okay about what the p and yeah yeah it's actually more than six months cuz uh okay uh good afternoon welcome to the Westport Board of Health uh June 10th 2024 meeting which I am calling to order under master General Law chapter 30A section 20f this meeting is being recorded um please join me in I pledge of allegiance I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you very much okay we'll get right into the agenda starting with the director Public Health written report um any questions on that um Matt will go over some of the stuff that's none for me okay go ahead okay so on May 23rd uh 2024 we received a fish consumption advisory for South wupa Pond they were uh they were informing us of the results of the um past substances measured in fish sample from South Pupa pond in 2022 um those samples were taken and tested by uh Mass D and it was also um summarized in a 20 December 2023 report past levels and fish collected from this water body were above the dph fish Action level of 22 parts per billion indicating that regular fish consumption of these fish May pose a potential Health concern fish consumption advisories were posted um on May 23rd around South uh wupa in addition the advisory and supporting materials are posted on the board of Board of Health web page and those supporting materials is the actual advisory from thph that went to Fall River and Westport um we posted these yeah fish consumption advisories um around the pond on the Westport side and we also put on our web page um guidance past and recreationally caught fish and guidance on how to minimize exposure to past and local fish document is also up on our we page um there's a blood drive scheduled for Thursday June 13th 2024 at the St John's Baptist Church from 10:00 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. that's going to be the last one that's going to be held at the St John Baptist Church until the fall um and that schedule is not available but after talking with our Public Health M Linda the Red Cross is going to schedule some drives over the Su up at whites and Westport and those dates will come to us so we can learn everybody know okay thank you transfer station annual stickers are now on sale and have been on sale um since May and you can purchase those at the transfer station by check on money order only or at the Board of Health by check money or or cash we are have been trying to hire uh was the best way to say this at town meeting we we we were approved to have put get money to hire a part-time Animal control officer um we're just waiting on the wage study to be reviewed by the Personnel Board in the select board to figure out how we can you know how and when we can move forward with um posting that position and uh trying to get some candidates and I mean it's busy and there's not always coverage because we only have one person and we really want to try to get the town the coverage it needs and deserves so we'll be working on on that how many hours did Nick work in the last couple of weeks Nick he he puts in probably about 45 Plus hours every week um so um the Bristol County Mosquito Control project will begin taking requests on May 28th and weather permitting begin spraying on June 3rd between the hours of 2 a.m. in Sunrise pending weather conditions temperatures need to be above 55 degrees during those hours for applications to be made so delays in June are very common please send the name request to request Bristol MC c p comcast.net or call 508 823-5216 . mass.gov SLA Bristol mosquito control right okay thank you um let's move on to director approved plans um right we have a five-bedroom new construction located at 672 River Road on 113,877 26t lot on Old h Road for a Todd H utilizing your vantex at the quick four and we have a four-bedroom repair at 14 Brookside AB for James and Carol gdoi um are a 40930 foot lot utilizing a Presby system okay um so the first two are um new constructions requir the two times per year total nitrogen um but it's been concom reviewed so I don't think there's any other conditions right no all of them have been concom reviewed okay great I'll entertain a motion okay so I move that we approve um that direct or we endorse the director approved plans for 672 River Road Harbor Road doesn't have a number no it's new construction so I don't believe it has and then 12 Brookside have 14 what did I say 12 14 Brookside have um and the two times per year total nitrogen for River Road I will second that motion um all in favor hi I with one absence our vice chair is not here today okay uh we move on to minutes um and U we have May the May 13th 2024 minutes um any uh questions or concerns I have none so I neither okay so I move that we approve the May 13th 2024 minutes I'll second that um all in favor I I that's two to nothing with one absence thank you okay we now need to do Board of Health annual appointments uh for FY 25 um Dr Dennis Kalen as medical advisor Kristen Stinson who's our town clerk as burial agent Special Agent Jonathan H Potter Jr as a burial agent Shane Erikson Potter as burial agent Jennifer do teera part-time tobacco inspector uh Gabby alme full-time health specialist this is under the South Coast Public Health collaborative Grant and shayen Rodriguez um part-time health specialist also under the Grant I have no questions so I move that we approve um the annual Board of Health appointments I'll second that all in favor I I that's unanimous with one absence thank you oh yes I'll give it to you okay okay we have um board member updates and I'll try first um we ran um successful successfully ran programs during the month of May criminal Health Awareness Month um my lament is that um there was uh poor attendance um at one event in particular which was focused on the high school and middle school students and their families and there was no one there from any of the families so I'm not sure if it has to do with um communication I do know that they I sent the um flyer to the school to have it posted but it didn't get posted till the week after the event so I want to follow I will be following up on that to find out um how we can make sure that that um those events get posted at the appropriate time so that families who want to come will be able to come but the um the one we did on opioid um uh the impact of opioid addiction was um well attended and um we had some good input from that so um the one of the things I um they reached out to me a watershed Alliance um last year I had Board of Health I was a presence for the Board of Health they were asking if the Board of Health wants to have a table at the Watershed Alliance so I won't be able to uh person the table maybe for an hour that day I could but I have a family event so I won't be able to do that but I don't know if that's something the board wants to entertain specifically with septic stuff um and the impact on the river that's what I was thinking um I had to look at my calendar I don't I mean I imagine I think it's the 22nd um Phil might be there um um and um let's follow up on that so I um I mean I'm just thinking like the P hand outs from the P yeah I mean you know not necessarily that someone has to be there I could probably go in the morning and set up but I would have to then leave the table and then I wouldn't be able to take the table down and take pick up the stuff so uh I have to find do you know what the H the event is um 10 to two 10 to four something like that if it's 10 to two I could do the back end I think it's a little bit later might be three I'm not sure I have to look at yeah so but um that's um Cindy who is uh the person who is organizing it contacted me twice and I said no because I wasn't going to be able to do it but then when she contacted me again I said let me ask the board what they want to do okay because I think anything that we're doing that's protecting the river would be important to communicate to the people that are attending so yeah okay um let's see what we can do on that um all righty um so it's been a month since our last four weeks since our last meeting so I I do actually have a bunch of updates um I attended the mass health Officers Association um conference on green burial in um May on May 16th or something like that in Walpole I think was really interesting um they we had presentators um talking about um getting Municipal cemeteries to have hybrid to become hybrid cemeteries allow a um natural burial section or allow it just interspersed if if that's they're comfortable with that um talked a little bit about home burials um that is uh if somebody wants to be buried on their own property um doesn't have to be green could be bomed um uh it is a pretty 10 to two 10 to two thank you uh pretty elaborate process um for approval um because obviously there needs to be review and for protection of water resources and so on um but also it becomes a cemetery that property and you have to have a cemetery Corporation so not a not an easy process um so uh and then um there's a a lot of um Board of Health approval is required for any new Cemetery formation whether it's a a natural Cemetery natural burial Cemetery or uh just a regular Cemetery um there are our older cemeteries that are are grandfather anyways there's a lot of um nuances to it um that I think maybe at some point I'll do a like a presentation to just share with the board some of the great U materials that we got um um I know there's some interest in town um from folks in the area um uh to um promote natural burial more and and identify a location where that can occur um um either a separate Cemetery or or maybe uh the expansion in the Westport Cemetery or whatever so um so it would be timely to do that um so um we'll schedule that for some time um I wanted to also mention I was on a um um bus tour of um uh places ort things related to the buzzers Bay Coalition some of their activities including the gooseberry um Island uh up you know the um Causeway up um research update um but they also have um they have a a grant proposal in for an East Beach voluntary lot buyout program um I don't know if they've gotten it yet or when they'll hear um they submit it at the end of April um but given the amount of disruption and and um damage that's been caused in just been unnamed storms um over this past winter um there really needs to be some long-term planning and so on on that so that I thought that would be interest was interesting um it was submitted in collaboration with the town so I look forward to hearing about that um uh I also attended at the end of May a um um past Summit um um which is again the per floral com uh comp compounds that are being found in drinking water and and um some some some wells have been contaminated with pasas here in in Westport um so it's it's a bigger issue it's an issue in particular also for um public water supply operators uh because their new um Federal standards paa standards have lowered the limit allowed um for Pas in drinking water so um um they have to come into compliance over the next few years which means a lot more testing a lot more treatment and a lot of the treatments um they can remove the past but then what do you have to do what can you do with the contaminated filters or whatever so it's pretty big problem um but there were presenters from um the EPA from Mass D um the mass Waterworks Association which is the trade Association for um public water supply operators um and some technology um uh companies um so that was it was interesting um it's a really complicated field um there's not there is money in the you know the infrastructure Federal infrastructure money but it's not enough to cover what what they're going to need and there's really no particular um funding source for private well you know homeowner Wells um and so they're sort of on their own um there are technologies that can be done on um uh you know on the tap in the kitchen sink which is most likely where you're going to collect drinking water it's not so big a concern for um washing and and bathing and so on but um it's a it's definitely going to be an ongoing topic to um keep track of and and um share information with the town as we as we learn more about it so um that was that um and um I'm going to I'll come back because we have we have our first appointment at 420 um um with some stuff related to the transfer station which will be um discussed later anyway so um so I'll take a break from that and we'll move on to our first appointment I'm assuming you're here for that um this is a I'm calling that hearing for 36 Robert Street owned by Derek neelon this a three-bedroom repair with a Presby system with Zenus and Engineering representative [Music] [Applause] good afternoon for for the record IA from Zenith Consulting Engineers um we are here before you for a septic upgrade for an existing three-bedroom home um there was there there signifant there's wells around the property uh luckily we were able to get over 100 ft from all of those Wells um which is always a good thing um it is a fairly small lot um the three local upgrades that we are asking for um are the use of a SI because it was obviously too wet at time of time par test um we are asking for the use of just one deole um in the in the um within the system itself there's just limited area and we feel as though a lot of times it it just disturbs more of the of that of the system itself so we'd rather just do the open hole at time of construction and confirm that the soils are consistent which typically they are um if not we deal with it on site um and then third uh because of the high water table um and the the location of the existing plumbing coming out of the house we had to do uh we had to ask the 12 in from the inl tank and pump um we are providing rubber boots uh we are also providing H20 monolithic tanks um to Ure that they water tight and also for buoyancy purposes um so it's our opinion that the design that you have in front of you is a obviously much better than what's currently there and happy to answer any questions that the that the board has okay thank you um first turn to Matt for his report uh no no comments on this uh design it's everything's good okay uh any questions they say it's going to need to be restriction y right yes that's and a whole hornless and uh obviously the IIA notice um and all the certifications related to that okay uh any questions Donna um I have none okay so I move that we approve um the plan at 36 Robert Street owned by Derek Nel neelson dated 41824 for a three-bedroom repair um with the variances the approval of the variances written in the plan on the plan um and with the following conditions whole harmless agreement three-bedroom deed restriction IIA notice and appropriate paperwork I'll second that um motion um uh all in favor hi uh that's thank you very much thanks for coming in you too um I said the IIA noce oh okay thank you okay um we got five minutes so I'll go back to my um updates um can we go back and amend that to a local upgrade approval instead of a variance I'll second that okay all in favor I it's just to clarify the word and be technically correct okay um I just to follow up on your um ATT did that opio talk on 522 I thought it was really um quite um uh impactful um hearing from a recovering uh user and a a parent of U who lost a son to uh opioid overdose so um uh and I just saw actually a New York Times article about the um fishing industry and the um the high rate of opioid you know sort of overdoses at Sea and encouraging them getting the sand boxes or loxone available on yeah and that there's a a health worker who is actually going on board and doing demonstrations and some fleet some fleets are doing it and other fleets are not um but substance abuse issues have been big at the waterfront for a long time they talked about um something in New Jersey and I said new bedford's got to be in here and of course they went and they it was all about New Bedford and the fishing industry and I well know about the problems down in the Waterfront with addiction um um and even the uh federal government um was became there were many sting operations down at the waterfront related to uh movement of substances through the fishing fleet so um but yes um my family was in the seafood industry so I knew about it before it was uh well known in the media um but it a great article it was a long article it was in the magazine part of the New York Times so it's definitely a a timely issue um and and one of the things I mentioned at the end was that um with the um opioid um settlement funds is looking at how that money can be best utilized and somehow the Board of Health taking some leadership on um looking at the funds and um helping direct the board on appropriation of those funds to help in the community so I in fact just um uh it was it was very impromptu I went to the town hall and and uh Jim's uh door was open and I said I'm doing a mental health check and we just had a casual conversation about about that and that um I certainly would like to be part of that process and spearheading um how that those funds would be best utilized to meet the needs of the people in our community Community yeah I think um between you and Olive we have a lot of expertise um in the Board of Health around those issues um I don't claim any expertise but um so I hope uh the town takes advantage of those resources U to help us the town figure out how best to use the funds um um and the last thing I wanted to mention um is I have had a request from a um a resident in town to consider um food waste comp composting at the transfer station um so we're looking into that um um there might be a cost to the town um to to host it there um they ALS this is a company called Black Earth compost they also offer um residential pickup um and they do that currently in timan and Little Compton so um I'm not sure that's something that we can you know organize a residential pickup program but um there may be the watered Alliance for others um and maybe that's another thing we could um include in the um River deeg um if people are interested in learning more about that um so that's something we're still looking at in terms of the transfer station is's a lot up in the air uh with regard to the transfer station at the moment so um we'll have to wait and see on that um okay um I have some I think that's it for my updates um we've had several meetings with the Boy Scouts but we'll talk with them in a uh in a few minutes um so I'll hold off on that um I've covered everything else so oh uh one other topic um I don't have an update on it but um uh our June Board of Health notes Westport notes column we should think about um uh that so maybe I know um Phil wants to do a topic on um micro Plastics and I know I've seen um recent articles in the New York Times and Washington post about ubiquity of microplastics and how how much we're ingesting and um I don't know a lot about the health effects um but that's a topic um that uh would be helpful um um but maybe the food composting idea um is another one uh we certainly should do something about um you know protecting oneself in the summertime um with all the different with the heat you know the climate stuff and the vectors um um I know we have is there something from um the uh climate resilience report that could be adapted into a um Phil did an amazing job on that um and he was really surprised though I've been saying to him you know we've been focusing on Heat and the impact heat um I've said vectors it's the vectors are going to be a huge problem I mean they're not here it's not here yet but you hear of um uh malaria Denay fever in the South that's things that are coming that are beginning to migrate into the US um and so you know and we know that um other mosquito born illnesses um or tick born illnesses that we currently deal with um may increase with the climate change so that's definitely a worthwhile topic I defer to you and film on that that one um okay any other thoughts not any top okay well we'll we'll see what we can come up with for June and going forward I'll check and depending on what the select board I think they're going to have um the um the opioid funds addressed and how that's going to be looked at in town and that may be something in the future to write about and to include um I still would like to do a focus group from people in town to find out what ideas they have about how we could best utilize the funding but um we have to wait we have to wait for direction from the select board about that and whether or not um they're going to authorize the Board of Health to be the lead on it so um which reminds me that um and we'll get to Mr Potter in one second um I saw that um if you're on the um you know the town e alert thing uh um the planning board sent out a survey about short-term rentals um um and I think they're going to reinvigorate that committee see what the results of that that survey is like but that survey process is it might be also a tool that could be used um okay around uh because it might reach a lot more people than um get done in the fast so um okay let's turn our attention to our 430 um I have to get my agenda back up I lost track of it yes two I have it here somewhere I will call you in a second um okay I will call a 4:30 um I don't know if it's a variance hearing it's a hearing 4:30 hearing with um Len Potter representing uh Sue Bron at 153 East Beach Road um and Andrew Vi vieno at 2011 East Beach Ro both of whom wish to install tight so even one father was environmental design I'll start with Susan who the owner of3 East Beach Road I met with Matt Andy back in March sometime or April and U that there is a s on the property and she desires to put a Tian to replace that so I'm here asking for a permit for a Titan on that block I can get U about 75 ft from the marsh and 10 ft from the property line where I'm going to place it and that would serice a two B Trail I have not gone to conservation yet cuz I want to make sure the board it before I apply and go through all that motion okay um okay 2000 G tank with the proper alarms and all um and it the cess pool is not currently in use right but they have been using it I don't know if it's a trail a lot yet she she rined a lot out a right there um I was under the impression it was self-contained but um it could be I don't know I don't know what they're asking for I was accessable okay she wants it out and put a tank and if she can okay and we'll turn to minut so traditionally we let people who had a system there replace it with a tight thing cess pools we really haven't come across cess pools um yeah we've come across people with tight tanks that have failed they want to put another one in or you know they failed M years ago and um you know they coming and asking now can we put a new one in we've allowed it um the only thing that that um procedurally I think maybe we we might have to treat this similar to the way that we treated 194 spee road because that was a sess pool but it had no tank and we had to get we had they had to apply for variance from 2113 to be able to put the tank there because of where it is and the velocity Zone the flood zone okay um is this um what are the zones here v19 okay about elevation 3.75 way up there so that would be my only thoughts on these two properties because there's no existing tanks they just straight sesss right when no no tanks with them yeah that would be my only my thought on on this I can't remember of any time we've had a Cess pool going to a tight tank we've had other situations but not assess pool MH so well as you know we're not particularly fans of new T tanks spee Road um given the Relentless nature of of the Atlantic Ocean and um so on asks there ask you to need right um I think this is a topic we've banded about we have not come to a formal conclusion yet um we may um we have to address that soon because obviously more and more people are um are coming to us so um but we don't have a policy or regulation in place that would um restrict beond title card you come back I can ask the uh to do that and it won't get heard until July the Calendar's full so that might give you time to think a ask I don't know what you're do it's up to you yeah mat I mean you said you were under the impression that the Cs pool was not being used um well our database said it was self-contained um which was based on the review of Records um so I don't you know I can't bear I I did not look in the file today to verify that um what on What basis that was reported well it has been used in the past I went back into both files and looked at the applications that were made over the last three or four years for these properties and they both list that they've had these cess pools but they they weren't used they were used in self-containment that's the way the applications read to me they yes sure we have an inground system but we use self-containment so of course with self-containment then the problem is is removed when there's a storm coming which is a much preferable option um so I'm I'm not a I'm not wild about this um but uh if for for consistency sake if we treat it the same way as we treated 194 East Beach Road we' Grant you the opportunity to request a Varan I just want to say I'm not suggesting in any way that this gets denied I'm just saying procedurally if we're going to treat the these the same we should treat it the same but I'm not suggesting in any way that we should deny it well I am suggesting that at some point we should think about not allowing them um and um I would like to have that on the next me applications I had in a long time how how many years is it if someone has got a septic system we consider it abandoned and that's something the board has to talk about when they talk about this is you know because it's really I don't think there's any language that says if it's been sitting idle it's considered a bandit do we have something in a provision that says that though if if um if someone has abandoned the house and there's nobody using the house and that's under the building renovation regulation and three years there's 3 years if the house sits vacant but these aren't okay Trail aren't vac I can tell you this and this goes back to H te 1991 when the beach was inundated with the hurricane storm surge D gave the board instruction that if there's anything on the lot Su 55g Dr that on the lot then they could put in a sealed tank until such time as D determined what they were going to do lot of those tanks down there we put in the seal tanks I put 36 of them and then as time went on D didn't come up with anything so they ended up becoming tight tanks legitimate tight tanks but they said if you see anything and we up and down that all got looking for looking for then the agent would yep it's there but no it's not I got another one across the street from U the other property and uh nothing on I came to the water tanks out the beach old T I can't I can't find anything on it but these two are there they probably don't want to use it CU it probably doesn't work right yeah okay it's probably full of sand well okay um well I would uh would be um that's our recommendation back with just requires notification of the [Music] yeah the process okay um so that takes care of those two the same um and you're here also for the 440 discussion um which I will call now this is for 141 drift Road additional bedroom explain what this is about the realtor called me on this property and said look he says I think I got a four B system but the town record says three bedrooms okay he says do I have a four or do I have a three before he put in the market he wants to know so we did the research and there's a letter that submitted to the board in April 1 156 what happened the original system was designed by by my rule which is dness rule that any system no matter how great the pr grate is he designed to 600 squ ft no less in in 2 1994 the loading rate was 1 square foot one gallon per square foot as a loading rate and thus I had a 6 30 day system that says such on the original plan and then what happened in 95 the loading rate for 2 minut cence rate was reduced to 74 so if you divide the 630 Square ft divided by the 074 it gives you a yield of 466 g a day which is greater than the for Value requirement of title five and what happened is the I had the title F the title F inspection he went in there and he found it to be a home says you have report in the office so question is officially another change on the plan say three the board granted the for B house in 2006 the minutes of the meeting I think I gave that to you yeah right there so a second floor is being proposed increase the de in count so is it current are there currently four bedrooms in the house inspector the inspector bedrooms okay yeah I have the report here if you want to see it I'm going to defer to you and you can tell us what you um okay so um your argument is that based on the um 95 code and I don't think it's changed for it 95 2423 code um that the the uh capacity of the system accommodates four bedrooms they've installed four bedrooms um and they just want uh confirmation that just confirmation okay so Matt what is your recommendation yes the math where Title Five inspection confirms that this for actual bedroom so that's been already added and uh it passed the pass okay so I think it's it's fine I just um were you going to submit revised plans well it's the same plan as I did in 94 just have to change the three to four which wasn't done in in 2006 just we can either add this to the plans or you can yeah yeah okay I'll I'll change it on the plan to four and I'll initial it dat it okay good enough all right you have all the letters confirming everything MH okay okay so um do we need to do a formal Vote or would you like a formal formal vote I don't think you have to with everybody's in we just we're in agreement we confirm this is a for veteran yep uh system the Title Five inspection wasn't done until a week or so ago maybe two weeks and I I said I got to have the title five report in order to say it's working number one and number two how many better the inspector tell me how many better yeah okay okay thank you Mr P okay we're in agreement on that one great thank you that was easy okay um I believe we have Representatives uh from the Boy Scouts and um uh there's no formal notifications so we can start the conversation if you're ready okay come on up pull up some chairs [Music] um okay um so I'm going to uh well have you introduce yourselves and then I'm I'm just going to start laying out the um circum where we're at and then we can have a discussion about um Bo Scouts are looking for what we're looking for and see make sure that we're all on the same page um so why you just introduce yourselves first I'm Chad brow I'm the scout master of troop 100 hi hi Chad thank Steve we have run the committee chairperson for TR 100 thank you bobber Treasurer great thank you um so uh the Board of Health um overseas of Transport station and we have been um uh seeing increased usage um and in part because of higher tipping fees being charged for um residential pickup and so we're seeing a lot more traffic um at the transfer station um and that is causing and we we have um Staffing constraints um I don't need to bore you with the details but um we only have one uh qualified driver um who can move equipment around move dumpsters around bring them haul them for emptying um so things get backed up and I witnessed that myself this weekend when we couldn't I came in behind somebody who wanted to dump a bunch of um bulky items and we didn't have room um and so he had to come back which is really um unfortunate um so um we have received funding um from through town meeting to um purchase additional dumpsters and the space is getting crammed um as you know um uh we've met a couple times with Representatives um from um the Boy Scouts looking at options hoping to first one was trying to sort of move back in that existing space so you could stay up top um but that runs into the um landfill cap situation and and having to do testing which ended up being like man that's such a great idea um so um we the next option is looking was looking at the lower lot what we're calling lot three now which is the furthest one just before the curve I don't know if you other the rest of you uh used the transfer station um and we met with uh Chad um and looked at the uh site um and um talked about what how we could work together to make this as um uh you know as positive uh of um process for you in terms of continuing to have that as a fundraiser and hopefully as you know as strong Revenue stream as it has been for you um and what we can do to support that um within our constraints um so um I think we had a general understanding that that we could make that work out have an exit and Chad provided a um a site plan um we have looked at what it would take for us to um prepare the site to be um accommodate your needs um and we had also talked about making sure that um we had a written agreement so we understood what the terms were um so that's um how we got to where we are today we wanted to be able to have a uh you know an open discussion about um um what what um our proposal was in terms of the written agreement and and um so on um in the meantime we had um the what I call the memorandum of understanding sort of an informal agreement um uh is being reviewed by Town Council and the Town Administrator who have raised some concerns from on the town side um they didn't raise any concerns about the proposed um terms for the troop 100 um so it's still a little bit in limbo and and while we want to work with you and support you um and make this mutually um beneficial for both parties um it is Town own property and we ultimately have to defer to the select board and the Town Administrator so that's a little bit of a wrinkle that's come up in the last few days um and we'll have to see how that plays out um um so so I'm going to sort of stop there um I'm going to let you um tell me um you know what sort of your perspective on where things are at um I know you've reviewed and may have some concerns about some of the terms we proposing for the mou um and we can talk through that um and um let's see where we're at at the end of that we will have to wait and see what Town Council says um so it's it's not sorry agreement will be right now the current agreement is to try to get the move by mid July with the new wrinkle is that that's possibly going to kick that time back I don't know I mean we you know we're we've already pushed it back a little because the dumpsters are coming um we can temporarily put them someplace and not use them but you know the summertime of course is busy busy busy time um it it gets a lot busier um everywhere in town be nice if it get IR out sooner than later because if it turns out it's a no there's no need for the town to expend funds and manp power to get the area prepped and no need for the troop to expend funds in moving everything and getting reorganized time invol for that right if if I may be so old we review the agreement the agreement's fine other than there's one minor sticking point and that's that everyone needs to have landfill sticker to get in there many of the people don't have a landfill sticker they don't bring a trash to landfill either have pick up at home or they have a small dumpster or some people probably dispose of it at work in the dumpsters what and then we have a couple families that are non toown residents as well they're from you know surrounding towns and come to troop 100 um as for their their membership right so yeah that was one of the first issues that what flexibility can it be a troop type permit versus an individual vehicle permit um would be the first give or take there if possible um just for for clarity purposes it's requesting Insurance certificates but with no requested limits of coverage so that would have to be defined so that I can get a okay I don't I don't want to supply you with a $10 million coverage if you insurance binder from the council you did I did um yeah yeah we received that and so that was that box was T um CU you had we had been told in the past you had Insurance C again I mean being being in the business it's like you never give a certificate for more than what they're asking and then the third piece is just comes around the scheduling we do our best to get there once a week but stuff happens we can have conflicts with camping trips WEA so we again there's going to be a few exceptions out of the year we I can a little every week out of the past year let's just say we've been there every single week I get there there could be a situation where maybe we wouldn't but that is the rare exception we are there every single week you know middle of winter middle of summer um you know I I was almost hoping well I foresee we're going to take a downturn in how many donations we get so we're not going to have as much work to do every single weekend the tent we're going to get is a tiny bit bigger instead of 17 ft long it's 20 ft long and it's well it's basically the same width in the middle of winter when it's very slow and there's and we have more Barrels in there I could foresee that we would only have to go every other week because there's not as there's not possibly if there's not as much if there is as much donations we'd have to be there every week which we are um that's a yeah I'm hoping because we're seeing increased traffic that you know this will rebound I understood that any disruption in routine people have take a while to get used to it um I think that's less of a concern and maybe we can word that a little bit um more softly um when it's down below like in in the summer you know the I've been there when before the um troop volunteers have been there you know like close to like on on a Sunday morning let's say um and um it gets it gets pretty far you getting a lot of you're getting a lot of Revenue um but in the summer um also is when there you know the um people don't rinse out the bottle as well we should you know that could be something if you develop a flyer we talked about reminding people to then there's less bees and all that kind of um sort of associated but being in a separate segregated area makes that less of a of a concern um so I'm but also you don't want to see stuff spre spread out of all of L because we haven't gotten there for a while our history recent history and Our intention is to be there every single that's yeah that's what we go to summer we find a way okay um um we can I think we can uh work rework that Ure um uh you know regular clean up and sorting return of BS um weekly unless um unless not required or something like that um something like that uh so Ure regular generally the lawyers will yeah they'll figure something change it but now with the with the um need for permits yeah again because not all our amilies or even Town residents is what flexibility if any could we have since we're going to be down in lot three and not in the upper so I'm going to suggest um not being a town resident is not an issue you get a transportation sticker um I think it's important for us to be consistent um and everybody who uses the and I realized use is a is a loose term here for from your perspective but the town is making a pretty big commitment to make is and that's part of the sticking point with the town like we're expending Town funds on a non- toown activity so um you know we're making a pretty big commitment I think I would suggest if the troop you know if you have members who don't use the transfer station that you use your some of your fundraising Revenue to reimburse them or something like that that that that allows us to be consistent every everybody has follows the same rules you come into the transfer station you can you need a sticker and we don't have to you know if we staff who are not familiar that you know everybody has a sticker and that's that's that so I would hope that um you know that's something that I think given the um commitment of resources that we're providing that and you're getting a lot of Revenue um and it's true that we might have more if we people didn't recycle I redeem through you um but you know there's there's a a financial um it's a way of you supporting the transfer station and the operation allowing it to be there um by having everybody or the troop paying for um stickers for for for members to come in and that allows us to be consistent and not um because once somebody says well they don't have a sticker how come know can I it just it makes it easier for us um so I I I'd ask you to think about that and if that's something that you can uh work out internally um I'd really appreciate that it's it's not a do it do it right now we we only say we have a 10 leaders and parents that that do the work yeah um I could foresee hypothetically if we are troop grows and we have 30 members now it becomes that much more of a burden on us you know it's not going to happen soon but I just for see that as an issue for us um because we're not making more money we are spending more money um I don't know it's just for something for us to think about um I I yeah I I mean this as you've explained it to me this Revenue um uh supports troop activities to a great extent um and relieves a parents of Burden um um and that's great and and we don't we're not aware of any other transfer station or landfill operation that allows this kind of activity so um it's it's a pretty good deal um um so um I think as a good faith gesture if you agree to cover that cost however you work that out internally um that would be really appreciated has that always been the case like say currently right now or a year ago or five years ago like should we have had stickers I believe so if you look at the regulation it says yes everybody there's no back filling allow we've um you know we've been going there 20 years and this is the first we've ever heard of that nobody's ever told us that I mean I guess we could have read the regulations but well the music boosters did it for close to 20 years before us oh really I I don't it's been there a long time yeah I when I was active when I first got active right around plus or minus the year 2000 when my oldest son was in band music boosters and then shortly a year or two after the band the band was discontinued and there was still hoping to restructure it the the truth took it over up until about year 2010 I had a permit because I didn't I was best for my trash room was but when I started traveling every for work I was working out of state the trash would back up in the garage for a month so uh my wife one day called up for pickedup service and we've been doing it ever since so from that aspect it wasn't wouldn't have been a burnning on me but I like somebody like Bob who lives in dartman um he doesn't have a need for West permit but yet to come work and help us help out the troop well that's why I think I mean I would hope that the troop sees that as an investment in supporting the parents who are volunteering who are not transfer station users but it it just um there has not been a written agreement you're right it's been it's been a handshake gentleman agreement for five years um there have been some times they are changing yeah um and and but there some concerns about um safety and which why we sort of tweaked them um and we're going to be looking at our transportation regulations to try and um sort of uh be a little bit more um protective of the Town interest frankly um uh you know and I can't guarantee you that there's been discussion about closing the transfer station so I don't know how long this will last but um we want to make sure that we're doing everything to make the transfer station operation as successful for as long as possible to serve as many people as possible um and we want to work with you as well um so um you know that's that's where we're at um um I will say this is all contingent upon the select board and Town Council at this point um uh we've been outranked you know we operate the transport station but we don't we don't own it we don't own it can I ask what what the issues were that they brought up um having to do with the town committing resources to support a non Municipal um and um so uh that's my understanding I was not a party to that commition but that's my understanding um and so it may um there some concern about the what what we've written in our commitment we we're willing to do that informally you know that support all the supports we've talked about signage if you have Flyers you want to hand out you know helping direct people um there's certain things that we could probably cover slight prep maybe not but we have someone who can move the uh container yeah so that's on us um signage we could you you know as long as you you know say we make a proposal for these certain signs and you approve it we can pay for those signs and have them produced we give a Signature Sign okay um so that that's something we could do okay well that's helpful to know because we'll be working with the Town Council and yeah I can see the town's concerned with the prep the Prep Prep car especially cutting that road in is going to be a little bit more expensive um but from a safety perspective that's important I think um and helps with your traffic flow I think it will make it ultimately I mean yes you know there's a the transition period but ultimately a very um safer operation both for the scouts as well as other transport station users so I'm I'm encouraged that we can the scouts also are a great resource to Westport the Boy Scouts have done a lot of work in the town uh one of our newal Scout projects they did the parcking area for the house M uh projects they did the informational kiosks at the walking trails it goes on and on I don't I don't discount that at all so they really are a part of the town it's not a sep it's not a concern but it's um you know lawyers once lawyers get involved it it becomes AO project was at the landfill one of the one of the scout whose family was like dedicated to doing the the recycling they show up every weekend his Eagle project was a beautification program that's 15 years ago so it doesn't most of the signs of that have gone away except for the picket fence along on the right hand side the original flower bed there I think that's all that's left of it now but I mean he did a full Safety project repainting all the lines you're painting all the barriers um working on the gate time so yeah working on gate working like beautification of that he's one of cutting the original flower beds and stuff along the road leading into it um so we've done even projects at the landfill because again a turn yeah do a good turn return back to the town you guys have been very supportive us and whatever we can do to if it's non Financial what else can we do to pay our way yeah if it may not be in dollars but in Services right uh and I definitely appreciate that um and we're trying to be supportive um we I'm just saying that's not something I can promise or entirely control um but we um I think it's helpful to be reminded to that I can convey that of the the mutual benefits and that this is really um Beyond just the Redemption program that you your Scouts do activities around town that help help the town um um and that you know this is a um leaning lean leanly funded Town Administration so those kinds of supports are really important um and I don't want to discourage that and that's why we really had hoped to be in a place where we could just say let's just move forward but we've got a um wait here I just wanted to say something um you know we certainly support the Boy Scouts and all the they do um and the relationship we've had with the Boy Scouts for many years um using the transfer station um you know is one that we respect um and I think that one of the things that you're talking about is um that the work that the Boy Scouts have done contributing to the community has a dollar value and from a business perspective it might be helpful to come up with a number and present that to the select board should there be any questions about the contributions that um even though you're not a Municipal Employee but you've contributed um that may be it may or may not be helpful but I keep thinking of it from a business perspective which which we're dealing with budgets and and legal issues and all of that that we're that's our responsibility to take those all into consideration it might be beneficial to look at the cost benefit of involving Boy Scouts in town activities and the contributions you've make even just you know what a listing of some of the projects over the last 10 years that you've just enumerated you just put that in writing to us that will help us um even though our numbers are small they go out there and put out the flags for Memorial Day on graves that's right that's that's a big and it's a mutually you know it's a mutually beneficial relationship and so you know again we're in support of all that you do and what the bo Scouts represent but we also have to go um by some of the limits and restrictions that we've been presented with and that we're trying to work with you on so okay we'll take that on the advisement thank you for your time today thank you for your support as present and future um we'll propose the revised about the weekly clean up um we'll wait to hear from you about the um you know if this how that continues to be sticking point about the um transport station stickers I think we should just make a decision on the stick as it's yeah we'll do what we need to do so that's I'll bring it up to the committee and we to just well if you look at a business what you know your cost your cost well also I mean you know in a business you have expenditures and you have income you know so you and it might I don't know if you do that for the Boy Scouts talking about this is a business and how you oper well you so there's just another another layer and the legal stuff that comes in with businesses as well and all that it really is a great Educational Opportunity yes um and and we can talk about um the signage support that might help also help sweeten the case for us to make um so I appreciate that know if there's any size restriction material construction can can I just mention the signage in my head just so you can yeah have it in your head um when you first pull into the station at right before the booth yep there's a telephone pole that's mostly empty we could possibly put maybe a 18 by8 or 24x 24 sign um what it exactly says I haven't exactly figured out we moved something Boy Scout in the lower lot something and then where our um container is currently we we have um a long saw horse that we could put ass sign similar to what we have now a sign on the front of it with an arrow saying boys G it's lower law just so people will look in that area and know to go down there and then when they drive down the driveway to have a sign on the side of the driveway pointing at the entrance there lot three and then that's basically I mean maybe a Sign by on both sides of the entrance yeah maybe on both sides with the arrows and then possibly at the exit driveway to have another like Arrow saying exit here exit I think that's basically it exit and thank you okay um well if you if you um we we we'll we'll work with uh Matt you know on that um in terms of wording and and who can do what um and then we did suggest if you wanted to have um Flyers if you prepare some flyers that can be handed out you can remind them about the the thing good things you do in town please support the the troops and and here's some tip you know where we've moved to the lower lot and you know please clean your bottles of can whatever all that kind of stuff so it sort of can provide a dual message um um we can't prepare that that would be something that you have to do y we can do that okay thank you for coming in I appr appreciate the time um and I'm I'm hopeful that we can work things out with Town Council and and get to a mutually um acceptable whereas case we'll be we'll be given a termination notice and have to move out correct uh vacate notice yeah notice to vacate um we hope um and we'll work on the time you know we'll have to be flexible if it takes longer with this flight board um obviously we we need to give you enough time to arrange once the site's prepped we could probably in one to two weeks we would have 100% done okay ready to that's good to know so just um any other um take one weekend to clean it up and then one weekend to get it moved out yeah we may have to be closed down for that one week so that we're not collecting while we're trying to to move this stre oh okay yep um so that would be good to have a but a par move or just a noce you know some move the collections yeah we might have to work out both spots for couple weekends yeah the transition I don't know if we can do an E alert that just says you know Scout Redemption area will be closed this weekend for relocation and please please save your returnables until following week or something um we see what we can do that things with the higher ups and we hopefully will be persuasive all right thank you thank you very much for your time appreciate it yep okay all right um so moving on I think I covered most what um so topics for the next regular meeting um I think that's where we're at now um we want to uh definitely talk about tight tanks uh at East Beach and whether that is a regulation or policy um I mean my inclination is we should not be allowing new tight tags um and um um have to work that out mechanically what's the best way to implement something like that and make sure that um we all agree on that um the transfer station regulation we wanted to in um um in the process of doing this research for the scouts um Matt had uh Joe look at other Town regulations and many towns have these U requirements that children under 12 stay in the vehicle or sometimes children under 16 which I think is a little too high but um um for and as we get busier there it's the risk um of accident increases so so um that would be one thing and and um we can look through if there's other updates we want to do to the transfer station regulation so um if we can do that um and um we already have a full compliment of appointments for that okay for that already so and we may have to we'll get a maybe get an update from Phil on the well regulation and not actually and I don't know if we have he wants to so we had once the schedule working meeting okay first okay so we won't put it on that agenda we'll put it on a working meeting okay um any other topics for next meeting that Donna You' like can't think of anything okay um actually the opioid maybe no I was thinking of the the the septics we don't know what they are and where we're at with that cuz I I'm my next door neighbor um is has built some fencing and with the plan to put in a horse and to put in a barn and I said do you know what your septic system is cuz we don't and that would be helpful for if he had a plan if he knew if there was a plan available and um because he's planning on building but we don't we have no idea what's back there um well wouldn't a building per be required for something that yeah it would be if well it is but for building Barns and stuff like that but um you know if it's just a bar horse barn there's a good chance that we won't see it I mean um it's a discussion that I've been have ongoing with the building department that you know I'd like to see just about everything because of the concern that Donna has just because it's a barn that isn't going to be a dwelling with bedrooms doesn't mean we shouldn't see it I mean it because it could be located on the only place that they can well and it and it's right near the pipeline um it's right along the uh gas pipeline so they he owns that land but he can't really build over there because of that so it could be building on top of his up just not know that's well that's what I said to him I said this is just a a being a nice neighbor and letting you know that if you have the plan and bring it to the board of heal that would be helpful because you know whatever you're planning on building you could be building it right on top of your system so if we get the building permit we you know we do our research if there's nothing in the file that a letter goes out whole n yards but that doesn't really get started until we get a building application to look at yeah well so I'm just thinking about the systems that we don't know what's going on and if other places are constructing things on top of systems and let's put that on the working meeting agenda unknowns because um we have about 800 um and fill it I know point was talking about you know doing them in chunks and prioritizing based on you know location and so on um appr proximity to the river whatever I'm not sure exactly what is that's were on that but um it sounds like we have good two solid topics for a working meeting we should um okay discuss those two items so let's let's um when Jo is back we can come up with a proposed working inate okay um I that's all for me okay so being there no other business I move that we adjourn this meeting at 5:21 p.m. second all in favor I I that's unanimous thank you very much thank you guys