we'll call the meeting to order um Council anything before we start no okay Mr be right thank you Mr Mayor members of council good morning uh welcome to the fourth budget Workshop of the fy2 Season uh today we're going to be speaking about our special revenue and Enterprise funds uh there's a lot of detail in today's presentation and of course you have in your backup all the spreadsheets if you have any specific questions that won't be addressed in the actual slides Mr Ingram and his staff are here to uh pick those up for you if you if you'd like to inquire Mr be we I do want to mention I have I have a hard stop at 11: today I have to go to a Tamp visit Tampa Bay meeting so I don't know how long this is going to go but okay hopefully not till 11: that would be that would be a bad sign for me that would be yes okay thank you um so uh we're going to talk about most of the funds today particularly obviously the ones that impact the public in terms of rates and the ones obviously that they projects and equipment and things of of that nature so let's start with our water and sewer Utility Fund which we know as for fund 410 we have two uh construction projects program in fy2 it's the first is actually phase one of three this is a total estimated project of $6 million uh phase one is 2 million in fy2 it's the banck burn Downs Avenue Glenn Arvin water main construction project we are also uh planning to pursue a cdbg project on North 54 Street to do a water main design and permiting and water main construction there for 300 50,000 in this same fund we're looking to acquire several pieces of equipment the first is a front-end loader for $260,000 the utility department does not have a front end loader and when we have for example watermain brakes and removing dirt and and pipe and things like that it would be helpful to have this also when we have storms not just hurricanes but you know bad thunderstorm comes through there's debris and things like that that this would be this this would help uh facilitate the cleanup uh we're also looking to acquire a Freightliner truck for $125,000 this would replace a um uh 12-year-old F550 truck that we have today the F550 um due to its age and also probably just the the capacity of things we're trying to move around the city it really struggles it's also extremely fuel inefficient um if we acquire this truck this truck the freight liner to give you a visual would be comparable to the cab of our ambulances so that that's what it's it's like the F550 we'd probably put into reserve and use it sporadically as needed and if we found that at some point it was no longer required we would auction it off also looking to acquire an SUV for $60,000 currently we have a pickup truck that is used by the department director as well as the city engineer uh in addition over the last year or so because now we have a robust engineering staff they're all using this one pickup truck and so uh we'd like to acquire an SUV to facilitate some of their efficiencies and getting out into the field and the utility building function of of this dep of this um uh fun of this utility I should say uh we have a meter reader Truck 2008 GMC Canyon you've probably seen it go around the city uh it's old it's got some mechanical issues uh so we'd like to replace that that vehicle for $335,000 also looking to acquire a hydraulic pipe saw uh push camera to replace our existing push camera push camera is this is a actual a camera that goes into the pipe it's on a rigid cable it's really works for sort of short length pipe wider diameter pipe um and the one we have is no longer functioning and looking to acquire a utility billing printer to replace what we have in the office here um on the first floor in terms of the actual water treatment facility we have several initiatives programmed the first is the water treatment facility study uh we're required to do these studies from time to time we we just finished one for the Wastewater side of our system starting in 25 we'll do the water this will take likely more than one year to complete and this study once it's complete we'll have a series of recommendations which will feed our future Capital program for the water treatment facility um it's programmed at $300,000 in the intrum before we get to that Capital program the facility does need building improvements certain things break down or certain things need to be repainted or rehabed Etc we are programming 3 $50,000 to do that these dollars likely very likely will not all be spent in FY 25 but we want to put the pot of money there it will carry over so they can continue to do these repairs until we actually get the capital program outlined and we move forward with some sort of an initiative we are also proposing to install a security camera system for $25,000 at the plant Carlos why does the facility study costs so much you could walk go through that whole plant in a week I mean what why is that take I'd have to defer to Mr tinch to answer that question it just seems like a lot of money to go through that it does seem like a lot of money but if you think about what they're going to be doing uh Mr Mayor they're going to evaluate the entire treatment system as well as like the pump Fields look at options for future treatment like maybe r or UV so there's additional treatment options that they'll be evaluating um and as with if you recall the the Wastewater side we just wrapped up phase two and each of those phases were $200,000 each so we felt like due to the increase that we've been seeing in cost for uh services for Engineering Services that the 300,000 would be a good placeholder if it comes in less that would be great uh but we feel like that's a pretty solid number for now how often is that required um it I don't think there's a statutory requirement for the water plant to be evaluated but to my knowledge the plant has not been evaluated in at least the last 15 20 years the plant is getting older the treatment process is also um show starting to show some age and there are a lot of new things on the horizon regarding microplastics and things of that nature that people are that we're starting to look at that W potentially going to need to treat for and treatment for those microplastics are going to be very expensive so that will also be something that will be evalu ated during this process they're called posos um so those things are if you know much about posos they're basically everywhere in everything in the rain snow um so they're trying to get that those levels to something that they feel like is safe and it's PPT not parts per thousand but parts per trillion so that process could be very laborious and costly so that's something that we'll also be evaluating when we go through this process with some of the what we know what's coming down the pipe from EPA and evaluating what proper um treatment processes would need to be in place to address that issue okay thanks anything okay thank TR thank you so with those uh initiatives in mind I draw your attention now to the performer this is a 5-year performer for the water and sewer fund we are making assumptions of growth which are noted at the sort of the top of this of this chart so 3% growth uh anticipated for fiscal years 25 and 26 2% for 27 and 28 and then 1% for 29 if you'll look at the bottom of the last row you'll see that that ratio of fund balanced operational expenses we try to keep the floor at 25% not go under it if we can avoid it and it does stay at 25 this is basically inclusive of a 5% rate increase each of the next 5 years is what this is calling for any questions on that no I thought we were I was hoping we were getting away from the repetitive increases every year I thought we had some significant and I thought they were going to kind of taper off so you'll actually see that in sanitation which is kind of ironic based on some of our experiences of the last year what we see here in water and sewer and and Jim and his team Mr Ingram and his team worked really hard at this is there's a lot of capital A lot of pent up Capital that needs to be addressed and he actually massaged it to move the capital around strategically to allow us to stay at this level uh because it it was a little tougher I mean you can the plant for example what Mr tinch was alluding to so the plant was built in 1979 a lot of the distribution system is old um there's new the P I can tell you right now from experience up north that if we are uh mandated to do p mitigation that will cost a tremendous amount of money um because the regulations are so stringent that they're actually not even scientifically supported but there's been a lot of reaction to that emotional reaction and so communities are being saddled with those costs so uh this could change obviously I mean you from year to year we Revis the pro fora so if we see that we're getting better growth um also obviously once we uh if we get any new development things like that it add to our our growth numbers in terms of customers but right now the Horizon we don't see a tremendous amount of that there will be for example one apartment complex that may be developed over the next couple of years that we know of that'll add a significant amount of customers um but that's why our projections are where they are in terms of being conservative and growth okay now we're going to talk about fund 430 which we call the renewal and replacement fund uh for the public this is basically a a holding fund it's fed financially from the water and sewer utility it's where a lot of the capital goes for equipment and things like that for our our distribution system so uh there's three slides here so ask for your patience as I go through all of these so we've got a um six $7,500 for air release valve replacement again these are periodic equipment needs uh1 15,000 for an electrical distribution breaker starter replacement we have panels that allot all our lift stations that need to be looked at from time to to time 15,000 for wear plates so I learned what a wear plate is um so wear plate metal plates that are used basically to combat the effects of sand in our reactor uh but because that sand is there's that gray they it's very abrasive so the plates wear out after a period of time so they need to be replaced we also have 25,000 programmed to rebuild turbine pumps so we have over 20 Wells with pumps periodically they need to be addressed we have 40,000 to Place flow meters in our system and 50,000 to rebuild our water supply Wells we also have 50,000 for a line stopping program so this is another thing I've learned what line stopping is so um if you know for example every so often unfortunately we'll have a water main brake uh if it's something that can be handled by what's the infrastructure that's already on the pipe with nominal repair that's the easier repair however there are times when we have to actually stop the line close the line off cut the line bring in a whole new valve connection Etc that's what this would be for this $50,000 we have $60,000 for a valve replacement program again ongoing uh improvements to the to the system $80,000 for a submersible lift station pump $25,000 for miscellaneous Lift Station electrical components $200,000 for continued sewer main rehab and lining this is a yearly program uh where we actually come in and put that sort of synthetic line through this sewer pipes to prolong their life uh $75,000 to rehabilitate our manholes so we have, 1900 I learned this too 19935 manholes in the city um and every year we have to rehabilitate a certain amount of those and then we have $85,000 for a uh flow meter at lift station B to conclude fund 430 uh we are planning for design and permitting of a replacement of the gravity main we call it here Queensway and fer this is actually the service that provides uh gravity main gravity sewers to the west side of terresa Arbor um so this is 100,000 next year you'll see the actual construction for this amount for this project we're also proposing to replace the aerial sewer pipe on South River Hills Drive this pipe actually runs from Riverside Park heads flows easterly through the new area that we proposed for our new park on South River Hills uh Troy will will be working with Carl as part of the whole design effort as how how they relocate the sewer and what they do with it uh we are also proposing to continue funding for the lift station at riverrun that rehab construction last year we had $450,000 which was sort of the first slug of investment uh this year is the additional 300 which will close that project out and we have $125,000 programmed as a match for a grant uh Troy's worked very hard to get a grant from the state to harden the Wastewater maintenance shed over at the uh treatment facility uh this match is likely to come down this number because as they progress through the grant process the actual Grant amount looks like it'll be less so our match will be less as well uh but this would probably be the max that we'd be obligated to put into that investment all right turning our attention now to sanitation so again I want to um recognize Mr warrenfeltz and Mr Munoz the sanitation manager for all the great work that they've done a year ago and when we talked about sanitation at these very same Workshops the picture looked pretty bleak I think now the picture is it's a 180 I mean we're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel uh both those gentlemen have worked extremely hard to acquire new accounts we have over 40 new trash accounts they are closing the deal with Amazon the Amazon fulfillment center to add them as a customer to our our service routes uh Mr also uh brought his experience from the private sector and actually has software that allows us to do root optimization so when we talk about being a high performance organization one of the things is you know trying to figure out where our inefficiencies are what can we improve on so that root optim optimization program allows him to figure out okay how can we get our drivers the quickest amount of time to these to these different locations also reduces fuel consumption and things like that so that's definitely something that hadn't been done in the past uh we have made significant strides to improve impr our billing practices um you'll all remember that a year ago uh when Mr warrenfield started he identified over 5502 delinquent accounts that some of them were extremely delinquent and uh him and his team have worked through all of those so today those accounts are all gone every month we may have a small handful but those are just regular sort of delinquencies you expect in any billing cycle and those are addressed very quickly so in light of all these improvements uh we feel comfortable making a request for uh staff and some capital which is outlined as follows uh looking to add a driver collector one position which is between wages Fringe payroll tax and everything total is about $69,000 also looking to acquire with cash this is not going to be a loan like last year this is his cash would be a commercial frontload truck at $400,000 and a commercial rolloff truck at $300,000 now this goes to the adage you have to spend money to make money if you saw it the first thing I mentioned is we have over 40 new accounts we're picking up Amazon um we have trucks in our Fleet in our sanitation Fleet which are 24 years old and uh on any given day if we have six trucks on the road three of them are in the shop um and so it's just a challenge we need to make sure we update our Fleet we hadn't done that for years we started last year this is going to be a continuing process now because now like I said we see the positive end of this of this journey right we're starting to see that we're going to get customers we've we've measured out we're going to get new Revenue you'll see that with a proforma um so we feel comfortable again re recommending that these purchases be made uh we're also looking to acquire a Ford F-150 pickup truck for $65,000 currently there's one pickup that uh Jason drives Mr Muno drives and other folks in the sanitation uh Department my my Division I should say we use this would add a vehicle because we all see Jason's always out in the field Joe's out in the field so this would facilitate them getting getting around can we go back to that for a second Carlos so I see we're buying two trucks one but they're both commercial I mean are we doing I know our Fleet is old um I'm trying to get a sense of where we are for like the the rearload residential trucks I mean are we I I know there's times for a variety of reasons whether it's shortage of crew or the incinerator going down and the travel time is more or the trucks are broken but I know there's a whole range of reasons but I know there are times when there are significant delays either picking up late in the day or picking up missing a day or I'm trying to get a sense for our Fleet is our Fleet a major driving cause of this are we with the addition of these two trucks are we going to be okay I mean I know we don't love to have all brand new trucks but I mean are we where are we on the spectrum of everything's brand new and we're driving relics right so uh yeah we're closer to the driving Relic side of that Spectrum than everything's brand new so um there's a few things going on here so last year we ordered a uh Ray before he left Mr LeBlanc had recommended ordering a recycling truck and a grapple truck uh they've acquired those those Vehicles we still haven't even seen the vehicles they're still on back order like everything else so we're still waiting on that so yep yep we are um these vehicles here would probably take some time I know Jason's looking they they've looked to buy things just off a lot forget about customization forget about already just going to law and saying I'll just take that and I'll make it work because this is what I I just need to get going as to your question about the residential yes absolutely we're going to need to replace our residential trucks also but what I was getting at is that we the fund and you'll see this the fund can't afford to do everything right now I mean we're we're not hitting our reserves with this these Acquisitions you're going to see in a second that our Reserve number is below 25% but we can accept that because when you look out in the out years with new revenue from these new accounts we're we're in a better position so we'll get above 25% within a couple of years um but we got to do it slow we can't afford to just buy all the trucks that we want right now if Jason had his way I'm sure he'd love it like he'd order 10 trucks and and and everything so we're trying to be selective commercial is uh it's a big Revenue generator for for any any solid waste system we saw that last year one session was in place you know all these the bill to they wanted to pull all the commercial away from the cities uh because that's where you're generate a lot of the fund that helps us to offset some of our residential um expenses so he's trying to be strategic with his uh Acquisitions to find out like where can we get the most bank for our buck right now build up the fund get it to a place that now a year from now now we have more money now we can start talking about let's get some residential trucks in our inventory okay okay with sanitation so again same growth assumptions we had for water and waste water here you'll notice that along the the top of the chart um and you'll see as I mentioned a second ago the ratio of fund balance to operational expenses the first two years FY 25 and 26 it's it's below 25% but then it does go um it hits 25% for the remainder of the last three years also want to point out because of the all the work we've talked about here if you look at the rate increases again these are just tentative right now in the out years but this is how we're projecting we're looking at 5% this year rate increase 5% possibly next year but then it goes down so it's going 4% 3% and 3% again because once these accounts start to generate more more Revenue into the system once we get our our trucks everything aligned properly I think we're going to be in a much healthier Financial picture at that point um so that that will hopefully be better for all our residents can I ask a question oh I'm sorry yes I'm looking this looking at the screen yes please so with regard to I know we talked about this a little while ago but we weren't talking about Enterprise funds in our previous um so with regard to the Tipping fees that we need to pay to the county for Waste Disposal or incinerator whatever are the anticipated I obviously you know what is going to be the cost for next year but are we guessing at the future costs meaning we don't really know exactly what the rates will be in the future or are we do we have an agreement from the county that the rates are going to be whatever for the next 10 years let me ask Mr Mr Warfield to come up because I do believe we have there is an agreement in place at least the head several years out I just don't know if it can speak to whether it's 10 years or maybe it's just a couple more years left in that agreement so as I know in years past we've had huge increases in those tipping fees morning Mr mayor council morning um we have an agreement with their annual um Mr Munos has already inquired what the expected increases will be from some of the facilities um 5 to 8% is what we are expecting from the county facilities but I will tell you that we have uh we have shopped um collection sites to try and maximize our budget um one of those facilities will have a 53% increase October 1st so um we're still doing our homework um and and we truck to when I arrived in October we had three locations that we delivered materials to solid waste yard waste things like that currently we have six um we're continually to evaluate and find new places to to haul the solid waste and the yard waste too so um those increases obviously we won't go there as much they'll they'll become a backup location um example if the incinerator closes we have to have a backup location to take the solid waste to so yeah I mean the performa looks good um I looked at that I I talked with Mr Munos and you know we'll be okay we just have to continually shop and make sure that we're taking the truck to the to the best location okay so this basically though it's not like with the um wastewater treatment fees from the city of Tampa where we do have a long-term dollar expectation this is going this could potentially change from year to year in location to location as as you find one location might be better one year one location might be better the next year absolutely and some of the changes we see midy year um Republic Services had a 8% seven 7 and a half% increase in January for us that we were not expecting and that's when we really started to shop and find other locations and uh Mr munus is doing a great job uh he sent me one yes Friday he sent me one Friday and the rate's great and I was okay set that account up and let's see if we can't get some material to them um we're doing everything we can to keep the the hauling fees low okay thank you Mr Tamers thank you um will the incinerator still be our main uh dropping off point for for residential solid was yes yes because that's a big selling point to talk to our residents about that yes even even if the plastic bottle doesn't make it to recycling it goes to the incinerator and produces electricity correct we're still keeping that as our number one target absolutely yeah mostly what we shop is the the construction demolition debris and the class three materials which is mattresses sofas and and things of that nature that's what we shop the most because we can find and we have found multiple spots that'll take that okay thank you not really related to the budget we're talking about but since you're standing there so I know there's a lot of public benefit to having this service but I also know there's a lot of inefficiencies and a lot of abuse to it and I'm just wondering have you taken a look at our annual residential yearly pickup like you can throw anything you want on the curb and we'll pick it up once a year with the claw truck I know there's a lot of abuse to that I know landlords will often gut and a rental property and then haul if they've used the pickup service for that property they'll haul it to another property they own you know and you've got cabinets and beds and furniture and is that something that's on your radar or is um it is so I would say since I've been here I've not seen abuse uh the office staff do a an incredible job of getting questions to me of this doesn't seem right or they have I mean they're long-term residents of the city that that work in our office that they know what has happened before um some of the things that might have been it's okay and that's not how we operate that's you know if it's correct it's correct and we you know we'll we'll take it as they are allowed to and permitted to so I would say there's no abuse there I mean the bul collection truck is extremely busy um but he's also effective and efficient and we don't for the most part have material sitting around days in a row 24 to 48 hours and then that stuff off the street and out of the way I'm glad to hear I know there has been abuse in the past it may predate maybe that's straightened out but I do know um so good okay and even the drivers I mean the drivers are very good they pull up to a site and have a question if you know Joe and I can't answer we go there and we investigate and and we get to the you know to the bottom of it and mostly and I think some of what Maya was H happening before and we're still trying to curb it is they were mixing materials for us that's expensive to dispose of in a mixed capacity where the office staff are asking please separate these materials because our trucks can go to multiple locations for different rates and and that helps us good thank you very much may can I have him address your question just in case he wants to elaborate on the question about the residential TR trash trucks and the approach here that we've got in terms of buying the commercial ones first so first I'll say the commercial trucks the one of the vehicles that's proposed we've been renting a truck for 9 months um and the reason we've been doing that is because the commercial Fleet the front Lo fleet was is dated um and it's extremely busy so we need three trucks to run every we need three trucks to run twice a week we have two trucks that run 5 days a week so that other truck is a hit or miss whether we're going to be able to provide that service or not um the rental truck is sitting here as our as our true backup um excuse me the residential trucks there are six of them um since I've been here there's been one that's been on blocks um looking for a repair we we finally acquired the part it is the last of the parts this is a 19-year-old truck that is looking for a part that is not produced anymore so the fleet manager did a did a great job um after you know some conversations with me he found the part I think it was in Texas we got it shipped over again they're busy so we need to get that thing installed and and then that truck will be up and back on the road um one of the and I'm just I'm going to digress here for one second one of the challenges in its equipment City Citywide is all these vehicles sit outside in the sun and and I'm I'm going here something I haven't said to Mr B yet but these residential trucks they're out all day in the sun they Park in the sun on on the weekends and so what we're seeing the most of is is hydraulic leaks from the lines and that's because they're sitting in the sun and they get used a lot and they're under pressure so um the downtime maximum downtime we have for one of those is is 2 days um but we do have a spare truck or two at times where we can run them around so the delays some of the delay we see is a staffing challenge um we use a lot of temps so when and and sometimes they're not available so we run into if we only have one or two then the trucks slow down so there's multiple factors to that but the residential trucks they're a lot better than they were actually I mean the fleet is um Fleet mechanics are doing a good job so we have a 19-year-old garbage truck residential truck mhm uh two two of them yeah have two two 19-year-old garbage trucks M so that alone is a testament to your shop mechanics that they can keep these trucks going 19 years with the way a garbage truck is used so please tell them we mention that we we don't take the defibrillator pads off they stay on yeah I mean we're starting to get close to antique plate sucks 19 years on a residential garbage truck is amazing so the solid green ones the solid green trucks you see those are the those are the old ones okay anything Council thank you Jason thank you for the work that you do okay um so moving on to uh question I'm I'm assuming I would get which is about glass recycling so as as the community knows we had glass recycling till several years ago um the market at the time uh started to crash in the in in terms of recycling glass what I last year I asked Ry to look into this and I've asked Mr warfel say well just periodically where are we with this so the marketplace is very very limited it's little to no Market uh in fact what Jason found is that manufacturers of glass bottles and jars things like that they actually don't want to use recycled product it costs them more it's it messes up their system it's better for them just to do things from scratch uh the other issue that complicates this is depending for example on the color of the glass some glass because of its coloration is not recyclable versus others or doesn't have the same value so that that creates a problem so if we were to start this the council said yes we still want to go ahead and do it it would be all cost to the city there's no rebate because there's no Market here um we would not recommend doing a curbside uh because the co-mingling and the way our trucks oriented today that would create more issues for us so if we did want to do it we'd have to do drop off locations maybe one or two drop off locations a couple of challenges with those obviously people would have to go there you know they wouldn't have a curb site more importantly uh if you've ever seen these kind of drop off locations anywhere they become trash collection areas people just throw out their household trash if they throw a household trash into these bins then the whole bin is ruined and we're just going to throw it out um so again if Council wants us to do it we're open to it we can do it but we're going to run into a lot of it's going to be basically a lot of headwinds if we do want to pursue it so I I have a question about that and really hate to even be talking about it because this comes up and once it starts in the community it starts and then it dies down for a year and then it starts again and and so I get it we've been through this many many times and and um in fact I was talking to a friend of mine who's a mayor of a city in California recently where they have this value added tax and all that I mean they have a complex system and you know they'll send you to prison for throwing a glass bottle away and you know it's just about so I asked him what they do with their material and he said well we don't talk about that and I said well okay we're not talking about it so and so I'm not going to tell you where he's from but I said what do you do with it they crush it up and put it in trucks and haul it to Nevada where it goes in a landfill oh my God and so it's he says it's a big shell game but in California that's what what's expected the community would never let us throw glass away so we throw it away in Nevada I've read that actually and many locations um not just glass but other items that people put in their recycling bin are actually just relocated from the recycling truck takes them somewhere and then that place takes that to a landfill somewhere so I guess the the question um is every once in a while when it comes up we get told um you know oh this county has it or this city recycles glass how do they do it um I we just had some more clarity on the answer and I think the answer probably is they just suck it up and pay the money to recycle the glass and take it to somebody um but that's what we get hit with as elected officials is well ex this city does it or that County does it how come we can't do it and and um so if that's the answer if we could just get some sense of will it cost you know $200 a ton or whatever it cost if you want to pay that but I don't think most people want to pay that so correct so it is it is cost I mean it's in because there isn't much of a market as your comments allude to um you're you're basically what you're doing is in that instance what what they're doing is kind really counterproductive because they have their generic waste stream it'd be cheaper for them them to just put everything in their generic waist stream goes to to Mr chambers's point it goes to the incinerator so it's not going in a landfill anyway right so if you're so if you're splitting it up and a lot of the product as we found here a lot of the product is going to end up in the waist stream you're paying extra to do that whole process and it's still going to end up in a lot of it will still end up in the same place so that's the issue so this is really more of a um it's kind of a community philosophical issue are you willing to accept that you're going to pay more it's going to be inefficient and a lot of the product is not guaranteed to ever be recycled but you're telling yourself that it is being quote unquote recycled and that's what it comes down to and um from a financial efficiency perspective we've been talking about making sanitation a very efficient operation it doesn't make sense to us to do it but again this is a community decision through an elected Council decision if you feel strongly that this is where we want us to you want us to go then we'll we'll look to pursue something okay to expand on that I mean I get this question you know not a lot but mayor's correct sometimes it just somebody will mention it and then next thing it's all over tumble Terrace Bolton board and it just blows up and I don't really have great answers you know I mean maybe that's my fault but if you said does Tampa recycle I can't give you a good answer so maybe if we had some of that information that that would help I I was thinking about a big long explanation on our we City website that people can go to that we could refer to but then again that keeps it out front and that doesn't make it go away you know every now and then it goes away for a while so I don't know but I'd like to have some more information you know what's in the surrounding area if we were to recycle glass and you say it would be additional cost where would that go who would be the where would we take it you know what company around here you know the cost to ship to Nevada is pretty expensive from here so you know what would be the options and then what the public if the public knew some of the options then maybe it wouldn't blow up so much so Mr warrenfeltz actually probably has some of those answers so if you wouldn't mind could I have them come up you don't have to give it now but it would be like maybe in a Friday report or something that I just need to know more because every now and then I do get those questions why doesn't tumble Terrace recycle Tampa does I can't answer if Tampa does or not vice mayor I I like the idea of making sure we have numbers and an explanation but is this the only slide we have about recycling or is there is there more no this is the only Okay so question is about the cardboard recycling and the kind of supplementary plastic and other materials recycling I know that there was some kind of agreement with The Local Company about the cardboard recycling which allowed us to bring in some Revenue a small amount of Revenue that sort of offset the cost of the recycling program and kind of as a perk they also took our Plastics and metals as well and is that an agreement that's still in place with the local company or um is there something else going on in that in that um Arena okay I'm going to have ask ask Jason to come up to answer that yes vice mayor the the the agreement as its aged is still in place but we follow the market value so the recycling truck that ride through the city they do not go to uh Waste Recovery um they go to a specific recycler which the city does receive a rebate for all the materials that we Haul in there um the cardboard is a valuable commodity um we have been asked for cardboard um so we Haul cardboard there daily um two to three trucks a day go in there with cardboard so thank you um I I will say that I had a lot of questions about recycling when I was new to council and I even had a of that facility and I asked the the manager there some questions and um I was curious about the numbers about how it um offset the costs of the recycling program and I was told that there was no contract it was just a handshake and a wink um that that went on between uh this company so I was wondering um what what is the nature of the agreement with this company and how does it offset the cost of the recycling program so the revenue or the rebate that we received see from there it it's a small number uh compared to what we expend for fuel and Manpower and Equipment um those and I'll give you an example yesterday that one of the rebate checks came in and it was right around $700 so that's probably a week's worth of of material right so it it it kind of pays the employee to to help us out but um you know as far as the agreement I can I I've seen it once um but I can get a copy of that and I can share with you um and and maybe we do need to update that but it's working um and we are getting rebates for it and and they they give us some latitude on when we are there so it's not a 24-hour facility but we have 24-hour access so um might have been a handshake in a wi years ago but I definitely will look into it a little deeper cool thank you and I think that that's important for the public to know also is that we have this um recycling program that we go through a lot of effort to make make sure we're able to maintain um a strong cardboard and other materials um program in the community because it's important to have recycling um but anyway thank you for that I to follow up real quick sure so U Back back to that so our recycling program runs at a loss or is subsidized by the sanitation fees it's residential garbage yes okay that would be nice to know about a number in there okay at some point Point don't need it today but it would be nice to say yes we do this for our community and our residents it's optional for them to put it in the recycling bins but it runs at a loss because some people out there think we make tons of money on the recycling yeah we we do not um even the commercial recycling so we have cardboard commercial bins at businesses throughout the city those are no charge Services they give us their cardboard we get a little bit of a rebate back from that um but we Supply the bins we Supply the truck and the Manpower so yes it all operates at a loss okay is that I mean I don't I don't want to give him work um you know unless the rest of us agree that you might want those numbers I I don't personally I don't care as much about the numbers because they change anyway quite a bit but my thought is um and I'm not a marketing guy so you guys have to talk this around with our team and see whether this is a good idea or not don't do it just cuz I think it's a good idea but there are a lot of people in our city who are very passionate about Recycling and they about the glass and about the you know this is just V really really important to a lot of people in our city and I'm just wondering if on our website if we had a tab somewhere concerning recycling that talks on a level about you know recycling does not pay it's part of the the city's expectation the community's expectation is we want curbside recycling and a lot of people ask about single stream and we have to explain every so often why we can't do single stream then they'll ask about glass and and these emails take me a long time to write and and um because there's a lot to talk about I'm wondering if a tab on the website that talks about the recycling program maybe in a little more depth and to point out to people that we don't make money on this this is actually operates at a loss but we think it's worth doing and our our trash goes to the incinerator reinforce that idea and then have a bold tab why doesn't Temple Terrace recycle glass and go into that that might I mean I don't want to cause you work but we do get feedback from the community and I've been in office 8 years and I've been getting this for eight years and um now oh blink on the website's not going to make that go away but it might be somewhere it can certainly shorten the length of time I have to write the email I can say here's the link and this has all the you know um if you could talk that around at least no we can do that in fact we're about to revamp over the next month revamping our our website it's getting an upgrade good that is a good time to include that so Joel is in the back of the room I'm sure he's taking notes right now to add that as one of the work items is that I I don't want to ask them to do something unless the council concur I think it's fine um the downside to any of this stuff I think there's more upsides but the downside is you get it out there and people see it and they just like I bet you a dollar if Carlos didn't have the recycling slide we wouldn't have been talking about this today yeah I know but I I I I I know exactly what you're saying saying in your right but I always think it's better to air in the side of oh sure I agree that's what I you know I asked for that a little bit ago you know some some maybe something on the website so I think it's a great idea it helps because then you can just say it's all you don't want to say well it's on the website but yeah but you could we're not hiding anything on so I mean the point of recycling the purpose would be to reuse materials and not produce new with the thought process being reusing uses less energy and is is a better is a more efficient way but when that's not the case when there's no desire for the reused material then because it costs it actually uses more resources and costs more to produce from a reused product versus starting from scratch then it makes no sense to recycle that product you're actually counter Environ un unfriendly environmentally so I don't have an issue at all with putting that putting something on the website that would explain because if you a lot of people if they want to recycle they're looking at trying to be more environmentally friendly to use resources more wisely but again if the Recycled product actually uses more resources then that's not a wise use and that's not environmentally friendly and it doesn't make sense to do so I I don't have any issue with even though it may open a discussion that people weren't really thinking about I think I I don't have any issue putting something on the website that gives a little more background to why Temple Terrace chooses to recycle certain materials versus others vice mayor no I don't have any good so just a little Aster by this if Gil Gil is not here I'm sure he'll be watching this though if he has any objections or comments or input on this we would revisit this before we move forward so if Gil gives us any if he thinks of something we're not thinking of I want to make sure that we give him an opportunity to so okay okay but you're glad you put that slide in there huh trying to get ahead of it now I regret it so yes that's fine um let's talk about Fleet so our Fleet fund um this is another thing that I think we're we're we're proud of in terms of making some changes so um this year uh in the budget or actually organizationally in in the org chart we have a we have mechanics and we have a fleet Tech the fleet Tech was ostensibly meant to be sort of like the inventory control Parts ordering man for the for the fleet position the person that was incumbent in that position they left the city at that time Jason uh looked at this and with with Eddie our fleet manager and they looked at it and they thought you know what we've got certain needs that aren't being met by the way this job description was laid out we we may need to change it so for example paperwork you can imagine we just talked about the trucks being in the shop and things like that well our mechanics are full out they're always working on these on these vehicles and they've made a lot of improvements because For the First Time long time we're fully staffed but the thing that was drawing us down um was a negative was bills inventory orders things like that they nobody was really focusing on that as much as they should because again these folks were working out in the shop so uh we have converted the fleet Tech position to an admin assistant position that was done already um and we filled it now and now we're starting to see significant there they're getting through all those old bills they're getting through the inventory much better control now there's still some work that needs to be be done but we're again on the right path um mentioned a second ago our vehicle downtime because our mechanics are fully staffed now significantly reduced uh I think if you ask any of our department directors particularly if you ask in fire with their vehicles usually would take a you know tremendous amount of time I think those those days of waiting for the vehicles to come back have have dramatically changed um and what we're looking to request in fy2 is to bring on an entry level mechanic to do preventive M maintenance largely like oil changes basic stuff so this is not somebody who needs to be you know certified you know all kinds of ASC certifications um that would be a total between wages and Fringe payroll taxes maybe like $669,500 on the on the top end of um of of the wages but that would allow them to focus on that preventative side allow the mechanics we have today to really focus again on the big repairs you know when an ambulance breaks down it's a specialized repair one of trash trucks got issues like Jason was talking about tracking down parts from Texas or whatever it is that's a lot more timec consuming and so it frees them up if somebody else can do all the preventative stuff to get those Vehicles out of the shop and back on the street that's a new FTE or a re class of an existing this would be an additional additional FTE now based on INF Fleet I I have a question oh yes um how is the fleet fund funded is that a uh basically administrative fee from every operation that uses the Fleet Services you want to address it so it's uh it's basically a two-prong appro approach uh when a vehicle goes into the fleet shop they uh and they do work on it they will write up a ticket uh whether they do it inhouse or they have to send it somewhere else they write up a ticket they enter it in the system when we generate reports monthly or sometimes quarterly it will charge uh an the expenditures whether it's a part if it's outside commercial labor or in-house commercial labor it will charge back to the department that the vehicle belongs to so we always have in our budget you'll see there's uh some lines for that for each department that alone does not pay 100% for Fleet so the other the second prong is each fund uh the Water and Sewer utility the sanitation and the general fund pay uh a quarterly amount an annual the amount that we determine in the budget that will make the the fleet fund whole at the end of the year and U that is based on a percentage of uh use so sanitation actually pays the same amount as water and sewer because even though it's a smaller fund their Fleet uh needs are are are uh are pretty substantial and general fund pays the most because we we have a lot of vehicles in general fund especially with police so that's how that's how it's funded we always try you know we have to make sure at the end of the year it's at least at zero at least at a breaking point we have talked about just in addition to that uh Jason and I have talked about uh with this new mechanic a new FTE the the idea the plan is to be able to get more work done inhouse which is less costly for us and not as much sometimes you have to send things out because we just don't have the expertise but sometimes it's also because we just don't have the Manpower the labor um available to get it turned around quickly uh so that's the plan and we're hoping that will increase our our labor fees uh from the Departments and at the same time decrease some of our operational cost thank you you're welcome I have one question yes Mr team just not not with you but probably Jason or somebody just real quick so when when to get the new mechanic do we have enough Bays do we not have enough Works Space you can just say yeah just shake your head it's fine his indication was yes so for the record yeah okay uh moving on now to fund 130 which is our street Improvement fund uh focusing on storm water projects so the first three bullet points here are going to look very familiar to the council these are the arper projects that have sort of been progressing along um as we've gotten closer and start to make inroads on these projects either design engineering or getting ready to to build one of the things that's become apparent is that like everything else cost more than they were anticipated three years ago when we first got these these arpa dollars so um these amounts here are actually uh additional amounts to those original projects and the but these additional amounts are coming from arpa so what happened for example is there was an arpa project that we decided not to pursue uh it was actually a storm water project but it was dealing once we looked at it it was really dealing more with the golf course it was a really storm water issue that was really Germaine mostly to the golf course and it had had a little bit bleed over into the right of way um and that project in light of some of the other concerns in terms of how much we had to do and things like that we decided we're not going to pursue that one at this time uh using some of those dollars again to offset the costs for these three which are sort of which AR sort of but which are important to to move forward on um so that's the direction we're going there I just want to make it clear these are arpa dollars for arper projects also looking uh to acquire uh $25,000 for submersible pump replacements uh $75,000 to do the design of a storm water system for Brentwood Drive in South River Hills in that general area looking to replace our current bulk pickup truck so we have a bulk claw truck in uh in streets and they're looking to replace that vehicle uh for $325,000 we're also programming $150,000 to do um the Chicago Springdale pond maintenance which is dredging um so going back to we talked about the aerial sewer working coordinated with Carl this is something else we' want to coordinate with Carl uh to make sure that we dredge this in in the way that's appropriate to whatever design we're going to do ultimately for that for that area but um this is programmed because it does need to be to be done that's pretty silted up that area so either way whether we ever did the park or not we would have to do this so are we I always get nervous about these timetables with Federal funding and state funding and are we on track for all the or of money to be CU this engineering everything just takes forever to get something done and and I guess it's the design and the engineering or whatever but we we've had this we've never it's years before you see anybody with a shovel right right so uh we have been providing the council with those quarterly reports on the arer projects the every indication we've gotten from Mr tinin we can ask him to come up if you'd like is that yes we know that we haven't really seen a lot of dirt turn but the uh when he plans out and he has the calendar of the way this is thing is going to roll out we still meet the deadline um if You' like him to come up he can address the specifics I know every time you bring it up I feel the same way back because we didn't spend it I mean right okay the uh second element of the street Improvement fund are sidewalks so these numbers will be familiar these numbers are plug numbers every year so we we set aside $20,000 for ADA compliance in case we have a concern about um um uh you know approaches to sidewalks and things like that tip Downs uh $440,000 for design and permitting again a standard number recurring number uh $250,000 for construction to allow us to address those those sidewalk needs throughout the year we have $100,000 here for the South River Hills wooden bridge this is the sidewalk that's been out of commission for a while this is also another item that's tied into the park Improvement so right now uh we're we're going to coordinate with Carl and and that team because if that design contemplates moving that sidewalk somehow through the park then we wouldn't replace this wooden bridge um but if it if it doesn't in other words if if it still makes sense to keep that sidewalk the way it is we'd want to use these dollars for that I would think we'd have to because if you're don't visiting the park you're just walking down River Hills it could be it could be I just wanted to put it out there for the council it is one of the things we're going to be looking at uh we're also looking to extend the sidewalk and Telecom uh park there is a um sort of a gap in sidewalk there that's been recognized before so we programming dollars to do that the last element of the street Improvement fund are actually roadway Investments uh the first item resurfacing uh Council will know last several years we've done $750,000 a year uh this year we're doubling that to a million5 uh because the cost of resurfacing is in essence doubled as well um a million5 will probably buy us and I hate to say this it sounds awful but it only buys you about two miles a little two between two and two and a half miles of of resurfacing um our our street network is about 80 miles so this will allow us to get to a street probably once every 30 years or so uh if we keep on this pace and as the costs increase we may have to increase this number as well right now we feel like a million and a half is a good spot to to be um so that that's the plan moving forward in terms of uh we also have signage upgrades and replacement these are standard cost items for $50,000 we have payment markings for $50,000 and I want to give the council an update on this item so last year we put 50,000 in the fy2 24 budget too we have done some pavement markings already before the end of the fiscal year and this is the uh this is not an order necessarily but these are the areas we're going to be working on uh so North Glenn Arvin Avenue and Woodmont Avenue the roundabout near the golf course in Florida College that's one that we'll be working on striping there the crosswalks at River Hills Elementary School also the crosswalk at whiteway drive and Gillette will be um striped uh looking to redo the intersection at South Glenn Arvin and South buring game looking to do the crosswalk in the school zone at Temple Terrace Elementary School and then looking to do striping in the Hidden Oaks neighborhood so that's the remainder of the work program for FY 24 uh also we're projecting to do a complete Street design on Sunnyside Road uh that neighborhood they've had concerns about cut through traffic and speeding uh so this will hope to address that we're looking to acquire uh an F250 truck it's going to be replacing an existing truck that's had some mechanical issues uh that truck will probably go into Reserve temporarily and at some point could be auctioned off in the future uh we're also looking to acquire a a tree truck so this this lines up a little bit with sort of this effort we we had dollars in the general fund to do um a study an urban canopy study actually was out of the tree fund so the logic here would be um we have staff that does tree work when we do the tree study what we anticipate will be getting a program of how to do the best maintenance of our tree canopy in terms of healthy pruning and and replanting and things like that currently when we have tree issues most of the time we just farm that out to local tree companies to do tree services what we are what we'd like to do we think would be a better plan we really bring that in-house U get that study done figure it out so we can stay ahead of this because our our crews are working you know with with water utility Crews things like that so when trees come down and in the impact are in areas we have to get in there it would make sense for us not to have to wait for an outside service and pay their premium to to have that work done tree truck here we're talking about a truck that has an articulated arm so we a bucket truck today this is different a bucket truck basically the arm goes up and down this is would be an articulated arm I have like two or two joints um would also have a protection for the cab so one of the issues we've run into is we've used the bucket truck for some tree work particularly if if we identify it's a safety hazard in on based on a tree limb and we've had an instance where we'll cut the tree limb down the tree limb unfortunately fell right on top of the cab um there was no protection for the cab because it's a bucket truck is meant to really address uh um tra not traffic lights street lights and things like that so we feel that this truck investment would be would be better would protect the cab we have we can get up to places we can't address today and really keep keep up with the maintenance of our tree canopy moving forward May yes so I I like the idea of moving tree trimming in house but tree trimming is also very very dangerous and are there other external costs associated with us doing the work versus Contracting that out there well there are anybody that has that does this work will have to be trained they'll have to go through all the safety training um I I still anticipate there will probably still be a need for a tree service for example if we get you know a massive tree that is just beyond the pale and we may have to bring in a crane and things like that we're probably not going to do that work ourselves probably have to hire a service but I think for the bulk of the work we can handle that in house um with the proper training and the proper equipment what about like Insurance costs for having that type of service in house sure so the the the people for example if you are working so when we get our our like workers comp rates for example the workers comp rates are are different for depending on what you do so office workers are rates slower than if you're out in the field so if you're a utility worker today you're you're you're probably paying what not you the city is paying one of the highest workers comp rates probably for those folks because they're in trenches uh working in manholes and things of that nature I would imagine that the rate for whatever uh staff ultimately works on on tree services or on the tree service for the city will probably be comparable to that rate okay thank you council member Fernandez um so for the funding sources so for the water and sewer fund it's the water and sewer rates that we pay sanitation it's our the rate we pay for our garbage pick up can you talk about the funding sources for our Street improvements and sidewalk improvements and the resurfacing and the and the paving Etc so there's several funding sources here um if I miss one just tell me so we've got we have the gas tax uh we have impact fees uh we have cdbg dollars as well I mentioned there was a cdbg project as well so at Le those three what else are we missing the fuel tax the fuel tax is probably the well it is the biggest source that brings in uh $775,000 a year but uh I think you may have hit on all of them uh it is in the detail in the 130 in the special Revenue section I can just turn there so I can uh hit all of those I just want it to be where people who are watching understand that you know where the where these projects are funded besides the arpa obviously but right uh local option gas tax like I said 775 750,000 a year there's a municipal gas tax that uh we get around $330,000 a year on the 9 Cent uh County gas tax it brings back to about $140,000 a year uh just in the last couple years we've also been earning interest in this uh fund which I'll add is at the moment it's it's very healthy we do get some impact fees and we're we're looking into that to make sure that what what we spend uh if we use any of those dollars the excess we get for impact fees which can vary depending on um you know year to year just like any impact feed based on development impact fees if for example we have a commercial development on a County Road since let's say let's take um buard Parkway as you go towards 301 that's a County Road um what how is the impact fee split so so we the city of Temple Terrace does not own or maintain that road it's it's the County's property to own and maintain so would we not get any impact fees for something like that to towards uh obviously the road improvements or road maintenance but we would still get a portion of the impact fee we we actually I think we get and Brian can you come up Mr McCarthy or city engineer believe we get all of the impact fee I know this is a secondary question but I know but could we use the VA as an example since that's a perfect we do get the impact fees good morning Brian McCarthy city engineer and um if it's on a county road but it's a city property or within our jurisdiction it would go towards the city 100% of that Mobility fee goes towards the city okay that's I was just wondering that as part of the funding if we had to split it that's it yes yeah uh when we changed our tree ordinance to use the uh tree fund money could the tree truck money come out of that ordinance money the tree fund money since we changed it or is it just specific for tree work well I so the the street Improvement fund is actually healthier financially I mean it's it's a much bigger fund so from a from a in terms of proportionate impact on the actual fund that you're taking it from it makes financially it would be better to do it out of the street Improvement fund than it would out of the tree fund uh whether we can or can't take it out of the tree fund as question for M Jim same for if we contracted out tree work I assume that could come out of the tree fund now because the old ordinance was planting trees now it's maintaining trees I'm not an expert on trees and I don't think Joe Ferris is here but jie the ordinance is to remove and the tree fund is specifically for diseased and desing and dying trees to remove and replace so we could not take the money from that unless we amended the ordinance well I will say that the the the ordinance does uh allow for the use of the the a tree for the operation of the program so we have used it um not for something this expensive but for small pieces tools equipment uh that are needed to to run our tree program we do spend some general fund dollars for tree trimming around the city uh that's outside of the H Tre fund but we will also use the the H Tre fund which the balance right now is a little over a million dollar uh to Carlos's Point our street fund is around 7 million so it it is one I think that could go either way I think it's and as Genie pointed out um really the the main focus of using those a Tre fund dollars is the actual removing and planting of trees so I think in this case uh $400,000 tree truck which supports the over the streets the roadways that it makes more sense to fund it from there okay so the answer is we could but probably don't want to yes okay thank you okay okay and the last slide uh this morning is um this is something that's occurred since the first Workshop in June or the second Workshop should say so in the second Workshop uh back in June we talked about the CIT projects and uh since that time we've had an issue at the family wreck complex's main pool uh Carl and his team have discovered there's a crack in the uh main pool's filter pit um so to address that it's going to cost us about $30,000 so we're adding that to the CIT I wanted to make sure that is very transparent to the council and the public that this is something we're going to add for next year's CIT so that that'll bring up the total funded by the CIT in fy2 to 1,294 724 can can you just because I'm going to I'm sure I'm going to get asked about this by somebody can you just tell me what this is the yeah where it is and is that in the pool or is it in the filter shed or what what is this and I it's not a question of whether we're going to fix it I just need to know for uh Carl lfi Leisure Services director good morning in councel the the deficiency that was discovered is in the main pool pump room um when you have a swimming pool you're not allowed to suck water directly from the swimming pool through the motors and then back to the pool that's an extremely dangerous situation so there's another secondary pit that water gravity feeds from the pool into and then is sucked from there through the motors and back into to so that way you don't come into a situation where a child can get stuck on a suction port in the pool and get ENT trapped below the water in that secondary pit which is in the filter pit of the main pool pump house the the walls of that pit which were original to the construction of the pool back in the 70s have started to crumble and fail um they are still structurally sound nothing's in danger of collapsing but it is something that needs to be addressed sooner than than later so nothing's going to fall apart between now and the end of the summer when when you know we're going to start looking into getting this work done um but it does need to get addressed so what will what will we be doing to fix this will we be we we'll be we'll be Dem we'll be demoing part of the pit where the where the issues um with the wall are and rebuilding that filter pit then rewater proofing the entire thing with either a Marite or a PV liner or you know some type of um you know pool type finish which is essentially what it is it's it's just a small pool um to to waterproof the whole thing and it will last another 50 years we're going to have to take the the main pool offline while this is being done ABS how long is it going to take about a week or two to do the work and that's that we we typically take the pool down uh in the winter time anyway to go through and and do some maintenance projects in the pool that we can't do while it's open and so it's not going to be something that's out of the ordinary to take the pool down we'll do it off seon you know December January when there's not a lot of usage to the pool anyway I can't remember sorry do you still use de no no when the ABM project went through all those de filters came out of that pit and they were replaced by those High rate sand filters that are now on the back side of the building but that pit still has to be there for that safety between the pool and the filtering water right now no no all right very good um my question is not for you it's about the CIT funds I just want to clarify with the community investment tax funding um just so that people know we can only use it for investment in um long range investment in the community not for salaries and and administration but I would like to know how if how long can those funds remain in the city's possession without being used and do they ever revert let's just say uh we have funds we've received them from this tax but we just didn't use them for a a year or a period of time do they have an expiration date so and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe we have any expiration dates never been that's never been discussed anywhere we've had conversations with the county and other municipalities about the CIT particularly this year because we're planning for have a renewal and in fact even if there were we're pretty good about it I mean we're spending a lot of the CIT every year and making significant Investments and that's the reason I bring it up that's the fear if it doesn't get renewed you know what are we going to do um so we don't have a concern about that we are going to go through the CIT every year it's about we're we're putting in about $2 million a year in investments in our budget from the CIT um so I think we're you know and it God forbid it doesn't get renewed uh we'll probably expend the balance that's left over within a period of the next probably three to four years at most we we'll go through all of that so I I don't think there'd be any risk whatsoever of us having to give it back okay thank you you're welcome and that brings me to the end questions council members no questions I don't have any questions and Gil's not online so I have comments so I may I just sry so one thing is that U council member schisler did speak with me earlier he he obviously had a personal commitment he couldn't make it here today but um uh he did say that he was perfectly fine what was what was proposed what in backup he had seen as he wanted the basically the council to be aware of that good good other comments you said yes uh again it's the great work the staff does thank you to you you and your staff all the staffs we see this presentation and all the projects we have coming up and that we're currently doing and it is just amazing to me I mean I know what the city does and all the Departments whether you're doing construction or not but today's Focus was on these big projects the only question I would have with all the work we're doing and all the projects in the pipe why is Brian still smiling it's just it's just amazing the amount of work that you guys get done uh every day and and I'm talking about you you've got a couple million dollar Road Project you're doing all that and someone will call up with a garbage cam problem and you go out and you talk to them it's just amazing to me what what you guys do out there so thank you so much on that so there's a in my mind there's I mean there's a a lot of differences between what we're doing now and what we did just a few years ago but one of the key differences that I think is a is a big takeaway for everybody is that we truly are thinking strategically now we're identifying priorities at our goal setting we're doing strategic planning our budget priorities reflect those discussions these projects reflect those priorities we're we're truly taking a longer approach to things and and thinking multiple years instead of just every summer we get together and do a whacka mole like okay this truck is falling apart or that you know we have to do this water main or whatever we're truly thinking look we're going to do this this year so that next year we can do this and the following year we can do this so there's there's truly some strategy and forethought going into what we're doing and there's a path and we know what it is we're trying to to accomplish and I I as a taxpayer not as a mayor but as a taxpayer that gives me a lot more confidence that the city is on a track that it's not just you know going dayto day and you know what crisis comes up today and let's just survive till 5:00 and go home and start it all over again tomorrow so um I want to thank you for that that's a shift that's an organizational shift and uh you you folks have responded really really well to that um both the existing directors that have been here the Legacy folks um the the the directors that are still here are the ones that need to still be here you guys have really stepped up and the and the new folks on board have really adopted this approach so uh I I'm just proud of all of you that we're really going somewhere we're not just and I don't want to disparage what we did before we did pretty good before too but we're taking a longer View and I think by doing that we're maximizing the impact of every tax dollar we get because it's going towards something that's going to support something else and something else so thank you for that you thank you Council also for your support I mean ultimately we take direction from you and all the good stuff that's going on is is Testament to that so no I don't think so but thank you okay anything else Council we good directors anything else okay we'll be adjourned thank you all [Music] [Music] got R back up okay up there if you want to take a look I can show you exactly what's going okay and then you know also kind of what makes that pool tick because the tech [Music]