uh good afternoon welcome to the Westport Board of Health uh April 29th 2024 meeting which I am calling to order um under Mass General Law chapter 30A section 20f this meeting is being recorded and please join me for the pl of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you uh so uh first order of business just before we get to um public health nurse is um since we've had an election um is a board reorganization um I'm happy to continue as chair but also also happy to turn it over the hot seat over to anybody else who to be chair so um how you like to proceed I'm happy with your being chair I am too okay so I move that um we continue on as we are with Tanya Ryden as chair Phil Weinberg as Vice chair and myself as secretary second um any discussion see n um all in favor hi that's unanimous thank you everybody and I think we make a great team we all pitch in and uh look forward to hearing things that are people are working on a little later in the agenda but for now we're going to turn over to um Linda Pierce Our Town nurse to discuss the topic of stress good afternoon all um April is recognized as National stress this month bring attention to the negative impact of stress managing stress is an essential component of a healthy lifestyle knowing how to manage stress can improve mental and physical well-being as well as minimizing health issues stress is unavoidable now more than ever it's important to understand stress and how we can manage it while stress can be beneficial too much of it will be harmful when the body senses a threat or sensor it goes on high alert and once the threat passes the body quickly recovers at least that's the way it's supposed to work stresses can include Health matters work money family issues racism gender inequality and regular daily hasss when unrelenting are too many stresses your body might be on constant state of high alert leading to poor concentration bad moods professional burnout mental and physical health problems when stress becomes chronic the body cannot return to normal function chronic stress can be linked with health diseases such as hot disease high blood pressure diabetes depression and anxiety recognize and C signs of stress your body sends out signals that may say I'm stressed always listen to your body it can include a headache cold hands tight muscles a nervous stomach clinched teeth feeling on edge fidgety irritable all withdrawn take time for yourself self-care it's not selfish or indulgent prioritize do something you enjoy do a relaxation technique like meditation read a book or listen to some music remember you come first when whatever you're stressing about has your name on it you will accomplish it in a timely manner focus on the positive rather than the negative stay connected and make new friends stay in touch with family and old friends and have yourself a good relaxing time change the way you think by refraining Pleasant views having a person you can talk to will reduce anger and reassuring and calming seek help with problems and resources for tips and information it's never too late to change sometimes there a better way to build a mouse strap and we all do go through stress and sometimes it's unavoidable but it's by the way that that we deal with it and you can either keep letting it eat inside you or you can say you know what take a breath it'll get done and I'm a firm believer in good good breathing in through the mouth and out in through the nose and out through the mouth anyway our next uh blood drive which will be at St John's basement is on May 16th and you must go online to register the American Red class for an appointment and anybody have any questions uh I'll just say that having the nice warm weather today was definitely a de-stressor absolutely but there was a big big um bee out there that was buzzing around I'm like I'm going to avoid you you know the flowers look beautiful and you know we we had a little bit of rain so then we this morning it's a little bombie out there but I'll take bomie over all that rain and that discomfort thank you thank you very much Lind I appreciate it and there's also a lot of research about nature being out in nature and decreasing stress so thank you great thank you okay moving on um we'll go to um Matt's uh written report uh have that in your packets uh any questions on that I have none um verbal update please so Lindon just mentioned the blood drive and I'll just say that we're having rabes clinic on May 4th from 9 to 12 behind the uh Westport pbridge fire station it's free to uh Westport residents and $15 for non-residents um so please you know take advantage of the clinic and uh get your pets uh vaccinated against rabies do you have enough help yes y okay uh we're using something different in the brand people down so okay will be there yeah cats dogs how about ferrets yeah yeah I think it's cats dogs and ferrets yeah okay okay um and we have a director approv plan 7 17 Courtney Drive yep 17 Courtney Drive for Warren Messier on a 6,078 ft lot it's new construction four bedrooms us utilizing a single air and a stone bed and it's just uh I got a note here it's pending conon review that's a DN 960 I presume yes okay so it just needs a conditional on conom approval I think and the you go two times per year total nitrogen testing entertain a motion I move that we uh endorse the director approved plan for 17 Court New Drive new construction uh pending concom review second uh all in favor I minutes I'm sorry yes two yeah because it's new construction it's automatic two times per year for least two years thank you Bob uh okay moving on to the April 17th 2024 minutes um Phil was absent so it'll be up to Donna and myself uh any concerns I had no concerns or no changes so I will move that we approve the minutes for April 17th 2024 and I will second that all in favor I I uh two with one abstention um thank you um we postpone the minutes uh from April 1st last time um because those were ones that U there was I was the only one present um who had been at that meeting so we'll um we missed them this time we'll put them on the agenda for the next meeting okay moving on to other business um first off is uh request from spindle Rock Beach Club I'll turn it over to Matt yeah sure so they've um tried and clean test the required time period and um they're asking to go from weekly to monthly testing uh and then need board approval to do that and there's no issues there no issues any questions otherwise I'll take a motion I move that we approve the application for extension of sampling variants uh from Massachusetts tier 3 Beach to uh once uh from once a month testing uh this is for spin Rock Beach Club okay is it spin yeah second motion made and seconded all in favor I I that's unanimous thank you so that goes through 2028 for four years uh next is a request from Charles Baron um to um request a one-year extension for installation of SE um repair at um I will have the address in a second uh 9 Lawrence Avenue questions about that what kind of system is it uh as I recall is a regular it's just a replacement so it's not a d night right yeah it's um just an upgrade without an increase in flow um so they wouldn't um they fall into the category where they don't need D9 okay so I move to improve the request for an extension um on the installation of a replacement system um at 97 I second motion made and seconded all in favor I I that's unanimous thank you um so next on the agenda um was um um proposal to schedule a working meeting um uh I have my notebook I don't remember there are a bunch of things we need to catch up on um well regulations um how to manage tight tanks at East Beach um transport station stuff um so a lot of things going on um so the trying to shoehorn Something in um between U meeting weeks um we I have a tenative proposal of May 9th in the morning um if that is convenient for that works for me that's okay okay so 10:00 is that how's that for you mat May 9th what day is that on it's a Thursday yeah that works at 10: a.m. 10 a and um we'll just kind of four around some kind of agenda as we get closer yeah okay yeah um I know well RS was one of them sort of updating like we need to get back on track with that um tit tank uh abandon tight tank status um I can't remember what else we to talk about um any other topics you want to put on the agenda um if you're thinking of them now I can mention them otherwise just feed them to mat yeah well because it's a relatively short time PR releas your meet you have to go back and think about I know we have to sort of refresh it you know and we're I'll be on vacation next week so we've all been away and kind of out of circulation so we need to sort of circle back um so just forward that stuff to to Matt The Well RS will will take a little bit so yeah we're not ready for anything it's just sort of let's touch Bas in and kind of develop we're plan to move it forward because it's sort of you know there a lot of things that have been happening sewer and all that kind of stuff and right um that will be after town meeting so there may be some you know I don't know uh impact on our work somehow um so can look at that um okay so may night um 10:00 a.m. we'll schedule the working meeting um board member updates I have a couple I went I attended the Massachusetts Association of Health boards program on Saturday which was very informative and I spoke to Matt about um one of the two well actually two issues that came up and one of them was the problem in Plymouth which I was very unaware of um they're having difficulty there's a I guess a nuclear power plant that no longer exists and they're trying to figure out how to directly deal with some of the issues um with getting rid of the nuclear waste which is really not that far from us no and one of the um choices of the company was to dump the nuclear waste into the ocean which got stopped um but so I I the reason why I'm bringing it up is Plymouth is not that far away and we share the same Waters and the same air um and one of the ways they're getting rid of the new nuclear um the water that cooled the um uh the rods they're they're just letting it um evaporate into the air so um I it I just found it very interesting there was a discussion people were trying to help them figure out what kind of um uh things that they could do to tackle this problem but and the reason why I'm bringing up is it's not that far from us so I think that people are not aware of some of the other issues that some of the other boards of Health are really having to tackle and deal with it's very very difficult but it was um very informative and I'm glad I went and the other thing is um May starts on Wednesday uh the beginning of mental health awareness month and there are um three programs open to the community um I will be posting they're posted in some places around town into the library um uh Partners Le and in the town hall and the town hall Annex um the different programs that are going to occur um the first one is the power of self-compassion and that's on May 11th at the library at 10:30 which I will be doing um the next one is on the 14th at the middle high school it's called increased positive interactions and emotional well-being family communication and it's being presented by a social worker who is in private practice her name is Megan O'Brien she's also a West support resident and the um two of the school adjustment councils will be available to answer questions at the end and then the third one is on May 22nd and it is um called the impact of opioid Addiction on individuals families and communities of Public Health crisis um and there are a number of speakers and one of them happens to be a mother who lives in Westport who lost one her first Sons to opiate overdose so um I encourage everyone to um to come um to these programs especially the um uh this one on opioid addiction we have uh a lot of resource tables that will be available and people from um the uh community that have information that could be helpful um to people in the town of Westport great thank you very much you're welcome um well this just occurred to me because um earlier today I got a email from uh kind of through other folks in town I think who and that the U one of the big offshore win projects is having a Outreach uh to I think it's just a general public Outreach session and they were circulating um available uh what are they you multiple dates of possibilities and then trying to select out of those based on um how many people could come on a particular day at a particular time and I don't know anything more about it but um I could forward that to you if you're kind of interested because I don't uh I'm not quite sure how I got on that list but I thought it' be interesting um because I think we've read about some of the issues in the shorelines people have concerns about um you know impacts I think primarily from the cable but then also the broader impacts of wind farms so uh if you're interested um or I'll pass it good to Share info okay um thank you um I hope you had a wonderful vation I did have an Excell vacation and my stress levels were very low because weather was beautiful oh great and uh just the whole cultural setting is quite beautiful where Portugal ah wonderful uh my brother just and his family just were just there um okay so uh people who get sh lines will notice we had a column on past last week um um and um the column with the information about Mental Health Awareness Month hopefully is in this he sent me an email this morning morning and said he doesn't see a reason why it wouldn't but if it's not in this coming week it'll be in the next week okay um and then lastly I just want to remind folks um because uh um we are scheduled to come back from our vacation the day of town meeting um oh boy uh so I'm just putting on notice in case we're late um the three articles that we um sponsor um article 12 is bundled with all of the um other revolving funds that's the vaccine account I don't think there'll be any issues and we don't have to speak to that um because it's all bundled together article 22 is the one about removing the nitrogen reducing systems for the 1% Loan program um I have requested um and Steve Forest has agreed to put up a slide it just says to remove the language from article what we passed an Article 28 in 2021 but people don't see the whole thing so I gave them the language of the article from 2021 with the strikeout language so he's going to put that in um as the second slide after the first motion you know so um I can speak to that briefly uh I can do that if I'm there but just in case we'll ask U Phil maybe you could be the backup in case I mean it's basically pretty we all know straightforward is just removing that um language to allow the this low um for low and moderate income residents to use that program for um septic repairs that don't necessarily involve dite um and article 23 is the transfer station Reserve um request for 29,000 for two rolloff containers um as people have been noticing the Plastics dumpster gets full very fast um no we need another one cardboard as well and cardboard okay um so should be straightforward that comes from receipts Reserve um the TIC the warrant has is with the final motions is circulating um so and Matt will be there in case there are any technical questions but um so that's that's that's the lineup for for the um town meeting um lots of I mean there's there's of course lots of interesting stuff the sewer stuff related articles which I know they're proposing to try again at a lower amount um short-term rentals which we're no longer um involved in so um zoning to there yeah cutting back on the zoning proposals passing over yeah so so I encourage people to go to town meeting at the new Middle High School Tuesday May 7th 7 p.m. um um I am continuing to do um work with a group who's trying to get move uh forward on um a conservation green burial Green Cemetery um in the South Coast um so I'll share more when I know more on that um there's a role for the board help to play at some point but we're not there yet and that was on the program agenda but they didn't that person didn't speak about it that person wasn't there yeah I'm going to a a mass health Officers Association meeting about it on May 16th um and um there was just a couple of um programs at the Grange in the last few weeks um about green burial um and natural death care so we're just starting to get out and there's definitely a a Cadre people who are interested in um more environmentally friendly end of life death um um management it's not the right word but you know what I mean uh okay we have a few minutes anything else any other topics um anything we can discuss can we do the Civ analysis yeah the uh that's just the anticipated one yeah yeah um so that is is a request from cadu LLC Robert Chase for 169 gford Road Four bedroomroom repair with the ark 36 the engineer is JC engineering on a 4,60 ft lot um and they needed to do a SI analysis I'm going to turn it over to Matt for it pretty for it was fine okay there's um the SI analysis was good the plan is fine so okay so I just need a motion to accept s analysis okay so I move that we accept the S analysis on 169 gford Road owned by Robert Chase I'll second that okay oh you have any questions no no no no I was just speaking over you when you were seconded okay so motion made and seconded um all in favor I that's unanimous okay um okay I just had a um actually kind of a question for Matt because there's a a matter that's coming up in front of the Conservation Commission which actually um kind of parallels um a matter that we have coming before us tonight in terms of um somebody um erecting you know a structure that's going to have um a bathroom in it and um and I'm and it relates to um the kind of deed restriction aspect of it um and I was just wondering whether the our authority to um issue or to require deed restrictions is something that just came out of a policy or is that something in writing because I I know we've been doing it for a long time but I just um uh because this is a particularly kind of large structure and there's just no concern about it um and uh I just didn't know what our back what the background was to it it was always in place when I started what in Title Five I believe right it mentions deed restriction in the um in the full calculation section right right when you have a certain you have to design it for three but if you go to two you have to deed restrict it right so it comes into play there and then um we de restrict them obviously if we don't have enough land to support the bedrooms umly I'm not sure I have to look through and see what section that's in but the deed restriction language is in Title 5 right yeah we also have deed restriction language in our um max compliance policy right right yeah yeah that yeah yeah I mean that okay yeah that's all yeah I forgot about the P five piece of it and I know I I think it's been a longstanding practice I just didn't know I don't remember you like being in our septic regulations that there's a reference to it you know what I mean in terms of um you know the board May impose a d restriction you know the size of the lot doesn't conformed to the number of bedrooms right and it um uh with title five right voting limitations is only part of new construction or an increase in flow right right so they want us to deep restricted if the watch's small so they can't just have another bedroom it wouldn't meet the nitrogenations yeah I think the logic the logic is there I think this is a situation where um the Conservation Commission Maybe more predisposed to having the matter come before us on the approval to um either update or add a new um source of flow to it you know kind of just a repair basically or an upgrade however how you characterize it and I think under the circumstances we would say yes but there's going to be a deep restriction because um as a way of preventing the structure from being converted to a a bedroom um and I didn't know if that was something that for example the Conservation Commission you do all its own uh or whether it was something that we had established by policy yeah I just going to say I did look at our final setic regulation we do have a deed restriction may be required which will need normalization according at the new bed registry of deeds for setic system repairs that require drinking water set okay yeah for that yeah right right okay well so that's speciic example I I haven't looked through everything else but I'm assuming okay well that's good um thank you yep um you know I'm thinking uh if Hong Kong could do because do they do approvals condition upon Board of Health approval so they could do a condition upon Board of Health approval and and board Health requirement of bed deep deep restriction if you don't ask a legal Authority right right right which is generally their pattern um uh and uh that might happen but I think that there's a sense that they rather see it in place formally before taking action so I don't know we'll see I don't know you know okay let okay we are close enough to 4:30 and I believe Mr wise yes um is here um and as is his engineer Len Potter and this is a discussion um for seven Winward way regarding the building of a garage with storage space yes good afternoon good afternoon so tell us your story uh well we've built we have built a twostory garage with storage space and an exercise room on the second floor above it and I can plan and some photographs that's that's the garage it's about 100 ft away from the house and I began by thinking that uh I really wanted a um uh excuse me utility sink uh which meant water so we have already brought water to the building um and then with my exercise room on the second floor above the garage um I wanted to have a bathroom a toilet that I could use for in the middle of a workout and um Mr Potter suggested that we could put a septic tank just outside the garage and connect it to the existing septic system system which is a five bedroom system five bedroom system down the slope from the uh from the garage this this this Photograph uh the one at the bottom uh is looking up from the leaching field back up toward the back up toward the [Applause] garage and then at [Music] this is a this is not a an official site plan but I am an architect and i' I've laid it out so here's the existing house there are three bedrooms in this part and this is the apartment that has two bedrooms in it there's a septic tank for this here and a septic tank for this here and they lead over to the leeching field which is over here and we're proposing just to put a septic tank here and connect it to the dbox and into the existing leaching field we it's not our intention to have a bedroom in that space it's a it's a storage space in an exercise room um and uh if you felt so strongly that they could be bedrooms uh I could argue uh from a code point of view that one the exercise room uh couldn't be a bedroom couldn't qualify under the code as a bedroom because it's actually has a door leading from it directly into the garage at the bottom of the there the building code doesn't allow a garage to open directly into a bedroom as for the storage room if I had thought there might be an issue about it being considered a bedroom um I could change one of the windows so that there would not be a legal egress window and it couldn't be counted as a bedroom but anyway so could they be used as bedrooms I suppose they could but that's not our intent M okay great thank you um Mr pter do you have anything to add no I asked I asked Mr Wise from day one what is going to be up above the garage and he said it was a exercise room in storage and uh I said well that should be okay no kitchen and uh not not a bedroom he's got a five bedroom system so I I don't see any reason at all why you can't tie that bathroom into the into that system I don't you don't rent out the other side do you what's that you don't rent out the equirement oh it is rented out it is rent it is rented out yeah okay one of the things that I'm um need clarification on according to this it's a three-bedroom home so is there documentation about the addition of the two that I don't have it's that documentation is just wrong um there are other other places where it's shown as a five house original original read the sub in the file show it to be a duplex yeah five five five bedrooms but I don't know why the assesses card is not not up to date that means you're not being assessed on five bedrooms we can take your okay um let me turn over to mat so just to be clear I don't know sure it's going to mean anything or not but we don't follow the building code in terms of definition of bedrooms we follow title five's definition which is nothing like building codes definition so they're quite different um uh with that so um yeah I just wanted to make make that point clear on that um okay I'll open it up to the board for discussion do we know how the property is deed is it deed as a five bedroom I didn't go to the registry these because our files have as a five wouldn't put that in the deed it's uh 1.8 Acres yeah it come comes out to exactly 880,000 Square ft which I think is the is the requirement for single family residence see Tes right out yes you can you see that that's it thank you um so uh no go ahead I mean go ahead oh no no I I um well this circles back to the conversation that we were having which is I think that the most efficient way if we were concerned that um if not you that someone in the future would want to convert that structure to a bedroom that we would put a peed restriction we require ask you to submit a deed restriction for five bedrooms um so that which could be you know which would then in the event the property was transferred in the future anyone would know okay this is this property is limited to five bedrooms they can come in and request to add a bedroom in which case they would have to modify their septic system yeah that that makes sense yes yeah so it's just kind of a way that we um you know kind of put people on notice as you know to the basis upon which we were approving this structure not to be an additional bedroom and so people doing due diligence they would know that and that's you know not so much for thinking you're going to change your mind but somebody in future someone would say oh this is really nice I'd like to buy this property and then I'll you know make this an accessory home or something you know an accessory apartment and say you don't problem with that but you have to address a SE system issue we we firmly believe that the existing house and the apartment were both originally chicken coops that's that's and we believe they came home to roost we we firmly believe that anybody who bought that property which is a beautiful piece of property would tear the house down and build another house setic system in the whole nine yards right right but so you know a deed restriction um is that something that we would write and file with a yeah there's a there's a format there's a simple template and um and we would approve this you know condition condition upon your filing a deed restriction and um when we got that it would you know then receive from there pling that we need to do y you would be giving up your right to have six BS but if you comply you have to expand the system and comply to the health regulations of the state and the town at that point in time you came if someone wanted to make an accessory apartment yeah that's what FS understand understand we want to match the design FL of the system with the number of bedrooms that's kind of our responsibility so this is a way of you know not going around and having to check how many windows and erress just say okay you know it's on the record and everyone should know quickly so if anyone wanted to do that they'd have to remove the deed restrict ask the board all remove the deed restriction and you'd have to comply with um the auxiliary Apartment A CER apartment whatever was in effect at that time right you know going you know you would have to you have to do that yeah so that would be my recommendation that we should approve the subject to a five bedroomroom decription okay no agree with that yeah I was originally thinking you know know if there's going to be increased flow not from bedroom but you know increased usage um you know encourage voluntary upgrade for dite but given the there's you know the deed restriction provides that kind of protection so that should there be yeah I mean that and as I said in my letter that the flow won't increase there's still only four people living on the property so in five bedrooms so the same if you ran back to the house use the bathroom to same floor yeah you have to run f okay um Matt go ahead just say we were a little behind aall on this review because we never received the uh anything from the building department so we were kind of caught off guard when we would call and asking about it we didn't have it so and um the other thing supposed to we're supposed to have and the other thing is um you're putting a tank in now you're saying so that'll be more than 50 ft away from the um well yes okay yeah okay well you would be submitting a I have submitted a plan you had seen that okay um you put the plan I submitted it's not in the packet so I didn't think that you submitted one yet no I submitted the plan then then you denied it okay you questioned it okay so it's going to be up there somewhere yeah I didn't deny it I think I just we questioned it for the discussion yeah I say deny it but yeah all right um we we didn't get that in our packet okay um so so do we vote on it because it was a discussion um until we see the plan or until you approve yeah so the the plan will be director approved and I'll go up and finish the review on it but assuming everything is all right it'll just be direct approved and be on my list for the next meeting okay um which means it's informally approved already and we're with the understanding that our V our formal vote will be with the five-bedroom deed restriction yes all right and and we'll go ahead and get the the deed restriction f well they'll make it up for you oh they'll make it up I don't know yeah we do we make it up and I we give it to you and you just have to have to go file it at the registry adids and then bring us back a copy okay that's fine okay good all right thank you very much thanks for coming in okay um next I'm calling the 440 um hearing for 24 David Road um uh property owner is Barbara Fontaine is a three-bedroom repair with a Stone bed um and it requires a local upgrade approval for well distance is that right Mr Potter okay um one Potter here for bar Fon at hour uh try to to repair the existing subject system at 24 road I was went out there did a pro test and designed this stolen pipe uh sub system but the best I can do is it's 78 ft from the well I've shown the existing field with the ACT through it and that was uh upgraded maybe 15 years ago or so and the reason it was 51 ft from the well originally and that's because there's a home to the um East between this property and the river and the well used to be right up in that northwest corner of that lot but they drilled the new well down by the river and move that septic system up into the area that I'm showing here for 34 David road so that allowed me to move this system closer to the east property Eastern property line and come up with this scenario uh the Subic tank is a 1500g tank and that's okay so we're going to tie that existing tank into this leing field as shown 78 ft from the well so the only variants we need is uh 15451 G proposed each area 100 ft from the room is existing well proposed distance is 78 ft a water uh report has been submitted to the board and the nitrates were relatively Evol yes which is a good thing yes okay is that it that's it for me okay I'm turn over to M so I think the plan is fine there's no issues put the um just the maximum feasable compliance waivers up to the board and then take it from there um questions comments from the board I'm satisfied um anything no just the the the abing property that's not 34 David is that 34 David no that's 34 David this one um it says it's 175 ft the property the property um boundary is 175 ft so it's less than 200 ft from the river yes uh yeah that would be let me see 175 ft to the river so it would be I'm 190 ft from the river that one no I'm not because I'm 15 ft from the property line so I'm 25 ft from the river uh 15 15 + 17 15 + 175 is 190 yeah what am I saying I'm 190 ft from the river yes okay so does that make any it's a repair repairs yeah yeah repairs does it have to go to conom or anything it does have to go to concom I've submitted it to conom okay um well I just uh want to make that notation um I think given the um well results and the there's no other place you can put it I think we're I'm I'm okay with it project is proposed any other comcom related concerns well no I think we had to make it subject to conom but um no I think fact that it might be the river front but I I I think I agree with Mr Potter um you know these kinds of repairs are um are permitted in roont yeah something's wrong because I'm seeing the existing mall is 195 ft I know that's why I don't know River Front I know these lots have been in existence long before the riverfront ex more important to stay away from Wells um of course as always I would love to see a volunt dite but I know I'm not going to get it um so um I would entertain a motion okay so I would move to approve the plan for at all at 34 David Road at three bed repair on a plan dated 325 24 subject to concom review a local upgrade approval waiver for the site um well sat back at 78 ft rather than 100 ft um three years well testing and hold we need a three bedom deed restri we need a deed restriction bom deed restriction oh a three bedom deed restriction okay okay so I second that um motion made and second seconded to approve the project subject to those conditions just um Bob to be clear it's 24 David Road I want to make sure you got that not 34 um oh did I say 34 no I wrote 24 my not sorry I may have misheard you um okay all in favor I I that's unanimous thank [Applause] [Music] you thank you Mr okay next we're calling the um continued uh this was a hearing that was continued from the last meeting um for 96 masach Road uh for Christopher Dyson represented by pppi company is a three-bedroom uh it's going to be a two-bedroom repair isn't it change to a two-bedroom repair with bottomless sand filter and advantics on a 12,000 square foot lot uh the house will be demolished and rebuilt uh good afternoon attorney Matthew Lander the applicant Christopher Dyson joined by Nathan Chau from principi engineering um you are correct the change from the uh last meeting to now is that this was reduced from a three-bedroom system to a two-bedroom system um this is more of a technical discussion but I I just want to comment for the record that the there's a discrepancy between the existing approved plan which is actually a three-bedroom system for the property um the tax assessor records uh reflect a two-bedroom system and that discrepancy we've been trying to work through through and and resolve it um we didn't want to increase the flow we were asking for um basically a new system that reflected the existing design that was approved uh for whatever reason the um actual Home Design was only a two-bedroom and didn't reflect the three-bedroom system that was installed uh so Mr chaet reflected that change after discussions with the Department um prior to the last hearing so it is now a two-bedroom system so Nathan if you want to um go through the system yep absolutely uh Nathan chaet with pby company engineering division 27 sonon Ridge Drive tton uh on behalf of the client this is a Varan request for a new and modern two-bedroom bottomless s filter design with a focus on improving Environmental Protection for the site uh as the site exists today there's an existing three-bedroom conventional system with no pre-treatment and it sits within 100 ft of three nearby Wells those distances are 85.8 ft from the sight's well 64.3 ft from lot 166 which is to the east very well and 81.1 ft from uh lot 169 that's to the lot to the West there well uh the proposed modern design will reduce the size of the existing system as it is now a two bedroom design design consists of a 6 by 6t X 23t bottomless 10 filter with 115g septic tank with an advantex ax20 pre-treatment unit and a 1,000g pump tank uh variance request consists of a 5-ft relief from the rear property line and 22.1 ft relief from the sight's 100t well radius and 27.9 ft relief from lot 166 100t well radius that's the lot to the east by placing the bottomless C filter 5 ft from the rear property line the design is maxing out the separation distance from both of those Wells the current distance measured uh sorry the proposed distance measured uh for the improved system is now uh would be proposed 77.9 ft separation from the sight's well and 72.1 ft from the Lots uh from lot 166 well those are both improvements as well as it'll be outside of the 100t radius now from 169 uh that's the lot to the West no septic tank is within 50 ft from any of those Wells mentioned above and all comments have been addressed from the comments received on April uh 16th okay great thank you I'm going to turn it over to uh the director for his report yes so when we did our initial review there was quite a bit of um uh discrepancies that we had to work through and they did and they submitted these revised plans and they seemed to addressed all of them thank you yep and um it's it's a bit of a complicated technical plan but it it looks with the um revisions it looks it looks good and um for what best they can can do on such a small site yes thank you um questions comments from the board just questions I'm reading the notations at the top of the plan that says contractor to verify um the distance between the um SAS on the wells and I want to know if it's been verified that the distan is correct that's just a standard note we have on the plan um you know we give the dimensions and we want to make sure like the uh the wells were all uh shop by our server team GPS coordinated but and it's just um you know a proper kind of design that we go through just to make sure the contractors is aware that the wells are in the site and they are verifying that these are the dist tracks okay I'm fine I just can you re refresh my recollection of when um we need the property line survey when you're coming close to less than 5T less than 5 ft okay thank you we have a butter yep um uh so I have a couple questions one the lot 166 is that we usually use street addresses that 100 mask uh I could I just because that's what we usually use in our motions um so if you can verify the address that would be helpful um and then um this is a curiosity question um uh we're used to seeing mode 3B for dite um on advantic is 1B what's the difference what for us similar it it researchs into the smaller compartment okay um but both are seen as appropriate with uh demm R Island RM design manual okay um it's just but yeah no well we were sorry we were told to reference the demm design manual so that was exactly um the only difference I can speak of is that it just where it restarts back into the tank it's just on the the smaller component so 1B versus 3B is on the the the inless side okay um does that provide um the same level of dite um like 19 milligrams per liter uh I don't off the top of my head I don't have the numbers um all right that's okay okay um okay um we have a lot of people here today I don't know who's who um if we have anybody who's interested in asking questions or making comments now is your opportunity Mr sh you were here last time y yes I'm I'm the on the rear where theone I am is this good can you hear it I think you can stand up I think it's just you don't have to you don't have to crouched out you're fine so I'm the ab butter on the the rear side where the 5-ft setback uh variance is being requested and my question is is can the septic system meet the normal setback requirements placed somewhere on the lot and not infringe on the ab buding Wells significantly more than it does with the 5- foot setback design so we yeah so that was taken into consider consideration in my design but we deemed you know with my measurements through the wells that this would max out uh um I say lot 166 we'll figure that out exactly and our SES well while also giving enough relief to the existing property line so what that means is that U if you moves it further away from the property line it becomes closer to the Wells which is the en enironmental and public health risk because of the potential contamination to the wealth so correct I'm interpreting your absolutely correct engineering language correctly so moving it in any direction laterally or forward laterally won't get you more than 5 ft from the from the property line right I was just thinking in all Dimensions moving it it so yeah well you're asking for would be moving it more south and now both of the wells are to the South so you'd be going closer to the well if we go left to right east to west that's still the 5 foot um but it still even be getting closer to lot 166 well if we went left or right okay or yeah so that's the the answer to that is that um that's why they're asking for relief from that 5 ft to maximize the distance to the separation from the wells and what is the minimum distance from a well to a leechfield the minimum will'll allow um under Title 5 is 50 fet the the um anything less than 100 ft requires approval from the board through a local upgrade or variance request um so there less Fe there at now currently the wells were um so y so the SES well 588 uh the lot to the east 166 is 643 so we're seeing the the improved distances to 779 and 721 and then also outside of 169 as well right so they're they're going to be more than 100 ft from one of the wells that the current the current system is less than 100 ft and the other two are incre increasing the distance from the leech field to the well increasing the distance so improving um by 20 15 18 and another from an from an environmental perspective and public health perspective this is an improvement over the current um and the engineer is stating that um this is the best location based upon all of those constraints okay so uh just I guess the final question is is it then generally the town policy that you will go to the 5 foot setback to improve the distances from Wells or is that the priority in other words um um title five as um when we have local upgrade approval requests there is a um priority in sort of descending order of what's what's the least least um sort of objectionable um that's not the right word but understand what you're saying though yes least harmful to most um that are are available to us to Grant as options so um so the standard that title 5 asks us generally to apply is maximum feasible compliance so we tend to because of what the chair was saying maximize the distance from the well as the priority because that is um where the public health impact is okay I mean if and to put it in perspective I know that 5 ft doesn't seem a lot but I I think the standard is 10t right but if this was just 5T in the direction they wouldn't even be asking for this request so right so it's not as if they would required to be 30 or 40 ft from the property line they only ask you for an additional 5 ft in exchange for getting much more distance from the wels okay so I understand that so I do get so that's the trade off you know I think okay U so then the final final question if if we have trees on our side of the property line that grow roots underneath and disrupt the septic system happens that's question for you correct um because I think I saw in the plans that that a tent anything within 10 ft would be have to be cut and removed from a in my site analysis I didn't uh measure any trees within 10 ft okay okay so trees trees grow 10 ft is the regulation so on our side of the property would are we have to maintain trees 5T away from that from the septic or there's an option for a root barrier as well if that's if that's a compromise so could you explain the root barrier a little bit uh it's it's just extra underground Extra Protection um for any probably probably it would just be between the property line and the sand filter um so that might be a um it might addition yeah I don't want to be down the road having somebody come and say to me listen your trees are ruining my septic system and I feel like I don't want to cut that tree for some reason uh it doesn't seem it would be much nicer if there were a root barrier okay um and it sounds like the engineer is willing to accommodate that okay okay all my questions thank you okay thank you madam chair for the record um I confirm with my client lot 166 is 100 thank you thank you very much okay uh any other questions or comments from the audience okay anything else from the board not I proceed to a motion we would be looking for the usual stuff plus the addition of a root barrier to the plan want take a crack at it or you want to do it I can take a crack at it you guys will tell me if I did it right or not um I move that we approve the plan for 96 Mass C ship Mass masus scatch Mas scatch all right Road um owned by Christopher Dyson dated Revis the revision was 42224 for two-bedroom repair um with the following um with the variances that have been identified in the plan um with also with the following conditions um a hold harmless agreement two-bedroom deed restriction concom review three years of water testing two times a year total nitrogen testing and uh the addition of a root barrier between um the property at the property line and a hold did I say I said that okay I always put that at the top though oh okay um okay and um Bob do you have the um luas the 5 foot um from the property line as opposed to 10 ft and 77.9 ft to from from the well for 96 masus and 72.1 ft from the well at 100 masus okay um so that motion has been made and seconded um uh all in favor uh that's unanimous thank you thank you very much okay all right that concludes the um hearings we have covered all of our other business so um we can take the motion so I move that we adjourn this meeting at 54 p.m. second all in favor I that's unanimous thank you thanks everyone