##VIDEO ID:b2JNpUzBKaA## to a uh meeting um it's 2 pm on uh September 11th 2024 um if we can do a roll call sure Brad freeze here Thomas Bradford here Russ Redmond here clay Damon Jill W here Michelle shuss here's clay Wade chance here and Clay has just arrived hello okay um approval of agenda I did have an addition um does anyone have additions deletions modifications to the agenda okay I do have an addition this uh all of us have seen before this is the U citizens survey uh but it's just the question that's relevant to us and thank I don't think it made it into the agenda so I've been printed that for this will come up later on the so if I could get a motion can I ask you a question before we do that um I believe you saw an email from the Jupiter Narrows over the last few days um is that something we want to talk about it's in the agenda it's on the agenda yeah under um okay under new business new business was what we couldn't get to last week ah okay all right perfect yep so I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as admitted as uh submitted with the addition of the item pertaining to the environmental matters in the citizens survey I second all right motion carries um communication from citizens I don't see anyone so we will uh now fortunately we have a presentation from the oah hatche river environmental control district uh executive director Dr Aubry Arrington thank you very much on the name yeah um so I'm Albert Arington I'm the executive director of luxed River District are you Jess Redmond yeah I am Jess is a awesome person yeah yeah um anyways executive director locked River District um born and raised in Jupiter and went to undergraduate University of Florida and then uh worked at Water Management District on the CMI River restoration for about five years left went to grad school at Texas A&M heard got some Texas people up here gig mags and left there I was a professor at University of Alabama some all SEC and and uh was enjoying Alabama and the whole Professor gig and just missed home my brothers would call me and taunt me with living in paradise and that I was a loser in Texas and so here I am um locki River District is unique I I like to tell friends who are still in Academia um that I literally have the dream job of an academic scientist so I get my day in the doubt worry is preserving and protecting the river that I grew up in that I learned to swim in that I fished in all my life and that's also a national wild and Scenic River and so um I'm not a normal person who manages a Wastewater utility typically those are Engineers I'm an environmental scientist I generally consider myself an aquatic ecologist um but the governing board both 18 years ago whenever I was hired and even today is is particularly mindful of the natural system that we work within and that the the work that we do we want it to be uh contextual to being in the Watershed of a national M Scenic River and so um I like to say that we don't have to cheat our customers to stay in business and we have the luxury of doing really good work uh and doing it really well and so we're we're proud of that so do have some slides for you I'm fine with questions interruptions I don't care um I did this picture just because it's always nice to be reminded that there is a Wastewater utility in town having grown up in Jupiter literally my entire life um the only time that I was aware the district existed was as like an early teenager sneaking in through the back fence to go fishing in the reclaimed water ponds and I had no idea why the ponds existed uh I just knew that there were really big bass in there um so it's funny it it is um we're proud of the work that we do and and the facility we have we have about $180 million of assets a lot of them are underground out of out ofsight out of mind um but this is the the wastewater treatment facility I love talking about Wastewater so if you guys any questions you have Wastewater I'm cool with that um one of the questions so Jay was fortunate to give me a list of questions that he thought y'all would be interested in and one was what's up with neighborhood sewering and um this was the old this is so Hightech right this is like pitiful so this map was done in roughly 2003 and it was a retrospective on areas that we had already converted from septic to sewer and you can see the light blue was 1970s the light green is 1980s the the pink or magenta is 2000 to 2002 and then the um the black there is 2003 SE the only homes east of 95 in our service area that do not have a sewer connection are basically on private roads and so that we do not have the legal ability to deliver sewer Tu there are a lot of homes on private roads who we have provided sewer tu because they said hey can we get access and we work with them to provide that so then the the only meaningful chunk of homes in our service area that are not yet connected to sewer are pach Country Estates and Jupiter Farms and so P Beach country estates right relatively large Lots right acre and a quarter plus and Jupiter Farms our service area only our legislatively defined service area only goes to Jupiter Farms Road so relative to all of Jupiter Farms that's actually a pretty small portion so one could argue that we don't have the legislative authority to go build sewers west of Jupiter Farms Road we could from Jupiter Farms Road back to the east basically to to the C8 Canal we have built sewers and we do serve actively Jupiter Country Club in Sona Isles so that just gives you an idea of who's not connected to sewer and relatively it is the rural segments of our Watershed Jupiter Farms pich Country Estates to the ENT that that they were like hey we want sewers we obviously have the technical capacity and actually we have the scope of uh capacity within our wastewater treatment system to serve them it would take significant investment and pipes going to large transmission pipes to their communities Wastewater pumping stations Etc so it would be you know a serious job I think we estimated this maybe um 10 years ago about $90 million of building sewers to serve all of them all of those areas um so that was one of the questions that was just mindful of your time you guys all can listen I'm happy to talk um so that's neighborhood sewering I would say Urban portion of our Watershed and accessible right I.E on public roads basically all of them are sewer and have sewer available there are very small number of individuals who sewer is available and they have not physically connected to sewer uh after a year state law requires them to connect sewer within a year after a year we begin billing them for sewer service so then the only reason for them not to connect is just pure Spite and generally that's not a good fight to get in if someone's fighting from a strong spite position and so we wait them out and homes turn over with a pretty high rate in our community and generally when someone buys a home and they're like what what do you mean sew is available I can connect and we're like yeah the fees have been paid and you're already paying a quarterly bill please let us let us help you so that process is there and I think works very well and and I go and speak to areas Martin County Down South who are grappling with us I was just on an episode a deal with um Lake Clark Shores they're struggling with neighborhood sewering so I will often go and advise some of these different groups of what we've done and how we've worked through that and it's like anything it's a big hard problem and you just come up with a plan you base it on the best data engineering science that you have and you execute it so we we're pretty proud of what we've done with the neighborhood sewering I have a question um I thought and I might be off here but Palm Beach country estates I thought had some put like some of those houses are already hooked up so they have portable water service so town of Jupiter provides water to them okay and there may there may literally be one or two houses on the north side of Donald Ross Road so we don't have sorry it's we don't have any transmission pipes and palm stations to serve Palm Beach country estate okay and so there have been a couple and I actually don't think they're homes they might be small businesses that were trying to go in right along down like a daycare or something like that and we work with SE Coast to allow SE Coast to serve them because SE Coast already serves Southeast Point Road and so there are and then there are areas of SE Coast that they didn't have any assets near to serve and that we serve them we we have a mutual agreement that at the point that our assets are there they would convert our customers vice versa in general thank you with the exception of maybe two properties from home each country states they have pable water from town ofup but not okay thank you and I'm like really confident thank you um so that's that so we see a computer screen so things coming um another thing that was ask and I'll just like again not waste all our time sitting around um there were a question about what are we doing for resiliency and like greenhouse gas and that kind of stuff so we've been systematically working on evaluating options and so our governing board is is I would say truly minded to do the right things for the right reasons but obviously cost is a practical implication and so we've done we've actually since I've been I've been the director at the district for I don't know like uh I think I'm in my 16th year and so in that time period we've done two different attempts at an evaluation of the cost effectiveness of solar we have about 80 acres of lakes on our property that we store Reed water in I've always thought man be no brainer to like float solar out on all those Lakes cuz it's not like you know we're running you know bass competitions or water skiing on those lakes and so it would it be great if we could float solar out there and generate energy we obviously use about a million dollars a year energy and wastewater treatment process it is an extensive or energy intensive utility to operate as as our own membranes already you guys know and so every time that we approach that that the the cost benefit the return on investment just is not there and like I said we've done that we reup that study maybe two years ago that's a Hazen Hazen soer executed study um so we've looked at that um we're in the midst of executing a resiliency study where we're going to have Coro I think you guys may interact with Coro engineers in the village to a degree having them working on a kind of a comprehensive resiliency study when my slides you'll see some acronyms that they're using and then one of the things that I'm really most proud of from from like a greenhouse gas emissions and environmental sustainability it and it's not anything that I I did the science but I didn't do like the Strategic thinking and so back in the day our longtime executive director Rick Dent was there he was a limnologist most people didn't know that they assumed he was an engineer theologist studies lakes and uh there you go um so Rick Rick as a director his technical background was studying lakes and the Ecology of lakes and whenever we designed the reclaim water we like I was around but when they designed the reclaim water storage Lakes on our property he has a list went in and really leaned into the engineering design of those and they have this huge um perimeter relative to surface area they're like they're not Square L they're like weird shapes and he wrote a paper in 1975 I guess convincing the board and Engineers that this is what needed to be done and he predicted the amount of nitrogen and phosphorus that would be removed from the water if they in fact went with this design of lakes and you know after I arrived again about 18 years ago been director now I'm in my 16th year so I came in as a scientist and rck was like man I've got all this data I know it says some stuff I think I know what it says but I need you to start working on like's some of this and like really confirm do we know what we know and I'm going to jump forward a little bit out of order here so this paper on the right I gave Jay a link to this it's free you can download it is I saw published I don't know like 60 peer-reviewed Journal articles right this is what scientists do it's a currency of science um this honestly is my favorite paper that I've ever been part of and the science that we did here is really remk able we've won awards with this paper from the Water Foundation and others um the journal that is published in science total environment is like a 96 percentile ranking Journal so it's a very high ranking journal the short of this paper says okay we have a standard wastewater treatment plant and wastewater treatment plant can be a different design you can have a a secondary treatment you can do Advanced wastewater treatment you can run waste water through membranes have Aro membranes you can treat water however you want to treat it I've actually worked with some of the guys that designed a water recycling system on the International Space Station obviously they are cooler than me and so they literally every molecule of water on the International Space Station gets recycled out of the air out of rat urine they don't care where it came from water is so heavy and so expensive to get there they recycled it all and no money you know crazy can you imagine doing that on planet Earth to be like bro I got some water for you to drink everyone would be like ah no way no way Jose but on the space station it's a bunch of astronauts who are like pretty down with engineering and Science and they're like we trusted engineering and science to get us here we're fine give me something to drink and so any of that so right there are a lot of cool people doing water recycling literally outside of the earth that we live on as well as inside you can treat water to whatever level you want it's just how much money do you want to spend to treat it generally money will often scale with complexity of design and with the energy required to treat right energy costs money our wastewater treatment system is a relatively standard secondary treatment with um U oxidation biosolids we then we come out of that treatment system obviously we treat water to meet EPA the EP standards that are acceptable for recycling water for landscape irrigation all the golf courses in our area are irrigated with our water Jupiter Hills Jupiter Country Club literally all of them Trump National even I was always scared he was going to Tweet if we messed up recl water he president never happened so we treat the water in a standard wastewater treatment plant and we store it in lakes on our property and then any customer that uses reclaimed water they have to have a lake on their property and it has to have a dead minimum of 3 days of storage because guess what things humans make including pumps and pipes break and so I don't want someone's entire Golf Course dying if I can't deliver them irrigation water on one day most customers actually the median as our customers have 10 days of storage on site because they got a place the lake to get it to the lake sits it gets treated it sits in our Lakes roughly 35 to 50 days then it gets piped to a customer it sits in their Lake medium of 10 days and then it gets pumped out of their Lake through the irrigation system comes out spring fore heads all of Abacoa every inch of and including Roger Dean stadiums irrigated with our water re water as well as all the golf courses in our community this paper showed when you look at the nutrients nitrogen and phosphorus are the two main nutrients people worry about errific and algae blooms when you look at nutrients at the end of our Standard Concrete wastewater treatment plant which is called gray infrastructure because concrete's gray with have really high nutrient concentrations on the order of 3 Mig per liter phosphorus and the order of about say 20 Mig per liter of nitrogen now that's that's way down from what it was in raw waste water but it's still really high we would never want to take that water and dump it into a local river lake or something natural system of course our manade systems are different right we go from there by the time we walk in Abaco and we set up funnels and we did this cuz we're scientists you set up funnels and you catch the sprinkler water that it's our water that gets caught in funnels in the milk crate goes in the bottle and put the lid on you go back to the lab and you analyze it thousands of samples over 11 years the water that's coming out of sprinklers and avoa and analogous the golf courses the quality of that water is almost precisely equal to the quality of advanced wastewater treatment which is so again I said we have a basic secondary treatment so to go from secondary treatment to Advanced treatment is a remarkable increase in cost of operation and greenhouse gas emissions because you're literally pouring in like a labal carbon Source like methanol or or think of sugar right so you're adding all this labile carbon so the microbes have tons of food and they invest all this energy eating the food and they assimilate the additional nutrients so you can go standard treatment which we have or you can go in advanced treatment way more money for your customers to pay operating cost and way more greenhouse gas emissions because of process Associated oh look wait what if we go basic treatment we run it through all these natural lakes or a distribution Pipeline and the design of that system when we come out of our sprinkler heads we're roughly equivalent to uh Advanced Waste Water treatment so that's what that paper says is chalk full of like real data we had great uh the last guy in the author list G the like crazy data scientist who we were getting people were harassing us because our statistics that he went through and like I don't even understand the statistics it doesn't matter they're right um really good paper and really compelling the coolest thing that I think that we have demonstrated that we've done is that the overall design and operation of our system is maximized to decrease cost to customers and how I know that if I go look at what's our Wastewater rates relative to Martin County and Sea Coast and other utilities roughly We're Half Price like literally call yourself call whatever is your favorite Wastewater utility and be like hey what's average monthly cost for wastewater treatment in your service area for a two or three toilet home because that's right average in our area our we charge quarterly and I think quarterly and average two or three foil home the quarterly ratees about 80 bucks right um you will find it is not uncommon for people to pay $60 to 80 a month for wastewater treatment so we're very proud that the overall architecture of our system is premised on a really clever system that we were able we get paid by Wastewater customers to take their water we treat it to high levels using gray concrete and green natural system ecosystems right and then we deliver that to golf coures now the golf courses are paying so we get paid on the front end to take the dirty water we get paid on the back end to deliver the Recycled water and those two rate payers are actually offsetting each other's costs it's not like we're like a crazy profit Center spending money on nonsense right we're like a utility pretty Enterprise single Focus so this is the slide right we did this solar evaluation by Hazen I have wanted badly to do solar it just a cost just a isn't there um I'll Circle back to so on the end um greenhouse gas emission study we've done that I'll show you a slide of some stuff you may be interested in that or not and again with showing and really demonstrating in the literature I love this paper because it shows what a intelligent approach strategic approach we've taken literally since the 70s on the work that we're doing I'm just going to jump back and make sure I didn't miss anything so this is a table showing who doesn't have sewers and basically very top Jupiter Farms P Country Estates Indian Hills were in the midst of building sewers to serve them it's only like 20 homes and then some of the middle ones are private roads and it's like a single lot private road so very low we're doing a utility vulnerability assessment um it's obviously awwa American Waterworks Association and then America's water infrastructure act curious none of that technically applies to Wastewater the one yeah the second bullet compliance with that is not required for Waste Water it is required for drinking water so like margery's out like being compliant with this it doesn't apply because drinking water is going to everyone's homes and people are consuming it so if someone tampers with that and doses you know a bad chemical in that obviously it's going to people to consume whereas Wastewater pretty nasty stuff getting treated and used for landscape irrigation or if we have excess water it goes down to De injection well so it's just not the same level of um threat susceptibility and like anxiety of someone messing with a Wastewater system as opposed to drinking water nonetheless we like to do things not just because they're mandated but if we think something smart we like to go and pursue it and we're in the midst of doing that um talked about this here's a greenhouse gas slide and so just scope one and scope two whenever you think about what we're doing and the energy right that we're burning and the the greenhouse gas emissions that we're having the very bottom line there is a curious one and to explain this to you right so you realize the waste waterer that we treat right it obviously should have urine feces and FL paper plus nothing else well sadly not everyone's got that Amo so a lot of people throw trash tips dental floss all kinds of other nonsense down the toilet any presentation I ever do I always tell people you will not be an exception your toilet is not a trash can have a trash can near the toilet and use that for trash whatever random trash you have in your hand when you're in the toilet don't throw it in the to I realize it's a large receptacle that you can throw nearly anything thing and some of them adti on how many golf balls they flush that doesn't help me like throw it in the trash right I can take you the most disgusting part of what we do is the very beginning of wastewater treatment where we literally capture trash and put it in a dumpster and let again what is should be in Wastewater you're in Theses and toilet paper let that go through to be treated so I always beg people for the sake of humanity the people that work for me throw trash in a trash can if yall would relate that at the dinner table tonight I would appreciate that and guarantee you say it at the dinner table with some Authority like hey we heard this presentation what are they going to be like that's gross don't talk like Hey listen it's reality right we're eating we're going to be eting in soad what are we so Wastewater comes in again it's DC's it's urine it's toilet paper so that comes in that's a it's an organic biological load right so think about that literally it's just it's a food mass for something that's interested in that kind of food right imagine if you ran a hog farm a Wastewater Plant is an excellent uh a hog farm is an excellent analogy for a Wastewater Plant so what happens you go like to your local grocery store you got your Hogs over here you go to Public's back door you get all their old vegetables all their old food that's past expiration and you take it you deliver it to the Hogs and it's not food that we want to eat but the Hogs are like party on let's go so they eat it so when hogs eat right what do they do they eat they grow in Mass they have babies and they they have waste right so in a wastewater treatment a plant and our specifically instead of having Hogs we have Micro just normally occurring microorganisms the great thing about them is their mean generation time is minute so they reproduce Beyond imagination like so fast so the food waste comes in and the microbes our goal is to make m mices happy we're like you want us to sing you today we don't care we'll sing you want more oxygen you want different right we're going to do it how can we make you happy and those microbes just are like blissfully unaware they're doing their thing so the microbes in the heterotropic respiration or organic matter that comes in they are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere because it's part of just like us breathing in and breathing out they do analogous they don't have lungs but analogous cellular respiration they're creating more biomass they're growing their individual cells bigger and then they're dividing and making more copies of themselves so the Gras emissions coming out of irration basin is literally the microbes breathing in the decomposition of the organic matter that comes in so that is the biggest bar on there and other than setting up a a CO2 scrubber on on top of that there's no way to diminish that because it's literally the load of organic matter coming in that is going through um heterotropic respiration be converted into biom microbial biomass and ultimately gets recycled as fertilizer so when you're thinking about what can we do to like how can we squish this the only way we go capture the Iration Basin gas emissions is we literally load scrubbers and we like capture the CO2 and convert it to something El like injected into the ground there's no easy affordable option there so then the other stuff right the next big one that we've highlighted is plain electricity obviously we want to be smart so where we can look and find more efficient pumps where we can look to just simply optimize the existing the operation of existing pumps right those are things that we're doing continuously and we're getting better and better blowers are expensive to operate we're updating 2007 equipment 2024 equipment looking for marginal increases in efficiency and as well optimizing the operation of these things and and we're spending real money you know in the order of millions of dollars of upgrading this equipment and then optimizing the operation in the system and then if you don't know this so on the very top we have the Solid Waste Authority biosolids peliz facility natural gas so our biosolids all those micr we're growing like game Busters we're good at growing those things so about 70% of them get recycled inside the waste water we're just moving them you know they're going through the process and we're like looping them back to the beginning they're just recycling in there they're The Brute stock of the Hogs and about 30% in the average day are getting diverted off into semi-trailers we then and it looks like a really wet cow patty just give you a vental image there or like a really thick uh chickf like cookie cream milk chake like either one right there so we load that in a trailer a semi-trailer we dried it down to Solid Waste Authority there's a bolid facility everyone from like bokeh up to us R all a bunch of I think seven Wastewater utilities or Partners we all own a little piece of it and we take those biosolids we take land the natural gas off the landfill and we burn that to basically um pel convert the biosolids into pelletized fertilizer which is like M organite and get sold either wholesale to fertilizer blenders or various scenarios it's also energy dense and I've been arguing that we need to leave the fertilizer business and sell it to the waste energy plant and use it for the energy density in the P that that's a whole different issue anyways that's kind of big picture gas emissions I think the three things are really worth thinking about on that and of course you can go pick the smallest line you want but move little lines isn't where the money is um water quality so these are my slides if they seem random it's Jay's fault if they seem amazing that's also J um so Jay said hey we want to you know talk about water quality in longy I would tell you the like cocktail level high point of water quality discussion on around the locki river is there's just freaking not enough water in the dry season it's raining like crazy solid water no one needs any more water today right you don't need to water your Lawns to C drinking water is losing Revenue because everyone turned off their irrigation system right because it's just raining when it rains we get it's not uncommon for us to get over 70 Ines of rain that's crazy even that much rain in the dry season invariably February March April May it is really dry and the river doesn't get enough flow so there are two elements a state law EST is the minimum flow level for the locker River and there are two elements in the NFL quantification one is how much flow goes over lanart and it's the minimum number is 35 cubic feet per second and if you fall below that for continuous 20 days then you violated the MFL that's one number that number actually could be gain because Water Management who controls the water Regional water movement they can hold water in c18 at the g92 structure and then on the 1990th day they can open it and deliver 36 CFS and restarts the clock that one kind of I struggle with that one because it can be gained so easily but I appreciate Water Management District while in the past they gained it lately they have not been gaming that all and I I'm grateful the other element really cannot be gained is that salinity down at Kitchen Creek so if you're at John Dixon State Park like the swiming Beach or you jump on one of the concession boats and they take you Upstream about a half from the concession area in John Dixon Upstream you'll see there's a tributary going to the north that's Kitchen Creek and there's a USGS gauging station there so that is uh one of the areas where we measure salinity in the water and as you keep going that's like River mile 8 as you keep going another mile upshore Upstream about a mile before you get the Trappers you're now at River mile 9.1 these are like technical establishing states that there's a station there the second one going Upstream from JD so that River mile 9.1 it's measuring solinity that measuring it's measuring solinity near the surface of water and down at the bottom and the MFL says if salinity there the average of the two exceeds two parts per thousand for a 20-day rolling average then you've had an MFL violation and that one is remark it's very hard to gain that that 20-day rolling average that catches up you can do one day of 30 60 fs and it doesn't really bend that curve so to me the salinity is one that's always curious and you're like d where did they like pick two parts per thousand like thises even make sense a lot of science went into the MFL a ton and the Curious one to know is the cypress trees which are like a Hallmark habitat structure in the Upstream portion of the river juvenile cypress trees demonstrated really good research if they experience two parts per thousand salinity as a and also a Seedling kills them well you can't have a mature Forest if every time you get a Seedling growing they get killed you know in the first second or third year of life and so the MFL and the violation the consistent violation annually literally almost every year right since we've been around cat was dug in 1958 they've started trying to improve flows to the Northwest fork in the 70s and we've done lots of things um this was a a canoe kayak trip of the locket River Management coordinating Council two years ago I think margerie was on this trip and it really was much more of a can you weigh the lockah hatchee River from from Riverbend to Traer nelon then can you paddle because it was so ridiculously there was just no water in the river the MFL was flagrantly violated at this point there's always things that you can do anywhere and if you go looking but again back to likeo principle right how do we focus our efforts on the biggest problems that Maxim maximize the return of investment delivering adequate base flows to the river I believe is the number one water quality it's a water quantity issue but it's number one issue struggling that the river struggles with it generates like legitimate har to the river we have a website with a crazy amount of data on it all of our we're very strong on like we have data we want it out there right we we do Wastewater surveillance for Co and other things it's right on our homepage collect Wastewater surveillance that data as soon as it comes in we don't even bet it it goes right out we believe that having data available for people to make informed decisions is valuable the water quality data that we have is again if you go to Bo River environmental control district ld.org you go there you click protecting the river and then you click water quality there pages and pages and pages of analytics like this and some of them are very simplistic this with a green yellow red highlighting like how we judge this as like good healthy or bad um and then some of them are are raw numbers and you can parse the data so many different ways I will tell you on the chlorop the chlorophyll We Believe at like a a kind of a technical level the threshold that D and EPA set for corlor in longu river is is really seriously overly conservative and it has to do with the data that was available at the time when they were setting the thresholds so we didn't set the the categories here on what's good bad or good fair or poor we actually we're using DP D and EPA values to to color code those um whenever D and EPA were making these thresholds um and we have technical correspondents back and forth with their technical scientists that they will gladly conceive the chlorophyll levels that they have established targets for the lockedge river are just crazy low so like for example 7 milligrams per liter that just doesn't mean anything to you right so if you walk up and see like an amazingly beautiful body of water like so clear it's like amazing um easily you could have 7 Mig per liter of chlorophyll it's just not visually observable when you get up into the 20s and then like an algae bloom you're up into hundreds of thousands so you because people will look at this and be like good board the sky falling look at cor it's all red and yellow that one metric is really heavily biased because the target the D EPA set is just excessively uh realistically low is sorry to interrupt but just some clarification so you said February to May is the dry season right but if I so so February to May is the driest of the dry season so the dry season actually begins technically in like October or November depending on the year I think and I'm looking I mean my eye goes right to the bacteria which it all looks great I would that's just confusing that if that's the dry season but bacteria in there so so okay so that's a great question it is very common to see the worst bacteria values in the water after a rainfall so without a doubt and actually so do boys comes up a lot like oh there's a warning like Don't Go sing in we've actually done a ton of work on the water quality in because again I got on my desk is a picture of me with like jao mask learning to swim in D boys D boys is important to my family so we have we have more data than anyone on du boys and the whole lockage river water quality perspective and we're like can we build a better model because bacteria results never are instantaneous you have to literally go back and culture the bacteria so it's it's days right so when when the health department says oh don't go swimming at bacteria what they on du boys because of bacteria what they really mean is like two and a half days ago you probably shouldn't to do but I'll tell you like literally our really strong uh data analysis if it has rained more than a half of an inch in the last three days don't go swimming and do Bo on outgoing tide go at incoming tide go at high tide if it hasn't rained in 3 days go anytime you want so it is when the rain falls on the ground and runs across the land so these bacteria that we look for and we monitor they occur naturally in muy soil they occur literally in you know when we get all the sargas watches up on the beach and sargas is like half buried in the siment that SAR gasm decomposing is loaded with what are generally described as veal color bacteria it's a large group of species that occur in muck in mud in decomposing SAR gasm on the beach in lawn we've had um one of our staff members who lives in Testa has cut it has his son cut his yard and we just grass and he doesn't have a dog took grass clippings threw them in a bucket let them like ferment for a couple days and we find high bacteria so the rain falling on the land running across the landscape to a storm drain out into the river is driving bacteria and that's why generally wet season we will see the worst bacteria values and the dry season we'll see the best that that's a good question thank you I was going to also ask you being data driven being from here and in your position for so long how does some of this compared to 2010 2000 19 you know are we doing better are we doing worse so that that's that's like literally you know the gold star question and the way that you do that I'll just use myself for example right so I just ran a 5k the other day because I've never been fit in my whole life just I'm active I love fishing and free diving but my dad had a stroke and my brother had a stroke and I was like dude I got to go to the gym like I'm going to die who wants to have a stroke right so I've invested all this effort so then I ran a 5 I was like that's I'm super happy with that time um the challenge with humans you have all these variables coming in right extraneous things you control things you don't control posos how much posos are you ingesting that you're just not even aware of right how much radiation did you you can kind of control that you have all these very come in the wed we've been working and and I say we lockage River District but a lot of others Palm Beach County water managementa we've been working to improve the systems that protect our Waters right storm water system you guys are investing in we're investing in Wastewater Count's investing in natural lands all the while we've been like re like going to the gym like diligent every agency showing up at the gym doing real work all the while the density of people in our service area has gone like this and so you have those compounding factors I mean I literally I grew up off lockit River Road we ride our bikes over to the vicinity Eagles Nest dock free rain anyone's backyard seaw walls fishing like and you know what one lot where we used to like go fishing all the time one lot now has like six bigger homes than I can conceive of and so when you look at the increase in density of our area of people pets like all of the things um it makes you really step back and go is looking at the transition of water quality from the 70s to the 80s to the '90s to today how is that driven by the increase in density versus how has it been offset by the real work that people have been done and I would say in many there's there's so many variables you can go look at but in many instances we actually find relative stasis so generally you have massively increasing density and you're maintaining relatively stable water quality conditions so obviously without the investment that we're putting in storm water systems and waste water that water quality would have just been in the tank um that I struggle with that cuz invariably like people are like like well how how is it getting better and I'm like you kind of don't understand right it's there's so much density going on a question that Jay ask was regarding Leo Kobi discharges I don't know does this have a laser pointer yep it does all right so I I'm like up here rambling on if you guys get like over this they like dude just stop I'm fine for you to say that I respect that um depending on your like comprehensive knowledge of the water shed I again I've worked for water management I sat on the water Management's advisory Water Resources advisory committee I have a pretty broad sound knowledge of the regional water system that serves our area so the general comment you guys if you know if you're from the area and you know fishing krie Chin's like a big name right he's like cool guy so about two years ago Carrie Chen posted something on Facebook like laob discharges are screwing the lock haty it's so brown right now and I was like I called him I was like Carrie tell me you know more than than this man he's like what do you mean I'm like bro you tell me how like Kobi water gets into lock hatche and I'll come buy you lunch and he's like well well my buddy said and I was like yeah your buddies are clowns they actually don't know so here's Leo Kobi oh man I don't know if yall can see the pointer it doesn't work on the TV oh that's awesome okay so Lego Kobi is on the left side of the TV right you get it yeah then the honken kind of geometrically straight line going to the top center of the TV is the um the St Lucy Canal c44 up up very high there the big Reservoir above that is the FPL cooling reservoir for their power plant out there anyway so that Canal going to the St Lucy right that's a c44 St Lucy Canal it's going to the St Lucy River Lake Oobi discharges like crazy going there blowing out St lcy EST without a doubt then you have the the big giant undeveloped areas in this north of all the a fields are first D which is closer to the lake and then JW Corbett and those are like spectacular if you like hunting they're great and if you don't like hunting they're amazing Ocean Lake Trail hiking in there that is really phenomenal so adjacent to those is a big Canal that's bringing water to the east um the la8 canal and that la8 Canal yep exactly that La Canal will come down then the the construction right there kind of near where Jay right above J near the bottom yeah that's a c-51 reservoir that Reservoir was originally bought by water management to deliver base flows to the lock River and dry period so we would stop violating the MFL there had been a long long lawsuit between Everglades and different people with Water Management District they stole that reservoir from the LOI River I say this well humored they stole it from us and gave it to the Everglades to settle a massive lawsuit that originated when Lon Charles was governor it is what it is Everglades is bigger than Loach I realized we lost that but that water comes down to LA and It ultimately will make it into um a series of canals that go east and discharge into Lake Worth lagoon near Peanut Island and so if you're ever at Peanut Island when it's raining a lot and it's outgo tight water like straight up will go ground that's because you can get some not crazy most of that water is a local Basin run off but you can get some water coming down the LA making it to Lake Worth Lagoon if you're in St Lucy whole lary will go fresh Lake oovi the only way for Lake Kobe water to get to the long hedge River and there are two ways and this is like I could take you in engineering be like this is a ditch and this is the canal that water flows through one is if you follow that c44 Canal on the north of the screen before you get to the last angle where it turns North in that vicinity there is a very small form a ditch and I mean small like small you know 10 ft wide or less that will come down to the South and will bring water um it's so curious I not have a poter there's agriculture yeah exactly it'll come down and can you put your finger on Pratt Whitney Road uh it's East West kind of go Indian Town's going out okay so there you go that's perfect that's the intersection of Indi toown Road and Pratt Whitney if you turn north on PR Road and go up there's some a there right there's some Road crop agriculture basically off Bridge Road and just South of Bridge Road on on Pratt road that little canal coming off c44 and again it's like a ditch not a canal can technically and it does deliver Lake Oobi water to those a fields for irrigation that water if they over pump water and again it's it's not gravity driven it's pump if they over pump water that water will literally snake through and around agriculture fields and can get to the ler River just Downstream of um Trapper Nelson in vicinity of Cyprus Creek so technically L Oobi water can get to the locket River there also Lake Oobi water can flow through Grassy Waters into the c18 grassy Waters it makes that's managed by city of West Palm Beach it blows their mind when that happens and so they don't never let that happen so technically you can move a molecule of water from the lake to the locked River but practically it like does not happen it would be in the order of magnitude it would be less than like a millionth of 1% of freshwat Clos to the river originates from lakeo Kobi so we're not worried about lakeo Kobe impacts on the lock Hatchy in a general sense are you worried about the agricultural runoff of fertilizers so that's a great question honestly the evidence that I have seen much more than then fertilizers and pesticides and like the whole shooting match is the turbidity and we've actually worked diligently with Martin County because this is all Martin County area to really document what we have seen and if you're ever canoing gr if you don't ever as the environmental committee I would beg you to canoe kayak the river it's just right you got to and so right the cool part is from Riverbend to basically just pass or to Trappers I'll say riverb and Trappers like oh my goodness Cypress cany but then as you leave trackers immediately on your left there's a creek comes in the Cypress Creek if you do this stop at Cyprus Creek and look and more than likely the turbidity coming in on Cyprus Creek is notably higher than what's in the natural part of the river and so the turbidity is the one that we have seen persistent and we believe that it's associated with the egg in this area that we're talking about and and I know that has put some real effort into we don't have actual policing authorities of this we're trying to capture the data to be like hey this is what we think matters and needs addressing and then we're handing that to whoever we think has the authority to like call people to account where uh Mr Arrington where is the water that they're proposing to add to the loan slw to get to the river where is that coming from so there are two ele right because basically I said our biggest water issue is not water quality it's water quantity how do we get dry season so how do we get Bas Clow to the river number one Palm Beach County Martin County and Martin County Palm Beach County and Water Management District are doing very nice work to restore Wetlands so you have Wetlands that were drained historically right and if a Wetlands drained it's not doing what it does this hold water and perk into the ground that groundw flows as base loow to the river that's that's like where B flow in the river comes from is groundwater so by Palm Beach County hungryland slew right Corbit really cool work um long Hy slooh all these areas they've been going in they've been fixing CS that had eroded away and were just free flowing all that groundwater out so they're doing real work to save water but every report that I think really kind of is worth it salt that's been written since the 70s has said we need water out outside the Basin to meet this dry season base flow issue in the watered because of the amount of development that's going on right so then where do you get that supplemental flow the supplemental flow originally it was going to be in the Rock bits down on the bottom of the map but again Everglades hijacked that from us I'm kind of forever slightly J but now the plan is and this is the surf plan right comprehensive everblades restoration plan locket River restoration plan lock River watered restoration plan is to basically put excess water on Mecha Farms which is the undeveloped segment north of lahache like the acreage and immediately east of JW Corbett so if you know where North County airport is on the map it's on beine highway just kind of out west of the North County airport is the mea property anyone bra such NE on this see I'm good in the watered if this was a global map and like here so actually just a little left out there you go that's Mecca so that rectangle is Mecca the stuff on the East is vus if you've flown into PBI lately vus has gone develop like crazy amount of development like all of that is done it's over it doesn't look green anymore um it is like uh the blood so to speak so Mecha is that rectangle right there it touches a C8 West leg and the idea is to cap and store water in Mecca using uh ASR altern oper storage and Recovery Wells using ASR to store extra water in the ground pull it up have it in the Wetland and then flow it where that water comes from would be the drainage water from Lo Hatchy or the acreage area there they would capture their storm water store it in this Reservoir stored in ASR Wells and then flow it to the river so that generally that's the plan um the BL River wed restoration project that was one of the questions and I'll say that um right the water management is a local sponsor the Army Corps is the federal sponsor um our laed River District's perspective is we are happy this project is moving forward the current restoration project for the river Sur project is different and is scaled back than the original plan which is it is what it is right there was this big Federal effort Water Management everyone worked for years on this plan and then all of a sudden it like went behind the curtain and everyone was like what are we doing and then about 3 years later it emerged as a new plan this plan and it's scaled back without a doubt it is still better than nothing and so I'm I'm very supportive of this the people you want to get someone from Water Management to come and give you a presentation on that that's that's who the experts are um where I relate to this is I like to keep eyes on the integrated delivery schedule the iids they call it it's a key core Water Management document that shows all of the Ser projects timelines when they're when they're anticipating engineering when they're doing construction and completion and and the locket project is on IDs and is a reasonable placing relative to all the stuff so that's kind of what I keep eyes on there um and then there's a question um about potential collaborations and Partnerships I actually want to a video but before I do that um the one ongoing partnership we have is working with um utilities seested utilities right now on interlocal agreement we both are at the whims of Martin County rep replacing a bridge on County l Road the Eastern bridge over the river and so yall have two uh you have a raw water and a a produce water line on that bridge we have a replan water line so we both went to our engineer which was the same kimy horn we both designed what we need to do and then we like are anticipating joining hands on actual construction cuz if we're collaborating on the construction we can like share some cost that otherwise we would both bear independently um we partnered on other utility projects whenever we did the we built sewers in J Colony we basically managed the rehab of the storm water system uh which was jup colonies we also managed the rehab of the toal water system which was the villages in that big project um there's always stuff to do and the key thing right is um figuring out when we're actually being synergistic and we're being more effective and efficient working together and when it's like you know it's just easier and cleaner and smarter to just go this alone and that always come down to what are the specific details of a specific project um I think I'm almost done these are my questions so we'll stop here J can you play that video this video is is not that long if you bed with it we'll stop it but um I think it's a nice clean polished video that U hopefully you'll this was our staff but just the Lo River wed is a big ecosystem all that fresh water makes its way down river through the Cyprus swamps and the mangroves estuar driving places where we see lots of juvenile fish and huge diversity in Wildlife South Florida is really about water it's its biggest asset I think all of us are drawn to water it's really important to make sure that the water bodies are clean that's TR most people think that the storm grins connect to the Sewer which is then treated as Wastewater but in our area that isn't the case storm water drains are there to protect our homes and our businesses from flooding during major storm events but I bet didn't know that our storm drains are actually connected directly to our River well what that means for us is that anything that is in our storm drains goes directly into our Rivers for the most part what goes down the storm drain those inlets that you see near your homes go pretty much directly to surface waters storm water has been identified as the number one contributor to surface water pollution in the country not just some of the issues we're facing now are vegetation removal any type of elicc discharge anything that enters our Canal system that is detrimental to water quality Jones Creek is one of those places here in Jupiter that we're seeing some of these problems more manifest and we want to prevent these types of problems from growing and extending out into other places in the river so in Jones Creek there's toxins a low dissolved oxygen level and now we can't even go there to swim we want to be proactive and take care of our River it's always easier to to remove something or deal with something if you eliminate it as a source you know what's great about living here in South Florida we have all kinds of water e tourism that goes on here people love to travel and the last thing people want to see are any types of elicit discharge any degree the quality of our water directly affects how successful our economy is if we have poor water quality well no one's going to want to go kaying or snorkling or fishing in that water one of the things that we can do is prevent movements and things like that getting into our storms and storm water so there's some things that you can do to help out first I'm going to recommend that if you have to use fertilizer that you use a nitrogen based fertilizer instead of one that's phosphorous Bas if you can eliminate fertilizer all together even better if you have brass clippings bag them up and put them out with a trash and if you're using a landscaper ask them not blow the brass clippings into the storm drain the brass clippings can break down and decompose plus they're carry in all that fertilizer on them as well which we want to prevent from going into the river you can even change your Landscaping using native plants reduces the amount of water that you need to irrigate your wond and you don't need fertilizer because they're from your and they can grow in this climate I would definitely recommend that as well and if you're walking along in your neighborhood and you you got your best friend your dog out uh just make sure that you take that doggy bag home with you and put it in your garbage don't put it down the drink same with cigarette bus and other garbage just take that home with you and put it in your regular garbage [Music] I've lived here in Jupiter and Testa for about 20 years now and when I first moved here I was just in love with all the natural areas that we have here and what a great Community it is I think that the biggest solution to the problem that we have with st run up is actually public education and letting people know what they even do I've been in South IND River for 28 years I have seen many changes in my time here but the one thing that I truly enjoyed was the people that moved out here because they know the environment there are lots and lots of people that are working on the problems and trying to find Solutions our firm has been the district engineer probably for 50 years so we're very familiar with the system out here the structure on Canal 5 serves a purpose of both flood protection and Water Conservation as well as a water quality function the detention allows for the sentiments that are transported in the runoff to settle out so the water that flows over the top of the wear structure is cleaner well these control structures are very beneficial what comes out on the other side is cleaner water that people are able to enjoy want a big part of that and keeping the water so Dober dish drains water from the residential areas in in the northern part of Jupiter and the southern part ofer but the ditch over time has started to deteriorate you can see the banks have slued in sand is is being washed in and running down into the river and causing a lack of clarity and humidity in the river and the habitat that you would see uh under normal circumstances in a part of the EST like really diminish and we're looking to create an enhancement in partnership with the village of Testa and the town of Jupiter instead of just being a straight Channel that's uh more bulkheaded we'll put in a living Shoreline with a Meandering channel that will really create a a habitat here that hasn't existed previously working on a project like this is participating in a community of folks that're all working to enhance and protect River and public education gets to the source letting know what they can do to help to curve the problem with the water quality and our receiving water the lock sat river is the first national wild and Scenic River in Florida and it was designated as a national wild and Scenic River back in 1985 this happened because a lot of people in our community were very passionate about protecting and preserving the locki river that they had grown to love and the river continues to make its way it exits out through Jupiter Inlet that's when it hooks up with our Coral re system those beautiful fish that you see out on our coral reef spend part of their life in an estuary like the L River and so we need to protect the freshwater sources The Saltwater sources and really make sure that our water quality in these estuaries is the best that it can be to support the wildlife of this [Music] so that you guys had asked about Partnerships that's just something that at the staff level we were working on storm water education and obviously lie Village and the work you guys do on storm water so that's that's what I had I'm happy to answer any questions you have I'm good um Dr Arrington um as a graduate of the University of Alabama I'm saddened by the fact that you're no longer there you are you're obviously very uh knowledgeable and enthusiastic about the subject and and your source of income from your employment and I think you'd be in were of great asset for the University of Alabama I do have two questions one is you know you mentioned Hazen and sawer are doing uh you know like an ongoing basis like how to save energy basically um those knowing those effort the result of those efforts in terms of reduction of the kilowatt hours of electricity would help us we don't we don't need to dive into your business but for example if you're kilowatt hours were a th000 in 2020 and now 2021 one based on the thinga jig that Hazen and saw recommended and now it's uh 900 kilowatt hours where that we would be able to report our share of that reduction to the people that we are working with relative to greenhous but the challenge for that to me is whenever it's carbon credits carbon trading greenhouse gas right reduction that's just something that really matters to me and is I think going to be as we look into the next 50 years is going to be a notable um area of growth and not only thinking but they're going to be economic strong economic implications in that area and so my question is why would any other entity want to report on the specific greenhouse gas savings that we've executed that our rapers have paid for because all of those greenhouse gas reductions and savings as we go through and and do right The Ledger book calculations if I count them and you count them and and someone else counts them it's a diminution of the reality and the value of those those should only be counted once they should be logged on a ledger book and then the future value of those should be should be accessible to the people that paid for those and so I actually think that it's inappropriate because it leads to double counting of all the agencies to Pile in and be like hey I say this what do you say let's all report everyone's numbers no just report what you guys actually drive and save so that you have that so that if we do get a point where carbon credit trading is going on and there's value or not or there's legal requirements or ramifications of saving or not saving you got your Ledger book and it is clear and concise what it is that you did and we will maintain our own and it'll be clear and concise what it is that we did and that any of the benefits of those will accre to our pay pairs like the ones you do yours well your logic is correct but the entity that we're working with is only allowing us to get our proportionate share of whatever you may do right but so so when why why do you need specific data saying what another entirely independent organization has done that when you don't have direct control over that organization and you're not paying for those efforts it do a good question it's a good question but that's just the way it's it's set up right so I think though if you say hey wait a minute let's let's monitor like I don't monitor my wife's Fitness because you know she doesn't listen to me and also she doesn't go to the gym so if I'm getting up going to the gym I'm like I'm controlling myself and I'm monitoring those outcomes yeah and so for to Monitor and police other people whom you don't control they could be really more fit than me or less fit than me it's like they're doing their own thing I I would just say that the district has in the past we've done a lot of work on cons on conserving water like actual like all the water recycle and Village Quest and town of Jupiter both have materially benefited in your consumptive use permits by lodging the credits from our redu lber I have no intent on allowing that to happen on the carbon savings so we will monitor our work we'll do good work we'll tell you generally what it is that we're doing but I'm not going to give you those numbers because it doesn't make sense to me why you would report those on your Ledger as it was something that you did because you didn't do it you didn't pay for it you didn't drive the decision you were just ancillary and watched it occur I I I better understand where you're coming from now but the the program that we're operating under it is what it is but right but you can also say hey it to Village the quest is what we are and this is what we're doing and let's like focus on what we're doing that's what we all need to do in we are doing that as well like for example marger is doing a uh an energy reduction thing at the water plant we're going to count that as a greenhouse gas reduction exactly um the other thing is you know we too are doing a vulnerability assessment and we're we're we're not doing the I I think you said the American Waterworks Institute we're we're using the Florida's freebie that they're giving to everybody right now and I don't know if you're eligible for that but that's really not my question my question is our vulnerability study has shown that some of your lift stations are at risk of of rising sea levels and I just wanted to make sure you knew that and that uh you know if you were part of that state program and you may not be but they would pay 50% of whatever You' have to do to make it more uh resilient right so um um sometimes you got to be careful and watch out for free lunches um the Everglades restoration project to me and having worked a lot of my career on that um I was literally in the meeting when it was negotiated between water management and army Corp Engineers that the Army Corps would pay 50% of the price tech to restore the casser river I was like sitting at the table in Jacksonville and it has been surmised by a lot of people a lot smarter than me that florid would have been in better Financial shape to have just gone and done it rather than wait for 50% of the money from the federal government because to meet all of the criteria of the federal government to get their half it more than doubled the cost of the project and so my take is free lunches are many times worth exactly what you pay for them I think the program that we're doing is a sound L it's not to disparage the program that Florida is doing of course um regarding the the susceptibility of lift stations to to flooding so it's it's curious and and certainly a work of March and we'll be curious to get some of the results from her um but if those are driven by you know sunny day flooding right the sea level rise flooding or or combinations um we we have just our own in-house GIS tools where we have gone and looked at different seal projections elevations on Li stations um in a general sense whenever we prioritize risk and things that we're most stressed about and we're not done with this study but at the staff level the flooding on those lift stations has not been at at the level of criticality we're like oh heavens we have to go deal with this just to give you an idea so we all know the beach here right our beaches are Epic so Ranch Colony down kind of near the pier it's like the little you know place where you have people coming in town they have the means to stay there like I would to stay literally hanging over the beach there's a Wastewater pumping station immediately next to that in the Dune on the um Southside if you've ever noticed that that's one of the our Wastewater pumping stations that is the dumbest place in the world for a Wastewater pumping station like just to be B right yeah and so I pay my and they're like listen we all know I'm not an engineer but I'm going to go on limb and tell you this is an ignorant location for a Wastewater Pump Station what do you say we move that on the other side of the burn you know uh um doom and we like deal with it over there and they're like that technically academically yeah we agree like that is not an ideal place but to move that lift station over here let's just throw out number and say it's going to cost $800,000 and they're like can we just remind you when the Cat 5 hurricane is coming that whole Resort shuts down we go over and close the valve turn off the pump station and it's like out of service and so I would tell you that many of the lift stations that you may identify in a preliminary assessment of Jeopardy for flooding um we very likely have thoughts on how we manage through a storm or through a significant flooding event assuming the duration of that flooding event and how we might be able to manage through that all right thank you nothing additional good thank you cool I'll just apologize for talking to you great enjoyed it that was great absolutely thank you I have a question every like all right good job um so there are no stupid questions but this might qualify um is there an end of life to the uh holding ponds uh that's a totally not stupid question that's question so in glacial scales yes but in relevant scales to a utility functioning no um we do maintenance on the Lakes uh we will go through about once every three and that paper that I showed we actually talk about maintenance of the Lakes because it matters so about every 3 to 5 years we will go around the lake with a long track ho and remove any of the excess loral vegetation that's kind of gone beyond where it should be put that in dumpsters and then that goes gets recycled with vegetated waste recycling um and then we've done uh it's funny we have giant alligators in those egg like massive like over ft and we have this little like 8ot dingy that a couple people in with a trolling motor and they've got a star and a GPS and so they'll run a grid and like get like a Seymour chart right for our Lakes so we can look at any buildup of organic matter and are the areas that we need to address so short answer is totally fair question at the scale of the operation of a utility those those Lakes and their lives with reasonable Main far exceed our practical con that raised the question for me too U no questions for you what what are you guys doing with the old bush wildlife area so that's a good question I actually got P that at the gym this morning um so I my standard response is when Bush started you know now 20 something years ago it was they were different times right so it was David hiig and the tool Bel and like hammering na the building like a raccoon cage um and our our thoughts on vulnerability and Jeopardy of the wrong people coming in were really different than they are today so today our thought is really focused on site security and we're we're doing real work on that so how do we want to divide our entire properties like 16 Acres how do we want to divide that into zones that may have different levels of security um safeguards and everyone on our governing board really likes the natural cyer swamp right that the boardwalks in I mean part of our we just approved like a 50-year site plan and in that site plan it was like staff have to save guard the site plan or this this C unless it's like the last possible thing that could be used for utility so board clearly is like we love the natural habit time and nature trail to cyberstone so we don't have intent on developing those but the level of Public Access will be in question today we were doing on-site uh a Wastewater tour another day we may do an on-site birding tour where those are being led by people at the River Center so there's a process and there's a group of people going through looking because there are cool Birds there's all kinds of stuff um but it just being kind of open willy-nilly so to speak the public I think would may be Beyond those days perfect uh my last question I might be stupid this is more of a curiosity though um is there a penalty when you violate the MFL so also not St question I wish there was I like to go and carry that bad and beat people yeah um so the in state the MFL is defined in State Statute and that statute to my knowledge does not carry a a penalty it just says that a recovery plan quote shall expeditiously be implemented and shall expeditiously as in Clos be implemented right legal words around that so the recovery it's been violated since it was defined the recovery plan originally was the LA brck pits which again everbody stole from us again a little bit so the penalty for violating the NFL was to build a recovery plan we built one we invested $300 million in buying a hole in the in the ground to store water to deliver that all Got Hijacked so now we're on you know the next phase that that revise the Lo River restoration plan so I think that uh legal people Water Management would be like no we violate them M we know we need a solution so we're working on the restoration plan all right super thank you thank you very much thank you very much it right keep the public under control all right um okay consent agenda this is uh um approval of the August meeting um agenda minutes sorry minutes yeah I make a motion to approve the minutes on under the consent agenda of of August 14th for approval second all those in favor I I any any Nays right that passes which brings us to the regular agenda old business this is uh these are things that we wanted to get to last week and didn't have the opportunity due to time constraint and I think are we saw a a clock art stuff it's 4:30 but we can we can push through it a little bit if you guys want to good good good um so I was going to with Michelle give a review of the um ribbon cutting that occurred in Jupiter inless Lighthouse outstanding Natural Area um this happened in July of 7 July 17th so Michelle and I went there the mayor was there vice mayor was there um the manager of the OA the outstanding nature um area I don't know if you guys looked through the memo that I sent but it's just kind of a lot of good information I don't know if there's any necessarily any questions from that but it's just uh general information on the OA how is established why it's so important um what I wanted to talk about was uh a request made by Peter dwit who is the manager of the OA um he had asked uh both Michelle and I he might have mentioned it to to the mayor as well I don't I don't recall that but um he's looking for basically uh volunteers for community service hours there this would entail you know cleaning up places picking up litter that's left behind when people um you know hike through the the trails and and whatnot um you know whether that's one person maybe a a class from a school or um you know he was asking us to help facilitate getting the word out to uh to so people know that there's an opportunity there and especially for kids um you know they I think every high school student is required to do community service hours if I'm not mistaken all mine did um so I just wanted to throw that that is the uh the request um by uh by Peter so how do we go about doing that well I would suggest that we uh I mean if Peter has you know bullets or photographs or whatnot that might help this process that would be great but suggest that uh someone get in touch with Lori McWilliams and say would ask her would she uh put something like that on her uh smoke signals newsletter and or on her Friday news whatever they call it alert uh so that people would see that you know you can get some community service hours you can just want to be a volunteer if you just want to be out in nature and help keep it clean contact that number and make arrang social media some blast and post on that yeah Brad I'll Loop you in with with the clerk and get that started because that that's a good story to put out on on social media especially yeah absolutely um that's any questions on the memo that I sent it's just good information um but highly recommend you know maybe when it cools off a little bit to uh to check out that new uh Trail it's it's uh north of bridge um and I think you can park maybe after hours at that bank right there in the corner um that's where I parked where's the entrance right there in that corner yeah the US one and whatever the name of the road is where that bank is at and where they're painting that bank right they uh on the on Bridge Road in us one no no so the the trail goes from Bridge Road all the way up to I don't remember the name of thead Road the North Road where that bank is at I think it's a TD Bank it's TD Bank talking about US1 yes yeah the trail head is right at that corner right there but if you mean where you want to park your car to walk the trail you be you go on you turn on to Beach Road like you're going to the beach and the first driveway you see on your left is a small parking lot about size of this room okay for people that want to hide the trail that's cool but if it's after hours you can park at the bank and that's where the the new Trail um so there were there was existing Trails on that north side of the you said Beach Road that was Bridge Road I'm sorry Beach Road um this is a new Trail the eagle scout um constructed that connects with the existing and uh it was nice it was very nice nice little observation deck out by uh out by the water it's beautiful I tried the other day but the parking lot was full I mean I couldn't in fact they were parking illegally it was so yeah it's a small little parking lot to get all right um that's it uh the next uh item on the agenda under old business if Tom could just give us an idea and now it's been a few months but I'll be short and sweet I mean I I think I shared before all of that what I submitted to them with all of you and um at that meeting I brought up that uh same thing I just mentioned Mr Arrington about the uh U what do you call it the lift stations and the vulnerability assessment and all and they uh I don't remember how they responded if they were going to I think they were going to look into it by talking to staff about it to see the extent of it but anyway uh they were just very thankful for the most part and the only substantive thing Direction wise which we've already taken care of was the mayor with the blessing of the others wanted us to consider having nighttime events or having EAC meetings at night and we talked about that a month or two ago I can't remember which and so I think what we decided on that is to just uh periodically come up with some sort of a program or thing that can be done at night to see if it improves attendance I think that's what my memor is telling me but but overall they were just very thankful and told us to keep up to good work all right um any questions for Tom no next the living Shoreline code update I know we spoke about this gosh I think it was in May yeah I think I presented it to you in June June was it and then I took it to the uh Planning and Zoning Board a few days later they they also you know basically concurred with everything in there um so we got a positive recommendation and I'm taking it to Village Council next month so um hopefully you know fingers crossed um nothing pops up there and it it it gets adopted but uh yeah it's moving forward um if anyone wants to come or if you want to have someone as representative say you know the EAC supports this initiative that it's always helpful um I have a question so I know that when we were discussing this when it was introduced in June if that was the month uh there were a few I don't know not Grammar but words in that were used Disturbed Shoreline did we ever come up with a definition to that so good good question um they there really was not a way to do it that the Planning and Zoning Board asked the same question and we I mean I talked to our building official we couldn't find a way to to even Define that but what we did do is we did kind of heed the advice of this board where we said we said that the building official and myself could let people build a hardened Shoreline if they could prove that their Shoreline was Disturbed we took that out now so that we don't have that staff level approval and it has to just be a zoning variance so now the burden of proof is there's a hardship you have to prove through zoning variance which would be that you'd have to have a you know an engineer prove that your Shoreline is Disturbed and then you'd have to go to our our Planning and Zoning Board and get a zoning variance so that's probably the most restrictive way you could even do it yeah so that always seemed to me like a loophole because I always felt like you could disturb it yourself and then say you have something Disturbed sure yeah yeah and this way I think like I said they'll have to they'll have to basically prove it through an engineer and we can always kind of fact check that um if we need to we can get an independent engineer to to you know review it if we think it doesn't look you know legitimate um but there may be legitimate times when it's needed so there's a path forward to do it but it's not it's not as easy as it was I think when you guys looked at it all right anyone all right next code um Tom can I Tom can I hijack this yeah go ahead so I think we're probably running a little short on time um I've got Steve Parker The Village landscape ape architect who's ready to come to our next meeting and do a more in-depth talk about this so if you're okay with it uh you and him can kind of tag team that discussion at next month's meeting when we got more time I don't need to motion okay oh new business actually it's old business that just we didn't get to um I'm sure every everyone was well aware of what happened what over a week or two ago yeah last two three weeks um so I don't that poor guy who leaked it um doesn't have a job now his gofund means doing is it he's do better off he's pretty good two three times I think 200,000 yeah I think he said he was making like 45,000 and he got like over 200 from the gofund so he's 48 hours he's doing all right um so I think the only I mean other than him leaking that information uh the only real I mean it was just the outcry from sir you know which of course uh I you know it just made made zero sense so I don't know what there is to discuss I think we threw that in right when it happened we were like oh my God this is yeah it's going to be a big thing but I mean as far as I know it's been squashed for now if something pops up in the future I mean you know inter I I saw a potential popup yesterday um that social media site next door which is a lot of cry babies and complainers and people that don't know up from down asking questions but this per person had what appeared to be a fuzzy uh what do you call it uh when take a screenshot of something the of a bill that has been filed in Florida's legislature I couldn't tell whether it was house or Senate where generally allowing for U unsolicited proposals to be legitimized kind of like what we just talked about and uh I it could be a crackpot I don't know but but that's what it appeared to be to me that somebody had filed a bill that would to that would allow what happened behind the scenes to not necessarily be behind the scenes but to be a legitimate thing to do in the future so my understanding is that every 10 years um they being um the hang on for a second while I have brain fog um the people who fund right our state parks you have to explain where the money is going what you're spending it on right so every 10 years maybe is that what you're saying Tom like they have to come up with st I mean granted I mean golf courses come on seriously but they have to allocate where this money is going obviously there are way better choices than what they were discussing um and trying to sneak through I think um but I think every 10 years was my understanding that it has to you know they have to have these discussions and well they figure out where the money is going to be spent well well you know Jonathan Dickinson is a state park yeah and the um so every year they're operating expenses have to be approved by probably FD and their budget is approved by the legislature so maybe they go through a 10-year planning process or something like that maybe but this this thing I saw yesterday it looked like it was the screenshot of the uh one of the two Chambers senate or house that someone had filed a general bill for 2025 for 2025 yeah the legislative session starts January of 2025 wow we'll we'll track that right right now the way the process works there's a process called the unit management plan amendment process and it's like an eight-step process that that the state has to go through to modify any state-owned properties and I think they are on public involvement was step three of of seven so you know they were trying to have that one meeting in Stewart um kind of probably quickly and you know under the radar but there's a whole another level of steps that they were going to have to go through um and even a lot of the state legisl theate the state reps around that represent JD didn't even know about it so a lot of people were taken aback how the process was was going I think it would have gotten derailed no matter what but it just happened to get leaked and it got derailed a lot quicker than it would have eventually and um but we'll we'll monitor that bill yeah we got to watch it because didn't the governor say at the tail end of his TI raid that um uh this may come back I that I don't know we'll see we'll try we just have to watch it we're try all right if there's no more discussion on that let's move on to number eight unfortunately I wish we could have done this after the uh talks from the presentations I'm sorry from uh the folks uh who gave the presentations last month um that way it would have been fresh in our heads but I think everyone here Russ wasn't here no I wasn't here last month you weren't here either okay so the first um the first one is coral reef bleaching we had um what was her name Taylor Tucker from the flota Department of Environmental Protection come in and give presentation on um our Reef system and uh the damage that occurs uh um through core bleaching why it occurs uh and the efforts they're making to remedy the Damage Done to the Le um she had asked for our help and in my mind unless someone else has uh another comment uh is to just get the word out on some of the programs that they run for instance one of them is cfan which is a uh Community Based uh monitoring program um diers that go down they they take pictures or they at least make note of areas of coral that have been damaged including Coral bleaching not just Coral bleaching but um you know if there's damage because someone trying to um anchor up anchor and there's so it's a community service sort of thing and I think in addition to uh um what we'd like to do for galona uh this might just simply fall into that same category I'm not sure if smoke signals I've never seen it on the the text that comes every Friday uh anything with regard to cfan or some of the other prr but what I can do is reach back out to her um get the information that she feels is the most important and pertinent uh to have published um and we can do the same thing yeah I've got a good a suggestion I think is a good idea is to have a maybe a letter or article from the the chair kind of outlining a few things that the committee is working on and so you can kind of mention a few different things um there's another recycling initiative that I want to mention um later the council wants EAC to help a little bit with so could be an opportunity there so you mean for him to to give like the chair's letter to lii thing yeah yeah he he'd have a letter in there I mean we could even put you know a photo of you and you know chair Brad freeze and right because they do that with Council people right a council person usually has an article about whatever um so it's just an opportunity you could give an update on a few different initiatives um and introduce yourself maybe as the new chair um and I could even help coite that Megan I could help you know all the years I was chair um and this is still true today Lori is hungry for environmental stuff that she wants to put on any of her platforms for us she's just waiting to receive stuff from us basically okay that now that sounds great to me um so the direction then would be introduce myself and then are we going to do one of these initiatives uh or I mean it's up to me I guess but what do you guys think I wouldn't overwhelm it top top three at Max you know yep okay that works let's do top three and I will write it do you want everyone's going to want to see it right okay the deadline so that the deadline for the next one is October 15th um so I can I can send to you and then it could be it could be a next month's agenda next month's meeting is October 9th yeah but I think we circumvented the sunshine laot yeah yeah you can s it to that's legal right yeah you can send it to me and then I can circulate a draft that makes it quicker instead of waiting yeah yeah yeah all right so that's what I'll do all right uh Sur um any comments it was interesting that um Dr Arrington had mentioned Ser which makes sense but yeah um any comments with regard to the presentation no I thought it was I thought it was great the uh I I do have a question in the back of my mind is you know when I asked you know where's the water going to come from from the slooh for the loti slooh you know to get to the river um didn't seem like there was a lot of sources of water to me to get so I don't know a little ditch something it it didn't sound like a whole lot of water going to end up in the log sa SLO but we'll see well remember they're building that that one spot he showed they're building a huge Lake there yeah that that will drain out as needed yeah that's true I think the south Florida water guy mentions that same thing as as well but no I thought it was great what he said and the plan the BL you know it may be too complicated to explain that on smoke signals or Friday alerts but maybe maybe it's something that says Ser is underway and here three bullets four bullets says this is the key things that may be of importance to us here in our area yeah yeah I think I hope everyone got the email um the presenters from last month uh sent backup material the presentation as well as in this particular case um the link to the uh core Army Corp the project um you know we could probably include some of those some of that information yeah yeah it's uh a lot of that data is overwhelming to anyone if we can boil it down and just say hey this is underway and this is what might be good for our area or bad if it's something bad if you want some lightamp reading yeah C this link you want entertain yourself go to this link um that kind I'm not going to skip over Jupiter no but I'm going to skip over for now I'm going back to it um the lock Hatchy River environmental control district that was today's presentation um I don't know great you know we asked the questions I don't know if you guys want to discuss anything about it but if not we'll just move on J okay so the Jupiter Naros restoration project um uh Russ are you are you familiar with it at all that's um just north of the bridge there yeah so mean I looked at the at the minutes sort of skinned along but I mean I think we can all remember there's a small little area of tester right in there despite the fact they're called Jupiter and arrows mango violence and stuff mangr Island have deteriorated um did an outstanding job uh presenting um what they have done thus far and what the plan is moving forward to restore the mangr in that area um she had asked uh just recently I got an email I think that was yesterday um asking for a uh EAC letter of recommendation uh for her for two AR um The Village OFA Council has already provided one Palm Beach County Emergency no I'm sorry pal Beach County Environmental Resource Management has provided one and she was hoping that we could put together a letter of endorsement or a letter of support I'm I'm good with it I'm not sure if we can is my my my problem I thought the same thing um since the village of taquesta council's already provided one um are we different well we don't we aren't we a filler for information to the council the council makes the ultimate we're advisory yeah um funnel I guess not I mean could we I'll check with the attorney um I don't I don't see why it would be an issue if he says yeah yeah that's fine but a p pending attorney stuff yeah we do it I'll see if I can get an answer before the end of the meeting okay but I thought that's great but I thought there was something else that she was asking in in the one of the emails I saw and that was something along the lines of there's a FD grant program that's got like a a uh I'm going to fake it like an October 30 deadline yeah and uh she ticks off checks off Mo not check off she checks off most of the uh the boxes that you have to uh fall under to get this Grant from the FD and so she's optimistic that she's has a good chance she knows it's not guaranteed but has a good chance and I thought she said something like she needed the Village Council to designate themselves as the local sponsor for the grand meaning her and her Jupiter narrow group to me it's a no-brainer because the council has already agreed to do that at some point in time uh for example the examples that we gave them at that time as to how it would be used is one it's just letting the bigger agencies that are in that field of environment and so forth know that the local government is happy or glad or that this kind of thing is being done and um but it secondly it's a no cost thing to the Village you're just a sponsor in name that you are okay with what that these people do and that you're you're signing your name to it not for any Financial contribution or anything you're just the sponsor that's all it means so they've already agreed to do that for like Palm Beach County IR for when they have uh uh Mangrove projects or when they have a building islands in the lagoon or whatever it may be they're always going to ask for a local sponsor local sponsor doesn't do anything except maybe write a letter every time every now and then or write a resolution say we support what IR does it's the same kind of thing is the way I see it so the question is we don't meet till what whatever the date is in October for the second uh Wednesday Council meets on second Thursday whatever those days are she's got to turn something in by the end of October for the grant and the question is can we get the village this is my take on what I read can we get the village council's approval for the village to be Aigner or the sponsor of the project for the grant purposes only did I read too much into her email don't Hop's not I'm not yeah so if you look at the uh backup the I did include the CPI Grant which she had mentioned in that email because I had when I spoke to her prior to that email she u i I mentioned it to her I'm like well I was looking up grants and this one certainly tis all the boxes or or at least it appears it does um who's eligible 35 Coastal Comm counties and municipalities within their boundaries that are required to include a coastal element in the comprehensive plan an entity a local government government or eligible applicant I'm not sure what eligible applicant means May submit one application per funding cycle okay so I I'm not absolutely sure how this grant is structured if it's as simple as okay Village of Desta you know we'll sponsor or add you know us as a municipality on the grant with the Jupiter neros um conservation group that would be easy I just don't know if it would be that easy because I I haven't read into this uh this grant I will say however um I'm driving over to the Florida resilience conference tonight and for the next two days and I noticed that one of the talks is not this particular Grant but grants with that uh offer money for resilient uh shorelines resiliency yeah um maybe someone there as I mingle may know a little bit more about this CPI Grant I'll do some more research on it if it's as easy as a signing our name to it and and Village Council has already said they would then it's a no-brainer I just don't know that agreed but you see here's the other thing so they the council meets on Thursday night of this week M so if that would be if pretend like you're Molly young the mayor and you get a request by Jay or the EAC that says hey we really think uh the village ought to sign off as the as a sponsor which means you don't pay a dime for this program this grant program Molly might want if I was Molly I might want to just say hey councel under any other matters just want to make sure you're okay we've got a request to sign off on the Narrows with the Narrows for a grant for the mangroves are you okay with it kind of a thing if that's the case then it's more timely for her to do that tomorrow night than it is in October do everybody we can get a message to saying that we're on board yeah I mean I don't know if they can do that without it being on the agenda and without there being a resolution to I think I think they might have to do it via resolution but I can't hurt if you want to if you want to take a vote I'll I'll pass it on if there's a way to pass it on tomorrow night well well here I guess the underlying problem is is Sue Andor Brad ultimately going to be able to think okay this is a winner for her to apply for I mean it's kind of scary gety right now if if she's reading it right or or if it's 100% a slam dunk that it's valid for her for her to go for um but we you know if if it's invalid well what's the I guess it's okay to seek the approval right now because if it's invalid it doesn't even go anywhere yeah yeah I mean okay so I just saw that other email calling it a signatory partner um that's it yeah so I I would motion well someone maybe could motion so what were you looking for Jay could I mean I I didn't even know about this until just now so I'm in the dark but um I didn't know about it until about an hour before I came here yeah perfect I'm sorry um you could maybe just make a motion to say that that you recommend the Village um Council evaluate whether moving forward as a signatory on that Grant is worthwhile um because of course there could be you know liability right we want to make sure there's no liability or that we're not responsible for something that we don't want to take care of but you could recommend that Village Council explore whether that's worthwhile to to pursue well they've already said they would be a s they would be a sponsor when needed needed for Jupiter Nero's projects for them to accomplish their goal sure to upgrade the mang Ro in concept though right they didn't it wasn't like a blank check right so each one would typically individually come back to them for consideration sure um well when it what anybody got a calendar when is the second Thursday of October it's October October 10th them and October 9th for you guys next month sorry good I'm just worried that that's not if I'm wrong about the due date for the grant then we could be up the creek without paddle I just I think we have a busy Council agenda tomorrow night it's like the it's the end of the the fiscal year so it's a really busy council meeting I I I don't foresee them wanting to take any new action on anything at the last minute so any special meeting meetings on the horizon other than I saw one the day there's probably a workshop that's actually something that we could probably talk about at a workshop a second hey as du guy can I ask you a quick question about Council meetings do you guys typically attend any Council meetings or is there an expectation to attend there's no expect a to attend I had a bad habit of attending but um you know no one's it is educational I've attended a handful of them so you just kind of see what actually goes down but yeah you're not required you can see them on YouTube live oh you can okay gotcha thank you so I guess maybe tell me if this sounds right we make someone makes a motion that says words to the effect that the EAC recommends The Village Council give consideration to being either the sponsor or what was that ver signatory partner or signatory partner for an anticipated Grant the name of which is escaping me at the moment that the Jupiter Narrows group is contemplating applying for so that way if there's a workshop you can get it on if it has to wait till the 11th hour for the council meeting in October y one way or the other is going to get there there's a workshop on September 30th so the maybe maybe we can get it on that yeah that's perfect all right so based on whatever it was I just said I make a motion to that effect I Su it every that's good a you got it Jay you got it got it okay perfect it's called the coastal partnership initiative Grant he didn't say the Grant and the backup does have additional information about it the CPI Awards okay next so this goes right into uh where we at here Lord oh is that Waste Management oh no blue car no where are yeah wa when I go down to the um the uh backup if there's Graphics in it it really screws up the the format on this okay new bit no a blue carbon oh yeah oh man I took a deep dive into uh mangroves and their ability to sequester and store carbon okay I was so excited I said oh I got to make this an agenda item so what kind of interested me was I saw as I was reading through some greenhouse gas and carbon uh papers is that mangroves uh are four times more efficient four times better at Carbon sequestration basically turning carbon in the air and taking it out of the air and 10 times better at Carbon storage according to the NOA as compared to um not jungles but a tree any rainforest oh all right so they're excellent at sequest a and they're excellent at storing the carbon um I'm not going to go into the deep dive on how or why although I might because it is interesting so with a regular Forest um a jungle whatnot um a lot of that carbon is stored in the biomass okay same thing with mangroves but mangroves have roots that go down into a very low oxygen environment soil as compared to uh I just say regular Forest um that carbon goes very deep in that siment as compared to regular Forest uh that carbon is also transformed to bicarbonate chemical reaction and that bicarbonate is washed out to the ocean bicarbonate is good it's a buffer so I'm sure all of you have heard of you know the acidification of of the ocean well buffers um buffer that acidification all right um I I was just blown away at how effective mangroves are for greenhouse gas and carbon um sequestration and storage uh in addition to its ability to add resiliency to our Shor lines um if they're in the right place uh in addition to it being an estuary for you know all sorts of fish and and sea life um and then I started thinking well we're trying to be Tree City USA right um The Mangos qualify as trees how much money does The Village or has the village spent on the becoming this tree City USA estimate you have to spend a certain percentage on your tree canopy per capita a year I don't know the number it's not a huge number but but the village manager does put a certain amount of money in the budget every year for like the the tqu drive tree planting plan there's money in next year's budget I want to say 15,000 it's not a huge number but if you're going in the direction of of trying to do Mangrove plantings um that's a great initiative to start working on for next year's budget if that's where you want to go that's should we work should we work on U oh God you and I talked about it what was it should we try for the uh urban forestry Grant to double that number whatever it may be and I forgot is it November type deadline they've been pying on it they're like six months behind so normally it's November but I think it may not be until the spring but we'll we we'll check up on that yeah and then you know uh you probably already did it but to in your backup for the shoreline protection thing are you saying in there about what he just said about mangr how they're great uh carbon sequestration Vehicles no but I will when I write my staff report so thanks PR um no I just I I was you know especially after uh hearing Sue um in the Jupiter and nrows um that's kind of what they want to do and I and then I started researching mangroves and I'm like this is like an answer to a lot of the things that we talk about I know for Florida in particular our Shoreline and carbon reduction it's a big deal to Questa we we're fortunate enough to have a nice Shoreline you know I don't know if there's what legalities um with regard to planting behind people you know houses or I mean if if you wanted to if we if you wanted to create a program for it we could probably have some seed money for it and actually Grant do the plantings for people that agree to do it behind their seaw wall right so we're actually doing that when we do these tree planting projects throughout the village like an adopt tree program we'll actually pay for the tree and put it on someone's property for them because it's a public good so we could probably create a type of program like that for mangroves where we um you know we say hey we've got x amount of money um5 or $10,000 a year come apply for it and put some mangroves in behind your um seaw wall yeah and uh you know it for all carbon water quality all these things all the benefits for it you can even get the the Jupiter High School environmental Club to come out and plan them for you yeah we could do they know how to do that I've seen I saw a video of them doing it somewhere along the line no that's a great idea and I you know I was kind of brainstorming and I'm like well could they do tax credits for people who go ahead and just put in the uh uh the mangroves um because correct me if I'm wrong according to the new Shoreline um protection um I don't know act or whatever that uh that you're going to go get approval for the only time they're required to put mangroves in is if they're doing construction construction yeah so you have a bunch of people with maybe newer seaw walls and never like their view maybe or or whatever uh you'll never get those people to move forward and putting mangr unless there's some motivation and what better of a motivator than some free that's a great idea and I mean we could probably even try and find some Partners too um what's the group is it main M mang we could probably try and partner with mang or other groups to to to see if we get some people to chip in on it but I love it it's a great idea I reached out to them I'm G to try to get him to come in maybe maybe not um but I we just keep playing phone tag um I don't know it's the co or CEO that um so yeah yeah okay well you know in regard to the the video that aring Dr Arrington showed us at the end was the Dober ditch yeah um could mangroves be you know I I was very surprised about that uh undulating stream that they're building instead of the straight out you think like for example where the water discharges into the loget river um not to block the flow but on either side of the RightWay the constant you could put mangroves there and the other question is at some point the last wear which is a mini Dam basically um that's like a little waterfall that goes over and it'll hold water Eastward of that line until it's rain maybe it's okay to plant mangroves in there all the way to the laachi river because the water will just flow through the mangroves to the river I don't know if they had that kind of component in that project but it it certainly would slow down erosion which is one of the things they showed those problems in that video and this is the reason I handed these out um if you look at the one question that we got on the uh citizen survey um you know what what issues uh will have effect on the village either today or in the future um are there any related issues that concern you Mr or Mrs citizen number one Shoreline protection that's the high okay mangroves provide a level ofine Shoreline protection water pollution something I didn't mention is um mangroves do filter out uh polluted water um so that's number two plastic waste and trash we're going to talk about in a second maybe with uh U the waste management presentation climate change all right so one two and five are covered by one plan I mean I you know sure it's screaming it's screaming something needs to be done I think my opinion can I offer alternative thought to that I think it would help us to prepare for like I'm totally aligned with what you're suggesting here I think there's you know if we can get efficiency in one Focus area that can solve a lot of the things that are problem areas you know that could be really powerful for us I I have a my sister-in-law is a realtor and I you know have some of exposure to some of her colleagues I guess realtor colleagues and I hear often times that when selling a home if there's mangr there it's it's devalued um and it's devalued because of bugs and nooms and you know things that aren't Pleasant to be outside in your backyard enjoy it and so I'm wondering if there's someone an expert who could help us address that issue because it's going to be probably one of the things that pops up and says oh I don't want to I don't want to put those in my backyard um well there could be perhaps an alternative to deal with the the bug problem if that's the main problem the view or blocking the view but maybe there's alternative design things or something that we could insert in addition to you know the focus area all right so that's a great Point um I can call that guy from mang I mean he's an expert at mro you know I would imagine these sort of things have come up and um there was a certified um licensed companies to be able to maintain the main Groves in the state of Florida and the other question would be to roll off of what you're saying wait is the view and you're only allowed to cut them down so so much every year I think it's six inches and what is that cost going to bring homeowners if you put it behind their house because that's an added cost they're not going to want it to take away their view so they're going to you know try and maintain it yeah lower so that's just something else to think no believe and I love main main Gres I think they're phenomenal they're fascinating they change salt water to um fresh water I mean they're just an amazing um and another kind of con I guess would be um you know so we're going to provide money through a grant for people who live on the water true you know I mean it's yeah I would I would ask prepared there there is going to be some push back I would imagine there always is it seems um but I think just the idea is is a valid one and and one that really hits you know a lot of the the things that are most concerning to the citizens here in Tech you're right yeah and just by definition I mean if if Shoreline protection you know is is a number one thing then focus on the shoreline is going to be a priority I mean it's going to the the funds the finances Focus whatever is going to be focused there right cuz we didn't create this list someone else right yeah our citizens created this yeah I mean no doubt the low hanging fruit there is finding areas like you were saying Tom that that uh whatever you want to call that that find areas that aren't behind a a waterfront residential home um where we can perhaps Implement new Mangrove growth that's a low hanging yeah and then and then the ones you know that are behind the brand new homes that they tore down and build a new a new home there's going to be some practical push back to that headwinds to that if we just prepare ourselves and we probably can prepare ourselves for how to address each one of those uh in a practical and safe Environmental Way reasonable my question is is it is that I know the concerns are out there but is that are they real or is it just a fear because for example if you had a seaw wall and you decid decided you're going to plant mangroves in front of it and if you just had a diligent certified Mangrove trimmer come on a regular basis I don't even see the need as to why the mangrove would have to even go above the seaw wall that you have and plus the if your house is level with your seaw wall you are destined for a flood so but usually they're up higher looking down at the water so to me it I know they feel that way or they don't like that we have many cases in Florida people failing to properly trim and trim and maintain their mangr but is the the blocked view really is it real or is it just fear I don't know what the Yeah I think one of the questions that I would ask an expert on mangroves is What's the allowable trim height because maybe it's high enough where yes it does block I don't know that answer either but that would be the only scenario that I can think of that they just aren't allowed to cut them that short because it hurts the plan or and it can't Thrive as well I I don't know yeah I'll tell you there's a couple of of I know it has also something to do with the girth of the mangrove itself so for example there's some waterfront properties that the prior home home owners didn't maintain and there are some scenarios where a mangrove got so mature that now it's prohibited from being trimmed back and that ruins that Waterfront lot in terms of view in terms of that so while there's a couple of houses that I know of that are along long river where they didn't maintain the mangroves and now there is a pretty substantial Mangrove tree that cannot be trimmed back because it's exceeded the level of girth that's allowed it and and now yeah I mean nobody wants to be in their multi-million dollar home and just staring at a big green thing they want the beautiful sunrise or Sunset and look out of the water so yeah that is a concern there are some lots that definitely get devalued because they uh you know don't have as much of a desirable view in the backyard I think there's a rule something no I'm sorry I think there's a rule that says if you've got an established patch of mangroves and you know they're going to grow over time that you can only remove 33% of it like that you know so you don't kill it I mean you can trim it but there's limits on yes what and there's something about once it achieves a x girth it no longer can be be trimmed back think have you can you can carve out a window then to look through them no longer looking over them if if they're reach that size and I think if we get an expert to come out we can kind of figure out ways to sell to the public because we don't you don't have to line your whole property with mangr right we could probably create a program where it's like hey if you have 100 ft of of water foot Frontage you know put put a little strip of 20 ft of mangroves and that's still better than nothing right so if anything it could be a little border from your neighbor or you know yeah all right I'm going to reach out to this guy from M and I'll try to get him in here next year next month um anything else on my that project mangr no you're right on target though I don't know where everyone is on time I I do personally have a 445 I have to make but okay um then real quick follow-up discussion on Waste Management presentation I I put this in here with the link to um uh the presentation that was given by J yeah and um one of the things he said during that presentation that me away and I actually asked him you know about it dur you know during the Q&A is he said that a single stream recycle program and this is their numbers uh collects 30% almost a third more recyclable material as compared to a double stream which means the blue and the red containers um I totally agree with that or believe it those yeah I mean those were his they Stuart does it and he just compared it you know Stuart to you know places that that don't have that single stream recycling so and I know Jeremy had once said that we're kind of on a road map to getting a single stream recycling yeah I think we're just getting them where it all goes in one wait we're getting a new trash can yes I don't know if that's a new recycle okay I'm um I would like to put this more in the Forefront um it seemed also that he said and correct me if I'm wrong um the uh vehicle that's used to collect from a single stream recycling bin is much easier uh more cost effective than the current way they're doing it yeah because you you've got the autom thing that grabs it and and puts it in the truck as opposed to I mean what I see out there the guy gets out and dumps it manually well what I remember him saying too is is that if one gets filled before that truck has to go back unload even though the other one still had ample capacity to be filled but once it kind of eliminates that factor so it it it makes sense to me if taquesta is kind of on a road map to getting this single stream recycling is there a way to make that happen quicker well the pro the problem is that yes single stream definitely seems to be and probably is more efficient and effective relative to actual recycling production but what another thing that Jeff said though is they once those trucks are filled they have to take it to the solid way Solid Waste Authority for process and they're dual stream they're not single string so that's that's the giant place where the conveyor belts are going here's the paper conveyor belt here's the blue bin they're trying to change it to and if that doesn't change and they won't accept now maybe there could be an arrangement I'm not sure I'm just throwing it out maybe there's an arrangement where instead of taquesta recycling being sent to swa on 45th Street why not send it to wherever they take stuff in Martin County which may in fact be single stream collection at their treatment plant for recy I mean he's they're based in Hound so they're in Martin County W uh WM Waste Management so maybe there's a inroad I don't I don't know but I think until you get SWA Palm Beach County to change the way they they make it happen uh you're stuck I think on the CLI yeah see goad wait that's okay sorry I I was just going to just throw a thought here and it it seems like some the challenge is sorting right sorting between cardboard and metal and paper and glass and uh all of that stuff right so somebody's got to sort it if if consumers sort it uh you know citizens sort of then you're going to get 30% less because people don't want to have multiple cans in their kitchen or whatever you know to be able to do that on on the spot so if you have a single source and then it has to be done at the processing center and what you're saying is probably accurate right they haven't evolved to that point yet uh to be able to do that so like how do we how do we end up addressing that and figuring out what where is the choke point in this whole thing U because we want to recycle I think that's the environmental right thing to do uh we want to increase our contribution of that and how do we do that in a way that we can perhaps accelerate the plan and maybe it's maybe it is dependent upon new processing uh equipment at the at the site where they dump it I guess it is or dispose of it or maybe there's some other alternative well if they're currently doing it in Martin County and I I sort of remember him saying Stewart so I'll just go with that um got to believe they have um a sorting mechanism for a single stream Source yeah that what why it's all under WM right but do they operate County to County separately or how does that well W keep in mind in this part of Florida waste management doesn't do uh they don't run any what do you call them uh landfills uh they're just the service provider for collection okay now they do in other places in the United States uh they they are they operate landfills they operate processing plants like Page County Solid Waste Authority but they don't do it here MH um so I mean you're you're basically stuck with whoever you're supposed to send your supply of recycling to what do they use they have dual stream so you got to be dual stream but if Martin County if Stuart's part of Martin County and they're not big enough to have their own processing plant so they're probably processing with Martin County Solid Waste Authority and so if they're able to have single stream collection in steart that tells me that the processor Martin County Solid Waste Authority is single no and so then it's it's theoretically possible by killing your contract with Palm Beach County Solid Waste Authority and adding your contract to Martin County Solid Waste Authority then you would be then Waste Management could collect and take it to Martin County instead of collect and take to Palm Beach county is it part of the Questa in Martin County yes well un not yeah for mailing purposes yeah and address names and so but for corporate limits no so it's it's an interesting he also said another thing that got my eye he he says he he was gun ho about we will help you in terms of getting facilities on uh uh commercial properties to fac facilitate the business owners Recycling and that's the first time I've ever heard him say that and I've known him for 40 years so that that sounded great now I just like to find out okay let's how do we do it kind of thing you know would it be worthwhile to have him come in or would he even come in again that's it's only been a few months yeah probably not two months ago all right so the question like what you had just said MH um you want to just collect the questions collect the requests and we can just send it to him via email sure and let him respond and then maybe we you know come back next month and it's an agenda item based on his responses sounds I've noticed that we now have two trucks coming one for the blue bin and one for the yellow have you noticed that no I didn't see I have I've noticed so I mean it just seems like got since since we're all going to be going to the automated pickup of trash come October you know the way it stands now the the the the men that pick up yard waste and the guys and gals that pick up recycling so they're still doing it the oldfashioned way you physically doing that so it seems to me it's a matter of time for before all of it ends up being automated somehow some way yes question is when yeah all right yeah if you need to go go uh the last thing right here is um I'm going to this port of resilience conference yeah no no problem um I didn't know if anyone had an opportunity to look at this it is uh reference here in backup but uh if I'm going there I want to go to sessions that are uh you know of Interest or pertinent to this committee um I'd also asked uh Jay um with regard to uh staff input uh in the various um various talks and presentations I have checked mine that I would like to go to I just wanted to know if anyone here had something of special interest that I should attend and report back what is that this is a yeah I want to refresh my memory here wait beneath springs near napl it's actually started I'm sure you well it says smart planning Beach management energy and infrastructure um oh here we go here we make sure you're right on the right day because I'm going to be there today keep going to my more resilient Florida would be good all right guys I'm going to have to excuse myself cocktail reception I did check that that's all right thanks Jo yeah thank you guys bye Jill bye guys see you bye Jay did you have things the village manager I both looked at them and like everything looks interesting like we couldn't pair it down priority that's fine that's fine so that's on the so we no oh you're going there tonight okay yeah so I'll be there Thursday and Friday oh let me look at Thursday I'm still stuck on Wednesday so there's four tracks there's smart planning Beach management uh energy and infrastructure and in each one of those tracks there's you know various uh presentations or sections that relate to The Four Track I mean the only thing is like the county is mostly responsible for beach renourishment and all that stuff so if there's if there's ever an item where it's like beach re nourishment or like you know mitigation a future flooding is one you know something like that might take priority to of our beach resiliency since we don't really even have any control over our our beaches right yep understood yeah that beach I can see that there's an old Perpetual yeah that's not going to ever really be part of what we do yeah I mean here's here's a hybrid living shorelines in South Florida that looks good yeah where what um what time in day sorry Thursday at 9:20 yep that's one I've I've checked Thursday at 920 D2 oh there it is yeah yep Inlet impacts cumulative tracking maybe resilience funding on 8 8:30 in the morning I don't know that would be helpful yeah um what's what's HMA stand for HMA grants yeah I looked that up um Hazard mitigation yeah Hazard mation okay well I have to check that one as well cumulative substantial tracking you know in general I would say anything that might help you with Shoreline Shoreline protection that's not Beach cor right and anything that might result in uh better information or uh ways to uh address greenhouse gas reductions weit anything yeah nothing all right specific this kind of gives me a general direction I'll kind of stay away from the beach um track okay well if there is nothing else um let me uh get a motion motion to adjourn yeah I move uh I make a motion that we adjourn can you do a second sorry all in favor signify by saying I amen all right how did you keep these things so short uh I had boring subjects to deal with but like the comprehensive plan you know