##VIDEO ID:dAqCGqN37Yo## . Can we wait? Irene Can we go ahead? Let me go ahead and get us started. Ready, Mike. Okay I called to order the budget work session of the Board of Commissioners of the City of Tarpon Springs on Thursday, August 8th. 2024 at 6:30 p.m. Roll call, please. Mayor Vatikiotis here, Commissioner coleus here. Eisner here, Mr. Collins is here. He'll be here shortly. Commissioner DiDonato here. Now, for the record, the city manager and commissioner. I'm sorry. Julianus are temporarily detained. We were delayed because of another meeting, at 530. Just ran a couple of minutes over, Mr. Herring, I know you can get started without the city manager. Or should we? Wait, what's the commission want to do? Go ahead and go. Want to wait? I'm good. I'm good to go, I don't care. Wait Yeah. Either way, we'll wait. We'll wait. Scott you have the city manager's phone number, right? Could you just jingle him and. Thank you. Here's Commissioner Koulianos. Commissioner Koulianos, we've already, began the meeting. We're just waiting for the city manager to show up. There he is. Apologize for my tardiness. Ready, Mark? Yeah okay. We're all here. I turn it over to you. Ron, do you want to start out where we left off and where we're starting up and what we're doing tonight? Okay sure, good evening, mayor. Commissioners Ron Herring, finance director. This is the will be the third budget workshop for the fiscal year 2025. Proposed budget, first, just wanted to go over some items that were asked about at the last meeting on July 30th, 2000, 24 was brought up about a Marina depression slab. And that that has been fixed on the fireboat cover. We're going to fund that this fiscal year 2024. And I think Scott's looking in. The fire chief is looking into that now, sidewalk priority list, we I sent that out to the board, I believe yesterday, cra capital value. I the mayor was asking for that at the last meeting. I sent that to him on call pay that's being evaluated, list of CIP funded and unfunded projects, that's going to be in an upcoming discussion, the discussion tonight on this budget workshop, sponge docks, pump station to be discussed at a future special session, fixing the light poles at spring Bayou. We're working with a lighting company for replacements, Christmas decorations. We're upcoming meeting with the vendor on the Christmas lights and the salaries and reorgs are going to be brought before the board on August 20th. And down at the bottom was asked for the debt service schedule. So at the top, you'll see the general government funds. We've got two fire trucks with there. They were five year leases and the payments going out from 2020, 25, 26, 27 and 28, and down below the enterprise funds is the water and sewer fund, the water plant bond issue, which matures 2042 with the annual principal and interest payments. Listed there. And those are the items from the last meeting that were, that were asked about. So I'll leave it there. I don't know if you have any questions on on this slide before we go to the CIP. Anything. No Mike. No, no. Actually, Mr. Herring, how much is this, the roof that's going to go over the boat or the fire department? I heard a number, I think. I'm sorry. What are we allocating for that? I've heard it's between maybe eight and 9000. Okay Yes. The, Commissioner Donato. Anything. Okay, I'd like to get, I really want to pin down, and I don't want to wait. Even if we don't have the answer, as far as the sponge docks pump station to decide what we're going to do with it. I mean, that's that's another one where there's a lot of criticism that because we're not addressing flooding, a lot of these bad things are happening, which I think most people recognize that they're acts of God. Certainly this is going to help. One, as I stated before, one little aspect of flooding down there, it's not going to cover the situation where, the eye, goes over the top of the seawall as we had this past weekend. And it doesn't help when it's low tide because the water is going to run out anyway. The only time it's going to help is when it rains and it's a king tide keeping the, check valve, closed and the rainwater has nowhere to go. Then the pump will activate and pump it over the top of the seawall. So for that little tidbit we're going to and that minor, you know, excursion in terms of things that can happen down there, we're going to be paying over $4 million. And I guess the question is, on this, what we're waiting for is whether we're going to get the additional $3 million. So it would not be coming out of the city's pocket. Is that correct? Yeah Correct. Okay. But even then, I want to make sure that the commission and also the residents, understand exactly what this thing is going to do so that when bad things continue to happen down there, they don't come back and start complaining that the commission spent $4.5 million and did nothing to fix the flooding problem down there. So go ahead, Commissioner Eisne. So there is one more, avenue that you left out. Was so far, I don't believe we've have a check valve that is working 100%. That is because on high tide, when it's not coming over the top, it's leaking through the check valve and coming through the sewers backwards, too. It still comes off, still comes in. So. And would I be correct in that, Bob, that you don't have a check valve? Correct Right now. So on high, on high tides, the water does come into the street, even if it isn't raining. So we know that those are functioning. But there is some issue, I think, with the Hope Street one that we're having to reevaluate, but it does slow it down. So by the time the tide comes back out, usually we don't have that backup in the street like we used to have before. So I will say yes, you're partly correct, but it is also working. So then the two things that it will correct is rain while it's high tide and also high tide without rain. Yeah That's. And then they there is your concept as well that you which is the inline pumps. Yes. So I don't know how the commission feels about it but I really city Manager Lucas what do you want to do. You got the last straw was the other night when I watched the news report, and it was a very short one, but it told people how we were working on this project to stop what happened in this past storm and join our flooded street. We've got a project going that's going to stop that from happening. The news report? No. The news reporter doing the news report, that's my last straw. And after I said that we're bringing this thing forward sooner, they don't even know it yet. I haven't even told them. But seeing that last night was my last straw. Not. I don't want to wait for that money or we need to get it out there. Because I've said from the start of this thing with a whole nother commission and mayor, these people, this is not going to solve these. This is not this is my help a little, but it's not going to solve it. So he's knowing now we're going to try to bring this discussion and I'll probably be a meeting and hopefully, you know, before I have to turn it over, that poor man has taken my place, this issue doing it. I want to try to bring it forward as soon to discuss these, even as we're waiting for them. And I don't want to wait anymore. And I want to bring those discussions in. So I'm going to try to get it. When we get the consultant, we can get people here as as fast as I am, put on. You know, I'd hope for at least the second meeting of September if I can. I may not get there with the with what I got to get, but it'll come as soon, as soon as I can before the new city manager. Well, well, he's going to have to hand out. That's one of my tribe. But at least get it on the agenda, because that was my last straw, seeing everybody. Oh, see the news report, they got something going on that's going to solve all these pictures of all this water in the street. And stuff. I said, okay, I've had enough of this project, so, so, yes, we are going to bring it to the Sooners commission that we can, to have a big discussion of everything involved in the issues and where we need to go, money or no money. So that is going to happen, I guess, yeah, that that's good, I appreciate that. Thank you. Is there anything else on that one, okay, the other question I had was on the CRA capital value. I, you know, I thank you for providing that information. It's probably something that, we could have discussed this evening, but I don't think the committee. I think the commission needs the information. I really want to talk about it. So, city manager, of course, we might want to have just a separate agenda item. I don't know whether we would do it during a CRA meeting or whether we would do it, not a budget meeting, but during during a regular session so we can all come up to speed as far as what the CRA, assets are. And then also there's the depreciation, the amortized amortized depreciation. Is that correct? Okay. I'm not sure if I got the word right. I'm an engineer. I'm not a, an accountant, but anyway, I'd like for, Commissioner Collins to have a chance to look at all of that as well. There's some actually, there's a couple of surprises on there that I don't quite understand. And then I'll talk to you about separately. But. So if we can have an agenda item on that, Oh, oh, you've got the fix the lights at the spring Bayou. That's all. We're in the process of working with the lighting company. Yeah, I am on that. I've been asked about that. A couple of times, so. Okay, that's all I'll have on that section. Yeah. You too, Commissioner. Vice mayor, are we talking about our capital improvement projects? And I just wanted to ask about the Craig Park seawall phase one. I know we were, as a board. We know you. Are you ready to talk about that part or is that a. We're not. We're coming to that right now. Okay? Sure Okay. Go ahead. Okay. So second second item to discuss. Second item. Well I thought it was important to go back and look at this current year. You know, the capital projects we've had ongoing the past year that are ongoing or completed, I thought it was important to list them. We've got about roughly 25 capital projects, starting with a gross at 4.6 million and going down to I won't go through all of them. The annual sidewalks at 225,000. So we've got a little over $29 million worth of, capital projects been going on in the last year. And I told the city manager the other day, I think this is I think twice as many or or more than I've seen in an annual basis. But I'm sure because of Arpa and all that, we've just got a lot of projects going on, and I sort of feel for Bob and stuff, but I know he's busy and trying to manage all these projects, but I just thought it was important to all the projects that are going on this fiscal year, then I was getting into the capital projects that are funded either fiscal year 2025 through fiscal year 2027. They are funded. We got the fire station, 76.2 million library improvements, 1 million. There's 500,000 is a grant discovery Park playground, 650,000. Renovate the old cops and kids building 1.6 million. Orange Street 990,000. River and Bayou dredging 1 million. Sponge docks, pumping station. We've got, almost 4.2 million set aside currently for that. And then Craig Park seawall phase one construction, almost 3.6 million. We've got funded for that. I don't know if you want to stop on that slide, or I can go on to the next slide is unfunded capital. Yes. Let's stop here and see if there's any questions on any of these ones that are funded. Yes. I'd like to ask about the Craig Park seawall. I see we still have the design in process. I know we as a board wanted to see some type of activity started, but but using the Arpa funds we had to complete it within a certain amount of time, which we knew would be difficult. So, where where are we on that? You think? Yeah, so we're about 60% on the design and the permitting, we just submitted or will be submitting this week the cultural resource Assessment survey they asked us to do, and it looks like we're okay with that. We just need to get it approved, bottom line is, I think we're going to get this thing out to bid by the end of this calendar year. So we should be in construction by the spring of next year. Oh wow. Okay. That's great. And as far with this, tropical storm that came through, I just curiosity, how did the South Spring Boulevard intersection work out? Being newly constructed? I think it worked out pretty good. I didn't hear reports about the intersection flooding and the areas that would normally flood, or the areas that we didn't improve on that weren't part of that project. But but we do have questions about what did flood. So the issue I don't want anybody to think, oh, we're happy because the intersection didn't flood and where it did, good. There are also and there's other causes because everybody got to remember how unique this storm is. And everywhere it's unique. But we need to make sure that the areas that did flooded because the first thing everybody is going to say is you raise that up and flooded everything else. So we either got to dispel that, we've got to go in and see if there's the next step that we have to do, and we have to analyze that. So, so while it did, there are still questions that arise now right there along spring on the water and stuff going on. Unless you have seawall blocked, that's going to do anything. That's nothing to do with the intersection. But the area right in front of pineapple and the front part, the pictures of and stuff. We got to really look at that and see is it just the abnormal, abnormal storm, the fact that the retention, the water by the ball fields filled up completely and came back this way? We need to look at that stuff and see we are happy the roadway did what it's going to do. But we still got to ensure that that that didn't do anything else. So I don't want anybody to think we're happy and we're leaving that issue. We are still in depth studying. And the one good thing about the storm, if you want to go to the good side, is we've got a bunch there. And we were out there taking pictures of all of our problem areas throughout the time. I know Tom and people are out there with any area that we've had issues with citizens or anything within the last three years. We are out there. Cameron acknowledging, because this was this was a big one to show where it goes. Now, there may not be anything in those areas that a storm such as this would, you know, nothing feasible to do. But we're looking at each one, not just that one. At Spring, but looking at all of our trouble areas and some new ones that cropped up the altar. 19 situation not new because we know it's flooded before, but with some of the work we did, it was it was a process and for that one, we immediately had three pumps out there. People I saw on Facebook, they're not bringing pumps, they're not doing anything. We immediately had three pumps out there trying to pump, but there wasn't many places to pump that water to because everybody was water and stuff. But we are using this our storm water division and our project administration are using this, to continue to address all of our areas and stuff. And we're still going to work on the MLK and the spring one, to make sure we're not displacing any of the water. Thank you, anything else? As far as Orange Street, how are we looking about potentially, design completion and potentially starting it? So the preliminary design work that we did, a whole bunch of alternatives analysis and feasibility and cost for different alternatives, we presented that to the board. I think it was more than a year ago. It's ready to come back anytime. I know it's kind of been said on the back burner because of funding and trying to allocate that, but what we would need is approval from the board on which alternative to select to move into design phase. And let's move to Ron to talk about the funding that you talked about, because that's really the issue of Ron Orange Street. Yeah yeah, apparently we got it funded in the in the penny fund, when. Well, we've got it in, 2000, 26, 26, another option to also funded out of the CRA if that's chosen to fund portion of it, the CRA portion out of the out of the CRA, which there is money available there now. And that would just be something to consider. I know that's, you know, been a project from even the boards before us. And I just think it's important because it is downtown, it's all connected together. And there is a lot of activity that's going through there these next four years. So maybe if, you know, during all the events that happened, but maybe if this board can come to a point where we can see it as an agenda item just to have it scheduled and for future boards, I think that would be a great step. Well, in the near future, we'll bring where we are and where we got and reminder we'll bring that to an upcoming board meeting. All right. Thank you. I have no further questions at this time. Commissioner Eisner, you're still allowed at mayor. You're done. Commissioner. Mayor So I did want to, speak on a report as far as the MLK area was the only the bridge was the only place that did not have water. There was water on both sides, from the other side of the bridge, on the MLK all the way around. Pretty much until, Gulf was completely underwater. I mean, you could get as far as the church, and that was it. And you still ran through water. Going the other way. Spring Street was flooded. MLK itself had a little bit on it. You couldn't get around the bayou. You couldn't get around the Whitcomb Bayou. You couldn't get through Spring Street. Canal Street. You couldn't get through mirrors, and you couldn't get through all 19. So it was pretty much the only way out was Klosterman, from off of Florida, that was the only way out at high tide. So, you know, it's as far as it was a good lesson to see where the top of the tide was. There wasn't very much we would be able to do. It was just too much water. Once we had the backside of the storm. So here's my questions, you have here, the sponge docks, pump station. I'm trying to think of whether, you know, of course, I've asked you this, so it's a hard question to ask you again to have the inline pumps that I've spoken about is so important because that's something that is the, return on assets, as I'd like to say, for the cost of it. It's worthwhile for those high tides and the rain, high tides, this kind of storm, the pump would just be running and nothing would be accomplished. It just can't push water back on the top of water. It just wouldn't work. No matter what we do. Right. All right. So I would like to look into that, because I know it's not going to be 4 million. It would be in the possible, tens of thousands or $100,000, to install. And that, I think, would be a much more, value the Elfers spur trail I've seen, I've been by it already, is there going to be any light there? Because, or something that that would control traffic because there's no way you're going to get across that with a bicycle without getting hit. I assume you're talking about the crossing at all. 19. Yes Yeah. There's going to be a signalized crossing there. Pedestrian signal. Okay. Just flat, not just rapid flashing beacons, but actual signal. Okay. Because otherwise there's. That's just a death trap. Agreed. Yeah Agreed, so that that's a concern of mine, did we have anything that we were going to do with the 300,000 extra that we got off the Bayshore septic to sewer, extra, we allocated that to other projects within the Arpa money. Yes That's okay. The Craig Park seawall. So I know that's so still so far out. And, you know, it's really an eyesor. You can't walk around it and whatnot. Do we have any plans for the other side from Tarpon around to Canal, we're going to get to that in the in the next step, which are the unfunded projects. I asked that only because that's underwater almost on every high tide. Right And, you know, there's no I know you have to do something, but doing one side and not doing the other, I just can hear the residents saying what they're going to say. Sure And it's definitely a phase two that's unfunded. As a city manager said, we're including it in the permitting phase now. So it's the whole it's being wrapped into that. So moving into a phase two, if funding were to come available would be a lot easier because it's going to be pretty much similar price to what the first part is. Agreed. Yeah. Well, we need to remember there are how many agreements that are going to be done with property owners because where we have the rights to do phase one, we don't have the rights to do phase two. So phase two is going to be getting the number of property owners anywhere to do anything, the agreements we're going to need, we just have to remember, thank goodness, is in the long future that's going to that's going to be a time consuming, delicate process that could be of some stress and strain to it. We just just we have to remember that because we're dealing with they own the property, not where we're doing in phase one, where we own the property. So that's the big that's the big thing with phase two, I hear you loud and clear, that's pretty much all I have right now. Yeah. And, the, docks, the private docks are going to have to be dealt with. Yes. Yep. We'd have to, let me, go to commissioner. I, liliana'. Do you have anything? We haven't gotten into the unfunded stuff where these are funded. These are showing the funded projects. Okay, Commissioner, I have a couple of questions on the North Pinellas beautification. I don't see any money for that. We don't. I thought we had money for it. We don't see anything. I don't see anything. The North Pinellas corridor, we had about 500,000. We were still earmarking that at a previous year of the CRA fund. Yes. 2020. What When did we start that? In 2020. We've been flipping it over every budget. When did we start 2122. So we've got 500,000 encumbered for that. It's not encumbered, but we've just been reserving it off. It's there. If we get to that, then we'll encumber it, right? Okay Correct. Good. We're talking about the North Pinellas. Where are we with the state in this slow, I keep telling I remember 3 or 4 months ago I told the board we were close, and that's about the fifth time in three years I've told the board we're close, we got most of our approvals actually out. We're going out to bid to get costs right now. Okay. So we'll be coming before the commission with that thing. Very soon next couple of months. Okay? Okay Finally, finally. That's a bucket list item of mine, the, wetland. At the golf course did there's we don't remember. You were talking to, I forgot what his name was. The gentleman that owns it. You know what I'm talking about? Yes. Have you made any progress on that or. Yes, in fact, I. We'll talk about that, it's not in the backup, but we'll talk about that when we get to the possible funding. Things that are coming up later today. Tonight or tonight. Yes. All right. Yes, I've got the latest on it. We did have a deadline, to do that. That passed. But but he did tell me he would extend that deadline as we talked through the budget process. So I'm going to add that in tonight when we talk about those things, we may want to look at down the road for financing, funding and stuff to have that consideration under there. So maybe a funding issue, a bond issue or whatever it is if the or if we're when we talk about the process we're going to do there, it may be something we need to consider where we're we're talking about somewhere around 800 to 900,000 right now in the agreement stuff, so but but I know some of you knew that we had a deadline because he was going to move on and do something else. But he recognized our issue. He recognized we were going for the vote on the stammers property. So he did extend the deadline for Mr. Mills. Mr. Mills was gracious enough to extend the deadline for us. So we can keep it in play. As you all evaluate, we're talking about all that big pieces of land on the south side of the golf course, for preservation and, otherwise you're going to sell it off and people are going to try to take the little pieces of upland in there and you're going to throw you're going to throw things in there. If he sells it out, hopefully we can help us with, drainage on the. Yes. That's another thing from, from from looking at what we look at is, is, is if there's anything that can help with there. The other thing I don't want to call it building maintenance, but we the clerk's office is coming along. I know that we paid for the building, but that and I think I got an answer that that the amount included the, phase two, parking lot stuff. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Bob, you want to. Yes. Yes it is. So is there anything else, that needs to be done, furniture. All that's rolled into it. We're working on that now. Yes. The furniture is all the all that was all that's in the. Okay. And they're getting ready arena. Everything's as far as. So far within cost to, as far as I know. Yes. And if it hasn't been, we've tried to make it. We've you know, the one thing I if I always like to support the clerk's office, I don't want y'all winding up with, Xerox boxes as as chairs or desks or anything like that because you're trying to keep things within budget. I think that we need to make an expenditure on things that are going to last rather than trying to fit our furnishings within the budget we have, which we should. But if it just is that far off, I think we need to need to know about it. And I, in fairness to Miss Jacobs, I also think she needs a little help with that because she's got her hands full with everything else too. Oh yeah, that's an understanding from the start. We're not going. You know, we're going first class on everything else. We're not going to go second class on the pieces. And if we need and she gets to the point from the start, if we need something, to not go first class, we're a little bit of second, third, fourth class. And then we'll have the money available and we'll put something else back to do that. So or just as a, are they I know that there were certain, thoughts that they were going to be done in a particular time. We're still looking at that. Or is that changed? Still telling me the end of October, early November for completion, obviously we're going to wait till after an election before they shut down and move their offices. So you know, grain of salt. I think it's probably going to be a little longer than that. The other question I have is, and I know I've been told that we're okay in terms of the log of physics and the way that water runs downhill. But when that building starts getting finished on the interior, I don't think we can live without asphalt. Between the old police station. Classrooms and that other place being elevated like that, hoping that these blocks with this sandbagging or whatever they're using is going to keep the water out of the clerk's office. I, I would suspect that they may have some issues during this storm as wel. So, that's all I'm, I, I go by there every day as I come, you go by and look at that thing. It's scary. It is. Yeah. Yeah All of that is going to be graded down and the asphalt is coming out sooner than later. That's all. I mean, yeah I understand what you're saying. You know, it's almost like Einstein's, definition of insanity. You know, the same things are being done over and over and hoping for a different consequence. So Okay, that's all I got on that. Anybody else? I'm sorry, Commissioner Eisner, I'm sorry you had, Tom, if you don't mind, I was thrilled to see that all of the around the trees we filled with that, like, rubber compound. Yes. Like to pave. Yes. Right But is there any upkeep to that? Because in some of them are cracking. They're coming up. You know, some of them have already been a little bit destroyed. Some of the older ones that we've had down there for 7 or 8 years. It's not a perfect material, but it is porous. We know there are some that we will be replacing. We do have a replacement schedule to do schedule to. Yes Okay. Those ones that are cracked, the older ones we've. Yeah they've been there for quite a while. So I just I just didn't know if there was new ones, old ones. And you know. No there are no. Yeah. The original ones we put in were seven years ago, almost eight years ago now. Gotcha. I think we're on the last one, guys. Got one more phase. The phase those out and start over again with our replacement plans. So do you take them out and redo or is it possible to repair, no. We'll take all that plexi, pave out and put a new flexi pavement. Yeah. You can't just single repair it. No, sir. That's it. Thank you. Yeah. Commissioner Okay. All right. The unfunded, I believe, is next, we're going on to the unfunded, capital projects, and this screen is a summarizing the unfunded capital projects, splitting it between the general government funds and the enterprise funds, we've got the land for the purchase of the dredge site. 5.2 5,250,000 if voter approved. And off to the off to the right. I've worked with Bob on some of the dates for when the financing is needed, when the construction will start on these projects, and when the projects complete. And obviously the land, the dredge site. The money is due by the end of December if it's approved, we've got the cops and kids new building. The estimate is $4 million funding needed by February 2025. Construction start spring 2025 and the project completed in spring of 2026. And we got Craig Park Seawall phase two construction estimated of $3 million. I think a lot of the stuff may be up in the air with some unknowns. With this project, so I'm not sure, you know, if we were just estimating funding by January of 26, construction start spring of 26 and this project complete spring of 27. But I know this is all up in the air. And so that's why I was a little hesitant of even mentioning it and stuff with, and then down below the General Government, it shows the total, the total with the land purchase approved is 12,250,000. If the land purchase is not approved as without it, it's $7 million, getting into the enterprise funds, the water and sewer. We have a couple scenarios here also with Becket Bridge utilities. If the county grant is not approved, we'll need $4 million roughly, for that, the county will need the money that I've heard maybe December of 24. January of 25. Construction starts. Summer of 2025, Becket Bridge. If the grant is approved, we would need one $1 million. Really Roughly the 20% match. It's a 20% match is around 800,000. I just rounded it up to a million, again, was, funding needed by December of 24? Construction starts summer 25 and Lyman Hewitt lift station. We have 1 million funded, but we need 1 million more, the funding would be needed by December of 24. Construction starts spring of 25, with it being completed in the fall of 25. And then the two scenarios. Below is Becket Bridge, with Grant not approved $5 million, and with the Becket Bridge grant approved, we're looking for $2 million. And at the bottom we've got the golf course, new clubhouse. We've the estimate is maybe between 3 and 4 million, with the project funding needed by January of 26. Construction starts spring of 26, with it completed in spring of 27. So I'll stop there and see if you have any questions on that screen. Okay, you got anything? No. These are all solid projects. I mean, you want to, you know, no comments. Do you have anything? No comments at this time. We'll go on to the next slide. Yeah okay, then for the financing of the projects, this is just the general government ones. We got the two scenarios. If the dredge site is approved by the voters and lumping that in with the cops and kids billing for $4 million, we're looking for $9 million. We could possibly going out for financing, scenario two, if the land purchase is not approved by the voters, we're looking at $4 million for the cops and kids building. And then we just mentioned fiscal year 26. If there's any other projects that come up there. No questions there. I'll go to the next slid. Again, this is the place where I talked about the other project that's not on here, again, we talked about is the Mills property and we still have to work with appraisals and stuff. We still it's a hard property and pieces to appraise and stuff. But, you know, somewhere between 700 and 900 is probably where we're going to get at. But we've still got some work to do, he's opened up that project, the county's already approved on alternate 19, where the old nursery was already going. I forget how many apartments home, whatever, whatever they are, they're going to go on that upland there. But all the rest of the property, is going to be open. There's planning right now is looking at what each parcel. There's about six of them in there. What could actually be done to bring you, for instance, in parcel one, they could people could develop it and do this. They could develop this here. So we kind of look at what could happen to that greenery and that and, and that property. Again, that not only we could buy to keep green, but to see if any drainage or anything future. There's a lot of things we're looking at still. So while there's a lot of things we still have to look at because Mister Mills extended that date, that 900 is kind of where that where the other projects may be, 700 to 900. We need to consider. And when we get to the point where we're actually going to look at financing, I think we should have all those answers for you. But I think that could be a very important piece of property if just for preservation. But for the other things we can do to make sure we don't lose all that greenery that goes between other areas of town. So I just want you to be aware of it now. We've got a lot of work we're doing on it, and stuff, and that's going to be another project under consideration. We might want to consider if we're going out and, for funding and stuff. So, you know, can you talk about Course Park and how that fits in on all of this as well? Yes. Cora's park is it is in court. Right now we've already been to court mediation that there's four hours of my life I'll never get back. That didn't get us anywhere, didn't get us beyond $1.8 million, there's a lot of issues with it. There still have to be dealing with now. Now, the issue is, on some sidewalk. There's just a lot of issues now they're attacking the city on, for a settlement. So it's nasty. It's ongoing. It may go on for a while, and we've always got into consideration if there's an ability to buy it and settle this thing, but it certainly is. No, we're looking good now that we're going to be able to do that in this, in this action, but we've got a long, long bout of court to go on that and stuff. So, As I understood from Mr. Salzman, since this is a court action, whatever the cost is, it's not going to go to voter referendum. The judge is going to order the city to purchase it. And that's, we think, a natural outcome of this. My only suggestion would be to perhaps include maybe ask Mr. Salzman yourselves some kind of a funding wedge in what you've already got here. Just I want to popular word these days are placeholders, but you know what I'm talking about. It's just put a funding wedge in there just to make sure that we don't fall our fall short. If somehow something happens and we've got to come up with a million dollars or something like that, hopefully when we get close to actually seeing if we're going to finance, we'll have a better idea. It may be a case where we just have to pay it off and we're not able to buy it, because our choice is to pay them blank amount of money or buy it for a two high fee that we wouldn't even consider buyin. So, but yeah, we'll have to have some kind of wedge of financing in this financing thing to include that in if it goes, and again, it is a Florida League case defending us. Right now and fortunately or unfortunately, they make the final decisions on it, because it's their money right now. But Mr. Salzman, from the start of it and he was at the mediation fighting our side alongside the Florida League, but there is a chance there could be some disagreement between us and the Florida League. But again, everybody has to remember when we're talking. This is a Florida League case. Their money, besides the small amount that we have to pay. So but they could cut us loose if they find that yes there's it's not within their purview. Or they could force us to settle i, not buy it, just settle it and get out of it and then fend for ourselves. That's that's the thing about doing it. It could be we're settling this case, not with us buying the property to get this away and get our purview. And then you're on your own with trying to buy the property so that could be an alternative. But there's many because it's the court case is so early. It seems like a long time to us. I don't want to in the realms of court thing. We're we're way early in this thing. I mean, we can kind of get into some hypotheticals, but I'd rather not do that. Right? No, because it could go, go, go a bunch of different ways. So but we need to consider it if that opportunity does come up to settle, get the land for a good price and stuff we have, we'll have to have a funding source to do that with. So Ron will have that on the back burner. Okay anybody at this end? Yes All right. You go ahead. So since since we didn't want to get into hypothetical, I want to go into hypothetical to just ask one question of, the city manager, what happens in the event, you know, of course, you transfer on in January, this whole thing gets pushed over to the next city manager. I know you're not looking to stay on and handle this case, correct? No, but I'm still. I'll still be on the witness list, so. Okay, I'll be on the $17 court fee to come to the court that the court pays. It won't be on your dime to pay you to. I'll get gas money to come to court. Thank you. All right, Commissioner DiDonato, anything? Okay Okay. Next. Well the next slide. This is the one where we have general government funds, scenario one and two. But now we're going to go into scenario one and two for the general government funds. And the financing numbers. As you remember, the land purchase plus cops and kids building 9 million at the current bank loan rate of 4.25% for ten years. Total debt service is a little over $11 million, with annual debt service of 1.1 million and the annual debt service to revenue is 3.24. And I'll just if you remember from a meeting we had a little bit ago where Commissioner and I, we worked on the on the debt service ratios, and the 3.24% is where we wanted to be. We compared it to other cities. The average was a 4.51%. So we thought it was good to try to keep that under the 4.44%. Excuse me, scenario two with the cops and kids building a $4 million, I brought the interest rate down to 4%. Because if we can do it a little bit later, you know, the talk right now is interest rates are going to be cut. So I'm hoping that, you know, they're talking about a cut in September. Might be they're talking about almost four more cuts in the interest rates. And then before by December of 24. So that means you know we could get be able to finance at lower interest rates. So that's why I put that one at 4% for ten years, total debt service of 4.8 million with annual debt service of 485,000. And that would put us at 1.89%. I don't know if you remember from when we were talking about the our ratio, we're one of the lowest ones in the county in the area at 0.89%, compared to Dunedin, which is topping the list at 12.21% of debt service to revenue. So if you have any questions on that, anything I've got, go ahead. Commissioner Koulianos, let me get a little background. What what is the, Oh, sorry. I'm sorry, what's the existing? I see where you have annual debt on. Scenario one, 1.1 million, but then when you come up with your 3.24, that's all debt. So how much is the existing debt? The existing debt is a 375,000. The number we had on slide one 375. And then, and that that's, that's just one, bond. Right. What is that, the 375,000. Yeah, that is the two fire truck capital leases we did for five years. Oh, leases. Okay. And then so what, when do they expire? Well, we've got the, one fire truck. The last payment is in 2028 and 1 in 2026. So And what what is the revenue number that we're using for this, 45,700,000. Okay So, How have we decided? And I'm not I'm not making any commentary on this. I'm just asking the question, when we go back to our non funded capital projects, we have cops and kids at 4 million down at the bottom, we have the golf course. Now that golf course funding would not be if we were to make that a priority. It still wouldn't come out of the general fund right. Correct The governmental funds come out of the down there. Okay Okay. So, And what is the because I see you got under you have scenario one land purchase cops and kids and then scenario two, you have cops and kids. So what is the breakdown of the land purchase alone, on line one, I apologize to put you on the spot for the, the debt service. Yeah because you got the debt service is 1.1 million, which is for the land purchase and the cops and kids. But if we're kicking the cops and kids down under. Scenario two, where we're waiting to do the cops and kids later, we would only be doing the land purchase. So how much is just the land purchase if you just want to do the land purchase? That was about the 670,006 70. Okay Because under your scenario two, you're talking about waiting on cops and kids for interest rates to come down. Yeah, I just thought we didn't we it wouldn't be necessary to do it in November to go out to bid. I just thought, let's just see how the interest rates are going this fall. Let's see if they decrease them in September. And November and see if they start going out. If we hold off a couple months, maybe they go down another 25 basis points on $4 million. If you go from 4.25% to four, 4%, that's a savings of interest of $57,000. So if we just did the land purchase and the, and the existing debt, we have 670 plus 375. And then if we divide that 670 plus 375, sorry. 375 okay. And then divide that by, 45,000,700, we're at that would be so we, we would start out with a annual debt service to revenue ratio of 2.28. That sounds correct. Yes. Okay. And then we would be adding the 1.89 later. Correct. Okay So, but the 1.89 includes the fire trucks also. Oh I gotcha okay. So then then that's going to but that'll we would end up, we'd end up below the 3.24 because we would have a quarter of a quarter percent less interest. Correct. So it would be a little less than the 3.2. Yes All right. Okay. That's all I have for that slide. Thank you. Well, can you kind of tell us what the point is of what you just. I just want clarification on numbers. So we would we would start out on scenario one, if, if we go if we did scenario two, we would start out at a 2.28% debt to revenue ratio, which is still below, I don't know if you still have that slide. We did. You could show everybody where we are just to refresh everybody. So we ranked we're we're good. We'll have that. We're good okay. Right. We're yeah. That we're still low. We're much lower than other other cities okay. And then we would then later add the cops and kids which we don't, you know, as things go that could end up being in the, in the spring or something. Are you talking about trying to instead of combining them both, try to still separate them out? Well, I mean, all everything's up in the air because we don't know. We don't know if we're going to buy that, have to buy the same problem. Right Then basically all bets are off. Because if we don't if we don't buy the same as property, then we just do the cops and kids. We're at 1.8%, 1.89% debt to service ratio, very low, very doable in this in the city. I mean, we could end up doing both and still stay below a fair debt to revenue ratio. I'm just establishing that and just to keep in mind, you know, if you're doing each each bank note, we do, you're looking at about $50,000 worth of fees between the attorneys and the banks for each separate bank. Note So just trying to keep that in mind. But so under scenario two you're talking about okay. So the rate might be less, but we're going to pay more in fees for each bank. Note we do. You're going to have the fees. That's why I thought with scenario one if we need to we do it both at the same time and just have that one $50,000 fee. So then what? What do you you anticipate the fees being how much. 50 for each bank note 50,000 bucks for with. It's with the city attorney. The bond attorney, the financial advisor and the whatever bank and their fees. Okay. So if we do scenario two, which is postpone the cops and kids till later to rates come down, we're going to pay 100,000. Is that what you're saying? Well, you'll have the savings on the interest if you're going down 25 basis points or more. So they might offset pay more fees because it's a it's a separate debt. You save 57,000 on the interest, but you might if you're doing another separate issue, you're going to be paying $50,000 more just so they don't really get we don't get. So why would we go to scenario two then? We might not. Well, scenario two is just if the if the land does not get approved. Right. That's why I thought, well, I understand tha, but but if we have to. So you're not saying what. But. Yeah. But on scenario two you're saying you're okay, I get you, you're saying we're if we're going to do both, we're going to do them both at the same time. Correct. If we're only going to do one, we can wait. That's where the confusion came from in your scenario. Yeah. I'm just it's CPA financial talk. You know. So we're still good. So we don't we're not going to we we're not going to buy the property and do cops and kids at two separate times. Correct. Because it would be too expensive. Correct. I think the costs would offset between the reduction in interest rate. But then you have the two separate notes, each costing 50,000 bucks each. And under the financing rules, how long can we hold that money till we spend it? Well, you got to be careful with arbitrage, but you usually have the maximum would be three years. But three years. Okay. Yeah We could get the cops and kids all done in three years. So yeah, all that stuff. All right. That was just because we're still okay. It's still good, right? Yeah. We're good. Okay. It's still good. Let me let me. You're not a commissioner. You're not. Okay, let me ask on the cops and kids and just kind of go over it. One more time. I know we picked, site plan one, right? Bob. Correct. And, the estimate for the 4000 was, I'm sorry, 4000 for me, 4 million was, it was more than just a building. Is that correct? Building Relocating the tennis courts, the relocating the, the tennis courts. I you know, I I'm not going to be here, when all that takes place and but but I want to say this, you know, we've shown a site plan of what it's going to be compared to what it is right now. And, we've made certain representations and the site plan is beautiful. And I just hope that that 4 million is really going to be enough by the time we get to the point of doing this. That's a problem that's going to leave the finished, that's going to finish the project as we presented it and got it approved. And we've got a very nice facility right now and, everything is good and I just hope that we don't leave any loose ends that will say, well, we'll get to that in the future because people are going to literally question, you know, why didn't you plan for this? So I just want to make sure that if there's any question concerning what I just said, that we take another look at that $4 million and, and 4 million, right. Yeah And making sure that that's enough with, the new cops and kids. What we need for it, it both interior or exterior, re relocating the tennis courts with the lights, that that huge walkway that we've got planned for that. And which would also double as a truck, or. I don't want to call it a truck, but a route for vehicles. To travel. Right, and the landscaping that goes along with that, I feel a million dollars compared to what we're doing with the, the clerk's office, which is, what, 6 million? Or am I wrong about that? 2.9? How much is it? 2.91 something. 2.9. 2.9 yeah, it's still going to be fairly small compared to what we're doing over there. And, you're just worried about the we need to do an analysis with the prices when we get closer, because I don't I think you may there needs to be a little more. I will say that that 4 million includes all the things you're talking about, the lighting. But it also has an escalation in it, assuming that we're going to be going to construction right around the time we think it is. So I'm happy to look at those numbers again, and I appreciate what you're saying. Mayor It's going to be real important because, I think, Mr. Herring, Ron, and, you know, Commissioner Koulianos with his calculator are going to start looking as far as the debt funding and stuff like that. And I just want to make sure that we we've included enough money to do this project the way we've represented people, that's all. Always finance more, Ron. Okay. That's all. No problem. Bob. Okay the housing authority's not putting one nickel in on this, right? No. Okay. That's, that's all. Anybody else on this item? On on. Okay. Next Now we're going into the enterprise fund, the water and sewer again with two scenarios, but I think it'll be if we're not doing it at two separate times here, like the previous scenario. But the scenario one is if the county grant is approved, we need the 1 million plus the 1 million for, Lime and Huey for a total of $2 million. Scenario two is if the grant is not approved, we need the 4 million plus the 1 million for 5 million. And then down below we have the two scenarios, the $2 million at 4.25%. Ten years total debt service to 2.4 million. Annual debt service 245,000. Scenario two Beckett Bridge 4 million and Lime Huey 1,000,005 million of financing at the 4.25% for ten years. Total debt service. 6.1 million and annual debt service 614,000. It's a lot of water under the bridge. Yeah. Water and sewer lines under the bridge. What was the price? Originally, when they started the bridge, it was close to a million, wasn't it? Close to $1 million when this project started? Five years ago? I think 800,000. 800,000. Just under a million. It was. That's expanded to 4 million. All right, well, let's, any questions on that? No, I just appreciate that we have the Huey lift station, projected for 2025. I understand it's a big, big area over there. We want to just take care of it before anything happens. So appreciate it. And bringing it up. Thank you. Commissioner. Got anything? Yeah Ron, let me ask you, on the, explain the net revenue to debt service ratio on in the water and sewer fund it. Scenario one you're financing 2 million, right? Correct And then you say it's 3.11%, right. And what is the factor? There was I'm calculating like 23 million. What is the. Well with the enterprise funds there's a different measure like before we were taking off the general government funds the total revenue by the annual debt service with the enterprise funds. We do it by net revenues. It's the it's the gross revenues minus gross expenses. What's the net revenues and the coverage ratio. And so with the 2 million, we have a coverage ratio of 3.11, which is strong, and with the other ratio, the 2.67. So it's the amount of debt served as a percentage of the net revenues, operating income, net income y when you're borrowing more is the debt ratio smaller because you have you're possibly going to have as far as the equation, you've got the net revenues, but then it's going to be a higher amount of the debt service cost for the higher amount, because you what you count. What are you counting the grant money as part of the revenue, no, that's not that's not count. It's the net income. Operating. Operating revenue minus operating expenses to come up with your net revenue. So what we didn't do, I think, in our original, when we sat down and did those calculations of all the you know, the municipalities, that was just a general government general fund. Yeah. Okay So have we haven't done a corresponding, analysis of this fund because if we're if we're getting into the 3% number on the general fund, and now we're going into 3% now into the water and sewer fund, it's not it's your, it's being, it's, it's, it's on top of it's a different measurement. You know, methodology for the, for the enterprise funds as far as the bond covenants like our current bond covenants. So the, the higher number means you're stronger versus what we were looking at before. We wanted to be a lower number with the general government. So I thought I'd just keep it similar to what our current, water plan bond and how the bond covenants are the requirements for those, which is the minimum is 1.2%. So if in this water and sewer fund, if we had to fund the entire Beckett Bridge, the 5 million. Where's that, where's that, where is that debt service coming from. Is that. And now does that complicate anything that, that Mr. Kiger was calculating when he was saying, we're going to keep rate, hopefully keep the rate increase at 3.75 if we have this in addition to that, is that going to bring we had that folded into the last rate study when we were working on a debt for this project. So you count in in that 3.75 that you thought we could maintain, right. You've already incorporated $614,000 into that. Correct? Okay I just want to confirm that. Want to confirm it? One surprises. We're good, we're good. That was it. We're good. Okay All right. Next one. Last one. The golf course, just the one I. You know, the golf course, Mount finance. We think between 3 and 4 million. We've got the amount financed, 4 million. Yeah, I just I plugged in 3.25%. So hopefully the rates will have gone down. Maybe they'll be more. They'll be less than that over ten years, about 4.7 million of debt service with annual debt service of 469,000 with the net revenue debt service of 1.77. Okay. Ask a couple of questions. We talk about the clubhouse. And, I know there have been talks about a smaller kitchen or whatnot, but I would I really want to try. We're only going to get one shot at this for a very long time. Yeah. That's not the Mark version. The Quonset hut and that stuff. That's the mark for this is the this is the mark. This is the other version. So the mark version is better I think. Or no, it's cheaper. But this this is the first I just want to clear this is this is the one that's not the mark version of saving, saving a lot of money and stuff. This is the bigger kitchen. The bigger everything. The what you described last time at the meeting. Because that's kind of the consensus of the other other people we talked to on the board and, and looking at an input from the golf course and stuff. So. Okay. Good. So Mr. Howard got, involved to getting his input. I just want I just want this to that we get all the bells and whistles that we can. We're going to have one shot at making this a community area and place for people to gather and stay after their golfing or the other organizations that may rent from there. And any other type of renting that can happen. There's a lot of potential there. Miss Diana and staff did get the approval for the beer and wine for the special for the plays and stuff they have here. I would strongly recommend that we try to push for a liquor license in the future. I, you know, I just I see what can come out of it and that we keep pushing the great things at the golf course is doing and the revenue that that's coming out of it, that's taken a long time. So it is important that we do look at those mills properties close by for any run off or, you know, just to just to help it over there and, just happy to see this come forward and for the community as well. So thank you. I just wish I could find some more parking for the golf course though. I know, just wis. Yeah. Do a popular clubhouse. Yeah And you have the season when you can't find a place for just golfing, but no. And that's a good point, because when it's full and, you know, you got you got, a new force starting every 15 minutes that I see people even lined up on all 19. So it is an issue, but this is for the community or maybe off site in some kind of shuttle. I mean, we wait till we get the clubhouse, but we may have to consider definitely isn't much on site if I we've looked at every configuration to get more on site, but there is possibility we may have to seek in the future with this, especially if it gets popular and on site and maybe a little longer. Golf cart shuttle that we shuttle people back and forth and, that's in the future to if this thing gets as popular as we think it's going to be. That's what we have to consider. But you can see again, popular, you can see it becoming a focal point in the community. And so that's that's one to really want to drive that home for, the board to, to be receptive to it all. So thank you for bringing it up. And pushing it forward to get us where we're at right now. Thank you. Mr. Collins, you got anything? Okay, so the annual debt service, the 469,000 there, there's not profit at the golf course to cover 469,000. Correct Well, that's why we're at the 1.77% there. So, yes, there is. Okay. So you you there's enough golf course revenue to cover the 469,000. We make that much profit now. Yes. For the last three years. I know some years you might have some bad weather and stuff, but yes, we have, but initially. Okay, we start construction. We're going to have to cover funding of the debt. Right? We're going to have to pay the debt service right away. Well, of course is going to be compromised. Correct. So where does that money come? Well, we've got the money in reserves. It's built up to some reserves of about 1.2 million right now. Okay. And so that would cover more than two years worth of debt service. So and it's not going to take more than two years to build this. I think they've said maybe one year. Okay. I just want to make sure that we're we're good good good. Thank you, yeah. On the, on the, golf course, I, I don't recall, but, since we've got an estimate, do we have any renderings or anything that. Nothing yet? No. This is the first step of establishing that this is a priority in this budget to establish the funding for, and to begin the processes once Commission's going forward with this, then I know that, if I remember right, Vice Mayor wanted old Florida. Is that something old South or southern type? No, not so much that somebody was talking about that. But go ahead. I know our renderings will look a lot different at a $2.5 million clubhouse, as opposed to a four point million. And it looks like the, you know, the extra time and care and quality to, help make it that focal point and a solid place in the future will go a long way. Yeah. And it's returned. So I think by, having that budget set up, it will address some of the concerns that I had and just going all out in a way. Are there any ideas or anything that we've got as far as the type of building. And we'd probably bring that now that when it gets through this budget and the budget, we'd have something to be helpful. We would bring those forward. That would be the next step of bringing those again. You know, it's the idea of not surprising anybody. That's okay. No, this is this is just the established this is a funding part and it's put in the budget to do. And then we start the process of the public, the commission, you know, getting together and designing. So we go to design what what you want and the public wants. I know this is always, somewhat of a sensitive issue, but it worked real, real well with the library. Has there been any talk about, including some of our more active golfers in some kind of a committee to help with the design, Miss Archer for example. I know she's the one who had communicated some of the repairs that needed to be done, and I'm sure she's got her friends that she golfs with and it to me, I, I just somewhere along the line, I'd like to have the you know I obviously it's the commission's decision, but I think it may be worth if it's not to. That's how we plan to do all projects like that, you know, with good to have groups and stuff. And then one of the groups that we would get the ideas and suggestions from would be the group of actual golf, a golfing group. And, you know, the idea is not they don't even have to have a meeting. They could just have something set up there, just like we do for connect Tarpon and the and the or, you know, right there in the little meetings with with bringing people involved and having those workshops and stuff. Okay, that yeah, that that's the way to go. We have in the future for all projects like that to make sure we have that input and that input from the start of the process, not after we got through, got it designed. And at the end of the process. Okay good. Nothing on this side. Right. Okay Go ahead. You got your light on. In my Forrest Gump of a life, I. I was the outside controller for Ledbetter Enterprises. David Ledbetter, for seven years. And they developed courses. You get golf, architects, they, they specialize in golf course, in golf clubhouses and you get you when you get the architects, you get specialized architects that understand golf. They could come over, get a sense of our community, what we look like, and then and then give us renderings that would be conducive to that. I mean, they've done you know, there's guys in Orlando that have done the golf courses at celebration and Disney World and all over, and that's what they do. So I don't think before you got like a committee of lay people to kind of throw a bunch of things. I think if you're hiring a golf course architect, I obviously they can get some feedback from these people, but they'll come here, they'll look at our community and they'll they'll get a sense of, you know, giving us some renderings and you play with them. But, you know, I'm, I'm wondering if we're going to have and, and I haven't been on the course in years, I, I gave up golf years ago, when, actually David Ledbetter saw me play and he and he told me that if I, if he ever saw me play again, he was going to fire me, because he didn't want anybody thinking. He gave me a golf lesson. So it would ruin his reputation. So anyways. But you know, if we're going to have an A quality clubhouse, have we, have we reviewed the actual golf course itself and does it need enhancement to be brought? You know, the do the greens need to be enhanced. Do the bunkers need to be changed? Are there a lot of things that, you know, again, we don't want to have a great clubhouse and then a subpar course. Tom, do you want to address that? So should we look at that? If we're looking at the clubhouse as well? Well, one of the my favorite projects I ever did here in the city was the rebuilding of the golf course eight years ago, we replaced all the greens. We rearranged some of the holes. The reason why the golf course is so popular now is because of the renovation we did itself on the golf course. So you feel that the course is. And they've just upgraded all the tee boxes to do. I feel the course needs a new clubhouse. Oh, yeah. Without a doubt I can. I'd like to discuss with you on what clubhouse it needs. It doesn't need you know. It doesn't need. Want something that you would put a Pinehurst I need something that's going to it's going to generate revenue. And I agree with you on on that. But you gotta look at your clientele. You gotta think about your clientele. You gotta think about your golfers. You gotta think about golf outings. And that's that's very important. That's where a lot of your revenue will come back. But I do want to interject on this. Our clientele is what the atmosphere is created there. And if we if we change the atmosphere just a little bit, I'm telling you the clientele, what will be a more mixed because what people will come, you know, we form a committee, they'll have different suggestions. Those who usually play in the morning as opposed to people who will play in the evening, you know. And so all that's coming, all that will be we'll get there. I'm an avid golfer. I'm a pretty good golfer, actually. I'm a single digit player. Oh, wow. I play a lot of golf. But you got to think about your clientele. And then even if you bring in a higher end, restaurant over there, the golf course is worth $50 a round. It's not worth 75, 100, 150. Some of these top golf courses. You're still going to have that. So you got to be careful on how you you present the golf club. That's a that's a later discussion. That's we're not you're going you're jumping way ahead of the thing. So sit down. Okay. We're done. I think on that one. Is our last thing the normal miss of anything else we haven't covered tonight? Is that next where we are, Ron? Well, city manager and I talked about just updating you on how the Arpa is and where we're at on it. Yes. So that's that was a last update. You on Arpa. Go ahead Ron. And we put these on here. So maybe a little easier to read. It might be hard to read up here, but, the first slide we're just we're just trying to show you all the projects. We got the 12.8 million, we've got the 12.9 million obligated. When the board approved it. And then as of July 31st, 2024, trying to tell you the status of it. Green means those projects are complete. The light blue is the estimated timeline, the obligated for the projects was you had to have them obligated by December 31st, 2024. We've already done that, I'm anticipating I would say by December of 25, we should have all the money spent. The deadline for spending all the money was December 31st of 2026. So we're we're doing good with a using all the Arpa money, this next slide is just going on into all the Arpa projects, this what it's showing is the Arpa, the money, the projects that have Arpa tied to it, the total cost of the project in green is the Arpa funded portion, the 12.9 million. Then the non Arpa funding and the yellow. It's the Arpa funding that's expensed as a total that's expensed as of July 31st, 2024, where we spent 7.7 million of the Arpa money and that leaves the remaining Arpa money still remaining as a 5.2 million. And that's the update on the Arpa money. So based on what you just said, I'm going to just state that what I'm interested in is that we encumber everything by December 31st, 2024, and it's expended by December 31st, 2026. So that's the game plan as you're showing it. Is that correct there already? All of them are encumbered and the hospital has spent its money to we reached the first step. They're all encumbered by the time of 24. Now we got to make sure they're all spent by 2630 first of 26. But I'm thinking by the previous year, 2030, 2025, we'll have it all spent. So we'll we'll have it spent a year early, Ron, are there any that I mean, based on your experience that look a little iffy, right now as far as December 31st, 2026? No. And that's when we came back and we reallocated some projects. One we were concerned about, and we reallocated them those fundings to the penny fund offset, you know, like Lemon Street and Elfers. We moved money from the sponge docks pumping station and Craig Park seawall phase two. We had those in here, but we took that money out of the Arpa because of concern about not meeting that deadline. This new plan gives us a year's leeway of things going wrong. We plan to have them done a year before the deadline, and we've got those 12 months as a leeway of some things. Drag or something. So I think we got a great cushion by moving those projects. That may have been a question of having run overs for whatever reason, when this board fixed that and put the pretty much sure things we get done, that's why we're we have a year of, of a makeup time if something goes wrong. So that should be plenty. We're still gearing for that to be done a year early, so. Okay All right, let me ask, questions on no questions for me on this subject. Sexual Ron, if we how we won't know about the, I'm sorry. Did I go out of turn? I'm sorry. Did I go out of turn? No. You're fine. I was just looking at, Commissioner, I remember teeing it up to the next step, but you're fine. Go ahead. So if we don't, when will we? We won't know about buying the Stamos property till November. What? What's the election day? November 5th. November 5th. And we will have approved this budget by when, the second public hearing is, September 18th. Okay, so I'm just asking you out of curiosity, how is this going to work? Are you going to have two budgets or are you just going to you're just going to assume we're buying the property, have it already in the budget, or how are you going to do that? No, we'll bring it forward in a budget resolution. Okay. And then if we don't do if we don't, if the render, referendum fails, then does the board. I'd like I'd like to hear from the board members. Are there any projects that we have that could be put in that we could take advantage of? You know, our willingness to create a little bit of debt? Is there anything we would want to accelerate that we may had on the thing, like the vice mayor was talking about Orange Street or should should we identify some of those things now, just to have that conversation or, or does anybody have any ideas? I think once we get the results of that election, we can bring it in as an agenda item. Maybe to look at capital improvement projects during a regular session or even a special session. I'm hoping that the I mean, I'm hoping that the residents approve it and then, you know, I there's there may be some things associated with that property too, once it's purchased that needs to be done to it. I don't know what it would be, but, maybe to secure it better, I right now, everything, we're just leasing it for storing dirt. But there may be some fencing and some things like that that need to be, you know, put up to secure it. I don't know that. I think that's what you're getting at. Wait till November. Yeah So we're going to have a subsequent revising of the budget, right after that, after that referendum, either either passes or fails because if it fails, we still may want to, you know, kick some things in. But it's not currently funded. Correct. So okay. So we'll have a lot to discuss. Yeah. Well, I have things to discuss. Okay. We don't want to talk about those now. I was just wondering if anybody had ideas. I know it's premature. Yes Anything. Well, I did want to speak on. Yes I do. I did not want to put anything on the table, in advance because you also give people then an alternative to say, well, if I don't vote for this, I could, you know, maybe with the city could put their money here, there or anywhere. So until I see the final vote, I really don't want to make even any suggestions of what we will do. Okay Same thing. Frank. Yeah the only, the. This is the end of where we are, right now. I mean, we just are we finished on? I have something else I want to. Well, we'll go. The last thing is always on on a miscellaneous where we talk about other things that come up. So. So we got the last thing will be miscellaneous. Our wish list. What's next after this? Miscellaneous. The next. Right. Okay. We're there. The I almost hate to say it, but because I know we're going to have an agenda item. But anything that we need to discuss tonight concerning the CRA, not not the, assets that are already there, but anything that we need to, other than than what we had had already or anything new that's come up with that or, not really. But remember the CRA budget just takes a CRA meeting to decide there's something that wants, I know, to move forward and go. I don't think there's anything right now. We're sitting looking at we did. Yeah. The last budget meeting, we included the discussion of the CRA. Right. Yeah. And, I just want to make sure that, you know, there aren't any deficiencies there, I guess, if you will, that that we need to do right now. We've got the money there if it's noted or and whenever it's noted. October. November. Yeah. Next month or in two weeks. Hey, we got efficiency. We've got adequate money, to do those and honestly, your gut feeling is we're not there yet on the, Hoffman property to discuss it. No, not not yet. Not yet. Okay. All right. That's fine. It's not far off. But no, no, that's okay, I just, I I'm. Yeah, you know more the dynamic as far as the feel for things and than I do so that that's fine and, and but as far as, anything else at the other end of Tarpon Avenue towards the highway, there's nothing that we need to worry about there or anything. No. And I'm comfortable as all as he said, we've we've got double the amount or more of projects than we've ever had going at one time before. As they start to go and as we go through this next budget time, the new city manager will be updated on as things ease up, because you only have so much manpower to do so many projects. There's a lot of things we could do now, but we need some of these record number of projects going in. But but we have the Cape, especially in the CRA, to move on to some of those things, especially some of those things that'll save some cost because there's in-house money to use to the bump outs. How is that want? I mean, we were talking about removing some of those. Yeah. To gain some additional. We're still remember we on the ones that are on roads. Our roads is easy and can be doing it. The fDOT roads are okay are a long process. Yeah. That was the other thing. The islands right we talked about. But we're on course on adding we've added some already. I think we've added our first phase of extra spaces, some of them only one space or two spaces, but they're still added parking for downtown and we're still working on that. And we have the money available in the CRA budget for that, to do the ones that are in the CRA. Okay. And, I really don't want to create another because we haven't talked about it a little bit, but the, what's the name of the law firm that starts with a B that we've looked at their property for parking, from the library. What's his name? From the library, you mean? Oh, goodness not. Yes. The tour. The tour not b l yeah, yeah, we haven't gotten any news from them as far as a purchase of property like that. No, but it's about that time. I think it's every six months. I think we contact them. So I think it's coming up September, October for our next contact. That would if that did come forward, that would be a little bit of a kind of a shuffle, the shuffle, the money around a little bit. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Because again, everybody talks about these parking garages, everything. But as I said from the start, we would have enough surface parking to last us many years before we even have to look at a parking garage. If you leveled that, combined it with the watch, we got an even. We got a piece of the bank. You got the surface parking for a while and can take your time if you're moving forward with a garage later and stuff. So I'll tell you the first Fridays nobody's complained about the parking down there, all the vendors and things like that. Nobody's come back and they complained about other things, but not that. So okay, so you're going to take a pass on Mr. Latour again. And yeah, we it's going to be a regular thing, and he'll probably have a regular answer for you too. Well, he'd be ready. He's going to be ready to retire sometime, so. Okay. Vice mayor, you had your light on, no, I just didn't want to bring up. I did hear about a potential. I mean, it's a it's a small property, right? Right Between, Johnny's tap house and that upholstery building. That may be a little potential parking pay to park by, a local who has it as a property, so just. But it's only 8 to 12. But I just wanted to give you a heads up. It is right in the middle of downtown between those alleys, which will help with employees and other stuff, too. So that's something that may come before the board here in the future. Okay, well, I might as well tell you with your Segway, we've been having a troublesome time dealing with Truist Bank. We've had an issue. We have been we have been for years. Truist Bank and I still call it the round Bank. What's the bank over by the library. I still call it the round bank. But you know, those lots. But Truist, you know, first Federal Building. Truist. We have we have been trying for years both banks to come up with an agreement where after hours that we will ensure we have to lease the parking price to try to do, we have been trying for years to secure that. The banks say, oh, we're public banks and we're parking. We don't mind it and we don't have to do that. I've always been leery of that because things change. Well, with an incident of somebody falling in Truist Bank and stuff, the negotiations picked up with them to go forward. For some reason. We're having a lot of resistance from them, they keep wanting to do something for First Fridays, but not for the rest of the time. And I'm not concerned about First Fridays. I'm concerned about all the people who park to go to currents, to go to the ice cream shop every day, every weekend. And I want that agreement. I've even got Mr. Salzman involved as of a week ago, to try to get a hold of their attorney and their attorney won't call Mr. Salzman back. The bank is talking about now, hiring 711 parking, if, you know, 711 parking places and stuff, how they do it and make it a charge, a charge for parking after hours. Things where I'm saying, wait a second, the city is here, you know, we've got a rate. We pay other lots per lot. We'll renegotiate a lease. But the insurance on and go if we don't get something back and forth of with this bank, there's a possibility of losing that bank to pay parking. Why they don't think it's a disaster. To take away the parking for the people to be a community bank and then take the way the park. I've told them it's a it's a nightmare. And if I had money there, I'd probably pull my money out for them doing it, but they're not even talking with so when you hear that come up, we are exhausted. Efforts got attorneys trying to talk to their attorneys to try to do this, but there is the possibility that that, that lot might become pay. So you'll be hearing it because it's just intensified. And if you see 711 signs and after hours, you know, use the app and it's so much an hour and stuff that you go that that could be on the rise. And so, so this last two weeks is when this up. So that's the first opportunity to talk about that one lot. We may have an issue if Truist Bank doesn't come around and want to work with the city to make it the city lot after hours. And I also bank there. So I did hear about this, about a little close to two months ago, but it was the frustration seemed to have come more from the first Friday situation, well, somebody fell and they noticed them. They were going to sue the bank. Yeah. And so, man, I we have the money allocated so much each year, I think it's about $200,000 towards parking or trying to obtain parking, we need to do our best, and it might, you know, we're going to pay a premium on it, but that's downtown right in the center. So I don't know what I can do as a commissioner. I go there a couple times a week and just hopefully have them contact city staff and the city attorney to work an agreement out. We had a great verbal agreement for some time, you know, but, we understand, you know, their exposure at times and we need to lock it in as a result of us and try to get this deal done. It's too close to downtown. It's right in the center to, I don't want any other reason to detour residents or people to come to downtown. And five, $10 parking may sometimes be enough to do it. So, I appreciate us just looking in to try to resolve it. Thank you. Okay, is there any other miscellaneous from any of the commissioners? Miscellaneous. Go ahead. Well, I want to add to this, since I've been the parking attendant for the last five First Fridays for the Truist Bank, you know, it is, everybody comes in there for ice cream. They come in there to pick up meat, they come in there, you name it, they're in there. And the issue is you can't, but 29 days out of the month allow parking there with no restrictions. And then one day a month you decide to put restrictions in because it's not just the parking. They're they're parking. Also at the, the drive through. So and in this last week, the drive through somebody parked there and you know, I think it was Casey asked me, do you know who it was parked there? I don't and they were going to tow them and they add them up on the lift. And then he had to have him drop down. So I don't know how you manage that, you know, per se, without somebody has to oversee the parking there, whether it be the city or this. You know, I heard also about them, you know, having this 711 parking coming in next month, where I won't be there, so is it next month? They're going to do that? That's what I heard. It was next month that they. You know, because I know that the merchants did not want, us to be representing you know, it's a real hassle, I'll tell you that. Yeah. But but who's going to. Is it the bank that's going to pay for them or is it the merchants association? No this is a outside source that is going to control the parking that period. Yeah. The merchants will have to worry because the people parked there, they're going to pay a fee and they're going to park there. They're going to go on the app, pay $5 or whatever it is, $2 an hour, just like the bank, right? Yes. It's a revenue source for the bank. It'll be a revenue source. Just let you know I've offered a revenue source from the city because we got money put away to do that stuff, and I'm trying to get a negotiation, but I can't get, you know, I don't know. Salzman got to drive over there to the lawyer's office to talk to us and get going, because they're not answering his calls. So. But some of the issue is also the bank has no, signage there to. And that's the problem. We've told them with the drive through and everything else, they don't have the proper signage to do that. So, you know, that's some of the issue because people like they come in there and they go, there's no signs, you know, why are you here today just because it's first Friday? Yeah But, you know, it makes it a problem. And I would like to see that remain a city, parking area. But, you know, if they're not going to respond, you know, what do you do? The person that did do the suit is no longer allowed in any of the merchant, functions as well. Right. And it was a vendor and they weren't supposed to be parking there anyways against the rules of the vendor parking. That was not vendor parking. He wasn't supposed to be parking there for the event. He violated the rules and parked there. Yes, yes. But they they all come. I'm dropping off. I'm just be two seconds. It's, you know, you're playing cat and mouse with everybody, you know. So it's a difficult situation, you know, but, last call on miscellaneous. Yes. Go ahead. Since since we're talking parking. You know, I noticed on first Friday I see people parked all the way out here in front of the city hall. They use our our city parking spots. You know, I, I measured it from the from right outside on. Pine. Yeah. Pine all the way down to Tarpon Avenue. 3/10 of a mile. I walked Tarpon Avenue. Here, look, I run it, and, it was it took five minutes. And just under seconds and about the same going back, that's not a long way to walk. It's not. And most places, if you go to you know, Clearwater, Saint Pete, wherever you go, you, you walk a couple blocks, right? It's not the end of the world, you know, we're we got this referendum on that property out, on that same property. I went out with Bob Robertson. We went across the street over to the to the property across the street at the sewer plant. We use a great deal of that for storage of equipment, we had there, you know, they do servicing of cars there. They have, there was a lot of police cars being worked on, all kinds of stuff. I don't, I haven't, you know, done any, any rendering on that. But if we get this property out on the same property and we moved, a great deal of our, of our usage of a vehicle maintenance out there, you'd free up, I would guess maybe a hundred parking spaces. I mean, it's a lot, because if you if you go look at an aerial map of how much of that property across the street is being used by the storage of equipment, and if we use that property out there, we could and that would be in it's accessible to downtown. And it's probably equally as accessible to the sponge docks. And, you know, we could steer people to go park there. So, you know, there's there if we think outside the box, this, this property out there that we might be getting, there's a lot of could free up some spaces here in, in town that we could use for parking. And maybe we get, you know, a, a big number of parking spaces and, and again, it's a five minute walk to downtown. So just saying, yes, I'm going to start with my wish list. And then I like as we first talk about the Christmas lights, I just please let them know that, you know, there's one commissioner who drives around town and looks at the Christmas lights four times a week, whether up and I just think we can get more for our buck. Got to sort of tell them, hey, we're not getting as much of those big decorations, maybe they can give us a discount on those three trees that they give us. They come, you know, several thousand dollars. You know, I just think. But I'd like to see some bigger pieces around Spring Bayou, and not some of the lower end ones that I think they give us. You know, if they're doing this co-op thing with all the other cities, you know, we're just as important in our area is just as beautiful. I'd hopefully like to see I know we have that electrical issue at times. So it's tough. But get some more ice for lights out there and really light up Spring Bayou. It's a cool area and I'm all about bringing as much holiday cheer to the community as we ca. I think if we just, you know, stay on them a little bit and let them know, you know, some board members, wanting to do wanting to get more, I think we can get get it done. I've got all those notes down and that's what we're going to be broaching when we meet with them. Please. And then as far as, at some point, not this year. And as our, our there's more economic development between the sponge docks and the downtown, I noticed one time in downtown New Port Richey, they have this golf cart shuttle service, and they're like 6 to 8 people in the golf carts, and they can bring them back and forth. And I just think that's something we can need to consider in the future. As we try to create that. Corridor to connect the two. It can be done, and I think it will go a long ways as the sponge docks start building up again, as far as this is. And I talked to Miss Lemons about it at the last meeting, and I think I've spoken to you a little bit. This is going towards cultural services and advertising and could be economic development. I requested to hopefully create a budget for, some advertising that is geared towards more of the cultural and the heritage of, of the regional area and Tampa Bay. And that's really tied towards our community. And one example I did bring up was, Greek Voice TV. There are certain events and I want to bring it up like this. You know, where Tarpon Springs is a cultural and a heritage. You know, melting pot. And we have traditions that not only represent this community, but the whole the a lot of the culture and the heritage of the Tampa Bay area. That's derived from this community. And if we could put some advertising and it doesn't got to be a lot, but towards one of these organizations, like Mr. Aguilar, those Greek voice TV, for certain events, certain cultural heritage events to help advertise and get the word out, like hope de like orchid. You know, these events are great and a lot of the all other, cultural events that we have in our community. But if we don't have a lot of those people from the area slowly coming in and being part of it, the perspective of that culture, you know, is a little bit dimmed down. And so I would really like to help put some money to the side and cultural services to reach out to some of these advertising, you know, broadcasting channels to reach the Tampa Bay, you know, Greek community, regional, whatever. There's more than just Greeks who watch that channel, but it will help drive in more of a cultural and heritage, group of people to help with the tourists and local residents who come to these events. And so that's why I want to really tie it in, there's, you know, we're there's Tarpon Springs, but there's also a lot of the heritage and culture around the Tampa Bay region that I think we can help bring in that, that, that cultural services and Miss Lemons does a great job in advertising the tourists at the different airports, the different highways with the billboards. But I'd really like to hit that type of market, too, because without them, without them being a part of these events, you know, the atmosphere is just a little bit not as the same. And I think some of you understand what I'm trying to say. And so, please consider that, okay. The on call as we discussed, please look at trying to increase it, for those employees and you know, Mr. Rudd actually asked me a question what he would like to see done. You know, when he got in office or three years. And one of the answers I gave him was, let's get these employees salaries up, competitive with the nearby municipalities. And you know, that way we're comparable. And we're not just that stepping stone. So I'm hoping here in the near future, we can have a third party consultant for employee pay study. That way we're not fixing, you know, just putting Band-Aids on situations, and we can help get some, a better view from a third party looking at this for a plan. I did want to bring up a reorganization. I don't I'm not sure if the board's aware of it yet. The potentially bringing up on the August 20th meeting, and Mark doesn't even know I'm about to bring it up, but the water conveyance department, you know, they do a lot of the meter repairs and water connection, I think there's about 22 employees or so that could benefit from a reorg. And I'd like this board to maybe even consider just one great pay increase, you know, there was a study at somewhat and I know the budgets are tigh, but now's the time for the reorgs. And we'd really be putting a Band-Aid on another situation. But, these are everyday people on the ground moving around that really take care of some of the, you know, water and sewer utilities that help keep the city going. And bringing in funds. So those are everyday people. And I'd like for this board to consider looking at a reorg of just a smaller increase as a grade pay. And, you know, for that department at least, because that's really one of the only departments I know about potentially needing a reorg other than what's been put into the budget. So far. So I just wanted to bring that up as well. What do you think, Mark? Well that leads me to put it on. They they probably been being looked at, but they're also one that they've gone through the process of last years. And I believe they've got some which I'll look at and stuff. But I believe what we do every year and that that leads me in because my miscellaneous is on the salary study and stuff. So what you're going to see probably tomorrow when we finalize it, I had a committee, the committee consisted of Paul Smith, Scott Young and Jane Kniffen. That took the initial all the initial requests, I went through them. I forwarded them to them. They looked at it. We used two older studies. Now, the Clearwater, which the Clearwater one doesn't even. It's so outlandish. Nobody in the county, the way they did it out, prices everybody in the county. So that's not the Dunedin one's a little better to look at that. We've used, so we tried to find in that area the, the places that were the lowest and some of them are lower positions. But we've done a lot at the lower end. So what you're going to see tomorrow is, is after we approve it, hopefully in our meeting all morning is the what we're bringing before the budget advisory first next Thursday. We want it to them and to you Friday. So you've got the weekend now. You won't deal with it until the 20th. But I but I want you to see it because I want next week the ability for you to meet either with the committee or each of the department heads that have the increases on to explain the processes of how we got there and how we did that before the 20th meeting. So I'm going to offer that up. Also, you can talk about the, you know, get with Tommy Kiger and the committee and talk about what are the plans for this. We have done a four year plan. We've methodically taken the most needy groups, and then we know, okay, you're up next year and then you're up next year. And we're at probably one of the final years up before we have to go back. Because now now we're over here to done. But what were the important thing that we're waiting for is Largo has been a lot of money and having extensive study that's coming out as we speak. The Largo study will be the more current than the Clearwater and Dunedin. It'll be a real good base, for us to look at and see where we need to go for our, what supplemental study that we could do at probably a lot less cost to kind of take that study in the aspects that maybe we want to see more for our people and then do that analysis that you say, when that thing's out for this year and then set our course for the new city manager next budget, come who is the first line of ones? And then probably water is going to be that first line. Some of those, those, especially the licensed function of water conveyance. That'll and we'll be able with that study and whatever supplement we need to line out where we're going the next year. So we don't all do all these at once. So that process is starting. You're going to see it. And then we'll have a discussion on it. Hopefully you'll have a discussion next week, with the department heads and the committee on that. We'll talk about it, August 20th, the finalize, so that's why it's important for us to get it out tomorrow. So everybody has enough. And then the budget advisory city is going to see it Thursday at 2:00, they'll see it. And have all the departments had to explain it. So the, August 20th meeting will be, I guess I should ask, what would would you be expecting out of us for that meeting? That has to be by resolution. So while it's not in the budget process because our budget workshops, because it has to be done for the salary change that has to be done, by resolution. So what you'd be in essence, be doing is passing the resolution for the budget on the salary changes, grades, and then we'll see the budget, was it the first week of September or something like that? Okay. All right. But that's the one thing in the budget process that has to be done by resolution. That's why that's why you see it. Then of course, we always wait till the end, because we're trying to look at all the other places. What are they doing? What do they do? We can't do this at the beginning of the budget process, because we don't know where the other city's going, which is going to gauge what's our res, what's our grades and stuff. So people ask, why do you wait till the end? Well, we have to see what's going on in the county because we do it early. We could get bypassed and stuff. So. So that's the only process you haven't seen in the budget, but you'll see it starting tomorrow. So there's plenty of time for the 20th. Yeah that's good. No thank you. Thank you for bringing that up Mark. That way we can we can see what's planned in the future. And yes, just have a good idea. Okay. I'm happy that we're putting reserves, increasing our reserves again. And, you know, this is a I'm not gonna lie, I went to, obviously, I was on vacation. And when I would ask you know, people to ask me about government and, supposedly, you know, there's one former mayor out there saying that we're just in a financial disarray since he left, and so I'd like Mr, Ron Herring to come up here and tell us that we're not in that it seems like we're, you know, doing a good job balancing our books each year and focusing on our projects. And, this little message that's been going around, I just would like to get cleared up. Thank you. If you're talking about the general fund, we still have a solid general fund. Unassigned fund balance. We're right. 26, 27%. Our fund balance policy is a minimum of 20%. So 26, 27%, we're very solid. There's a lot of cities that have a smaller percentage of fund balance. So 26, 27% is solid. We want to try to increase it as our expense. It's based on expenditures. That's why we started talking about in, in this current fiscal year, we've set aside, you know, 1% to increase it, to bring it up to about 27, 28%. And then the budget, we're working on now, we want to we've we're setting aside money for another 1%. So to gradually try to increase it. Thank you sir. And just thank you for putting it on there. Let me do my layman's term. I'll put our budget up and what we get done for our budget, where we're standing, where we are at debt service against anybody in Pinellas County. We are in great shape now. There are serious problems that doesn't necessarily get out in the press on a lot of other cities in this county and issues and things, not fun. But I can tell you and I you know me, I don't stay little that I can't back up and somebody challenge me. But our budget is as good a shape of any city in this county, I'm just happy we talked about it and got on the record, so thank you, Commissioner Koulianos. Yeah, just to take that one step further, we have good reserves. We pay all of our bills, we are planning for the future, and we are. We're in balance, I don't, you know, I don't there's nothing more you can say and double the projects going on that's ever gone on in the city that are progressing through the process. And I go back, you know, I'm not going to harp on my happiness moment, but we're doing well. And now and now look at where we're looking to, you know, I when I was listing all the things hospital, we have, university, we got parks, we got golf course, we got. I mean, you show me a city of 26,000 people that has as many services. Our own police department, our own fire department, and we pay for it all. And we don't overtax our our residents compare us to everyone else. We're we're in good shape. So you know, I don't know where those those those rumors are going, but, they're unfounded. Thank you. So. So I'm going to try to make money for us, not spend money for us, because that's all I heard was spending money. So a lot of the calls I get are for, locals that want to come in to spend money in Tarpon Springs, in the sponge docks, and they're forced to pay money to park for a five minute just pickup. So I would like to see that we can do something for our residents. A to make it somewhat, whether it be a scanner or some sort of a code reader so that they can pull in and pull out for a discount price so that we're not hitting them, because they're not staying all day long. And I understand, I know where to park, so it doesn't affect me. But there's a lot of people that just want to be able to park. So I think that's something we need to consider as a board. I know it's privately owned, but there's ways to negotiate, I'm an advocate for charging for Sunset Beach, to go in and out. If you are an outsider, if you are a part of the tarpon taxpayer, not. But people pay for Fred Howard Park, so all the overage of people that don't want to pay it for Howard Park come and use our sunset beach. And it's our, you know, ours to clean up and maintain and everything else. So I would like to see a nominal charge there, even if it's just parking to get in. And then we can change it as need be, same thing would go for the, splash park, we have, you know, just charged for parking. And, you know, people want to park somewhere else and walk in. I mean, you can't stop it, but it will restrict it to some degree. And the biggest thing that I run into every summer, mostly is, upping the fines for people boat launching and not, and just parking all around the, fruit section. And, you know, I believe the price of, fine is $25. And the consensus is that anyone that parks just says it's worth the $25 if they get the ticket, if we up the ticket to something that's a little different, where it's more substantial, you know, we they may then decide to get a boat registration, you know, a parking, sticker. As I drive around, I notice that a lot of people do not have the sticker because they're not really worried. So they're hindering the residents. They're they're hindering traffic from going through the hindering the fire department from going through. So I think those are things that we need to look at, moving forward. So these are all income producing and, those are my kind of wish list, and it's not unheard of. I mean, you know, you go into Dunedin, they have paid parking, I'm not looking to do that, but there is. That could come some day to where we have, you know, people just not parking on Tarpon Avenue all day long. It's a way to move traffic. You know, you can have a two hour meter. You don't have to have a 15 minute meter, so you know, you can go out and have a lunch and, you know, just keep moving, I also did take a tour just recently of the coach building. It's coming along beautifully. And I know that they've gotten themselves parking as well. So there's no not going to be any issues with that. And I look forward to another successful business coming in and making, you know, in the 11 years I'm here, I've what I've seen Tarpon Avenue change drastically from point A to point B. I'm very impressed with the way it is. I'm also in agreement, and I brought this up a number of times, and I agree with the vice mayor as far as in having some sort of autonomous vehicle maybe going up and down Safford, bringing people from the sponge docks to the downtown. I know they do it for wine walk, but it's not an autonomous vehicle. It's a, you know, trolley. And it moves people back and forth, maybe we could do this just on the weekends, I don't know. But it, you know, during the weekday, I can understand it may not be as advantageous to do, but on the, the week days. The weekends. I'm sorry. It's a value. It allows people more flexibility. So these are all things that I'd like to look at going into this new year. And I believe them to be all money making ideas. So that's the route I want to go. I mean, I've heard everybody want to spend. We you know, we all want the golf new golf building and we want this and we want that, but you need to be able to pay for it. And I know Ron's pockets are starting to get a little empty there. So we need to make sure we fill its pockets a little bit. You okay with that? It might not be good if it's in my pocket, but yeah, I'm good with it. It's only a temporary loan, you know what I mean? It's the whole. You're going to have to hold. Yes. So that's all I have, Frank, do you have anything, you know, the things that mentioned as far as the connecting the downtown with the, sponge docks? Is, is still a work in progress. Just trying to find the right recipe. We had that near miss with that autonomous, remember that? Until they hit somebody, and then even the autonomous thing ran over somebody, and then they ended that. And then, we checked with the Jolly Trolley, which they had two sizes of jolly trolleys. They've got the big one. And then they told us it was a small one, but it's really a medium which is almost as large as the large one. If they had a smaller version of that, that is the solution. And, perhaps, I don't know, through forward Pinellas. Right. Is that through forward Pinellas. Yeah. They do the maybe maybe we were still looking. There's another ride service that we're looking I mean this this is for mine. There's a lot of things like I've been told parking downtown and the docks forever. Finding this transportation is one of my forever projects that I gotta pass over to, Mr. Rudd said. This is one of our. We're always looking at this and stuff, and we've looked at several when we were close with one, and then it has issues and stuff. We've got another one I know that we're looking at and we're we're looking at the test of I forget what city it's in now, but but that is a continuous thing we're looking at. And it may just start off a Friday, Saturday and Sunday and then see how it works and expand. But but we are looking, even the bringing a six month trial a year trial, we're looking for the right one to do that. So that is a constant process of us trying to do that and bring them in and, and, and, you know, the merchants, do that for the wine walk, the Jolly Trolley, for connecting people from the sponge docks and dropping them off. And then they just continually we both agree with the type of beer, the size of the vehicle. That would be perfect. That ones too. Yeah. Yeah Okay. All good ideas. And the only thing I'm going to say is you just have to keep at it, because, if you don't keep at it that there's so much going on, it's out of sight, out of mind sort of thing. So I want to ask you, do you have anything to staff or anything? That's all. Okay. Meeting adjourned at 833.