##VIDEO ID:Cgpgbm8aE7E##  the regular session. Of the Board of Commissioners of the City of Tarpon Springs on Tuesday, August 6th, 2024 at 6:30 p.m. Roll call please. Here Vice mayor coleus. Here. Commissioner Eisner. Here. Commissioner Collins. Here. Commissioner DiDonato. Here. If we can all stand for the invocation that will be given by pastor G. Thompson of the New Life Christian Church at the end of the invocation, will turn and pledge allegiance to the flag. Let us pray. Oh gracious God, our father, we come first and foremost to say thank you for who you are. Thank you for protecting us from the eye of the storm. We come right now asking for your continued blessing upon our leadership of this great city. Continue to wrap your loving arms of protection around each and every citizen. We welcome you into this meeting so that everything that is said and everything that is done will be pleasing and acceptable in your sight. It is in this piece that we gather for the people of Tarpon Springs. It is so as we all simply say, Amen. Amen I pledge allegiance to the flag, sees America. And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Before we get into the, public comments, I have one announcement to make. Oh, by the way. Thank you, Pastor Thompson, I have one announcement to make, item nine is now deferred to September 17th, it was initially deferred to August 20th, that was shown that way on the, first publication of tonight's agenda. Let's go to, public comments. Anyone here for public comments on anything that's not on the agenda? You have four minutes. Yes, ma'am. Mayor. Thank you, David Ballard. Geddis, jr. I live on Georgia Avenue in Palm Harbor. Last month, on July 24th, a particular individual addressed our Congress. While addressing Congress, this individual stated that he is being falsely accused of poisoning the well, water and starting plagues, arguing that he and his people suffer from the oldest form of hatred in the world. Here is a diagram displaying the direct injecting of reclaimed water into the aquifer. The South Hillsborough Aquifer Recharge Program, sharp and the tap. The Tampa Augmentation Program is the direct injecting of a temporarily chlorinated nitrate load directly into our groundwater supply and in all likelihood, such nitrates will contaminate our vital groundwater resource for generations yet to come. I ask, could injecting reclaimed water fecal nitrates into our groundwater poison our water supply for years and start a plague? Here is a photograph of Wall Springs just down the street. The water quality of the aquifer is in such disrepair that I was capable of pulling out a clump of ligma algae from the spring head itself, using a single swipe from a palm frond. Furthermore here's a photograph of a multitude of chemicals that are being sprayed in every bodily every body of water in the state of Florida, veiled under some sort of aquatic weed control program to control such algae. The mixture of these chemicals are being concocted to hide the symptoms of toxic, toxic algae growth in our watersheds. As our watersheds have become toxic, I ask, is this formulation of chemicals poisoning our water supply? So I ask, is water being used as a Second Amendment weapon of choice? As a power of the earth, as written in the Declaration of Independence? Constitutionally, is our water being poisoned intending to start a plague, taking our liberty, property and life as reflected of the process in the 14th amendment is the reclaim the reclaimed water variance application states that I, the applicant, literally owe my health, my safety, and my religious convictions. It also simultaneously claims eminent domain of everything I own in statute. 150 303, section five, I ask again, is the reclaimed water variance application being used to gain our consent? Is the reclaimed water being used as a biological and chemical weapon of genocidal mass destruction against us, using our sprinkler systems as a makeshift gas chamber, taking our life property and religion and soldiering us in our homes under the Third Amendment. Under such consent. Within this variance, who is poisoning our water supply? Do they intend on causing a plague befuddling us in his context? That warlock that stood before our Congress last month is attempting to bewilder us with his deception and betrayal as constituted. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Goss. Next, please. Good evening. Mayor. Deputy mayor. Fellow commissioners, senior staff. Robert Rockline, 755 North Lake Boulevard here in Tarpon. Just wanted to start with a big thanks for director of public works, Tom Fanchon. He found a can of paint that he swore he had in the back of his closet, and he got some, some things down on Melon Street and especially the reflectors, because at night, that's an unlit street. It made a big difference. I've received a couple of, compliments or comments already, regarding that, especially during the storm, that the reflectors are visible and keeping cars to the right, which is one of the first rules of the road, I also want to congratulate him on the work on the pickleball courts. I haven't looked behind the curtain yet, but it looks like there's a lot going on. And I still say a prayer every Sunday that he finds a little, little space for a bocce court or two, whether it's the same area or not, I didn't comment at the last meeting in regards to the city management selection process, but I wanted to thank you all for the transparency and the exposure that we got to the candidates. I think you made a great choice and luckily, he has the mentorship of Mr. Licorice, who has the decades of experience to hopefully instill in him, for anything that he doesn't know. And maybe he got a chance to tour around with the storm, the other day. Maybe not, my only other request here this evening is you have all the meetings online. Most of them live, except for the technical review committee, which, of course, is once a month. It's in the morning. It's the beginning of the month, and it doesn't need to be live. It's not something that that garners public comment at the time, but it's an inconvenient time, I guess, for people to come. And if we could just see the recording, even if it's not live, just get the recording of that to have an idea of what's coming down the road, I've heard that, being asked by a couple of people, why isn't it available? So, I don't want to give work, you know, extra work to the, to tech staff, but that's something they could just turn on and come back an hour or two later and turn it off and put it on YouTube or whatever. So just for your consideration, thank you. Thank you. Mr. Rocklin. Is there anyone else? Here. It'll act as 514. Ashland Avenue, tonight's reading. Isaiah 12. In that day, you will say. I will praise you, O Lord. Although you were angry with me, your anger has turned away, and you have comforted me. Surely God is my salvation. I will trust and not be afraid. The Lord, the Lord is my strength and my song. He has become my salvation. With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation. In that day you will say, give thanks to the Lord. Call on his name. Make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted. Sing to the Lord, for he has done glorious things. And let this be known to all the world. And I kind of picked that one because I wanted to start with the theme of gratitude. It was gratitude about the way y'all handled the, city manager search. But I'm looking at a broader perspective of gratitud. We Americans sometimes get. What's the word you know, self-indulgent. So I was at Publix today and, walking around and went to go get some orange juice, and I see the Tropicana two for $7. It's on sale. That's a good deal. But then I go to grab it and I look and said, the bottle looks different. It's thinner. And I look, it's 46oz. I could have brought my old container that I still have in the fridge. Was 52, and before that it used to be 58, and before that it used to be 64oz a gallon. So what I'm talking about is shrinkflation. So all this time they've been chopping your inflation. I figured it out. So if you take those six ounces, that comes out to about 12%. So if you had that 12% into the base price, it comes out to $4 for what you paid, 350 before. So they charge you 50 like 16% more than what you were paying before. So they've built this into the whole mechanism. Do it with pasta. Do it with crackers, chips used to be 16oz, 14.6 12.8. You're lucky if the family size is ten point something, yet people are saying, oh, the price prices have always been going up. They just have been hiding it from u. So as for gratitude, the thing that really impressed me because it was earlier than some times ago is the aisles were stocked with so much. The guy was in the bread aisle. You know, those containers that they have stacked with all the bread and the guy putting out the bagels and someone putting out the milk and same thing in the produce section. We have so much to be grateful for and yet we keep complaining. So I would just like to say, look at what we have. Look what we have, and let's be grateful for it and realize that we aren't as bad off as some people try to make it seem. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Is there anyone else, in the audience, Mr. jump, are there any remote access, public comments on anything? Not on the agenda. If anyone online would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand and you'll be allowed into talk. And we do not have any raised hands at this time. Okay. Thank you, Miss Jacobs. Did we have any emails? We do not. Okay let's go to the consent agenda, does any commissioner wish to pull any of the items one through five? Okay, let me read the, the agenda, the consent agenda. Off number one, attorney's fees, a Johnson Jackson, PLLC. Invoices 1316813267B Dickman Law firm. Invoices (381) 732-3830 and 3832 and 3834. Item two Award file number 240140. Single source purchase of food and miscellaneous supplies. Item three Award file number 250004. Cat and Armed Services and Crime Scene and Fingerprint Agreement. Item four is award number. Award file number 240157. Sod pick up, deliver and install utilizing the school board of Pinellas County. Invitation to bid number 23-790-211. Item five amend file number 230155 H-vac. Equipment installation service building control systems and related products and services utilizing national Cooperative Purchasing Alliance now Omnia Partners contract number 02-123. Are there any public comments on this item? Appeared. Lacks. Two things. One B Dickman law firm invoices. I went through it and there are a lot of invoices, but they're individually at each one there's eight, 25 or 2000 whatever I would like to see. And maybe you would like to see make it easier for the public to see at the end of the invoices totality of all the invoices for that month, because you know, sit there and add them all up. I just think it'd be easy to they've got Excel spreadsheets put at the end, all the invoices, the amounts total, number two, single source purchase of food and miscellaneous supplies. I want to point something out here for the people, and you kind of maybe know it, but I want to commend our purchasing department and Janine and that if you read it, the effort they went through to go to Sam's and BJ's and Costco and do all that research to find the best way to get the best deal for the city. Some of these other items, the three, the crime scene, that's a continuation. The others, piggyback. And the other is an increase. But they showed the work that this department does for you. And sometimes the people neglect to see these small things. And when they're stuck on a consent agenda and nobody talks about it, I feel it's my imperative to point out the quality staff we have. And I just want to give commendation to them. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Delacruz, I think if you look at the Dickman invoices, you'll see the total of it at the very top of the of the invoices, and then they're broken down separately later. Are there any other public comments? Mr. jump, any remote access comments? If anyone online has comments on these items, please raise your hand and you'll be allowed into talk. And we do not have any raised hands at this time. Okay, commissioners, do any of you have any comments? We have a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda. Who seconded it? Second. Okay. Commissioner Eisner made the motion and. Okay. Roll call, please. Mr. DiDonato. Yes, Commissioner Collins. Yes Commissioner Eisner. Yes, vice mayor Coolio'. Yes. Mayor. Vatikiotis. Yes. Item six is approval of city manager employment agreement for Charles Rudd, go to public comments are there any public comments on the agreement? It lacks 514 Ashland Avenue. Before I comment on the agreement, I was a little perplexed at the meeting where they were selected the next item was a discussion to allow the city manager to move forward with it. You know, the labor attorney, but there was no discussion about any parameters as to what the board was laying down as far as what they thought was maybe a fair deal. I don't know if y'all talked individually with Mark or whatever, but that was kind of neglected. And then secondly, and no fault but in reading the backup, I read the contract. But it also in the memo stated similar to previous contracts, I would have liked to one seen what Mr. Lucas's contract, the current one is to compare it, and secondly to get his current salary to compare it to what we're offering. All that being said, I think this is a fair contract. I think it's great that he'll be able to start October 1st. I think everything in there is, appropriate, for someone starting at a city our size and the things they're going to have to deal with in the coming years. And thank you. Okay. Thank you. Are there any other public comments on the new city manager's contract? Mr. Jump, any, remote access comments? If anyone online would like to make a public comment on this item, please raise your hand and you'll be allowed to talk. And we do not have any raised hands at this time. Okay, city manager, of course. You had a hand in, negotiating. Would you like to say a few words? Yes. It was a very easy negotiation and fair. As you see, the fair contract there, the what you see, that wasn't in mind, obviously, when I took the job, I had to agree to not take any more retirement since I had a police department retirement, not take a city one. This retirement in here is the same retirement that the city employees gets. The general employees, it's their retirement thing. So it's not special. It's not an outlandish asking. He went with the thing. So every everything is the normal stuff in any city manager in this county negotiates. Those are some normal things, the negotiating the car allowance as opposed to the vehicle saved about 35 to 37,000. And Mr. Herrings that he had planned for doing it. So overall, this is within what Mr. Herring had put away for this also to account for me, in the three months to go. So the very fair contract, very agreeable, very easy individual to deal with and looking forward to be there. He's probably listening online on, on the zoom, probably listening right now if there's any questions. But it's straightforward and something you see, in the other contracts, so very easy to negotiate and it's a great deal for what was budgeted and set aside for the city to bring them forward in. Our personnel attorney, Miss Jackson, was Miss Jackson, who's negotiated contracts for the last 20 or more years and stuff, you know, very quickly got this agreement and got it together for all of us to do and bring forward to you. So we get it tonight so he can give his final notice and set that we have this contract. That's what the importance was to hurry up and get it to tonight's meeting and not wait two more weeks so he can start his process, because he's got a city that he's got to complete the budget with two before he leaves. So that's why it was important to get it on tonight's tonight's, meeting to go through, Mr. Dickman, do you have a chance to look over the contract? I know you wanted to get looped in on it. Yes, mayor, I did look at it. And, I also know your labor attorney from other. Other. She's she's. Well regarded, it's your standard employment agreement for a city manager. It seems to have all the necessary terms in there that I've seen. Anyway, I'm not a labor and employment expert, but I've seen, quite a few of these types of employment contracts, so it looks pretty normal to me. Thank you. Yep. Okay. Commissioners, any comments from the commission? No comment. Okay. May I have a motion to approve in a second, please. So moved. Second, I think Frank. Frank beat me to it. Commissioner Kuliana seconded. Yeah Okay. Roll call please. Commissioner DiDonato. Yes, Commissioner. Persis. Yes, Commissioner Eisner. Yes, vice mayor. Coolio's. Yes, mayor. Yes Okay. Discussion and direction. Item seven. Discussion. Direction of, rules of procedure, it's the annual review. So, let me go ahead and, ask for any public comments on this item. Parallax, 514 Ashland Avenue, I read through it again today, and really, all I've already kind of set some pretty good rules to go by, so really, it's maybe a matter of tweaking something here or there. And the only thing I thought that might be worthy of tweaking is with regards to the public comments on zoom. Right now, you're limited to two minutes. I'm going to explain something to you. One, when we're on the call and the other end, we don't hear any buzzer at two. So sometimes we do talk and other people maybe go three minutes. So I would recommend going to three minutes. I know you might feel it's too far for four, but at least three is a compromise between your in house and the zoom. And the reason why I say that is because now you've had a chance to experience zoom and call ins, and it's not that muc. It's not like you've got ten people on it. So far tonight. No one's talked. So when someone does want to talk, at least give them a little more time because they took the time to be watching and paying attention for some reason, maybe they can't be here. So that's the only thing I really saw that stood out. The other stuff about agendas and the process for quasi and ordinances and resolutions, I don't really see any need to change any of that. The other thing that I kind of thought about is when you talk about the social media and you have to send all your text messages in and your voicemails, and I don't know if that's a policy now, but let's say if I was on the board, if I was a commissioner and I was under those new rules, now, I would say, you want me to do city business and have it give me a city phone and then you have access to everything, and I'll put that number on my card. And anybody who calls or texts me says, hey, I want to call or text this number makes it easy for everybody. That was just a suggestion. Thank you. Thank yo. Are there any other public comments? Mr. jump, any remote access comments? If anyone online, I'd like to make a public comment on this item, please raise your hand and you'll be allowed into talk. And we do not have any raised hands at this time. Okay. Thank you, let's go to, the commission and, I'm going to start down by seniority, vice mayor, Julius, you got anything, I mean, I was looking at it as the one, resident just mentioned about the zoom calls and or the zoom participation. I would actually be interested to have a smoother, more efficient meetin, be interested in removing zoom comments from public comments at the beginning. And consent agenda, consent agendas are items that, if you ask your city attorney or very straightforward and, you know, and resolutions or anything else or, you know, when it comes to procurement purchases and public comments at the beginning, I think it's 630. There's usually a lot of participation with people here. And I think the most important thing about zoom comments and participation comes when it's the special consent agenda, when it's the ordinance and resolutions. I think their participation during that time is vital and important, and I would like to keep that, but I'd be interested in taking it away from those first two areas to help smooth out the meeting. Would there be anything I mean, like, can you summarize it in specific? Because what we're going to do tonight is actually, listen to the recommendations, specific ones. And then, the Miss Jacobson and the attorney are going to come back and in the form of a resolution that we're going to go through them again. So if you could speak loudly on specific items that you want to see, okay, I would be interested in not having zoom comments for, reflection any, any, proclamations or public comments at the beginning of the meeting as well as the consent agenda portion of the meeting. No, no proclamations, no comments on that. No. No comments, no zoom comments on the proclamations. Oh, you mean on the yes, on the proclamation? Yes. Yeah Or public comments or. Yeah, I, I think in the old days that used to be the case. Just read the proclamation. It wasn't for discussion and, but sometimes people feel like they're, connected to whatever the organization is and they want to say something. But I have absolutely no problem with, not having public comments as part of the proclamation is that I think that's the gist of it. Is that correct? Will that but also the zoom comments, zoom comments? Zoom comments? No. Zoom comments for proclamations, the beginning of public comments and consent agenda items. It's pretty much half the meeting, but that first half of the meeting is should run pretty smooth and efficient. And I know we want to get people to participate, but where people really make their voices heard are during the special consent agenda and the ordinance and resolutions, when it may be later on in the evening. So I think, getting back to the original point, as far as what the commission would like to, to see, let's go ahead and put them on the table and then we'll see them in writing. And then we can go through and deal with each one that's been proposed. Commissioner, vice mayor, you're you're through. That's it for now, Commissioner Eisner, so I'm not in disagreement to what I just heard, I think we have to remind ourselves that we do want to hear from the residents, but the zoom was originally, dedicated to people not being able to come here because of Covid. A and B, it was also to be, for people that were handicapped and could not make it to the meeting. So, I think that it, it warrants us, allowing some speech to be made by people that can't be here. But what tends to happen is, and this is where it makes it a deterrent. People come here for half the meeting or part of the meeting. They speak at this part, then they go home and they're speaking at that part. Meanwhile we're staying here and, you know, we're listening to things that, you know, for an extended period of time. When it's a short meeting, it's not a problem. When it's a long meeting, it's just not appropriate. So I'm okay with what I just heard, as far as the zoom calls that we have, extending it with minutes, you know, I don't think we cut people off abruptly any which way. So, you know, people do go over the amount of minutes the only other thing that I want to bring up, and I do not want this to be, in, in, description of this board, per se, but I would like to see in the future, more participation from the, vice mayor position that they're more so to be if someone's going to take the position to be more present at all of the functions that need to be, that's not discussing this particular, the other thing, I also, as I spoke about earlier, was one more thing about, and again, this is not about this particular board, but I believe if we do make an appointment, they should not run for, city commission afterwards. So those are the comments that I want to put down. Okay Thank you. Commissioner Koulianos, what do you have? I'd like to start the meetings at 6 p.m. instead of 630, that might help us get out sooner. I think, I mean, a compromise on the proclamation comments could be to limit comments on proclamations to two minutes that could help if we want to keep, comments alive on proclamations and then I think we started some comments. Something with, attorney Cardash before she left regarding posters in the auditorium, right now we have it's I you know, we have to have judgments about whether a poster, is offensive, whether it's appropriate to be here in the in the auditorium, and we never got anything back from attorney Cardash on that. So maybe it's something Mr. Dickman could look into as far as, how that could be, so better clarification, you're talking about posters that are held up during comments. Not right. For example, say somebody in the know. Well, obviously, we know what poster we're talking about. We're talking about one that had offensive, it was offensive towards a religion. Okay Right. I'm not making a big deal about it. It's just we had we had talked about having Attorney Cardash look, look into it. She left, and maybe Mr. Dickman could do that. But I would like to see them. I would like to see the meeting start at 6:00. It would be better for the staff. They don't have to wait around as long right now. They get off at five. They got to be here for an hour and a half waiting around, especially if meetings drag on. Sometimes they're here till, you know, 10 or 11:00 at night, an extra half hour might be helpful for them. So that's. Those are my minor points. I know in the past, the, if you remember the 6:00 with some of the commissioners that worked, down county, it was tough for them to get here by 6:00. That's not the case. I don't think now, but, in any case, we can we can certainly talk about that. Go ahead. You're done. No, these are just items to think about, that's all. Okay the question I had as far as, the, the posters, but also photographs. I remember a long time ago, were more people required to give the commission or the clerk copies of those as part of the public record? They were. Is that right? And we don't do that now, as far as the posters that they and I don't know whether that's critical or not, or is that a public record when that whenever that's shown to us, if, if someone is speaking and they ar. There might be a distinction between just general public comment and on an item that's on the agenda if they're presenting something. I do think that that needs to be provided to the city clerk. So we can make a distinction between anything that's not on the agenda, the public comments at the beginning, I think. So let me look into that. But for sure, if that's the only that's the only caveat is that just general public comment. Maybe not. But for sure on anything else, if somebody has something, they're showing it to you. I think that it's going to reflect in the record on the minutes and people are going to look, you know, if they refer to it, then they won't have that image of whatever it is. So I do think those need to be handed into the clerk's office. Thank you, anything else? Commissioner Koulianos, Commissioner DiNardo, I have one, and it may be just a point of clarification for me. So, a few meetings ago, we got done before we got done about seven, and then we had to wait till 730 to do ordinances and resolutions, I don't understand why we need to do that. In the past, we've actually. If people wanted to be on the agenda earlier or later, we've we've shifted them around and announced it, just like you did with number nine being deferred. So I'd rather not waste that. Along with what Commissioner Koulianos is saying starting at six. I have no problem with that either. And mainly because of staff, but to waste 30 minutes, I just, I don't know why we need to do that. If y'all could help me understand it. I mean, I can see logic, but it I, I can't it's 30 minutes that we, we didn't do anything. So I just would like to see that changed. Okay is that it on that. Do you have anything else? No Okay, I, the, I'm also interested in doing something about the 730, the reason that was put in there was, we used to have a lot more controversial issues where people would show up and they'd be waiting and then sometimes we'd have some pretty, long winded, which I don't think that's the case with what we've got. Right now, special consent items. And that takes us way late. And there's a lot of, engineers, architects, developers, attorneys for the developers waiting in the audience. And that was felt. And a lot of the, staff that we needed, staff consultants. So forth. So we instituted that 730 so that we would get to that point. I don't think we need it right now either, but but that's going to be okay. You agree with that city manager? Yeah. I didn't like it when it went in. It hasn't. Or have you seen the impediments of it to do I say you can always change it around. But you know we're not able to get those items. In fact, we can always waive the rules and do a case by case basis if, if that's, you know, the mayor's got that prerogative to request that. And, and but with that in there, the biggest thing with that in there, you're announcing the people ordinance resolution. That's not going to start at 730. So you would need that out of there because you can't change that because the expectation is we don't have to be the 730 and that's removed. And it's just the old agenda. Like before, they have the expectation to be here at 630. And then if you move them, move them up, move them back, they're here and prepared. And that was the hindrance to that. 730 because you could not start it early because of the expectation of announcing it. So that's been the hindrance of that policy. Okay So that's the one thing. The, also, you know. I think just as a courtesy, when we have public comments at any time when people have something to say after the first person is up at the podium, that says it, I don't think this commission should wait until everybody's looking at each other to see who's next. You know, positioning themselves at one end of the auditorium and then kind of getting up and not knowing where the person's going to make a comment, go to the bathroom or whatever until they show up in this last panel, right behind where the fire chief is sitting, which indicates that they might have a, a public comment to make. So I'd like to see the rules of procedure changed to where, anybody that has a comment after the first person gets up and makes that comment had better be somewhere in the row and make themselves seen so that we know there's going to be more than one person that's going to have a public comment, rather than the whoever is up there stops, and then all of a sudden we're just kind of waiting to see if there's anybody else. And finally somebody gets up and walks over to the podium. I just think that as a courtesy to the commission, that's needed. I don't think that's an inconvenience with anybody that's here, especially if they've got something to say. They ought to be eager to say it, not just sit there and take their time until I don't know what the issue is with that. But that's the one thing I'd like to see. Also, I had spoken to the clerk about this, as soon as a person gets up at the podium to start the clock, she and I worked that out, and that happens. But I would also like it to be formalized in our rules. So there isn't any, somebody that gets up there and goes through a, you know, a couple of yoga positions before they start speaking, that's when they get there, the, the time made. I'd like for them to start as soon as they walk up the podium. If they want to sit there and think about what they're going to say for 10 or 15 seconds, fine. But that's on their time, the other thing is, emails read into the record. We've had a couple we've we've had controversy on those and, oftentimes, we get them late an, and, you know, we haven't really had time to look them over to see if they're authentic or not, if they're anonymous and they're, they're a, they're a public record, that's for sure. It doesn't have to have a person on there. But when they're fictitious and there's false information on the form that's filled out, we have no. And then the message itself is somewhat caustic, of some individual up here. We have no idea whether that's a genuine, public record or not. So, I think the city clerk has some ideas, and I don't really think we should discuss those. I mean, I'd like for the city clerk to come back with their own ideas of how to improve the process. And, she and I talked about that a little bit. Mr. Dickman, this may be new to you, but it's something that we've had some problems with in the past. And quite frankly, the public gets upset. Half the public want it. Read the other people feel that it doesn't need to be read, and then it's still a public record that can be obtained from the clerk's office, but just not read here. Yeah, I do have an opinion on it, but I can I'll set up a meeting with the city clerk and we'll put our heads together. But I do have an opinion. I prefer to just discuss it with her first and then. Okay Yeah, I think so. I'd like to know a little bit more about the history of how that that's occurred and a little bit more about that. Okay. And again, I just want the problem solved. I don't have the solution. That's Mr. Dickman and Miss Jacobs, job to do that. Also, the social media, in our rules of procedure, paragraphs A, B and C, that applies to our commissioners. And I don't know that, we can extend our rules of procedure to public officials, which includes advisory boards and, I think charter officials and things like that, is that something that we can look into or generally, these rules of procedure are only for the, elected officials. I can look into it, but I notice that your charter does say develop rules for all meetings, so these rules apply for all meetings? Well, no, no, because I was looking at your charter, and I. First of all, I want to commend you all for having some rules, because I've been at cities where there are no rules and they just go along. So kudos to you. But I see in your charter that you're actually required to create rules. But it says for all meetings. So I want to sort of determine whether that means all your advisory meetings as well as the BoCC meetings. But yes, you can, yes, we can definitely apply things to the they are officials of the city, considered officials. Your elected officials, their appointed officials. But under the ethics code of the state of Florida and also your ethics code, they are considered officials. All right, I know historically, when we've created a new board, we've also asked them to create their own guidelines for their meetings and things, which they've done. I don't know whether we wind up approving them. Do you recall, Miss Jacobs, we have to go back and look at all of them, because each board differs and we were trying to get at least some set policies that never got established. Yeah. I, we did talk about that with, I did talk about that with attorney Dickman, and we have to have some more meetings on that to I think the social media paragraph nine, a B and C were actually put in there, I think again, that was Miss Cardassia's handiwork because it was basically a hole that we had and we were trying to prevent ourselves from getting into trouble. And so, if y'all can look into that and if you can extend our rules to those, with that same paragraph, that'd be great. And then I also mentioned the 730, time frame, you know, if we can eliminate that, at least let's talk about that in the form of the resolution. Commissioner Eisner, you have your light on again. Yes. Thank you. Mayor, I wanted to, add to your, email comment because we don't in our rules, we don't allow people to single out any commissioners here. You have to be addressed. So I don't think that we should have it where an email is sent out and we're to read it in any which way, unless it's addressed to the commission. And, so that would kind of stop all of that. What has happened in the past? I think that we have that in our rules of procedure that if you can't, you know, singly attack or make comments, you know, derogatory comments to any one. Commissioner, you shouldn't be able to do it in an email as well, if I, if I'm hearing you correctly, which is sometimes a question, for me, not you, that you're not getting it, you're stating it clear the, I do know that these emails, when we receive them, through our emails, package that we have, our IT package, miss, Jacobs sends them to our attorney to have them review those to see if they're consistent with our guidelines. The very last one, the determination was made that it was inconsistent with the guidelines, but then in the discussion, it began to get a little unclear. And the, you know, there was some question of whether we were infringing on freedom of speech issues. But it is a limited public forum which we can make our own rules for that. It's not just a pure public forum where you can stand up in the middle of a university campus and speak your mind. So maybe we need to fine tune that a little bit, or just maybe, yeah, that should be part of the work that Mr. Dickman and Miss Jacobs are going to do on this anyway. Is that is that basically what you're getting at? Fine Yes. Okay, Vice Mayor, do you have anything else? I just wanted to follow up, so, just to reiterate and even maybe with emails, maybe we don't need to have emails read into the record for proclamations, special presentations, public comments, or consent agenda. Maybe if they're just read into the record on special consent and ordinances, resolutions, they're geared towards the topic themselves without singling out any commissioner, I think it still gets people's ability to be involved in the really important, you know, decisions that we make during those those two, Periods. And so maybe we could do no zoom comments or email comments during those portions mentioned, the 6:00 pm, I don't want to support, I know staff does wait around, but we also, it does help me as well. I'm not going to lie. I, you know, it's, it's a busy day for me. And actually, 30 minutes does help being able to get here. But also, I think it's important for the residents to be able to have enough time to get here for meetings and 6:00 and 630 and people's everyday lives, and you know, how they're getting their kids back home or whatever their situations are, I think helps give them enough time to get here to get involved. If they they choose to. Thank you. Yeah, actually, now that I think about it, that was one of the issues as well, was residents getting here from South County that had something they had to say. And I remember I'd gotten a call you did too, about, you know, we don't we can't make it there in time. And that was one of the reasons we did the emails as well. So I understand we can talk about that some more, Commissioner Kulina, she got your light on. Now, you make a you make a good point with, the residents having an opportunity to get here, you know, I philosophically, you know, I think about what you know, and you you said the words limited public forum, we're balancing, allowing citizens to come up and express themselves with our ability to conduct business in a the best, most concise manner. Right. You know, we are here to conduct the business of the city, you know, I've been to London, and if you if you've ever been to London and you go into Hyde Park, there's people on Soapboxes all over Hyde Park and they're talking about, you know, aliens coming down. They're talking about Elvis is pumping gas up in Minnesota. They're talking about all kinds of things. And people can stop and listen to whatever they want to talk about. That's cool. But that's not here. Now, outside, you can go stand on the steps of the city hall and you can talk about whatever you want. But in here, this is just my opinion. This is one man's opinion that we're here to conduct the business of the cit, and the comments that are made should be conducive. And along the lines of helping us to conduct the business of the city and for the citizens to express themselves about you know, whether their streets are clean, whether their garbage is getting picked up, whether they're happy about something they should have a right to come. This is their opportunity to talk to us as a collective body. So, you know, it's I, I don't think any of these comments I'm making solve anything, but this is what goes through my mind is how do we give the citizens an opportunity to speak, have concise meetings, because this is not good. Like like you're saying, letting having people have the time to get here, that's important. But also not doing business at 1:00 in the morning. That's not good either, because those everybody's, you know, asking citizens who have to go to work the next day to hang around here to 1:00, I mean, there was one meeting, I think I got to bed at 230. It's, you know, that's not I don't think that's good government, so and it's definitely not transparent government because people can't hang around here that long. So I think, you know, I think we do a good job. I think, mayor, I think you're doing a fine job for of trying to you. Well, you do a very you you really try to let citizens get their say and to do all that and, and, but it's, it's a, it's a collective thing. It's, it's also the citizens respecting us as well. You know, getting up and if you don't really have anything to say, don't waste time just because you want to talk, so it's I, I there's no point to this rambling I'm doing other than. No, there is. I think that we have to balance that. And I think that's what we're trying to do here. And I think that's the comments we're all making. It's okay because we've got the 730. Yeah, well I can I can filibuster nine minutes. But anyways anyway that that's those are the comments as a matter of fact. Does anybody else have anything to say. No, actually the only thing that I yeah, I agree with you completely, but when you say on the steps of City Hall, there is an issue with that. And if you'd like to explain that blocking access to the City Hall would not be okay. No, it gets an idea. How about that? But there wasn't too long ago that we weren't tested, remember? And we wound up on Facebook about, all kinds of, criticism of, denying people their freedom, right to freedom of speech. So anyway, small detail, who else? We have eight more minutes to ramble. Should we take should we take a break and. Yeah, we're fine. All right, why don't we? We have a we have some things a consensus of what we want to bring back for what's the next step? I know the next steps to getting together. I think the idea was, I think there's maybe close to a consensus with most of things. I think, Miss Jacobs and Miss Dickman know what the commission is looking for. Maybe they can. Maybe Mr. Dickman's kind of questioning that a little bit, but that's okay, we've got two weeks or so or whatever you want to bring it back, and answer some of the things had a three consensus on it. Yeah. Mayor, I'm still confused on the time, the potential time change, which I do not want to support. Let's let's go ahead and talk about those. Miss Jacobs, we've got the time right. The six, 630. I think. Mr, Commissioner Curliness, you're okay with leaving it at 630? Yeah. Okay. I think you know, you make a good point, but, 636, the 730 idea. I'm hoping there's a consensus that maybe we can live without that, and by the way, remember the whole idea between behind having the rules in the form of resolution rather than an ordinance is we can change it at any meeting. So if something needs to be done, we can bring it back, the annual review is the maximum that we would go through without making any changes. We can always make an individual change as we go along. So, we can eliminate the, the 730, time frame, does everyone agree with the comments as far as the, the podium, lining up in the, at least showing yourself that you're going to be making a comment rather than waiting until the, people get up there. Or how about just could you just ask them to just come down if you're going to be speaking tonight to come down a little closer? Yes. Invite them to do that. I don't I just, I just we don't know. We're sitting here and mayor, I think you that I think that's your prerogative when you believe it's enough. The people have lined up, you can see them. I don't know that. We need to put it in. You don't think it's a big issue? I think I think that's all I think. I think it's your prerogative if you if you believe everybody has has. I don't think it's your job to scan the audience to see if somebody might pop up. I think if they're if they're not there and you think that everyone has, we don't need to have that in the rules. You just you move along. Is that everybody okay with that? That's fine. Okay. Thank you. The, the other thing I think, Mr. Dickman, you mentioned to me that other places have cards, right? People fill out cards to somebody. I think it was Mr. Dickman. Go ahead. Yeah. Speaker cards are very common in public, meetings like this, where that way there's usually set up at the back of the room or something. They can state what item they're on and they can hand it to the city clerk, and then they get handed to you, and then you know, how many people are going to speak, okay. But if somebody does come in and they they haven't filled out a speaker card, you really don't deny them. But at least it kind of moves the process along a little bit. Okay. And yeah, and you have a record of it as forward Pinellas is that way, yeah. So I don't think we need to we're there yet. The only concern I have about giving you giving me that leeway without it being written down, there's absolutely no doubt that somebody is going to be critical that, you know, I'm just jumping the gun and, you know, basically, just being, rude or whatever you want to describe it ought to be in the mayor. Okay I know that quite clearly. All right. So, the other part of it was the, there was another comment I had, the timing of it. Miss Jacobs will just do that. That doesn't need to be included. The other thing was on the, the, posters. Is that what you're. I'll look into that. That's something I do want to look into in terms of. Okay. Is that all right? Mr. Dickman is going to look into that. What else was it? Well comments on proclamations. Could we compromise and just limit those to two minutes? I meant zoom comments and email comments on proclamation. If someone's physically here and you know they're here to talk on a proclamation or public comments at the beginning, but I think maybe that would be a good thing to reduce them to two minutes. They're not really substantive issues. They're just yeah, you know, let's go ahead and talk about, eliminate the zoom comments for proclamations. But cutting it back from 4 minutes to 2 minutes. And is that is that acceptable at least let's look at it in writing and see whether it is, I, the rules of the, the social media rules. Mr. Dickman is going to look into that and see if we can get them to apply to other things. Okay. What else did somebody bring up, is that it? Commissioner Eisner, did you have anything that I haven't mentioned or we haven't mentioned here? No, but I did. Do you want me to re read, speak about what I mentioned, or are you or is that going to be discussed? But did we cover it already? Well, well, I spoke about it. Yeah. We just didn't discuss it up here, but that's okay. I mean, it could be discussed down the road all right. Anything else, on this side? Nothing. It's 728. So, we'll have two minutes. Right Let's just recess for two minutes, and then we'll reconvene at 730, recessed at 728. We can stretch our legs or. Do reconvene the meeting at 733. Actually. See what I do with my agenda? Yeah. Let's go to, ordinances. And we only have one. And it's a quasi judicial. It's ordinance 2024-04, application 2433 habitat for humanity property rezoning. Mr. Dickman, if you could read the ordinance by title, give the instructions for quasi judicial proceedings and swear anyone in that may be here. Yes, sir. Mayor, ordinance 2024-04. An ordinance of the City of Tarpon Springs, Florida, amending the official zoning atlas for Point three one acres more or less of real property located at 433 East Harrison Street on the northwest corner of Harrison Street and south Levi Avenue. From residential multifamily M district to, R 61 and two family residential district providing for findings and providing for an effective date. So as you mentioned, this is quasi judicial. So let me explain that a little bit, this is a quasi judicial proceeding where the Board of Commissioners acts in a quasi judicial, rather than legislative capacity as a quasi judicial hearing. It is not the board's function to make law, but rather to apply the law that has already been established in a quasi judicial hearing. The board, is required by law to make findings of fact based upon the evidence presented at the hearing, and apply those facts of those and apply those findings of facts to previously established criteria contained in the Code of Ordinances, in order to make a legal decision regarding the application before it. The board may only consider evidence at this hearing that the law considers competent, substantial, and relevant to the issues. If the competent, substantial, and relevant evidence at the hearing demonstrates that the applicant has met the criteria, established in the code, then the board is required by law to find in favor of the applicant. By the same token, if the competent, substantial and relevant evidence at the hearing demonstrates that the applicant has failed to meet the criteria established in the code, then the board is required by law to find against the applicant. So, what one of the things that we will do is not only swear in any witnesses, but also after that we'll have, ex party disclosures of, of that's of interest. So, any anyone here to speak on this item, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do alright. So, at this point, since it is quasi judicial, there is a necessity to remove that presumption of prejudice by disclosing anything that any, any, any private research you may have done, any people you may have spoken with about this item, any contact you may have outside of this forum. No, no. Okay. No conflict of interest with anybody. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Dickman. You're welcome, Miss Mcniece, please. Yes Pat McNeese, planning supervisor. Filling in for Renee this evening. She's still stuck in Virginia, having a good time with her mom. Okay, this is habitat for Humanity of Pinellas County, and they are here to ask for a rezoning at 433 East Harrison Street, the property is in the residential medium. Future land use category. It is currently zoned residential multifamily, and they are asking for a rezoning to our 60. It's just under a third of an acre. It is a single vacant parcel. The applicant would like to split that into two conforming lots under the R 60 district, and build a single family, detached single family home on each lot. This property was conveyed to the applicant by the city, and it is restricted to the purpose and mission, that, of habitat for humanity. There is a special warranty deed in your packet and there's also a copy of the, Board of Commissioners packet for that item that you all, acted on in October, to convey the property. The property is on the north west corner of East Harrison Street, South Levis. So you can see it's a fairly large parcel for that area. The surrounding area has a mix of housing types and products, multifamily. Much of this is under the management of the housing Authority. We have single family along East Harrison, adjacent to the applicant's property. We have some single family up here on Morgan, and of course, Dorset Park and the fundamental school across the street. This is an oblique aerial of the site showing, it's mostly disturbed with 1 or 2 trees. Again, single family adjacent. There's a single family home behind it, to the north. And there, is a mix of single family and multi-family around it. So this, this property is part of what was originally three lots platted in 1961. You can kind of see that dashed line going up and down. These were three lots oriented to East Harrison Street at some point in the past. The three lots were combined, and then the North lot was subsequently subsequently split off, 50ft. Of that was was split off. So hold on, that would be where that house with the green roof is north of the site. And that's addressed on Levis. So the applicant wants to take what remains, which is about 13,000ft■!S, split it into two conforming lots in the R 60 district, and that would give them, an east and west lot, and they'd be able to put, one single family on each. This is a very conceptual, layout. And you all have seen the applicant has been, building houses, especially in the older uptown, portions of Tarpon in the older neighborhoods. So you've seen, I'm sure you're familiar with the product that they typically built. This is just a Google map view of the site showing the conditions. And this is the current zoning. All of this area here, the R, M and R 60 is under that residential medium. Future land use map category. That's your highest density 15 units per acre. And it typically is the underlying, future land use for our 60 R 70 residential mobile, sorry, residential multifamily, if you were to build a single family home in the r m, you would have to comply with R 70 standards. So it's that older plat neighborhood conservation type of zoning. So R 60 is appropriate in this area. So again the R 60 category is consistent with the residential medium future land use. And the available uses are appropriate and compatible with the surrounding area. The planned uses for two single family residences. And again this will provide an infill moderately priced I'll say, workforce level type housing. It's affordable. It's not technically state law affordable, but the applicants here and can explain more if you have questions about that, this does provide, promote the efficient, orderly development of the city because it's new housing going to lend stability to this neighborhood. And, provide that infill housing and the infrastructure and services are already in place. So staff is recommending approval of ordinance 2020 404 to rezone from residential multifamily to R 61 and two family residential, there were no responses to the public notice. There was a mino, small typing error in the first, legal ad in the paper, the, the, acronym for multifamily was incorrect. That has been corrected, for the second ad, which will appear in the times tomorrow for your second reading, which is scheduled for August 20th. The planning and Zoning Board did hear this item on July 15th, with the full board present, and they unanimously recommended approval of the ordinance. Are there any questions for me? Sadat. Miss Thank. Okay. Let's go to, Commissioner questions? Commissioner Eisner. So just a quick question, converting it or changing it from the, r m to the r 60 allows two properties because of the difference of the amount of square footage, right. If you left it at 7000, you'd need 14,000. You have 13.5, correct? That's correct. Okay. That that was my only question. I was just looking for clarification. Okay, Commissioner DiDonato, do you have anything, on this side either, okay, does the applicant, have any questions for Miss Mcniece? Okay miss Mcniece, you'd like your staff report entered. Entered into evidence? Yes. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, you're the applicant presentation, do you have anything that you would like to say? If you do, please get up and. Okay. That's good. You don't have to say anything. All right, Mr. Mayor, just. I just want to make it clear for the record. So the applicant is, probably adopting and incorporating the staff report, which is, considered competent, substantial evidence. Okay. Thank you. Public, I'm sorry. Public questions. Any any comments or questions from the public? Okay Wherever my let's, going to go ahead and close the public portion of the meeting and, let's go to Commissioner discussion, comments or anything. Anything No, I mean, oh, sorry. Remote access comments. Mr. jump. Thank you, Commissioner Koulianos. If anyone online would like to make a public comment on this item, please raise your hand and you'll be allowed into talk. We do not have any raised hands at this time. Okay. Thank you, commissioners. Any comments? Yes. I just wanted to, thank habitat for humanity and staff how they work to make the two non-conforming lots, make it three basically on that original properties. And, it's a prime piece of property right there. And so and so whoever, does fit the application process can be very blessed and special. And I just want to thank again, habitat for humanity and their rezoning narrative letter that they wrote. And one statement that I really appreciate the intention and plan for future homes is to include and give current residents from tarpon from the Tarpon Springs community first opportunity to purchase the homes through the Habitat Communities Affordable Home Ownership program. And so I just really appreciate that. And, I think the community does as well. Thanks, Commissioner. I'm sorry, Commissioner, vice mayor. I'm done, Commissioner Koulianos. Anything. Anything, yeah. I always, wanting to support the habitat for humanity. They serve an important purpose here in town. I think this project is going to be another one of their good ones, they're all good, and it's always a real pleasure. To be present at a ribbon cutting or the new home is presented to the new owners, along with their key, they're presented with a Bible. They give everyone an opportunity to say some very nice things about the homeowners. The habitat for humanity, the new home. So and there's usually, I'd say 30, 30 plus people there at each one of these groundbreakings, which I think is, is, shows that there's a lot of support for something like this. And they're always at 9:00 in the morning, major touring. Do you have anything you want to say, no. No. Okay. That's okay, city management, of course. You got anything you want to say? No. Okay. If not, this is the first reading of ordinance, 2024-04, application two four dash 33. May I have a motion to approve in a second, please? So moved second. Okay There's no further comments. Roll call. Yes Yes, Commissioner Eisner? Yes. Vice mayor. Cool. Yes. Yes, mayor Vatikiotis. Yes. Okay mayor, just for the record, the, second reading will be on August 20th. August 20th. Did you have a question, Commissioner Collins? That's the one I got deferred. You're thinking of. Okay okay. All right. Well, that ends the agenda. Unless I'm not seeing something. And, Major Doreen, you got anything? No. I'm happy to be here, but if I can go back the habitat thing. It's always a pleasure having you here. Thank you. Just watching the families that come back to the community that are able to buy these homes is very special to all of us. So I like the work that you're doing and seeing, people from the community be able to afford homes to come back to their community and do great things. It's always a pleasure and a privilege. So thank you. The commission and habitat for humanity, for allowing our people to come back and be able to live and enjoy the place where they grew up. And they they now work and now able to reside. Thank you. That's all. Thank you. Thank you, major Mathis. Mr. Dickman, do you have anything? No, sir. I don't. Okay. City manager, of course. Yes. As I told you, in front of you, the, attorney Salzman is asking for a shade meeting, on direction on this final phase of the lawsuit with Trask. Daniel, the request is for 530, upstairs, second floor conference room in the memo is on your desk, those the people are going to be there. And, this is the decision made. There's several ways to go on this, and you'd like to get that to move forward and finally put this thing to an end. So the request is 530 Thursday, second floor conference room. And attendance. Mayor Costa Vatikiotis Panayiotis. Yes. Vice mayor Mike Eisner, Commissioner John Coolio's. Commissioner. Frank Donato. Commissioner. Mark. Of course. City manager. And Andrew Salzman, city attorney. Okay, the meeting will be one hour. And just to be very specific, it's the subject. Litigation is trash. Daniel LLP versus City of Tarpon Springs 23-006756. See I, I believe so, if there's, no comments. That you can't make it or anything like that if I get a motion and a second to approve motion to approve. Are you okay with that, Commissioner? Second roll call, please. Mr. DiDonato. Yes, Commissioner. Colina. Yes, Mr. Eisner? Yes. Vice mayor. Cool. Yes. Yes, mayor. Vatikiotis Yes. Okay. Anything else? City manager. That's all, Miss Jacobs, I have no comments. Thank you. Okay, vice Mayor Julius, no comments. Commissioner Eisner, I just want to thank Maureen Mathis for being here. And he is always present at all the habitat for humanity as well. So I thank you for your contribution and your hard work to make sure that everybody's happy. So thank you. He can't cook brisket, but he's good at everything else, Commissioner Koulianos, you kno, I want to kind of piggyback off what. Peter Delacruz was talking about and about reasons to be happy. Reasons to, be thankful. You know, in the Bill of rights, in the, you know, in the Declaration of Independence, it talks about the pursuit of happiness. You know, they were thinking about that back then, and they didn't have a lot of reasons, as many reasons as we have today to be happy, you kno, they, they didn't have the abundance of food. Like Mr. Delacruz said. They didn't have, indoor plumbing. They didn't have, you know, their transportation wasn't as good as ours. I mean, Commissioner Eisner could tell you those buggies were rough to ride on, you know, and so, you know, we have a lot to be happy in our town. And, you know, we and the majority of the residents are happy with what we have. You know, we have a hospital. We have college, we have, you know, beautiful parks and recreation for our kids. And and, you know, great services provided by our police department to keep us safe and our fire department and all those things. And, you know, we, you know, social media, you know, you were talking about social media and, and, you know, it's a place where people air grievances a lot, but it's nice and, and some people, you know, live lives of perpetual grievance, but, it's nice to hear, like, Robert Rockline got up today and said all the nice things that that he thought the city had done, and, and, we don't hear enough of those. We hear a lot of the grievances. And that's part of what we, you know, took this job to listen to them. But it's nice to hear the good stuff because and I really believe the majority of the residents are happy, we can always do better and we're striving to do better. But I think we have a great city, and a great place to live. And I'm happy. So happy. Yes, Commissioner DiDonato. I just want to reach out and thank, city manager for his, communication efforts to, our Bayshore residents on the hookups. And, I plan to maybe ask for a moratorium, but I've talked to the attorney, and I talked to city manager, and I'm happy with knowing that no one's going to be forced at this time to, hook up. We're we're in the process, as I understand it. City manager. If I get out of line here, tell me. But I know that the staff is working on finding grants to help convert from septic to, to sewer. We're working on other plans. We're working on perhaps, getting, contracting with a plumbing company to help give reduced rates to hook up. And these these matters are all going to take time. So we, we want to do our due diligence. And, this process I think, allows us to do that. So thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, you know, the one thing I've learned over the many, many years, you know, my getting to what Commissioner Koulianos was saying, you know, is, is, city manager, you know, you do a good job. Tarpon Springs has a very large, silent majority. They want to pursue happiness. That's it. They can. They'll read their Facebook, and most of them will see something, and they'll just, you know, flip it. And most of the comments you'll get about, you know, maybe somebody having a record abundance on their lemon tree or their papaya tree and you get a lot of, comparisons of mango sizes and things like that. And that's Tarpon Springs and, you know, a city manager, there's always this. You're not going to get away from it, there's those that always, say, what I would call, bad things. But the one thing that you didn't mention that is important. I'm not on Facebook, but my family is. And they read all these comments, and they don't quite understand where they're coming from, because my family knows me, my good friends know me. And they just. They just they get upset. So I know the people that do these things, I don't know what the issue is, but there's some insensitivity to recognizing that. I said that when I ran for mayor and there was that very negative, campaign that was, lodged against me, it happened to Commissioner DiDonato when he ran as Commissioner eight years ago, I believe, or something like that. And as a matter of fact, you gave me the heads up that that was going to happen. This time. So what people don't know and this is what bothers I don't care what people say about me. I you know, I've always been used to that. Growing up in Tarpon Springs, there's all kinds of things. Name calling that occurs. I know city manager, of course, things that, you know, whether, you know, I'm not all this I'm not going to get into what you hear on that. But the but my family doesn't understand that. I understand why people say that they're just that way. But my family always tries to look good, look, consider the good things and people and they just don't understand that. So I'm sorry to, for that to happen. I wish that would go away. But there's always going to be people that, cause that sort of, problem on Facebook. And that's why I would like to see those, social media changes apply to all of our, public officials. The, I want to thank, actually, I guess I should thank God that we had another, near miss, I guess, of a hurricane. And, and, and I will also want to thank, even though it was a near miss, I think our, city departments, our staff, and did an outstanding job. I know the communications were good, and I was very happy with all of that, you know, you could call. It was the first storm that I had called the city manager, and he was very cheery about how it was going, I do know I don't know if we still have a problem with alternate 19. Is that still closed? No. It's open. It's been open. Yeah. That was the only big issue from the city manager's perspective that we had, I know we had a lot of flooding around town and stuff, but as someone told me, unfortunately, Moses doesn't live in Tarpon Springs, so they couldn't hold back. Yeah, I know, I don't want to get into that, but they couldn't hold back the, the Gulf of Mexico. And I don't think any other community around Pinellas County and Pasco and elsewhere had Moses living in their city limits either. So, again, I want to thank everybody that helped out. And I want to congratulate the commission. And I think it was another good meeting. It's we're going to finish up before, our time. And, Commissioner Eisner, you got your light on again. I just also wanted to thank the city staff, I know I got some calls, regarding, water backup. You know, where, you know, people that had lift stations, and there was just an excess of water. Just inundating the reclaim, and they actually came out, and, I have text messages thanking the city for the speed with which they came to empty. You know, with that big vacuum truck. So, it was just it was amazing because, you know, the need was there. It was handled, and I thank you, Mark, because, you know, without you, none of this, this congeals together, you know, it was really good to see the city just come together and not have any major headaches. So that's it. Thank you. Okay. That's it. Everybody okay? Meeting adjourned at 8 p.m. Exactly.