##VIDEO ID:VIOA02pzTNI## uh welcome you to the November 25th uh 2024 meeting of the Westport Board of Health um the meeting formally opened up earlier while we were not um on on camera and so we moved through um other parts of the agenda um but we are at the important part which is a presentation from our nurse Linda Pierce so Linda okay good afternoon this month is emotional Awareness Month what the part of the brain that is responsible for emotional awareness is the hypothalamus and the LI limic cortex emotional awareness is the ability to understand and recognize your own emotions and the emotions of others it's a key part of emotional intelligence during emotional intelligence you can learn how to use it to your advantage reflect on your emotions consider why you're feeling a certain way and what you can do about it consider others emotions try to understand how others feel and respond appropriately for example if someone is sad you could try talking to them to show empathy find new ways to manage your emotions try different approaches to perceiving understanding and managing your emotions while being emotionally aware is important being emotionally aware makes us all more aware effective and understanding others and addressing their needs as well as our own five levels of emotional awareness are described barly Sensations action Tendencies single emotions and combination of the Blends here are some other things you can do to improve your emotional awareness build resilience develop healthy habits like eating well exercising and sleeping well take time for yourself do things you enjoy notice the life the things in life and try to look at problems from a different perspective practice gratitude make a list of things you're grateful for each day connect with others surround yourself with positive people and tap into your community and social connections here are some pointers to get started take a look in at the impact of your emotions intense emotions aren't all bad aim for regulation not repression identify what you're feeling accept your emotions all of them keep a mood journ Journal take a deep breath know when to express yourself give yourself some space practice observing how you feel pay attention on how you behave take responsibility for your feelings be kind be respectful always try to do your best we still have flu vaccin available if you need a flu vaccine please call 508 6361 030 to make an appointment please bring your medical ID card and your ID and our next blood drive is January 16th and we will be resuming them at St John the Baptist Church at 9:45 main road from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. please go online to register with the American Red Cross and I want to wish everybody Happy Thanksgiving and be safe out there thank you thank you Linda and thank you for um addressing emotional um awareness month and there's a connection between emotional awareness and mental health and also Stress Management and I think everybody can relate to the idea of stress and so being aware of what you're feeling then allows you to do things get can decrease the intensity of what you might be feeling that's adding to your stress so it's all connected um and I think it's really important especially around the holidays to be aware of what we're feeling when we're engaging with our loved ones that uh that we haven't seen or we're having discussions because it ultimately can lead to um better relationships if you do man if you are more self-aware I I do um journal every morning I'll probably never read my journals but it's just a way of expressing yourself and and letting yourself know how you feel and sometimes yesterday something that seemed really bad it's not so bad the next day and the good thing is we get up in the morning and we're upright and we're breathing so it's all good anyway thank you for letting me do this and uh have a good night thank you thank you Linda and Happy Thanksgiving to you so this is a a a a diversion but I noticed in the um package that it included the pump out records for the first time time yeah we don't usually I think we were just trying to get the packets built oh okay I end up in there put them in if you want them in from now put them in no no I I thought but I thought maybe there was something you wanted to point out to us or you know whatever and so yeah was as I was just SC through okay so um so F we're going to have like a 15 minute pause before our next appointment comes in okay so um uh we're going to discuss um the case of uh V and Diane roier no no that's not us no that's not US 23 oh no okay okay for some reason I did the other way on my notes here okay yes 2038 um Driftwood will be trusted 2038 2040 Main Road four bedroom repair I see you have something for us here yeah so this is a variance hearing and there not acquired not Sean Lee Garrett Maly from Northeast Engineers uh representing Cherrystone and Driftwood realy this is 2038 2040 main road uh this is way down on the left on Main Road about three houses up in the pocket truck so here's the green card for the notification I don't know who yeah I'll I'll take it for one of them didn't come back but I think they're aware what's going on U thank you okay so this is uh there are two houses two separate Lots here at 2038 2040 Main Road uh there's no increase in flow in these we're not proposing any new increase in flow what we're proposing is a repair 38 which is the house out on the front has a sess pool no tank so it needs to be uh upgraded appropriately and 20 240 had an existing repair septic design which was down right next to the river mhm which we thought was not a good idea so uh to do something that would uh meet maximum feasable compliance and make uh the best situation we could out of what we've got uh we're proposing a denitrification system to be shared by the two houses uh with an Elgen leech field to also be shared by the two houses we understand that uh there is a variance request from our own well which is situated up in the front and there's a variance quest for the the well to the north which is Jeff Wade's uh house uh we understand that we need to test the wells and that we're going to before anything but we want to make sure sure we got approval on this before we started uh too far down the road of paperwork and notifications so what we're proposing is a dentification to be shared by both these systems and a leeching field as far away from the uh River as we can possibly get and meet the the total uh requirement for size and groundwater separation we feel this is the best solution for these two houses that we could possibly come up with short of a sewer line coming down mid okay um Matt I agree and I just want to say the whole Shar system thing was it's not a considered a shared system we just get a little confused with the ownership of it it's the same person two different entities so weird little thing but uh everybody's in agreement that this is the best solution so we we uh we feel that this we go forward so we'll have to test Mr Wade's well which is probably being tested because his own system and assistance above that is also closer to 100 ft uh the separation we're ask for the for the lot to the South it's just a property line separation uh we can't meet the 10 ft so but the Driftwood realy trust owns both properties no there's there's two different entities there's two different laws but one owner who with two different real realy trusts so to speak so we have do a sh I I believe we have to do a Shar oh you do have to do a Shar system well thought we we talked about this earlier so I'm sorry it was got really confusing that it is really confusing so it's one owner who owns both entities right right yes so so I thought that qualified as disqualified it as a shed system but if it's two different entities oh that are that are legal that are the titled owners yeah which one owner of both both entities I see okay we uh Nancy left a uh email with us and and there was a lot of confusion so I said I'd like to just come in and present at least the design and then oh go then work out the other parts and work out the other parts afterwards because we understand it's a little more complicated than just straight that's good all right okay now it's as clear as mud that's good all right um go ahead no oh oh all right so um and uh was I wrong did you do a perk test or was there a analysis no perest oh okay all right we a very good water table it typically very good and very good soils for uh here at westw Point the water table tends to be down because there is a very shallow lens of fresh water uh particular thing all right so um so [Music] we're approving the plan I guess just broadly before we get into the details so would be approving the plan conditioned on the um compliance with the requirements of a shared system assuming which we go through the right um uh I don't know if it's so in the normal course of things we would like be identifying each of the you want to do do all that part does that make sense yeah and then just told Okay so um I I guess I can try to do that that makes sense um uh so I would move to approve uh wait a second yeah what's up so there are separate entities so that there's deed restrictions but the deed restrictions should be separate right so it should be a three-bedroom deed restriction for 2038 and a one-bedroom deed restriction for 20 because it's separate entities so if you say a four-bedroom deed restriction it may seem like both places could have a four bedroom house yeah and that's fine yeah yeah that's not a problem that's there's no intent to do anything yeah and is and it's so in 2038 is the three-bedroom yeah in 204 okay and then 2034 there's nobody that's in a butter for 2034 here because their well is closer than your well the system it's 53 ft instead of and yours is 67 right and that's by luck the fact that we had to squeeze a they say a septic tank in between and who owns that what's the a butter notice that we have for that who's the Jeff Wade Jeff and E Wade I don't Jeff uh yeah so is there also a waiver for that cuz I thought there was only one well set back waiver the 6 two well back one from our own and one from the 2034 and then the other waiver is for propy line for 2042 which is to itself right okay okay but I was but there's no waiver for the one that's the abutter there's a third of butter no there's there there's the two properties that we we're addressing now for the sh system and then there's a butter at 2034 that's 53 feet from the well right or 50 that's the one we're asking for we have as for a waiver and that was the notification that's the 203 to the north okay well the thing the the distance I had in my note was like 67 ft yeah that's for theirs that's for their okay so there are two of them so there are two set one for our own there's another one for 50 ft at 2034 yes okay okay this has already been the conservation too by the way oh okay I don't see is it a stamp on there there's no it's not stamped here so is um are these are these revised in some way if these are revised we only only from a groundwater table standpoint uh but not from a location or grading standpoint it's just a revised plan just probably didn't make it the Chrystal stand but we had been in front about two months ago we were in front of conservation with this exact same so do we need a stamp with the approved stamp on it yeah what we'll do is we'll just send the revised plans to Chris and he just stamps them yeah since they've already been before conom nothing has changed location wise what was in front of yeah okay I mean I think we can still use the same language and it'll just get it'll just get stamped okay so uh um it's interesting to say okay so uh so I'm going to try to move um to approve the plan for the justwood realy trust um the two Parcels at 2038 and 2040 Main Road it is a uh with a shared system and its uh three bedroomroom repair um and it would be subject to um conservation approv approval um a local a local upgrade approval waiver for a sight well setback uh to 67 ft a uh an autter um setback 2034 of for The Well of 50 ft and a property line set back for which property 2042 for 2042 at uh 8.9 ft uh 10 um there would be a a deed restriction of three bedrooms uh for 2038 and one bedroom for 2040 um there'll be three years of well testing for all the properties um for the uh that have well setback waivers uh and a hold harmless agreement and I don't is there anything need to be hold harmless agreements um the sharing the well and the sharing the septic I don't know I think um well I think we would we're just approving this plan so I think it only requires one yeah okay um yeah hold so um I mean I think it could I think the whole haras agreement could you know um because you can have one owner can include both reference to both R right this is here A certification for both properties I think Nancy Wasing for that it's on the plan but I think she wanted it just on the form also got it and oh I just want to add thing that that this approval is conditioned upon um the uh owner um and the trust owners um meeting compliance with the um provision um Title 5 for shared systems the E onm and the onm is really the manufacturer onm uh but the uh Financial mechanism is what you're looking for right yeah it's a little bit Yeah cuz it's yeah yeah I don't know that yeah I mean we can throw something in it's kind of a weird situation where it's the same moment but right so yeah yeah we can think about that yeah nitrogen testing yeah I did say three years of well testing I did say that you said well testing total nitr three years oh oh I don't know so I don't know we're doing I I I I defer to Tanya on that should be it's a it's two years so because you guys are using an advantex yes yeah so it's two years of total testing two years of total testing yeah we literally have a Cess pool about 30 ft from the existing well Wonder so I don't even the base line is going to be a little high before this gets installed did you get all that Bob I did okay then I second that motion all in favor I I thank you I'll try to reconcile everything with Nancy in the morning or oh she in this week no she's not she'll be back on Monday okay we'll do that next week great thanks thanks guys good night I with the same owners of two separate entity locks and we had to go down okay moving on sit down um so um our next matter is uh review of a plan for Lee and Diane d roer and 139 Donovan Lane u a three-bedroom repair on a plan dated 10424 good evening folks Mark Rodricks analysis and design engineering I've got some a butter notices I'll give you holding the cards tonight yes I am thank you I don't know if any of but is here I know Mr Nicholas is not here so we would have heard or seen him already so what we've got a small parcel of land 139 Donovan's land 420 square ft uh added to that parcel is a deed parcel of land lying to the north which is the location where the uh proposed repair system is located so we've got Plumbing leaving the lot and that that uh parcel of land has been conveyed and is deed over to the dooes so there's no issue uh that I can see associated with that additional land that they need for the sighting of the soil absorption system the pre-treatment unit this bottomless sandfilter the pre-treatment unit is a Fuji CN five nitrogen reduction system actually a rather well performing nitrogen reduction system this is my first one here in Westport with a featuring The Fuji uh it discharges to a uh small pump chamber then up to the bottomless sand filter and given the uh very small parcel that I was left to work with uh for this uh and the uh Westport River to the West uh we've got some setbacks of distances for system components this is going through is an [Music] RD so the waivers or de or variances that I have here first the distance of the bottomless sand filter to the East and North property lines is only 5T versus 10 the setback distance of the uh soil absorption system vssf to the private water supply well is 50.9 versus 100 ft the distance of the Fuji tank to the private water supply well is 27.8 versus 50 that is a variance as I've learned in Prior hearings setb distance to the proposed pump chamber is less than 50 ft that's at 33 1/2 ft that I have it as shown on the parcel uh and then the horizontal distance between the tot of the slope of the uh grade around the bottomless sandil to the property line uh is not 10 ft off the uh property line so that is the Swale or other drainage system is within the 10 fet so we have that property is currently owned by Mr Nicholas uh and this was as uh they negotiated for the property so there is some clearing and some removal of trees around the bottom of the sand filter that is off property and a small amount of grading up to the property line and that too is considered in my eyes a variance it's not in the 405 section so okay there's a little list here of things um I think it's about the best we can do uh attempting to locate these tanks 50 ft away from that well uh would put us uh significantly closer to the uh Westport River and I was trying to keep it away from the steep slope and also the buffer zone to the river so this is what we have [Music] today uh so yeah I think like Mark said this is probably the best they can do on this lot with the land and the river off to the West so I don't see anything more that they can do they are using the Fuji um system which is a very good system and I think there's only a second or third one we've used in town so question the last one about the toe toe the bottom of the slope there's a small amount of sloping away from the tank so that's called the toe thank you right I had a question about it but which I I probably should have talked to Matt earlier about because I was trying to align it with what um you know the the T 5 provision was and there's um in if I have it aligned right that um I guess the tow the there's a tow so is a minimum of 5 ft from the property line that's correct but then it uh but then it requires and if it's um beyond the property line it's allowed if there is an impermeable barrier is that part of the regulation beond the property line I don't I I'm not familiar with that Phil okay all right well you know maybe it's not the the right the I believe where the impervious barriers come as if if the toe of the slope if there's not a 10-ft separation between the bottom of the system and the to of the existing grade that's where we have to put poly barrier okay so those are two different things they are two different things yeah it wasn't quite clear on it because a poly barrier into the grade is not really going to help the surface run off actually and what we could sometimes do would would be to put some sort of a surface Swale where you come into where your close to the property line but it just doesn't seem to make sense out in the woods here to startop for that small slope it's not like we've got a big ring change and there's also a Civ analysis here yes okay are you asking for the cens instead of the perk oh there was there was also a perk test done I saw that was right so so there is a c that's required for per Rhode Island design requirements we we do not use a percolation rate but we use a Civ analysis asking for that in that is correct there is a per test here okay yeah yeah I I want so the size of the equivalent system is still based on the perk rate but the sizing of a bottomless sand filter is by the soil category which is why we sometimes do both unless we're clearly going towards a bottomless sand filter I would argue okay there's really not much sense but for our purposes I had a question mark next to we don't need it for it's a condition of our no it's a condition of the bottom of sandfilter okay all right so um you want me to take a sure yeah yeah I move that we um approve the plan dated 10 1424 MH um for a three bedroom repair at 139 Donovan's Lane by Lee and Diane d Roes um with the variances as written in the plan because they were expensive with the following condition uh hold harmless agreement three bedroom de restriction total nitrogen testing for two years Water Analysis for three years Matt uh three years of Water Analysis yes and concom review did we get the whole I did did okay good I was first thing I okay I do that for you pH thank you and um I think just for the record to distinguish that um the um that the um so there's essentially a local upgrade ofal waivers for um the setback of the BSF and the setback of the um uh well setback for the prop for um uh from 100 for the well that's going from 50 ft to 9 ft but it is a kind of a variance approval for the well in which the distance is being reduced to 27.8 Ft and a variance for the uh toe of the slope uh set back from the property line and so I think for those who are making a finding of that there's really no feasible alternative that would comport with maximum feasible compliance um in those regards because we'd be required to make a formal finding as part of our um as part of the process so I will second um that motion all in favor I I thank you so much uh the Baseline water test was requested I did not have it available this time I'd speak to Nancy about that so the Baseline is coming but we do have PE night here so right she told me it wouldn't hold up the hearing but the ball got dropped there my bad okay all right all right I all right Thanksgiving same to you also um is there time permitting for me to to bring up a topic for your consideration and thought for the future or do you have other hearings no this is can I can I have one more minute if you can course the topic the the topic topic is a uh accessory dwelling units and I think we're going to be hearing a lot about those from what I am hearing uh I've got a property in Westport on a uh Longwood Drive uh that has a three-bedroom existing dwelling the design of the septic was installed certified as a four-bedroom septic system just talking about that so there was a gentleman here we're it's going to be a topic at our next meeting okay hitch about it go ahead so I I I I did mention it to Matt and I thought in a case like this that the easy solution for these folks would be just to tie in the one-bedroom accessory dwelling unit which is currently proposed to be a detached Adu on the property plenty of room that shouldn't be a dilemma and then pump into the tank with the one or four bedroomroom design flow right in in reading and I discussed this with Matt and reading that I saw that with an occupancy permit associated with the Adu uh that that would force us towards a dite system MH so I questioned that and I said well this is sort of a unique case and further I also questioned after the thought after the fact I spoke to Matt if this was an attached accessory dwelling unit which does not require an occupancy permit might that change anything for the considerations that the board would be having for this particular case or in general think it's a pretty good question but yeah I looked once twice and well what if it was attached there would be no occupancy permit per se associated with an addition to serves an necessary dwelling unit which just to say that the property that's this is going to tie into isn't doesn't currently have a D9 does not so so so in the r it says if you're going to build a this structure that needs an occupancy per you have to have D so you know we started talking back and forth will this property have to add D to it and um it's a little different than gentleman that was in earlier the discussion so that's you know something he was asking I don't know the answer yeah well I mean if if you're just going to go by what's written I would say yes but I don't know the actual how the board would want to handle these cases because we're going to start seeing a few of them I think you will yeah yeah yeah um yeah and I yeah it's right because it you know I mean it would literally meet the you know definition of an increase in actual flow I don't think that um as I was saying to the gentleman previously I don't think that when that was um you know drafted well we adopted the title 5 definition for consistency but then you know where you know didn't really anticipate you know these circumstances necessarily you know coming up at the time and so yeah we'll have to look at the variations and see what what kind of principles you want to apply fair enough I just it's kind of a unique one that I wanted to take a minute that's something to think about because I think that's like a tip of the spear thing kind of I think for sure right he'll be seeing a lot of okay all right thank you so much I appreciate you it was hearing me out on this one and there's nothing to say a case like this when an Adu gets added to an existing four bedroom design with three bedrooms that after that increased flow comes that this currently pass the title 5 it was I did have a title 5 done that that might lead to next year next month to there's no guarantee I would never guarantee that oh the system's going to be fine it's fine at time zero so then we're going to be seeing well what happens if we do that would that be where one would stop thinking about the dite might be an option you know size of the law Etc uh that's just another consideration that thought of an interesting yeah tangent to this for us to dwell on okay thank you so much something to chew on on Thanksgiving we'll be thinking let's hope there's plenty to chew on yes exactly yeah yeah thank you so much all right uh so are there uh any other matters that we haven't uh need to address no all right no being there no further business I move that we adjourn this meeting at 457 p.m. second all in favor I I thank you