##VIDEO ID:BEi2C1_4k-c## few more minutes more minutes no I'm kidding kiding first August 20th meeting of the Conservation Commission stand with the flag please pledge allegiance to the flag United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God with liy and Justice good evening M good evening members good evening age we just need a $20 okay so we have first one is septic for Alex crap crepe 10 Hillside Road how is it spell said how do you pronounce the name craft craft okay isn't the f is you said we need $20 for what doing my best Camala Harris oh no no politics at the table you got to get home to work sorry looks like you fell out of a coconut tree jul Road the house is here existing they all the way to this side road they have a well right here this is a combination this lot was bought after this house was bought by a former owner and there's no room to put a system out to a Hillside Road because of that well and also Jing Wells so the existing system that I put in many years ago uh is located here and what we had to do is they guest house that this not included so we needed to get it we need to be 100 ft from the W so what we did is we used anx ax20 unit with a pump chamber here and pump up to a bottom of sand filter which is the smallest footprint that you can get the existing system was 59 ft away from the W here and it's now 58 to this point and the pink is the flood zone this is a a v20 and this is an a an zone so we're out of the flood zone except for a little bit of raining right here and we're 58 ft from what was the closest point and that's the best we can do what we got that's pretty much it but it is a d system with a c of you going to Broad Health yet yes all set good all right Chris Mr chairman Alex crap 10 Hillside Road this a request determination of applicability filed by Westport environmental design the report date is August 15 2024 as Lenny just mentioned it's Board of Health approved the V site visit was also on August 15 2024 description of work the owner has filed the replace the existing sewers Disposal system with a new title 5 design the work is within the buffer zone uh associated with cocki Pond wetlands are shown accurately and are and are a portion of the existing Wetlands closest to the proposed work the bottomless sand filter septic tank and pump chamber will be constructed beyond the 50ft setback to the flag Wetland erosion controls will be staked in place along the work area recommendations the Westport Conservation Commission should approve the repair of the septic system at 10 Hillside Road with a negative box 3 determination all right no questions right any questions from the table not a motion motion approve second it all right that was Jake and B all in favor all right I you that thanks so was it failed or they just making it bigger what's that was it failed or they just making it bigger going be a lot of those coming with all this new accessory apartment the state just allow this one guest house yeah be a lot of SE it's truly a guest house $3,000 week okay that's low end thank you thanks for the commentary Chris okay next we have uh this here Dakota aonso not 71 parsel 2 Old County Road construct single family dwelling garage septic pave driveway and deck in the buffer zone this is continued Mr chairman by the request of the applicant to September 3rd September 3rd day after the holiday the holiday when it's Monday when's Labor Day second yes second Monday the 2 all right u a motion to continue continue through September 3rd motion from Kevin second from Jason all in favor post all right that's continue um did we not bring that file down no okay all right next we have Thomas LOF notice of in 10 208 cabins NE Road maintain existing peer float ramp seaw wall install two piles the float support and land under the Waterway this is your buddy Columbo's name well thank you good evening chair Le northe Engineers Thomas W Pro this filing has a number se80 2760 uh what's being done here is this is an amnesty license that's being upgraded to a permanent license this is an existing dock uh with an existing configuration of a float uh there's no work being proposed on the seaw wall or Riverfront or any of the dock actually what we're only adding is two pilings on this side of the float so it can be jacked up in the air and it's very simple so we're going for a full-blown license uh the existing here 6 fet wide 13 by 11 it is what is been existing for a number of years as long as I've been around so uh this is very simple all putting in P you doing float stops on the pilings I'm assuming you going do four pilings oh no we'll have float stop it is it is actually there's a little bit of water out there there almost 30 in of water out there at low tide so actually a few spots on cab s this is on the east side of cab all right Chris Mr chairman Thomas Loftus 208 cadman's neck notice of intent filed by Northeast engineers and Consultants with Sean leech representing report date is August 15 2024 there is a file number with no adverse comments it's SE 82760 site visit was also on August 15 20 2024 the new owner has filed to license the fix pier gangling and float in his name name and install two new float piles the piles will allow float stops to be installed as required the area does not contain any Eel Grass beds as shown on the plan design also meets the Conservation Commission stock policy as Sean mentioned this is uh milk Dunham's for form of dock it's been there for many many years um it may not be necessarily something that they allow today with that 13 ft te at the end but that's something Sean will find when he goes to license it but at this present time they are installing two piles on the side of the float system um that is currently there so I recommend the Westport Conservation Commission should approve the two piles and require float stops to be installed at 30 in above the river bottom for the uh dock licensing at 208 Cadman Neck Road for Thomas Loftus found number SE 82760 do you have any questions comments you're going to get a chapter chapter 91 license yes yeah this is what for is an amnesty license and you're required once the uh uh real estate transaction is finalized you have one year to bring from an amnesty license to a full license oh yeah in the year time frame on a full license 30 years it's 30 years on a full license in same comparison to the interim which was well that's what the with the interim yeah lies yeah yeah that was 33 years I so how do what are the terms how do you get an ny what is an Endy license how you get amnesty was allowed in the early 90s when they gave a Grace per people putting said you literally have the send sketches to tell what you're it was a handrawn allowance not requiring an engineered plan there quite a few of them existing that have been the same family for a long time and then when happens and they hold you to the same standards as a traditional 91a yeah is it this way well you are applying if I made as a grandfather dock that was pre-existing so there were no prerequisites as far as now if you were try to do something you would have to meet the height and all those requirements but do they make you um this just out just my own curiosity do they you have to maintain like the the public access ways and the same yes okay any other questions no looking for a motion please I'll make a motion to um approve as presented second that was Jason and Jak all in favor oppos all right so unanimous [Music] unanimous welome good good so we have a certificate of compliance for Carl what is that mry Carl mberry 25 Seabury Lane se80 2499 chairman kle mberg mberg mberg yep 25 Seabury Lane this is C compliance with file number SE 82499 uh engineer Breet the South Coast engineering Greg Nicholas site visit was on August 15 2024 as well as the report date is August 15 2024 description of the work the applicant owner has filed requesting a certificate compliance for the single family home garage well and site work completed at 25c very Lane the request is accompanied with a letter from the design engineer and stating all work has been completed according to the plan of record recommendations for the board the West Bo Conservation Commission should issue a full certificate of compliance for file number SE 82499 as all work meets the plan of record all right questions concerns or a motion would be lovely move to issue the certificate of compliance thank you I second it okay and all those in favor oppos that was filling bur all right and next we have takes care of the agenda um Chris just just to make sure that um the spelling is different on our cover sheet here versus the that's why I pronounced it wrong it's mberg it's mberg okay this is correct on the agenda is mberry that's why it's not that I thought my glasses were messed up or my eyes but that would be Miss Leon F's little trick of the finger it's a g not a y you fat finger it okay so you are very correct it is Mo Berg all right so you have this letter Chris uh um do we need to talk about this or just going to sign it I would just sign it Mr chairman that is a complaint we received for a previous uh applicant uh a Russell minahan on the corner of Cummings Lane and Horseneck Road he is in cutting trees in the rear of the property which is wetland uh it's very evident on his plan of record so I just wanted to let the gentleman know that he is operating illegally in should not be doing it at night like um getting reports that he's doing it as so we're just trying to have him cease that cutting for again he has not stumped it or removed the stump so for right now if he stops I'm satisfied that he is have you already called them or to contact them no I have not at this moment all right all right well you can I sign the letter but if you want to uh give him a call and it wouldn't herur probably speed things up I don't know if I have I still have a phone number I can try chairman but um again all right bills Christopher Capone mileage $31.50 that was 67 cents a mile 67 69 67 yeah all right $31.50 motion pay okay Jake motion we have a second sure Kevin second all those in favor all right oppos all right sure made the motion all right so uh we have we don't need to talk about this is fine uh okay we have advertising East Bay newspapers for advertising $184 5 cents we need a motion to pay motion to pay thank you Kevin second second from Jake all in favor oppos all right minutes from 86 let's see I was here Jason Phil Kevin Bert and Tom so we can run these minutes anybody have any changes for the minutes if not motion to accept the minutes for August 6th 2024 accept the minutes you have a second down second all right thanks Phil all in favor oppos all right thank you guys being so attentive all right 611 let's see what we have W these minutes go back to 611 myself Jason Jake and Tom okay so we can't do those either we'll do those next year all right so that's all I have Chris what do you have for us toight how got some good violations going on town no Mr chairman um open space plan uh we're in the process of updating that um for a 7year update we're working with surface I will be meeting in a zoom meeting tomorrow with them to get that process going uh so that's just to give you a heads up the open space plan is very important for funding for Grant applications and actually it's a prerequisite before you can apply so this is important for you know the West part land trust and Buzzards Bay Coalition um doing some of the land Acquisitions or stream properties that they purchase for the preservation of those resource areas so that is something we will be moving towards in the coming months um just off record I just brought this up I just was Googling stuff the rain event in Connecticut um which I think most of you people have where lied um this was a 2.38 in to a 16.31% 16 I mean if you saw any of the footage that I I just was witnessing some of the arch cul ways that we try to install today were totally blown out so they're claiming this was a 100 1,000 year storm and it's got a 1% chance of happening every thousand years I just wanted to bring it to the commission's attention how significant um you know we are and changing our um storms and how things affect us so just for the record this you know if it jeopardized Westport we would be in some significant trouble so um just for the record that's all I have for your informational purposes all right nothing else to discuss nothing else to discuss 16 in areas 16 in I my office Oxford got 16 in yeah cuz my office was in New Town so some of my co-workers in South Baran Oxford and they said it was just yeah that's that's in 24 hours less than 24 hours so that a 7 in in 24 hours is a 100e storm there's two rows 37 7 in is 100e Storm 34 and 67 of major thorough far is basically through that area and they're both completely washed out in series there's a dam it's called the um Stevenson Dam completely gone completely breached and the road brings you all the way down to New Haven's gone yeah I get is it's a mess down there yeah so just for perspective how was that all REM of the hurricane from Florida no no it was not they totally did summize that the weathermen actually missed it they saw all the storm events going further to the West in Jersey and New York and actually this section from what they stated was the way the winds were working it was forcing the storm to keep recreating itself so as it dissipated it would start again and create another storm one after the other he didn't come this way yeah so portion of all we got the storm the other day the thunderstorms it was part part of that that front that was moving over but the stall over Connecticut we're working on a hazard mitigation plan for the town as well and this is just something you really can't plan for in event that this happens so well I mean just the postcript this is I might have mentioned this before but D has these regulations that they've gone out to for public hearing um uh on uh no uh no no buildings being constructed in the velocity Zone um you know uh ramping up storm water controls in a big way to to incorporate climate change and in the kind of treatment and and then um uh and docks under chapter 91 are also going to have to incorporate climate change uh and sea level rise in terms of the height that they're have so that's all waiting to hear what the EP is going to do with the comments correct thank you Phil yeah yeah so that's all I have Mr chairman um well I guess the next meeting's a little more lengthier folks so we just got hit with like six to eight hearings so I um can't promise you it's going to be as quickly as these past two meetings that have been very light Chris I have one quick question for you have you heard anything from DCR with I've a few people have inquired about the access road not at this well actually two of them were state reps not from Westport not surprisingly yeah um but they had more concern with what had gone on down there nothing yet they again they claimed four to six weeks which I would say we so I I can forward an email to Jeff McGee and Tommy vaulton and ask where they are with that I did just think of that I'm surprised the dp's not all over them being as cons conscientious as they are I don't think the ep's officials can see it from their dining room I thought they were hot the trout when you call them originally no they were more trying to coordinate with us to give them an emergency to allow it they originally angry with it orig Angry until they get a call from Boston when they got a call from the governor's office most yes and maybe that has changed some Dramatics of what they were opposing again historically There Was An Old Road under the stom but as we all understand say 12T of Dune has since colonized that area so that's a very similar story up at the noble I remember that story where the DP came down and slapped they slapped all kinds of threats and fines and stuff yes they did wouldn't let us clear off the existing road to the nille this cuz they said the Dune had moved I remember this very despite they being asphal evident below that washing off of the hose I said you know what you guys can't clear that off because the dunes have move there and you can't touch the dunes even putting the guard rails in we had very careful about the Dooms yes but if it's on state property you can take out 30 ft well we're going to work to resolution I'm just curious in fact that hopefully that there is some materials left on site that we can use to restore that area the old days there were certain trees in time you can cut down other trees you couldn't cut down depending on what street and what address it was that's for my rain is see well rain my rain before before I was installed as supreme leader it's your term of service supreme leader and we very commend you for your many years of service at least I do do I get a gold gabble after 20 years no he's been trying for a badge for like 10 years he can't get the badge so now I have a gold badge we we can make we can make you have an official bad I have my dog wear when he chases the pl you want you want to get like the the crw bomber jacket like they had in the original Master yeah but I need someone to like weather it for me so it looks like I didn't just get it you you should get a name plate like we have on the board of health you guys have name plates we have name plates what he wants is something like see the see the AL plaque up there he wants something like that up on the wall I don't want anybody to know my name because I look up where I live no it just say chairman on it you know that's right can I getair supreme leader anything you want no I'm fine I'm not sure I signed a bill for it but anything you want he's hoping that he can he can go another like 60 years so he can beat was it Jack mcdermit had the longest tenure assessor I think he the longest service yeah he was getting paid yeah so Kevin do you have a question I do real quick did everybody look at the PowerPoint presentation about the transmission line I did okay I F it to you guys I did not look at it so I I sat in the meeting today uh you know this remote meeting and the I think one takeaway which I asked a question about to clarify is that um uh so there's a Connecticut route and a Westport route y those are not Alternatives they are doing both they're going to there's a Connecticut route and a Westport they have a backup right it's not backup oh no really no no they they they're they going to have two um you know one is going to they're serving two different areas massachus through it's going to you know so it is it is going to happen it is going to happen yeah it is going to happen that is it's not an alternative there you have a station serving Connecticut and a station that's going to ultimately be in Fall River um which is I assume is the olden point you know see that's what I'm Excuse me I didn't mean to interrupt but I'm happy that you did participate cuz I keep getting as you were trying to get the answer to and I'm glad you did is it a backup route or is it actually going to be two routs in the very beginning it was a backup grout so this is why we have to be careful as a community to not be accepting anything they say um in a general sense because it appears that there's a lot of a lot of word playing that I don't think is something the tax pay is really yeah yeah I'm sorry we need to step on you no but the taxpayers I think need to know what obviously we have no say of 88 because it's a state road layout but we still have our jurisdiction which is going to be very significant so do they bury the cables on the beach or people can I propose they're going to directionally bore or try to propose something that in Westport is is difficult cuz we're a glacial till community and uh we have another proposal for a solar array off Division Road that has this very crazy approach of un boring for about 3/4 of a mile to Horseneck Road through significant Wetlands um that they haven't had approved yet which they Mass GIS Wetlands by the way they're not even physically flagged in the field so these questions I really are concerned with f as how they can control I know it's very accurate by way of you know it's GPS and it can come right out at the the person's mocked location it's just what they hit along the way so um one of so um I specifically asked the question and got an affirmative answer that it's not an alternative they're both they're committed to doing both there are two um alternative if you can see it on the map cuz the maps are a little bit clearer on on this you know two um different kind of entry points for the Shor line and then they kind of converge and then go up 88 and then cross over um into Fall River and uh so there's that part of it they also um gave information about um how deep and how why not on the maps but in the conversation which I tried to take notes on but it's also be recorded and have access to the recording but how deep and how how wide they are and it's and it's I don't I forget get like 20 ft deep 20 to 50 ft wide depending on and they have two cables they do it redundantly so if one cable goes out they can still have another cable oper operating and uh and then I don't know if I circulated oh so the other thing that's also relevant is that the state has jurisdiction 7 miles out from Shore so everything that happens it's either seven or three anyway anything that it's three okay so anything that happens from 3 miles in is going to go through the whole meepa process so there's also it's also that too so there'll be plenty of opportunities um to go through that before it actually gets to our desk so to speak so they going to trench for the cables 20 ft deep 20 to 50 ft wide yeah they yeah that's pretty I know yeah and then they're going to go under the river and they haven't really decided on the engineer engineering technique for that because you can do the same thing a horizontal directional drilling under the river but then there's also this tunneling thing which is which I I think they actually build uh you know some you know like a tunnel or some other way but they haven't they haven't proposed that yet okay but all this is going to take a year um like the next public meeting on this is until the beginning of 2025 uh so there's a h heck of a lot of information behind you know scenes so that's what I'm concerned with if they would have just come out and said it's happening now you're hearing it's happening and that's that's a big impact To The River and the concerns people have so when you look at the map offshore it looks like there's five different wind farms yes least different set least are they use the same cables they all put their own cables in um well I you know in the early days uh of it I think there was the idea that there would be shared cable um because it would be less impact you'd have you know or maybe there'd be a couple but they'd be shared and the cost would be shared and then you'd have less impact and I don't know the answer to this but you know so much has been shaken up right with companies you know breaking their contracts and um so I'm assuming that the uh Vineyard wind people want to go ahead so they're going to go ahead and do their own cable and you know maybe farms in the future once the whether these things are really viable or not will decide it's an economic thing to do but right now I think it's every P every company for themselves really because you can't really count on your partner to be there you know if well Vineyard wind is also in a stop order because of right right right right and they continue that they can't generate electricity they can do various things this is again from the presentation they can't transmit electricity but they can do you know studies and do things on there that's only one of the plat of them that that are out there so you're going to you still see them being sh out there but that's because they're other wind farms correct so they don't have to cease and desist only only the one has to stop Yes like you you going offshore the other day it's starting to look like water world it's it's starting to not even look humid out there you can see it today because it's a very dry day is insane dry no humidity so you can see the cranes putting them last was like 94 now there's 27 there is they're all built out what is it going to be a couple hundred of them 500 no at least 500 or more yeah the ones you see right now are 30 Mi offshore the ones that this Vineyard wind that would come through West be 50 off it's going to be larger than the state of Rhode Island when it's done the area yeah just it's just different you just it's it's just different well I think they will provide some habitat value but it's the yeah the cost of the impacts of the developing them that I I think we're seeing a lot of adverse effects well the other thing that I I did which I I could share with people I is um I looked at the meepa report uh the final uh environmental impact report um for the first project that which is actually the one that uh goes through where it's landing on the cap bar yeah the barn one which which is also a Beach entry and also going under a river and you can uh it's like a it's a 10-page report I mean it's a really big document because it has all the comments that that came to the secretary's office but you can the reason I'm raising it now is they they talk about the mitigation all the mitigation measures um including a very Hefty uh compensation to the town um so well I don't want the community and the powers that be be blinded by that compensation because we are in a financial constraint that's but sell the quaintness and the impacts of that could be longterm for the community but it's not all the mitigation isn't you know isn't for that you know I mean there's environmental impact mitigation you know um I'm sure there would be impact you know you there's millions of dollars already going to get money out of this they're already suing yeah but there's always as Phil saying there's already been money allocated towards such stuff yeah anyway thank you both for I didn't purview it I will absolutely now because I was finally looking for that so so the answer is when people ask us from now on like is it really coming to Westport you now say yes yes correct yes yes it is planned it is planned to come to Westport now you know that that is the plan and the irony is you know there have been a few people that have kind of been active on social media and there have been members of the board of Selectmen that said that the meeting was only to discuss the formation of a committee that there was no plans I mean that that was that was on social media as recently as what 10 days ago y yes very contested meeting because they didn't come to fruition with the appointment of people and they were back back there were members of Bo and Selman that said that there were no plans on the table period corre just it was just a meeting to discuss the possibility of some ad hoc committee or something I can't remember where I read this but I um and I don't know that they've I understand that John bull is going to be the chair of the committee and the and that the charter of the committee is to focus on impacts affecting the town and not to debate the or get into you know should there be wind farms or should they not being wind farms so it's taken that step I don't know that every com I don't know that every um committee that's what was discussed at that meeting was a charter and what their goal of that committee was that came that was sent out from the climate resiliency committee where you get that yeah that discussion Point came where where John bull was appointed and then Bob dalor was appointed the mission of that would be to address yeah Westport I guess economic benefits and not the like you said the viability of of off wind which found quite different than what the original discussion was at the select St board meeting so do so the last meeting when you weren't here but we talked about your appointment I my concern was that because of your situation that I don't think it matters at this point it really doesn't matter so yeah doesn't matter have we been asked to point anybody no they didn't put that out did they well they they did send something from Paul I was asking for people so I think this is I know there was a discussion in Jason did bring that point up but um there's also the ability for disclosures to be filed but if it's in the standpoint it's a done deal it's going to happen um I think that what's the committee going to do again they're going to be chartered to try to look at the impacts and and how it's going to affect the community so you did bring up the discussion of Jake being represented if there is a motion made I think we can move that letter to the board of Selectmen encouraging them to appoint Jake if the board so desires you still want to do it I'd like to be yeah I'm interested in see all right some want to make a motion motion to uh Jake recommend Jake to the board of Select wi committee committee you have a second second than Kevin all in favor opposed can we also make a motion for an interim for Phil Weinberg who's been very versed in it I I don't know if we can have an interim one I mean can we can we have more than one yeah I mean I don't think they made the makeup did they no but um so I'm on a lot of committees so I I I I demed on being being the idea that okay I'm going to have to like go to meetings I don't want I don't mind working again I didn't mean to say I didn't know if you wanted cuz You' been doing a lot of inth review CU I'm cuz I'm curious about it and really do appreciate that yeah you know and uh getting involved yeah and so and somehow and I can't remember I you know I got on the uh the boem list so I you know I get you know I I get the stuff um but I be happy you know to be behind the scenes or do whatever I can that's fine I I really do appreciate that so no motion needed for that and if you you know but if you want to do it Phil just you can bring it up and we we that can be your uh he'll be all the a sub your Yeah well yeah you need one more meeting to go to yeah but I do think you know and it depends you know a lot of the stuff is you know there's kind of the a lot of the stuff is fairly technical you know and uh heavy duty consultants and all kinds of you know stuff um but I do think um one besides advising the select board I mean one role of the committee could be you know getting engaged in the meepa process and you know submitting comments and you know really participating in that because that's where um you know mitigation and stuff becomes right and and uh and really you know forcing the applicant to make their case that this is what they're doing is the right way to do it is having you know avoid you know minimize and mitigate and that's or that you know maybe the it would come from the town rather than from us but I think but is it safe to assume that that they're going to land at a horse snake Beach that they've already got the deal the state done I mean they're not going to know that and plan this if it's not done yeah I mean I I I'd be surprised that they ended up you know picking all this state property without talking to people in state government about what their attitude is about it so I think uh you know that and I mean going up a right of way you know it's inherently not a bad idea right but I think these cables are two oh H um they didn't describe actually the size about foot diameter yeah I I saw the ones coming from the individual turbines and they were you know they're probably good 68 in G yeah probably foot yeah and I I don't yeah CU there must be you know they have to keep it away from the elements and stuff so which is as I say they're going down they're going down pretty deep um and much on cable yeah I I think that's going to be some of the concerns along that pathway as you know how many there's too much bedrock in some of those areas 20 foot I I think would be difficult in some areas and that was the discussion that I had with a representative for Vineyard wind to bring up that point is that they hadn't done any soil samples along 88 the entire way yet yeah usually they do borings every 50 and they not had the permission from the state to do it whatever they have not done it yet well again if they're utilizing the road layout of the uh never designed or never built rather section of 88 that is a very significant Wetland now to get access into there is is limited so well I think how closely can they run that along the road along the existing Road or or Gully how close can it be I think secondarily is the concern from a conservation standpoint is you have three or four pretty important freshwater streams Kirby Brook Ang line Brook and others that go through this snow Creek um that go either under 88 or over the other way so you know I think there's some concerns with the impacts to those that you know need to be addressed how they do that but ignoring the river it's not a cable that can be put up on a pole either by you describing the size of it it appears that yeah it's not capable of being suspended so and that's why they will have to go into the river because that bridge does open so there's no way to you at you know that corre whether it goes on the West Point side or the M side I don't know did they lay that out did they have a well there it it it's mat but not at a not at a scale that you can really tell that but there's all um uh I so I think that on the vineyard wind uh you know on their web page you know they presented like this massive do document to um to boem and I think that there may be more details um in there that were presented at at this PowerPoint presentation which may get down into not that they've deally done soil soil bearings but actually lay out the root a little more clearer I I haven't I haven't dug into that but there's time like I said that the next public meeting isn't until sometime January and February of 2025 so so and I think that's part of depending on what the committee sees as its role and you know who's going to who's going to dig into this um and uh and all you know and all these other um you know state agencies you know czm and uh um you know Fish and Wildlife and all these people are going to be weighing in um and so a big piece of it can be coordinating with those you know with those people you know who were on it and um you know getting them to listen to what our concerns are at the local level and I think you're seeing from the local level a slight rise in opposition that didn't exist prior to with the turbine failure and that's out there and Tra continuing to wash up on beaches and in Westport so that has opened people's eyes along with the impact of obviously the the marine marine life but before that happened I don't think you know it was in a better spot I think now the question becomes is we're you know where the community is with respect to whether they want to be a part of this or not that's the problem I think they're going to have from a Public Relation standpoint yeah and Phil did they discuss what happens to the cable once it goes up to the V8 the cut then there's it maps how it how it crosses onto Fall River yeah it goes up to 195 and I don't Somerset is it Somerset or is it fall river or does it go over to the somerset well if it goes over to the bra and point plan it goes under the tot and River over to suers that's it radiate somehow through I mean they're going to they going to do this Subterranean they could use a CSO to well yeah I don't yeah you know again you know again it's the uh um you know the scale of the of what they're um what was presented at this particular thing wouldn't wouldn't um give you the specific yeah and I didn't you know but if if you got copies of the PowerPoint you you'll be able you'll be able to see it and maybe then if you you know kind of blow it up on on your screen you'll be able to because you guys know the area so well you'll be able to just Rec I don't want to be too forward thinking but maybe it would make sense for the state to actually say if we have potential for find five wind farms we either build one big tunnel and let every and everybody use the same tunnel or you know instead of doing this five times but I wouldn't want to be too far thinking you know well that's where the grid has to be separated taking the power though that's what I thought it was they can't dump it all into the same source so they kind of are trying to spread cables in one big conduit right I mean you know instead of having five borings why not just put one you know three or four foot you know pipe on the ground and just say probably run your cables in here right right well the New London Landing was they said was the primary One Westport was allegedly secondarily but if New London could take all the power which they probably can't that's why Westport would not come into play obviously we know there's something going on behind the scenes but that's what their argument was is who could take the most power and that's why it goes up through bonable and you know in different areas and who who takes it whether it's eversource or National Grid or whatever um with respect to that so and maybe it's just a snapshot in time you know I mean that is so right now the message is these are two um distinct routes you know going to two distinct substations and they want them all they want them both analyzed now and approved or not approved and but I it maybe ultimately up to the Vineyard wind as to what they proceed on or the timetable that they that they choose to proceed on it so it's like since you're going through a five-year process to get there you don't want to you might as well put everything that you want to do out and and get the green light or the yellow light and then decide what to do and figure out how much money I going to put into this right now easier just go on Scott River under waterer and then take a right I think it will be easier to recognize that we got the first big dig horribly wrong and we should probably know what we're doing before we start version 2.0 yeah like that would make well you know there's there's a lot of European experience in this and all these PE all these developers are coming over from Europe to do it to do it here and they've been really pretty successful in Europe so it's not like uh I think some of the stuff that happened The Big Dig was like the first time right people were kind of doing this doing this kind of stuff in in the location that they were doing it how come these buildings are on wood pilings we're wondering 15 times over budget it's no big deal all right motion to ajour move to ajour sorry second all in favor that's oh that was Phil and Bur