mr perier was here in person uh in December and then our subsequent uh list Provisions that we developed uh and I agre late there are a few minor um revisions I think need still to be implemented and we can talk about [Music] those um and and and I suppose the the thought would be plan board has the opportunity to move contingent upon certain uh final changes okay um your sheet that you sent around with the provisions yes was that did we talk about the first ones we only talked about them in person I with k um what's kind I feel like the chain of Rel action is what was what resonated most strongly with me do you have a um a copy of the master plan I guess a is there a revised version or it includes these or or just it's not done yet I have depending the the latest and greatest is consist what we saw about a little over two weeks ago that was shared with us um so it does not reflect those those three items that I highlighted that remained to have receive some attention so it includes everything that is in this revision list yes it has a check mark yet next to hold on and this is on me I'm looking on an iPad and computer S I can bring so I can't the notes up that's easiest yeah when I look at it I'm not seeing this is to me well that's fun yes so I apologize it's okay oh wait here we go never mind that one worked than okay the last one was doing a whole bunch of okay so it's checked it is done I was confirmed that it was and if it's not checked we need to still talk about sure or just I think we're talking about relatively minor items and I can there's one uh called deletion that I can give a full wording of all right so why don't you I think the easiest way to do this so that people can understand what the hell we're talking about is just pull up the master plan or the most revised version I guess and um let's just go to those specific things and then we can kind of have it on the screen we can look at them when they talk okay let me just go yeah I'm excited we're moving along so slly I can't close documents fast enough all right it's nice to have a plan until you get punched in the that uh okay we're sharing we are live uh so let's go to that first strategy 2.6 [Music] think it's page 46 is the2 so this one is a little nebulous this was a discussion item so we may have to back from that the one uh no the discussion develop implemented a tax incentive program for existing businesses with the aim of creating new and well-paying local employment opportunities I'm sorry I barely hear most you you guys most of the time and John said but speak hand right in front of face it's it's a you know what it is a handicap and I never speak over my computer microphone interrup let's try again if you can't if anybody can't hear just jump in that's we because we want you guys to hear so um jump in let's try it again so this particular action item uh says develop and Implement a tax incentive program for existing businesses with the aim of creating new and well-paying local employment opportunities uh the comment that was generated relates to the lead party identified um in this draft as the planning board was the opinion of the planning board that that would not be the right platform from which to launch a tax incentive program yeah I mean I think that the um P back on there [Music] um economic is is it supporting I think it's [Music] probably I mean because it's develop and Implement it's probably the select board that is the lead party on that um H I'm not even sure we need to be in there maybe where are the other ones so but we're probably a supporting party in that one I think I don't think so but I think it's select board because it's development so it's not EDC may very well have a decent role in it but it's not ultimately going to be EDC at the lead party because they can't so I would switch it that way any thoughts on that agre okay so then we have number three there is in this section too that's correct so just over to page 46 go back to the executive sumary after two same language oh okay this is actually our daring post um so this comment was born out of discussion about uh South not having a different tax rate between it uh you know commercial and Industrial uses and our Residential Properties uh Mr chair I believe you made the clarification that that's not an unusual circumstance um when looking at other uh communities across the commonw well other towns other I was going to say of similar size but get that other towns yeah um yeah and so I think there was some discomfort with the language that was specifically chosen in that paragraph under structure particularly part that says the average single family tax bill is comparable to other nearby towns but significantly less than the similar bedroom community of Long Meadow Long here's a sence commercial industrial and personal property tax rates and souit are the same as residential making them relatively quite low for the region this has undoubtedly been a draw for the light industrial uses in town yeah I mean I think it would be appropriate to say instead of for the region first all I don't think you need relatively quite low I think that that's redundant but making them um relatively low as compared to um neighboring communities I think it's probably right because we have I me if you run through West spr Field Westfield aan um obviously spr all have different right um per commercial versus I maybe missing something I can't remember name but I'm sorry I'm doing it um so um uh um my understanding just so you know Jean and I don't know if you looked at it but if you look at the tax because we've had this discussion I think before you um we're coming to these um so the tax rates um if you look across the Commonwealth most towns or at least organized as towns have same commercial residential tax right it is cities and [Music] um I'm trying to remember the exact term it's like or cities or have a city form of government right or I forget the exact way but like so like agam right it's considered the town of agam it's ex mayor but they have right so they have a city form of government um so any of those tend to have different commercial and residential tax rates so um I think Southwick is pretty consistent for towns but because of where we're located you have a bunch of neighbors who have different tax rates so I think saying making them relatively low compared to neighboring commun communities is probably appropriate ises that sound right okay all right all right let's see and that can be just changed in the executive summary if that's the same I'm sorry do do we no we don't need to go back it's the same yeah all right uh next oh and obviously 71 is just aing right I mean we can go look at it s today 871 the historic cultural chance of relocation yeah I mean I yes I I went right past it that's my favorite does anybody really want to spend some time on that one there too much already chain of relax [Music] relax okay page 121 action that word up Transportation I'm sorry that's where it ended up in the transportation section uh yes so why the hell not all right um I'm between documents here question oh yes um okay um I see [Music] the more content but I don't want make you go back um I mean do you have a thought John on where that goes or does anybody on the board have thought on where to put that it probably doesn't belong under transportation that seems kind of silly um I mean it sort of encompasses all the chapters but is there one that it sort of more properly fits under than say [Music] transportation I mean it may just be under Land Lo right it's not it's not a standalone it's what encompasses all the chapters but I think if you're going to pick one the first one that's what goes under economic development but I'm not sure the best the place for it's it's sort of stand alone right because when you you're on the summary here it just is at the very end the end of the executive summary stand alone and so but I mean I I don't know I would probably put it in the first one be you made into [Music] Lang did it go at the end of the introduction underneath the planning process yeah after your plan overview yeah somewhere there plan the section would be plan overview and then plan implementation and then flip that recommendation in total yeah put it there that is it discussed in one of the sections not in [Music] [Music] the I don't believe that same action was replicated Elsewhere for greater depth of discussion mean here's the I guess one of the reasons why I was thinking to put it in the first section was because the master plan implementation committee is listed as a or support party and some of these things right and so it hasn't even been created at this point in the master plan when you're already seeing the um I would put it in the front underneath the planning process give an explanation quick short blurb about what it is and this is the The Establishment this is who the lead party is supped parties that's part that's the introduction and then it says planning process those into a bit more detail but it you're taking it out of the action items wow I'm not saying it I'm just saying you're taking it out of the action items I'm not we we're creating a new action not really if you're not all it is is a little box that does Action [Music] um reconvening the committee um yeah I'm fine with that because it I guess in part because that's already it's technically already created but it will be created in a more formal manner at some point soon so um that's probably fine so I guess it just gets taken out and sort of well it it could flow very easily there from plan overview where it says the committee also recommends short and long ter actions that will bridge the gap between South today and The southw Envision in 2040 the First of and most important of these actions is Bam action 1.1 the creation and implementation of a master plan of commission I agree I'm sorry just to be abundantly P page what page number was 11 under plan overview holding on to keep going keep going there so just take that I mean it's yeah it's almost written you right no that's fine beautiful um and then 129 I gu the last one is that right yes uh so this right here this is sentence that's cut off let me grab that sentence and read it to every one sentence begins a focus on building Energy Efficiency has proven a win-win strategy for reducing energy cost and creating local jobs that's the rest of the settings that is um missing from that particular paragraph highlighted on the screen all right anything else we need to you with on this those were what was the sorry go ahead oh it's okay those were the only call outstanding um that is specific to content okay all right um all right anything else from the board on that any other any Town officials have any questions or comments Jean go ahead where is this available uh if you go to the is the most updated version on links to the I would have to double check so so either whether it's the original version or sort of the one with pretty minor revisions if you go to the planning board web page okay there is a um um whatever you want to call it on the left hand side it'll say South wake Master plans click on that they'll have the three Master plans one from the 60s one from the 90s that never adopted and this okay app okay um any um public comments okay so um is there still potentially some minor things or no are we good I think with the exception of we're going to call it the inevitable geted up in the end we are reach stasis all right um do I hear a motion to close the hearing then days pus so moved right here a second Jessica th in second fantastic rich a roll call vote Michael D i Dave I David Su I Jessica Thor and I is Dick there [Music] no a little B all right so um do I hear a motion to um adopt the 2040 master plan um as we finally 60 year uh as we've finally edited here tonight uh Dave Spa so moved second do a roll call vote Michel dor I Dave Spina I David and I Jessica Thor and I all right got that a thank you good job marus just coming here until we got that adopted right is that the plan now you're out yeah to Vegas I'm going to Vegas and I going to Disney all right that's a Disney um 8 o'clock public hearing continued proposed amendments to chapter 185 section 28 non-conforming uses structures and [Music] lots [Music] okay okay um who wants to start John Jessica go for it I'm just trying to close oh yeah it's fine you I just didn't know who wanted to no I appreciate that that's great love the fact of the B is Tech capabilities oh let's see [Music] one okay everyone shared via zoom and it out in front of you is a draft I'll use the word reconfiguration edits to 18528 non-conforming lot structures and uses not limited to the reiation of those three words descriptions there uh for everyone's information what's highlighted in blue um are in my opinion the substantive uh changes that I want to drive R's attention to there are minor um adjustments elsewhere big picture uh we've taken our current bylaw and have now broken down to be specific so that if you are talking it at a non-conforming use a non-conforming lot or a non-conforming structure uh it the logic flows U more easily to those specific items as opposed to trying to break it up in some of the AG in the language let's dig in the first uh subsection for non-conforming Lots maintains some of the existing language but folds in a single lot exemption for single family two family uses that is rooted in um rooted in state law but then adds information about uh making sure that any proposal under this exemption receive positive recommendation from the Board of Health for it suitability for uh waste and fresh water needs as well as uh Public Safety from the fire department and safety officer they can adequately access the S the next change I'll go through is under subsection B non structures Where We Begin by adding some language related to lapsed uses um I believe it's at the last planning board meeting or perhaps prior that we explored the idea expanding the [Music] term defining when a structure would fundamentally be abandoned or excuse me yeah or disc contined three years um there's additional language in miror that expands that opportunity um and does not designate such a non- controling structure um in the use of it as having been been discontinued up to 10 years upon finding by the planning board in a special permit hearing that such continued residential use of a non-conforming building or structure and the propos structal alterations won't be more detrimental neighborhood or shall result in use and structure more keeping with the character of surrounding properties the same expansion and time is offered to structures that are lost um by uh some measure of catastrophe or Misfortune oh let's go to um sure so where's the where's the um in the structur one where's the uh limitation on proposed alterations if something has not been there's no I mean it makes it so that you can you can do whatever you want right it has the use hasn't been discontinued for 30 years or more Define you do uh yeah and so I'm just um so we've gone from you can't let me I just hold on let me just find that no no I got so so the problem so the way the old one was structured is that the only thing that could have been continued is the use the only thing that the time period applied to was the use right and so that if it wasn't discontinued you could continue using it in that way this things is now structured to allow for alterate so you can maintain a building uh a nonconforming building or structure shall not be structurally altered enlarged nor reconstructed except when the proposed alteration is to a residential use building and provided that the lawful use of the non-conforming Residential Building structure has not been abandoned or discontinued for 3 years so if something had if you were if the residential use had not been discontinued for three years or more under this you don't need to go get a special permit you there's no limitations on what you could do you you could add you could add another you could double the size of the building if you wanted to it would still have to pass muster through building to make sure it was still within set you're you're basically saying you can you're already nonconforming and so there would be no rules that apply to you because you're non-conforming by definition and so what are the rules that apply to you they can't the setback rules and things like that because you're already non-conforming right so what limits to your alteration are there there's none before it was it had to be within the footprint and now we've gone to there's none only her single family home agreed and with with approval from the building agreed but I'm not that seems like a big jump from nothing to anything you want as a building inspector is not going to I mean they're just looking yet and that was only for this is we're talking only for residential structures under three years which was already part of their protections that they had it's not no because they before you could keep that residential you could keep the use residentially you couldn't do anything to the structure right three years has nothing to do with the structure now we are tying the three years to the ability to do whatever you want to the structure not just the use you know what I mean and so I don't think I have a problem with letting people do some stuff to their house beyond the footprint of it um but I think there's got to be some limitations because you're dealing with completely unregulated changes right right I mean you could go to the edge of your property line I mean if you have a setback that is there something in my supporting document that I sent to you that right very that section six protection that exists that prevents this sort of a thing because like if you had a setback of 40 feet and you were already into that setback and say you're were like you know setback was 35 ft or something because of pre pre-existing conforming you are and that's just the use but if you had a preexisting non-conforming structure as well what's to limit you from keeping going and I I just thought that's what I the use makes sense to me because the use is a use but when you're dealing with the structure I don't know how you you got to have some limitations there think I think we should come back to it and move to the rest of the document because because single because part part of this is that there is already built infrction for single family home that we can't rent a foul of this was to provide a differential here between a residential structure that hasn't been touched in three years versus an industrial building or a commercial building that hasn't been touched that's with a certain amount of time so that's why you have the three years you're good and then between 3 and 10 now you're coming in for a special review to make sure it's not two months too much of an intensification of the non-conforming structure all right yeah know we keep going what do you um all right so where are we going to next uh let's see we still in section D added language so we are still talking about structures make sure I am okay now with standing an the contract contained in this subsection whenever a non-conforming structure has been changed to a less non-conforming structure or to a conforming structure such structure shall not thereafter be changed to a more non-conforming structure or to a non-conforming structure except upon founding by the planning board special per hearing that such change extension or alteration shall not be substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood or shall result in use more keeping with the character of surrounding properties as existing non-conforming structur sorry G um uh to the neighborhood so that basically uses existing language and then adds that last part that's Co all right so now we get uh into non forming uses we have similar language to what we were just debating um under nonconforming structures uh regarding abandonment and disconvenience of non-conforming uses and the accommodation suggested for non-conforming residential uses that is contingent upon navigation successful navigation of a special per application yeah I mean this one makes sense to me three years or less if you're doing residential you can just keep doing that and you don't need to come back for a special permit 3 to 10 you have some control over that because that's a longer period of time [Music] um that makes sense to me um [Music] we need to do this we need to get this to them tonight no we can pick it out we can pick it out I mean my presumption is that whatever we develop wherever we land tonight we can reach out for advice and I think it should be fruit for Content um town but they'll have time to get it together and get it on one would be wrapping this up in April so M we're on plenty more tget was end yeah okay um fair enough um okay what um why and my I had just died so um is there a definition of a non-conforming lot what's a non-conforming lot lot that was registered and recorded prior to the implementation of zoning that now makes it a nonconforming so a lot was created before we had less Frontage less than the 40,000 square foot has acquired in the area fair enough okay so that would be so if it was legally in existence prior to that which is on the land horer to prove um I'm just trying to think through that other so why is that same language about um maybe continued not in the non parment Lots so I guess it doesn't matter because it's only the you have to it's only going to be triggered when you're doing something on it right I'm trying to think of how I get why it's being set up because that's the way this is always been Lots structures uses right but the Lots really only gets triggered if you're going to put to a well there's not a or even the creation of a new I guess when I'm thinking Bo lots I'm thinking empty pieces of property right which this now allows for if it's if it needs certain requirements for a single family home it becomes bable don't you have to have that same the same language that says that and basically any lawful non-conforming lot may be maintained or may be conted don't you have to have that same language in that lot section to right so someone has a whatever structure on a property without enough Frontage they are technically a non-conforming lot right now right and so don't you have to have some language that basically says that can be continued I suppose I just got to think that the lot thing is not I'm not and it's not you it's not the way it's written it's just I'm trying to get my head around the lot side that that that portion of it separating it out in the like this I just need to get my head around how the lck plays out um empty lot it's not though I mean the lot part is talking about the the feet and inches it's talking about not having proper setbacks or not not I should say that it's not talking about set backs because that would be the structure well whatever it maybe talking about set I'm thinking the easiest example is Frontage right so you had a whether it's an empty lot or whether it's a lot with a house on it or whatever in a zone that has Frontage requirements and you don't have that Frontage you have a nonperforming lot it could be empty it could have something on but it's still a preapproved lot well if it was built you couldn't just take a piece of land and call it right if you can't now go forth and create a new lot that is too small for the current zoning regulations this is a lot that was already existent and when after preapproved somewhere in the past correct and then have to conform to the laws of that time right I think I'm I mean there are 20 but I bet you there are lots of off of 57 there in the old houses there that are probably less than the required size or the required Frontage for R20 yeah I bet you there are some I just I don't know probably wouldn't be a great deal of these that would be still floating around town at this time lot of those all got sweep swooped up and doubled up and so no but all those were built in the 40 probably then there's something already on that's not no that's fine but then my law comes into place it says this is R2 and you need to have X Frontage X slot size and a bunch of those properties with houses on them in those neighborhoods there are probably non-conforming LS right because they don't meet size and Frontage so but they're fine they can still continue doing what they're doing um which is being empty well no no those are I mean that's an example that has houses on right all the stuff to the right of 57 there you're driving up from the center Town um but I mean there's even um across from the hill that all the kids kids sled on there's a a house right before there that's L like you if you weren't looking through the trees behind this other house there's a house there and at this point it's probably the the access to it has been cut off and now it's just an abandoned building that's been sitting there for God knows how long if somebody came forth and said hey I want to demolish this and put a single family home when we're in the middle of a housing crisis and need to increase our housing production plan so long as there's enough room for it to meet safety and Board of Health requirements yes yes please do all right well I just think I need to conceptually get my head around the lot stuff and make sure I'm thinking about it the right way I don't think I was when I first look with it um and it's very hard to separate out the three pieces they interplay so much but this is let's look at those crazy one offers that they need protection from this angle and a protection from this angle no you're absolutely right all right um any other board questions or comments on this or do we need to go through no we went through the whole thing right uh yes um any other questions comments thoughts I have in front of me and I can send this to you after if you want to to mull it over when it comes to modifying um the structure and that kind of also affects the lot so this language here might help it make sense to you it says if the modification would not increase the non-conforming nature The pering Authority must make a determination affirming that the modification would not increase the non-conforming nature of the structure lot and therefore the building permit must be issued as a right if the modification would increase the non-conforming nature of the structure it must go under further scrutiny to determine whether the modification would be substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood or not and the issue lies in that in our town the building permit Authority is not necessarily the land use permit Authority and where we draw the line at letting that um initial determination if it would increase the nonconformity if he's going to make it and then pick it to us or not so that's kind of that is so it makes it itchy and then especially and then when you're trying to provide U protection for single family and also not run a foul of their chapter six protections um well I mean you can probably this sample of zoning provision said the proposed alterations do not increase the maximum height of the pre-existing structure um the proposed alterations comply with setback requirements or that they do not comply so like there's ways of looking at it and breaking it down differently if you feel like incorporating that into the b or not so how does um if you know how does Kyle if something comes in and it's pre-existing nonconforming how do he how does he figure that out depending upon the circumstance of he will consult with me and we'll chew things up and figure things out and there are other circumstances where it's Miss uh well not what I was going to say where where it's clear and that's perhaps your answer is applicable as well um um and I'm not I mean to be fair to him I'm not sure that there's a process necessarily in place to identify these thanks right [Music] um um because that may I guess my thinking was whether you know it can be sort of you can't get a building permit on first flush you either have to have um the sign off from the planning board of under that portion of the bylaw or you have had to go through the special permit process if if that's gets triggered right so one or the other but it's got to make it way to the planning board first for either just almost like an anr type of sign off yeah they call that the section six finding yeah so whether we want that initial um finding to be done or bi a special permit is that's kind of what we have to write into this you want okay I'm this you yeah you can know how I how confused I am okay you want to sure give me still using hot mail uh sure call someone out like that on a recording meeting I didn't say cool mik.com it's not aol.com AOL oh you want to use my AOL one I all right okay um any other board PS I got one question yes just trying to wrap my head around the language here um let's see on the first page a3a says any increase in area do we mean increase would just mean any area Frontage with yard or death requirements right because I think that's what we're trying to say we got 5,000 all the other requirements kind of go away yeah I'm not sure exactly I pulled that over from another town think I what we're trying to the increase in area Frontage with yard or dep requirements of a zoning ordinance or bylaw shall not apply to a lot for single two family res use so that is um just taking in stat yes but let's increase what I uh so I suppose the initial increase whatever standard there was prior to zoning right was establishing those dimensional constraints and and note that that single lot exemption applies to the lot and the in the use in the structure so that's probably where the increase in all those different variables had yard what not I think the problem is in the inance of this chapter should be requirements about right chapter 185 is our zoning bylaw so yeah I'm what the basis of the increases yeah you're right what's the Baseline before the increase so any any increase any increase of requirements of new chapter 185 zoning so any new zoning bylaw that increases requirements on these pre-existing non-conforming Lots structures does not apply to them future increases six y yeah or or previous Mones since when since the since the implementation of chapter 185 let say that right any increase in y y y since the implementation of or since the initial creation I don't know I would counter say the Sy that we're envisioning here is under as suppose the qualifying characteristics so what that increases in we're only thinking about lots that conform to zoning in existence at the time that the lot was created so that further constraint why don't we table that I will take a look at this yeah so just for so to play play it out for you right now we require 40,000 square feet in the R40 somebody buys a lot builds a house 40 years from now we change it to you need 880,000 square feet that increase does not apply to a single lot the family single family home home or lot for this purpose yeah I get that's what we're trying to say okay but is it saying saying it I know talk to the Mass General law people exactly yeah let me just take a I'll look at this statute and see if it gets interpreted anywhere and we can talk about it I mean I think I trying to say I agree with what we're trying to say it's just say yeah all right spend three hours on a Saturday trying to figure um and the attorney who's teaching you the course say yes it's really complicated no one really knows the answers cool any any other board anything else did you have no no I mean I sure your thoughts about the whole seems like yeah it BS up within three or if it's continuous use I guess within three do you want well expanding the struct exping the structure yeah yeah all right um any uh Town officials have any questions or comments mention the possibly abandoned there's several homes that are der in South by All rights should be condemned is there anything in this in this regulation here that allows them now three years to do something to the home and which would another blight exists I know think of one has been here for 10 years since I've been here and I always thought it was abandoned but it's not and so curious as zoning you would allow that individual if somebody came in and said oh this place is not certainly not con you conforming to a single family home can they use that toite for three years or well when people have come in and we just had one recently to sort of you you have to have some evidence of of that it's been discontinued only for a certain period of time right and so um I'm talking about homes that are lived in now by all re should be J him but that's a building inspector issue but could that person as a result of zoning saying okay well I got three years before I have to take this down or uh no no violations are would be addressed I think differently than this yeah yeah yeah the enforcement is just entirely separate from any of this um all right any other um public comments the only one online was clip right all right hold um he's probably sleeping anyway all right um all right so why don't we we're planning on closing it and voting on at next meeting so let's spend some time in the next two weeks to kind of get our head around this and work this to a final place next time um what is the next meeting we like not crazy so far me one second have a good night good night oh I don't I put in a seven we have a seven so uh you know um and other you want know no [Music] 771 [Music] put this at 7:45 do I hear a motion to continue this public 745 April 23rd Dave moved aoll vote I I singer I David Su I and I okay um planning board member and staff comments oh I'm going to actually back you up for a moment yeah we've got a have not oh yeah we got it Rob is I believe still tied up so we should um at least open not open oh adver so I can't just fair enough it's a good you lost it doesn't I mean it's we're not going to do anything right so it's uh who was the who was the ab Sten sen okay um can I have a couple comments um no oh yeah 7:30 zone change petition Street um notice public hearing Tuesday April 9 2024 7:30 p.m. planning board time via zoom and in the land use hearing room 454 College Highway notice is here by given pering to math General chapter 4A Section 5 of the planning board will hold a hybrid public hearing on Tuesday April 9th 2024 at 7:30 p.m. theum at Town Hall 454 College Highway south of Mass to consider amending the sou that's to the zoning map reference in section 1855 of the code of the town of South by redesignated a portion of it certain parts of land from Agriculture and Conservation District to resident Zone AR 40 s real estate being located at 233 South limit Street identified as sessor map 56 par 7 and currently split zoned ACN R40 that land is recorded at the County Register Deeds Ino 436 page 364 portion of the subject property proposed to be changed from AC to R40 is that land currently Zone AC is situated in the easterly portion of the property such that the entire property will be zoned to R40 assum information is provided details regarding the proposal may be reviewed by contacting the town planner John Gard at his for or email any person interested wishing to be heard on this matter should appear at time doated Authority chair s all right so the applicant is unavailable right now um are there any comments or anything that need to be read in we have received no comments on anything from the board without hearing the application yet okay Mr Phelps public comments since you are the only public com Marcus Phelps 28 Neo Street uh the reading of this notice indicates the entire property will be zoned R4 uh this parcel is 246 acres in size I think is that right John is substantial piece of land so that second paragraph in the public note noce portion of the subject property proposed to be changed from AC to R40 is that land currently zoned AC as situated in the easterly portion of the property such that the entire property would be zon our for so I think they're only asking for the easterly part where the campground is no I think they're asking for the entire property Z so they're asking for the entire property corre so I think the planning board should look or at least ask for a buildout analysis to see how many homes could be built on that property because if that zone is changed to a residential Zone you can build houses on 60,000 square foot Lots so you're going from an AC Zone to a residential zone so potentially you could have houses right there on that on that whole property good luck building on those but yeah there's up there you could probably build about got a couple uh a few houses there yeah fair enough okay fair enough so I guess the clarification is for the applicant make sure that they want the whole 246 ACR zoned residential yeah and I guess that's it okay and you know what what could be built there once it's ready residential you can build houses yeah okay um anything uh else from the board all right do I hear a motion to continue the public hearing until 800 [Music] pm on April 23rd Dave SPO moved C your second call vote Michael D i da I I David Su i j for and I okay now planning board member and staff com an an update on the m composition on from your end because I watched the select board meeting last night and was just curious if you had as well I did not watch the meeting last night where did um so the I interpreted it correctly they landed on the same five one U member of the public as appointed by the select board one appointment by the planning board and then um select board member Gail threw out a novel new thing that I hadn't heard before which was to have the third um public member be designated by the economic development committee um and there was repeated uh calls for caution on the idea that the planning board being a five member board versus the select board members threers board was in effect making uh a two planning board member uh nominations for the public if we went ahead with the joint appointment um idea I would just like to say publicly on the record that I find it a bit offensive to suggest that as a member of the planning board my opinion when it comes to appointments and votes is monolithic with the remainder of my fellow planning board members I would assume that the select board members would not want to have their opinions and votes Char uh characterized as monolithic either um especially seeing as two of them were recently elected on the basis of the select Board mayhaps needs to have a bit more attention focused on them when it comes to appointments to committees so with that in mind I encourage you Mr dhy to continue advocating on our behalf when it comes to the and pick composition and how we go forward in that okay so um yeah I don't think um and I'll listen to the meeting I didn't get a chance to listen to it today um I have no agreement with having EDC appoint EDC has so little role in the master plan I don't know why they would have an appointment on the master plan implementation committee [Music] um so discussion you haven't had yeah so I I don't think that that's the way to go um but um I I guess the update that I would have on it is I talk to Mark bedlan and so to the extent that it needs it want it's going to be independent and not a subcommittee it needs to go to time meeting so um you know I think I have given to Doug a proposed warrant article would it be for the I mean I think I'm fine with even if it's under the select board I think I'm fine with it just sort of being a subcommittee for a year and letting some you know seeing how it goes and having someone's budget who it's under and that you know whatever that's F I don't mind that though I think I I think I'm okay with that now I think I disagreed with it at the time but I think you know I'm fine with that now it kind of makes sense the but I mean I think the ultimate answer is that we can't agree on something um then someone's going to put it on for town meeting whether it's I mean you need all you need is 10 signatures put it on town meeting so if Doug and I can't figure out something then we come up with our version and get 10 people to sign didn't put it on town meeting for the next time meeting so I mean that's that's how I I mean to me it's pretty straightforward is I hope we try to work something out between us and the select board but doesn't just put on town meeting and let him vote on it okay sure I mean the bigger issue to me I mean I guess it should have seen that they were going to get off fired up both of that final member but um the bigger issue to me seemed like trying to Define some scope now of what they need to do and I'm and I guess it could be defined a little bit but I'm to me it's a little bit like let them sort of figure out to how they how they want to accomplish things I mean I'm not sure I want to set to constraint of a goal for them I mean I you know it's going to on who's on it and what they want to do to some degree but you know some basic goals of reporting back um reporting to town meeting you know those were ones from I think the town of Milton that I pulled where they had that that Mak seems to make sense you know like twice a year you're reporting the select board planning board of you know where things stand with the master plan what what we've done and what that kind of stuff and then beas on to those committees who are the lead parties and try to help them out I would use them as a bit of a laboring or to get some of these things to the Committees in boards you know they can help draft a warrant article or a proposed bylaw or a plan for something that can get implemented by one of these boards or and they could help do that the Committees don't have time right so you know and you broad brush that but I'm not sure you're going to put too much of a it sounded like I'm listening to those select board meeting that they want to put a pretty tight constraints on what they do to find their their path in a pretty narrow way and I'm not sure so I don't know we'll see where that goes but we'll try to I mean we can't just sit around with this thing so we got to figure out what well that's the other thing is it's you gota in you get a little tired of this volley back and forth for power versus let's get it done and do what's best for the community as so I will try to do something this week reach out to Doug and get that together and then maybe it can be finished up at the next SEL all right um any other member staff comments okay Mr s have minute we don't have minutes right yeah we all worked up over here make a motion to close the meeting a second all those in favor say I I okay good night