Call the meeting to order. This is the Planning and Zoning Board workshop. Monday, May 20th, 24. Can we have a roll call? Roll call. Mr. seaman here, Mr. Ku scooters here. Mr. Vessey here. Mr. Rocklin here. Miss Earth early. Mr. Mr. Zembillas here, miss Francis here. Miss Swenson here. Okay. Before we go into into the Pledge of Allegiance and stuff, I just want to share a couple things. As far as the way the meeting will be conducted tonight, we have have agreed to set a time limit of 9:00, so we want to get get the comments in by that time, or we will schedule another meeting to address those if we have further comments that don't get made, also, the way the comments are going to be conducted would be, initially the presentation by staff of the comp plan, we will have open discussion between the planning and Zoning board members. Once those are once that discussion is concluded and will receive comments from the members of the other appointed boards in the order of Board of Adjustment, Heritage Preservation Board, Code Enforcement Board, Budget Advisory Committee, Library Board, Parks and Rec Board, public Art Committee, and Sustainability Advisory Committee, then at the end of that will receive comments from the general public that are in attendance. So with that, can we have the Pledge of Allegiance, Mr. Vessey? Please stand. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. In just a few extra thoughts. What a wonderful opportunity we have tonight. I'd like to give thanks for everyone that took the time to come. Our guests, our volunteer board members, staff that has worked so hard for so long and deserve so much credit for keeping us moving. And now we have this package in front of us and I think we should all take a moment to reflect on how lucky we are that we can gather together to the city's business to peacefully, to civilly make forward progress. Thank you. All right. That brings us to the start of the workshop session. I'd like to just briefly thank staff, and my fellow board members for all the hard work that's gone into this. Staff has worked tirelessly for, what, 2 or 3 years getting this together and we've had somewhere in the neighborhood of 13 an additional special workshops and meetings, where the members of the P and Z board have have become intimately involved with the process and driven the staff crazy at times. So I want to give special thanks to Renee and Patricia and everybody else on the staff. That's that's put this together because it's a Herculean effort. And it's a beautiful document. And thank you for that. Thank you, and I'm going to throw that. Thanks right back to the Planning and Zoning Board, because I think we were at a place where we didn't know where to go. And, and you guys really kind of stepped in as a group and were so willing to work through it. It took a lot of input, a lot of meetings, a lot of a lot of dialog back and forth. And but I think ultimately we have a plan that, that this board supports, that staff is really, really proud of, and so I think, I just think we're at a really great place, and I just do want to echo the thanks to my staff, because they did all the heavy lifting here, they really did, so with that, we'll go ahead and jump into the, to the presentation, this is the same presentation that I gave to the Board of Commissioners. So if it's a little repetitive, I apologize for that. So, we have named the plan Tarpon tomorrow planning for the future while preserving the past. So, major findings, just at a very high level, we expect our population to increase by about 2600 persons by the year 2040. So that's kind of slow, incremental growth, we expect our household population to increase by around 1300, so household goods live in household units. So it's little, little mixing of, of nomenclature there. But it, it translates into the number of housing units that we're going to need through 2040, our functional population, which includes our seasonal and utility service areas, again, expected to increase, you know, again by about, you know, 22,000, 2500 persons, employment is expected to increase by almost 3000 jobs, largely in service sector. And commercial employment, at a high level, we have available land to accommodate our expected population growth, and economic expansion with no increases to density or intensity. We there's a very minor thing on intensity that I'll talk about, in a moment. We have sufficient water and sewer capacity to accommodate that growth over the next 20 year planning horizon and actually beyond, and then that last is just a little factoid about our population per square mile between 2010 and 2020, increased by about 175 persons. But if you compare us to the other local municipal municipalities in the area, they're all at least 3500 and up. So we're a little, little less dense and a little more comfortable here. Major changes, obviously we've updated all the maps and the data, I think a big change is we've created this place based area map, that really is meant to provide a little higher level guidance when we're evaluating land use and zoning changes in the future, we've consolidated the future land use categories, and renamed the categories to align with the countywide planning authority, we've removed outdated policies and completed actions. We've deleted repetitive policies where we could across multiple elements, the plan itself has been reorganized around the strategic plan. So I'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment, and then obviously updates based on community engagement and the advisory board participation. So the plan itself can consist of the comprehensive plan, which is that document that you have in front of you, the introduction, the background and findings, population and employment projections, the 13 elements with goals, objectives and policies. You have a map series. You have the future land use categories and rules and the definitions. And so that's all the things that are meant to be adopted. The supplemental data that's not intended to be adopted is the actual data and analysis, the work plan, the sustainability crosswalk and the community engagement summary. So this is just a high level. This is just a list of the actual elements that we have in the plan and the icons associated with them. The strategic plan alignment. So if you recall, at the same time that we were undergoing the comprehensive plan update, we were also simultaneously be developing a strategic plan for the city. The first one in, I guess over 20 or 25 years. So there were six focus areas identified in the strategic plan smart growth and redevelopment, quality of life, good governance, infrastructure, cultural heritage and preservation, and then community engagement. So the elements, those 13 elements of the comprehensive plan are organized underneath of the five main areas of the five main focus group, focus areas of the strategic plan. And then that centers that community engagement piece that really pulls everything together, again, just this more detailed, numbers, you know, in five year increments on the population and employment growth. I won't go into that unless you really want to talk about it. So accommodating population growth. So through 2040 we expect to need total about 12,600 housing units to accommodate existing and future growth. So interestingly right now the current housing unit count in the city is over 13,000 housing units, which exceeds our projected need, the problem is, at the current time and if you can go back and look at this throughout Pinellas County and over time, we have we have over 1700 units that are classified as vacant, and about 900 of those are seasonal or occasional use. So they're just not available to support, you know, the, the population needs, moving forward, so we also have over 550 pipeline units that are approved or under under construction. So those count toward need and if necessary, we have sufficient vacant land that could accommodate over 3000 additional units at current density allowance is, interestingly, if you look at our need based on income and, and tenancy of ownership or ownership versus renter, the highest need of that is about 800 units of owner occupied market rate housing. So when you look at and these numbers came from the Schoenberg's Center for housing. So when you look at our our needs, household needs based on income, you know, these are fairly low numbers on the affordable housing side. And that's that's actually really excellent because we're meeting our needs here in Tarpon Springs. And so, you know, I think we've done a good job of accommodating affordable housing needs. And this is you know, again, this is this is projected need over the next 20 years. So that's those aren't alarming numbers, and that's just a higher, the detail on our vacant lands inventory and pipeline projects. So under the future land use element again, we consolidated those categories to align with the countywide plan. Again no increases to residential density. We created the place based map. We've also created, created and included heat severity and tree canopy preservation policies that aligns, this board talked about it and it's been a priority of the sustainability board, this is just the, consolidated version and renaming, and changes to the to the future land use map categories themselves. I talked about the one exception, the old residential office retail land use category, which will become retail and services Limited, which is renaming that original category, had two different floor area ratios and a point two zero for retail and a .30 for office. The proposed category will just have a straight .30 for all uses. So that is a little bit of an increase in floor area ratio in that one particular land use map category. And then this is just a continuation. So the place based area map, this is probably the most significant thing, that I think has come out of the update, so what was created was this kind of an intent map, if you will. So these areas that, you know, there's eight regular categories and then one environmental preserve reserved overlay. So you'll see these different colors, and I'll just switch to the next one. So you have areas that are, you know, agricultural residential state. That's these areas up in the northeast part of the city that, you know, are butting up to unincorporated Pinellas County, where, you know, agricultural is the norm, the neighborhood, suburban, are these areas kind of in this tan color? They're just established suburban neighborhoods, the neighborhood, traditional category. Are these areas that these are the old, like traditional kind of urban downtown, easy access to downtown, the docks and services can livable, walkable, you know, areas, and you can have a more urban lifestyle, the special area plan I think you're all familiar with. This is the area in orange that has its own regulating plan. Oops Won't like that, we have this transitional. The areas in green are areas where we've already recognized that change is happening. And there's conflict between existing land use and zoning and what people coming in wanting to develop. So these areas are called out for areas that specifically need additional planning efforts, to manage growth for the future. We have the waterfront mixed area, the intensive and the intensive waterfront areas, recognized. And then we have this environmental reserved area. And it's hard to see on this overlay, but it's a it's like a, it's like a little stipple, and it overlays all our existing park lands and environmental lands, and it recognizes areas that are vulnerable to sea level rise, adjacent to water bodies where, you know, we just have future conflict, as, as sea level rise continues. So these are areas that are flagged as you know, if you have an opportunity to acquire them or preserve them, then, you know, ideally you would take that opportunity. It doesn't mandate anything, but it recognizes these areas as as something to be focused on. The restricted area is just the Stauffer Chemical, which has its own set of restrictive covenants. So transportation establishes high the highest priority, safety is the highest priority. And recognizes the need to minimize the potential for transportation related deaths and injuries, the transportation element also directs the update of that old 2007 multimodal transportation District Quality of service analysis, to support a more citywide multimodal plan. The coastal management element, has been split off this. The coastal management used to be coastal management and conservation. And one element those have been split. And this really, provides guidelines for determining the suitability of development with regard to you know, coastal flooding, you know, FEMA requirements and sea level rise. The conservation element establishes goals, objectives and policies to guide decision making to protect natural resources, some of the major policy, changes, in this element include include increasing required wetland buffers, decreasing allowable impacts to wetlands compared to what they what's allowable now and again, this this element, very much closely aligns with the Sustainability Action plan, the recreation open space element, we maintain our previous developed level of service standards, and it does call for parks and recreation. Master plan, and out of that, we would hope to be able to update those level of service standards for all the facilities, the things like the ball fields and things of that nature. We also developed, this map was developed, which is an actual, walkability map to our parks, existing parks. And so any of the areas that are in white, you just don't have accessible, walkable accessibility to a designated park facility. So this map provides guidance for the city in the future as to where we would hope to be able to locate additional, you know, infill park, park, tot lots and things of that nature. Lifelong learning, this used to be the public schools facilities element, the biggest really, change here is, really kind of shifting the focus of this to also accommodate, additional workforce development, opportunities and equitable access to education. Our historical and cultural resources element, has been expanded to recognize the diversity of cultural traditions and foster artistic expression, it does recommend development of new tools, and preservation plans. To help the long term preservation of, of our assets in the city. And, new policies to implement the adaptation and resiliency plan for the historic district. The sponge docks and the Hope Athens area. So so regarding utilities, the city does a really good job of meeting needs, you know, of, you know, you know, the level of service needs water, sewer waste , you know, disposal, solid waste, stormwater, etc. the, the focus really in the future for the utilities will be, dealing with, with aging infrastructure and replacement. The capital improvements element, it does identify, or is intended to identify projects that are needed to maintain adopted level of service standards, and it also does require and this board had quite a bit of discussion about, requirements for ensuring that when we go through the budgeting process that that budget, at least is evaluated against the capital improvements element. And just, you know, we do have level of service standards for, water, sewer, solid waste, parks and recreation and hurricane shelters, transportation is handled through, the mobility management plan and participation with for Pinellas. The property rights element. There's no changes here. This is as as was originally adopted. We are required to have this in our plan. The plan administration, is exactly that. It establishes our guidelines for how we use the comprehensive plan, and then you also there's also a work plan that's included, in the electronic documents that were we basically took all those action policies that needed follow up. Whether it's changing the land development code or implementing new you know, programs or projects, all that's been put into a work plan that goes out, through through ten years. And so we've done our best to prioritize the things up front that we can and group things together that make sense, that things like land development code regulations, the intergovernmental Interagency Coordination is, is, you know, kind of on its surface, its face, exactly what it sounds like, this is just making sure that we coordinate with our adjacent local governments, other, regional, districts, you know, the utility utility providers, transportation providers and things of that nature. So, the tentative schedule, we did have a steering committee review as well as a general community meeting this past Saturday, and those went really well, tonight we are here for the your workshop with, for your own discussion as well as to get input from other appointed boards and the general public, June 17th is the anticipated actual first public hearing that for the Planning and Zoning Board. And then July 16th is the scheduled tentative, actual first reading and transmittal hearing, by the Board of commissioners. So I try to be short, but that was still a lot. I apologize. So with that, I'll answer questions or y'all, I'll let turn it back to you, Mr. Chairman, to move on as as you like. All right. Yes To, board members have questions for staff . I just wanted to know how the community engagement went Sunday , we had, we had, we only I was only able to get four members of the steering committee, but I'm going to reach back out to them and hopefully get them together again, or at least talk with them. One on one, they didn't get a ton of notice for it, we had about 22 people from the public that came, so we had we had good participation. They asked a lot of good questions. So it was generally it was very good. And I didn't go as I thought it might be like a conflict or something. So I just that's why I wasn't there. But just curious how many people showed up. So and we do intend to try to have at least one more, one more type of public engagement. Either we set something up at the library, we're still working out how we want to do that, might be better in June, maybe. Yeah with regard to the, the meeting that you held on May 18th, where you had community participation and you said they had some good questions, what were some of the questions or comments that would maybe help us or were there, you know, things that, that, that, that we need to look at, at revisiting or I'll and I'll branch this out to everybody, that that was there. I didn't hear anything that was that I think would, would warrant changing anything. I think a lot of it was more asking questions and understanding, you know, we, you know, we had questions about , you know, sidewalks and transportation and, or, you know, a particular property in and of itself, you know, so some people were just curious about is there anything here really affecting my property? So, Pat, do you have anything else you're remembering off the top of your head? I think while with the steering committee, kind of the questions I took notes on were kind of three categories. They wanted to know where some of the data came from. And they wanted to know where some things they were concerned about were in the plan. We were able to answer that. And then there was some kind of discussion. Talk about how do we do all this stuff going forward? And we talked about the work plan, because it was sustainability plan strategic. And this there was a concern about meshing all that and keeping it coordinated. So that's kind of what I heard, I don't know, the public. They just mostly ask questions. We had all the posters up around the room. So thank you. You guys have anything? Okay Yes, ma'am. As a as a newbie here, I appreciate everything that's been done. And I just want to say thank you. And thank you to the team, because I did come in with many questions prior to the meeting, and I appreciate you answering them. Then rather than taking the time here. And thank you all to the team here to bring me up to speed. But I think this is great. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Any further questions? I'll second that too. I mean, I don't think that we thank you enough, at least on this board. So I mean, I talk a lot to you guys. Not in the meetings, but I do appreciate all you do. And then your staff and I appreciate that you always recognize your staff as well. Yeah. And I just I feel like, you know, I feel like the relationship between the planning and zoning department and the and the board, sometimes it can be, it can be, it can be rough. And I right now I think we're just in a really great place. So I really appreciate that. That makes my life a lot easier. Well, I have a question. I I'd like to just recognize quickly Ali also because I, I missed mentioning her specifically, but I know know she did a lot of the behind the scenes work involved in producing this beautiful document that we have sitting before us. And I just wanted to say good, good work. Thank you. Great effort. I could not have done that for you. So I have a question. Okay. Back so we have and this is a neat, neat, well, well written document. So now we've got this great document. We got this plan and pass the plan back to work year in year one. Pardon me. Is your microphone on? Hopefully not. Go I'll start over. Okay. So this is a very, very nice document and one that the city should be proud of. Easily readable. Makes a lot of sense. And it's going to hopefully guide us. So we've got this great plan and now we get back to work. And we work year in, year out, year in, year out. At what point and by what mechanism is adherence to the plan or progress to the plan evaluated? Don't answer yet, okay. Because these are all great words. Like any good plan, but often because we're human beings, we stray from the plan. We don't pay attention to the plan. Frankly, the plan is inconvenient. Sometimes making sidewalks work. So before we get ahead of ourselves and pat ourselves on the back, we've got this great plan. But what we don't have is a mechanism to make sure that at some point, someone other than the people involved, or maybe that are doing things, review, do it and go was the year of 2026 and all the things that were done, were they really in compliance with the plan? Because sometimes when we get in too tight and again, we have human beings, our board of commissioners, they're are easily swayable. So where and how and could we include it? I know that this is done because I've got one more thing before you answer. Can we include a self audit or a review mechanism that forces the city to stop and take stock of where it did apply the plan and where it didn't? Period. And then I'll ask this how long do we anticipate this plan to be valid for before it's reviewed again? And I ask that because that's where we need to make these metric markers to pull back and go where we evaluate. We can't evaluate it in the year. It's not enough time. Okay. With that? Tell me what you think about that. So there are two high level, review requirements that we that are just mandatory. So the charter has specifies that the comprehensive plan has to be reviewed every three years. That's pretty tight. But I think in the context of now having an absolutely brand new plan. So that's the first review. So it has to be reviewed. And you know, I would I would hope that in doing that review that that's something that would come through in the future through this board before it would go, you know, as part of that, that requirement. The second requirement is every eight years, we're required to do a full evaluation and appraisal report for the state of Florida. So that requires a review. And, identifying what's working, what's not working. And do we need to make any changes. So this actually this update here, which is actually turned into a full blown update is our actually our evaluation and appraisal update, that was required by the state. So did that answer your question. Kind of kind of okay. You know I'm sorry I'm not done yet. Okay. Thank you. I was just going to come just quickly, which she said about the three year, we sit on the Charter Review Committee. I think we bumped that up to five years. I was going to say that. So you guys didn't have a conflict. Okay. You shouldn't be talking. We did recommend that it that it be like, what I had recommended to the to the charter review committee was since we since we have a mandated eight year by the state that to then line that up with a midpoint between year zero and year eight with the charter review, that might apparently that was that was probably a little too hard to put into charter language. So it sounds like maybe the recommendation has been five years. Okay. Yeah Okay. So I'm going to stay with the kind of so that's a review that is not an audit. That's a review is just where well what do we like about the plan. What's outdated and what language doesn't make sense or what mistakes are in here that we need to clean up. That's fine. That's a completely different animal. Well, my concern is let's use Parks and Rec, for example. Let's use the lack of a master plan as a distinct example. Let's use the term call for vague language. So what what mechanism could be in place. So that in charter review time in five years we still don't have a Parks and Rec master plan. We're still deficient within certain elements. I'm only using that as an example. I understand is that where and how? How does adherence to the master to the comprehensive plan come into play? At what point, other than the individual meetings and your efforts to keep us that way? But where does someone go? Well, we did X. Did it meet X in the in the comprehensive plan? Does that make sense? So at a high level though we have a work plan that lays out everything that is supposed to happen after the adoption of the plan. So I don't know if you had a chance to look at this. It was in the agenda back up. But I don't think it's in your book, your binder though, so and I'm we're required to provide a work plan to the state as to. So what this does is it identifies if there's land development code changes, you'll find that parks and recreation master plan. So this work plan lays that out over from from 0 to 10 to a ten year time frame, so this is this is what we need to do. The accountability, I think. Is this a different question of making sure that this happens and that's, you know, that's on that's on the city manager or whoever is a city manager and, and us as the and you know, in this board as well. I mean, I think we don't have anything that mandates what you're talking about other than what's in the charter. So I'm sorry that that gets me pretty far along the way. Thank you very much. Okay. So I do have a comment because I had that same question kind of burning in me last night in the night before. And I did finally see today, the 2004 Comprehensive Work plan. And that's what we spoke about earlier, because you have sections in here, you have owners and timelines, and you have 0 to 18 months, 1 to 3 years, 3 to 5 years, and 6 to 10 years. And based on this, I've gone through every one of them. I would think it would be reasonable to say within six months you come back to us at least, and say, did these change? Are these still on path? Are these still good? And these are what I would hold accountable to this overview at a higher level. Yes My comment. So you know that that that you know, the work plan is part of this. You know, that's so the enforcement of this plan, when you do the overlay is only as good as the P and Z board. The commissioners, city manager, those who have an impact with regard to making changes, whether it's a change of zoning that somebody comes up for so that that it's hard to handcuff the city when some of those decisions come from a board like this. If I if I correct on that. So you can I mean, yeah, I mean it at, at the highest level, this is still a policy document. Correct. It's up and it's, it's so when you do when the staff does its recommendation, when they look at the, they look at the comprehensive plan, and they do an analysis of whether or not when we get our recommendations, whether or not the existing applicant is within or outside of the of the plan, correct? Yeah. We're required to evaluate the so request against the goals, objectives and policies. So the board is actually getting feedback whether or not the applicant is within or outside of the comprehensive plan. Then it would be up the enforcement of that process would be up to this board or future boards to either turn down the applicant because it's outside the scope of the plan, absent any exigent circumstances. But that's the onus falls on us or, or a city board. Well, Renee, I mean, this isn't the charter. So if we have see a problem, can't we address it with the board to fix it, like, absolutely. I mean, and no doubt, you know, until we have applications coming through, you know, some of the things that are distinct policy changes, you know, and until we have to implement them on a given application, you know, the there's always unintended consequences. And so and that's why this is a policy document and not a regulatory document. So you know, we have to be cognizant of that. Could could we in some form. And I'm not sure the appropriate way to do it actually. And I know we can't do it. Somebody it would have to be part of the adoption of the plan. The plan by BoCC and everyone I guess. But could we mandate an annual review, new staff providing, that work plan and where we are in the work plan and how things are going with the work plan, so that once a year we'd have a meeting where you would show us and tell us how we're doing. Yeah absolutely, I'm going to go to the I'm going to see if I can find the plan administration element here, can can while you're doing that, can I add something to this work plan, because I see it's broken down by incremental time against the actual plan itself. So when we see there's one that says from 0 to 18 months, can we develop something that says what we will do in that 0 to 18 months? So we have something to inspect, what we expect. Likewise for the others. If you've got a 1 to 3 year window and there's box that are checked off on these plan, how do we can we develop something that says, here's when you review that and here's what we actually did to actually meet that. Yeah, that's that's exactly how I would intend to use the document okay. Definitely A couple, questions about the community engagement, so I got an email from Connect Tarpon. Actually, I don't think I got the email, but I saw someone posted it and it was for the board of Budget Advisory Connect. Yes No. Yes. And they asked two questions that were, you know, and I guess if that was counted as community engagement for the budget advisory, and it was the question was, what are your priorities? So it wasn't even couldn't even bullet point in the second one was to identify who you were, like, categorize yourself and they even had visitors in there. I don't even know why visitors would be an example for that. But so my was could we with the connect tarpon . And this should work for all boards if we could like have the board's input on a connect Tarpon survey, since we kind of know what you know, the questions that maybe should be asked. And then my second thing was, well, I mean, is that something that we could do? Okay. So let me make sure I understand. So you're asking on connect Tarpon, can we say that one more time? Can you engage with the board? Sometimes it's the budget like that. Can I can I directly engage with the board through Connect Tarpon and maybe use our input to put questions so, so that they actually mean something because we can I can work with you to develop questions right at any given point in time, but why can't and I can post those out for the public to engage in. What I can't do is engage directly with you through connect tarpon. So no, no. Yeah. Okay. I just want to make sure. Yeah. Absolutely Absolutely. That's what. Yeah. But you can't engage us to ask us if we have questions. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I just need to do that in a public setting. The questions to her and the second thing was just on the next community engagement, which I'm glad that you pointed out that a lot of people came because they wanted to know how it was going to affect them personally. Yeah. And I just I kind of want to make a general statement to everybody that a lot of the things in this community will work a lot better if everyone can just not just we all know that you come when something that affects you and we understand that. But if you can just try to think about other people and other people's concerns and help others, even though it doesn't affect you because we that's, you know, how we build a community. And the only people I've seen actually address that is the sustainability committee talking about neighborhood organizations. Not not HOAs, and I've tried to implement that. And it's very hard because everyone's just me, me, me. They come to these meetings and they say, this bothers me. And they walk out. So, if you can just come to these community events, maybe go to a community event that doesn't even affect you and just talk to other people because it's we're not going to fix anything if you just keep worrying about yourself. That's all. So regarding the work plan. So we do have the plan administration element and I've got it keyed up here. And I know you cannot read this, but it is on page 86 in your in your, in your document. We have, plan administration goal three which is comprehensive plan monitoring, evaluation and update. So to ensure implementation and adequacy of the comp plan, comprehensive plan is necessary to establish guidelines for monitoring and evaluation program. And the results of that, shall then be used to adjust the comprehensive plan. So to your point, Mr. Vessey, I think these three objectives, which is the work program, the triennial review, so it shall be responsibility of the Board of Commissioners to conduct a review and update as needed to the comprehensive Plan every three fiscal years as outlined in the charter. The Board of Commissioners may direct the Planning and Zoning Department and the LPA to conduct such studies, data compilation. Yeah. And then then we have the evaluation and appraisal requirement. So, if you want something, you know, more detailed or adjusted in that, that's a little more directive of, you know, that's perfectly this would be the place to add it, first I want to say thank you. I, I didn't make it to that page, and I didn't see the backup information for the work plan. Okay. And it is not it's not in the book. It's not. So it was online. I apologize, I should have provided all that to you, but I don't think it was in the. Yeah well, since I brought it up at this moment, I don't have any suggestions for that. But if I were to, I'll leave it on my handy dandy turn in sheet. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you very much. I think, the only thing that I would say, and I don't know if anybody else feels the same way, but I would, I would like to see an annual update or something and a report that. Yeah, that just kind of tells us how we're doing in, in complying and, and meeting the, the timeline. Fine. Why don't we do this, I'll just commit that. We'll wordsmith, PA 3.1, which is work program. And we can add a sentence in there that says that the planning and Zoning department shall provide an annual update to the Planning and Zoning Board on monitor bring, you know, implementation. We'll find something to add to that particular policy. Should it be, since we're kind of, wordsmithing, is it the responsibility of your department to do that, or would it be the responsibility of our city manager because it's a more all inclusive of all the work? I would I think it should be the responsibility of the planning department. You know, we live and breathe this stuff. Yeah, but we would gather those different projects from the departments, all the departments would give us input. Where are you? We could just unanimously say the city shall and just leave it open right. I did want to add to your already heavy workload. I was trying to. Okay, so I like the chair's suggestion that an annual review seems appropriate. I'd like to modify it if I could, I would like to ask if it's possible that since we've got a work plan that can we look at these time lines and maybe allow time in our respective agendas and the planning and zoning to get an update, and we can look at each section. We can say, hey, this section will do in the month, but we at least start to look at this and the timeline and actually have it as a part of our agenda when we have maybe we have things that we have to review that are coming in, but let's set our agenda where we have some time to get some update on what we've accomplished. The city has accomplished with some of these tasks and set it up as a an item , as a reoccurring agenda item. Well, you know, there's a lot of obviously there's a lot of elements to the work plan. I'm just saying that rather than annually, you're letting time go one year before you're actually looking and inspecting what you expect. And I'm just saying that the planning committee, the planning people can actually look and say, you know what, we will take this item here and we'll start to establish as part of our agenda, an update on the progress of what we've accomplished with, say, task T 1.1.1. And we can look at a section per month. You know, we can we can we can set up something. You know it, you know, quarterly something. I mean, for all intents and purposes, that work plan is going to guide the planning department's work plan for the next several years, you know, and to a large degree, you're going to be involved in a lot of these these things like land development code update. So you're going to be getting them one way or another, but we'll we'll commit to trying to keep you in the loop on where we are and developing on that work plan. Yeah, I look at that and see it as a business plan. It's a work plan, but it's a business plan. So here's a plan that says this is what our goals and objectives are. So how do we how do we get progress on those and do it in certain frequency? I don't think it's annual, I think unless it's an annual. But I think it should be less than an annual. It should be throughout our our whole year. We're actually I like Mr. Zambello's idea and if I may. It's not staff with the planning department to drive and create a sense of urgency for doing the good work of the city. It's our responsibility. True. And we hold the keys to drive that sense of urgency because despite their best efforts, this board and other boards can derail their best efforts easily by straying off topic. So I really like the chair's idea. And then the suggestions you've made. Because if you look at these timelines, there's 0 to 18 months and 1 to 3 years. So one year just doesn't give it the required up front notice. Right? Right. I yeah I mean I, I did my best to put that timeline together in a realistic manner. I know that some things I mean, it's hard to get anything done within one year, especially when you're talking about code amendments. So some things we can probably get done. Short time frame. Other things are just going to be longer. So what , today the Charter Revision Committee meeting Commissioner Koulianos actually mentioned something about, not some kind of not checks and balances, but that there's some disparity between sometimes our, our votes and theirs. And how can we how can we fix that or address it. And, I was there later. I don't know, this isn't something for this, but as far as there maybe being a disparity between those votes, if we can have some type of, policy amendment to where it be, like if there's a certain vote here where it's like seven and zero, then somebody or if it's not seven and zero, then a commissioner might be able to say, well, we're not going to review it. And that might push it. So that way it'll because we can work together more to get something done. And then it puts it on them more because then an applicant, you know, because it'll encourage them to basically listen more if there's some authority but has to be together, like working together, not because it's not really something that we can change. And I don't want us to have more authority. I think that keeps getting confused between boards, but it needs to be, I think, us that helps you guys do that. So yeah, I mean, I listened to that portion of the charter Review Committee and so I, you know, I have some ideas, that we'll talk more about it in the right venue, the best audit of. All right. If it's if, if the Planning and zoning and the board of commissioners are consistent, that means it's working. And if they're not, that's that's when the a good point. I mean yeah we would be we do want to talk to you about that. Yeah But I think that would call for an audit if things are going the way the way they should. And if they're not, then there needs someone to look at it. Well, I think just a simple update and annual was purely arbitrary. But but updates as, as things go along because appropriate periodic updates until this recent experience and it's nobody's fault but our own. But until this recent experience going through the, reworking the comp plan, none of us really had very much to do with the comp plan. I don't think, you know, we took your recommendations related to it, but, you know, I don't I don't think I fully understood it until we participated. That was the most involved it's ever been. I think we understood. I mean, I think this could be very. We understood as much as we could, but I think we did probably more than any other. I think 13 was I think it was supposed to be two. So no, we did a really good job based on our minimal understanding. We're supposed to be two. We met 13 times. I understood every every minute. Now that I was given the opportunity to save you the handy dandy worksheet, I would make this specific suggestion. Just a suggestion if someone wanted a second. PA 3.2 Triennial. Triennial review, it shall be the responsibility of the Board of Commissioners Bok to conduct a review and update as needed, the comprehensive plan every three fiscal years, as outlined in the city Charter. The Board of Commissioners may direct the P and Z Department planning and Zoning Department. I would suggest the Board of Commissioners shall direct that the Planning and Zoning Department and the LPA, which is US conduct a study. Such studies, data compilation and evaluation of the. I could use a really the efficacy but we'll just say the effectiveness of implementation of the plan. I got a little bit wordy there, but within PA 3.23 years out, the Board of Commissioners should instruct, not just maybe they do, maybe they don't. There's no teeth in that so that they shall instruct the PA Department to assist the LPA in doing an actual review of the effectiveness of the implementation of the comprehensive plan, not to be confused with or associated with, I'll follow down in PA three, which is plan adjustments. The review of effectiveness is not a plan adjustment. That is, that is maintenance or a tune up. It's are we really doing what we said we were going to do with all this wonderful work in this document? And with that, I won't comment anymore. Well, we've got your language. I think it might be better as a separate policy of its own under here too. I like that, yeah. I think rather than trying to change one of these because the triennial Triennial review really is about the charter, the evaluation appraisal report really is about the state, and then the work program is what we put together. So I think it needs to be something along with the work program and, and then something to, you know, evaluating effectiveness. And we've got your language. We'll, we'll get it in there. And I don't want to speak for the board, but listen to the chair and Mister Zambellas, I think maybe that kind of and if anybody wants to adjust or say no, I'm going too hard on that. The only thing that I don't know how it would would be, let's say this is adopted in its current language, you know, I would let's say I anticipate that that the charter revision would change it from 3 to 5 years. So we'll just have to do a plan amendment to fix that. That's not that big a deal. Anything would be appreciated. You got it. It sounds like there's a consensus of the board to make that that adjustment. So we'll we'll have that prepared. Any other questions or comments for staff? All right. Given that we'll close the P and Z board discussion and we'll open comments for members of the appointed boards, just to keep it in order, do we have members of the Board of Adjustment here that would like to comment? State your name and address, please, and make your comment. Good evening, Joanne Rich. 1013 Teal Point, Tarpon Springs. Vice chair, the Board of Adjustments, first off, shout out to the team and our rock star Ali for her work on this. She's been great with the Board of Adjustments, keeping us always abreast of anything that we need to know. And, thank you for finding her. And thank you for all that. Your 13 extra meetings on this, as we know, all those meetings are important. And I, I did have a few comments. One, I was one of the ones who asked for a paper copy prior to this meeting and received a notebook. And the notebooks are excellent. I would really recommend all of the members of our different advisory committees and boards volunteer for the city. Get them. Whether it's in this draft stage or at the final stage. But I'll go even further. I think, you know the library and the rec center and the golf course. And to go along with the community input, you know, it's such a good notebook and those maps are very enticing. And I think people will look at it, as long as there's a cover sheet that has Rene's phone number. If people don't understand something, you know that they can call Rene for further information. But I just, you know, I remember back before we had the connect Tarpon and, you know, we're still moving forward with that. It's still fairly new. It's a great, addition that the city did. And the more that, you know, people say, oh, papers cost, but people still are hungry for paper copies and are much more willing to look at that detailed paper notebook than they are a 50 page email, so that's one comment on the second question. And I'm assuming that the changes in this document don't affect kind of, as you were saying, it's not a policy piece, I'm assuming, for our Board of Adjustment, it wouldn't change any of our current criteria. Am I correct in that understanding at the moment? At the moment, it would not, generally speaking though, any any site plan or, you know, single family home, whatever, any development order technically has to comply with the Land Development Code and the comprehensive plan. So but it will impact in the future code amendments that will impact your board, that will have to be applied when a particular variance or appeal or whatever is taking place. Okay. And so I would just ask if, if at that time those things happen as we move forward, that we just make sure to alert the members because a lot of times, you know, our attorney present and others say, oh, well, you know, your criteria remains the same, your criteria remains the same. But for these quasi judicial hearings, it would be great as far as advance prior to the meetings to have that information if there's going to be change, this third thing you had mentioned about the Stofer plant and I it's my understand that 2025 is another year of for the federal government to relook at that issue, whether it comes off the list or not. And with this being a three year, eight year plan, how does that affect if that comes off the red zone and there are special federal guidelines if they turn it over to the city now to say how is it's a large piece of property and just question about that. So right now, the site was cleaned up and then there is a, an approved, set of restrictive covenants that guide what can happen on that site, so that's why in that on that map, we just showed it as restricted. It's there still and it's actually still in unincorporated Pinellas County, but for purposes of annexation or whatever, you know, we would be looking toward, you know, what's allowed with those restrictive, restrictive covenants. So because they're going to they're going to Trump at least, at a high level, you know, they don't trump our zoning. You know, if we're if we're even more restrictive, then that's going to that would apply, so we'll just have to stay in the loop and, you know, monitor if those restrictive covenants change, our economic development managers kind of plugged in with the property owner, at at least at the moment, but those are recorded restrictive covenants. So if that changes, we hopefully we'll know about it. Well, at least the last time I read the restrict, I think it's 2025 is the next okay review. I'll have to follow up. I don't I don't 100% know the answer to that question, because 2025 is right around the corner and then finally, we had always been told I was surprised when you said the land use was sufficient for the population growth because whether it was the mayor or some of council people, we had always heard that Tarpon was kind of at capacity at build. And so, you know, that I think for a public piece, when I see that in your report and if other officials are kind of saying different, I just I think it would be good to explain that a little more or differently or something, because, you know, again, I don't we all see what's happening on Klosterman within Eastbrook, and that's a visual like daily for Tarpon people looking at that. And I think that's where they're going to go to when they read that line. That's just end of my comments. Thank you. And again, thanks to Ali for always being our board of Adjustment rock star. Thank you. Thank you so much for including us. Thanks for your comments, is there anyone else from Board of Adjustment? All right. Seeing none, we will move to the Heritage Preservation Board. Any heritage preservation board members want to speak? Seeing none, just any members of the Code enforcement Board that would like to speak. Come Approach. All right. Any members of the Budget Advisory Committee that would like to speak? Okay. Any members of the library board that would like to speak, any members of the Parks and Recreation Board that would like to speak? No. Okay Sorry. She's waving you. Code enforcement and , state your name and address, please. Juliana Day 413 East Oakland Street. Here in the beautiful city of Tarpon Springs . I'm new to the Parks and Rec board. Hi everybody. I know I look strange up here, like, who is she? I'm here. Okay I did attend the Citizen Academy and I'm working in the city now, I'm on the, Parks and Rec board and the things I had. Kudos to you all who put this book together. I'm glad I got it in time. I took it on vacation looking at reading and everything, but my thing is the master plan for the, parks and Recreation center. I like the idea you're saying about the time frame that gives each one of these departments accessible time to work on their part in this master plan, and with the parks and Recreation, I think there's a lot need to be worked on, so that being said, I have one more thing to comment on. Where did I write that down? Oops. No. I wanted to know about in parks and Recreation, the green space. Say that again. I'm sorry. Open space elements. The space, how when we talk about open space, are we talking about the, area around the park or in the park, open space is a broad term. It can. It can be, it's the it'd be the park itself, it could just be land set aside for conservation that maybe there's not a park facility there. It's just managed, you know, uplands or habitat or something of that nature. So it's a kind of a broad term. Okay okay. Okay. That answered that question. Now, Renee, the part of the master plan, how do me as being new a newbie to this, to the advisory board go about looking at the old plan and trying to, see what's in the old plan to see what we need to add for the new plan coming up with what's being done now. So the development of a new plan will take place. You know, it will probably planning will be involved, but public services and parks, they will be involved as well as as the, as your board. So that you know how we get the plan implemented. And that's the or developed is the is the next step. So I don't have a short succinct answer for that. We you know, we may need we might need maybe some consultant services to help with certain aspects of it, or we might just be able to work with the board and the, you know, and staff and, and develop it in-house. So I think, you know, city has a pretty good idea of what it needs. But some of the things that we need, we need information on and maybe probably more public engagement about, you know, what are the, you know, what are the what are the things that especially from a facilities level, you know, you know, we have a lot we hear a lot about we want pickleball, we want this, you know, our level of services, standards. You still have shuffleboard courts and things like that. So all that stuff really needs to be looked at, you know, you know, and, and, communicated to the public and get input back. So the master planning process itself will be, you know, how we will that that's how we will develop that plan. Did that make sense. It it makes sense okay. Thank you. Because when I was looking at the map living in Tarpon Springs, I didn't know we had 15 units of Parks and recreation. Miss parks, miss Julie. Julianne, a question, are you asking, like, would you like to see what it looked like before it looked like this? Yes. Okay. And I understand because when we go through the comp plan, there's like a so we what you're saying is like the clean version you're seeing that. And I understand too because I don't I like to see what it looked like before because I don't know what it's supposed to look like. Right. I want to see what the roadmap was before. So there's like a strike through. And that's what we went through. And they're in old plans. I want to ask that question too. I know it's time because we have a new agenda, right? Portal. If those can be are we like uploaded? I understand what you're saying because you want to see what it looked like before. We do have all the strikethrough underlines of the previous recreation open space element that this is, if you were asking about the an existing or an old parks and Recreation master plan, I'll have to refer you back to your staff support for Parks and Rec, which I believe is Jamie. Is Jamie. Jamie? Yes. Is it Tom? Well, Tom's a department head. Jamie's okay. They have all those things are available. That gentleman right back there. Yeah Tommy Geiger. Okay. Because like you say, I want to see what was in place before. So we can move forward. So we're not duplicating, working on something that didn't, like you were saying did not work. Right. Well, there the first step probably almost would would be the committee trying to work, with the BoCC and the staff to put forward a funding request for the, the funds to develop the master plan. And I, I think it's likely it would involve a consultant, probably. I used to be in the business of doing these 20 years ago, so, I mean, it's, it's usually something that a consultant assists with, and plus just the staff having time to do it. So it, it takes some, some money and, and somebody with some expertise and I don't I've not ever seen an existing park system master plan so I'm not sure there is one. But thank thank you for promoting that because it's been a drum I've been beating for a long time, and I have actually a recommendation for that, Leadership Pinellas. We went to a middle school that's actually partnered with the YMCA, and really like that idea. But for the s, I watched an old, meeting, candidate forum meeting where they asked, how can we partner with SPCA and utilize them more, SPCA or not SPCA I'm sorry, I keep saying SBA, SPCA, the college and USF, right? SBC is right. It's Tarpon, right? Even though it's outside, it's Tarpon Springs. It's our college. It's our college. It's our. So we've been wanting a pool for a very long time. And a partnership with them would be I think really beneficial. And the way that the YMCA did it was through. I think it was the gills and other sponsors. They're actually in town. That's the Saint Luke. So they're sponsorships that can happen like that, that we should benefit and that would be in Tarpon Springs. And we've been wanting a pool for a very long time. We're getting pickleball courts that are $400,000, and we turn down a pool that was 300 and had to pay half of that. And this would be a pool. It could be Olympic sized, it could be at SBC. So you know, there's another that's in here is Ross 1.28. And I think that that would be, that's another grant seeking thing. But that could be more than just a pool. It could be a whole fitness center, and that's Tarpon Springs. So that's something that I don't know when you guys have meetings. I've never seen them before, so. But that should come up again because the community wants a pool, right? And we deserve one for our kids. And no one's fighting for that. So it's it keeps being it's in all of our plans and no one's doing it. So just to give you something to go off of. Thank you. I will. Thank you, thank you, thank you for comments. I have a question. The sport complex is that in our master plan. As far as what's going to be, what's going to happen to that and when is it going to happen? It's something that needs to be evaluated. I really can't speak to any more detail than that, to be honest with you. Well, let me let me add the old dump site because the old dump site, yes, there was a presentation done years ago about turning that into a sports complex. The problem is, and until until it gets a clearance because it was a dump site, there's still some time and I think city manager knows the time frame that has to clear whether methane or whatever gases that are coming out of there, because it was a dump site that was a long range, you know, the, the dream of, of the city manager was to make that a sports complex. Yes. And that's the ideal spot for a sports complex. The only problem is a funding and a location is there. But obviously time for the mitigation of that property to occur. Would that it is tricky. I did 130 some years ago on a dump and the gases coming out of the ground ate the irrigation system literally. So, so yeah, it needs to be stable to meet the environmental clearance. But that's, that's I mean, I, I hear you and I can, I can accept that. But whoever came up with the that they wanted it to be a sports complex, they must have done some type of study or something, I believe I forgive me for interrupting that there was there are some preliminary work that was done many years ago on it, I think Mr. Diakos, he left. Do I have that right? He he referred to a paid for. He referred to it as fairly elaborate and detailed sport complex plan that just died on the vine. Well, and if I may expand as we listen to the nice lady presenting and that and SPC in a pool. What is I find interesting. This comes right back to a topic that we've already covered, which is we have a plan. It's delineated in the plan. It's still going to the implementation of it. And having those checks that were actually doing what we say, and I don't know how we could build more teeth into the Parks and Rec plan, but for whatever reason, what we've heard and seen for the last decade, it's always the last kid to get fed, right? Everything else comes in front of it, and I don't know what the answer is to that, but it would be nice that maybe it could. Yeah. Having the availability of large acreage in green space for that green space in Tarpon Springs might be difficult to find one. So you have to utilize or reuse repurpose some of the property that you have, and I think, you know, that's why the, the dump site was a viable use of a property that you wouldn't build a home on and to the, to the point just to kind of bring this kind of back a little bit. That's why we have we have a statement in the comp plan, a policy that says we need to develop a Parks and Recreation master plan, and that's the appropriate time to have all of this discussion about what needs to be in that plan and how it gets implemented. Well, so but but also the comment as well, that, that we've not you know, we've discussed ad infinitum is, you know, the issue with annexation and, and you know, having, you know, looking at where we're at, properties have been annexed, large tracts of annexed land where the developer did not provide adequate park or green space. And that's somewhat out of our regardless of what our goals are to that degree, it's it may be out of our control, and so, you know, I, I don't know, there's no answer for me. I just, you know, I think, I think the best that that you can do as a board, you know, and you've expressed this and you've, you've all been very vocal about, you know, we need to get that Parks and Recreation master plan done and it needs the appropriate public involvement. But, you know, at the end of the day, though, it's, you know, it's still it's always about, you know, how do you how do you fund it? How do you or even just getting past the master plan, how do you fund the implementation of that master plan and what takes the priority? And I you know, I can't speak to that. I mean, that's I think that's something that needs to come out of a public involvement process in and of itself. And there is a significant amount of federal money out there for that stuff. That's another piece of it. I know small towns the size of Tarpon that have that have gotten 20 or $30 million recreation complexes using largely federal money. Right? So does does the verbiage, because you know it better than I do. Is it ironclad that the city shall be required to execute and produce a Parks and Recreation master plan within a specific timeline? Or is it still at the whim of the BOC? This has been it before. I guess that's why it has. It has been. And that's the thing I mean, I you know, I can you can put it in there with a specific time frame, but at the end of the day, you know, if it doesn't happen at a specific time frame, I don't know where that leaves you. You need to be careful about. So then can we provide a trigger that it denies something else so that B can't move forward if A isn't done? But can't we assign at least give it to the board so they can. They can I guess attempt one or. Well, I mean so okay so moving this forward I you know all this discussion, you know, all this will come back to the Board of commissioners. You've certainly made it very, very clear that it is a priority of this board to see a Parks and Recreation master plan happen and get funded. I can't direct that to happen. That's got to come from the board of commissioners. So they came under your plan for the you have it right here, right? That says fund and prepare a parks recreation master plan 1 to 3 years implementation time that I've done my best. So the question I also have is it does say evaluate and consider building a public aquatic facility 6 to 10 years. I don't know how you determine these time frames, but I want to go back to evaluate increase, increase access or city use owned right of way access to points of waterfronts such as parks. If we can discuss that one for a minute. Craig Park, how do you ever expect people to access that right away to water front at Craig Park? When people that live there can't even park in front of their own house or get out of their alleys, yes, that's going on forever. I mean, so the intent, the intent of those policies protecting if there's a platted right of way, no matter how small or insignificant, that could potentially provide public access to the water. And that might mean standing in it and viewing it, then that has been very sacrosanct through the years of you will not vacate those. Yeah Okay, so it that. Yes. Thank you. I think that's a good point. Those but again getting back to the plan, it does. So the 6 to 10 of the so the plan needs to be done and evaluated rating. The efficacy of having a pool would be part of the plan. I think it's, you know, a large ask of the city to say that's why I you know, in the work plan, I pushed that out for actual implementation of a pool. If it gets into the plan and gets through everything. So, I mean, I just don't think you can do that in, you know, 18 months or a couple of years. I just think there's a lot more that first we've got to get the plan done and then we can address if that's part of that plan, how do we move forward then? How do we get in reality with a pool, if that's what comes out of it? How do we get it done right? Look at the pool separate. Say first we got to get it done. What does it take? What? The plan. Yeah. The math. Yeah. The recreation master. I'm going to work with that gentleman sitting right back there to figure out how we're going to get. Yes. So I think the concern is that this has been in there for years and I understand. And then. No, and it's not you, it's just that it's who comes and talks. Okay. And the mayor said it's the squeaky wheel, right? I mean, yeah, they were the city is going to respond to the people that complain the most. And unfortunately, kids and parents don't come to these meetings. And that's what we have to represent them. But guess who does come? People that want pickleball courts and that happened in two years. Okay. They came in droves to got it just like that. And yet look at this. And we've wanted this for years. We've wanted a pool for years. I swam when I was a child, since I was 6 to 12 years old. Okay. And I probably, maybe would have been better if we'd had a pool in this town. But I had to go to Eastlake because I didn't have a pool in my house. Okay. And we don't have a pool in this community, and we could have bought one and we only had to pay half of it. 150 in the Pinellas County backed out and that was it. But 400,000 for pickleball courts. Done And we're getting private courts in the community. Courts are not even being used. I know that in the rec center. And you go by all these courts, people aren't playing pickleball. They play maybe a couple months, okay. And we're we're painting lines for them. We're doing this and we're not doing anything for our children because they're kids and their parents and you know what? They don't vote so and so. And we want to promote families and no one's sticking up for them. So this should be priority over pickleball. I know Nick agrees. No, no, I'm actually I agree because I'm an active tennis player and I'm playing on courts that are actually many years old, and they reflect that they're many years old. And I've seen mayors who have put it on there agenda to promote it during the campaign that we're going to resurface and build new tennis courts. And I see enough done. And then pickleball does come and no pool. And the reason why I say this is because I think we're trying to attract people to come to Tarpon Springs and live here and raise a family. And if we don't have adequate up to date recreational facilities, they won't come now campaign comes around and people want pickleball courts, pickleball courts are good because what happens is you get people coming from out of town and they get together and they do pickleball, and then they go down to the dock, so they'll go and drink and eat. They want them so they can drive their golf cart, because they can't drive their golf cart to Palm Harbor. That's why. That is why. And but they'll have our children drive their cars as teenagers to a pool 30 minutes away. And when some are coming, I mean, we are the hottest couple swim. So. So at the end of the day, develop a parks and recreation. Yeah, this is all a partial recreation plan and figure out how it's going to get funded so that do that first and then we'll worry about yes. All right. Do we have other members of the public from Parks and Recreation Board to speak? No. Public art committee like to speak? No, sustainability advisory committee. Like to speak. State your name and address, please. Hi, I'm Denise Menino for 70 Cypress Street, Tarpon Springs, and I'm chairing the sustainability committee for now. And I have just been delighted since we first started seeing the draft plan for the comprehensive plan that there is not just a single sustainability crosswalk, but it seems to be a lot of crosswalks. Between the sustainability plan that was completed and, and, adopted last year and the comprehensive plan, which is about to be completed and adopted, and I was just excited, impressed that so many pillars of our plan were really knit, closely knit into the comprehensive plan, because the main pillars of sustainability are people, planet and profitability. So I love the title Tarpon tomorrow because that really speaks to sustainability, because we won't have a tarpon tomorrow unless we look at, being responsible for the city that we have right now. And, the pillars of our plan were natural environment, climate and energy, built environment, local economy, equity and community and health and safety. And those were all very, beautifully written into this comprehensive plan. So I think that the timing couldn't have been better for all of these things to come together. And I've said it before, the strategic plan, the comprehensive plan, the sustainability plan were all part of a greater plan. And now I think that to a lot of the comments that I've heard, implementation is everything. So I think that we've got to get the community involved and they hopefully will hold all of our feet to the fire for implementing the things that will keep their their home, their city, their community vibe different years into the future because we have a treasure in this city. It's a it's complex. The complex city of the cultures, the complexity of the historical heritage. I mean, everything about it the beauty, the natural beauty. It's just it's something that we can't let slide. And, so I hope that they do get involved and hold our feet to the fire because I think that that is part of that. They are the most important part. So I'm, I'm really hoping that amongst all of our committees, we can try to discuss ways that we can get our community more engaged because they're, you know, we're trying to shift consciousness, that we're part of a collaboration that's not just elected officials. It's not just people who volunteered for boards, but it's every single person in this city that has a valuable opinion and has a purpose to serve in making the community greater. And I think that that's why we're here. But I hope that they all start to come. So thank you so much. I have nothing but praise for what has been accomplished. I know it was a monumental task, just from what we went through with a much smaller plan. I know that it was a monumental task and I think, it was very well done. I do have a question when we looked at one of the overlays that we had was the canopy, and, you know, we talked about and, you know, that's kind of more your, I guess, your committee than, than ours. But but, but, you know, how do we increase the canopy. Well, that is and that's in already in progress. And and we're hoping to meet with Shannon Brewer again in the near future because I think that there's a definite plan for increasing it and a plan to prevent random cutting of trees. And that's something that is up for discussion with us because we we're all trying to understand. And the sustainability Committee, the right of way that Duke Energy has implemented in removing a lot of large trees from Clearwater and they had right in our, our neighborhood removed a couple of really large trees. Hopefully they will be replaced. But these were old growth, you know. So we're trying to wrap our minds around that. But the whole the purpose of the urban canopy is to reduce the urban heat island effect. And the more that streets are covered. I mean, I think that you even, you know, if you've gone out on the trail and you've been riding on the trail, it's lovely on a super hot day as long as you're under the trees. But I you know, I recently contacted Pinellas County because there was an area that you come out from under the trees as you're coming into Palm Harbor, and it's just open. You're in a completely exposed area, and immediately it makes riding a bike almost impossible in the summertime, unless you're doing it in the early morning, in the evening. So hopefully even within Pinellas. And they came out with their sustainability plan last year too, right before ours was launched. Hopefully we're all going to be more connected with this purpose. Yes. And stay focused on how to make it, how to how to make the city more, more sustainable and beautiful and perfect for all of our children and our grandchildren. I have a couple of comments. I watched your sustainability most recently, and I had a few suggestions as far as how to get your message out there, and I was wondering if you've ever considered First Fridays or Second Saturdays having a booth, and I think that would be excellent. I also think that you had mentioned how we get to the community and neighbors not via hoa's, but neighborhoods. Do you know that I can't recall what position he is, but Officer Boone, he does have neighborhood watches, so you could maybe get with him and attend some of his neighborhood watches to get your message out there also. And lastly, my big concern is when I watch sustainability, obviously I'm of the generation that thinks it's trees. It's April 30th, right? And I'm moving on from that, I must admit. But how do you really get equity in community? That's my big concern right now. Besides all the trees and everything else, it's that portion of sustainability to me that's very important. Equity Yeah. And community. I think the more that we know one another, the more that we understand that that your needs are my needs as well, and that the weakest link is the one that we have to preserve, the one that we have to lift up. I just don't see that there's any, you know, there's any way around that. We have to get to know one another. Just getting to know one another helps us bear, you know, the interest of every individual as our own. Do something out there. Well, and I think I want to comment on that, that individually all the time. And I think it is the sustainability committee. I agree the same when it was created, I thought it was just for to, you know, green space and electric cars. But I watched all your meetings and Tommy does a great job and they're very entertaining for me . But because a lot of the people on that really don't have an agenda, and some of it is about green space, but there's a lot of ideas, there's a lot of free, you know, a lot of talk freely. And they community. It actually is the that's the biggest thing that we know. Other board addresses that, the community page on tarpon that does not create community. It just everyone going online talking about what to do. Just that's not the way to do it. It's to get together. Our boards don't even meet and our boards should meet. This is the most that we ever get to meet. And I watch your meetings. I watch public art and there's a disconnect between all of those. And nobody is promoting that. You're the only people that promote community separate. And I've tried on my own to do that. And sustainability is about much more than just the green space. It's about sustaining the tourism and all of those things. And you guys can get grant money, I'm pretty sure. So you know, sustaining it for flooding things like that and, and just getting people together and as to my point, caring about somebody else other than yourselves. And you're the only board that does that. And it moved from 2 to 6. So there's more people that can join the board now. I think too as well, if you need any more members, people don't know if they can join. So they can start watching this meeting. That's a good there's a lot of there's a lot in. The mayor said that during the when he did, you did your presentation that it's more than just, you know, high electric cars and recycling because there's only so much we can do in a small city for that. That's part of it. But it's beyond that. Yeah, it's definitely raising our level of awareness of how every little thing matters. It's, you know, I'm sure you've heard of the Butterfly effect. And I mean, every little choice matters. So much because of the trajectory of every small choice. So I think that that's something that , you know, raising the awareness amongst all of our citizens is vital. And I love the idea of getting out on First Friday. I mean, we've we've been trying to figure out how do we do things without violating sunshine laws. Oh, I understand that. No, I mean, that's the that's the big hurdle. But we definitely are are looking at every opportunity to interface. We hopefully when we have, when we get another coordinator on board, this coordinator will be able to, represent at beach cleanups and First Friday occasionally. You know, I don't know how that will work, but I think that it's a great idea. I think even even if I started writing, you know, a few just articles, blogs would, would be helpful again. You know, you could also and I'm not sure if you'd want to, but, you know, our utility statements, a little blurb about that. We did that a long time ago, do you know, and it was a list of all of the really spectacular aspects of Tarpon Springs. And then and it introduced that we are the sustainability committee. So yeah, I've that's my vote. I mean I've everybody gets their utility bill. And that would be a good way to reach every single person as long as they didn't just instantly recycle it. Yeah I know sure. And hopefully hopefully recycle it. Oh I did have one question. If you watch the last meeting we talked, Tommy did a wonderful presentation on the vulnerability assessment and action plan. I'm just wondering how that played into, the comprehensive plan, looking at a lot of the statistics of, the vulnerability and the assets of our city that are priority. So when that plan is completed, finally completed and adopted, we it's definitely cross referenced as a reference document for the comprehensive plan. So it is a document that we will be able to go to when at appropriate times. And and pull from, you know, moving forward as we need to. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Comments before we open general public comments, is there any other members of, city boards or commissions that want to comment ? Seeing none, are there members of the general public that would like to comment? If so, approach the microphone and state your name and address. Good evening. Katie Taylor 1991 Douglas Lane, Tarpon Springs I want to thank Carolyn for the book, but we have some things I'd like to set appointment with you to meet, because there's some things that has not been updated in this book, one of the things probably two things, but one of the things that you've been talking about was, Dorset Park. Right now we have a, we have a group of a group of us that we call ourselves the Union Academy, neighborhood revitalization Committee. And we focus in on Dorset Park, and we're focusing on the Union Academy neighborhood. I'm going to the back to county commissioners meeting tomorrow to ask them to open up the trail, the Pinellas Trail at Lime Street and Safford Avenue. That street is the only one that connects to, alternate 19 to new 19. Otherwise you have to go all the way to Martin Luther King or you have to go to Tarpon Avenue. I'm going to ask if they will open that trail. I'm finding that when I come to the commissioners meetings, if I don't, I'm not I'm not as young as I used to be. I don't write stuff down. It it takes six months. And you have to remember that nothing has been done. Nothing has been even talked about. I'm not getting communication as to some things like, that would be one of them that I had to ask about. Another one would be a street here in Tarpon Springs, but one that kind of is stuck in my heart is Dorset Park. Every afternoon those kids get out of school on at the Fundamental School. All of them go to Dorset Park. They not all of them, but the majority of them. Their families will go there and wait on them. I've seen parents sitting over there waiting on their kids to get out of school, because that's a meeting point. I've asked, six months, maybe almost a year now about a splash pad, a splash park, because you can't get a pool or ask about a I ask about a pool to go on Dorset Park. They said we can't put a pool up there for various reasons. Okay, well, let's give us a splash pad somewhere for the kids to go play in the summertime to get wet. So if you can't get a pool, can y'all help us get a splash pad? Something for those kids. When you go to different parks, there's a nice one right down in Highland and Dunedin. A nice splash pad with the kids. Got the water buckets dumping on them. They go out there and it's closed in. It's gated. So if y'all can't get a pool, can you make sure that master plan has something for Dorset Park? A water feature for our kids, for all the community kids, not just Dorset, not just Union Academy kids. So I'm not sure what if y'all can do anything about it, but I hear y'all talking about a master plan. So if that master plan can help us support getting the splash pad up there, please help us because a pool is going to be way off course. I'm. I can't see a pool ever getting there. We'll take. Not in my lifetime, also, the splash pad, I mean, I mean, the sports complex. I came to a commissioners meeting one night, and this place was full of kids from Tarpon High, and the coaches were here. They gave all these kids proclamations and awards, and the coach said it would be nice to have a sports complex. And here we are saying, still no sports complex. It the community has spoken, people have come, but people will stop coming. If nothing is being done, it become redundant. They get tired. So I would like to ask that y'all put efforts in to moving forward because they told us it was a budgetary thing. They also said it was the toxic waste under the land. They can't put it there. So that's why I'm shooting for, a splash pad. But the, in the evenings, the park lights go off at a certain time. Kids can't play basketball, but if you had a complex rain or shine, sleet or hell, the kids can go inside and play basketball. They have a safe zone to go inside of a building and continue their sports. So if that could be a big help, that would be a big help. The main thing, Carolyn, if I'd like to meet with you about, Rose Cemetery right now, I'm the current president of Rose Cemetery. And I noticed in the book it's very important that this verbiage is changed from private cemetery. It's not a private cemetery. It's a public nonprofit, charitable cemetery. It's extremely important because that affect our funding for city funds to help that cemetery. It's the historical black cemetery. Been here since the early 1800s. Some of these things in the books and the earliest burial was 1950. No. It was in the 1800s. So again, I would like to kind of schedule a meeting with you to go over the verbiage for that whole caption of that cemetery, because some things are seriously missing. So that's about it. But my main thing is we want splash pad, I want the splash pad for the kids and the gentleman that's. I can't think of his name now, but he's over the finance department. They told us we're going to try. We're working on a budgetary plan for New Year budget for Dorsett Park. He says, Miss Taylor, we're going to get the splash pad in there. So to me, your word is your bond. You don't have to have money if your word is good. So, so that's what me, I would like to see us make an effort to get some a splash pad in Dorsett Park for our for the kids. Thank you, thank you. Thanks for your comments. Hi, I'm Maggie Miles. Where do I live? Oh 433 East Boyer Street. Tarpon Springs, I'm concerned about the distant Belcher extension in the master plan. I know it ruffled some people feathers, but I'm still talk about it. It is long overdue. I've been talking about it, and I want to hear it. Some people like it, some people don't. But you had 40 lots that sold off of mango. I think they call it now. 40 lots sold back there. So you open up mirrors and nobody really asked us in Union Academy. But you open up mirrors. I'm grateful for it. But we need to open up the Belcher. Distant. It's long overdue. I've heard you know Pasco will come we it's you know who cares who comes through. Only people that care that stuck in us 19 when there was an accident and they tried to reroute you to alternate 19 that's not able to handle all the traffic you need. Another north south corridor. So I'm not sure if it's in the comprehensive plan, but if it's not, it needs to be in there as long as you're talking about a sports complex one day, where are those people going to go? They have nowhere to go. Get to Saint Pete College. If we get the pool there, do it. That we could. You just drive through there? Right there, it needs to be open. Fired You know, I was here at the fire department. They said their response time. Somebody coming from Clearwater, you see, all the traffic with, you know, that's going to go on forever. I'll probably be retired by then. But anyway, I come down Belcher. I live right in Union Academy. I can't come through. I gotta turn off, get on US 19 and wait another 15 minutes. Just to get on Martin Luther King to come home. When I could have been home like 15 minutes ago. So for a person that travels us 19 often, I just think, you know, you could get on there and you can take it all the way to Saint Pete. You don't never have to get on 19. So that's my spill. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Can I say one comment to her? Me? Yes. I am glad you you came here to say that because frequently what I have heard is that the people along those streets would not like to see that. Well, and in my biggest concern is the emergency vehicles, because whenever I see a fire truck or an ambulance go down, all 19 or Pinellas Avenue, I go, how are they going to get through? And those every second matters to whomever they're going to. So I really appreciate you coming here and stating that because personally, I believe that's very it talked about added traffic, but, mango was just closed right for months. Where did that traffic go? That traffic came on mirrors. It came down distance. They got on Martin Luther King. My children were there, cops and kids. You just have to make it a traffic calming. So that's it. So thank you. Thank you, thank you. Any other members of the public wishing to speak? Well seeing none, does staff has have closing remarks, no. We listened, we'll tweak a few things as we move forward, and but I really appreciate all the input de, P and Z board members have any closing comments? The only thing is listening to the residents have come and spoke is for us. It's the plan. It's not it's not writing the check. Yeah, and so a lot of these things that that the master plan itself is just the plan, it takes the, the board of commissioners to, to implement, just like if you wanted to extend Belcher. That's not a, that's not a planning and zoning issue. That's a city commission issue, and so but, you know, I, I would imagine their, their watching this as well. So, so your comments I would suspect that they've, they've heard city manager was sitting there for a while. So in any event, I just wanted to say thank you all for participating. But again, we're just putting a plan together, not necessarily writing the check. And just like to echo, thanks to everyone and all the boards and commissions who came to participate and thanks to all the, the board members up here that have put a lot of time in to getting this document to this point. And especially thanks to the staff. Yes Thank you. Very much. And if that's it, we'll stand adjourned. Yeah Quicker than I thought. We.