##VIDEO ID:UXPu4rzdnB0## [Music] requirements have been satisfied the the meeting dates for the year are confirmed that the annual meeting are posted on the public Bolton board in the lobby of the municipal center and published in the record within the first 10 days of the new year let's have the salute to the flag please Al flag of the United States of America to the rep stands God indivisible Omar could I have a roll call please council member Corsair here counc member men here counc member Michaels pres council member Dr o Conor here counc M Park CC m r mayor Zena here okay thanks for coming everyone tonight um the reason we asked to have this meeting is because we've got too much rain falling in very short periods of time which is leading to all kinds of flooding issues throughout town in many neighborhoods and the uh the overpeck and the tentac kill of the main arteries that take the water you know about that right Shephard all right yeah that take the water out of town and we've asked our burough engineer Andy hippol to come here tonight to give us a presentation of the steps we're going to take to St to start alleviating this situation um I'm switch we're switching the public comments to the second part so we're going to do the presentation first and then everyone will have an opportunity to ask questions or make comments of myself the counselor the engineer as we're underway so Andy want to come up to the microphone this again this is Andy hippol our B engineer who's really heading up the details of the engineering project just for ease maybe if you guys slid across so then I don't want I I just feel B have my back instead of moving all those folks that way mayor thanks just for a few Baseline items just for myself my name is Andy hiplet I'm the B engineer I do have cards with me which are over there if you want a card we're done just come see me I'll give you a card one of the things when we get involved in storm water and potentially a town trying to solve major stormw problems is there's a lot of public dialogue there has to be because you live in these areas and you have the best information because you're there at night when we can't see it you're there on weekends and holidays when we can't see it so the public dialogue is important when we're when we're done it's okay mayor if it's okay with you people reach out to me with questions of course we like to accumulate them they'll go probably go through the bu administrator just so we can make sure we have good contact with them but we want we want the public comment so the reason the mayor started this night was to engage the public comment because there are things happening right now that we're going to talk about so we'll start with a couple of other Baseline stuff in the last 20 years in New Jersey at least the intensity of storms is significantly greater it's almost twice the rate the intensity so that's how how fast the rain falls the volume is actually less than the previous 20 years but the intensity is what causes immediate instantaneous flooding and the systems that were designed way before I was born way before anybody here was born weren't designed for the intensity of storms that you currently see a lot of the streams and waterways and ditches weren't designed for those intensities 50 years ago when the intensity was less but the duration was long was designed for long duration low intensity storms and now we the Earth it flipped on us now in my career we're now having high intensity storms that are lower duration but the intensity is so high the systems can't take them away so how's that lead us to here people in this room are getting flooded the Street's getting flooded it's getting in your house it's overflowing the TAC Hill and the overp creek it's overflowing all the ditches that lead to it and the storm sewerside around it the map that's over there North is up on that map tli is in the center of it the overc creek and the tentac hill literally split this town in half there's drainage to the West there's drainage to the east there's a flat part in the center and everything from both Hills comes down the hill floods the center and then heads to Anglewood and floods angle as we saw at Hurricane Ida it came whipping down the overc destroyed the Bliss Avenue Bridge destroyed two more bridges south of us destroyed one more Bridge North of us that the flow was designed to not handle that intensity at that time and it wiped out three Bridges or four bridges on the way so what's happened with the overpeck and the tentac hill over time those streams have filled in if you go on those streams and look at them you live along them there's rocks as big as this table there's trees that have grown into it the banks have deed or what I call settling have settled and slid into the stream vegetation has gone there there's different types of debris that have fallen in there there's all kinds of stuff and the streams have filled in with sediment so it's not here but I had a mayor in Lower Town complain to me about his streaming he said Andy when I was a young boy back in like the early 60s my dad and I used to walk under this bridge on this stream now we crawl under our bellies same problem exists here these streams have filled in when we redid the Bliss avenue bridge when you look up and downstream you can see the whole thing is closed in and gone up and that volume is taken away from dealing with high-intensity storm couple of things that the mayor and Council are doing now one is in the mayor you could talk about there was a grant given by the federal government through something that the mayor and Council were involved in to be $1.6 million towards funding so why is that done on our agenda we talked about mapping and time frames for mapping you can't solve drainage problems unless you know what your drain system consists of tenly like many string towns has some mapping here systems most of the mapping is outdated and old because things have changed so tly is invested and is paying for a full mapping of your system what's that have pipe size pipe depths inverts great elevations and where it discharges to a stream and then elevations down the stream why is that important over the next 90 days we're going to provide and do this mapping so we're going to be in all your backyards you're going to see people dressed in yellow vests with hard hats on with you know devices that are a little bigger than my phone and they're going to be taking elevations and all kinds of stuff once that's done that allows us as your engineering firm working with the mayor and counsel to actually model the stream modeling means to come up with we can be by Smith School we can be by sunyside Park and we're gonna go we have flooding here why what duration storm can it handle what intensity can it handle and if we made changes and moved more water through here what would happen Downstream but we can't make that evaluation till we map it so the mapping was authorized last meeting correct we start this mapping within the next 30 days we complete it by December January once that's done we're now going to start looking at the hot areas for dealing with high-intensity storms and what are solutions to solve that problem to relieve flooding don't know what those Solutions are yet it could be bigger pipes fixing the stream and making the stream wider it could be an improvement of both those things it could be looking at houses that are adjacent to these and saying there's nothing we can do in this location maybe we need to look for State funding to actually buy the home out or or or or create a park that causes area for water to overflow and and then take up you know less flooding part of the grant that we received is to actually go in and clear the overp and the tentac hill so if you look at the Orek and the TAC Hill which we can put some pictures up if you want we have some pictures you know it looks like it's they're all it's all clogged up it's it's it's overrun with everything the volume of water that can travel through the overpeck into Tac Hill is inhibited by multiple things not just rocks collapsing Banks so the idea of the Grant and the mapping is to clean that so one of the things we're going to do first is working with the federal government to clean these streams at the same time that's happening the mayor and council is going to have us look at the storm system and design changes to it to move water through to relieve flooding from private property it may still be in the roads but we want to get it off private property Andy wants to just mention how the storm sewer system works and where it's located in the streets so people understand that's a good point going back to the early 1900s all municipalities of New Jersey as they built roads put in storm storm sewer systems so what is that it's not your sanitary sewer your sanitary sewer is what your toilets and sinks go to it's the storm sewer It's the Great in the street it could be a manhole a great and they're they're all throughout town they drain into a pipe below the ground those pipes eventually drained in this case in our town to eventually to the overp or the tentac hill and then that runs South into Anglewood eventually it does end up in the New York Bay but that's a long way away but that's eventually where ends up the T yeah I'm sorry the actually go the tental goes north I apologize over flows South overow South that is correct yes um go ahead yeah so that system is comprised of pipes inlets catch bations manholes and the actual ditches and streams that they drain to and eventually sometimes they go in and back out again so that's what happens where that's where all your Stormare goes from your private property from public property from Road streets and bridges and all the above the state of New Jersey which governs storm water so most people don't understand is that the state of New Jersey takes governance over storm order lak streams everything so they have requirements on municipalities for what we can or can't do in 2004 the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection or as we call the njd enacted a storm water ordinance or regulations upon this Maring Council all Maring Council New Jersey and said you have to start maintaining your storm water better so that means we have to clean our systems more regularly that means we have to make sure that the grates aren't collecting debris and garbage and there's things that we have to do but it does have permanent requirements on the backside so if we want to go and clean a stream we need to get a d permit which takes time if we want to go dnag and dilt we don't need a d permit as the this project has but we still have notification responsibilities to the state we always have we always have responsibility Downstream so the state the state of New Jersey has told towns if you make an improvement to your system you cannot flood somebody Downstream by doing that correct when whenever this this project being enacted by this mayor and Council we actually get the physical work we have to make sure we if we do work on one road we can't flood the next Road Downstream if we do work on two roads we can't flood somebody three roads down street so that's part of the evaluation process the reason for the bigger mapping is so you're not designing or making changes inside a vacuum this is this is a big we're a big system that we drain north south we drain to multiple towns we drain through multiple towns so we can't just automatically start sending tons of water somewhere and never went before because now somebody's house that never got flooded may now get flooded so that's part of this evaluation and it's regulated by state from a schedule perspective again the mapping on the storm system the piping that the stuff that's concrete that'll take place over the next 90 days the stream portion that we're going to map we need to map that when the leaves are off the trees so we're going to do that mapping probably like late December or just after Christmas into January February when there's no leaves we have to stand in the stream with a with a GPS unit and the leaves above us prevent us from getting good elevation on that so that'll take place and so we'll be done with all the mapping including streams by February and then the evaluation portion will start the the HUD Grant is 1.6 million the HUD Grant requires us to go through HUD I think the USDA will ultimately administer it I'm not sure about that yeah so HUD will administer it that that work with those federal agencies takes time so if you work with a federal agency nothing goes fast so say no it includes they want you to spend their money the federal money on actual work so the town has to fund we'll call it the engineering portion of it and the evaluation portion survey and Engineering portion and it you know good better and different the federal government wants to see the money go to work not not some evaluation or some study if you if you're passionate enough as a town about the study pay for it and then they're paying for the work for you so it makes it makes sense that's the way all federal projects work and Andy just because the question's been asked and things beyond that if we start upgrading the storm system around town in different neighborhoods that's not part of the grant money that would be either new grants or funded by the town itself once we determine what needs the most attention we're all this is all about tenly money only gets spent in tenly correct cor you can't spend money for another town correct right and Andy sewer sewer M yeah so we did the the the actual system that we have most of the structures and location of pipes has been done already it was done by GS Services geographic information systems but that didn't include inverts and elevations without inverts and elevations we can't model it so as a if a pipe is at 1% slope it's 12 Ines it can carry X CFS of water water if it's at 5% it carries more so the steeper a pipe is the size doesn't change the more it carries or the flatter is the less it carries that's why water backs up so that's the part we're hitting the second part which the elevations and then we're mapping the streams too where drain Andy I thought maybe you want to tell everyone that what they could expect with the clearing dis snagging of how much more water you would expect the streams to CT let's do that last okay we we'll do we'll talk about the actual project last that's a good question when all this so the pro what we're talking about right now does not include desilting which does not include significant Bank restoration going back to this D thing I talked about the state of New Jersey the state of New Jersey is not very friendly giving permits on encroaching and bringing the banks back in they're friendly on giving permits to stabilize it where it's eroded too but they frown upon moving the banks back to where they were not an to just over throughout New Jersey home we live next to stream so back in e e e e e e e e for e would you please turn the audio on e e sometimes they'll go well that problem is causing a blockage that we this federal government deems is one we want to fix and they say you can fix it so it'll be on a caseby Case basis if you have one of those please let us know let myself you I have cards let me know let David know we will come out and look at those on a Case Case basis keeping in mind it's not the town's decision the decision maker will be HUD in their personnel to come out and go yes you can fix this spot the fix of a of a settling or slumping bank is not armoring so what's armoring concrete wall big rip racy on jetes it is not that at all it's vegetative so the the fixing of a slumping bank is vegetative the reason it's vegetative Hurricane Sandy kind of pro this fact over and over again in hurricane Sandy it came Washington to state New Jersey New York and down by D everywhere it was everywhere that water action and velocity was dissipated and survived by things that were vegetatively supported all hard armoring was destroyed by Hurricane Sandy so water will destroy hard Armory whether it's concrete walls or rip wrap when you vegetate it and vegetate it right that depth and density of that vegetation stops all erosion so that's that would be the method to solve interes you have any other any other questions no no thank you because I just remembered you saying something about 20 like when you were ballparking you said it would hold 20% more but in a way it's that same idea of it's just allowing everything to flow right some you you may get some places may be a lot more volume will go through and some places less based on clearing and that is based on the slow PL the stream gotta so if you get up in an area above Churchill where comes down real Steep and we clear it more is going to clear faster and allow it to get in their pipes and clear faster when you get down below to the tentac hill like as you get near Crest kill it is so flat right there that I mean we can clear it and make it move better but it's still going to back up I mean that's going to a different town we have no control they back up they're Clogg the whole way so that's you know the benefit there will be a lot less okay thank you one back there nothing we can do about that that's a that that town has to take care of their problems if we take all debris out you'll get more volume by just less things in the Stream it'll only be more volume if it can't drain it's gonna have some backup still you're you're correct but there's a lot of stuff lot of debris there's a lot of debris in the stream near the high school a lot shopping cart the shopping cart for 1950s yeah right right we had we had one instance by the high school going under I think um colum Columbus where it was backed up we had trees under dir we went and took the stumps out and then that allowed flow it did really Flooding at some level any put questions we're going to need to bring people up to the microphone so that the people on Zoom can hear it so are you done with your portion or yeah I just just just a do the summary let's start with the question just for summary solving storm water problems requires actually coming up with a a system and a way to do it you can't just react to it right it has to have proper planning proper evaluation and then then once you have that you apply projects to it as you can imagine that's not we can walk out today and there's not going to be any solution tomorrow it's just too fast so again if we go through this little schedule let's say 120 days of mapping and then the bulk of next year is going to be used for planning properly evaluating properly coming up with a solution having the FED World Government who's giving us funding approve what we're doing and then leader later next year and into 2026 actually implementing that so I don't want you to leave here tell you go Andy stood up there and said all my problems will be solved by June of next year that is not the case does Andy think there'll be an improvement in the areas of tenly that we're talking about by 2026 I do I really do you have the funding the federal government committed funding to you because your mayor and counsel went out and got it so they did a great job now we have to do the proper planning and once they proper planning mapping and planning then we can Implement Solutions so I just want to make sure you understand that I don't have anything else other than we're St starting soon you're going to see my folks in your backyard within the next 30 days if somebody's in your backyard they should have Colliers engineering identification they will they have vests on and hard hats and I have cards which I'll give you my cards okay so so anybody who wants to ask questions you'll need to come up to the microphone and just give us your name not your address thank you Andy for that okay and all these questions are going to likely be directed to you right so you don't use that microphone there use that mic use that microphone there just your name Shephard uh Shephard grinker um thank you mayor and councel for getting us uh this money um and thank you for your presentation this evening um I I I have a few questions uh the first question is very basic where where is the water going to where's its final destination in the overpack creek for example that eventually ends up to New York Bay so it goes to Ang from us it goes to Angel okay and it goes into newk and and what about the TAC Hill that goes north to creskill Crill we drank it okay I mean or I'm sorry or okay so again I live on the overpack um but something to consider um that the um via is very interested in water flow they have already have problems in orell Reservoir with silt overflow y um it's coming down from Alpine cres Hill it's coming straight down into the dwars hill um and the Anderson Creek um we're probably feeding it too it might be of interest to get them involved as well since we're feed since the the water is feeding the orell reservoir uh secondarily um for the cleanup potential cleanup what what type of equipment would be used for this type of cleanup is it by hand back it's a little a little of everything so it's going to be man power IND the stream with chainsaws and by hand there'll be machines on the banks pulling stuff out okay so you're allowed to work from the bank and in but not technically in the Stream unless there's a case where they have to go in but that has to be very limited so they're not running machines up the stream they're working for the banks so at some point the burough attorney is going to be reaching out to folks probably middle of next year and saying you own this property we own very little property on these streams we're going to need your permission to come on your property and do this work so I'll be a big component of this project is getting your permission and getting your neighbor's permission okay and so potentially damage to Landscaping fences that type anything we it would be limitated damage but anything we did damage get fixed as part of the project so we would we would look for let's just say we have a section on the overp and there's 10 houses we would come out and meet with the 10 residents we'd look for the best access point with the least damage for the best access to we need do the machines would go in do their work personel come back out and then repair all fences sheds what would you repairing um I I think we've met before um I'm the The Perfect Storm gentleman that lives on 12 Maple Street I have water coming my driveway is uphill in every direction corre the only direction that it's not uphill is where the creek comes into my driveway um the I I believe the constraints that I'm dealing with are the covert size that pass where the water goes through um obviously this doesn't solve that problem um this just solves the water going to that Culvert and past the Culvert but again beyond that there's no real solution for my property because I mean this cleaning it is fine but is that Culvert is the constraint and it's the con seems to be the constraints all along the overpack creek that Culver size is going to stop the water correct and cost in the eval when we're when the mapping is done of the pipes and the streams I know we have met at your house we will be evaluating those cover sides along that channel okay thank you so there'll be an evaluation I don't know what solution will be yet but we're gonna evalue okay great thank you good evening everybody Howard siden um so part of this blame here comes on the town and not only this town every town in this Northern Valley that have allowed they haven't taken anything into consideration in their Master plans and that's what's caused this over the years of overbuilding overbuilding on the properties cutting down the trees and then just people paying the fun findes or relocating trees to other spots and not allowing the ground to absorb Everything's changed for life and all the towns are starting to realize that but this is becoming actually it's now really if you look at it it's a state of emergency in this area and the state needs to get involved and the federal government more involved and I don't know if it's a moratorium on building right now um but giving out uh in Board of adjustments giving variances needs to stop it just needs to stop giving away people why do we have Master plans if we don't follow them and that's the reason we have this flooding and tenly is going to uh make changes here but if the other towns don't down Downstream you're just going to have the same problem in another three four years again I was caught in the April 6 store in Leonia uh August 6 GM I'm sorry August 6 and the Damage that came down and angle would said it was everything that came down from angle ecliff Fort Le and tly it all came down to that that tenly it's coming down from up on the hill from Alpine from Crill so the the answer is we need to look at our planning here what we're doing and we need to get the federal government involved and say that there's a disaster you keep putting you keep giving us federal funds funds you know when you declare an emergency but if you actually sit down with all the towns get all the towns together and maybe declare an emergency and fix it all at the same time we can make we can make progress here and that's just it's just my idea on the situation thank you ho hi Leslie lipka um I have a have a few comments um one question actually first is who's responsible for cleaning the Culver to the RS in the street because I find that because they're con I don't see them ever clean so if you have if you have a drain if you have a drain that's clogged or something you See's clogged just report it through the the town website constant so we I'm G just so if I get interject for a second so when there's snowstorms historically when there's a snowstorm coming and we know the snowstorm is coming we start planning for salting the roads um we plan for how many workers are going to sleep at the DPW building overnight and sort of thing and traditionally or historically we never planned for rainstorms it was a different we cleaned the culverts you know it was it was a much more halfhazard process now when we know there's a storm coming okay of a certain magnitude we do the same sort of planning for storms that we just only did for snowstorms so the DPW team goes out cleans up inlets Outlets removes as much brush leaves everything and do they get everything no it's not possible um so we do the same sort of storm preparation now to clean up as much as possible and if you have blocked um storm sewers just send an email excuse me neighborhood send an email to the B administrator or myself and then we circulate it with the DPW director the engineer okay okay the only thing I'm gonna add though see anyone get out of a truck the only thing I'm gonna add is if you have storm drains in front of your house that have the grates you're supposed to make sure those are clear so that's what I'm asking so that's not the town's respons I don't have any that's not the town resp so what the mayor said is correct the DPW is going on and doing it but the property owner is supposed to make sure it's clear in front of their property so like when you're piling your leaves whatnot you should not be putting them there you should make sure that it's all brushed away somewhere else but but but the DPW is actually supposed to be cleaning them out you're supposed to be cleaning them out the DPW is going to check because we don't want flooding right so so it's a little bit of both answers here okay ppes themselves the DPW will flush periodically and the cers are going in but yeah you're supposed to make sure it's cleared in front of your house not every house has one in front of them but if you do you need to make sure those drain covers don't have I would just suggest though that maybe there' be announcement made across the town for that just to remind okay people to do that that we do responsibil they don't know people know that that's property right well just in general because I mean a lot of times you see a lot of junk sitting in the or may take our walk um other things maybe just really quick maybe even just um when the building department goes and sees that there's issues you know just knocking on the door let the home owners know or even yeah but even you know more benignly just to just writing that not Town know that if you have if you have um you know a drain in front of house that clear it you know it helped the neighborhood whatever and it's your responsibility okay um other other question I have is as far as you know there was a Times article about the um absorbable asphalts that they're installing in the city just wondering if the town is going to consider something like that where it it sounds like it does a great job as far as absorbing some of the excess runoff coming this a really good question so poris asked asphalt has to drain somewhere so what it does is in the city areas they take their porest asphalt they drain it to Chambers below and they send it rout through their City system here we have to balance using porous asphalt because it's going to inundate it's still going to inundate your area so we don't want to over inundate so if we have an area where we have high permability in the ground which is not everywhere in tenly it's probably about a third you could use porous asphalt it does require a lot of maintenance and you have to be very careful with with sanding because if you sand it in the winter time not salt it it clogs up any debris that runs into it will clog up it's a lot harder in a Suburban town to use porous asphalt than a city the city doesn't have the same silt and sediment that runs off property as that we do here so can it be used it can will you get a big benefit out of of it probably not because it's still flooding your area where you are we have to look at it okay but so maybe it's something to just look into it's definitely something we consider we consider in projects we just haven't found a benefit because of all the negatives that would come with in suburban area first city area we do a lot in cities and what about just sort of um promoting rain Gardens or what have you in the town great idea I mean just you know these are just sort of things that everyone can do to help um the last thing is just to put in a plug uh the northern New Jersey uh Community Foundation is sort of one of an it's a Consortium it it's sort of trying to promote um better storm water drainage Etc across this especially across the hackensac river kind of municipalities Etc and it's part of uh you know Bergen County presence Etc so it's something maybe to consider because if the towns want to work together which it sounds like they need to do as far as the storm water drainage is concerned you know it's an Avenue to do that that ten of I could say we're interested in working with our you know surrounding towns to to what the name of that Northern New Jersey Community Foundation thank you so anyway thank you Michael Shannon is the president of that and he's he's you know very uh anyway he's very vocal about trying to to get a by the way just to inject the comment you know the um our neighbors in Anglewood and Leonia they received grants also so they're working on the same sort of programs we are because it's as Andy said this is a regional problem not just a tly problem and uh the Mayors and the councils have had meetings and conference calls about all this stuff and uh we're trying to work together because we can't just think about it in terms of our political boundaries because the rain water doesn't recognize that um so and may correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say that like one of the reasons we also got this grant was because we we came in like a bit more regionally right correct correct the other Town go ahead yeah hello uh Neil ax and again great great Forum I'm really um happy to part I'm a newer resident to the town um so in in your presentation you you talked about mapping both streams and just a clarification so you're actually mapping the entire stream not just pors of the stream right correct and you also talked about um what what you can actually remove that's part of the grant correct correct and is that is that again along the whole stream correct right so unless the money runs out but yes well right um but again just a clarifying question though like um uh where where I live there are a few large pipes that fill into the street right I'm at the bottom of the hill um and and different you know large pipes that that come in obviously bring a lot of water but as you mentioned earlier like literally there's a pile of rocks so just physically removing that right is part of the gr correct is that what you're saying okay and then any um reinforcement of the sides that that could be a grant in the future right or some of it could be covered here if if HUD will let us do that but we get point it out to them they have to tell us yes or no if they say no there's future grants we can go after for just stabilization right if it's in scope then obviously for for this grant correct so while all this is happening you're saying through 24 25 maybe even 26 is there an opportunity to proactively start applying for Grants to fix fix the sit what what you're saying is not in scope so that potentially um there there's not a gap of time from finishing this this Grant and then actually because all those areas are going to be identified right where areas are really need to be reinforced does that does it happen that way or is it sequential so so let me ask that question so this grant that we were awarded it's a congressional directed spending okay came straight out of uh out of the House of Representatives okay and uh we applied for it 14 months ago 14 months ago or 23 right March of 23 we applied for it with uh recognizing we need money to fix this problem and this is the beginning of the fixes so we applied for the money we were awarded the money six or nine months later and now we're into this so so we are constantly searching for grants for money we get it for ball fields for parks for housing whatever so we're always looking um for grant money and um and the Congressional directed spending so the answer to your question is yes we're always thinking about that because we know that this amount of money isn't going to be enough you know four years from now to or three years from now to start increasing the size of our storm drains right so we're on the hunt for that we're we're searching for grant money for stream Restoration in the state of New Jersey every day right so we're look we're state county feds doesn't matter where it is we're searching every day they've just been very tight with their money right now on those issues and and does the impact the outcome of what we can achieve through through the grants does it make a difference on um the involvement from the community versus the administration and and what you do to you know formally apply on does it does it matter in terms of the only if the grant requires speed if you will decision if the grant requires it so some grants require it depends on the grants some grants require public input and if there's not enough public input in concern they you can't apply if a grant like that comes up we would have one of these meetings right away get as many people as we could in here and get a signning sheet and turn it in with the grant that that would have to come up right now it doesn't matter because there's no grants that require that and there's no grants right now other than what we've received yeah so so for instance uh we can apply for a county Grant or a state grant that can take several weeks to prepare we need engineering reports all kinds of people have to weigh in on it and you get 60 to $100,000 this particular grant for 1.6 million there were about 20 questions on a drop on on an application online that um I pressed the send button and uh it was that simple because that's this type of Grant so to Andy's point they're all different I he he has a really he made me think of something thank you this work that you're doing all this mapping all this stuff this can actually possibly serve other grants corre right yeah no so one of the things one of the things that yeah I didn't cover it was once this mapping is done and some of the evaluations we're going to do that may lead us towards a Grant there may be a grant that comes out we don't know about yet that's for a solution you need so we're constantly putting wanting to put projects together the reason we were able to actually apply for this grant one of the qual qualifications was you had to have the concept and understand the economics of a project on the shelf and the council and Andy had already Andy already had the information about what the distance to be cleaned what it would cost all that that was all prepared and then out of left field we got offered this Grant opportunity which we drunked on immediately yeah so that's has Anglewood gotten a grant I mean Anglewood got one I think they were a little upset with us because they got less money than us right they waited a little long is there a like a coordination of effort if you will of like what we're going to do and what they're going to do they're doing the same there's just the same thing for clearing and snagging yeah and there's also conversations going on amongst the towns the mayor is the council um about and with the D about the concept of a storm M utility and there's lots of pluses and minuses about that um recognizing that this is an entire Northern Valley Regional issue um so we'll see where that goes because it really needs a regional solution long term definitely just one one last question um it's a little off topic but it may or may not be related to to everything that you discussed so um you're mapping actually Ju Just the the waterways themselves right versus run off from the hill that goes into the street which which impacts certain homes M like with curving right other words to channel the water to get to get to the sewer drain so we have we have available to us in all of New Jersey Topo mapping for everything now is it 100% based on new improvements no but we know that angle cff comes to teny and we know what the slope is so when we do our modeling we take that into consideration now if there is something specific pafic that has changed the flow of water from say angle Cliffs to tly we'll look at the area and say maybe it's not going where we said it is because a curb is channelized in some other way and there are things that will get involved we start doing this devaluation portion so is that something in my particular case that went when visit there people visit to to highlight that to actually show them because and also I I'm gonna come see you just call also I want um do do you want us to proactively give permission heard from when you were talking about it they come up to the property is that can we sign up for that or does it have to be reactive like whenever they show up so with the initial walking of the properties as Andy indicated his um his colleagues are going to be wearing proper retire they'll have the hard hats whatnot we want to make sure you all aren't going to be concerned that there's somebody walking through the backyard um if possible I believe the plan and David correct me if I'm wrong is on the Walking portion some similar to when there's uh the townwide road paving not necessarily when others are Paving but when we're doing our Paving neighborhoods get alerted so that you know to park your car somewhere so there would be an alert per neighborhood so that you know someone's walking through if any work is going to be done we will certainly ask for uh permission because we don't want to be doing actively engaged in the process of working on your property without having received permission for that yeah and I think we're also going to probably the way we sent out letters for tonight's discussion to about 140 homes or so yes we'll be we'll do the same thing again to say hey Andy's going to start walking in the next two or three weeks don't be surprised when you see the orange B right in the street it's not an issue because we have it's our RightWay so we'll be all over the streets when we're in the streams we'll probably Dave and I will probably work together and get out just to all the residents are adjacent and we're going to be here here's what we're gonna be there but it's gonna be in January February for the most part so so that right so the people who got the letters was were were supposedly the people who literally the stream is on their property so if you're the nextd door neighbor and the stream is not on your property you got the voicemail not the letter because we just wanted to make sure the property owners were notified first yeah of course of course we have a sign sheet now they're all signed sign sheet sheet I think it was getting passed around not sign it just come on up and sign before you leave so back to your comment about the grants just so you know this past April and whatever five months ago we applied for another 2.1 million for the next phase of this project so fingers crossed fingers crossed all right next questions or okay thank you Tom how you doing come up and give us your name Tom jordano um we talk about there's a ten kill in the overp but there's another large stream Brook with no name that runs half the length of the Town it starts down in um Walnut Park goes underground it goes through the Maro Co-op I'm I'm On The Board of Trustees there it ends up going through my backyard it goes under all the stores ends up hitting the tentac kill up by the Chestnut Street now I was wondering a lot of that's underground are you going to camera in those pipes when you do your study so now TL's evaluation of these streams and pipes and stuff has started years ago we've camed the whole downtown already we we've already done that already oh you've done under all the stores and stuff yep okay I wasn't aware of that it's actually clear but it could need you know over time it will need some improvement but it's actually is clear okay um also to know on with flirting on Dean Drive about 30 years ago they dug up the whole street put holding types has that ever been cleaned out good question I don't know the answer I I don't know dri bled off they put huge preast holding yeah right around in this road I know nothing about on the southern yeah Southern portion of town 30 30 years ago I don't I don't think it was that one maybe it was 20 years ago Tom okay yes that was um no I remember it yeah but as long as you know you do the camera underg ground I think that's important y okay thank you you're welc you're welcome thank you Gina dinardo how are you um I I actually wanted to just make another comment to the gentleman that was speaking before Tom um about the grants that are that could possibly be available I have a home down in brookley Township as well I was hit during Hurricane Sandy with 10 feet of water destroyed my my home um the township down there Berkeley Township the engineers down there worked directly with FEMA and homeowners to get grants for individual homeowners to lift their house or make other changes to their home so that this wouldn't they wouldn't the flooding wouldn't continue um I that suggestion I had made several years ago as well here in tenly um that we could have been also applying for the big pot of federal money um that was available able and may continue to be available not quite sure took me eight years to get my grant for down there but it I got you know so I secured a grant so again back to whoever was speaking before um these grants come up often so you could either apply um individually or like I said for Berkeley Township they took the initiative to facilitate on behalf of Home homeowners specific home owners who are interested the process would FEMA okay so all is not lost um 1.6 million is not a lot um so you know I mean I think we need to just keep our eye on the prize and continue to be involved and keep watching what becomes available from FEMA that's well let me add a few things go ahead of course we were your engineer in brookley when that happened I know I know I know that very well yeah not me but our firm was so separating a couple different things one is there is always D money is available andj D to literally blue it's called Blue acres to purchase a home make the person whole take the home out of the flood plane and create we'll call flood storage by removing the home that money is always available the homeowner has to apply for it but the mayor and Council and you know we can work the other to help you do that that's one FEMA funding FEMA has five classes of funding of ABC d and e it depends on the storm so depending on storm and the Declaration of emergencies they open up different levels of funding so if there is no storm that has any declaration FEMA's funding is non-existent so if you have like a big rainstorm in August 6 if FEMA or the governor nobody's declared an emergency there's no funding available for it now if hurricane ID comes through which came through not long ago and it's a declared emergency homeowners can apply for FEMA funds based on their insurance policy or lack of insurance policy and the town can always help you that you would call either the administrator myself if that has happened and you hear a de declared emergency we can help you through that process but the homeowner still has to be the one that applies we can't apply for the town can't apply for public property we can help you though okay so that's that's not correct so for Berkeley and down Berkeley Township Remington and Vernick which is the township Engineers applied on our behalf so Al we put the people let me exp let me explain to you right so town decide to pay for that process but they still applied for the homeowner who was the applicant Hurricane Sandy was kind of a special thing it just destroyed towns as a whole so towns felt that they had to grab it and they hoped to get reimbursed for that time for those firms in most cases I don't think they reimbursed for any of it it's irrelevant but it still has to be a homeowner application somebody can help you through it but it's still homeown application in your case you don't have any storm to do it on and somebody have to be in a FEMA Zone declared emergency Zone okay and and just another just to add on this FEMA did also contact me on my home here in tenly and asked if I would be interested in a a buyout B remediation or that's good I don't know they gave me three options basically um it wasn't like a definite it's just would I be interested in any of these three options I don't know if any of anybody in the audience received a similar letter but I've been hit so many times in the last 10 years here um maybe it's because I have repetitive have you had claims on your on your okay you have had claims that's why yeah thank thank you thank you you can only yeah let's check Omar see if anyone in line wants to speak ask a question okay anyone online would like to speak uh please raise your hand no hands raised okay okay that's fine sir how you doing just give us your name please yeah Bruce uh Bruce Tang a couple of questions the uh one was the last time the uh just step closer to the microphone please okay when was the last time that the Brooker was cleaned I was the last time the brook wasan was cleaned and I know I mean i' I've only been here about 15 years never have I 10 20 20 30 years ago about 40 years ago 40 years ago that was okay it sound like I think probably need a more scheduled cleanings um 40 years that's seem to be a long time well second question is actually a followup questions um you were talking about survey and mappings right right and actually clean the cleaning work is going to be done after that is that correct yes so HUD is going to require some mapping to be done or they won't authorize the cleaning so we have to propose a project to them and tell them what we're doing so we have to actually map it they require photos mapping and site visits to determine what can be cleaned what C be clean okay uh this is actually follow-up questions for the mayor uh back in August I sent an email to you reported there is a large tree uh fell into the uh Teno Creek from which street do you live on which street do you live on I'm sorry which street do you live on uh Norman Norman yes okay yeah and the tree I believe is still there so luckily we didn't have a lot of ring last couple of months because in from the beginning of of this this year a tree I think the tree is already being there I contact is it on is it on your property or on some else it's on it's on the uh 375 tly road behind 375 it's technically their responsibility to clean it up correct this is what I got answer from the DPW saying oh you know can't do anything about it that's the thing to remember I mean when you were speaking about the cleanup scheduling and whatnot there is a responsibility for a homeowner who the stream crosses their property to keep it cleared but in lie of that because of the grant funding the Berto is able to now try to do it on a burrow stream wide basis but presumably homeowners should be clearing their property to alleviate if a tree falls if a tree if a tree falls okay hold on one one at a time I didn't say to to dredge you can take things out by hand yeah if a tree so just for a baseline for everybody here answer question if a tree falls down on your property irrelevant whether it's in a stream it's in your driveway it's the homeowner's responsibility to clear the tree on their property that fell on their property it's not the town responsibility so in this case if the tree was on their property fell on their property but happened overstream they have to bring a tree company in like anybody else would didn't clean it clear it yeah that's that doesn't need a permit no actually okay finish with this one question please that's the answer that I got from the DPW okay and the uh and at the time he was saying okay we can send somebody to investigate maybe we'll uh give them a ticket or something so that was about four months ago the tree is still there okay and I don't know this Grand that you got uh is going to help to remove that tree or not the tree is huge fairly large tree and it's in the Stream it's in the Stream we would clear if it's still there we would clear as we clear it right yeah we would clear that that would be clear yeah about what I'm saying when the time you clear it probably next year right right let's see what it is sure okay we're going to send code enforcement out in the DPW to look at it to see what's going on okay all right thank you thank you thank you oh V go ahead please Andy Andy just a quick question uh when would uh we be able to get like an Army Corps of Engineers or or some somebody like that to come in is that only an emergency when would be we be able to get uh some some organization like an Army Corps of Engineers to come in uh is that only during an emergency or you know is that something we can sort of schedule with the state or so the Army Corps of fed they would only come here to do something if the federal government authorized them I think they I think they report to the Secretary of the State I think right whatever so the secretary of state would have to give them orders to come here and once they come here they don't need permission from anybody they do whatever they're told to do they're they're they are the only armed engineering entity in the world actually so they would come in and do what they want and leave so they do things like in L they did thorium CL up the Federal Government said go clean thorium up they tell you what to do you have to listen they clean up and they leave and so theoretically we we wouldn't want uh them to come in well they usually come for big things right they come for jobs that are trillions and dollars and stuff like that this would be more of you know local state county projects so if we were to get to a point where we could get a stream Bank stabilization grant that would likely be administered through the army engineer yeah that's really good point could be hi I'm Stephanie sour Pastor neck um I have just a couple of comments first of all I did not receive a certified letter and the last time I looked there was a stream in my backyard so I just want to make the note that if I I'll sign up or whatever someone should double check um I don't think my immediate neighbors got a letter either because when I texted everyone they didn't I don't think they were aware of the meeting so just a comment for communication betterment which street are you on on Berkeley Drive what was the address I'm sorry uh I'm at 71 Berkeley Drive okay um secondly thank everybody here really seriously I know it's really frustrating I've seen um terrible terrible things happen from what's going on in our environment today and I wish there was more that we could all do um it's really you know uh it's very disheartening to watch you know when we've put all of our hard efforts and our monies into our homes and to watch them go through what potentially is really disastrous by financially for a lot of people so um thank you all for listening and for doing whatever you can do I I really do appreciate it um that being said a couple of questions first of all I wanted to know if we you were talking about you know no heavy armor but you could put you know obviously no Boulders and things and rock walls if you can plant near the stream number one how close are we allowed to plant and number two what specifically can we plant because I'm just I'm trying to be a little bit more proactive because I understand what the project we're discussing here is going to take some time obviously it needs to be done correctly and I appreciate that but is there anything else that we can do in the meantime to try to alleviate things and one as you were speaking before what should we plant things can we plant things are we allowed to I mean is that something that it's a dangerous Zone because if we say we run out here and say yeah go plant your streams with vegetation I'm not sure what comes out of that so I people will start start doing what they want they'll start moving dirt around they start moving soil over the place and and next thing you know they've changed the nature of the stream there are plants that I could recommend that if you planted them on the banks that are there they would grow and take over the whole bank and stabilize it the plants that do that are fairly expensive they're not your normal normal Packa Sandra plants like that that just go these plants go deep have root structures that go three four five feet in and they create a massive roots that can never be eroded by a storm I I would if there's communication amongst the flooded will call us the flooded um I would really if we're allowed to I would recommend making those suggestions in those forms of communication because anything that we can proactively do if this really isn't going to be done until you know for a year from now I mean this is the third fall that we have had major problems I've been in my house for 10 years and I was in another house in ten ofly for 19 years before that so I'm very familiar with the town um but this is the third fall and I can't even believe you know what's been going the past few weeks I can't even leave my house because I'm afraid that something's going to happen while I'm gone we have to all be there in full force to deal with it so I just it's a recommendation if if we are allowed to do something let us know what we're legally allowed to do tell us what those plants are for those who can or or would like to plant one plant if it helps or for those who can plant more they can plant more but if it's something that we can at least feel proactive about and not make us feel so desperate and so battered we have I've talked the pro attorney about this but it it would have to be something that if you were to do it it would make a difference the disaster would be if you want in the banks and started planting and and further disturb them those and and the plants didn't work they're just going to slide in and clog the stre course gon to make it worse the other problem is is if people who are I'm not saying you're inexperienced but people who are not contractors don't have these plants if you PL them along the bank and they don't hold then they'll get washed away and now you're a CL down stream right so I have to we have to be very careful it's a hard it's a hard measure you may be capable of it she may not he may be capable I don't know it's hard to determine how to do it the right way with residents doing it it'd be better if it was a burrow Le project all right well any I mean I'm just asking for the recommendation on the topic if the recommendation is to do nothing then so be it but I'm just asking to clarify we have to have we'll have to have a for discussion about that it's just a thought I'm just trying to think proactive um the other thing that I wanted to mention and I I totally understand how everyone here is putting time in and effort and I like I said I totally appreciate it and I'm going to make a big criticism and that is is that with one phone call I found out that the Culvert on the corner of Trafalgar and Berkeley has not been cleaned since 2018 April of 2018 I also found out that the storm drain on that same corner has not been cleaned since 2021 and 2021 it's 2022 2023 and 2024 this time of year are the three years that we've had the really big major whatevers which ultimately makes all of that clogging even worse so with one phone call I have that information and so I did call the DPW because I thought that you guys were more I was like I'll just go right to the DPW like that's what I should do right so I don't have to bother you Mark about that it's okay and so I did I made the phone call and the woman I spoke with was lovely and said great and we'll put in a a work order whatever and that was a long time ago okay we have those addresses down okay it's just and I I mean I feel like um Marisa in SVU I would like to submit in evidence the CT at the corner of Trafalgar and Berkeley and this CT has inches of air Che out there is no I mean I honestly believe that just doing that one cleaning would make a huge difference for the four or five houses right I'm the fourth house above this C and I actually have the worst flooding um because of where my L whatever for other reasons too but I'm just just doing that one thing like if we if we're allowed to do that as a town how come we're not doing that I also understand from people who have been in town as long as I have but in my first location I wasn't dealing with this um that there used to be checks before big like you said Mar we're doing that now right right 2018 I can't I don't know how that got missed but we're gonna find out I believe you I believe you yeah I'm a birth Dua you don't want to know really just and I have a video of it it's completely it's completely standing still water it is not moving in the least so when a when a storm comes it really is you know I I can't imagine it wouldn't make the hugest difference and I know our DPW guys work hard I see it I'm not I'm not saying that don't take me wrong but I just feel like maybe Midsummer like they do the winter check you know they really need to do that check and go through these areas that are really in a high a high level risk okay situation telling us um just like they do with the snow and whatever um the other I just have one other technical question and then I promise I'm done um what is just out of curiosity what are the setbacks for building when there's a stream on your property so today's regulations are different than they were most of the houses were built so today you mentioned 25 before so today from the top of Bank wherever we get established at the state doesn't wait what does that mean does that mean the edge like down straight there thisat so where where where it establishes back like your lawn right in today's regulations the state says the following this is a little complicated from that top of Bank 25 feet forward you can touch nothing can't grow grass can't mow it can't touch it can't do a tree it's not yours the state has jurisdiction don't touch it not that anybody does that but you're not supposed to so then you can't you can't plant you can't plant planting nothing you know I can't do anything so then we couldn't even answer the question about the state wants it right I know that's why it's complicated the state wants the natural but they also say that if from the top of this bank it's established wetlands in state of New Jersey so New Jersey has what's called Wetlands they establish them if it is Wetlands you have to classify then you can have either a 50 foot buffer a 100 foot buffer 150 foot buffer or a 300 foot buffer we can do nothing so what is it where we are how do we find out that information so if you want to find out the information you'd have to hire your own environmental professional and they tell you but you might not want that answer I wouldn't ask question once you know the answer once you know the answer you could take your whole property and it so now to go in advance out just so you know there's a different regulation that says from the center line of the stream on a C1 Mor which these are pretty close being you can't any disturbance for 300 feet but now those my house is illegal correct I don't know if you want to ask the question you're asking so I don't know I don't know your specific situation not that I need to know but what I'm saying is the regulations changed from 2004 forward before that everything's grandfathered I was going to say I mean yeah obviously but then we're all grandfathered in right but then it just prohibits future development future development okay there there is but somebody can I know we get this question some stand go wait a second my neighbors building ex to stream they have the ability to go over tenly to the state of New Jersey and get permits which they do it happens in this town the state can give them permits to build things like sheds and driveways and crossings and additions on their houses the state has waivers and exceptions for all these rules so though the rules seem very rigid they're not perfect okay I know it sounds that's why I said it's a very complicated answer and getting those permits takes time and money so the more money you have the more time you have the more permits you can get unfortunately the way it works right okay so it okay all right perfect thank you I appreciate it did you get your phone back Stephanie yes okay okay this one's also little show and tell uh my name is Carol hornline um a licensed PE in New Jersey and I'm representing um Judy lepon of 72 Downey drive and I have some photographs here of the site question but while I was working on a project for Judy lepson um several issues kind of jumped out at me as a storm order professional and I think these are issues that would help people to know about possibly on the council and also homeowners here um one of the major problems that Judy had during Ida was um she lives right on the overp and her the the stream goes right through her property and there's a culvert right there and what happened during Ida was that the water coming through the covert was blocked it came up over the street and then it basically came right towards her house she doesn't have one of those sunken driveways where it's you know where you know it's it's basically buried she she doesn't have that she actually has a nice flood plane in the backyard the problem is that the water just came right at her house then went around it and then went into the flood plane once it got into the creek it was fine the fact was the water didn't really get into the creek that easily once it jumped the road and so um one of the problems um that caused a lot of the damage was when the town did um sidewalks and curbs and driveway aprons for the the safe roots to schools program they sloped the apron toward the house instead of the street so now whenever the water you know doesn't go into the catch Basin over the Culvert it just basically comes right down her driveway so she gets all the runoff from Downey drive right down her driveway toward the house and she's lost many cars over the past few years because of this but the driveway apron was a real important thing we had to actually redo the driveway apron so that it sloped North to the street um another issue was that there was only one Inlet over covert on each side and it's in a sag condition meaning it's in the low spot so whenever all the water comes down the street from Downy Drive in both directions and it's carrying any debris it clogs the inlet and then the next thing it just goes right down Mrs L's driveway again so having more inlets would possibly help in the street in situations where there's just a sag Inlet or maybe redesigning it so that the debris bypasses it you know so that was another issue it just seemed like there could be more more inlets um the curb height now is just it's very short so the minute there's the last storm we had it just came right up over the curb her whole front yard to the house again so the curb Heights would be you know something to really look at and then um another issue that happened during Ida was that a neighbor Upstream on the uphill side of the covert um had built a wall on this this side of the stream except they built it it was recent construction and they built it out of those little blocks and it just this is overpack it it basically just all those blocks wound up being projectiles and coming down the creek and basically wound up in in Mrs Leon's yard and in the creek so there's I have pictures of I have pictures of the block I have pictures of the block catch Bas I have pictures of the debris in in the Stream and the sloped the slop driveway apron and then also another thing that occurred was that I think we should be worrying about when we're um looking at these things is is where the sanitary lines are because there's actually a sanitary line that goes right next to the covert and passes through her yard and so we couldn't really wait for any whatever is going to be happening to happen because the there was a big stone wall that four feet high that was right near the sanitary line and that was basically undermined by the the creek just it just started scooping out underneath it and so we had Landscaping firm get permits and they repaired the wall but that's something to think about because I shudder to think what would happened if the sanitary line had gotten damaged in the next the next storm so we had to kind of fix that um and uh so those are the major issues that I encountered when we were trying to help Mrs lebson but right now the biggest problem is just that no matter what we do even even directing the driveway apron towards the street again the minute the water in the street and Downy Drive gets over the curb it it happens again so and it just happened recently again after we she had paid for and done all this work so it just seems to me that that I just that might be help Andy's very familiar with this property yeah property yeah yeah so I thought and and so there's some pictures here that that may help anyone who wants to be get more familiar with it but I appreciate see live I appreciate you you know mean you know meeting with with us and and and all that so just wanted to point that out and so now I understand thank you very much for this presentation that helps us understand exactly what's going to be happening thank you thank you anyone else have a question Howe want to come back up of course come over to the microphone please how we again Andy you mentioned that uh tly is affected by Anglewood Cliffs runoff uh are you guys the engineers up there I will I have been over the years okay so they have the this massive project going on now that the state forced upon them that judge Warrington forced upon them I know that the 450 units that they're building there by the old lip in t yeah you're that project drains to the Hudson River so it's not gonna affect you okay that's what I just wanted to say based on and that causes all kinds of flooding up there but that's a different issue the only reason I was asking because based on you know the state mandated that could tenly show some kind of effect on tenly and make a claim to the state doesn't come this way okay [Music] any other questions from anyone yes come back up Jina where's the sign in sheet Omar has it has everybody signed in we'll make sure sign in Whoever has so please pass the sheet around Jina whoever hasn't signed because we're gonna use that for notification for future meetings Andy okay oh please come up to the microphone and just give us your name please what is your house and Street number please Edgewood what's your house number 33 Edgewood the some pumps for 4 years this is the first time I and when is that picture from um every storm every storm now okay all right we've got it we'll go take a look at it okay Andy do you have any closing comments council members or Dave you have any final comments no I'll leave some cards up here so as my email and so forth as well all right so with the ne the next steps sorry V go ahead yeah just another quick question I I know that the the Board of Ed um owns part of that part of the I think it's over peek um that property how does that work I maybe that's a question for Wendy but uh do we get the same kind of permissions and stuff oh yeah we would still need their permission onto the property but it's a little bit easier there being another you know uh public entity but yes so so being part of teni I mean you know there's no issues with the separation there's still a separate entity and we would still get their approval to to work on their property so the next step is going to be doing the surveying um things of that nature right and so we'll send letters out again to let people know when we're about to show up yeah we're gonna so the again the first part is the start in the street right so we're going to be all over the streets the next 90 days okay so you're going to see people in yellow vest and Har hats doing survey reip with like a little handheld device doing inverts popping man holes once that's done that should take us to about Christmas just after the Christmas holiday after New Year's in January February when the trees have no leaves we're going to be in the Stream doing the same thing that's when we'll notify you so it'll be about January we notific by January okay as of today we will be in the street you'll see us just leave those folks alone they'll they if if an inlets Clogg they will pick that the device picks that up so let's say then it's clogged or there's debris on top or something's wrong with it when they survey it they pick up all the information so you don't have to point it out they'll say it all which street are you in CR okay yeah when we do the model that'll be we'll determine that well we you have my word we will be back here more than once to talk about this as we build both the survey information into a model into Solutions but yeah we would that that'll be in the planning portion so there's mapping evaluation than planning I hope you do this is the correct all right so we're going to have more of these planning meetings and discussions in the future and uh we will keep Comm communicating the issues with everyone and thank you for being here tonight yes but you have a question come up oh you're welcome and sign up for it yeah good thank you for coming thank you okay can I have a motion to adjourn please have a second all in favor thank you [Music] everyone my hair long darks red eyes