##VIDEO ID:akj2tcanUBY## e e [Music] hey hey [Music] hey hey [Music] hey hey [Music] here tonight and I know we have a Lobby full of our uh employees as well so thank you for being here uh if you would please remember to silence your electronic devices and if you would stand please join me in the invocation and the pledge Lord we ask your blessings upon our meeting tonight grant us wisdom and compassion as we make decisions that impact the common good of all we pray for those still struggling from the effects of the recent hurricanes may they feel your comfort and the support of our community we thank you always for the many blessings you bestow on our amazing City amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God isible with liy and justice for all thank you you may be seated so for those of you who don't frequently visit us which is most of you and understandably so um we have a relatively new tradition now that was introduced to us by council member Fernandez when she took office and that is to begin each meeting with an interesting or historical fact about the city of Temple Terrace or uh in the region uh something that's not widely known and so u in light of our 100-year anniversary coming up next year we're going to continue this as long as we can keep finding things to talk about but as the time goes on it gets harder and harder so um tonight that Duty falls on me and this has to do uh ironically Dr Weaver this has to do with the University of South Florida I didn't really remember that you were going to be here tonight or I would have probably done something a little different but um This concerns USF and as most of you who have lived here for a long time no USF was founded in 1956 but it didn't actually start uh classes until 1960 so you had that four years of construction and planting and clearing land and uh all those kinds of activities and so during this time there was uh the 1956 and 1957 they hadn't selected the name of the university and so this was uh not an easy thing and I went back and looked some Tampa Tribune articles about this and this was actually quite controversial at the time about what to call this new University and it was also rather em embarrassing for a time because they had selected the the first president Dr John Allen but they didn't even know how to introduce him at events because they didn't know what he was president of and so um it was a little awkward and so in 1957 they got to work on forming committees to select the name uh they started this in the spring and they started um this at one point with over a hundred um submissions for what to call the new University and so I'm not going to read all hundred of them to you but there's some really bizarre ones and there's some that kind of hit uh close to home here so some of them are all State University Western Hemisphere University Florida doto University P Deon University Oola State University Collins college the governor was Leroy Collins at the time Collins college Collins Temple University of Florida Henry B Plant University although that would have been ironic considering UT's at you get it right Dan mccardy State University and I have no idea who Dan mccardy was um Richard call University again I don't know who that is Professor Ludwick W bush Holtz University that would have been a mouthful I want know what their mascot would have been um that was a long previous superintendent of hillsbury County Schools but in 1957 he was already a long time so I don't know when he was in office College of the Sunshine State gas Barilla college that I got a feeling that would have been a party school Tampa Bay College um excelsia university this one's good flamerica flamerica University Florida Tropic coost University we've been explaining that one forever if we got that International University the board of control had previously twice recommended the name University of South Florida but both times it was rejected out of hand finally the board of control and Board of Education wrangled and wrangled and wrangled and then around September of that year they finally agreed on two finalists Florida gulf Court Coast University which of course we've seen has come back and University of South Florida was put back on the table Governor Collins and the cabinet then met to debate the two remaining finalists and the cabinet rejected both of them so they started the whole process over again in September um they they wrangled between the board of control and the Board of Education back and forth and back and forth and back and forth they finally did settle then on the UN University of South Florida although that name had been rejected three times um immediately upon that though there were protests from the real south Florida right and who were was they were with some legitimacy I could see up all kinds of up in arms about this because they knew that someday they would be getting a State University also and Tampa was stealing what should have been the name of their future University so there was a lot of controversy about that including from a in the gubat election that followed this that was still a lot of haggling about this eventually it died down um well I think it died down if I read this to people in Miami maybe it hadn't died all the way down but uh anyhow a little bit on the on the naming of University of South Florida it was not a very easy process so and that's all you wanted to know about that probably more than you ever wanted to know about that so thank you for enduring that our next item um is approval of the minutes from our November 4th meeting oh wait nope okay so you might have noticed that we have a an angry mob of employees in the lobby so we are going to as quickly as possible because I know that you have business before us and we don't want to hold you here but we do want to acknowledge um the efforts of some of our employees these folks have absolutely moved mountains um as a result of these two hurricanes and and I'm in some cases literally if you saw some of this stuff so these people have worked um they were working in the hours after the storm and some of their homes were destroyed by flooding and they didn't go home they stayed and worked um it was just I I can't begin to tell you um the things that these folks did so we are hosting a city luncheon for them that's coming up but we also thought it would be nice to do something for them that the public can see too and so we're going to call them in one department at a time now they're not on the clock so some departments will have a lot of people here and some they've worked you know they've been mowing grass all day or whatever and they just want to go home and they went home so don't take their presence or not presence as a sign of their Devotion to the city but if you've been mowing grass all day you probably want to go home too so okay right up front front center please here so ladies and gentlemen these are members of our Code Compliance Department um and our code compliance director Tom Baron to your left uh and his staff participated in pre-storm inspections of commercial and residential properties and advis residents to secure loose items on their properties that pose the risk of becoming Airborne due to Hurricane force winds code staff were also activated as part of the city's damage assessment team uh for over two days while non-essential City operations remain close so they went throughout the city surveying the damage and cataloging and and so forth which very important part of the process because that's how we start to build our catalog for FEMA reimbursement and so forth the damage assessment team inspected every area of the city to report structural damage to residential and Commercial properties the team reported many trees down causing damage to homes and accessory structures the team also observed and reported on the flooding of streets and homes and I could for every one of these departments I could go on and on and on a not because I know that you have business so we we I mean I could make this two hours like really easy because I was here for the whole thing so thank you guys thank [Applause] you just SKS in the picture thank [Applause] you Community Development thought you going to send them out that way they don't follow directions dude they don't H and cats Community Development folks where' we get them all I didn't know we had that many Community Development folks did we hire a couple people before the meeting so these folks are still hard at it these are the folks that do the um permitting and inspections and so forth and so uh our director Greg Paulie is uh really took a proactive role in this he was the one that came to the city manager and uh suggested some streamlining some waving of permit fees some of the some permit requirements that normally people would have to go through have have been waved to enable people to get recovered quicker and easier um but he wasn't told to do any of that this was Greg and his staff that came up with this proactively so they really doing a fantastic job so follow following hurricane Milton Community Development director Greg Paulie and members of his staff were activated as part of the city's damage assessment team which we talked about a moment ago his staff worked with members from legislative executive and Code Compliance finance and risk reduction to complete more than 460 damage assessment reports on October 10th and 11th those were not fun days and that was not easy to get through the city at that point so I was out there watching them do this and then continuing through the week of October 14th all damages were documented photographed cataloged and evaluated for monetary losses to date the initial losses to our community due to the hurricanes impct are currently estimated to be just under $5 million so and and we expect some of that to continue to rise CU we're starting to see problems with some of the city infrastructure that took a while to catch up so thank you all for your [Applause] efforts better squeeze it [Applause] executive executive executive so the next are the executive team yeah there's a couple of them here we've got there we go so um Can Brian put that on autopilot can okay he's good good so obviously these are the folks that I worked most closely with um during and and immediately following the storm uh city manager Bea this is his Executive Administrative Assistant jeie Barlo Joel darta is the marketing and communications director father Mary is and Brian both work on marketing and Communications so folks I've been in a lot of Emergency Operations I I've retired from the sheriff's office so been in Emergency Management stuff for 32 years or more now I have never seen a team that worked more smoothly than this team um and that's coming from I worked at Hillsburg County Sheriff's Office pretty squared away place um these guys are the best of the best right so again I could go on and on and on but I won't I'll read from the script so city manager Carlos Bea and several members of the marketing team staffed the Emergency Operations Center before during and after Hurricane Milton members of the executive team also served on the city's damage assessment team in preparation for during and after Hurricane Milton the marketing team posted 214 times across social media platforms including Facebook and Instagram to keep the public informed the content strategy included a mix of videos graphics and reshares of crucial updates and safety information the team reached 315,000 97 users on Facebook and Instagram to include many users outside of the local area 315,000 people saw their posts we only have 27,000 in the city so I'd say they did a pretty good job and Carlos jeie I you guys I can't think enough so anyway [Applause] [Applause] Finance where's Finance they're out there counting the spreadsheets aren't they Finance come on in these are perhaps the most important folks in the whole place because if they stop working everything stops people don't get paid then they some for some reason they leave so I have been in office here for eight years I've been through several storms here in the city um this was the worst but it wasn't n the first for us but this is the first with this team and I have to tell you um they are spot on I mean we in the old days you know five years ago we were keeping you know loose track of what we were doing and stuff but all of a sudden they show up with spreadsheets and interactive this and that and the other I mean they could tell you you know I ask what is this cost us as of 3:00 this afternoon and they tell you an answer a concrete answer this is you know what we burning through every 24 hours in payroll and they could tell you boom this is what we're going through uh it was incredible and so all of that translates into 100% FEMA reimbursement if you have the right records so this is important to all of you as Temple Terrace residents also Finance director Jim Ingram um and his team created new payroll processing codes to assist with the proper tracking of work before during and after the hurricane with some assistance from Human Resources the team completed back-to-back hurricane payrolls and completed documentation of all the FEMA forms needed for reimbursement of City expenses for Hurricane related costs the team assisted with onboarding emergency vendors and created two emergency intent to proceed letters to expedite cleanup efforts the finance team then started preparing FEMA documentation and processing to allow work on both Helen and Milton to be done simultaneously in order to receive reimbursement in a timely manner and folks I tell you that Genie thank you for the summary but that doesn't even begin to depict what they really did so thank [Applause] you got squeeze in can i y we [Applause] send in the Fire Department chief welcome so the fire department's contribution to this is probably a little more obvious than some of the others but um in addition to what you might expect however our emergency Operation Center is located in the downstairs of fire station One on Bullard Parkway so in their house they have the mayor and the city manager and Finance team and the communications team everybody from all these City departments is working out of their I don't know what they do there with your training room right I guess so so um how would you like to have the whole city management structure move into your home for a week cuz that's literally what we did and so uh thank you for putting up with us I'm sure we left a big mess um I know we left your refrigerator a mess anyway I know that so fire chief Kemp and his team set up the Emergency Operations Center to facilitate preparation measures and coordinate response efforts across multiple departments pre-storm meetings were held to ensure that all Personnel were prepared and meetings were coordinated with other other City departments to create a unified response strategy throughout the storm the fire department worked in close collaboration with County State and National Weather agencies attending multiple inperson andew and virtual meetings uh fire and EMS teams are responded to over 100 storm related calls during the emergency declaration period including down power lines Fallen trees EMS calls and even a structure fire uh the department demonstrated exceptional teamwork in managing these calls and ensuring Swift response times amid challenging circumstances uh After the Storm passed the fire department set up and staffed a point of distribution site for two days providing critical supplies and support to the community so thank you all so much for all you did during the STM we appreciate [Applause] that all right I have to squeeze in here the only one not uniform stand out thank you [Applause] g Human Resources thank you all for your patience I know you've got business I appreciate you human resources another one like finance that wouldn't immediately come to mind like fire and police but without HR operating in the background we would have been a mess um and so I I could go on and on about all the work that our H our new HR director and his staff are doing um we're really excited about some of the things they're doing besides the hurricane stuff so Human Resources Director Tony nario and his staff which is bigger than this really they just went home I guess um and his staff worked well past business hours to have an emergency payroll process prior to the arrival of the hurricane according to this challenge adding to this challenge all fiscal year and end changes on I'm going to just start over with that one adding to this challenge all fiscal year-end changes and October 1st salary changes had to be entered during this payroll so we had a pay increase that occurred straddled during this time staff also worked to complete and submit all applicable payroll reports to partner companies including 401a 457b and health savings account contributions in addition HR managed a number of storm related liability and property claims such as sewer backup Fallen trees and damaged property Etc this is also our Risk Management Department HR HR also partnered with the Leisure Services Department to coordinate volunteer efforts for Staffing the National Guard point of distribution while they were here in Telecom so Tony thank you to you and all your staff [Applause] [Applause] information Technologies helloo This is Our IT director and one of her staff members again they a lot of people have worked all day day well you're not that small you're small but not that small so welcome um IT director Sally Cabrera and her staff served at the m at the city's Emergency Operations Center she and her staff provided Communications and application support during the storm to ensuring that everything was running smoothly especially the systems the city's 911 and CAD system so that makes it sound pretty simple this way but we moved the 911 center from the first floor of this building down to the EOC at the fire station that's not a 15minute process and so when you put that on a on a synopsis it doesn't really reflect the work and coordination that's involved in that because you can't have your call your 911 calls go on I mean that has to be that has to start before this one can stop kind of thing and so I know it all it is it kind of like you know it all sounds really good when it works you take it for granted but when it doesn't work everything comes to a standstill so thank you very much Sally and your [Applause] team thank [Applause] you legal [Music] kind of like HR and finance um legal is far more important than people really you know legal right um You can't do anything without legal right you can lay all these good plans you think you know how everything's going to go and then the attorneys will say no that's not how it's going to go you can't do that and so so um most of the time they're not the the people that you want to see walking through your door because it's usually that telling you that you can't do something you want to do the way you want to do it but when there's a hurricane around and you're got to you have to do everything exactly the right way in order to get reimbursed or in order to not run a file of Florida Statutes you're really glad to see them even if they're you don't really want to hear what they're telling you it's good that you do um and so City attorney Pam shonne and Deputy City attorney Ernie Mueller in this case this really is kind of a small shop these are this is the whole thing right and so they didn't go home they're here uh they reviewed and approved the Declaration of the state of emergency um but that doesn't really capture um all the things that they that they did they have to review make sure we're in FEMA compliance make sure that we're not exceeding The Authority granted to us by the state of emergency and that our state of emergency doesn't conflict with the counties and the states so there there's a lot of there's a lot of detail that goes into the states of emergency and so um that synopsis doesn't really do you justice but I but we know what you did and so thank you very [Applause] much still think we should do it our way legislative city clerk so this is our city clerk chery Mooney as you can tell from her name tag um she has a small shop too there are only uh three full-time and one part-time in her shop so they they are going home and they do have a small shop but that doesn't lessen the importance of the functions that they serve um whether it's during a hurricane or on a regular basis these meetings would not ha these meetings don't happen no meetings happen without the city clerk right we wouldn't even know how to publicly notice and have a meeting if it weren't for the city clerk we couldn't even meet we wouldn't know how to do it so um city clerk Cheryl Mooney served on the city's damage assessment team uh her staff was involved and also in the preparation and execution of the emergency order um but literally um Miss Mooney was out on the street in the neighborhoods doing damage assessment with some of the other teams that we've mentioned so she was out in the field although that is certainly not part of her normal duties uh in Temple Terrace we all kind of take off whatever hat we're normally wearing and we just kind of get whatever we we just kind of do what everybody has to do and so uh we really appreciate everything that you have done during the hurricane and and the rest of the time and please pass that on to your staff as well [Applause] leure services I don't know where to start with this one this is one of our bigger departments leure Services is Parks and wreck and the library combined so they have a lot of employees hey but we're down to five here how many employees do you have in your shop you have a lot oh boy over 100 employees between parks and the library probably in peak season 130 yeah I was going to say you're one of the largest yeah so so I I I could I can't begin to tell you everything that they did during a hurricane I really can't so I won't even try out just read this cuz what nothing happens in the city without these people I can tell you so Leisure Services director Carl langfield uh and his team secured City facilities in preparation for potentially damaging wind and rain the grounds crew assisted public works with sandbagging services and other staff members coordinated efforts with the school district to prepare T Temple Terrace Elementary for use as a city employee shelter it's right behind the EOC everybody that works in the EOC just goes back to the school to sleep and if you sleep at on then you go back to the EOC food for employees who needed to work during the activation period was also arranged through local vendors um little secret there you don't starve during hurricanes right you got you will get fat during the hurricane during the storm members of Staff man the city employee shelter and following the storm the grounds Crews work with Public Works to clear the roads followed by the parks playgrounds and athletic fields Comfort stations were set up at the library and at Lightfoot Center I'll pause there for a second cuz the library was fantastic you guys opened up we didn't have power at the rec center we didn't have power at Lightfoot for a while and the library was not supposed to be open for patrons but they opened it up to let people come and sit in the air conditioning charge of phones and then they realized pretty shortly that look we got people we got books just let them open they so they just kind of gave up and open the library and let everybody so um they allowed residents to ACC access to power for charging their devices and air conditioning staff also assisted with the point of distribution site at the Verizon facility in Telecom Park uh where over a two-day period nine semi loads of water MREs tarps and Ice were distributed to the public so again I I don't know where to begin to thank you for this doesn't really capture everything you did and I mean at the same time they're cleaning up the recck center while the power's out and the facility is closed they're getting L foot that just went on and on and on so thank you to you and your staff uh we appreciate [Applause] it yeah we probably want to scoot down and get in the middle here there we go [Applause] police I bet we have two or three of them here it's one of our larger departments also good evening ladies and gentlemen how you doing Captain good we don't usually see this many of you in the same place at the same time unless there's trouble it's good to see everybody so I this I'm going again I'm going to read the synopsis but I can't tell you enough about what these folks have done even before the storm I was out there with public works and we're working at sandbags filling sandbags and load them up and the police are there with security for the sandbag operation but the next thing you know the officers who's there providing security is over there filling sandbags also um which I know is not really what they're you know they're supposed to be but they were providing security too um but they these folks all of them are jump in kind of people no matter what you're doing um they will jump in whether it's dirting traffic or filling sandbags or whatever it is you're doing if they walk by and you're doing it they're going to jump in and help do whatever it is you're doing so police chief Ken Albano who is out of town and not with us tonight uh and his team provided vital Community Support worked with the Rel relief organizations checked on vulnerable residents delivered supplies and offered reassurance to Res residents additional police officers were deployed to the streets throughout the city in order to provide enhanced visibility to the residents on the day of the storm's arrival officers continued to respond to calls ju until just after 900 p.m. uh when sustained tropical force winds made it too dangerous despite the presence of continued strong winds and rain officers are once again deployed to the streets at 3:00 a.m. in an attempt to locate a major waterline failure um they quickly located a significant waterline break at the Avenue Apartments so it's their fault that we had the boil water no right um After the Storm passed uh with debris everywhere down power lines and other hazards in the streets officers immediately began responding to calls for assistance conducted preliminary damage assessments established traffic control points and quickly set up four-way stops at Key arterial intersections U mostly along Fowler Avenue I drove through them a bunch of times you guys did a great job with that they also provided mandatory security and physical physically assisted residents retrieve retrieve essential items from the city's point of distribution site in Telecom park again they did much much more than that um I can tell you I was out there for a week and a half on every day and you guys were all over it I saw you out there helping citizens and picking up stuff and so I want to thank you all very much for that [Applause] how you gonna do this [Applause] public works oh my goodness this this is a short book here could be so if this was a Super Bowl he Public Works would be the MVP I mean everybody did Yan's work but Public Works has knocked it out of the park where are they there they come there they are hey Mike how are you so this is just a small sampling of the people that work in public works but I was talking about Public Works does a lot of things they have they work on a lot of things and so these guys probably went home right they don't come back here so I get it um I don't even know where to begin to tell you the things that they've done they have moved mountains here they they have absolutely I I just don't even know what to say I can't I wish I I wish you could have shadowed me after the storm to see what they've done and they're still doing it so Jason warfels is the director uh fairly new to the city we recruited him to come here um he probably regret his decision at this point but uh just a rock star I mean just Reinventing that whole department um top to bottom and so a real Rockstar so Public Works director Jason Warren Fels split his crew into three teams to quickly clear debris from all city streets members of his team also provided assistance to the utilities department to assist with waterline repairs a crew of eight worked continuously through the storm experienceing only 4 hours of downtime when sustained tropical force winds made it too dangerous to work four hours he After the Storm passed the ground Crews cleared debris from access areas to All City buildings to ensure non-essential City operations could reopen to the public sanitation staff assisted the street crew in clearing the roadways with some employees working for days without taking time off in order to assure that sanitation division could get caught up the fleet staff kept equipment running efficiently replac vehicle tires as needed and address sanitation truck hydraulic issues quickly administrative staff answered and are still answering large volumes of calls for service um and some of those callers are not real nice at sometimes uh facilities maintenance completed pre and post storm evaluations to All City buildings and determined that all of the buildings had little to no storm damage I want to add a little bit to this I I could add a lot but I won't but I do want to add a little bit so some of these Crews Mike is included in this Mike Mike um one of our grounds crew workers these folks helped prep the city for Hurricane Helen and then when Helen passed by they helped clean up the debris we had some tree debris and stuff from Hurricane Colleen which looked pretty bad until we got Milton then they turned right around and started sandbag operations for Hurricane Milton and cleaning up the city right to get stuff off of the storm drains from Helen so that it didn't go down the storm drains then we went through the store the second storm Milton they got 4 hours of sleep and then they immediately went out before sun up to start clearing off Milton which they're still doing so um some of these folks I don't know Carlos and I were talking several times about I don't know when Jason slept I don't know if he ever went home but he was always there I like shouldn't he be sleeping at some point and and uh I mean he was always there and I worked with Mike on some of this and I remember saying you know he and the crew like aren't you guys getting kind of tired and uh like yeah a little bit so so thank you all [Applause] [Music] [Applause] last one last one utilities oo where's utilities are they coming in so I have to tell you I worked with a lot of the Public Works guys and gals out in the field clearing debris and filling sandbags and stuff like that and I thought you know what I'm servant leader that I am I'm going to go out and join up with the utilities guys and see if I can help them fix some of these water mains and stuff no no I was a good cheerleader for them but uh no I'm not doing that so these guys do stuff that's incredible amazing uh and I've been around the city for a long time and just working seeing what they did in the field during I mean just pits filled with water and like oh my God this is terrible right and so it was an eyeopener for me and I've been around for a while so um utilities director Troy tinch uh and his crew worked as a unified team to tackle large work efforts throughout the city and I'm large in some cases uh during the storm the city's portable water dist distribution system experienced a systemwide loss of pressure due at a combination of widespread power outages and numerous water breaks resulting in a boil water notice for the entire utility service area which is larger than the city there's about 35,000 water accounts so it's larger than the city plant operators work with outside agencies to clear the notice within 7 Days of the storm's landfall after the storm pass staff worked to repair 15 water main brakes and over a dozen service line repairs Wastewater collection staff conducted three gravity sanitary sewer main repairs located along West River and 53rd Street Crews also work to refuel generators I remember that refuel generators and performed the manual pumping of over 30 lift stations within the city Crews work 247 hour shifts for a 7-Day period to Ure the Wastewater system continued function to function until power was restored Crews also worked to keep the city's 30 plus lift stations operational due to the loss of electric power so this doesn't really give you the whole story so I I'll tell you now cuz it's passed we were literally hanging on for by a thread there for a long time when it comes to water so the water main brakes that we talked about 15 of them the system lost pressure I'm supposed to have 60 lbs of pressure we got down to 10 right at one point if we' have had a fire during that period of time we wouldn't have been able to fight it right Chief isn't that what you told us so um they got this system restored and then I don't know what was at 10:00 at night Troy tells the city manager and me and me that uh hey you know we're in trouble we're going to running out of diesel fuel and all of our takes 36 facilities to run the Water Systems um between pumps and water treatment facilities takes 36 different facilities and all of them were without power running on generators which systems functioning according to backup plan well but we had ordered Diesel and it didn't show up and so the generators were running out of power running out of fuel and so he says hey we're getting down to like less than a quarter of a tank at the water treatment plant and the pump a Sil um associated with that if we lose that 35,000 people are going to be without water you think they're grumpy without power wait till they don't have water either and so we started to get to work on that but we literally Troy and and these guys literally um we started buying diesel from a farmer in town m&b products and we went and we were moving diesel at 100 gallons 200 gallons at a time in the back of pickup trucks and what'd you go for 12 14 hours it took you to drive around so Dale and Daniel mlen of m&b products uh helped us out of that situation and we bought Diesel from them and these guys went and carried diesel around in cans to keep the water system going so we made it through we finally got some Diesel from somebody but um we were this close and had it not been for Troy and these guys we would have not only been without power you wouldn't have been able to flush your toilets or anything so thank you for that [Applause] [Applause] [Music] you thank you for your patience with that we have some of the most uh wonderful full employees anywhere and it's you know we don't get much of a chance so I know that was long but I appreciate your patience for that so next we have a presentation from uh Dr John Weaver who is here with us tonight and he's the president of Florida College and he's going to give us a update on the college's plans for Sutton Hall welcome Dr Weaver thank you I just want to add my appreciation to the city for the work over the past few weeks amazing work about on the part of all those I also want to say thank you to the mayor uh who just did an extraordinary job in communication to the community I'm telling you mayor if this gig doesn't work out you have a future as a social media influencer no that's Jo he just tells me what to do will you join me in stting our appreciation for our [Applause] mayor well I want to come because I think it was announced um last time the council was to get together that we're needing to let go of Sutton Hall at Florida college and so I wanted to come and give some word of an explanation I want to share with you this is a moment at FC of grief it really is a moment of grief you know grief has stages when you need to let go of someone or something a public person or a public building requires a certain public statement of acknowledgement of what's going on I want to talk with you about that because I know it's a shock you know they say that grief has stages I don't know about that but I think it does you know grief they say has denial anger bargaining depression and acceptance and I may be in the maybe in the depression stage still I don't know not quite to the acceptance but I want to explain this because this is not something that we have done quickly precipitously uh without concern I I want to briefly say three things about this uh giving you kind of a history and then hand it over to some colleagues who have worked with us and helped us come to this difficult conclusion I'll share that with you here just a moment so if you if you look that there's a history here I just want to have a minute just to explain I'll not go through all of this we honor the history of this building which was you know opened in 1922 it actually sat unoccupied for a number of years after the the the uh golf club golf course U sold it uh it actually was owned by a Bible Institute not Florida College another school for a number of years in the 30s and 40s it was taken over by a private developer who actually let the building degrade we have a number of evidences of how poor the building was when the college took it over in 1946 and uh we inhabited it for a number of purposes for all those years over 75 years we've had uh Sutton Hall as part of our Florida College family and then in 2017 uh because of code issues that we ceased inhabiting the building with residents and so since that time I want to share with you that over the past really seven years or so we have worked with a number of agencies including efforts at Grants and fundraising to try to find a way to renovate the building so over the past few years we've tried to find how we could bring it back to life and these efforts have um hit repeated Road box both in terms of the fundraising but also the findings of different agencies which you see right here on the screen that we've worked with really since 2018 now in the past year those efforts EX accelerated as we realized more of the the challenges that we face with building building codes I don't need to tell this Council how the hurricane building codes have changed the landscape of construction and renovation in Florida since the 1990s and as we came to grips with this we realized that um uh this was going to require some different thinking about the building and so it brings us to where we're at today I'm going to introduce you to um some principles at Sal Design Studios in Franklin Development Corporation which we've worked with over the past year at at the college which really helped us realize that any restoration of this building given current codes would not allow us to return to the original appearance of the building nor to the functionality of the building far from it both the Aesthetics and the functions would be very different than what we see today and that is a reality of codes that have been in place really for over 30 years and so I want to bring that you around to this realization that we're not able to continue with Sutton Hall we plan to demolish it sadly uh next year and we'll look to construct a new building on the site which would be of service to the community and college in ways that we look forward to we look forward to recognizing the history of that building in the new building with an overture to the history of of the Sutton Hall that that has been there for you know 100 years and so we look forward to honoring that I want to turn over for the next 10 minutes to a couple of of colleagues uh from Soul design and Franklin development R Ryan Colleen is a contractor someone who's worked with us with a number of Engineers and and Carlos monar of Soul Design Studio are imminently qualified to help us think through the future of this building help us understand what has been and what we need to do so I'm going to I think Carlos are you so Ryan is going to come up and and share with you and and the point of this is to help you understand what we heard and the rationale for the decisions we've come to hope that it's helpful to you at this point Ryan please sure Mr mayor council good to see you this evening um so we were charged with evaluating the building and putting together a specialized team to look at this building through the lens of of a restoration uh so over a period of several months we looked at finding some of the best Partners including Emerald engineering which is one of the Premier mechanical electrical plumbing and Fire and Life Safety engineering uh corporations in the mid state as well as BMW structural which again is one of the Premier structural engineering firms in the Midstate and soul design studio um who I've partnered with before but is one of the leading restoration um historical restoration firms uh in the Midstate as well and we'll talk about that in just a second but we we put that team together to do what I would consider to be a um a very detailed look into this building to see what it was going to take to be able to remodel it and restore it so uh a little bit about Franklin Development Corporation but not much uh which was be slide two which I don't know if you have up there a lovely thank you slide two Franklin Development Corporation has been in existence as a general contractor since the mid 80s uh we have at this point almost 1,400 groundup builds uh across the Midstate since the mid 80s I'm Executive Vice President Chief construction officer of Franklin Development Corporation um I've done almost a billion dollars in contracts uh in my career several of which are historical remodels but we serve PRI ly the Tampa area as well as Orlando all the way over to the east coast and as a commercial general contractor uh Soul design who I spoke to you a little bit uh a moment ago this is Carlos molar who has served as president of the uh the AIA both Tampa and and the large s and I'll let him talk a little bit about his firm uh right now thank you good evening thank you for your time um as Ryan indicated I'm the uh founder and managing principal so Design Studio uh I was the AIA Tampa Bay representative but I was also uh elected to the State Board of the AIA I was also appointed to the uh Surfside task force I was one of three architects in the state to assist the state legislature to work on the state Bill 4B that was just recently enacted and passed to prevent such tragedies I've have also been an ad junk professor at USF where I did teach uh materials and methods of construction um and uh as Brian indicated we've been brought into many projects specifically for the historic component to it uh here's a a short list of them font's a little small but uh we do first of all our office is located eor city which is a lot of you know this one of the Premier historic districts in town we've done multiple projects including the one you see here the Italian social club we did a considerable renovation on the central striano as well as the Cuban club we brought on to Liaison with uh the structural engineering The Architects for for that project as well we also were actually uh uh through developers brought to Puerto Rico where we worked on the historic Vana hotel which was both a restoration and a renovation in a very challenging environment to really bring that historic structure back into compliance uh and lastly we've even gone to New Jersey we flew out with a different developer to work on the rehab of the great Gorge uh Hotel uh in uh Northern New Jersey so we have gone uh throughout the United States on different specific for historic renovation I'm going to give it back to Ryan to just say a few words sure yep so um so again Carlos and his firm from an historical remodel perspective to to be able to preserve the look and the feel of the building as it is us as a class a general contractor uh to look at a means and methods perspective of getting it to uh a restoration as well as BMW structural and emerald engineering to look at it from MEPS over a period of months we had multiple site visits out there crawled underneath the building took pieces of dry wall off took pieces of ceiling off did lots of measurements lots of testing as best as testing lead paint testing all of which have been uh consolidated down to some findings that Carlos is going to share with you at this point through the different trades so I'm just going to go through a few trades here uh we're going to start with HVAC um HVAC as as a lot of you knows a significant part of the building specifically to keep moisture out to condition the space um the existing chilled water plant has deteriorated is no longer functional uh a lot of the current HVAC units uh are older units they also do not employ uh CO2 in terms of outside air uh for the type of assembly with both uh student buildings classrooms and especially assembly Halls you really do need outside air because it replenishes the uh the carbon dioxide that's expelled to create a safe environment it also as indicated when you lose power the the moisture begins to intrude the hvc is a critical component to kind of balancing the system and removing a lot of the moisture from in so a lot of the current systems that are in the building were not functioning properly as well as they weren't meeting current codes um one of the more uh evident parts and this is a this room is a great example um the current structure is about 9t tall and that is from the floor structure to the ceiling or or the or the floor above structure uh those are solid wood joist so there's no ability to go through there so the actual structure in this room is probably good three or four feet above the ceiling we're at there is no ability to run duct work uh fire sprinklers conduit through the structure so everything has to come down and this is a good picture to show you that what would happen should we begin to put the Ducks within the spaces in a normal type commercial building as we're in here the ceilings would have lowered to somewhere between 74 and 7t 6 uh in some of those places minimum coat is 76 so you can barely even make make minimum height for code and these are long corridors would supply all the air for a lot of the buildings so that was a deficiency that there was no way to to basically grapple with outside of raising the entire structure which was basically impossible to do due to the age of the building um also there was no Supply there was some supplies but there were no return ducts throughout the structure uh fire sprinklers were another one that would begin to take up that uh space between the underside of the structure and the ceilings um and then basically there was no space left a lot of the beautiful elements the crown moldings the trims a lot of those beautiful elements of Sutton Hall would have been hidden all underneath ceilings like this one with grid just to be able to put the essential code required infrastructure into the building uh next is electrical fire protection um throughout the building and a lot of you may know this from some the older buildings there is active knob and tube knob and tube is something that was originally the beginnings of of in terms of electrical power where it is just a ceramic piece that's penetrated a wire that's cloth wrapped and it's run throughout the building it has not been code compliant for many years uh and it's run throughout the entire building and it is active throughout the building the current service for this building is 400 amps a lot of you's house have more amps than 400 amps but right now what's currently run to this building is significantly less than what we anticipated for a building of this size which would be more like 1,600 to 18800 amps so is a fraction of the code required or even the ability to to power the systems within this building um all the wiring because of this in order to go through and Rehab all the interior finishes would have to be removed in order to get access to the wiring which would be in the floor the walls and the ceiling which would effectively remove the entire finishes throughout the building uh and then as I indicated before the fire sprinkler there were some systems in place from fire alarm uh none met current code they would all have to be removed and reinstalled with sprinkles within that space uh Ada stairs ramps and elevators um the entry have L you been to it uh the entry is quite High there's immediately some steps you go to a midpoint Landing you then go to some more steps at a at a landing that you've arrived in the main lobby then the wings are an additional raise some some other steps that go up and just to bring up a ramp or or any kind of tree structure it's a 54 in what we've measured is about 54 in from grade which would require more than a 60t long ramp uh there are other ways to get up to these stairs which would involve some lifts um those lifts would usually have to be in Board of the corridors because for emergency eress you need the corridors so those are all things that begin to take up and the fact that they occur at so many different intervals it would even be difficult to put in a code required elevator that would connect all these different staggered levels with one elevator to so that you would have accessibility each floor there was no one Central Point that we could find that that we'd be able to establish so we'd have repeated systems throughout the building to just get accessibility um also these corridors if you're familiar it's it's a y-shaped building each of the corridors is a deadend corridor there is in a commercial building with uh the quantity of people that we would have you need to have two means of egress so that if the fire was in the central part of the building you have another way to get out of the building building safely which is why at no point you can know you can have no more than between 20 to 30 ft depending on the building of space before you can get to a safe exit in order to make this this building compliant we'd have had to remove a portion of the end of every one of the Wings and install a cement or a concrete masonry fire stair that would provide the protection and the egress for accessibility uh that obviously would have a very damaging effect on all three of the Wings and including the Cent stair which is um which when we were brought on to the project was told that this is really something that's a vital part of the history and the love of this building um we would have to remove this stair it is not compliant uh this the Treads and the risers are staggered there's a rhythm to them they're not wide enough so there would have had to been a removal and a reconstruction of the stairs just to bring them up to code compliance because it is the central connecting and it is a path of egress uh also um the railings are quite low and this is very typical for historic buildings where they're you know just below your hip um this would require a 42-in guard rail as well as a 36-in handrail so we would have had to redo all the Treads remove all the steps redo all the railings and install a guard rail at which point it is almost a complete reconstruction of that ceremonial stair to bring it into egress compliance for for Life Safety um envelope envelope uh envelope really is talking about the exterior of the building um if you've been by recently you'll see there's there's rather large cracks for movement the structure is a masonry Foundation structure with wood uh kind of historic wood uh uh framing that goes up and then a wood framed roof uh that involves some movement the historic put a wood LA with metal and wood La onto the structure it's actually quite a strong uh material as it goes historically it can be quite strong the problem isn't with that extra material is the fact that it's the wood behind it the wood behind it moves it has a different expansion and contraction ratio than the stucco does or the cement does and when those move which in Florida we have highs and lows water infiltration the water's gotten in it's caused the structure to move and there's large cracks in the stucco which causes water to begin to move through the envelope and work its way down as we begin to talk about moisture one of the most fundamental things of all of our facades is a vapor barrier keeping the 80 85% relative humidity out of your structure because that's where you can begin to get with heat and water that's where mold and mil begin to become active your air quality begins to get diminished um The Vapor Barrier was an old early 1900s tar paper type of vapor barrier it has almost in and we actually have rooms on the inside where we remove the finishes so we can get access to the backside to review the vapor bear it's almost completely disintegrated throughout the building code requires us for the point of not just using energy to constantly throw dry cold air at it we have to prevent the moisture from coming in the vapor drive to move its way through the cement plaster into the buildings so we would have to remove a lot of that stucco just to put that new Vapor Barrier throughout the building so we could prevent that moisture infiltration um lastly the windows and the doors um none of the window windows and doors have appropriate headers uh if you're familiar with the header it's a structural element because all the exterior walls are bearing which means there's trusses bearing and pushing down the headers are typically a structural beam between an opening all of those headers are currently Sills which means they're turned in the weakest dimension for wood it is it is a non-structural and it's nothing with regards to hurricanes of connecting an impact rated window it has to be an appropriate opening none of the windows nor doors in Sutton Hall have the appropriate even if we put a brand new window in we'd have to reframe every opening to give it the appropriate weight and strength to resist the hurricane winds that would be hitting the window or door itself um lastly is structure uh what you're looking at in your slide is the methodology that we've used so you have different kinds of loads in a building you have gravity load which is pushing down you have lateral loads which push the building left and right but we in Florida are lucky enough to have a third load which a lot of don't which is uplift uplift is what most of the buildings are driven by because what it is is the fent of the hurricane actually lifting the building up digging its F digging its fingers the wind's fingers into your eaves and basically pulling the building apart that is one of the most challenging loads to handle and it's Unique to especially South Florida but it's a very unique thing for Florida as we've experienced three times this year as we've talked about uh nothing in this building is actually connected with any type of connector or infrastructure that would tie the building together the mainstream Footers just have a it's just a large Lumber sitting on top of it with no connecting and the studs are uh Penny nailed or nailed on angles through to basically connect it this is the methodology we've used before which is a it's kind of a clo wheel go bolt system and you're basically taking a threaded rod from the absolute foundation and every 4 to 6 feet you're running a threaded Rod all the way up the vertical every kind of every six feet up the walls you then are tying to your roof our roof is made because of the size of building is made up of multiple pieces and they're and they're lapped which if you know when you try to fasten two long boards together you move it that lap is quite critical there's no medical connectors so not only we have to tie the gold bolt to the ridge we have to then tie the rafters together and create a continuous envelope of connection from the foundation to the roof to back to the foundation in almost a continuous path that would all be well and good except for the fact that our foundations cannot handle the uplift So Not only would we have to go in and them with this vertical connection we'd actually have to bring in underpinning devices which is a foundation mechanism which we go into each of the foundations and drive underpinning piles in order to have the appropriate uplift to connect the building to meet the hurricane codes that we exist with this particular region that would involve removal of most of the inside floors the inside joist because the building is up high as you indicated we can crawl underneath it you'd actually have to bring in special Machinery to lift it into the building then lower it back to the soil as you're working on the inside to drill piles on both the inside and the outside cuz you have interior columns and exterior columns so you can't just work from just the outside and work your way around which would involve basically removing most if not all of the ground floor and the beams and the joists just to get access to put the the foundations into the ground floor um so with that those are the the critical kind of five big keys I'm going to let Ryan kind of wrap up this up so I recorded that and I'm going to run it through Google Translate for everybody to be able to interpret later but uh in in kind of ins summation uh around constructibility because the exterior stucco and the wood is kind of the diaphragm of the building it's holding it together all the all the wood and stuck on the outside is is is keeping it together uh we can't just go and remove that exterior sheathing or the building would fall down so it has to be done in small segments uh so as you can see here uh we looked at it through a six- phased approach and uh I'll I'll I'll kind of summarize it and just go we have to do this Restoration in 20 to 30 foot segments um and how I don't know if you've been through a lot of historical remodels here in Temple Terrace but the building department uh would be getting a a request for an engineered letter every 3 days as we go to the next section and it would probably in our estimation take an additional 10 to 14 months above normal construction schedules to do this because we could only do this Restoration in a 20ft segment at a time and if you look at those wings of the building there's a lot of those um so that the the timing and constructibility becomes problematic and to wrap this up because I think that uh we're we're just about out of time to translate what Carlos said into into very layman's terms there's not a piece of roof that would be left because of the asbestos there would not be a piece of floor that's left in this building because it would have to be taken out to do underpinning underneath it there's not an interior wall that would be left because we have to Dem all of the electrical and the plumbing and the mechanical there's not an exterior wall that would remain because we have to take off the outside sheathing there's not a staircase that would remain because none of them are code compliant so I want you just to imagine with everything that's going to come out of this building my team on one side of the building and your team on the other and we're having a conversation through it because the only thing that's left is the studs that's where we're at that would be the only thing that's preserved from history or the studs and even that only about 60% of them because we have to put in headers and structurally renew some of these things um so the ability to be able to restore this building becomes unfeasible and unrecognizable none of the columns that you would normally see coming in with the with the with the beautiful headdresses on them they'd all be under ceiling none of the floors would remain fireplaces would be gone the staircases would be gone the roof would be gone all the plumbing electrical Mechanicals all out of there and you would have zigzagging ramps 60 to 70 ft in the front and back of the building and huge staircase mezzanines at each wing it would not be something that you would recognize as Sutton Hall so that um I think pretty much sums up and we can talk a bit about student safety but even if I were to go through all of that and remodel it I would still not be able to water proof the basement that's on this building and so you would or I would nor would I be able to put a vapor barrier underneath the building so you would be fighting moisture for the rest of the life of this building potentially having mold issues with life safety with students living in there and maybe even looking at a remodel like this within 25 to 30 years again that's where we're at with a building in our professional opinion with that I'm turn it over to Dr Weaver thank you for your time mayor well wasn't that uplifting so um Sage is a grief right and so you recognize what we've been through trying to understand what we're facing here and so it is a kind of depressing situation we moved to the stage of except and we're looking forward to what we can put there in its place and we currently plan to have components of Sutton Hall uh built into the new building um with you know uh pictures and and Recollections of what it's meant both to the community and to the college we want to honor our past even as we look forward to a bright future we want to explain that to you because it's a it's a loss for our community and we don't celebrate in fact we we we grieve it but we also want to do it we try to do it as as conscientiously and as expertly as we could wanted to explain it to the community and I look forward to additional conversation about this as we go forward thank you all for your kind attention tonight thank you doctor there may be some questions forc council members that was pretty pretty pretty concise yes I don't questions I do council member Fernandez so I think my questions are probably more for the restoration team than than for the college and so my so my questions are um if you look at Flagler College and you look at the buildings that were not long ago purchased from Florida East Coast Railway CSX to become dorms they have all their original stairways and the original elevators I know I I actually worked in that building I audited Florida East Coast Railway so I know it's the same and my son lived there um for a year so those don't meet code today so how are um and there are other buildings on Flagler where the stairs don't don't meet code U as far as the rise Etc so how are they able to restore those historic buildings and not meet code now I know that there are other problems um maybe with the construction of this building but I don't I don't understand how how are the stairs able to not meet code in other historic buildings but they would need to meet code in this building and students do live in those buildings uh stairs with regards to main stairs and historic stairs uh if they're the grand stairs and such a lot of times the load will be taken off with other stairs like we talked about fire stairs on a lot of historic buildings and you you see them in eore city you'll have exterior stairs that are attached to the building those are the actual stairs so in an event of emergency you're told to move away from the the attractive the the ceremonial stairs you'll go to more of a fire stair scenario where there other stairs so you're still going to see those historic stairs but they're not part of the life safety component of the building um and other designated buildings you can go through you can keep those those elements and you can actually again we we said it we can reconstruct and build it and change and you a lot of times you'll see the old railings then you'll see another one attached on top that's a very traditional way of handling those um that's if it's just a railing problem and I have been to flag I have seen a lot of the structures uh the other big thing is those are masonry building a lot of those are masonry concrete and St and stone building so the expansion and contraction of those buildings is more consistent with the exterior facade again the challenge with this building is the fact that it's a woodframe building and it's moving so much that the the outside material and and the the structure itself are not moving at the same rate which cause cracks which has caused water mitigation um so that's where the one of the big differences of that particular those those beautiful historic buildings do have a different set of Bones within the walls that are that not the same kind of apples to oranges in terms of this particular structure okay just ma'am to add one thing to that on the third from last slide and I don't know if I'm able to get that back up or not um but the geometry of the building being that it goes out in three wings with a center structure takes away our ability to be able to improvise emergency egress in the middle um Flagger College I've been there many many times there's not a building on that campus that I can recall that that has this particular geometry which really really imposes a great great task on us to be able to develop emergency egress as you see it's it's in three wings so what happens all the way out in that back Corridor out there um basically the only way to do it was against the staircase it takes up most of that Center section anyway you'd have to put a secondary staircase in that middle section which again would be an unrecognizable restoration um considering that would have to be the emergency eress and then you'd have a decorative one over here to nod to the historical aspect it would be almost unusable aesthetically and functionality but yes ma'am so this is also for you um was there any time that there could have been some sort of I don't want to say renovation maybe but um maintenance or some sort of addressing the property through the years that might have kept us from getting to this point uh the life safety the Ada are functions of the design the geometry of the building and you said it very well prohibits the ability to to locate a central elevator a central stair and the fact that we have to because of the wing nature of the building we do have to put more than we normally would of egress stairs ramps and lifts just to make this Mo and again you you go up up and up there's like three steps and they're they're not even sequential they're they're separated so the the design the orientation in no way would have been maintenance would in no way solve these as well as the ceiling height again for foot long Corridor of students this is the height of your ceiling there's nothing we can do about that maintenance would not have prohibited that duct work return Air Supply Air fire sprinklers electrical infrastructure these are all things that we need that code requires us and those have nothing to do with the m that's just the the the original design and the orientation of the building that would have not been affected by it so no ma'am okay I have a now I have a question for the college and that is um how many historical buildings are still present on the campus we've never had a historic register building on the campus I don't mean I don't mean that it's been registered I mean just that it is one of the older buildings and not something that you've built new um I think that Sutton would be one of three that remain on campus dyus Hall goes back aways to war war II the 1940s Wilson Hall as well we've renovated that our nursing program is in that um the Campus Center which was a Club Monaco was demolished 2018 2019 that was one of the older buildings and Sutton would have been the fourth that's on we have two I think of four that would date back to the' 40s you have the chapel also that's correct that goes back to the' 60s and I I know about that because my grandfather was the architect on that building so is the question I have about any of the older structures on the campus are you able to do anything because there's a lot of there are a lot of people in the community who are very disappointed that Club Monaco had to come down that this building will need to come down and I understand some of the reasons obviously but um they're concerned about some of the older structures in the city are located on that property um I'm not obviously we have houses throughout the city but you know are you planning to M be are you planning to structure it so that you can maintain the buildings that do exist that are of an older nature that may have some architectural or historical significance to the community uh will you be able to going forward keep those or you know is is the plan to basically kind of rebuild uh we want to honor our past and we have I would point for example to Wilson Hall that's been there and we we' spent significant re resources to renovate that and so of course and even this year uh Hutchinson Auditorium which you're referring to we've done some upgrades there and plan to do that going forward so yes there's a concern for our older buildings and trying as we can to maintain them and I would just reiterate what we're here talking about is the is the sad result of multiple years of trying with Sutton Hall to make it work and we just weren't able to and so we'll continue in that same vein trying to care for our history as we realize the best possible future for our students in community going forwards yes we share that concern and obviously love our community and want to preserve as much as we can the history of the college and the and the community absolutely thank you yeah Al set yeah council member Chambers thank you uh I know it's a a very tough decision uh when will the community see uh plans or what's going to be going in there I would say early next year right now we're working with the design studio to try to work towards a design that we can share March April of next year okay thank you yeah I I have a couple questions Dr so I'm assuming from the presentation that the inside of this building is fairly original as is the outside that it's the same basic layout rooms hallways well the building has gone significant change over the years I would say so um since since the construction 1922 no there's been multiple changes to the original We but so no there's been quite a bit of differences there okay so what was the original purposes of the building was it a hotel yeah a hotel for the kind of a it was the clubhouse for the golf course so the rooms the the dorm rooms there though aren't the same rooms that they were the hotel rooms back in the I think many of them are actually yeah there's some original sizing of the room that's correct okay um so it was used as a dor or as a it was as a dorm on campus many years it was Art well it was served a number of functions it was a library a a cafeteria and also a women's dorm for most of the time what do you plan to build there to replace it will that be student housing no we don't need student housing over the past 20 years we've construct we've constructed or renovated three uh women's dorms or equal to our need um currently the plan is to have a space that would provide gather greater Gathering space for our students and also for the community we lack spaces which provide banquet type areas or gathering spaces for our students to be able to get together and just kind of have life together like a student center kind of something like a Student Center our Welcome Center we're working on that right now we hope also to be able to put some classrooms and some faculty offices in the building would it be multi floors like it is now yes we hope so yes similar square footage I think so we'd like yeah we'd like to see I mean that's one thing that's currently under consideration is can we go more than two floors is that conceivable and we have obviously have limitations there within the city and uh but the current planning is for a similar square footage yeah so let me ask you this I don't know how far along you are with the Design Concepts of the replacement building and I understand you want to build something that's modern and relevant in today's world not you know looking back a hundred years and build some Relic that nobody wants but is it conceivable to construct a new building that is reminiscent of the old building on the outside yeah on the outside now the inside might not look like that and I I understand what you were saying about the challenges of the three wings and but if you're doing new design you can build in some stair Wells I mean you have a blank slate so you could you're not as restricted by the design of the building if you're building new yes and so I I realize that it's not Sutton Hall and it's not going to be Su hle and it's not going to I mean I get it but um it's kind of not a bad design and you could probably do a lot with that to make it reminiscent of Sutton Hall and still have a nice modern building with proper ceiling Heights and and you know the public doesn't really go well they might if it's a student center you might have events there but I mean most of the public doesn't know what the inside looked like 100 years ago anyway so the inside could be modern but the outside could be kind of reminiscent of and that would lend itself to preserving some of the architectural features of the building some of the some of the original pieces of the building and you know kind of putting them on display here and there this is what the original building looked like and I don't know you're singing Our Song mayor and that's exactly right the question is you know so I mean we're right now we're looking at the Aesthetics and what we want to do you know you may know the rest of the much of the rest of the campus that on that end has a kind of a Mediterranean field to it we're looking at how we can maintain that in a modern way and I think that bespeaks how do we you know honor the Sutton aesthetic in the new building so absolutely cuz I mean it fits well on the on the piece of property yeah because it was designed to fit on that piece of property um it's got some even in today's world it's not a terrible design you could do a lot with that make an open Atrium and you know the entryway and yeah and you may know there are there are buildings in the area which hearken back to the Met kind of the old Mediterranean stucco and the and the clay roof but have a modern feel to them exactly and so that's what we're that's what we're looking at ex you don't have to have some you know new no modern design that could be faithful to the no absolutely and we we're also conscious you know we live on a golf course and so we want it to be a a building that looks beautiful uh for those who are on the golf course and for the community so we're very much concerned with the external look as well as the functionality and so one one more question for you and this is not I don't want to put you on the spot this is not a question you need to answer now I'll talk to you offline about this but um there is a USF Professor who uh Steven Fernandez is his name he's nationally renowned expert in Light Art and he has mapped um several historic buildings probably some of the ones that you've worked on you guys might know him uh he mapped Union Station in in Tampa some of the um historic buildings down there I think he might have done some in eore but I don't want to misspeak but I called him and asked him if he would be amable to maybe mapping and for those of you not familiar with this Technologies like radar or sonar except with lights it's laser and they can create a digital model of anything that is within hundreds of an inch of accuracy um and Stephen Fernandez was recruited at USF because he's one of the national experts in this technology um if they map something the the data volume is huge in fact it exceeds what we can even work with today it would but you could create conceivably you can create an exact replica of this building using artificial intelligence or using imagery so that you can preserve this forever we don't even have the computer technology today to take full advantage of what the light R capabilities are but once we have it scanned we have it forever so that when the computer technology catches up we can display this someday in a digital Museum or something I mean you could walk through the halls of suton Hall using um virtual reality or something you'd actually be able to walk through the building now he told me he did he'd have to check with the university and find out but he also had a lot of questions about the condition of the building is it safe can you get you know can would we want to do just the outside or the inside and and these are questions that I would like to connect your team and his team to absolutely love it um fascinating but that might create at least a digital Archive of this for future posterity maybe something we can display in the new building as well and so yeah yeah I don't I mean we can we don't even have the ability to take full advantage of the capabilities until computers Advance which I know really kind of hard to believe but um so anyhow I'll talk to you offline about that but other questions council members Carlos anything thank you thank you gentlemen for being here appreciate it thank you for presentation thank you thank you good night okay is there a motion to approve the minutes of our November 4th meeting second L approve I thought you said it right was he started trying to he started I thought he did so we have a motion and a second yes all those in favor signify with i i i okay minutes are adopted persons wishing to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or items on the consent agenda there are forms in the back of the r everybody cleared out pretty quick there are I looked down and I looked up and everybody's gone so um there are forms in the you can go Troy it's up to Carlos but um forms in the back of the room if you wish to address the council I currently have two requests to speak the first is Mr lobe good evening even uh my name is Charles love I live over in teris park and the first thing I put on there was a prayer first of all I want to put a say a prayer of thoughts to and emotional support for the people who lost property over during Hurricane Milton the second is I want to say a prayer of gratitude uh to you know for surviving it and all that and doing well and uh you know and for people like you honor tonight and other people who did help out to do the best they can to help us out go through it and finally a prayer of hope that um that the rain and the cold weather will not do more um will not do more to aggravate this community that already has been done a couple of other things that of course I want to bring up first of all I want to mention the book sale I brought in a flyer and it's going to begin on Third and it's going to begin Thursday uh 10:00 a.m. and I'll leave the flyer with uh with uh Cheryl over there so you all can pass it around as reminder and it'll be Thursday Friday and Saturday uh also um I was wondering and I brought this up to the Terrace Park neighborhood association last night about your Centennial program I was wondering is that online entirely or would it be possible I have some contact information for them because they are interested the leadership is interested in being involved with the city Centennial and supporting the city Centennial and I was kind of hoping that you know we could get together when I saying we the association can get together with you all and help make this I'll make this even better for you and for us as well another thing I did much as I hate to make this meeting even a little request this meeting be even a little bit longer I was wondering if they had that meeting uh downtown for the national Le of cities and if they did if you all would want to talk at least a little bit about that uh I'm sure that would be very very interesting for people to know what you all are talking about if they have the meaning what you all be talking about with the cities Nationwide and finally uh I do want to say this uh but I'm going to be very brief about saying I don't have that much time anyway uh I remember mayor Ross saying that people have to go and speak for themselves when it comes down back on October 15th uh come and speak for themselves you know dealing witho and all that um I did speak for myself with my bill I wrote six pages but that's just for starting on the notebook I'm going to give them a chance to absorb that and then I'm have another I don't know how long it's going to be and going into more detail on the building uh but the idea of the important thing is that the mayor's like the mayor said the people have to speak for themselves of how they feel uh good or in good or bad as well depending upon the service and I thank you all and have a nice evening thank you Mr L uh on Carlos Perez our newest board member on the historical preservation board good evening Mr pz good evening Mr Mayor thank you for the opportunity to need council members Mr Baya um I wanted to uh say how dismay I am that on the 100th anniversary of uh our of our city we just heard this proposal to demolish Sutton Hall um I'm not confident the track record of the school is pretty lousy and it goes back to documentation from 1988 there was a survey done of properties in Temple Terrace the only one of its kind by the Tampa historic Hillsboro County historic preservation board an entity that doesn't exist anymore and they mapped 400 buildings out of which close to 60 were determined to have historical significance Sutton Hall is one of those already back then 40 years ago it was recommended that the building needed renovation and so what happened that the school never did anything really or sent it to be registered in the nominated in the National register um to put it in perspective the the study has a map and uh this is what we lose when we lose our properties and we risk coming becoming another Florida town with strip malls and gas stations the blue stars are the properties that we've lost the green star is Sutton Hall and the concentration of building the Stars here these are all the buildings from Florida College so the questions that council member Fernandez and the mayor ask were right on point um and I would urge the school to be because I think of a school as a place of creation not of Destruction so I ask them rather than be talking about the six stages or five stages of grief why don't we talk about the joys of Resurrection or let's say restoration renovation and reconstruction and I want to end there's a local preservationist and contractor by the name of Danny Moody and he authorized me to read the following questions the reason he's not here is because he was in Tallahassee today precisely working attending an event where $21 million were being dispensed throughout the state for historic preservation projects and this is a perfect case Sutton Hall of a building that could have been that could have benefited from such an initiative he wants to know if a nonpartisan construction professional was consulted to provide an unbiased opinion on the building structural integrity and is there funding and a concrete plan in place for the Sut hole building space in the unfortunate event that it is raised or will it share the same sad fate of the historic Club Morocco and the other buildings in the map which now is a grass field thank you for your attention thank you Mr Perez okay um is there a motion to approve the consent agenda move to approve the consent agenda second all those in favor say I I I oppose no a consent agenda is adopted next is a resolution approving a contract with Granger maintenance and Construction Inc for the east1 27th Avenue lift station Rehabilitation project and our city engineer Brian McCarthy is here to explain good evening honorable mayor and city council uh Brian McCarthy city engineer and this evening I'm here seeking um approval to award our um East 127th lift station project uh rehab to Granger maintenance and construction this lift station is in the northwest corner of the city in Pleasant Terrace um here in the figure you can kind of see the uh the purple lines are going to be our pipe Network in the existing conditions then the uh L in the in the white box is kind of our existing lift station and so with this storm water Improvement project we decided to split this up into two phases the first phase is being the storm water lift station rehab which which is going to be new pumps uh new generator and new control panels and other miscellaneous items and the second phase is the storm water easement improvements where we would be looking at a new drainage Inlet regrading retaining walls so the first phase of this project we'll use the remaining balance of our American Rescue plan act funding um so and excuse me and phase two would no longer be tied to arpa funding and we would look at using uh streets and storm water funds to to complete the rest of this project uh as the city manager mentioned during one of the previous meetings um the city is considering purchasing one of the properties uh adjacent to the lift station and that would kind of alter our phase two plan and so we would be kind of considering a uh a stormw water Pond rather than making improvements to the easements so to kind of recap phase one would kind of close out our r funding requirements and then phase two is would get funded just through a different funding source and is also kind of currently on pause while we work through an additional scenario uh in terms of our procurement process with this bid um we advertised back in September and in October unfortunately we didn't receive any bids um from the contract Contracting industry so with us in November or at the end of October we started looking at other options within our purchasing manual on what we could do to procure these These funds for the LT station and so we looked at doing a we found a Wastewater lift station rehab that the Hillsboro County has and it was an opportunity to piggyback um off of their contract given it's a slightly different in terms of like water quality as being the one of the major differences between these two different types of lift stations uh we reached out to Granger and they were amable to the piggyback option um once we went through their contract we noticed that there are four items not included um within our city bid compared to what was included in the uh County bid and that's makes sense when it comes to our preferences um when it comes to our pumps and generators and so we're looking at um within our purchase manual excuse me within our purchasing manual uh we're allowed well excuse me staff is requesting the city manager to use this detrimental exception and to quote the purchasing manual because of the nature of the commodity or service comp competitive bidding is impossible impractical not advantageous to the city or cannot be obtained considering that we advertised the um project once already we weren't able to obtain any bids um we did look at the piggyback option but unfortunately we just weren't able to um secure all the items within our project and So based upon those reasons we're proposing to use the County's contract to piggyback and then use the detrimental exception for the last few items and so with that staff is just recommending that city council approved the expenditure of 68,69 to Granger maintenance and construction to rehab the East 127th uh storm water lift station and I'm available for any questions thank you Mr McCarthy are other members of the public who wish to comment on this council members if you'll let me ask two questions and then I'll go down the day I might save you some time Mr Ingram would you please this is you're okay with this for our purchasing manual yes yes we discuss this in length okay and it is uh very reasonable it's an Arta project they did try to go out the bid they made good with it that's all okay we're good your Sean you're good with it okay council members questions I do have how much we're breaking this between phase one and phase two how much of the 608 is going to be phase one uh all of it will be phase all all so this this whole thing is All Phase One okay I'm good I'm good yeah thank you do you have any idea why we receive no bids I think one of the reasons is the Contracting industry is just flooded right now with work so no pun that was a pun that's good I like that yes Engineers would to have fun too okay thank you council member Fern waiting all day to see council member Fernandez okay so um Granger did not bid but they they have a lot of work going on so I guess what I'm concerned about is they didn't think the project fit into their schedule or they weren't interested in the project so they did not submit a bid but how so how are how are they going to do the work how how do they have time to do the work if they previously didn't think the project I mean they they would have bid if they wanted the project originally so now they're agreeing to take it as a piggyback on the existing Hillsboro County project but I I guess I'm I'm not understanding of thought process behind this one of the reasons again I can't speak on behalf of Granger but one of the reasons might be just the storm water list station aspect of it again they're all focused on the Wastewater aspect Wastewater projects and so it just might not have been on their radar when they when the bid popped up on theand store or on the city's website okay so and since we did not receive any bids how do we know that this pricing is a reasonable price for the work that we need to have done so I would think it's reasonable in that the majority of the price items was in the county contract so it's already been kind of vetted once in terms of the the dollar value okay and then my question my last question is for city manager well I I don't know you can direct whoever but so it has to do with the storm water issues that that area has had in the thought process of buying one of the properties um would the second phase well first off what what will this first phase alleviate and then will the second phase when will we know what the decision is is whether we create a retention Pond or uh go with our original thought so the the the first phase is sort of the the biggest item of this project which is dealing with the lift station basically rebuilding this lift station it was part of the whole project from day one right the the second phase is somewhat in question right now because we've late the last month or so taken a different tact because we have an opportunity that we were not presented with let's say a year ago uh we would probably have that resolved I would imagine and within the next month to two months at most I would think that we'd have some resolution I think both parties that are involved here uh would probably want to get that to a point where it's before you and we can tell you this we're going to go in this direction and recommend that to you or we could say it just didn't work out and we're going to go back to the original plan okay all right that's it for me good thank you council members any discussion I guess we're past the uh is there a motion Mo to approve the resolution to approve a resolution approving contract with Granger maintenance and construction for the East 12th Avenue lift station Rehabilitation project second motion to Second discussion of the motion all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays Okay resolution is adopted next item is a resolution approving an emergency storm water repair with Cross Creek environmental in at the Temple Terrace Golf Course hole number seven which we've discussed here previously and our city engineer will now explain good evening again honorable mayor and city council Brian McCarthy city engineer and I'm here this evening seeking approval for our emergency repair workor around Temple Terrace Golf Course whole 7 um storm water project to Cross Creek environmental so when we were when we were first notified of the issue back in September we reached out to a couple contractors to get idea of what the cost is going to be unfortunately one of the contractors backed out just again based upon the construction industry right now it's just filled with work for everybody opportunity wise so our second contractor our other contractor Cross Creek environmental stated that they were interested in doing the work and could get started we're going with the emergency procurement route because we wanted to complete this item during the dry season that we're entering into now um if we were to go through the formal bid process um we were expecting it to take about 6 months to B to complete the bids select the bidder and for them to then mobilize into the area by then we would be entering the wet season on the figure on the screen is kind of a a bird's eyee view of whole seven um there's there's three issues there's two erosion issues along the Northwest and the Southwest portions of the pond and then the pond control structure uh ended up collapsing here are a couple fi pictures that we took the uh the picture on the left is of the erosion issue on the northwest corner of the pond and then the picture on the right is the erosion issue along the south portion of the pond uh our contractor is going to refill um raise the draining structure back up reattach the pipe and then for the left side and then on the right side looking to add additional fill and compact that Palm burn back to uh where it was before on the the next couple pictures the picture on the left is of the outfall control structure that's where the uh the burn collapsed excuse me failed causing the structur to collapse um one of the reasons why we think it failed is during our review we noticed that there wasn't any rip wrap on the Downstream end of the structure that was uh originally part of the design plans on the picture on the right is um field staffs work to help Shore up the uh burm to help prevent it from eroding more um we also have Sil fence um further Downstream to capture any silt that's running uh further Downstream um and with that um staff is just recommending approval of the expenditure of 100 6 7,875 to Cross Creek environmental for the uh emergency storm water repair at the uh Temple Terrace Golf Course whole 7 thank you Mr McCarthy are there members of the public who wish to comment on this seeing none Mr Ingram same question if you'd come up and please this meet the criteria for our procurement rules um yes it does uh due to the emergency situation um and uh well outside of outside of the rules too uh just wanted to make a point out that we do have money and the street Improvement which all storm water projects fall under U we have money under the reserve to cover I just want to make sure that everything we're doing is according to our rules yes yes City attorney yeah Florida statute allows for no B okay emergency situations very good thank you council members questions I do I do council member Fernandez so I my it's not really a question it's more just to for people that might be listening that that might say wait this is a pond on the golf course this is a water hazard on the golf course can you explain why this is actually the city responsibility so this Pond does accept uh runoff from the roadways and it was permitted through the Water Management District um for treatment and attenuation mainly because of the roadway piece of it rather than just directly discharging into the Hillsboro River um we agreed to treat and attenuate based upon the current standards at the time that it was constructed but it's part of our the city's storm water management that just happens to be located in this area I just want to make sure people understand if they're listening that it's not the city repairing something that would be a golf course responsibility yes that's correct that's it thank you is there a motion I have a question oh I'm sorry um who has reviewed the fix to make sure that it's going to sus work and and and sustained into the future because I think sorry um outside I mean is it just internal we look we talk to anybody else about it because we thought what was there was was Secure to begin with and it failed on an afternoon rain it also failed because there wasn't any additional rip WP on the downstream end of that structure I haven't been there in years it's been a long time that that that burm has been there for a long time without a feeling I'm not saying what we're doing is wrong I'm just wondering have we looked we talked to anybody any any other engineering um entities besid unless you've looked at it this is your professional opinion then that's fine but it it's is the fix going to last so what we are doing is we are adding additional matting to this edge of the BM as well as Rip wrap on both both ends how far down um probably no more than where the control structures are okay thank you city manager I just want to pick up a little bit on what council member schisler just pointed out so one thing to Just note is we're doing our research now because of all the storm water we've had and all the issues uh if you compare just the mons of July August September and October from 2023 those months generated about 19 inches of rain for this Temple Terrace area this year those same months generated 54 Ines of rain so all that water even though it was an afternoon rain that kind of pushed that over the edge the ground was already saturated so it was probably going to go at some point that afternoon rain just pushed it through so I want to make sure that the public understands it was there's a reason why that pond collapsed and there was a lot of environmental factors that went into that in addition to the fact that the rip wrap was obviously not there so um it we're hoping that we don't have more of these but that but there's this extenda any factors environmental factors that impacted that this year well the the the failure occurred prior to Helen and and and um Milton so it was that that heavy afternoon that heavy Sunday Rain that we had would originally collapsed and so it was you know it's we could have that again in a couple of years I just want to make sure that we're we're putting we're not just putting a Band-Aid on it that we're actually going to try and do every we can to to make sure that it's complete and secure I'm good with it okay is there a motion move to approve a resolution uh for an emergency storm water repair with Cross Creek environmental at the um pond off of uh whole 7 for the country at the crra course second motion a second discussion all those in favor sign I with i i i opposed no Nays thank you Mr McCarthy next is a resolution to authorize execution of a Community Development block crint inter local agreement with hillsbrook County and our finance director Jim Ingram is here to explain yes thank you good evening mayor and city council I am pinch chitting for Jennifer Newman who took ill today and uh just a quick note I sorry she missed the uh presentation night because she had a lot to do with our finance team responding to the storm now to the uh cdbg Community Development block grant to retain access to the city share of the community block grant funds provided for Council approval is the fiscal year 24 interlocal agreement with Hillsboro County this agreement shall commence upon execution by both parties and shall remain in full force and effect until March 31st 2026 the funding for the projects must be expended by December 31st of 2025 any funds not expended under this agreement must be returned to the county to be reprogrammed into the county cdbg budget funds made aail ailable through this agreement are utilized to provide benefit to low and moderate income persons the following activities are funded in the proposed agreement replacement of water mains sidewalk repair resurfacing roads ditch maintenance and pavement markings it is recommended that the city council adopt a resolution authorizing execution of an agreement between Hillsboro County and the City of Temple Terrace to fund initiatives under the Community Development block grant program in the amount of $542,000 and one final note this is larger amounts of money than usual but that is because and you'll see it actually on the first page of the interlocal agreement that um that are moving two years of unexpended funds and projects into this particular year along with the projects for this year so that was the county that wanted to do that and um that explains the amount being a little larger than if it was just onee project or projects in one year and I stand for any questions and thank Mr KY is also here if there any thank you Mr Ingram are there members of the public who wish to comment on this Mr L yeah very briefly on I think he said $933 the motion says $993 sorry I [Applause] missed oh on the the 5 42,900 yeah I think you said 33 I'm sorry I I I might have misspoke I apologize thank you Mr council members do you have questions sorry I do council member Fernandez it's just one question and that is do we already have the projects delineated or is this a block grant that is just a pool of money that we will be drawing from throughout the year I believe we have the projects delineated but Bryant can speak to they're in the budget but they we have the specific projects that will utilize the this funds that's it any other questions council members is there a motion move to approve the resolution to authorize execution of a cdbg inter local agreement with Hillsboro County second motion the second is there discussion of the motion seeing none all those in favor say I I I opposed no nay resolution is adopted thank you thank you Mr Ingam next is the first public hearing and first reading of an ordinance to adopt a five-year Capital Improvement schedule of projects for fiscal year 2425 through fiscal year 2829 and incorporating a 10-year long-term improvements for the multimodal transportation district for fiscal year 2425 through 2334 into the schedule of projects um I'll open the public hearing and city planner annah is here to explain good evening ma'am good evening mayor and city council yes this is the first public reading and hearing to adopt the 5-year Capital Improvement schedule of projects for fiscal year 25- 29 and to adopt the 10-year Transportation projects for fiscal year 25 through 2034 the CIS Capital Improvement section schedule projects has to be updated annually per Florida Statutes and it's adopted by uh ordinance the Planning Commission uh staff coordinates with the finance department to obtain information on the capital Improvement program the CIP program totals 71 million for fiscal year 25 to 29 ranging uh from the various program areas the Planning Commission uh then extrapolates the data from the CIP with projects affecting the Los which uh they find totals $50 million for fiscal year 25 through 29 and they also coordinate with engineering on a 10-year uh Transportation project plan uh that gets included into the CIS schedule of projects the Planning Commission finds that the CIP and CIS schedule projects is consistent with the comprehensive plan uh they actually approved the uh resolution last night so I do have a copy with me if you would like that um but Planning Commission staff will be here to present at the second Hearing in public reading staff recommends city council approve the first reading and public hearing and schedule the second public hearing and reading for December 3rd you thank you Miss anay is there are there members of the public who wish to comment on this Mr lobe you have to come to the podium sir state your name you want me to fill another form or anything like that no okay uh what I I was noticing that you did not mention specific projects maybe on December 3rd that they will be mentioning specific projects I can think of obviously I've work with out with councilman schisler down at heart and um and other people other times over at F doot and all that and of course the top of the thing that comes to my head would be a direct connection between USF and the City of Temple teras for example especially if it's by premium bus transportation if something like that would be on the plan uh but there's probably a lot of other comment I could give you on that if I could actually see what exactly is maybe after December 3rd or maybe if there is something in writing about the specific Natures of what projects they would happen to have in mind for this area and for you all specifically especially with the stadium scheduled to be opening up in September of 2027 for on the USF pro thank you other members of the public wish to comment just a reminder council members this is an annual thing we do every year the project lists are long very lengthy they go out five years in one case 10 years in another so they are attached to the agenda they've been made available to the public but we don't not going to spend three hours going down the the project list and discussing each one also as a reminder the projects that are projected out our placeholders and when we create the budget every year some of those projects may get changed or eliminated or other projects get added so they're not necessarily that we're committed to buying that truck in 2027 we may buy that truck next year and or decide to not buy that truck at all and you know so this is these are placeholders so are there any questions council members for missa okay very good if that's the case then I will close the public here and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance an ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace Florida providing for the annual modification and update to the capital Improvement section of the 20140 comprehensive plan for the city of Temple Terrace pursuant to chapter 163 Florida Statutes by modifying and updating the 5-year Capital Improvement schedule of project of projects for fiscal year 2024 through 2025 through fiscal year 2028 through 2029 and incorporating the 10-year long-term improvements for the multimodal transportation districts for the 2025 through 2034 into the schedule of projects which incorporates by reference per the comprehensive plan cap policy 1.5.3 Hillsboro County Metropolitan planning organizations Mo Transportation Improvement program tip Hillsboro area re Regional Transit Hearts Transit development plan TDP and Hillsboro County Public Schools facilities work program providing severability and effective date and repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in Conflict here with thank you madam clerk is there a motion move to approve the ordinance to adopt the 5-year Capital Improvement schedule of projects for fiscal year 2024 2025 through fiscal year 2028 2029 and incorporating the 10year long 10-year long-term improvements for the multimodal transportation district for fiscal year 2024 2025 through 2023 2034 for the schedule of projects on first reading second that was a mouthful I had to put it far away so I can see it we have a motion a second is there discussion of the motion if not all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays um ordinance 1576 will appear for a second reading in public hearing on Tuesday December the 3rd 2024 next item is a second public hearing of a resolution adopting the final site plan for property located at site B of the wood stor Plaza plat which is part of folio number 1 19955 4- 0732 I will open the public hearing and our city planner Miranda an i is here to explain hello again yes this is the uh second public hearing and reading of spr 2403 this is an aerial view of the subject property in the surrounding area it will be subdivided into two uh from the folio number as shown in the plane development master plan the proposed acreage for the subject property is 1.01 Acres an applicant is requesting a car wash establishment this was the PD master plan that was approved in 2017 and it's part of the Telecom Park drri uh it was approved uh for six sites and uh the site before you for uh site B uh the project was approved with 11 conditions and then it was later amended to include um automo automobile washing services here's the site plan for the car wash DRC has no issues with the site plan the applicant did submit a parking study that staff is in favor for of according to the EPC lot 7A was approved for mitigation which is the area in red for 4.7 acres in the 1985 Swift Mud permit in 2017 environment environmentalist uh conducted a wetland delineation and came to 5.94 acres which is shown in yellow and proposed that only 4 Acres actually needs to be mitigated and that coincides with the uh plat the applicant is proposing 8 ft to the Wetland uh which differs from the telecon drri requirements and the LDC requirements of 100 ft the applicant is also requesting to obtain building permits and plat before Co instead of uh platting the property first in this specific case staff has no objections and this will help the completion of the last two lots of the PD and sight SE will come before you at a at a later time here are the elevations for the car wash and the signage Associated and the sign locations DRC recommends approval of the final site plan community community development recommends city council approve the second reading in second public hearing by resolution and the Seven conditions uh that I read aloud last time have not changed from the last public hearing thank you Miss I are the members of the public who wish to comment on this see none council members questions no questions if there are no questions question I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the resolution a resolution of the city of Temple terce Florida approving final site plan spr 24-3 for a car wash for property located on the Southeast corner of East Fletcher Avenue Telecom Drive Lion in section 11 Township 28 range 19 P poolio 19955 4- 0732 subject to any conditions of approval applied by the city council providing for correction of typographical errors repealing all resolutions of parts of resolutions in Conflict here with and providing for an effective date thank you madam clerk is there a motion sure um move to approve uh the second public hearing of a resolution adopting the final site plan for property located at site B of the wood stor Plaza plat part of folio number 19955 4- 0732 including the conditions as Ed second very good Motion in a second and we're all proud of you for remembering to include the conditions she was ready I know the City attorney was excited so okay we have a motion a second is there a discussion of the motion if not all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays Council have noticed we've been at it over two hours does any you want to take a five minute break or you want to push through keep going keep going everybody wants to keep going okay next item is a resolution if if that changes let me know stop me resolution approving final adjustments to the fiscal year 2024 budget our finance director Jim Ingram is here to explain good evening honorable mayor and city council again at the conclusion of fiscal year 2024 there were several expenditures and revenues not included in the city of Temple Terrace's adopted or midyear amended budget Section 1 66. 2418 Florida Statutes allows the governing body of each municipality to amend a budget within 60 days following the end of the fiscal year to account for such expenditures with matching unbudgeted revenues unbudgeted revenues may include a portion or all revenues exceeding the budgeted amount for fiscal year 2024 the exhibits that were attached 2 through five um contain the detail I can go over each one it's a pretty lengthy or I can just uh highlight a few to however you think is appropriate why don't you highlight them for the public please okay sure um I'm sorry all of them are just how many years old there's uh one and a half pages okay just highlight a few okay thank you uh we had property Auto liability and workers compensation expenditures and matching Insurance proceed revenues of $139,450 um these are claims the the revenues are the claims that we get from the insurance company to cover um our expenditures for these uh several property Auto and liability workers comp we have a an additional contribution to the building fund and with matching interest revenue of $37,076 200,000 above what we budgeted for General eneral fund and across the board our interest revenues were ended up being above what we budgeted and in every fund there is a VAR Supply services and maintenance expenditures with matching FEMA covid reimbursement yes we've got we got a covid reimbursement due to some hard work of our staff and that's $124,700 that were able to cover uh related expenditures the biggest one was the police building land purchase expenditure and a matching revenue from the police building and Council Reserve projects um this was if you recall from the rollerson ranch property sale that we put away um money to use for this very purpose this past year we bought the land over on Harney Road uh the total with everything added in was 1,644 82 and there is still some money left in that Council Reserve uh we did spend all the the the police building Reserve was 1.5 million and we took some from the council Reserve as well the C Riverside Park project the we had engineering expenditures and we used matching Tiff reserves revenue of $323,000 67 and we still had about um 50, 40,000 left to add to our Tiff Reserve uh which is up around I believe 70 or 80,000 should be at the end of the fiscal year 24 we had wastewater treatment expenditures mostly this was primarily from the um the city of Tampa bill that we have to pay that went over budget but we had sewer sales revenue that exceeded budget so we're able to apply 4,232 to cover the overage in the city uh the white the wastewater treatment expenditures we also had water distribution expenditures that went over but we had also matching water sales revenues of 159,50 49 so both in the the sewer sales and the water sales are are budgeted revenues well exceeded um or the reality the actual well exceeded the revenue that was budgeted and we also had some some of the FEMA Co money there that went toward the water and sewer fund uh sanitation fund we uh we approved the council approved by resolution on September 17th to buy a new truck and so we're just doing the amendment make it official and using the money out of reserves which sanitation reserves did go up this year due to um actual revenues exceeding actual expenditures which is very good news those revenues also went up [Applause] and I'm glad to answer any questions you might have these are all posted on the the agenda the whole list if you have any specific questions on any of these I'll be free to I'll be glad to answer those questions thank you Mr ingore other members of the public who wish to comment on this seeing n council member questions we good if not is there motion move to approve the resolution for City count uh to approve adjustments to the fiscal year 2024 budget for appropriating and allocating funds second motion and second is there discussion of the motion seeing none all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays thank you Mr Ingram thank you resolution is adopted next is a resolution approving the addition of a full-time Utility Billing specialist one and Public Works director Jason War warfels is here to explain good evening Mr Warren felds May staff seeking the approval of the resolution adding a utility billing specialist to the public works department primarily assigned to the sanitation division um in when the budget was formed this year the this position was not included in the budget as it was um it was discussed um but the volume of work and the uh the amount of um accounts that sanitation has added it has come you know further up on our schedule to add this position so um as you know sanitation they added over 40 accounts we are running seven days a week uh currently the Amazon account we run close to 16 hours a day serving that account so uh the current admin assistant for Public Works the public service representative for for our building is uh their time is mostly consumed with doing billing for sanitation um I've worked with the finance department in this position um this position will be housed in public works in an interim basis until the renovation of the utility service center and then that position will be moved over into this building and and still service sanitation and it's funded through the sanitation Enterprise account so with that I will stand for any questions Mr Warren's other members of the public wish to comment being none council member questions no questions okay is there a motion move to approve the addition of a full-time Utility Billing specialist second motion is second discussion of the motion all those in favor signify with i i i oppos no n resolution passes thank you Mr Warren felds and thank you also for creating the situation that necess hates the hiring of a new billing clerk so Mr fund making money so now so thank you uh for creating that additional Revenue do you pay him for that comment next is a resolution our last resolution declaring Municipal elections results and city clerk Cheryl Mooney will explain try to make this quick so our municipal election was held in conjunction with uh the county and the state election and we had uh qualifying in a week in August with mayor Ross um turning in the necessary documents for mayor and he was running on oppos so he automatically became our new mayor and we also had two residents running for one slot on city council and they were Eric Kravitz and Karen mckowski and per Florida Statutes um the election was held on November 5th and he received the more votes so he won the election and this basically is declaring and accepting the county met the County canvasing Board met yesterday and and declared the results certifi the results so you're just doing a formality of approving their in thank you madam clerk other members of the public who wish to comment on this council members any questions for the city clerk about this very good thank you Madame clerk as there a motion to approve the certified election results move to accept the results as certified second motion second discussion we good all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays resolution is adopted carryover Council business I have one quick thing I'm sorry I know it's a long meeting but this is an important one so a while back um I asked you in this section of the meeting for authorization to look into discrepancy between the city rules concerning the city's managers ability to convert sick unused sick time over to vacation time the conflict is that the City Rules do not permit the city manager to do that um it's the only employee that's not permitted to do that however his contract says that he is permitted to do that in fact the previous City manager's contract said that he was able to do that too so that's not new language that was changed for Mr be it was in there before um the council approved me to work with staff to try to run this to ground and figure out why that was put into the city rules to begin with um I we we did some I didn't scour laser fish for hours but um we don't know why it was put in there um his contract does prevail over internal rules anyway so what needs to happen is this the rule needs to be revised to take that language out so that it mirrors what the other employees have and what his contract already permits but it would look very peculiar for the city manager and the HR Director who reports to him to revise that rule to his benefit it it could look self- serving so what I'm asking for the council to do is to somebody make a motion to direct the city manager or the HR Director to revise that rule to remove that language so that it's done publicly and that doesn't appear like there's any kind of back room shuffling going on I make a motion we move to approve the uh are there any questions about did I explain it well enough you guys know what I'm talking about okay all right okay uh um make the motion to uh uh instruct the HR Director to uh uh bring back to council or to to make the changes that are necessary to bring the rules into compliance with the contracts the contract has written is that is that sufficient Pam yes well okay but yes um it would probably be it would probably be better if if you directed the legal department to revise the rule so that um there is not a conflict fa with the city manager's contract fair enough okay modify my res modify the resolution modify the motion for the resolution include to be performed or the change be performed by the legal department for uh modifying the rules to uh reflect the actual contract we need a r yeah we need a renewed second okay I renew the second okay discussion so just to clarify there's only one sentence that needs to be taken out it'll take you about 15 SEC take you longer to open the document okay if there's no further discussion all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays thank you any other C carryover Council business I have one quick one yes I was remiss um on behalf of terce committee uh Middle School we had to trot through the terce last uh on the weekend of the 9th and I did not uh publicly thank the uh Leisure Services Department as a sponsored B all the work that they put in and staff that was required to pull that off it was very successful we had 476 Runners which was a which was U the largest Jet and they did everything they could to accommodate uh our needs in light of the fact of the arts arts and craft festival is going on at the same time so on behalf of the school thank you very much to could please tell Cory I was hoping she'd stay but anyway thank you very much other Council business carry over Council business new business or board reports yes James okay so um I too uh want to thank the leisure services staff and the public work staff everybody that got uh Woodmont Park and Woodmont Avenue and the golf course ready for the Arts Festival it was uh one of our better festivals if people were there you know it was a lot of good attendance um it it went very very well we had a lot of the public there the artists uh most of them sold pretty good some didn't but that's the nature of the beast but thank you very much staff everybody in the city involved with getting that going uh as previously mentioned uh the library the friends of the library has their book sale this coming Thursday Friday and Saturday I wanted to point that out that money goes back to the friends that donate it back to the library to help buy materials for the library so it B directly benefits the library and to bring up something on the Florida College uh presentation I didn't bring it up during the presentation because we don't do that but I don't know if it's appropriate to try to find out uh they mentioned that uh you know they had an extensive study um that um resulted in the building to be demolished but was there ever could we find out if there was a cost if they were to renovate it to current standards what that cost would be and what the cost of a new building is to see the difference just curious and I think it was something for them to be good if they're if they're going to do any kind of other community presentation so we can ask I don't we need you know I don't like to give assignments out unless somebody everybody agrees with it everybody okay with us asking sure I mean I we can ask it's they don't have to answer no they don't ask I just thought it'd be good for the public to know if it's you know triple the call or something you okay okay other new business board reports a couple real I'll be quick I promise couple quick things so um city manager and I have another meeting with USF leadership concerning the um construction plans for the stadium as you know the groundbreaking was last week um we do have a meeting that's coming up in the next couple of weeks I don't remember the date but we are going to be meeting again with them to discuss traffic parking um noise speaker orientation those kinds of things we'll keep you posted um the at the first meeting and and I'll repeat this when council member elect Kravitz is here I thought he might be here tonight but at the first meeting in January we will elect the vice chair for the year and at the second meeting in January did I say I meant January you say janary I did say J okay second meeting in January we'll do the committee and board assignments two things I'd like to mention to you and I'll repeat it when um Mr Kravitz is here is one you know we rotate the the vice mayor uh duties around everybody up here is eligible except uh Mr Kravitz wouldn't be and we usually pass that around which is fine but I want you to take this seriously because the the previous two Mayors have not finished their terms and the vice mayor's had to become the acting mayor now I don't plan to go anywhere I plan to be here to The Bitter End and you're stuck with me but you know that's my plan you know I might get hit by a bus on the way home and next thing you know the vice mayor becomes the mayor and you could be acting mayor for a long time until there's a special election so please keep that in mind when nominating or accepting a nomination I mean do you really are you really prepared to do this cuz I mean I'm on like 12 different boards and so I mean this is a lot bigger lift than it used to be years ago and so anyway I just mentioned that the other thing is the committee and board assignments there probably will be need to be some changes this year because of a new council member as opposed to us just you know doing it every year I I have some I mean the mayor gets to make these assignments but as much as possible I like to make them according to your wishes so um if all of you and Cheryl if you could share this with council member elect Kravitz if all of you would please let the city clerk know what your preferences would be um I will try to the best of my ability to accommodate them now keeping in mind that you know we there is a progression and some of them are more require a little more more I don't know there some of them are thornier than others and so you know be careful not to sign up for heart unless you're willing to you know get your hair all pulled out so um but I would like to know if you share that with the city clerk the last thing I have is the um National League of cities conference was in Tampa last week I did go um good conference 4,000 people there 49 states Washington DC and Puerto Rico were there I I don't know who the missing state was I'm guessing maybe Hawaii but I don't know um lots and lots of people there I went to a lot of workshops there's good things and bad things about living here in this region and in fact Jane caster and I were talking about this during the conference the good thing is that you get confirmation that your region is really kind of on the Leading Edge we're pretty squared away here Hillsburg County Tampa St Pete we're we are really when you go to these workshops and they're talking about what other cities are doing in other regions and we're sitting there Workshop after Workshop going we've been doing that for 5 years I mean it it really the bad part of that is is that you know there's people from other cities going like this is Cutting Edge and Jane and I are sitting going okay you know we're so um but I did pick up some good things concerning and Carlos and I are going to meet about this tomorrow to kind of taking all this stuff back to him to to discuss so there may be some presentations coming to you in the future about some of the things that I learned that I think might be useful here as long as staff you know thinks that they're good ideas so it was worthwhile it was beneficial um luckily it was close so we didn't have to pay that much but it was it was a good so and that's it new business or board reports okay all on you Carlos City manager's report thank you Mr Mayor members of council um in your backup this evening there actually three sets of reports um this is the quarterly report for the last quarter of fiscal year 24 for the council's fiscal year priorities we also have a report on the city's departmental budget goals as well as the um quarterly report on arpa and capital projects happy to answer any questions counc member stuffff thank you okay I just want to make sure right it's attached to the agenda so any of the public that wants to see the details can access the agenda online good and then I have a few more items I wanted to uh touch upon at the last council meeting several residents from bolara Drive spoke to the council uh and asked us to look into the matter of flooding in their neighborhood uh we have done an investigation over the last two weeks uh thanks to the work of um uh both utility and Public Works primarily and uh we've completed that investigation we have reached out to the residents uh and scheduled a meeting with the residents for um make TR I get the date right here December 18th Wednesday December 18th at 6:00 pm at The Lightfoot Center um obviously the council is welcome to attend um and um we will be presenting the facts that we found and talking about you know the future with the residents car are we going to publicly not noce that meeting so that if Council does attend the council members are free to it seem odd to can because I I don't want a situation where the city manager and I are there and then nobody else's because it's not publicly noticed okay I'm looking over at the clerk and looks like I'm getting the okay I wouldn't want to be a council member there under those circumstances they should be able to interject too so okay uh next I'd if the council will will indulge me I'd like to ask Mr tinch our utilities director to come up and give the council and the public an update on the fer Avenue sanitary sewer uh project good evening Council I just quick update I know we're all aware that we're working on an emergency repair of a sewer main that failed under fer Avenue we're currently bypass pumping that system we have initiated coordination with the utilities along that Corridor uh we' completed the draft design for permitting and construction we are we have initiated permits through fdot and the EPC EPC because it's a sewer system they have to be involved in that aspect of course F do it's right away the contractor the site contractor has secured bin as the Jack of contractor to complete the work effort uh anticipated costs at this time are estimated approximately $700,000 for construction uh there will also be between $3 and $400,000 associated with the bypass pumping effort as well as the initial cleaning inspection that was conducted right at the very beginning of the project so we're looking at approximately $1.1 million uh to complete this effort uh construction anticipated to begin the 1st of December and will take two to three weeks to complete so all things work well hopefully by the first of next sure we'll have that system up and fully running and functional again funding for this effort we'll be looking to tap into the reserve that we have in the water and sewer Improvement fund that is the fund that receives money through um impact fees so it's it's fairly healthy at this time so be working with Finance to see what amount of that we can potentially use to pay for this effort if that runs over that fund amount we'll be looking into potentially rearranging some of our CIP projects within Wastewater and pushing those out if they need be to ensure we have proper funding for this effort I do want to note that this will have no impact on the current rates for the waterm sewer fund thank you tin council members any questions about that thank you thank you the last thing I have is if I could ask Mr warfels to come up to give us an update not only just on the not not only on debris the debris collection effort but also on some of the other storm water issues going on in the community right now good evening sir Mr Mayor city council um the first thing I'm going to update is soaring Avenue uh we had a depression in the roadway form on soaring Avenue um this depression seemed to grow rapidly after after notification um the crews have been working on that area making the repairs the west side of saring Avenue the southbound lane um they exposed that found a cavity under the roadway um this cavity was formed um the pipe when it was put in in 1985 in the top of the pipe there were 2-in openings and those openings were either for lifting or the inspection after it was installed and then they were grouted shut so during this past storm the grout pushed out of the holes and and this is what the belief is from the inspections um this is what created the cavity under the roadway so um Cruise opened the roadway they put flowable fill in there and they closed up the westbound lane or the West Side Lane um they will return tomorrow to complete the east side and then they'll repave um and and we'll be fixed out there so that's update on saring Avenue um debris so I'm happy to announce that we are in the home stretch of debris removal um there are still piles of debris in the city we are aware of those those uh Public Works takes a fair amount of phone calls every day um letting us know the piles that appear some of those are piles that appear that folks just drop stuff off in yards um illegal dumping could be what it's claimed but we don't know the difference so um this week on Friday at noon the self drop off vegetative uh spot at harne Road will close um we're closing at noon so that the crews can clean that area up before we go into the weekend and make sure it's secure um the second round of vegetative and the CND D will be completed on Friday afternoon Citywide so we expect the remainder of this week they'll do the final touch-ups um we are aware that there's probably some pile somewhere that we missed overlooked didn't see what have it so we will have a few days the following week to capture those um the ddms sites that we've operated the Florida College location on Temple Terrace highway is completed their grinding their the reduction of the material they have about a day and a half left of haul out and we are hauling this mulch thankfully everything worked out um this mulch is being hauled to a mulch vendor in Theona sassa and it will be repurposed um The hary Road Site is going to take a little bit long so Temple Terrace Highway received just under 255,000 cubic yards of debris so quick hul out there Harney Road is sitting with it will sit when we're done about 85,000 cubic yards of debris so the hall out there is going to take a little longer I anticipate we get close to the January um first date before we're completed hauling out on Harney Road um the class three household debris um we sanitation we worked with our debris haulers um we did not have to open the site on 113th Street um we worked at sanitation provided off bins we went bin to bin with this it saved soil testing it saved D requirements it saved the city time and money so we work that out sanitation has trucks hauling this for the contractors self- hauling so another savings which is good um that's it thank you Mr Warfield council member questions I I one comment go I have just do a quick question yes we have some areas where trees are precipitously hanging over fences and walls and stuff are we going to go back and tell the tell the homeowners they need to fix these or we just going to go in and do do it a case in point Gillette across from Greco there's a tree hanging over and it's actually touching the ground and kids are walking underneath of it I don't know how secure it is because it's it's behind the wall behind the burned out house so it's I I don't know how can we address that going forward I don't want to answer now need answer now but just you know we need to maybe come up with some way to look into that going forward so we do have thank you we do have areas like that where trees are hanging in public rways that we will address okay um again this is part of hary road debris will continue on for a little bit as we finish mopping up some City there are some storm water ponds uh s Avenue has one there's one on 62nd Street there's a tree l in there so we will continue to move some of our debris there um but yes we will get to those areas okay council member oh yes city manager Mr waren felds could you also talk to the the golf course and the trees that are down the golf course CU that's something that we've put off but we will start addressing that so the golf course obviously had a fair amount of trees that fell on the golf course um those have remained and today we finalized the plan working with the City Arborist the golf course grounds uh superintendent and uh the debris haulers we will start removing those trees on Saturday um the crews are out they're going to be cutting them up the remainder of this week making sure they're at curbside the haulers will pick those up Saturday Sunday and then we should have the golf course completed some of the the damaged trees will need to be completely removed um and I've checked with the arborist and some of those trees were on the list that needed to be removed so we're just going to go ahead and take them down since they're already damaged but we will work through the golf course making sure that's it's curbside get it removed this weekend and then the golf course should be good thank you so council member Fernandez you had something yes um so I wanted a lot of these questions come up um if you're on Facebook Temple Terrace bulletin board Etc and people are they're asking questions about all of these things that you um give us the information about at the meeting so I want to know uh one to the people who might listen or watch this this meeting please follow the city official Pages either Facebook or Instagram or I'm not even sure all of the social media that's there but I mean I encourage you all to follow this so that you have a reliable source of information but also in um our city water bill or something anything that we mail out to people can we put a note on the bill that that lists our social media so that people know the various places they can follow or subscribe Etc we should be able to do to do that we'll we'll we'll look at that and we'll report back the only thing is we've learned that the water bill is not a really great way to disseminate information because it doesn't correspond to our city limits well right like up my neighborhood doesn't get Temple Terrace water we don't get get the bill and then people in the assassa get their bill that they don't live in so it doesn't there's a you know 35,000 water accounts and then there's SE sections of the city that aren't on City water so it doesn't really I mean you get a lot of people but you're not getting but we're not getting everybody but I I guess I I'm just as we send things out to people if can include that information so like even if somebody is not a city resident but they are a water utility customer or sanitation customer they might this would be interesting information to have and a lot of what's been posted but anyway it just there's a lot of you know there are a lot of questions that get answered through what we put out and at the meetings that people ask still ask about because they're not either watching the meeting or they're not on any of the social media accounts to see the answers so that's all however and I will say to that I mean for the debris piece um I myself have noticed some of the comments on on the Facebook world it's always a good safe measure just to call Public Works yeah the folks that answer the phone over there are well versed in what's going on so they they have the answers and if they don't they can get them quickly so not to not to contradict what the Public Works director has said but actually one of the things we're trying to do is is go away from all the phone calls to Public Works where actually we have a system called see click fix joa week on live would would see working the C click fix is is an application that's used by communities around the country it's a very easy way for folks most people have a have a phone with them they can just if there's an issue if they see debris or if they see anything they can go on just drop down menus it's an easy app to use you can geolocate immediately would take a picture and send it in and you can get a response you're sure to get a response and followup versus a you know having to wait on on a phone call Etc so uh in the in the interim I get it in the interim yes the phone call still work but we would like to uh streamline that process if we could good job Jason thank you Mr waren Phils Mr be you still have the floor no sir I have nothing else thank you I have one thing um would you please maybe you or maybe Mr Warren Fels or something would you maybe follow up with Joel Brown over at too I've mentioned to him quite a few times I need I promised a resident an answer to her concerns about the Deer Park circuit and every time I talk to him about it he goes yeah yeah yeah I'm going to get you the answer but he has it's a bundle of questions and some of them I guess were posed by Mr warfel so he's trying to get so anyhow I'm not getting the answer but I owe a citizen a response and I I don't want the citizen to think this is gone by the wayside because I'm not getting back to them so Mr War PHS yes Mr Brown we've been in constant contact the last two weeks okay we have a meeting scheduled this Friday with a resident from Deer Park in the upstairs Council in the conference room the resident's going to be in the meeting yes sir okay yep so yeah we've been in contact and and the Deer Park issue Mr Brown's bringing some folks from his team that will address those concerns about service over there well that's even better yet so would with the city manager's permission would somebody just close the loop with me after that so that that citizen knows that I honored my promise if I tell you I'm going to get back with you I do I don't want them to think that I just didn't if you don't mind thank you good that's good that's even better than I think nothing else City attorney yes I've got uh three lean reductions all on the same piece of property this was at uh 11901 North 53rd Street um there is one case from 2021 and two cases from 2022 the first one um the violation was peeling pain p and staining on a wall I believe um that went on for over for at least a year and the lean Rose to $23,500 plus the city's costs of $250 for a total of 750 the second case involved um an inoperable an inoperative motor vehicle um because it had no tag and a flat t uh that went on for a year and a half and the lean Rose to $922 the settlement amount was $750 plus the city cost of $250 for a total of $1,000 the last one was a uh fence and disrepair and a fallen dead tree that uh existed for a year and a half the lean Rose to $133,400 that that was settled for $1,000 plus the city costs for a total of $1,250 um we have received payment of $3,000 so those three have now been settled good thank you any questions council members anything else no directors anything you just want to go home I don't blame you you guys have been at work a long time listen thank you for your patience tonight it's been a long meeting thank you for uh your work the work of your teams uh I hope you know how proud We Are of all of you and and hope that that also gets filtered down to your team so thank you and we will be adjourned [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music]