I'm ready you ready I am we'll call this meeting to order please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Al to the flag of the United States of America and to theic for it stands one nation God indivisible for liy and justice for all Madame secretary can you please do roll call sure chair Carmelo Endo present Vice chair Philip Landry Landry Russell Alexander present Nanette Douglas here Don grisbee present Don streer excused absence Daisy Snider here we have a quum sir first order of business is the approval of the minutes of May 21st if anybody's read the minutes and has a motion can I please get it I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes for May 21st I have a motion do I have a second second I have a first and second all in favor I I anybody oppose motion passes sir okay first order of new business ordinance number number 20 24-9 R good evening this is Tisha Manning's own manager for the city of St Cloud um from the case that was just called that applicant has withdrew their application so the case will not be heard and it will not be moving forward okay thank you thank you very much we will be moving to ordinance number 20 24-37 CPA 23- 000016 and we'll be reading two ordinances together three of them actually I mean two of them which is also ordinance number 20 24-40 PUD 23- 00006 good evening planning Commissioners Bernice Gonzalez senior plan principal planner Community Development sorry about that before we begin our presentation we would like to read a correction into the record the applicant and agent name have been publicized incorrectly and we would like to take a moment to make that straight the applicant should be should read Eden leaving development services LLC and the agent should read rvi planning and Landscape architecture all right so um I will be presenting ordinance 2024 d39 and 202 24-40 comprehensive plan Amendment Bey resoning and preliminary master plan also know as Ed and living Beauty the request affects uh a parcel that totals approximately 2328 Acres located at 1651 South narzi Road the current future land use it's low density residential the applicant is requesting a consideration to amend the future land use to medium residential and the zoning from agricultural to plan unit development the development is compatible with the surrounding areas as as the um future land use map and zoning map would demonstrate and it has no adverse impact on facilities the P zoning on the 2328 approximate area Acres would facilitate the development of 216 single family built to run dwelling units with a total maximum density of 9.27 dwelling units as shown in the concept plan so this is our Shing map and future L's map so there's it's not an isolated district there other district with these designations adjacent to the parcel uh okay this is the preliminary Master concept plan and at this time staff is recommending approval of ordinance 2024-the of plan Amendment for case file number CPA 23-16 and recommending approval with conditions for ordinance 2024 D40 the Pud 23-00 006 the con following conditions will apply to the approval of the preliminary master plan it must demonstrate compliance with open space allowances and calculations demonstrate Creative Design and usage of the ponds to have access to the F credit of the 50% of the pond area towards open space it shall show acreage and square footage and it must be at clearly identified the PMP must demonstrate connectivity to adjacent property in consistency with policy 1.5.7 of the comprehensive plan and section 6.2.1 c of the Land Development code the BMP must provide compliance with residential architectural standards as have been provided in the Pud ordinance 2024 -40 uh condition number five it must provide a minimum project boundary buffer of a total combined height of planting of 16 to 18 ft composed of three large trees one medium tree and 15 shrubs per each 100 linear feet some of these conditions are all these conditions and other conditions have been added to the ordinance and the PMP shall ensure compliance before being approved the Planning Commission requested action is the approval of the ordinance 2024-the of plan Amendment and the approval with the conditions stated for ordinance 2024 D40 the applicant is present tonight and they prepare a presentation if there are any questions for staff at this time before the applicant's presentation we'll be happy to answer them thank you you said other conditions what were the other conditions be these you are uh intended to be held to higher standard of unique and quality of development we've included specific conditions for architectural standards materials location of um mechanical uh elements like air conditioners parking and such okay thank you my pleasure any other questions for step the applicant make come up yes good evening Mr chairman members of the commission my name is Steve notto with rvi planning landscape architecture address is 111 North Magnolia Avenue suet 1350 Orlando Florida 328 801 thank you for having us this this evening thank you to staff uh for getting us here uh this evening to the Planning Commission meeting for this recommendation to council I'm going to go through a number of slides this evening that talk about the project get you familiar with Bill tent it's a unique type of housing product um that's starting to pop up throughout the state um so I'll help describe what that is in general and then also talk about how that will lay out here on the project site um so as staff said project location just over 23 Acres 1 mile north of 192 the current zoning is a agricultural the future land use is low density residential as staff said we're requesting a reone to PUD and a future land use Amendment from ldr to medium density residential the project which would be Eden living St Cloud is 216 unit build to rent Community it's a mixture of one two and three bedroom Cottages with on-site amenities uh build to rent it's a new type of rental housing uh that is design designed in a manner to where you have a standalone home with some amenities that come with having a standalone home so these will not be fee simple units no one else will be buying them and renting them out they will be owned and maintained by eat and Living Services um so it's not going to be something where there's going to be a plat where things will be subdivided out it's all owned by the developer so due to the unique type of uh housing product at it is it allows uh residents to enjoy optimal privacy they'll have their own fenced in backyards uh which is is good for outdoor entertainment they're also unique Community amenis such as a light Resort style pool and a state-of-the-art fitness center um so buil to rent and all the pictures that we have built into this PowerPoint are all from other Eden living projects that are here in the State of Florida so the images that you'll see are a good reference point of what you can anticipate to see from this project uh it's an Innovative form of missing middle housing if you've heard the term uh it's gained a lot of traction in the recent years as the housing uh Market has continued to inflate and then there's this kind of gap for folks that are looking to move on from maybe their first homes or their first rentals into something that's still affordable not affordable housing uh as we know it as defined in the statutes but something that they can afford on a monthly basis that may also not be a fe fee simple home helps to increase the diverse housing stock stock within a community and in this specific case it'll provide the city of St Cloud with a unique rental product that is similar in nature and design to a traditional single family community as I mentioned Eden living has constructed multiple projects in Florida here's a list of them uh on the overhead one in West Melbourne Jacksonville Wildwood and Port St Lucy we'd be happy to provide if you're interested uh website links to each of these communities to staff um so that way you can check out the websites and see how each one's designed see what the amenities are see how the uh sites function and I'll cover a little bit of that tonight here as part of this project so the first one is the uh first item I should say to talk about is the comp plan Amendment as staff said we're requesting to go from ldr to MDR the ldr allows for the zero to four dwelling units an acre MDR gets us to 4.1 to1 uh the maximum density based on the lot size is 232 units but we are requesting the 216 uh the proposed project supports the residential unfill and consistent with the policies that are outlined in the MDR future land use designation as staff detailed and we uh just as the applicant concur with the staff findings 1 through 16 as they've noted in their staff report um it does increase the housing variety and unique product types within the city uh the comp plan uh encourages mixed density residential future land uses throughout the city and I'll just note in the staff report it called out that there was a deficit of MDR in the city so hopefully this type of project will help address that and then the project also supports the Envision St Cloud Citywide master plan uh from the reason Zone uh request side of things we're requesting to go from a agricultural to PUD uh one thing I wanted to note on this slide it shows it best I think you can see the green portion that's just to the left of our project site where it has the big a that is separate from our project um it's a piece of property that used to be joined with this property uh I understand a number of years ago the larger parcel came in for one development type or development project rather that 310 foot depth uh and the frontage along norus is going to be a separate project that is not part of ours uh we anticipate that'll be developed as commercial but again that is not part of our project um we are just doing the uh 23 plus or minus acres to PUD uh on this slide you can see a couple of images of the amenity packages that are offered um that will be offered uh in this project again expansive Community amenity center with pool active open space neighborhood wide sidewalks to that will connect to off-site pedestrian infrastructure will also connect to neighboring communities such as Lakeside at CA that is being developed adjacent to ours uh bicycle racks and a community dog park uh the amenity building will also feature workstations fitness center and venue space for community events um so when staff asked us specifically you know with PUD go above and beyond I wanted to bring attention to uh the different amenity packages that are going to be offered here on site the architectural standards which are not well shown on this slide I will admit to you these renderings were done early on in the process we are going to update them them to make sure they do meet city code so by the time we get to City Council we will have updated renderings of what these units will look like this is an example of the one story and an example of the two story there will be no three story uh units within this development uh again it'll provide a unique and Innovative housing experience that allow allows for a kind of more of a a single family detached living environment with uh densities and intensities that are not like traditional multif family housing I want to point out on these two pictures you can see the top image that is a fenced in backyard each unit will have that and I'll note uh one of the conditions that staff um made sure we were to meet is we could not fence in the backyards if we were using the backyards to meet our open space requirements um as part of our Visions to our plans we're going to make it extra clear that we are not going to be using those backyards to meet the open space requirements um therefore we do plan on having the fenced in the open space requirements will be met on other ways and that'll be clearly shown on our final master plan and then the bottom image uh is a typical um kitchen layout and you can see the different finishes very modern approach with the white cabinets stainless steel appliances uh the metal steel looking door handles uh for the cabinets and then the kitchen island there so here's uh the preliminary master plan I'll briefly uh walk you through this we removed all the labels to try and make it a little less busy um because it can get a little much uh when you try to call it every single thing on the plan um and this is the plan that's going to be updated um as we move forward to city council because we clearly want to show how we're going to be meeting meeting things like Community connectivity to Lakeside at CA this original plan didn't contemplate that just because of the project type that it is however in talking with staff working with the developer we're going to ensure as part of the final master plan um that those connections are shown and are done and that'll include The Pedestrian connections um what the colors show so these are all of the different buildings these are structures the H home structures that are shown on site the different shading indicates the number of bedrooms the lighter the shade one bedroom get a little bit darker two-bedroom and the darkest is the three-bedroom and you can see how they're kind of put throughout the site they're built in cottage form where you have the um some of them have the main entrance off of the parking lot some of them have entryways behind just depending on how the site is laid out and how each building is laid out we will have two access points both on South nusi um again there will be connectivity to Lakeside at ctia but the main access points to the project will be from South nusi there will also be these other curb Cuts installed here one will go to Lakeside Satia the other is built here for the future uh development that will occur to our West and then this other access point here provides access to our project as well as any future projects that may occur in the front there will be sidewalks provided on these access access points here that will connect to the existing facilities that are in South nusi um we did complete a traffic study and we will be installing uh turn lanes for both of these access points the purple indicates the amenity Center what's not shown on the plan right here is the pool but that's where the pool would go uh you would have a dog park generally in this area and then these buildings here these smaller rectangles that you see within the parking lot are parking garages that would be available um for rent um if you're a resident there if you want to park your garage or if you have a lot of stuff um you can put uh your items in those garages this is an aerial view of the preliminary master plan this comes from a video flyover video uh that the applicant completed that we showed at the neighborhood information meeting that was held earlier this year um so you can see just for a reference point here's South nusi there's that Northern main access point which will have a wet storm water Pond and as you go in you can see the layout of the community here o sorry there we go and this is looking West so there's Turtle Creek right across the street Lakes side of Tatia would be surrounding us here um and again this is an aerial view just so you can see here's the amenity center with the pool our internal storm water pum which would have sidewalked connections around and then again as I said um internal sidewalks from within um I think what this image shows well is unlike your traditional multifam development these are not three to five story Garden Apartments um these are one and twostory Max uh individual Cottages one person or one family will live in one building um you're not sharing you know with roommates unless of course you need one you have that option um and then you have your private yard space in the back when it comes to the P we of course uh concur with staff's findings 1 through 16 as known in the staff report the project would increase the housing variety unique Community design common open space and Community amenities and again it supports the Envision St Cloud Citywide master plan uh we are doing our best to exceed the code minimums uh and bring a project that is above and beyond uh what the code requests and we've done that through not only only the uh expansive Community amenities um but also the landscape buffers along the perimeter we were given a a medium type buffer to meet uh at the request of staff and we're going to do that and we've actually increased the number of plantings that would be occurring every 100 linear feet um above and beyond what the staff minimum was and you can see the cross section of what that would look like here um that's for the majority of our buffers and we're going to go ahead and include that I think we're looking to work towards including that along our main access point um as well originally it was just going to be along the main perimeter of the project but we're going to pull that down we're going to aim to pull that down to nusi as well the community will also be professionally managed uh all the prospective tenants will be required to have background checks income checks and qualifications uh there's a daily onsite management team and a maintenance team and then no short-term leases will be allowed only longterm Le leases so again this is not a situation where individual folks can buy a building and then rent it out this is a professionally run um uh multif family complex a little more similar to what you'd you know consider seeing as a garden apartment um that's probably the one and only similarity between this project and those uh we did hold a neighborhood information meeting on March 5th of this year at Grace Community Church uh we had four inperson attendees and six Zoom attendees what the um map is trying to show is everything that's highlighted here uh in green those are all the mailers that were sent um at the request of the city that we uh hold for this meeting it was a 500 foot buffer since it hit Turtle uh Creek the entire neighborhood received it and so again we had the four inperson attendees and six Zoom attendees we didn't receive any major comments um we had some you know that we would anticipate concerns about traffic concerns about the project itself whether it would be a single family versus multif family things of that nature um but we felt comfortable uh based on the comments we received that we could move forward with staff uh that's all I have um I'd be happy to take any questions you may have or any questions that may come from the audience Mr chairman be happy to address them is this supposed to be a gated community or it will not be gated not gated and you said both entries will be on from nusi yes ma'am both entries would be created at the same time yes sir what is your definition of long term 6 months plus or year plus I believe it's minimum six plus and the other communities that are in Fort Pierce and Melbourne Etc are how long have those been in existence West Melbourne is recent they're all relatively recent while West melbour I believe is the newest and you can get there just hop on 192 and get direct shot there which one's been around the longest the Jacksonville project how long approximately five years five years what's sorry I'm sorry five months apologies my apologies sorry um what makes them get the designation of cottages as opposed to um like just being called it a single family sing sure sure that's a great question so build tent is such a New Concept in housing that a lot of Land Development codes and this is nothing against the city a lot of Land Development codes haven't NE necessarily been updated to address what build to rent is multifamily um in land of Elma codes is typically defined in a certain manner with the number of folks that live within a structure and you typically see building Heights of three to five stories thumbing along those lines so we are using the term Cottage because it's not it's also not necessarily a single family dwelling that you would traditionally see where it has its own platted lot so these will just be individual homes on one Master tract if you will but they are still single family dwellings so they're not like townhouse they don't connect at all that's correct okay yeah you do have let me let me pull to the um master plan for just a moment that's okay I'll go to uh it's just great marketing it's great word it's fun it's new it's fresh yeah some of them may be may be connected however these are not row homes okay yeah you're not going to have for a row five in a row things like that have you guys presented any type of price points to anybody or uh roughly I you know depending on delivery um but again uh sorry not again but it depends on delivery but we're looking about roughly 2,000 to 3,000 a month depending on unit type um and then what the market is at the time one two and three bedroom units yes ma'am ouch what's the ratio for parking it is uh two spaces per unit and then one space for every uh 10 for visitors um which is the multif family requirement from code turning Lanes in both of the entrances yes sir will there be any rules about occupancy so I'm just saying rent to own $3,000 a month how many people are going to want to try to cram into one of those two bedroom or three bedroom units oh so you're asking how many people can rent uh one unit at a time could be somebody on the application but how many people are going to be allowed to be in that unit sure that's uh that's a development restriction I think I would need to get into a little more detail on that one do we have much more detail on Max renters in space yeah I'm just saying that if I lived around there and I started seeing that there were like eight or 10 people in a two-bedroom unit because it's affordable from well not really affordable at $3,000 a month for most people I'm just just bringing that point up sure we'll we'll dig into that a little more and have a straight answer for Council they might have a question like that too so sure prepare thank you any other questions for the applicant no but a nice presentation very thorough thank you thank you sir thanks sir thank you okay we will be opening up for public comments if we have any no public comments did you feel out to the sheet man come on up hello hello my name is bring the mic down please hey can you hear me now now we canar can you hear me now okay my name is Nancy troisi I live on Hawks bille Lane I live in the preserv at Turtle Creek which is directly across the street where this may or may not be being built I do not recall getting um any letters I'm not saying you didn't do it I'm just say I do not recall and I texted a friend of mine as well who lives there um that there was a meeting in March regarding this a town hall meeting I don't recall that but I know in 2021 there was another Builder who wanted to build in the same area they wanted to build Town Apartments and town homes and you all had rejected that and the developer moved on but one of the things that developer did because we were directly across the street being friendly actually called us I personally spoke with the developer and he was is very kind willing to meet with homeowners and tell us what was going on that never happened in this instance and I just want to for the record just to put that out there the other thing is I'm concerned as a homeowner and also on the board of the HOA there what is going to happen to our home values we have homes there are 400 that are selling for half a million dollars $500,000 they're beautiful homes I encourage you before you make a decision to please walk through our community and see what's there and put in your mind do I want this type of development across the street from where I live I just think it would be better suited for all of us as homeowners to have another development there homes to buy or even town homes or a 50 plus Community something like that as opposed to rentables I just feel that like you had asked a really good question you know you have one house and you may have on paper John Smith is renting it but then you have John Smith and 10 cousins removed I don't know how many times that will be living in that house or if that house is going to be used for some other things that may not be legal so we have a concern and I just wanted to put it out there for the record for y'all to please consider before you make a decision that's all thank you very much you're welcome thank you chairman I have a question yes um have they received any feedback from the current developers the development that you've had in the different places have you received any feedback from those residents other surrounding areas about how that's going the last five um surrounding neighborhoods from other uh Eden projects that have been built um nothing that I could report on this evening um but could provide some more detail at Council and also for the record the the applicant is here so if you have questions I'm sure staff and and they would be happy to talk to you any other questions any more further comments Joe ther 17 South orando Avenue uh CMI if you all want to see what the Cottages look like I do have an overhead that I can provide the other thing I wanted to say on the number of people because it's professionally managed um they have to listen out anybody that would be living there and they can enforce that so they can actually because it's rental and not fee simple ownership they can control that whereas you can't when in ownership so as a professional management company they can uh address that concern very good point that is very true you have to usually on all rentals list who's going to be in Residence how many and their ages Etc correct any other comments we'll be closing the public comments any comments amongst yourselves before we take this motion I I just want to generally say to everybody I mean there is a need for rental in nice rentals in our town it's keeps growing um I would hope that it would be of high quality that it wouldn't reduce anybody's property value vales but we see the same thing happening near all of our homes Etc so I point I remember the project there was supposed to be there because I was on the board during that time and we rejected it because of the Heights and that they would be able to look into people's yards and at least this will be less restricted and they won't be able to see into their their yards at Turtle cre I agree even with it being a different uh style I mean like now this puts it more compatible with being the type already there versus how Apartments would have been I agree with what you're saying but I it feels like this is a rehash of that same thing and that this kind of opens the door for then that property between this and nusi to then have what we shot down back in 2021 because now they can say well now we have medium density residential here now we have you know X Building height I mean but was that was that why it was or was it because it was three stories or Etc well that was the major the concern during the last time the height the height and and the and the and the density of population because you'd have a lot more people that could live there before I'm not a but again it was full ownership which to sacker point is you wouldn't have that you wouldn't be able to have V simple as many people as they wanted to have in there this would be managed those were Apartments those ones were going to be Apartments yeah oh Oh I thought you said town homes I mean in in my eye this is kind of like Apartments as well because it's it's full rental owned by a company the only difference is that they're detached that's really the only difference here in my opinion they bought us a different product with a different height elevation and a different density because I mean you fit a whole lot more people when you're doing apartments at four stories high per square foot versus you know single family dwelling so it greatly changes the density it is it is is a slightly lower density but I I I concerned about the traffic in this area I mean we've seen over and over everything that's coming into this area the issue is traffic on nusi road right and um I would feel more comfortable if it was already connecting to Lakeside at ctia or if it had a connection to another arterial Road and not just nusi so that's that's what kind of bothers me about this is that and I I don't know that I trust the 93 cars at Peak time I mean yeah some of these traffic studies I think are a little bit skewed but so that even though it's a it's a proposed Rental Community if it was Fe simple housing you could still with the with a p change you could have the same amount of P simple housing there too right regular houses so there's no there's no difference there's no difference no I just think it's kind of we do need more rental products but it's the affordability Factor you still can't like my I got kids in the early 20s they can't afford anything they wouldn't be able to afford that because they're all you know at $2,000 a month if they're making 40 Grand that's more than half of their income at least they Quality Rental the one thing they Quality Rental and they're not RVs in backyards but the one thing I can say is from this meeting and the last we have uh a lot smaller turnout of people opposing I do have one more question though um if I may about the units that you have in Jacksonville for the last five months is that filled that unit those units are they all rented right now they're rented at 30% at 30% at five months and the same approximate rough idea of price point that you're thinking about for here is that completely built up a little bit less completely built out yes yes just haven't been a completely built out at 30% occupancy and approximately the same price points that you all were mentioning here right that would don't be my only comment is the price point scares me at rental for that so can staff confirm that this did go out to Residents within 500 feet of the proposed amendment Dak Mar Sagara deputy director um um we uh we cannot confirm that they actually did the community meeting because it's not a requirement from our code well no not not the meeting but the the notices still had to go out oh we provided all of the all of the uh documentation to the applicant we provided all of the addresses um and they some and they provided us the evidence of the presentation the sheet the signing sheets and a copy of the notices as well a copy of the mailed notice the mail notice but uh whether they were s out that's the part that we cannot confirm we gave them the buffer we gave them the addresses and we received some of the evidence uh that they claim that they mailed out okay thank you um I actually live in Turtle Creek and yeah received it and yeah knew about the meeting in March um so I can't speak for every housing there but I can at least speak that it existed well they had some attendees y somebody got it any other questions amongst yourselves uh yeah you can ask the question and fill the form out after have we we we haven't have we officially CL close public comments Mr attorney did we close you're asking if there's further public comment yeah a public comment can still be made if the chair and the commission wish to receive public comment but you're not here to answer questions from the public they can ask questions of the applicant uh by way of making a a comment which would yield uh a response from the applicant but the commission is not here to respond to questions you want um since he's taken time to fill it out we'll hear him so even even though it's on it's on nusi road and there's a lot of traffic on nusi road there still is a a rental shortage would it there wouldn't be a better place to put it anyway true come on up sir yes sir state your name and address please Mike troise preserve Turtle Creek 1809 Hawks bille Lane uh minor point there are two communities across the street one is Turtle Creek the other is Preserve at Turtle Creek two separate legal entities but for the purposes they've always been added together and conflated as just Turtle Creek but that's inaccurate my questions pertain to Cottages is that a euphemism for single family homes is it wood frame construction is it block is it a standard 2 story where it's masonry on the bottom wood framing on the top is it on public sewer or private septic and what about children in schools furthermore traffic lights it appears that the South entrance will be adjacent or opposite preserved Turtle Creek and the northern entrance will be at Turtle Creek there are school buses on nusi road that stop several times a day I understand there'll be a separate entry or egress Lanes traffic lights crosswalks what additions will be um added to the community for traffic children schools Sewer Septic and obviously it's going to be part of the city those are my questions if we have answers please okay thank you sir thank you sir thank you uh thank you Mr chairman um the uh structures will be constructed of wood both the one and the two stories the cottage term is something we're using to try and differentiate between while the family apartment and then the single family uh residential dwellings that folks are used to seeing um as far as the traffic goes so the project of course went through full DRC which includes City staff Oola County which includes traffic review um of both agencies um our traffic study didn't require traffic signals we were not requested to install um traffic signals um at either of the intersections with uh Turtle Creek and turtle preserver Turtle Creek um as far as um School Bus access and such that's I think more of a a school board issue I imagine um as to how they'll um operate the school pickups uh depending on where the kids are and how many kids there are per Community um and I'll I'll add what what may impact that is since we will be connecting vehicular Le to excited CA there may be options uh for pickups within that Community but again that's that's something that's up to the school board and what's the time frame for for that connection uh that would be occurring during construction uh when the community is built we're doing the two connection points of South nusi and they would also connect to ca depending on when their infrastructure is ready thank you very much okay l ladies and gentlemen uh I just want to mention one thing that I'm not comfortable with is on item number 12 in the 16 findings uh which is the proposed change will be a deterrent to the Improvement or development of adjacent property in accordance with existing regulations uh in the response it says future development will be required to provide connectivity and Road improvements that will enhance accessibility Economic Development and recreational opportunities in the area as necessary um and so that's that's really what's holding me back on this one is just that we don't have the connectivity yet and that we only have entrance and exit onto nari Road what's the timeline of the project I may sorry um so yeah just to clarify I know the plan doesn't show up but we will be connecting to Lakeside at ctia so our two access points that are in the neighborhood there's a curb cut that goes to the East and then a curb cut that'll go to the north both of those will connect to Lakeside at CA subdivision roadways that were required to stub out in certain areas at are property boundaries we're going to connect into those and it'll follow their roadway Network wherever it may go so when we build our internal infrastructure we're going to connect if their St outs are ready even if they're not we're building ours and they can connect to us or vice versa and then we'll also have the connection points to South marusi so we will have the connectivity throughout into to the other neighborhoods um that'll occur as we start site construction timeline um if we're able to get through approvals this year um I imagine we would be starting construction um in 2025 whatever your next year is any other questions or concern amongst yourselves I will entertain a motion did you ma'am daddy let's look for you anybody that wishes to speak come on up to the podium identify yourself you have one from me yes we will hear your comments thank you we'll hear you co what's your name and I'm not nervous yes Betty damy 4776 hidden Heights Trail stcloud I do not live in Turtle Creek but I live directly across I live within a half a mile of this proposed development most of what I have to say he's already covered so pardon me if I'm redundant but a couple of points that have come up since he did speak I do know that now CH lakeia is has been approved by the city from what I see because go down lilan leag quite a bit they're pretty close to being ready to start this development will have its connections with Lily and Lee and as far as school buses see River Crest Lakes stah all of those developments along that the school buses pick up and drop off on Lily and Lee not on 15 on that side of the highway so at least that's my understanding at this point I'm not on school board so I don't know what's going to happen in the future but I strongly urge you to approve this community this proposal it offers a high scale well- maintained and managed Community to your point for they call them Cottages I call them Villas and I'll tell you why in a minute for demographics that are Desiring to downsize professionals that prefer to rent versus own and those saving for future ownership many successful professionals and my grandson living in Turtle Creek renting right now is one of those prefers to rent versus than own because that allows him workfree time and resources to do other things not everybody wants to own a home as for me I live on one acre I have a 2500 square foot home that right now as far as property value it say according to Zillow $550,000 I'm at a point in life where I need to start thinking about downsizing I'm 80 years old I can't keep it up much longer n didn't I I would rather live in a mble hung or camper than to go into a three or four story apartment building where I have people over me under me and all around me I have been to the community that they have in Melbourne I had a tour the developer was kind enough to take myself and some of us on a tour this is a quality Community it's not when we say rental so many times that brings up a negative image and I think we need to re-evaluate our image on this this will be a quality Community not only do will Eden continue to own it they will manage it and that's the difference between a single family Suburban type of home where it can be bought into just rent it out with no management criteria we need to rethink how we view rentals did somebody that meant your time was up okay I'm sorry but again I I just I have viewed this community and yes I would definitely live in it with no problem thank you thank you ma'am thank you okay if anybody else has filled out an application hasn't be heard okay I will finally close it for public comments again okay I will entertain any other questions from yourselves or aemotion at this time oh I'll make a motion I was going to say are you ready for a motion or you ready for comment yes I'm ready for motion there's no more comments amongst yourselves thank you I'd like to make a motion to recommend approval of ordinance number 2024 39 20244 I think we have do them separate we're going to be doing them one at a time 202 439 based on 16 findings within Land Development code second I have a first and second all in favor I I I all opposed nay okay passes 41 okay can I get a motion now on uh ordinance number 20 24-40 make a motion to approve recommend approval of ordinance number 20244 based on the 16 findings within the Land Development code does that motion also include the conditions that uh staff had included in there with conditions recommend approval with conditions ordinance number 2024 D40 based on the 16 findings within a Land Development code second I have a first and second all in favor I I anyone opposed it's a no for me pass thank you very much for your time next ordinance will be ordinance number 20 24-44 anx 24- [Music] 00004 and we'll also be hearing ordinance number 20 24- 45 CPA 24-6 and final ordinance number 202 24- 46 PUD 24-4 good afternoon um council members um Planning Commission May I'm practicing for next month your V pigs dmar that's it my name is dmar sear I'm the deputy director for the Community Development the item in front of you is for an annexation request and a complain Amendment request and a PUD Amendment request for the Live Oak Lake Community this this community is located south of IO Bronson Memorial West of Nova Road and East of MOSI U Vine uh staff recommendation is approve approval um the existing future line use is low density and medium density residential County the proposed future line use is medium density residential City the existing zoning of the property is PD County which is also plan development unit uh then the proposed zoning is plan unit development City the development is compatible with the surrounding area and there is no adverse impact into the city facilities this is a depiction for the annexation proposal as you can see the location of the subdivision is adjacent to the west of a boundary to the city limits of this of of the city of s cloud this annexation request is an encumbrance annexation that it was assigned by the developer um of the of the subdivision here's a this is fute today this is a picture of the future land news map and the zoning map the zoning uh and will remain PUD and the fature line news um will will change to medium d density as a little background in your in the request for the annexation is contigous and reasonable reasonably Compact and above the city limits to the west and this uh notice of encumbrance was signed by Vic investment Corp and executed in August 17 of 2016 so what is in notice of encumbrance and notice of encumbrance is a recorded Covenant that is is recorded in the public records of aola uh County and it remains connected to the property when the city of s cloud provides uh when do we sign one of these so it signs when is the city provides Water and Sewer services to properties that are in the Oola County but they are located within the joint planning um agreement area once a property signs this encumbrance it allows the city to process a voluntary annexation to bring the property into the municipality and the terminology of voluntary is is ter terminology from the Florida statues um although many residents here tonight may not feel like this is a voluntary but we're utilizing the process of a voluntary based on the statutes the incumbrance continues to be valid even when the property sold or transfer what are some of the the benefits to be in this wonderful City well you're going to receive a qu higher quality of service a local government that he has accountability local representation and local making decision and also we are business friendly we also have a high quality Public Safety with a low insurance rates we have shorten respon for police and fire and we have some parks Capital more Park capitals than the county and our city residents receive discounts for some of our Parks so this is what everybody wants to know how this is going to affect my pocket as you can see a comparison in this slide between the own Incorporated of SAA County in the city of stcloud um in the green there is an to the count to the city of 5128 that currently the residents of Life Oak do not pay because they live in alola County once they get annexed into the city they will be paying this additional uh adoring uh tax but in exchange currently in the green the residents of live Lake Oak they pay an emergency medical services because the city is the one that provides those services and they and they pay 1.88 to mile mileage ad rate once they get into the city that fee will go away the other discount that the residents of Live Oak will receive is a solid waste savings once they in the city of an approximate in an assessment of an property that is an approximately 360,000 um median assess value what with staff we did an assessment value and the median of all of the residents so at 36 360,000 was the uh median assessment for property pricers so we can make an assumption that there's going to be a saving of $312 and 63 or 83 I can't see well from Far 63 um cents so what is going to be a difference yes there will be a difference in the tax in the taxes for the properties that are going to be annexed into the city the T the property it for more detailed assessment of how it's going to affect each individual lot they're going to have to make their own calculations because this assessment does not include homesteads exemptions or other exemptions that a particular homeowner may have so it's very difficult for the city to do individual um assessment we can only do an assessment as a as a median and as a whole and um and everyone can then do their exemptions so I just want to make clear that although there is an increase in your taxes once you apply your exemptions as it applies to you the the amount that is showing here of 1,143 and some change might be lower but at the same time it might be higher it all depends on the assessment on the property now this is in line with the city's um strategic goals from the city council the city council has directed staff to conduct a series a project to conduct a series of annexations to bring properties such as like Oak into the city since we're providing Services can I ask you I'm sorry to cut you off but I before you get too far away from the the taxes um my question was going to be um so normally the uh property appraiser they cap the increases at 2% per year right but that would not apply here right this would be an increase as soon as they get annexed the increase would occur immediately right or the next tax year the next tax row year that's correct all right I just wanted to make sure in that that was clarified yes that's correct thanks um that my sorry okay um so this is an initiative by the city council that's directed staff on a project to Annex and comre properties and enclaves as well later in this year you will see annexations that are enclaves as well and this is the first of an encumbrance annexation project we held a community meeting with uh the um citizens um I know it's not in the slide but we did held a community meeting with the citizens on June 11 um we had approximately 12 in attendance present and another 15 in Zoom um there was very a lot of discussion a lot of qu a lot of good questions and we we try to answer as as efficiently as possible we advised them about the meeting tonight and we also advise them at the July 18th city council meeting new notifications will be sent to the community since the original city council day was July 11 now it's been changed to July 18 so but we will send new notifications so the zoning of the property will remain a PUD we are going to adopt and accept the already approved plans from the county as I stated before it's a 17826 Acres with a total of 329 dwelling units already all built and the density is at 3.83 dwelling units per acre as I said it's already built out and no new development is expected in connection to this application and if I didn't say this before the city is the applicant here's a depiction of the approved master plan that was approved by Oola County which the city will adopt with the annexation and the and the plan unit development it is Staff recommendation to approve this annexation and request for comprehensive plan Amendment and PUD and it is requested of this commission to uh approve as well of ordinance 2024 d44 ordinance 2024 d45 and ordinance 2024 -46 I'll be happy to answer any questions thank you so de to understand uh simply for me we Annex into the City and the council's probably saying things like we're providing those Services anyway we Annex into the city therefore there is a slight increase in tax collection that the city can receive which the city would then turn around and u utiliz for improvement in roads and any of the other things that we need money to do on behalf of the city correct now was it a given that the annexations are supposed to happen between the county and the city or I'm sorry say say I said is it a given I I thought I feel like one time there was a discussion on the fact that that there were certain areas that were supposed to be you know annexed from the county over to the city due to locations or something and that's correct and that's the project that we are working currently that we are this is just the first one commun the first Community but you're going to be seeing more communities as the year goes by okay are the are the people that buy these homes are they told that this is going to happen when they buy the homes so at the at the at the community meeting that was a question um when you buy a property the realtor is required to disclose any information that pertains to the property this type of documentations typically are given with your title or your closing papers but as we know who's going to read a 300 page package this this development's been around for quite some time too right approximately I believe it's 2017 I believe Oh I thought I thought it was longer than that that maybe the approval from the county was prior to that but as far as build out I believe that one of the last uh built residence was around 2020 2022 I believe okay so the actual the actual encumbrance is on the deed the actual incumbrance yes is on the deed of the property correct the only thing I say protection of real estate agents and realtorss and people is that unless somebody owns a piece of property you can never guarantee or say what is going to so Russ your point homeowners when they buy you you don't know unless you own the properties around you you can never say for sure what's going to happen oh it's Wetland so nobody will ever build back there you don't know that no you can never say that definitively so your properties if you want to protect anything that a person buys then you should buy up all the property around you and then you can control what's going to happen to it now in this case of the city we do know that our city is growing we've never stopped anybody else from coming they didn't stop me in 72 come from Pennsylvania where everybody else is coming from we're growing and this is just kind of The Growing Pains of our city and and it's it it doesn't always feel good but it's also all for one and one for all so I I think that the council has to do this I think they're doing their homework it just is never going to feel all perfect but well what we have to have this increase feels awfully High though to me I mean if you break it down and I know you did averages and it's hard to know how every person would be affected but but on average this is $100 extra a month on somebody's mortgage right that they're already paying um you know homeowners insurance and things like that but um I just I it's hard for me to understand why it's so high I mean I know it's calculated based on our millage rate and all that um because your taxes have gone up too I mean everybody Ian it might have well the the s cloud millage rate's been the same at least since 2017 so it hasn't gone up but for that much of an increase in my home I mean you know I guess I'm comparing it to what I pay in taxes you know it seems awfully high of an increase to me based on the if I may um we when we did when we revisit the assessment because we were wondering the same thing and what we discover is that the assessment for this for particularly this community we don't know why but particularly for this community proper pricers and let me say that again proper appraisers assessment is pretty high on these properties um like I said for Median on to on the on the development that has over 200 units that's pretty high we recognize that but um that is as Miss uh um member of gisby said um is part of the increasement that has had happen in o in general has there ever been any discussions by the council about um sort of a a metered or or a slower integration of the fees when when we have an encumbrance agreement like this an annexation rather than just a sudden you know you know you're going to be annexed into the city so here's your new tax rate you your new adum tax rate you know what I mean has there ever been any discussions about an incremental increase or what that would look like I'm just curious yeah I'm not aware if there has been any such conversation but we are definitely can take that comment and and advice to the council uh prior to the 11 um 718 city council meeting okay any other questions it just a comment too but I mean you think about all of the times that their services have been provided where there was no payment for it right I mean I'm just thinking about that for all of the times that in the city is responding and providing the services fire police what you know whatever right so I mean I does City provide the services for the I think they they do through an interlocal agreement okay that they have with the the fire and police I do they provide police I know that it was fire the police too who whoever going to be able to respond respond the most efficiently so it's hard so we've still been providing the services and not getting paid for them and water and sore as well well but the water and sewer though they would be paying for that in their utilities right or you're saying just to ad taxes that would help yeah if they're getting utilities from Tojo they're paying for the utilities they're get right so we're doing public comment on this one yep all right thank you thank you I'll be opening up for public comments uh I have a sheet here miss Teresa hold on to your seeds kids everyone apologize it took us so long to get to yeah my name is Teresa jopy I live at 2161 Bur please don't know every time I talk about that say that again lady Bur Oak Boulevard in St Cloud the new develop area of Live Oak Lake and we're talking about here about taxes and what this no it's always taxes and when we got this letter from you guys uh from uh where brought your letter when we got the letter notice I should say about annexation I went holy sholey what is this all about I'm like use like you were saying too so many lists of things to to pay and we had now an increase is going to be of uh property tax due to the facts of this St Cloud is now going to uh take over some of aola County that's how I'm I Maybe I'm Wrong the way I'm saying it but that's how I'm figuring it out all of a sudden St Cloud wants a little Moola fine it's okay but it's coming out of our pockets this Moola and they have to understand that we're all basically in live O Lake we're all senior um citizens and we have fixed income and we go according to our budget everybody has their own budget and when we get these high rates Shane um about this one an example they said here property with the taxable value of $400,000 located in unincorporated AOL County will have a total property tax of 5,585 n6 the same property located within St Cloud City Limits will have a total property tax of 7,238 or a increase of 29% increase I go holy shimoi that's a lot of hay and I said I just want you to be aware of this that's why I'm here I mean all this you know all of what uh DRC Mir M was saying about all these things about we have to know but let's go down to Basics let's find out people here we suff you know it's too much money money money money money and it's coming out of our pockets and everything's getting so much increase increase increase you have to be aware go within the means and also addicts going into and addicts covering over aeol County I was so happy I was anoun I'm only here five years people I I have I'm learning very slowly about everything I'm not jelling with Florida as well but I'm trying and then when this hits you you go my good I'm from New York honey taxes there oh my God forget about I come down here and well following me you know and I don't know about your history but I remember taxation where representation is tyranny and I want to let you know I'm representing almost all of us in in uh we're in the pool we're talking about so much what they're doing to us I just I don't know and having us have St CLA going over a count I was in Queens that was my county and I was Ozone Park Queens New York so I'm here St Cloud that's where they put it St Cloud and then Florida right there's no like in between like I have up in in Queens but I have to make you realize to be a little bit understanding about where we're coming from you know that's what I mean be considerate of that thank you thank you ma'am thank you my first time you did great Mr Richard is it stopping my wife to be nice my name's Richard Joby I live at uh 2161 bro Boulevard uh it's in the county and uh the veterans that I've been talking to and there several of us in the community we're and we're all retired people we're living on fixed incomes this tax is ridiculous we drive at times down New York Street or at whichever you want to call it and there's two bad potholes in it and you just made it that way by putting in cobblestones uh is unhealthy and unsafe and it hasn't even been what three four years yet and it's already got two bad potholes in it so if you're going to do that to the center of town what are you going to do to our community you know I'm to the point where I think uh the city uh should cut the pay for you and give it back to the people for the money that you're wasting you're not doing things properly you're not taking care of the infrastructure first and then building you're You're Building first and the heck with the the traffic problems the safety problems and other things I'm sorry that's just the way I feel and I'm going to be Point blunt with you you know being a vet I've had enough that's all I got to say thank you very much thank you sir but I I do want to remind you that as a Planning Commission we are volunteers and we're an Advisory board we're just an Advisory Board to the city so just let you know that we not taking any money from the city we're here of our own volunteer time okay who's next next person Johnny and and Australia they messed up stuff okay may want to just ask this is uh Mr chair Michael J yeah just ask if anybody's left to speak on this case anybody else that's going to speak on this case that's filled out a form come on up good afternoon good evening I should say my name is Lee Addison living life for Lake it appears that this whole proposal was was already like a done deal already you know and I just don't understand how you know all this could be implemented you know post facto and now we have to just you know accept it like when we moved here and we F all paperwork there was nothing indicating that this would would go you know into Force you know speak into the mic sir okay there you go could you could you hear me yeah now we can hear you no could you hear me before barely just goe and repeat yourself so if you can hear me from the beginning just let me know okay okay so what I'm saying it seem like this is a done deal here you know uh when we moved here we F our paperwork and everything and there was nothing indicating that this would actually um you know be taking place if you will second uh add the add um vorum tax you know how does that affect our overall taxes yeah sir this is this is public comment but the commission is not going to respond to questions from the community it's willing to take your comments and public comments all you know as long as you've provided the form that you turn in but the commission is not here to respond to questions but to take your comments they certainly will okay so who is here or when will someone be responding to questions well this this all of these matters will come before the city council on July 18th is that right so this issue of the encumbrance annexation the land use and the zoning will all be presented to the city council on the 18th of July this commission is here to make recommendations tonight to the city council it's an advisory commission and it's here to take your happy to take your comments and your feedback which is receiving okay okay thank you thank you sirk you and if you if you didn't fill out a form if you you did okay that's great all right thank you sir okay any other public comments okay we will be closing public comments any comments amongst yourselves well I mean I definitely sympathize with these residents and you know I think that these encumbrance Agreements are important because I I think that um we do need to start getting uh some of the abum taxes from some of these areas and if they signed the encumberance agreement when they accepted water and sewer and utilities I think that it's important to honor that however uh I do think and I hope that some of the members of city council are watching this meeting or do watch this meeting I know that they some of them do uh I I think that for things like this we need to find a way to incrementally uh increase these fees right it's the same thing with the storm water fee um we saw over 100% increase in that last year um and I mean that's that's my position on it and I think that um for now I'm I'm going to recommend that we vote no on it because I want them to watch this and figure out hey how do we how can we do this in a better way I mean it's hard time right now for everybody right the the with inflation with home insurance costs and I would I would not want to be part of some an organization or a city or whatever that increases people's mortgage by a hundred or more dollars a month you know when times are so hard I mean that's just my position um I do think there's a way to do it incrementally but I mean what do you guys think that's my opinion on it I I I would normally say that we need to Annex we need to do this I understand the logic behind it 100% but I love your point about that that if by by not approving it from this commission we are elevating it for the city council to consider some other options but I also think that and this is probably hindsight the county put us in this position a lot by all of the things that they didn't do when they were supposed to do and I think that we're kind of stuck now as our community is growing so much more and we have to come up and be maybe a little more creative so I would agree with that I that as an idea of why we would not I see so many pockets of County Properties in the city that are just sitting there that we're going to have to eventually Annex also yeah I think this is going to be an upcoming issue a lot yes I mean if you look at the city of St Cloud city limit and you look at how many areas of unincorporate oscul County are inside of that y I think this is an issue that's going to be continually coming up in the next several years and that's why I'm thinking that this is kind of an eye opener that we need to figure out how are we going to handle this so that we're not doing this to several communities and it's a shock you know what I mean right I wouldn't have guessed on how the taxes would change so much so agreed and I think it's a great idea for the unincorporated areas to become annexed in but I think the transition plan could probably use a little more work right right we can there's always the motion and with a recommendation either which way you want to go we can move forward that way it's all up to you I mean that's what we're here for see what recommendations we can give the city council yeah this this is this is a this is a volunt as I understand it from staff this is a voluntary annexation through an encumbrance right so it's you know it's a little bit awkward for the commission tonight I guess and with the public comment here being respectful of the feedback from the community but it's an encumbrance that's been in existence and was in existence at some point in time which now has become right to bring to the commission on to the council for the issues of annexation the land use and then the zoning and here we are you all are it's it's it's the when you talk about the the affectation on the property owners certainly there's an affectation in terms of the millage rate and what they will face when the next tax role comes around it doesn't anything to do with the mortgages that the individual property owners have in terms of that those things are a personal agreement between the mortgage G and the mortgage or that's that's nothing to do with that it's just going to be the well what I meant by that was most people put money in escrow as part of their mortgage payment and that escrow typically is what pays for their homeowners insurance right that's all I meant I wasn't trying to generalize and say that it was incl just want to clarify that than you CL okay yeah okay but um you know it just goes back to the the the analysis that the commission will have to make about the benefits that when you come into the city you're GNA there's going to be an expense that's going to come along with that um or I guess the benefits and obligations that roll with that that's up for you know you all now to recommend on this incumbrance um I don't I unless some legal aspect that you've identified that would preclude you from recommending approval I don't know what it would be um uh you know but that's that's what you all have to do your guide is is to go with what's been presented by from staff staff report and whether the criterias through the Land Development code have been met if they've been met you know you need to make your recommendations according can you D Mar can you agree with planed unit development zoning comprehensive plan Amendment and not annexation or does it not make sense they all have to go together so I don't understand so the incumbrance statement that council is bringing up is something that was agreed upon prior right but not to specific places like this Live Oak wasn't a specifically was it specifically drawn out and into that incumbrance agreement so the way the encumbrance annexation the encumbrance notices or the notice of of encumbrance works is that if a developer is going to build within the joint planning agreement area and they're not abing the city limits they have to enter into this agreement in order to obtain Water and Sewer because the uh too water when is the city owns fac uh facilities um provides that service so in order for the for that develop to obtain the water and sewer they have to enter into that agreement once the property is abiding the city limits which is that's the case today then that means that it it it it qualifies for that for the enactment of the ENC the notice of encumbrance there are a lot of pockets yes a lot of what we call enclaves in the City and that's part of the project that we're going to be working as the year goes moves forward we're going to take care of the ones that they were supposed to be annexed in 2017 you're going to see that around September and then you're going to see another one big comprehensive that is going to clean out the map before uh by around November um that's the goal of the planning department as directed by the city manager's office and the city council um but that's the way that not those noce of encumbrances work in order for the the the subdivision to exist that agreement needed to be signed so if anybody was to buy a house you came down here from Ohio and you buy a house somewhere unless you deeply go in and read the city ordinances and encumbrances and learning all about your piece of property you're basically saying I love this house I like this land I'm going to buy this house all of those things existed they were there we just might not have known about them and now they're coming into fruition well I I dotal I I do think that it's the encumbrance was is part of what what goes with the deed it runs with the land runs with the property it's a the the property owners are on constructive notice when they come in those those encumbrances are not hidden not hidden but still again the general public of a person does not does not absolutely dig that deep and that I'm not saying that that's not their fault but it's just it is a way for us to help Community educate our residents that this is what and and I think that it's just an aha moment it's a really big aha moment for me so it's going to continue to be an aha moment and I think that that goes back to Phil's point where we have to help educate that it is is it's it's a reality and and just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean anybody cheated you or anybody did anything wrong it's just that you didn't know about it yeah and that and that's why part of this project we the anex and comence annexation project we are doing community meetings prior to the public hearings to educate the public to answer those questions as best as we can yeah um with the with the notion that that agreement exists and the city council is the final determination board yeah all right I changed my mind I don't agree with you anymore well regardless on whether we vote yes or no on this or for or approval or denial I think that my comment stands that I think it does the city council has a responsibility to try to figure out you know ultimately these are going to become City residents so we don't want them coming into the city to no we want to figure out a way to make things a smooth transition so right but we also also have to help people remember that it is a our individual responsibili to learn as much as we can we only choose to learn what what to a certain point and and maybe we can help people to be more educated we're here to make the recommendation we could make the recommendation noted and move forward we can add that at the end after Okay add it up to your motion you ready okay all right if there's no any other discussions I will entertain a motion I'll make a motion to recommend approval of ordinance number 2024-25 based on the 16 findings within the Land Development code would you like to add anything to that motion okay we have a second or another motion uh I'll second it I have a first and second all in favor I I I all opposed no 4 to one passes yes yep okay okay we'll be now taking a motion on ordinance number 2024 d45 I'll make a motion to recommend approval of ordinance number 20 24-4 based on the 16 findings of the Land Development code I have a first do I have a second I'll second I have a first and second all in favor I I I anybody opposed no for me okay this passes 41 is that yes sir then the next one will be ordinance number 2024 - 46 I'll make a motion to recommend approval of ordinance number 2024 d46 based on the 16 findings within the Land Development code I have a first do I have a second second have a first and second all in favor I I anybody opposed no for me pass is 4 One okay and now Mr chairman I would like to say that we'd like to recommend to city council on behalf of our commission that they look into maybe how to mitigate some of the costs for residents or help them understand it a bit better okay okay last uh ordinance is uh 2024 d47 CDA 24004 [Music] good evening commission Tisha Manning zoner manager for the city of St Cloud Community Development um before you is an ordinance for the historic preservation overlay um of the Land Development code um the historic preservation overlay is basically there to um protect Resto help um buildings be restored um and encourage reuse of resources within our historic district um and it it also helps for us to have have compatibility um it it serves as you know a board that um an overlay that also helps when it comes to con new construction as well as um Redevelopment of the area just so that we do have a historic district in the city of St Cloud um So currently right now we approved um we apply for a small mansion um small matching Grant um from the division of historic resources and before you last mon was the historic preservation plan um that was part of this matching Grant so part of the requirements is that we also update our ordinance um to go along with that historic preservation plan that was presented um so this is the ordinance that we're presenting to you tonight um in which we're going to make some updates um to the ordinance so that it is um uniform with the historic preservation plan that was presented previously um So currently right now um the uh St Cloud historical survey was completed um the latest survey was 1993 we had a new survey completed in 2020 which we have not adopted and that is part of this ordinance that we have tonight um some things of accomplishments is we had the erection of the historical markers um we had um uh we sent to the National Registry for some historic places um in 2019 as well as some documents for properties that were built before 1970 um so the proposed updates to our ordinance is to add language that reflects the adoption of the historic preservation plan um we're also going to adopt the 2020 um District survey that was completed in October we're going to update language in the current ordinance instead of referring to Planning and Zoning it's going to refer to Community Development as well as we um made an update to our mind and major review process that's going to streamline the process and it's going to help our citizens understand better where they're at in the process so previously um there was no real documentation you submitted for a certificate of appropriateness we reviewed it and we responded now the process is going to be more streamlined there um as we do with all of our other development review processes when it comes in um we're going to provide comments we're going to um have things documented to show the applicant this is a stage in the process where they're at um and we're going to help facilitate more approvals prior to it being presented to the historic preservation board um staff has um reviewed the ordinance we made the updated changes so we do recommend approval and we are asking that the Planning Commission also recommend approval um for the updates that I have outlined for the ordinance of 202 24- 47 for the historic preservation plan overlay and I am available if you have any questions because the city is the applicant on this ordinance any questions for the city how old is uh considered historical in the city so 50 years so so I'm considered since I've lived in St Cloud for 50 years I could be considered historical you're historical that yes okay so to to your point um um member Griz each year more properties become eligible for historic preservation my home's hund and somewhat years old so does this expand the current District that we had um no because the current District um uh the way it's set up on our overlay um what they did is they just went out and surveyed those properties to you know find out what properties are historical and they submitted it for the National Registry there is currently another um survey on underway that is looking to expand so where our current District stops it is surveying the properties I believe from 9th Street but don't quote me I can't remember from 9th Street more toward the lakefront so each year we're going to try to um survey more properties to possibly expand the district okay all right any other questions I'll open it for public comments no public comments we we we made them go away okay uh any other comments amongst yourselves if not I will entertain a motion I'd like to make a motion to recommend approval of ordinance number I have a first and second all in favor I I anybody oppose pass it have a motion to adjourn so moved have a first do I have a second I'll second we have first second all in favor I meeting adjourned