##VIDEO ID:S_XoWiqrALc## Everybody will call the meeting to order. It's great to see everybody here. Welcome to the December 17th meeting of the Temple Terrace City Council. I'd like to remind you to please silence your electronic devices and let me be the first to check because that would be really embarrassing. So if you would please stand and join me in the invitation and the pledge. Lord, as we begin our meeting tonight, we pause to thank you for your continued blessings upon our city. We thank you for our terrific residence, business owners and employees. We know that this is a difficult time for many people, and we pray that they feel your comfort and the support of the community. We pray especially for the families of Charlotte County Sheriff Sergeant Elio Diaz and Polk County Sheriff's Deputy Gregory Maynard. May they feel the comfort that only you can provide. We ask for your wisdom and collaboration tonight as we continue our work to advance the common good of our community. Amen. Yeah Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Right OK So for those of you, I think probably everybody's been to our meetings in the past year or so, but if you are new, um, we do have a small tradition here where we, uh, at the beginning of each meeting we have one of our council members present a historic or interesting fact about the city of Temple Terrace or the area, and tonight it will be council member Fernandez, whose idea this was, so, uh, Council member Fernandez, you're up. OK. So a lot of you realize that we have a golf course running through the city and it's a lovely green space that some people use for golf and some people walk their dogs on, um, but Temple Terrace is actually the first master planned community in the United States to be built around a golf course. It was originally named Temple Terrace Estates, and some of this you may realize. And the community, uh, with its golf course actually became an integral part of the social life in the greater Tampa area and The hub of all of that social life in Temple Tears happened at the Temple Terrace Country Club and Club Morocco. So both of those buildings, they were actually in very close proximity to each other and both of them are on what is now Florida College campus, uh, Club Morocco is gone, but during its heyday it was a casino and, uh, it was also the city of Temple Terrace's recreation pool, so it's the the pool where I had swim practice when I was on the swim club. Before our current rec center was built, um, but the country club was the social hub of the city and uh offered many entertainments even to the greater Tampa area. So, uh, Al Jolson performed there, uh, there were dances, there were parties, there were many other entertainers that came into the area that performed at the country club, and it was also a hotel for visitors, so a lot of you may not remember. But if you do, you know that the older homes, the 1920s, uh, Spanish style homes were often only occupied part of the year for the season, people would come here for the winter from colder northern climates, and they weren't designed for. A lot of elaborate cooking. They have very small kitchens, you if you owned one of those houses, you were meant to eat your meals in the country club, so that was one of the ways it was also just a hub of the community because almost everybody who was here visiting or residing in one of their houses, uh, 8 at the country club. So it was, so the country club was actually it was completed between 1922 and 1923, and it was designed by M. Leo Elliott, who was a prominent architect in the Spanish mission style, and it was known as an elegant place, um, the entrance featured a stylish glass and wrought iron awning and marble steps, so it's quite ornate and Paul Shafflin, I don't Chafflin, who also, he actually worked on the Vizcaya. In Miami, he decorated the luxurious clubhouse interior. So it was it was designed to be very luxurious and and opulent and um. Design and expensive, I guess I'm guessing so it it featured 36 private guest rooms and a large dining room and many seating areas with natural light and uh the the entire clubhouse was designed so that it took in the views of the river and the natural setting and the golf course. And It was very. Oh It was a very comfortable, but yet fancy place to hang out, so they had the locker rooms for people who wanted to golf. They had pool tables, they had, uh, obviously spaces for dining, spaces for relaxing and all of it was designed to be very comfortable and take in the natural setting. Um, and it and it was absolutely a social center for everybody who was in Temple Terrace. So in 1932, however, The city foreclosed on the hotel, and it was sold to the Florida Fundamental Bible Institute. And then in 1944, the building was sold to Florida Christian College, which is now Florida College, and it's now known as Sutton Hall. So those of you who are familiar with our past. Temple our past city council meeting where we discussed the fate, the future of Sutton Hall, um, know that this was the original country club for the city of Temple Terrace and when Florida College was utilizing the building, it served as a residence hall and also the kitchen and dining area served as their cafeteria, I think in 1998 is when they uh replaced the cafeteria with a different building. So the original Temple Terrace building. Along with the Club Morocco and the golf course were central to the lives of residents and visitors and were critical to the early development of the city and the clubhouse, Sutton Hall showcases the architecture of Temple Terrace estates, the lifestyle of a past era and the heritage of Temple Terrace, so it is a building that we will be sad to see uh no longer with the city as it represents. The the past of of the purpose of the city and, and, and why people came here and what they did when they were here, but that is the history of Sutton Hall, the original Temple Terrace Country Club for the golf course and then and not too short change the orange groves. They were a very big part of the city of Temple Terrace, and people did come here who were who had some ownership in groves either in Temple Terrace or the area to stay here to be in close proximity. To them, but so there were many, there were other reasons they came to the city of Temple Terrace besides golf, but this was the country club that was for the city and I do want to encourage people who are interested. This book was written by members of the Preservation Society. It has a lot of pictures and it's, it's has, it has some of the history and some of the information I used I got from this book and it does have pictures if you're interested in it and I know that there is a way that you can buy this. But I also know that the library has several copies, so I encourage everybody who's interested to look at it, and that's it. Good, thank you. That was good. Who's up next, Cheryl? Do you remember? The bar's been set high. OK, the bar's been said hi. OK, thank you very much, council member. So next up we have employee of the month for November, um, and I'd like to invite Amy Hutchlet to the podium, please. So I'm gonna read from the script, Amy because that's what I'm supposed to do, but I think I could tell this story probably even better than the script, so. Um, Ms. Hutchler is our uh employee of the month for November. She is our public safety telecommunication supervisor, so in layman's terms she runs the 911 center. That's what she does. And she consistently goes above and beyond in her supervisory position to demonstrating exceptional dedication, professionalism, and a positive attitude that inspires those around her, uh, that is all true, but I'm not sure that it really captures the full extent of, of uh how important. war around here. Uh, Amy serves as our 9/11 dispatch supervisor, as I said. She's also chair of the Employees for Employees Committee and fulfills many other responsibilities that are crucial to city operations, which is true no matter what you're doing down here at City Hall, uh, Amy's head seems to pop up in the middle of whatever it is, so she wears many hats around here, uh, despite facing personal challenges during Hurricane Milton, uh, Amy's professionalism and reliability shown through. And I'm going to go off script here a little bit because I was here when this happened. I was actually lived this with. Um, um, Amy was at the EOC. Well, all the time that I was there, so I don't know if she ever went home to sleep or eat, but she was there the every time, every day that I was there, which was most of the day every day and she was there, uh, despite her own home being flooded, uh, and, uh, I think there was a medical emergency somewhere in there in your family as well, she never left and she's she's talking to her family about what to do about the flood and who to call and get the stuff up off the floor and and she but she stayed. that you would see to work. Um, she remained a dependable force in dispatch working long hours as needed to ensure the department's smooth operation continued at the end of November, the fire department experienced an unexpected loss of one of our firefighters, Amy was always ready to lend a helping hand. She stepped in to support the firefighters during this difficult time by providing lunch for the firefighters. This is a testament to her selflessness and care for her colleagues, uh, and I could go on and on and on off script here, but I won't, so Amy. You're a huge part of what goes on around here, um. I, I know everybody could could talk a lot about that but we won't. So would you like to say a few words? Thank you. That's really all I can say right now. Thank you. That is a few words. Let's give her a round of applause. double duty today in a photographer too. Right, yep. All right. OK. Thank you. Good. Well done. Mm Next, uh item is a presentation of the city's proposed flag and the Temple Terrace brand architecture and here to present that is our marketing and communication officer Joel Orta, uh, good evening. Good evening, Joe. City council members, um, um, Joel the marketing communications officer. um, tonight I'm here to, uh, present the proposed city flag, um, first off, I wanna thank the public for their submissions to the flag challenge, um, we got over 40, um, submissions. And they each, um, had a piece. To a puzzle, um, I think the comedian had a tough time just picking one winner, um, so I was tasked with the chance of taking these ideas and making a cohesive collaborative flag, and this is what I came up with. Um, so it's has a green background, um, the green represents our. Uh, tree canopy, uh, greenery, uh, green spaces, um, it pays homage to the Temple Ari, the golf course, the Hillsborough River, and obviously the oak trees which are now prominent in the city, um, as well as the light tower, which is now one of the entry points into the city and the two Ts that um are part of our branding. Um, again, this is a proposed flag and um if the council wishes we can come back again as make as a resolution if that is what the council's wishes um for it to be, um, and in that case if we were to do that. This time we would include the colors and the explanation of what everything represents being that. back in the past, there was some sort of a flag, but no one took that information down, um. So that's the proposed flag. Then we have what's our brand architecture. So now I have more than a year, um, in the row. When I first got here, there was a disconnect. There was an intent to rebrand and there were two brands floating around, um, and I felt that the rebrand wasn't done successfully. There was a lack of education of what was going on, um, so. I felt that the established brand had pieces that were valuable and that could could have been kept. So I wanted to make a responsive logo. So responsive logo is um a lower that can be broken apart and put into different mediums but still represent the same brand, um, it's flexible if it's multiple marketing marketing scenarios from government to social media, um, for example, one of the some examples of those are, you know, some of these brands that we all know, it starts off as the big logo but then goes down to as simple as a mark and you still know what that brand is. So for us, I like to see the TTs as our Nike Swish, right? That's what everyone should know us for if you see the tes, think of Temple Terrace, so that becomes the smallest scale of our logo and it can be used as a watermark for merchandise printing, uh, just it's our symbol. And then we have our tagline, Amazing City since 1925, um. I saw part of the brand, um, when I first got here, but in reality it is a tagline, and it is something that can stand alone just like Nike uses just do it. It could be on its own. It could be with the logo. It can, you know, it gives us more flexibility. Uh, then, being that we have so many services that we provide, um, as the mayor wants pointed out, it's like a bunch of little shops. Having just one logo doesn't give us the flexibility and the mobility of presenting ourselves to the public. So brand architecture allows us to have this uh flexibility of doing different things, so sometimes the official logo wouldn't fit well in certain sponsorship opportunities or certain color backgrounds because it was just that one piece. Um, it also allows for employee, um, culture engagement because uh they can then pick which part of the brand they like the best or which one they uh associate closer to, and it gives us flexibility for growth if we have it in the future. So some examples of a brand architecture would be these, um, some cities also have the same method where they have similar elements that tie back to the main brand but they still their own little um shops if you will. So the official government logo stays the same, right? It's not that we're eliminating that, but then that has now a usage. It's used for official government, um, use, so for the city council, for the clerk, for the, uh, attorney, anything that comes governmentally will have this official logo. Then we have our standard logo, which is more for common use, sponsorship, uh, branding, social media, web, and it, it's more of a portrait version of the logo being that that's where we live now. We're no longer landscape, so it comes, it, it gives you more space and more breath, um, what I did here was more of a refresh of the brand. I got rid of the, the filigrees in the back and just stack the the temple terrace, so now it's more, uh, portrait size. Then we created a condensed version, so this is again like I said, sometimes the logo was so elaborate and big, it didn't fit well in certain spaces, so now we have a third option that gives us that flexibility to present. And then we have our sub-brands, so police and fire was already here when um I got here and then we created a Parks and Rec, so the Parks and Rec logo still has elements that ties into the main brand. So now we have that ability in the future if we need to to create more. Then we have our promotional logos, um, same thing, they all kind of tie in. These could be worn off, these could be for advance, these could be for holidays. Now we have that flexibility to create new things, but still tying into the main brand. So this would somewhat be with the architecture will look like at the moment. And again it's all fluid now and now it gives us the mobility to continue to create if we need to as we grow or new things um develop or new changes happen and we have that mobility to to proceed in the future. And now we also have different options of color. So when I got here, there was just that one color. Now we've created a white and a black version of most brands that way they fit with better. Color background, um, and it gives it more, uh, design qualities. So for example, when I, uh, some of our merchandise. They fit now we don't have to just stick to that one stitch that sometimes doesn't come out well, well, now this one might be simpler or the hearts for, you know, one off events and it allows us to be more mobile and flexible. Thank you, and I stand for any questions if you have. Thank you, Joel, um, council members, questions? Oh No. So when I first saw the, uh, the beginnings of this year, there was a Policy associated with this is that they're gonna be like a city internal rules so if somebody, if we're making up koozies for an event or something that would be in, in the policy what brand you would and would not use so you wouldn't use that logo on a koozie. Yeah, so we, we have a brand guideline book that we are working on, uh, obviously, if this, if you approve, then we'll finish that out and you'll have the the proper color usage, uh, what you can and cannot do. So for example, you can't retch out the logo, you can't. change the logo to any color you want, so I have more rules to it, um, associated to these um brand definitions. OK So Council, I do need, I don't we need need a formal vote on this, but I do kind of want to throw something out for your soft approval here seems to me, um, in my conversations with the city manager earlier I said, you know, the flag, I think needs to be formally adopted in, in a resolution, um, so at some point in the near future whenever we have a fairly light agenda or something I would expect um a resolution to come back so we have it on the. Records of the city that this is what the flag is. Um, that also gives us an opportunity to put the flag out to the public, um, now on social media and the website or wherever to you know between now and then for the public to look at it and get opinions on or, you know, proposals, although the public was engaged in the. Design of it to begin with, this is another chance for them to review the. Does that all sound reasonable to everybody? I do like the flag. The flag is really good. I like that. Um, I, we had a discussion. But 2-3 years ago, regarding the logos, and there was some real people really got their, their, their Nickerson and not over the whole thing, it was being done surreptitiously and, and I don't remember all the details. Does this sort of calm that down or is will this, will this, because I know they didn't like the TT and the double T and people, you know, some people complained about that, um. To, to, to, to Carlos, does this, how's it going, how's that gonna affect that? So I, I think I know what you're referring to is actually a meeting right before I was hired. I remember that conversation. I sort of watched it on, on, on TV, um. At that point, I think the direction that they were, the staff at the time was no longer here, was pursuing was this notion of almost replacing the logo. That is not what we're recommending this evening. We're keeping the logo. What we're doing is, I think what Joel did a very nice job of showing us, we're sort of following this business corporate model, which is the logo is your home and you're, you're working off your home in different contexts where it might fit better for different, you know, whatever you're you're using it for at the time. So we're, we're maintaining fidelity to the city logo that a lot of people put an effort into, and we're not changing there. We're not going to dispose of that. I think it's good. I, I like the whole concept of being able to parse it out and use little use the pieces of it, but, but having an established set of rules that, that everybody within the city follows. I think that's going to be very beneficial going forward. I like the whole concept. Thank you. Attitude, Mister Dwart to thank you if there's nothing. Oh, do you have something? Oh, OK, uh, council member Schler's comments. Thank you. I echo echo. No, this is, this is really good, uh, good work, uh, Mr. Dorta. This is what we've been trying to get to and, and, uh, this is what. Other brands do, uh, you know that that USF, the airport I've read their their manual, um, USF has a very complicated manual, but it's all, you know, the, between the horns and USF and USF Health and you know, there's a lot of different sub-brands and uh the sheriff's office has different, so this is, this is where we need to be so thank you for doing this and I know you've been working on this for a while because we've been talking so a smaller verses of the flag be available? residences. Once we do the resolution, then we'll get. Big ones and little ones and then we'll have it out there. Thank you, Mr. All right, counsel, there are 2 regular appointments to be made to the library board. Um, there are 2 regular member vacancies on the library board with terms expiring on December the 21st. Two of the current members whose terms are expiring are Jessica King's Buckley and Nathan Johnson, uh, both have reapplied. We've also received application, well, we've received applications for those two, but also from some others, so our total list is Jessica King's Buckley, Juan Ferera. Nathan Johnson, Suzanne Knapp, and Cynthia Wilhite, uh, have applied, so we have 12345 applicants, uh, and 2 vacancies, which is a really good problem to have. We do not usually have that problem, um, and I'm sure you've read their applications, all of them are, uh, really excellent people and so. Um, who the three who were not selected tonight, I want to assure you that um we will look for a way to put you to work if you want to volunteer for the city, so, um, OK, are any of them here and would you like to say a few words? You don't have to, but you're welcome to if any of the 5 are here. I don't see anybody rushing up. Yes, ma'am. Would you like to say a few words? You have to come up to the podium. You don't have to if you don't want to, but you're welcome. I always feel like I'm putting people on the spot so you don't. Welcome Cynthia. I've moved here about 3 years ago, um, I love Temple Terrace. I've been a big fan of the library since a kid, so, um, I just, I wanted to a way to be involved in the community, so when I saw the application open, I. applied, so But thank you for the opportunity. I hope to hear my name, so thank you and thank you for being here. Anybody else. OK, council members, there are 2 ballots. So we will select one name per ballot. I guess it's how we're doing this. One ballot. I wondered why we had 2. OK, so we'll just do one ballot. There you go. What's the number we have to get to 270, is that how this works bringing back flashbacks, all right. But while the clerk tabulates those, I do want to say to the 3 who applied that everybody can't get appointed here, but, uh, thank you all 5 of you for your willingness to serve the city and uh I'm very serious about, you know, if you're stuck on library board, then we'll get you there sooner or later, but there's also other opportunities that we can always use citizen involvement and so thank you for stepping up. Uh, I wish we could have boards big enough to accommodate or hate. turn the volunteers away. That's like the worst thing in the world, yeah. Uh, well, I, I do want to add to that that all of the boards that the city appoints volunteers to are public, so even if you are not appointed to a board that you were interested in, you can still attend those meetings and keep up to date with what's going on for for any of the citizen boards. That's very good. Thank you. Madam clerk, um, Council member Schisler voted for, um, King's Buckley and Nathan Johnson. Mayor Ross voted for Kingsley and Nathan Johnson. Um Alice, uh, Council member Fernandez voted for King's Buckley and Nathan Johnston. Council member Chambers voted for King's Buckley, and Nathan Johnson, and Councilman Kravitz voted for Nathan Johnson and Suzanne Knapp, so the two highest are the current members, which is. Kings Buckley and Nathan Johnson. Very good. Um, is there a motion to approve, uh, Jessica Kings Buckley and Nathan Johnson. As regular members of the library board for a term extending from December 17, 2024 until December 17, 2027. I But made the motion? Council member Kravitz, OK, and seconded by Council member Schier, all those in favor say aye I opposed. No nays. Very good. Thank you to the, to the two for reapplying and to the three of you for your willingness to step up and I look forward to seeing, uh, the three of you in the future. Counsel, has everybody had an opportunity to review the minutes from our December 3rd meeting, and if so, is there a motion to approve the motion in 2nd is a discussion or corrections to the minutes, seeing none, all those in favor say aye, I opposed, no nays. minutes or adopted there or. Uh, now we're on persons wishing to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or items on the consent agenda. There are forms in the back of the room if you wish to address the council, uh, we do have a, I'd like to read this once in a while. I don't think this has been a problem for a while, but we do have a 30 minute time limit on this portion of the meeting and what we do is if there's too many people, we stop at 30 minutes and then we continue at the end of the meeting that way we can get business done. Uh, we haven't had that. happened in a long time, but I like to say it once in a while in case it happens, it's not the first time people have heard it. We do have a 3 minute time limit imposed on all comments from each person, and we ask that the speakers come to the podium and state their name and city of residence. I currently have one request to speak from a Mr. and Mrs. Kris Kringle Well, here we go. Christmas holidays. Pay of citizens of Temple Terrace. Welcome. Thank you, thank you, is it right to limit Santa to 3 minutes. I don't know if that's it. I'm gonna let you make that decision, but I have a 3 hour speech. Well, maybe we'll, my name is Santa Claus, and this is Mrs. Claus, and we reside at 0001 North Pole. I am actually here on official business tonight. It is my honor and my privilege. To bring to you tidings of joy and good news. We have all been waiting, I know, to find out how's the city council been on the good list for the naughty list. Well, I'm pleased to report with all of the emails. And all of the snail mails and all of the texts that I have gotten that the children. Of the city of Temple Terrace. have greatly enjoyed the 4th of July parade, the fall festival. And Winter Wonderland, which I got to attend was a great event. Lovely golf carts you have here in this city. The citizens have been very pleased with especially your leadership through the storms and the hurricanes this year. And of course the thing that always puts one close to the good list is not raising taxes. We have no taxes at the North Pole. And finally, On behalf of the citizens of the of the temple terrace employees who have been flooding me with emails lately on your leadership. And your generosity in giving them Christmas Eve off. I'm pleased to report that the Temple Terrace City Council has made a good list. clause is provided. Some goodies for each of you. Thank you. Thank you. Of course, it's peppermint to keep you up during your long laborious meetings. Enjoy, enjoy. Thank you. Thank you. Only one for you. That's OK happily happily happily happily on the No lawsuits get sent candy canes for you. For everyone. Helpy holidays. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. Ho ho ho. Very That's a first. I don't even know what to say after that I kind of got me speechless or I don't currently have any other request to speak. Is anybody brave enough to want to follow that, we do have forms and you are uh OK. Very well then, uh. Ladies and gentlemen, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda. OK. All those in favor say aye I opposed no nays resolution approving the consent agenda is approved. Uh, next item is a resolution approving a two-year contract for audit services with Forbus. Mazer's Mazer Mazars Forbes Mazars LLC for the fiscal year ending September 30th, 2024, and for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2025, and our finance director, Mr. Ingram is here to explain. Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City council. I never thought I would be following Santa Claus. But uh This is a resolution approving a two-year contract for audit services with Forbus Mazars LLC for the fiscal year ending September 30th, 2024, and for the fiscal year ending September 30th, 2025. City council adopted resolution 5124 on June 4th, 2024, approving a two-year contract for MSLPA to perform the city's financial audit for fiscal year ending September 30th, 2024, and fiscal year in September 30th, 2025. Effective November 1, 2024. For us Mazars LLP acquired the assets of MSLPA. Requiring the city to sign a new agreement with the same terms. Same amount, most importantly, this the same amount. To reflect the new firm. The former MSLPA audit team headed by Jeff Wolf, have transferred to Forvis Mazars LLP and will continue to perform the financial audits for the city of Temple Terrace. The city of Temple Terrace Audit Committee met with Jeff Wolf on December 2nd, 2024 to discuss the change and have recommended that the city enter into the new agreement with For us Mazars LLP. Staff recommends that council approve the two-year contract with Forvi Mazars LLC, and I stand for any questions. Thank you Thank you, Mr. Inge members of the public who wish to comment on this item. Council members, any questions for Mr. Ingram? If there are no questions, is there a motion? Yes, all right, um, move to approve a resolution approving a two-year contract for audit services with 44vis Mazer LLC for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, and for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2025. second, but I We have them listed as LLC, but in their documents their LLP. I mean, I don't think it's. OK, I'm Mr shown is that fundamental to the motion? Oh, I'm sorry, that, that is correct, LLP. I will amend my motion to LLP. And our second. OK, so that's fine and then we'll, um, correct the actual resolution to reflect the motion. Further discussion of the motion. I think it's um excuse me, I think that it's a good move, um, they get their stronger company, they're bigger and uh uh it provides more opportunities for us if we need, if we need any guidance or anything in any of the areas that a bigger base, so I think it's a good move and I'm a favorite of it. Other discussion of the motion. Not all those in favor say I I opposed, no nays resolution was adopted. Thank you, Mr. Ingram. Next item is a resolution approving the revised. CDBG, which is community development block grant agreement with Hillsborough County's Board of County commissioners, Assistant Finance Director Jennifer Newman is here to explain. Hello, Mrs. Newman. Good evening, Honorable Mayor and council. Um, the item I have for you this evening is a resolution to approve an updated interlocal agreement between Hillsborough County and the city of, um, the city to fund infrastructure improvements under the Community Development Block grant known as CDBG. The original agreement was approved by resolution during council meeting on November 19, 2024. However, prior to the county signing their approval of that agreement, they noted a couple of items that they wanted to update. First, the funding was reduced by $6,565 from 542,993 to an amount not to exceed 536,428. And second, there were exhibits and an additional article were added for the Build America Buy America Act, which is a new act which outlines the compliance requirements for the city and for contractors who perform work on CDBG projects. Um, at this time, staff recommends council approve the updated interlocal CDB CDB. I can't even say it. CDBG agreement with Hillsborough County, and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you, Jennifer. I do have a couple, but first we'll go to public comment. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item. And Jennifer, is that what these, I'm sorry, Mr. Newman, is that what these attachments are for my signatures this related to this having to do with foreign. This is something else, OK, never never mind. I do have a new agreement that um counselor or, um, Phoshone has. That is, um, has the new amount in it and has um some additional articles and additional exhibits for the Build America Buy America. Why was it reduced? Did they explain? I think that they had a miscalculation when they first did the, the first agreement and when they went to review the calculation, they determined that they needed to reduce it. OK, thank you. council member, did you have a question answered the first part. The second part is, um, how this is already in our capital plan for usage through the uh For the, for the next year or two. Yes, we do already have it in the budget, but we, um, we can reduce that budget or we just won't spend as much as, yeah. OK. Thank you. Other questions, Council member Fernandez. Can you describe Exactly what the city is allowed to spend this money on and what What actual projects the community would see from this funding. So this funding, um, they would take me a long time to describe everything that it can actually be spent on, but we do have specific projects, so the areas have to be determined under a census that they fall within um a blighted area or an area that needs improvement and so the federal government passes the money on to the county and then the county passes the money to us to improve those areas for infrastructure for. um, water main lines, uh, streets, sidewalks, things like that that will help improve those areas in the city, we cannot use it just anywhere in the city. It has to be in an area that has been approved through, um, the Hillsborough County BOCC. So for the. projects that we have budgeted in our capital improvement plan or, or in the budget for this upcoming year. We already know that those projects meet the guidelines Hillsborough County has established or the federal government has established when we apply for the funding, we have to tell them specifically what projects we plan on doing, what we expect those amounts to be and what area those those projects are going to be completed in and so they have to be approved prior to this agreement, even coming to the council. Yeah. Other questions? If there are no more questions, or is there a motion? To prove the revised CDGB agreement with Hillsborough County BOCC. 2. Is there a discussion of the motion? I do have one quick comment for whoever um. So I've brought this up a couple of years in a row. I, I have repeatedly talked to Mayor Castor about this because our CDBG area brushes right up against their CDB area and Hillsborough County also has a piece of that and so I, I have tried to encourage all three parties to Talk about their proposals and projects and if we were to. Each take a piece of a project we could probably do a project that may be a little bigger and a little more impactful to the community rather than just another 200 ft of sidewalk, which is important, but what I'm saying is if Tampa puts some money in and we put some money in and we're right across the street from each other. We may be able to do something that's even more impactful, so I, I hope I don't know if that's. Happening, but now it's not the time because we've already identified the projects but next year I, I hope that that happens, so we're good. All right, all those in favor say aye I opposed. No nays, resolution is adopted. Thank you. Next is a resolution authorizing and directing the city manager to bring forward a purchase and sale agreement for acquisition of property involving folio number 036598-0000 located at 5017 East 127th Avenue, Temple Terrace at a public meeting on January the 21st, 2025 for city council consideration. City manager B will explain. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council, so, um, as, as the council knows, the pleasant terrace neighborhood at the northwest end of our community, uh, was developed largely in the 70s without any stormwater management infrastructure. Um, in fact, much of that water historically has flowed uh from the impervious areas down to the natural low point of that neighborhood, which is at the western end of East 127th Avenue. The county recognized some of those challenges and in the 80s and 90s when this property was unincorporated, actually placed strainage easements on several properties in that, in that particular location. Uh, those easements while they, they were a means of trying to address the stormwater concerns. Have become an issue of chronic concern uh because there's still significant amounts of water that flow and go into all those those properties causing erosion, uh, leaving standing water in some cases for days and in some instances, also the water makes its way into the actual homes. Uh, city council, as you know, the staff's been looking at this issue for several years. The ideal solution for this problem would be to remove the properties in that area in that low point and create a large retention facility. Um, we looked at that at the time when we were preparing the capital program, uh, we just didn't have any situation where there is a person willing to sell and relocate and things like that, and we were not about to recommend eminent domain for a number of different complications. Uh, so because of that last year in August of 2023, utilities director uh Tin came before you and sought approval to move forward on a capital program in that area that would have basically uh recognize the same drainage easements, but scraped out some of the material, the vegetative material that's accumulated over the years, uh, and also rehabilitated the nearby lift station. Um We were hoping that that obviously would would be a solution, uh, city of staff has continued to work towards that goal. However, there's been some complications from, from the property owners there still with some added safeguards they want retaining walls, things like that, so it's made that project a little bit harder to implement. With Hurricane Milton, um, a home in the, uh, sort of the main receiving point of that in that easement area, uh, was impacted this property is at 5017 East 127th Avenue. Uh, and that property is actually owned by an uh limited liability corporation who's managing partner happens to be our city attorney. Um, the city attorney prior to the storm well prior to the storm had had told me and a number of our staff that um she was planning to retire in July of next year, July 2025 and we'd be selling our home in the spring, uh, in light of the events of Milton and the context about everything going on. I approached the city council about the possibility of us looking to acquire that property to tear it down, in fact, build a retention area. In November, uh, the city council authorized me to engage the services of the outside law firm of Gray Robinson. The reason we wanted an outside law firm is we wanted to again make it very clear we want to have a buffer between the city and the and the city attorney obviously in this negotiation to make this as evident as possible. We want to do everything ethically and above board. Uh, the firm advised the city and Mho at the time that Florida statute. 112.313, uh, actually prohibits a public officer from selling property to its agency, but there is an exemption in that same statute that exists if the sale will protect our residents' health, safety and welfare, which we have advocated that this would do. Um, and it's important to note for the council and the public that that that that statute. Um, applies to the seller in this case, to the municipal public officer. It does not apply to the city, so the onus of compliance with that statute, uh, it relies or is on Ms. Shoshone. Uh, Mr.one has advised that she's actually put in a request with the Florida Commission on Ethics for an informal written adviser opinion which she hopes to receive prior to January 21 should the council wish to move forward on this issue. At this point, both parties are operating under the, the, the assumption that this would meet the criteria for the exemption. Um Upon moving forward with council authorization and commissioning the former Gray Robinson, the city at the attorneys at the Gray Robinson attorney's recommendation commissioned two independent appraisals. The values of those appraisals for this property came in, uh, one came in at $460,000. Another one came in at $474,000. The parties have tentatively agreed to a purchase price of 465,000 with a closing date of February 28, 2025. Uh Tonight we're asking for the councils that this be set for consideration. It's January 21st, 2025 agenda. And that is to provide 30 days' notice, which is the same practice that we did when we acquired property in Harney Road. We want to make sure the public has enough time to uh to uh look at this issue. And uh that's what's on for your consideration tonight. Good, thank you, Mr. B. or other members of the public who wish to come in and asylum. Council member. Questions for Mr. BU. council member Kravitz, Carlos, I just wanted to thank you for that really good summary. I appreciate that. Um, I was interested to hear that, uh, Pamela has asked for a formal ethical opinion we do have the rules of decorum so Mr. B and Mr. Sean, please. Thank you. I, uh, was just interested to find out that Mr. Sun has asked for a formal ethical opinion. And uh I was also happy to hear that we've engaged attorneys, um, how do you feel about getting a formal opinion of our own from the attorneys that we've engaged that there are no issues or impediments on our end. I know you said that. The ethical issue only in yours to Mr. Cheng. So it should be a very short opinion. So I did speak with the the attorneys at Gray Robinson about this and so they're, they're again what they mention is that really the the onus is on Mr as the seller here. Uh, they, uh, they, what they contemplate is in the findings, they will prepare the resolution should counsel say yes tonight to set it for the 21st. What they will do is they will help us prepare the resolution. They will include the findings which will provide the necessary justification for compliance with the statute by all parties, um, so in their mind that is their sort of legal opinion if you, if you will, not necessarily a legal opinion in in the true definition, but in that in the sense of that that will give the, the, the premise, the supporting documentation. To support this action. Um If counsel wants to pursue a legal opinion. Again, not really sure what the, what they would be looking to provide a legal opinion on for, for us, uh, however, if you do that, just please note that that that would be billable hours for them. Uh, they've already indicated what they're planning to do for us that they feel would be they're comfortable enough for making the recommendation through the resolution. Um That would be something again it's council's desire if you, if you want to do that, we can. That's not what they recommended, but we could do that. Obviously there would be an added cost to that. You still have the floor. All right, well be on the floor. Go ahead. Oh, are you done? I said I yield the floor. Oh, OK. Other questions, Council member Fernandez? So my, my question is for a city manager and that, well, maybe not, but uh. Really in regards to the storm water and the easements and will this. Well, the purchase of this property give the city the necessary. Location and and volume the size to accommodate the drainage, uh, and make the project so that it's, it will alleviate the problem that that area has had. So It will definitely be a, a, a better improvement than what we currently have on the books. What we have on the books would have left the house there, we'd be working around the edges and it, it would be better than that. Uh, will it provide the capacity for to alleviate every single problem in Pleasant Terrace and all the water, I, I wouldn't be able to say that, uh, it's definitely a step in the right direction. If we were to acquire all the homes in the drainage easement area, which may be 345 homes, uh. Then yes, that would be a much better improvement, but that would be very cost prohibitive and also people aren't necessarily willing to sell and have to relocate from their property. So at this point. Uh, we see this as being a very good and a good opportunity to do something here, uh, what we plan to do if council would approve this in January, if Council said it even for January. would be after we close within several weeks, we tear this property down. We'd scrape out the foundation and basically create a retention area. There would be, we'd want to make sure that's done in an expeditious manner so that it's well done well before the start of hurricane season. OK, so for the city's purposes, this actually solves a problem that we weren't necessarily able to provide as encompassing a solution prior. to this property becoming available. What it, what it does is it provides us a much better solution than we previously had. to address the, the stormwater retention issues in that neighborhood. So when we look at this, does it protect the public health, welfare and safety of our neighbors of that particular neighborhood, I would say definitely does for public welfare because when the water flows and if it ponds and it damages those properties and it flows out, it doesn't just stay there, it it goes places, right? So if you take out some of the impediments, the structural impediments, you open up an area where that water can percolate and in most storms that would probably be sufficient, obviously, if we get a storm like a, you know. major, major storm with lots of waterfall, um, rainfall, and we have existing saturated conditions, it won't be the end all be all. There might still be some overflow, but I think it's a much better alternative and if you want to ask that, I'm sure they would see the engineer or or public works director, utilities director, they would confirm that to be the case. OK, and then, uh, I have a, a question about the choice of appraisers and obviously we spoke about it earlier, but I just, can you just give the public the information as to how you selected the appraisers. that they know that they were independent. Certainly, so at first we actually asked our uh outside attorneys Gray Robinson to provide us with a list of appraisers. Uh, it turns out that many of those appraisers were solely for commercial property that's their area of expertise, um, so Jeannie Barlow, my assistant, eventually went through and just looked at appraisers, um, found it through a search engine. Um, and selected appraisers who are certified uh to do that. There was no interference by any other party in that, that's basically we just did that ourselves, uh, looking to find independent appraisers, and we picked two. Thank you. So Other questions council membership. Uh, back to the, uh, the, uh, problem that this solve the problem issue. If I remember correctly, we had like 43 or 4 options of how to remedy the situation. One of them was being acquire all the properties which is, you know, a bazillion dollars, and then there was others too, uh. Do some infrastructure changes, increase the pump size, if I remember correctly. What's the status of that portion of it because it's all going to work together, it just makes it a lot, a lot more efficient moving forward. So the part of the, part of the project that was approved last year, there are multiple components. One component was to get to scrape out the vegetation that drain, but the other component, the very important component, was to rehabilitate the lift station that's nearby because the county installed the station in the 90s. That facilitates the water being sent from this drainage area over to a borrow pit that FDOT. It's not an ideal solution, but it's, it's what, what happened to work there for several decades. Uh, the city, city council, um, several meetings ago approved a $608,000 contract to do that portion of it, so we're gonna do that because that's. Regardless of what you do this evening. That's still necessary because that again this this property accepts water and eventually that water is pumped out to that borrow pit. But it'll make it, it, it, it'd be an improvement over, over just that alone. It will be much better off for the city in the long run. Yes, sir, we feel so. Thank you. I have one more question. Council member Fernandez, so this question is more a procedural question right now, the city attorney's contract requires that the city attorney reside in the city of Temple Terrace. If we, the city purchases this house, the city attorney won't have a home in the city of Temple Terrace, and So I think, so I think we need to obviously discuss If the city attorney is planning to retire in 6 months, I would be willing to forego the requirement that the city attorney reside in the city because I think it would be burdensome to find it, try to find a new place to live, consider especially considering There's not very many houses for sale. In that time period, but I don't know procedurally if we go forward with this. How that works. Would it be OK if I reply to that? OK, so, um, I'm glad you brought it up. We're trying to keep these two items separate, but they are related, you're right. So Um, it would require, assuming that this deal closed, it would require a revision to Mr. Scholl's employment contract because you were correct, it has a residency requirement. Um We really can't task that to the city manager because they're both charter officers that they she she works for the council, not for, um, the city so we um normally it doesn't have to be this way. It's not set in stone anywhere historically uh what has happened is the council has empowered the mayor to negotiate these terms and revisions, um, and then bring that back to counsel for discussion and approval. can't obviously approve it has to be approved by counsel at a, at a meeting, um. After if this is the direction that the council wants to go and I was going to bring up the idea that, um, OK, it probably would be a good idea and it doesn't have to be me if you don't want that, but, but somebody, one of the 5 of us needs to be tasked with negotiating this revision to this contract with Miss Shoshone, um. And bringing that back for council's consideration, and it really needs to be brought back. Before the close of this property because we don't wanna close on this property and then have a council say well no we're not going to excuse her from living in the city and then she said, well, I would have never sold you the house if, you know, so we really need to come. Approve the contract revisions and it would be simple to do that, saying contingent upon the closing of the sale of this real estate, these revisions would be approved. And so if the sale were to fall through, her contract would remain the same and so that's the, that wouldn't be in this motion per se, but that would be the next related thing that we, yeah, and that's my suggestion, um, I'm fine with I'm fine with that, yeah, we, we would discuss that probably next if this were the council's wishes. All right, that's that's all I have. OK. Are there other questions inquiry to the city attorney, if I may. I'm sorry. I have a point of inquiry to the city attorney, if I may. Mr. Mueller, yeah, OK, yes, please, Mr. Kravis, are you, uh, uh, Obviously I've heard. This is a low risk transaction to the city. I'm happy to hear that. Uh, without a legal opinion. Regarding the interpretation of some of the statutes that have been discussed. Are you in a position to say that this carries no legal risk to Temple Terrace? Yes, uh, I, I feel very comfortable moving forward, especially with outside counsel guiding us on this, but I do, I, in my reading of the statute, I feel we fall within that, uh. Public health safety exemption. Requirement, um, and it will help the city. OK, thank you. I read Mbush I'll let you unless there's other questions Council resolution authorized direct city manager to bring forward a purchase purchase sale agreement for acquisition of property folio, um, oh God, 36598-000 located at 5017 East 117th, um, for consideration, uh, at a public meeting on January 21st, 2025. OK. Motion in the 2nd discussion of the motion. If not all those in favor of signify with I opposed. No knees, no counsel, it's not on the agenda, but I would ask if it is your desire. Um, that you Empower somebody to negotiate just the terms of the employment. Contract revisions to approve authorizing the mayor to uh negotiate the revised contract with the city attorney motion 2.s discussion. If not, all those in favor say aye, I opposed. OK, very good. Thank you, counsel. We will now move on to council business, uh, consideration of a revised conceptual plan for 10851 Raulerson Ranch Road and our community development director Gregolley will explain when these gentlemen have been waiting patiently for we're finally to you, Ash. didn't Good evening, Mayor and council. Um, if I could please have the slide. The nights, uh, request is for your consideration of the conceptual plan associated with the property that the city recently sold to Terrace Real Estate Holdings LLC. Uh, this is a 20 acre more or less parcel located near the southeast corner of Interstate 75 and Fowler Avenue. The original sale, um. Agreement was adopted in October of 2022. Since that time, council has adopted 3 amendments to that agreement. The First Amendment, January 2023 updated deadline for closing and also clarified certain terms within the original agreement. The 2nd Amendment was adopted by council in February of 2024. That amendment, um, changed the primary use of the property originally the primary use of the property was, uh, an educational institution, uh for uh a technical school. And through adoption of this 2nd Amendment, it was changed to for the development of a residential project and then the 3rd amendment was adopted by council in October of 2024, and that amendment extended the deadline for the uh property owner and developer to deliver to the city. And conceptual plan that, uh, the city found uh acceptable. Before I go to the next slide, I would like to add that. The Second Amendment was Based upon a clause in the original agreement which allowed the change of use to come forward based on a feasibility study and if you recall that feasibility study was, uh, provided by the property owner at that time. This, uh, conceptual plan includes two options, uh, both options are very, very similar, um, referenced here, we have option A, which includes 6 residential buildings with 60 units per building for a total of 360 Residential apartment units also including a clubhouse and various common areas throughout the property. The significant change between option A and option B is the location of the main entry gatehouse in option A, you see it located on the parcel on the west side of the parcel near the near the right of way, but still within the boundaries of the parcel. Option B, the 1st 3 callouts there have not changed. The, uh, significant change here is with that main entry gatehouse. This option shows it located within the right of way. The property owner is working with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement who currently has, um, the right of way. Uh, for Raulerson Ranch, as most of you realize that was a service road back in the day when the interstate system was developed and that is how the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, I'm sorry, I said it again. Florida Department of Transportation, see what happens after 30 years in that other job? Um Florida Department of Transportation, um. They're working with them to seek a vacation of that right of way, uh, so that they can push that main entry gatehouse out into what is now the right of way space which will afford them approximately 35 additional parking spaces on their property. Here is a visual rendering of the product they wish to build. And a quick, uh, Note here on future land use designations, the current designation of that parcel is public semi-public. Um, on September 9th of this year, the planning commission found that the proposed future land use change to a residential 18, uh, to be consistent with the Temple Terrace Comprehensive plan? And if found acceptable tonight, the next steps in the lineup would be for an amendment to our comprehensive plan. And then the uh property owner would then need to make an application to rezone the property, uh, to support the multi-family residential development. And again, if found acceptable, staff recommends approval by motion of the buyer's revised conceptual plan to include both options in the event that they successfully acquire the vacated right of way. The exact location of the, the gatehouse, the main entry gatehouse, uh, is subject to that vacation as well, it will be determined during the, uh, site plan review process, the exact location will be set by the site plan review process. And with that, I'm available for any questions you may have. I will point out that we have a representative of the property owner as well as the developer in the audience here tonight who is also willing to take any questions you may have for them. Thank you, Mr. Pawley is the, uh, representative of the owner was to say anything, make any remarks? You can. You don't have to. It's up to you. OK, are there members of the public who wish to address this issue. Very well, council member, questions. Yes. Council member Fernandez. So with regard to the major change depending on FTOTs vacation or not is parking. Is there? How would that impact this development because I mean I'm like, you know, I'm looking at the trees and that's, that's all about the same, so it's really more parking spaces or does the option A. have the parking spaces that a development of this size would require. Anyway I believe and I'll, I'll invite uh the developer to uh. Correct me if I misspeak on this. I believe option A calls for approximately 630 parking spaces. Option B, adds an additional 35 spaces, um, now the actual nut nuts and bolts of how many parking spaces will be required, will be worked out through the site plan review process because that of course depends on if those units are 1 bedroom, 2 bedroom, or 3 bedroom. OK, so that. That kind of detail is going to come before us if this goes forward in the site plan review and we will know at that time, regardless of whether the FDOT makes a change in the service road or doesn't, the number of parking spaces will already have been parceled out. Or Allocated based on the number of units and the occupation, uh, uh, occupancy of those units. That is exactly correct. Um, I would just like to add that the approval of a conceptual plan because a conceptual plan is a general approval of the layout and the appearance of the, of the development, um, conceptual plans are subject by very nature to certain changes and modifications as the final planning and development comes together, um. That is why tonight's request is uh approval by motion and not a formal land action before you because the next land action that will come before you, um, will most likely be an amendment to a comprehensive plan followed quickly, shortly thereafter by an application to rezone and then after that, then you would, the next thing to expect would be your site plan. OK, so then, uh, as, along with the drainage storm water retention or Handling the stormwater retention, that would all be part of the final site plan and. Not, I mean, even though they're, they're here, they're on this. Rendition, but it's speculative at this point. Um, yes, uh, in, in general sense, um, again, the concept concept plan is is a working model to, to work from, um. With the availability to make those minor modifications as development occurs, um. As far as storm water concerns and things of that nature, that will all go through the DRC process and uh a, a project of this size, I'm sure will, there will be some, uh, comments and then responses from our team back to the developer and then back again. OK, so, so my, my last question is about the conceptual plan process, and that is if we, so we go forward and let's say we approve this conceptual plan. How do we know? Right now. That we don't. It's so like if I approve this conceptual plan and neighbors come to me after the fact and say no, this isn't consistent with the neighborhood or the planning department or a planning commission comes back and says this isn't consistent with the neighborhood. What, how does that impact The decision that we've made. Well, again, the conceptual plan is just a working model. Um, it, it, it affords the team behind me the opportunity to take those next steps in their planning and development of their project, um, all of this, of course, is worked out both with staff and also presented before council prior to the first shovel ever turning dirt, so those things are all addressed at that time. That's it. Thank you. Good Other questions council member. Oh, I'm sorry, uh, council member Chambers I just, uh, to clarify the conceptual plan is so we if this is approved tonight they can do apartments they can't come back and do. Many warehouses or strip malls or anything unless there are conceptual plan changes again. That is exactly correct, because if you recall going back to the original agreement, um, there was, um, There was calls in there to develop the educational institution. From that point in that 2nd Amendment is when that changed and when that changed, there was, um, clauses added at that time to require the developer to prepare an amended or revised concept plan and bring it forward. And that's what we're here tonight for. Thank you. Council memberchisler, yeah, a couple questions real quick. What you said public semi-public. Can you elaborate on that a little bit, um, that would be for our use for um the development of various infrastructures if you recall the history of this particular, um, piece of property. There was a time in our history when um it was being considered for utility services, and when it was determined that that was not. That was no longer a need for our community on this property. Um We retained the property that we're talking about tonight, which has since been sold, and then the adjacent parcel next door, uh, that abuts the canal was dated back to Swift mud. Oh, OK, so that's that's what that deals with. That's what that is. So the change to the comprehensive plan. What's that what's, what's that going to entail for us as a, it'll come forward, it'll, um, it'll be a process that our city planner will, will, um, address with the planning commission and it'll come forward as a text amendment to our comprehensive plan. So it'd be just related to this issue or item or whatever. Yeah, cause we're changing the FLU on that parcel. OK, so then what, what kind of timetable are we talking about for that? Oh, I'm I'm not sure on that. I'd have to get with our city planner to work it out with the planning commission, and then I could get back to you on a better date for that. And is that acceptable? Is that? kind of loose Translation OK for the, the, the, uh, uh, the, the, the owner. I mean, I know there's not much they can do about it otherwise, but I mean, they're, they're aware of it is my point. No, I believe they're totally aware of it because they've actually been before the planning commission, and they are totally aware, um, they were the first to go before the planning commission actually, and they've got their approval from the planning commission that it is consistent with our plan. It's just that the map amendment would have to be updated. I'm sorry, I said text earlier. It's a map amendment. So it would have to be updated for that parcel. OK. Alright. I think that's all I have. OK. Councilman MKravitz, anything? Any questions? No? I have a question. Can you go back to the. The drawing, the the site plan. I don't, it doesn't matter if it's A or B. OK, that's fine. So I'm gonna, you wouldn't have prepared for these questions, so I'm not trying to do a got you here, but just a thought. Rollerson Ranch is a county owned road, is that correct? Do you know? I think that's a county road. I believe it's a county road with the state, uh, right of way. That's what I'm getting at. So it's a. The road is is the whole thing from 301, yes, sir. OK, that may actually be good because if it reduces the number of people you got to talk to, so, um, these guys have been doing it. They can here's what I'm getting at here, um, this road goes to nowhere and it's never going to go to anywhere because the Federal Highway Administration is not going to waive the limited access line and all that. So there's never gonna be a punch through to Fowler Avenue. If there had been, we wouldn't have sold the property to begin with. We'd have kept it. So we know. that that road is to a dead end road. It's always gonna be a dead end road. We now also know that DOT not only has a right of way on it, but they own it. What do we think about persuading DOT to close that road off at the entrance to this apartment complex when it's built. They, they need the property they don't need the road. And so I think in my opinion, having this dead end road. Only invites illicit activity. There is no legitimate purpose for this road. There's no, there's no property beyond this entrance for anybody to go to and there never will be, so this is just the invitation for illegal dumpinging, illicit activity, drug deals, all kinds of. That which probably happened now, although I think there's a bit of a fence up there now, but. Um And I don't know if that request would come from the city or whether it would come from the property owner or it would be a collaborative effort between two of us to, to both say this is in everybody's best interest, including DOTs. Um, no, please. Good evening, council. Good evening. My name is Brian Smith. I live in Palmetto, Florida, and I've been working with the owner to develop the property. Um we have uh solicited a request from FA on how to handle that land, um, and we're still having conversations with them. It doesn't really matter to the developer or us, and if it's owned by EA or if it's owned by us, but it is a dead end road that's not going to really affect. Um, the development if it's owned by them or us at this point in time. But I do, it does. We care our police department cares and the city cares because we don't want to have illegal dumping down. I mean, it's not gonna be worse because the apartments are there, it's just gonna be the same thing it is now, except we need it to be permanently. And it would only enhance the area if that were just let to grow up and become an additional buffer from the off ramp. We would prefer having dedicate that end of that road to the developer and to the owner, um, so we can control it a little better and the road would just dead end into our front driveway, but Option B. Option Option. Well, it doesn't give them the whole road. It just gives them shuts the road off. I mean, but I'm saying the road stops at the entrance. Because the entrance now is the is the road at the beginning of the complex. Either way, either one, if you're both and um at our front driveway. It doesn't show any barrier across the road, at least not that I can see. Oh, I see your point. Yeah, I'm, I just don't think the road ought to continue on when there's nothing down there and they're never gonna be anything down there, so anyhow, could you. Mr. Paul, if the council's OK with this idea, can you at least be having these talks? Unless somebody objects to that. Yeah. Thank you. OK, other questions? I see. OK, if there are no other questions, is there a motion? A move to approve the revised conceptual plan for um 10851 Raulerson Ranch Road. Second motion is 2nd discussion of the motion. If not all those in favor signify with I I opposed no nays. The Resolution is adopted. Thank you very much. Good to see you. Thank you for your input there. Thank you. OK, council, new business and board reports, uh, council member Shifter, I believe you had something. Yeah, I did have something, and it goes back to the consent agenda, and I just wanted to, uh, compliment staff on something, um, the cassette agenda dealt with the, um, ballpark lift station renovation project and the original budget as as described in the, uh, the documents was about $300,000. Um, I know we've had commentary in the past that this is where we, this is where we do our flushing out of, of dollars spent and so forth, but uh, I, I just wanted to give kudos to staff on this one. It actually came in about 1300 $140,000 they could have acquiesced and just let it go the way they, the way the was originally laid out in the capital plan, but, uh, that's 170 160 $170,000 that they saved the city. It stays in the budget, um, it's, yeah. You know we talk about flushing all that during, during budget cycle, but we don't. We can't. We, you know, we have a pretty good idea of what it is then and, and, and, you know, generally it doesn't go above it, but this is one where they actually able to do it, uh, a better price, more economical, and I just wanted to call out and give kudos to staff and administration on, on, on doing that, that's all. Good. Thank you, Mr. Schler and thank you guys, uh, and council member Fernandez I believe you had something, so, uh, first I'd like to thank the city staff for making the calendar on the homepage interactive. I've used it and I think, um, and hopefully people in the public are using it and find it useful, um, and then my item that I wanna talk about is about our historic buildings and Um, you know, we're, we've lost several historic buildings due to circumstances that are are outside the city's control. And I'd like to know if The city has already an inventory of historic buildings. And if not, Uh, we, we are working with interns from Florida College in USF and various departments across the city and if this would be the kind of project that we could. Um, engage. You know, maybe an intern to help us create a full inventory of historic buildings, not just homes, but buildings, and then also along those lines actually create. A an architectural walking tour. For the, like, you know, a not necessarily anything. To pinpoint, but maybe something, you know, I'm not talking about printed documents, but maybe like a QR code where someone could follow and look at more of the. Key historic buildings in the city, so um. I didn't know if that's something that this we already have if we, if we're working on it, if this is something the 100 year anniversary board is looking at or the historic preservation Board, but I thought I would ask. Yeah Um, OK, so, uh, excellent question. The, Uh, we actually, we have an inventory right now just for the uh for the 1920s homes, um, we, we uh. We do not have an inventory for a mid-century modern homes, things like that or buildings for, for, um, to that extent, so definitely something we could look at, uh, we, we do have interns coming in, some already with defined projects, but we also always get interns from USF in our planning office and community development, um, so that seems like a real logical fit so we could, we could add that as a project to to them, um. As council's aware too, we have a historic preservation board might be this might be something that they may want to participate in should the council feel that they want, want to refer this matter to them also, so. I think council member chambers I was gonna say the Centennial Committee is working on on something like that too, the walking tour, uh, and, and I think they talked about the QR code, but I'm not 100% sure on that, but they are working on the walking tour of the 1920s homes. But and so the reason I'm bringing this up is if you look at, um, I think Flagler College and the University of Tampa are very good examples and Flagler College, the buildings were in disrepair and the community got together and wanted to preserve them and through through their preservation process, uh, school was born and, and they, the buildings are preserved and they serve as a A good cultural asset for the community. University of Tampa has done the same thing with the plant buildings for the the hotel and Over the years, the city of Temple Terrace, our buildings that are key to the development early development of the city. Most of them are gone. And we don't necessarily have a cohesive. Group in the city that's been able to Affect preservation so I that's I'd like us to see, I think if we have some sort of of inventory going that. People There might be more preservation minded. Ownership of some of the buildings. So that's my thought. I I have a question for you. I like the idea. I, I, I think it's um. I, I like it. So, but my question for just for clarification is because our would. Are you referring to buildings that under our current ordinance would be considered historically significant buildings or are you looking to draw the circle broader than that because they requirements in the ordinance that describes what a historically significant. The thing is it doesn't even have to be a building, you know, uh, but it's age. But then also significant architecture you or you know somebody famous lived in it or you know there's a number of qualifiers. Yes, I'm, I mean, I guess I'm thinking of absolutely architectural significance and but I, and, and. All of the criteria that we have established but you're looking at expand or change the criteria or so as as our housing stock of. And I'm thinking of the mid-century modern specifically because that is starting to come into uh the age of historic home age and also they are architecturally significant, the style is architecturally significant. I'm not sure exactly how. I don't know how detailed an inventory would need to be like the, the 1920s homes, we know that they were built by, they were designed by significant architects, and we know that we had significant city early city leadership living in them, um, so they qualify on a lot of different levels, but I feel like the mid-century modern homes are very architecturally different. And deserve some sort of Listing So. That's sort of the reason I'm asking is because we have that you know this better than I do, you've lived here longer than I do, but, um, certain areas of the city were all built at the same time, so there's like whole neighborhoods of mid-century modern and I'm trying to wrap my mind around would we catalog. That entire neighborhood or I mean. Did this would probably be something that would. The, the Specific answer would be something that somebody who's actually put walking tourists together or historic home inventories or building inventories would know more about, but I guess I'm thinking that you you have whole neighborhoods that might be mid-century modern and you might have your walking tour might take you through there and highlight. Unique architectural elements of some of the houses. You might not go this, this is the architect. Yeah. Unless, unless there was a prominent architect in that area and you might not highlight that unless we did have a a renowned city leadership living there some some historic figure, but you might just say something more general about the area of mid-century modern. They were built at this time. These home, this home has this unique architectural aspect. This one has this. one, maybe not a full. I think some of them have been preserved better than others, so yeah, I understand. So but obviously somebody who's done this before would have more. Knowledge of the process it's a cool idea. We just have to figure out the particulars of how to make it work, so yeah, I guess the questions were not necessarily against the whole concept, but just you're, you're, you're, we, we don't have that many historical buildings left outside our residential, OK? So I'm not sure what we're going to accomplish by doing that. Uh, the ones that are maybe what, 4 or 5 that are left in the whole city, um. But we went to great lengths when we changed the the the uh the, the, the, um, historic preservation, I can't remember the, the, the acronym that we had for it, or the initials to say that we're not going to require any. This is not mandatory, OK? And I, I just feel like this is a slippery slope that's opening up. We went to great lengths to, to, to assure people that we're not going to require anybody to join anything, but if we start designating whole neighborhoods as this or that or something else. And put QR codes. I think it's, I think we run the risk of a bait switch perception neighborhood to be designated. No, I understand understand. I understand So for example, Sutton Hall is going to come down. Yeah. There's a plaque that's there and that will stay regardless of what is built in that area, um. I, I don't think there's anything else down there. That's a historical significance, right, the, the orange dome is, uh, but I didn't want to exclude when I'm, when I was thinking this through, I didn't want to just say historic homes because there are a few buildings that are historic buildings. There's not a lot of them left, but the, but I mean I'm not suggesting that. Oh We tell anybody that they have to do anything, just that these homes exist and people enjoy like walking through towns and looking at the historic homes and having a listing would help say, you know, you, we walked through Saint Augustine all the time when we look at all the homes there. Somebody could bulldoze their home and build a totally new one that doesn't, I'm still gonna walk through the neighborhood and look at the others, but, um, I don't think. I'm not in I'm not at all suggesting that we. Say that anybody has to. Do anything about it. I'm just thinking that if we start Documenting The properties that we do have. People who are interested in preservation and people who are interested in walking through neighborhoods and and learning more about. Historic aspects they would have a Resource to use. Well, you know, the other thing that this could do, I don't think it's a slippery slope. I mean our ordinance is very, there's a bright line, it says voluntary, and we would have to change that which we're not gonna do. They're I don't think anybody up here would vote for mandatory. I'm not looking down, looking at the future. But This could I think here's what I'm thinking of, and I don't know if this is true to your intent or if this is addressing your concern or not, but I'm thinking of. In my mind, I'm going down to the south of Bullard West River near, you know, that whole area was developed in the 40s or 50s or whenever, some of those homes are just like they were when they were built, you know, carports or, you know, the and they're in good shape. Um, some of them. And so to go down there and say wow this is a really good example of 1952 Florida home flat roof carport, it's never been. You know, we know what they look like. I grew up in them, right? I mean the, the open blocks the a lot of ventilation, all that kind of stuff. Here's a really good example. It's not been added onto the carport's not been closed in. This is pretty good if we could make a list of these. It may be even then enable us to go to the owner and say, do you realize that your home? Because you don't think of it as being a 1920s historical home, but your home in 5 years or 10 years or maybe even today would qualify for historical status. Do you realize that? And we'd like to share some information with you. Maybe we'll start to. Because some of those homes are already eligible under our ordinance, and some of them will be in the next few years. Um, I, I don't, I think it's a cool idea. Now, the question is, you know, what's going to qualify, who's gonna do the work on I mean we had figured some stuff out. Which is part of why I thought if there was an intern that. I with USF or or Florida College or any school of architecture or of historic preservation knowledge that they might be able to. Give us, uh, I, I just think regardless of whether we create a walking tour or not, I just feel like it would be nice to have some sort of inventory of what exists in the city, um. That's just my thought. I just, I just said we have that. I I, I'm not trying to trying to be negative. I don't, I just, you know, we, we have a lot of initiatives going on in the city right now. And I suppose we kicked this to the, to the, uh, um, historic committee, historic, you know, maybe so that they can come back with a recommendation on it. I don't have any issue with who does it. Uh, it's just a thought that. Uh it's something I think we have, you know, when we conveyed the the old country club and the Club Morocco and and all those buildings when we conveyed them to the Bible college originally they, they were like less than 10 years old. Nobody was thinking historic preservation at the time there. They were Just buildings, they were very, they were pretty contemporary, honestly, so. It just, I just think it would be nice if we had some sort of listing. We have it for the the original homes. Um, but we, I don't think we have it for anything older or newer than that, which would still qualify the mid-century modern. I, I think Yes, council member chambers, you know, I think that's a great idea with mid-century modern after, uh, next year we need to concentrate on our 100 year. And those homes that were built 100 years ago and then we can start working towards mid-century. That's just my opinion. We got a lot of work to do on the 1920s homes. For this next year. There's a lot of work for the historical preservation Board in during the centennial year, that's a good point. How do you feel about that? I mean, it's, it's, I'm, I'm just suggesting it and if. Uh, the historic Preservation Board would be a great board to this if they are busy doing other things right now, then obviously this. They are and they're not, but here's another thing, um. We still have not gotten the final. Approval from the US Park Service for our COG status, certified local government. Once we get that this may qualify for a grant to do this as opposed to an internship. Um And we would have to draw a line around this scope of work and figure out exactly what we want to pursue, but. I, I, I mean this is your idea. I don't wanna maybe we wait and see what's till we get that and then we. I'm, I'm fine with that. I just don't just stop, we should start thinking this direction. Councilman Kravitz brainstorming idea. I've seen this used to great effect elsewhere. Giving people a special recognition if their house is especially well preserved, especially beautiful, without any sort of strings attached, we would seek these people out and offer it to them. They could put a small plaque on the house and sometimes if there is such a thing on the house. There's also a little bit more of an inhibition when it comes to tearing it down, if that is something that someone might want to do in the future. Yeah, but we don't want to give them a plaque when there are no strings attached when that's one of our major. Incentives to get into the historical preservation program. So if we start giving that away to everybody without them coming into the program we've lost one of our incentives could make it required. I'm just saying that if you, if you want to provide people with a sort of. Incentive to not change their houses too much or enclose their carports, you know, having that recognition on it and having the potential to have that withdrawn if you do take such a step. Again, it's just about the recognition, but we don't even have any of the 20 houses enrolled. Uh So I'm a little reluctant to want to give them something. Outside of the program when That's one of the things and unfortunately, a lot of the 1920 houses already have their own plaque, so. Some idea, um, and, and and some of this great conversation and it could be more appropriate for goal setting. That's true too, and we might have the CLG by then. How's that? It's fine. I just think it's something we need to start. I like it. I think it's something that, yeah, OK, so. We're going to table this for now, bring it back up at a time when we hear more about the CLG status and we're at goal setting. That Fair enough. OK. Thank you. Um, other new business. Council member chambers council members. Then you're next. I want to uh. Expand on what Santa Claus said earlier, um, Santa Claus made mention of the Winter Wonderland, so, uh, Mr. Langfeld, a great job by the leasure Services department uh Saturday night the 7th when I want to land at Woodmont and the first Fairway was excellent. Uh, the, uh mostly children, but some of us adults had a great time, uh, uh, there with all the different activities. I think he set a record with the number of golf carts. I think it was in the 80s last year in the 70s, uh, I hope that's a correct. Give me a nod, yes or no, that's a yes, so they were in the 80s and the citizens that decorated their golf carts, they are stepping up the golf carts every year are getting better looking and and stuff um so anyway thank you to everybody that. anticipated, but it was a very fun night thank you to the city and the other departments that prepped the park and got ready for it. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Kravitz. nice to be able to chat. I thought I would bring up a couple of things that have been sort of on my mind regarding the exemptions and permits. I thought just take everyone's temperature and see how people feel about it. Um, one of them is the non-structural work exemption under $1000. I think that's been that way for a really long time. I was just proposing maybe we could increase it for inflation if there's any interest in that. Um, the other one would be the, uh, roofing permit exemption, which is for under 10 100 square feet of repairs. And I thought it would be interesting to look into making that maybe scalable or more flexible based on a percentage-based system of the total roof area. And the last thing is about fences, you know, a lot of uh. People recently I've been preparing their fences following the hurricanes, taking advantage of the uh emergency situation to not have to get a permit to do certain types of work. Uh, I haven't really. Gotten the impression that it's harming anyone, uh, so that's another area that I'd like to look into, and I was just curious if anyone had any thoughts on these three points. I can just tell you um there are some issues with fences. Surveying I know that's something we hear every now and then, why do we have to survey? There's really good reasons for surveys. That's just my opinion. We have had some feedback about the fencing. That it's Not necessarily as smooth as Yeah. The other stuff I can't comment to, uh, but that's something that. I think our staff's been looking at a lot of these ordinances already. I don't know when they're gonna come back to us. But we can certainly um. Get a report further down the road. Mainly, uh, that's all I just I can't make any more opinions that's my concern is they are already working their way through some of the ordinances, particularly with the land development code. For the last year or two. We have, um, Engaged in strategic planning, we've made sure our annual goals. Reflect our strategic priorities, we have tasked our staff with doing more and more and more and last year. We intentionally. Um, as a body. Agreed to kind of slow down on this and give them because we've given them a pile of strategic things to do. The land use codes are one of them, um, the fences or um pool locations there's there's several, it's been a while since we had an update. Um, we have intentionally avoided. Trying to dump new projects on them because we don't want to take them. I don't want to take their eyes off the ball. I mean they're, we're, we're moving, we're getting there, we're, we've. Accomplished more in the past two years and we've probably accomplished in 20 years previous to that, so, um. I'm hesitant to want to like pick out, OK, we want to report on the roof. Permit because now Mister Paulley and his staff is focused on that instead of. They're already focused on and so. Um That's not that I'm opposed to looking at these, I think we should continue to look at these, but I think they already are. Um So I, I'm hesitant personally to want to give them another. task. Well, I think, and I, we discussed this at. Our goal setting and that's part of what they're looking at is that we needed, we need to look at our full process. Of permitting and. Uh, building And our building codes, etc. and I think that's what So That should be part of what we're looking at and I think that. When we get that. When we, when they have started working through it enough and they come back and report to us, that's the time when we would look at. More specific. Uh, if that hasn't been addressed. Yeah we've been looking at Most of what you mentioned we've been looking at for probably a year already, so council member Schler. I would be reluctant to start piecemealing. Let's look at this, let's look at that, because as you said in our golf sessions, we've been doing, you know, we, we said that we wanted a, a review of this done. I mean, even, even finance has gone through and whittled down the number of uh uh occupational licenses, for example, you know, it was like, what, 9, 900 or almost 1000 down to a couple, you know, down to a smaller handful. So I think this is each department is working through that at the at at as we go along, um, by virtue of just hearing our conversation, I'm sure that they'll take a deeper look at at some of these specific issues, but, um, uh, yeah, I, I, I think this is already in process and, and uh I'm more inclined to, to, to let the, let the, uh, department heads work through the uh the backlog to, to get to it. I'm glad that there's so much principled interest in addressing it, it's awesome. So, uh, I'll keep an eye on that and. Hopefully something will come through the pipeline. Anything else, Mr. Kravitz? One thing real quick, um, just FYI, um, the TPO elected chairs, transportation planning organization elected chairs for the next year, um, I was elected chair and commissioner Wassel is elected vice chair, so I don't think that changes anything other than my workload, but, um, it doesn't give us any special, huh? It doesn't give us any special status but just FYI, um, the other thing I'm real quick I had to bring up actually, Mr. Kravitz might want to council member. bo t s might want to bring this up. Somebody suggested to me, um, council member, I think it might have been your father. I wasn't sure about the centennial challenge coin. It would have been my wife. I don't think my father would know what a challenge coin is. Well, I don't think he said challenge coin. He said coin and I maybe I'm filling in the challenge coin, so. Did you catch what he said, suggested to me, do you want it. OK, well, I'll bring it up then, so I offered um the suggestion was made to me to create a centennial challenge coin that would be made available to the public for sale, um, it's a commemorative only available in 2025, um, we have a city challenge going already. I don't know if it's for sale, but this would be something that we could um. So it cost or I mean we're not trying to make a buck but this the collectors of these coins could buy it off the city's website or the clerk's office or whatever and have a centennial Charlie coin. Only made for a year. I was like the centennial Committee. Yeah it primarily if you think it's a great idea, well, was it on their list? I don't remember. I don't think it's on their list, but uh we certainly can suggest that their next meeting is the 2nd of January, so it's up to you. Yeah, I, I, I think it's a good idea. Alright, I've heard that we have a like a um a logo that we can use on there. Anyhow, I, I, uh, thought it was a pretty cool idea when I heard it, so if, if they think it's a cool idea, so. That's all I have any other new business or board reports, OK, city manager's report. Uh, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, uh, in the backup this evening, we have the uh. 4th quarter report for fiscal year 2024 for the actual versus budget financials. Uh, if you have any specific questions, uh, finance director, um, uh, Ingram is here in attendance to answer those. Council members' questions. No I do have one, Mr. Ingram, I'm sorry. I know we've been here a while, but I did have one. And Again Not to put you on the spot because uh you might not have prepared for this particular question, but In the sanitation fund. I know we've had a lot of um revenue growth in that area recently with Amazon and thanks to Mr. Warnfe we've had a lot of new commercial accounts and our revenue stream is up. My hunch is that It's so recent that it's not reflected in the 24 budget numbers because some of this probably came online after. October 1st. That's true. The, the Amazon in particular is new. I don't know that we got any of that in the school year 24. So it's probably safe to assume that. Next year I would think that our revenue would We probably didn't put it in the budget in anticipation of that additional revenue, so we should exceed what we anticipated bringing in, I would think. And um Would you agree with that, Jason? I, I, we, we've had these discussions, um, uh, yeah, we, we are already realizing some revenue from the Amazon materials that we're selling how soon before we would get a reliable indicator of the track we're on because I know we've incurred some additional expenses to provide that service too. So. I would, we know like after the first quarter or the 2nd quarter, would we be able to kind of predict the track that the sanitation fund is on for FY 25 or the first quarter, we will definitely have some significant revenue, um, from the Amazon materials sale. Uh, there are some expenditures related to that too. Um, I believe we should be able to Have a after our first quarter ends and we look at the numbers and we should be able to have a good um idea of where we're headed on that. OK, that would be good to know, particularly with with that fund. Because we have some projected, you know, we've had some increases to try to stabilize that fund. It'd be nice to know, OK, we're tracking in a good way or we're yeah so I just like to, and I appreciate that Mr. Ingram is stating that I meet with Jason regularly and he fills me in and, and I think we're both. pretty confident that the revenue picture is going to be. Far beyond our expectation, um. As we know, council approved an out of budget request actually recently for the sanitation fund because it's a business operates like a business. We had a need, we are growing. We're in that cycle right now of large intensive growth in business, um, the Amazon, we are running 16 times a day? Is that what it is? Wow. So yes, I should ask him to come to the podium. This Mayor City council. Jake more folks, public works director. So the Amazon account has some challenges that makes it operate the way it needs to be. So currently we're running 16 hours a day servicing Amazon, and that is peak cycle through the holiday season. They only do that 10 weeks a year. So we're, we're about to fall off of that. But on a normal day, we have one dedicated truck 8 hours a day, that services that account. And that would have been the, the out of budget purchase that we made in, in September. To get ready for that. So Yeah, so I think our numbers we're fairly confident those numbers are going to be much, much better, um, and we may actually, in fact, because of the revenue and this increased activity, we may be coming back to you for other, other opportunities here throughout the year. OK 16 hours a day. Yeah, we have a truck on the road right now. And he just fills up the truck and goes to, so we, we have two drivers. We run our 1st and a 2nd shift, so it's not the same driver 7 days, that's fine. Yeah, we've, we have, there's 4 drivers, they cycle through on the weekends and, and, and we get it done. So I want to answer the additional expense. Yes, we do. Amazon has laid some stipulations on this account pertaining to containers that are outlet that account. They're currently. by republic. Ours are on order, um, the current revenue. Um, that is pending the, the current bill that's out will cover all those expenses plus some, so there's, there's revenue there where our ROI is very short with this, so we're, we're trying to make it. We're feasible to offset some of the other expenses. Very good thank you of us some, some of us had the opportunity to go visit the plant. This is an aspect of it that I've never heard of. Could you elaborate on how we do that, how we handle this. As what we do. So Amazon has, they have two Auger recycler compactors on on site and they have a trash compactor. So the auger bins are the, are the challenge. Those Auger bins are 42 cubic yards, um, they augur the cardboard recyclables into the container at a high capacity at a high rate with a lot of pressure. So as they fill up, we, we're dispatched, we send drivers out there, they unhook them, we swap containers, we haul till we swap and come back, um, that container already has cardboard in it in just a one-hour drive to your City and come back. So we don't, there's no downtime, we have to swap, we have to keep going, and that's why we purchased containers to try and make the swap go better for our drivers. Um, that facility from the tour that I took recently, um, they push out half a million boxes in 24 hours, packages. Now that's envelopes, that's boxes, that's, you name it. So that's what they're doing. trucks come in with products, they have to unbox it. That's where the card work comes from that we're, that we're recycling for them. Um, the trash component is the, the plastic packages, they're, they're regular operational trash from their offices and, and facilities on the site, but, uh, that trash compactor goes 3 times a week, um, it. It's full. It's a 40 yard container. It's full, and we also swap that out as well, so there's, right now there's 5 containers on site. We swap everything on site and then the drivers go down the road and that's why it takes 8 hours a day to swap 3 containers because there's a lot of fiddling with the site security where we are, we are dedicated to traffic lanes when we go in we have to stay in the traffic lanes to get into the facility. It's a lot of moving pieces there and the drivers have been very responsive to what's going on out there. People don't realize what's involved with, with, with the facility and I think it's just, I think it's good education for everybody. OK, thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Ingram. Are there other questions about the report? Uh, just one question. Yes, Council member Fernandez is actually for the city. I just want to make sure that. People who go on to the website and pull up our agenda this backup is. accessible to anybody. So as the council knows, we've had some concerns about some of the backup. Um, I will check whether this tabulation here with the way it's set up with the columns and and the and the rows is in fact accessible, um, I'll get that confirmed and if there's any issue, we'll make sure we get it out there on the agenda some in some format. That's it. Oh We're good, Mister B. Anything else? Uh yes, uh, real, uh, briefly, uh, first, I wanted to, uh, uh, thank the city council for their support, uh, at the end. Employee end of year celebration, uh, thank you for serving, uh, food to our, our, our team members, uh, everybody sincerely appreciated, not only that act, but also the fact that you helped us put this on to begin with supported financially, so, uh, very much appreciated, uh, on behalf of the employees. I also wanted to, uh, uh, thank again for Christmas Eve, uh, that time off, that is, uh, that's a very nice book. It's, in fact, it's kind of funny. I, I, we mentioned this to employees and there's a smile, like, oh, we have Christmas Eve off like there it's. You, you're like, Santa was great, but you guys are extra special tonight, so, uh, I just wanted you to know that, uh, and finally, I wanted to just remind council and the community that tomorrow evening at 5 o'clock we'll be having the neighborhood meeting with the residents in Rolling Terrace, particularly the residents along Beauer Drive in Knight's Branch to talk about the, uh, flooding issues from hurricane building. That's a lightfoot. That's it Council member Fernandez. So is this a meeting that the council can and should attend, or is this a meeting that staff just wants to reach out to the neighborhood members, counsel is welcome to attend, uh, whether you should or not it's up to you but but I mean the expectation it's noticed, I mean, it's been noticed. This meeting has been noticed correctly, um, and it's open to the public, uh obviously I, I wouldn't anticipate the majority of the folks there will be residents in that on that street. Um, yes, but it's so you're welcome to. Twitter. OK. It, it is, I, I'll be there. I mean, everybody's welcome. It is staff run though it's not a council-driven. That's correct, yes, basically it's, it's run sort of like a a a. Presentation for a project it's it's a staff-driven meeting. Any questions for Mr. B regarding his report? If not City attorney report. I have nothing to report. Nothing to report. Good, well you've been quiet tonight. Anything else to come before the council tonight everybody happy holidays and happy New Year. We'll see everybody in January, I think. You should have an event. You good? Just want to go home. I don't blame you. We will, we will stand adjourned.