hasn't been given an address yet Len has it no from the assessors no thank you still zero zero Shirley yeah zero Shirley correct again West Design representing Tim Brown on theot that fronts on Street BL Neck Road and Great Neck Road through there North is to my right the it's it's a new construction and we gotest in the back the going go to go up front we have uh I forget the name of the book but there's a big Brook down here it's called GL and the two1 for setback from that Brook is right up in here comes right down through here so halfway through the propos system the uh this far way I I can get it and make it work this system because it's in construction has a denitrification unit into standard each field uh can't get much better protection than that and we have a St plan to take care of the run off on the roof etc etc so the issue here is the proposed system will be in the it's 189 ft to that stren and that's pretty much it right Mr chairman this is Tim Brown uh Shirley Street zero Shirley Street address request for determination of applicability filed by Westbard environmental design report dat is July 2nd 2024 the site visit was also on July 2nd 2024 description of the work the owner has filed construct the sewage Disposal system in the riverfront area this is a pre-existing lot prior to 1996 River protection regulation the site is across the road from The River's Edge and activity would be 180 ft away the remaining portion of the work is beyond the 200t distance and on Shirley Street the site has no other alternative locations due to the well setback requirements the clearing of the lot should be limited to install the leeching field in maintaining vegetation um Vista pruning is permitted in Riverfront area to trim the existing trees no alteration beyond that should be allowed what I'm basically saying Len is they should try to maintain some vegetation here I have a feeling they're going to want to clear it right so that they have but okay as long as we just cuz we are in the river front M I know the road is there as as you indicate but so that that is just a comment want to clear cut that question we we thank that for that but that's just out there for people to hear that recommendations for the commission the Westport Conservation Commission should approve the work on a negative box to determination with the condition that remaining Riverfront area vegetation be maintained and no clearing is permitted only Vista pruning that that may be allowed in that area that is all Mr chairman did this go to the board help yes all approv subject to okay all right and no other problems or questions with Chris's Coles no okay the L was created in 1956 a street well all right do we have a motion I'll make a motion to uh to approve Chris's recommendations we have a second I second second from bur all in favor I post all right that's the thank you L thank you all right Pro prop Paving and excavation 493 American highway so 498 chairman again renewal time of year for stockpile permits this is pro Paving and Excavating located at 493 American region Highway a commercial area circum at number 498 report date is July 2nd 2024 the site visit was also on July 2nd 2024 for description of the work the owner has filed to renew the stock bi sment at the location of 493 American Legion Highway the property is used to store materials to the owner's business area is in good working order uh there's no resource areas associated with this recommendations the Westport Conservation Commission should approve the permit number 498 for one year for prop Paving and Excavating 493 American Legion anybody have any questions look for a motion move to approve uh the permit for number 498 for one year thank you Phil you have a second second it second from BR all in favor oppos all right next on the agenda is uh where see Alexander ex Excavating 111 Main Road permit number 495 Mr chairman again Alexander's Excavating located at 111 Main Road this is renewal of soil permit number 495 report date is July 2nd 2024 as well as the site visit was on July 2nd 2024 description the owner has filed to renew the stocko soil permit at the location of 111 Main Road the property is used to store materials for the owner's business area is in good working order uh for the record Mr Alexander has a zba approval uh for his location being in a residential area uh recommendations West par Conservation Commission should approve the permit number 495 for Alexander Excavating for one year any questions okay without a motion I move we approve the permit number 495 for one year second hold on so this this on the on the permit it says 494 is it 494 what it says on here God bless you 494 please get it right I apologize just just make the motion again to approve 494 please I move that we approve permit number 494 for one year all right thank you that's my full sorry B I mean b and Phil all in favor oos thank you always to take care of you I guess they'll never live it down my eyes are failing me which is not good okay George Brown 1109 Main Road s number 488 verifi how do I do I got to read the read the report and then I'll let you know Mr chairman George Brown 1109 Main Road soil permit number 488 this is uh report date July 2nd 2024 the site visit was also on July 2nd 2024 description of the work the owner has filed to renew the stockpile soil permit at the location 1109 Main Road the property is used to store materials for the owner's business the area is in good working order no resource areas involved recommendations the Westport Conservation Commission should approve the permit number 488 for George Brown for one year all right any questions no questions motion make a motion to approve 488 for one year second second fulfill all in favor oppos all right let's see okay now we're on to hearings we have Bernard o Keith notice inent 158 East Beach Ro perform Beach maintenance you have that no who [Music] who I don't know good I have no one all right we'll go back to that after okay John con notice of attend 1634 y drift Road rehab structure at patio and Landscaping in the riverfront area is anybody here from Mr [Music] can all right Mr chairman just quickly for the record I thought Sean would be here um there is not a file number for Mr canan's application so there was some concerns for activity on this application um so Sean again on behalf of his client is requesting continuance to the next meeting of July 23rd um and he is to clarify why the file number is is a sitting area and the the did not uh like the fact that he was utilizing more of the riverfront so Sean was willing to remove that and uh free submit the plan to the state so I request on behalf of John canine 1635 1634 y drift Road a request to continue till July 23rd 2024 all right so we have the motion to continue John con 1634 yde dri Road till July 23rd so moved okay that's filled we have a second second second for B all in favor posos we do have the green cards for the file too Mr chairman those are provided all right that's unanimously continuance is cumings Lane cour notice in inent cumings Lane rebuild existing stone wall in the river front area is that also a sh that's you sir all right uh should I speak now you there and I got this here it might be easier to see absolutely that's fantastic can you Chris could you just hold that while you speak thank you um can you just St your name please uh my name's uh Jack Wilkins I'm the secretary Clerk of the Cummings Lane Corporation okay thank you um we Cummings Lane owns 200 ft of waterfront on the East Bank uh East Bank East Bank of the East Branch River gives 31 residences an opportunity to use the Waterfront in common access uh next to the Salt Mar over the last few years we've uh experienced significant erosion especially in the winter with some of the storms that we had and the Waterfront has starting to kind of wash into into the river we submitted a plan at your April 30th meeting and uh the commission had questions about how to prevent the plan impacting the title Zone and uh more wanted more detail to be provided so we we got avt Associates of Dart to come back and create a new plan which we're submitting today the plan is to build a new rock wall a minimum of 5 ft back east of the title Zone the wall will be 3 feet wide 4 feet high with a couple feet buried into the soil at our annual meeting excuse me on June 1st 2024 all 31 Cummings Lane residents approved submitting the plan to the conservation committee so that's why we're here now due to financial limitations c l corporations plans to construct the volum phases phase one which to protect the areas that have seen the most erosion are highlighted in red here so that's what we would do first and during construction we would use a straw area to Plate prevent straw or uh soil from washing to the river future phases would be constructed as funds become available this will this uh two-phase plan will also allow us the opportunity to observe how well this structure works before we do any more work further to it that's the South so we Cally request the Conservation Commission to approve this revised plan to eventually construct a wall across the entire prop okay I'm just going to put it over here so the camera can catch you okay sometimes gain this in for for others so can be seen on TV thank you uh Mr chairman correct this is a continuance of the Lanes Corporation Cummings Lane uh as Jack mentioned there's 31 residents within that area plans provided by avt Associates this is a notice intent with a file number given for SE 82727 the report date is July 2nd 2024 as well as a site visit on July 2nd 2024 I also met earlier with the the um land owners at the property to go over the Revis plan description of the work the Cummings Lane Corporation has revised the proposed plan for the rebuilding of an existing stone wall the new wall will be constructed further Inland of the existing to eliminate any salt marsh alteration the wall will be 3 ft wide and approximately 4 ft in height the corporation will not be financially able to build the wall all at once they propos to build in sections and progress with more as they acquire the needed funding the work is a preventative measure to protect the coastal property from title events uh flooding further Inland as a lot of properties have seen this winter resource areas impacted the flood zone Riverfront and buffer zone the reason for this continuance was the fact that the wall was trying to be rebuilt in the location of where it is and there is a marsh immediately in front of the wall this activity obviously would have been disruptive to the marsh so it it's recommended to leave that wall in place act as almost a barrier and build behind it so that is what this plan represents um that wall out in front towards the marsh and that fashion is not to be touched that again all that area was subject to 91 and is not proposed to rebuilding just DET terminous wall right along the edge of that Waterfront recommendations Westport conservation should open I should open and should approve the proposed stone wall reconstruction above mean high water and away from the marsh resource area with standard conditions for file number SE 82727 and I believe the date of the plan I don't know if I have the date of the plan Jack umed on May 10th 2024 thank you it's yeah it's it's on it's over I got it thank you if you leave a copy of the I have a small copy of the whole thing if we good see know it's only good for uh 3 years after renew it if you don't yes I understand that we understand that okay any other questions I I have ask a question so how did you pick the height of 4 feet um this was the avt um uh Carl B Aqua who's a engineer he designed the wall and he suggested a 4ot wall bearing it a foot and 1/2 to 2 ft in the ground and 2 and 1/2 ft or so above I was just curious cuz you know there's a lot of data out there about you know um sea level rise and how it's affect going to affect properties you know along the river and you know well is the this area here is is approximately 4 ft above high tide made High currently high tide current current mean high tide now as we all know it's has it has been going up a little bit over the that last few years right right so the top of the wall would be somewhere around 6 to 7 ft above high tide okay meain high tide okay I'll be the first one to admit that during some of the storms we had last winter and the year before the water has come up over across this road here and probably was maybe as high as 6 ft above yeah the norm the normal mean high side for for an hour right but but our our our of this wall is if you get a northwest wind or Southwest wind with a high tide it starts to really beat itself here and so I the barrier is designed by Carl we're we're hoping that will prevent the washing away the soil and into the marsh for that matter I the dirt is going into the marsh no no yeah I appreciate I don't know if that answers your question no it does it does I just you know just thinking about what would look like in 2030 or 2050 that's you know kind of it's hard to build I'm not about I mean because it just I'm sure it's not inexpensive to do this and so no it's not you know it's not the small amount of construction here is is about $6,000 to do the whole thing probably 20 to $30,000 right that's what I mean so you may think it's going to be worth a you know last a lifetime but it may be a decade you know that's what I'm just okay all right if I just may add Mr Jim through the chair it's they cannot build a barrier to prevent I know all storm action so of regulations do allow a minimist type event so we all I'm sure some people would like to see you know a concrete that was another 10t high wall and not have to worry about this for quite orever we would potentially say but the regulations do not cuz Again by doing this you exasperate potentially right increasing flooding to others so I think their approach is rebuilding something that's there but taking it Inland does I see okay eliminate the need for other alterations so thanks for the clarification no worries any other questions done motion so I'll move to approve the proposed stone wall as uh delineated in the plan second second Jason all in favor all right that's I have I have one question do we need to get something from you before we start construction what is the next step yeah well I'll be issuing you an order of conditions which is your permit to do the work okay thank you and then you are good for 3 years you make note of the expiration you notify me 30 days before that and we can uh initiate another three-year extension okay thanks no way thank you thank you Robert Haynes third andr zero s world to determine if resource area depicted on the planet accurate [Music] yes we do engineering for Robie property off of road it's the east side of the J handle which com off the east side of that behind the W property roughly 10 acres is the line it comes up through here which U Go frost by dumil eventually all the way out to Road so what we have here in front of the commission is an anrad we have two BBW delineations 100 line 200 line and this plan represents the adjustments that were made in the line following the S visit but Chris one flag here that was mve so this is what we have is UPS on the east side of property that's part of the um of this air never going to be done there anyhow but I'd like to mention to the commission there two pawns on a propit and details on plan describe them as being too small for a pond also don't have the capacity of being an is land subject to flooding however one of these pawns to the South it's hard to tell on the Mass mappa website is designated as a potential ver pool so Chris would like to have the opportunity to investigate these in the spring to see if either one of these are R pools we're fine with that turns out what the results of that investigation are should there be something you bur pool that we incorporate that of the CH when the time come the time comes then the Govern is done with property all other things we have to go through before we get to that so that's pretty much what I have for Mr chairman if I may have a question to the engineer can you just refer back to the access just mentioned to the board you made it seem like this access is passable just for the record a pass things going to DET ter it's right the access is passable to the to and there's a comes over here this P here is know by Alexander Smith there's an East that Mr H has access to property off it determination don't have to be status of this of this way right is it an ancient way I don't know is it a way exist try to control D has no front itself above 1930 so I would argue it is but that's fine I just wanted askre so there is an access but again it's it's of ancient status to a point it is passable right to the entrance of where Mr uh Nicholas is representing the Wetland areas this is Robert Haynes III zero Horseneck Road uh this is abbreviated notice of resource area delineation filed by Greg Nicholas with South Coast engineering the report date is July 8th 20124 there is a file number it's SE 882751 uh the site visit was also on July 8th 2024 with the engineer present description of the work app is filed to determine the extent of the Wetland resource areas on the property located in the woods off a Horseneck Road the parcel is 10 acres in size the portion of the wetlands again this is a portion of the wetlands have been identified and shown on the revised plan dated July 8th 2024 the wetlands will walk with the engineer and review the two isolated land sub of the flooding areas located on the site one of the ilsf areas is listed as a potential veral pool on the mass mappa site you saw the handout I gave you just for Greg for reference it you know it is the large one that's indicated not the smaller area um based on their liar um on that um the Wetland line again has very much supportive information um he did extensive soil data and one flag was adjusted flag 102 we adjusted at the beginning of the uh delineation closest to the uh laneway all others were determined to be accurate the ilsf areas cannot be determined at this time as the breeding season of vernol species has passed a note has been placed on the revised plan requiring these areas to be further reviewed in the spring so therefore we're not necessarily are we proving that at this time so recommendations the Westport Conservation Commission should approve the Wetland delineation uh that would be the Wetland 100 series and wet and flag 200 series as shown on the revised plan dated July 8th 2024 only again I want to make note this is not a full delineation of the lot only a small portion of the area the ilsf areas require a further review during spring greeing season for veral pool determination that's all Mr chairman thank you any questions no it's just that I'm not to what's that small you call them ilss just just in general until they are again you are correct they are not necessarily qualified as that I'm just trying to reference them in some manner rather than calling them puddle one and puddle too yes I I do agree for the record that they are small in nature and may fail to be uh ilfs by definition do you have any questions from the table question from the audience no okay you have a motion I'll make a motion to um approve the wet one's delineation is shown you have a second right nothing second that was Phil second all those in favor thank certificate of compliance for Diane M 1636 drift Road se-1 1233 correct Mr chairman the again we have a few tonight these are kind of older um applications that were never closed out so this is Diane Miller this one dates back 1999 I believe or 2002 I'm sorry this is 1636 RN estr Road this is part of the abdine condo area this is a certificate of compliance request for file number SE 81233 on the date of this report is July 1st the site visit was also on July 1st 2024 description of the work the owner is requesting a certificate of compliance for the work that was completed in 2002 uh the work actually was a rebuilding of of the home and septic repair the work was completed in accordance with the plan of record recommendations Westport conservation should approve a full certificate of compliance for file number SE a1233 for Diane melow RNs drift Road 1636 RNs you find it no right 243 all right I uh this one this is one that's man you can just take a vote and all right well we got to go back name anyways right yeah all just make sure it's I I I set it okay all right do we have a motion for the Dian B uh of compliance move to issue the certificate for file number sc80 122 33 all right a second second that was bur pH bur all in favor oppos I'll abstain from this one all right Jason abstained abstained excuse me uh Carl man 21 we'll sign that just a minute Carl man 21 Kelsey's way SE 89833 that [Applause] report a lot of paper here all right Carol and Paul man Kelsey's way compliance 7124 was the report date DP problem se890 3 uh site visit date was 7124 detailed description of work the owner is requesting a certificate of compliance to the work that was completed in 1998 the work was completed in accordance to the plan of record the West Conservation Commission should approve a full certificant compliance SE 8983 anybody for a motion from somebody a motion to issue the cic compliance motion from Jason have a second second second F fill all in favor I post that's the first one I don't that was uh this one demands all right next we have bu Bay Habitat Humanity uh 69 to 631 Sodom Road se80 260 1 correct Mr chairman was a Habitat for Humanity 629 631 this is a duplex structure that they built on this property report dated July 2nd 2024 um the file number for this project is SE 82601 site visible is also on July 2nd 2024 description of work the app is followed with a letter from design engineer stating all work as been completed for the duplex structure on the property the lawn area is ceeded and stabilized all work has been completed according to the planner record recommendations the Westport Conservation Commission should file a full certificate of compliance for file number SE 82601 for Buzzards Bay Habitat to humanity all right any questions if not a motion move to approve the full um certificate of compliance motion fulfill a second second second from J all in favor oppos all right next we have mg govern properties 5 aom Road se8 2430 Mr chairman this is unusual but this is the same property this order can condition was filed by the prior land owner M Government properties the work was never commenced on this order of conditions so this is request for a certificate ofy iance the file number SE 82430 the report date is July 2nd 2024 the site visit was also on July 2nd 2024 description of the work the applicant is filed with a letter from the design engineer stating work was never commenced on this order and has expired so recommendations the Westport Conservation Commission should issue a certificate compliance or file number SE 82430 as no work was commenced there actually is a box on the certificate appliances that allow such actions okay any questions not a motion move to approve the certificate of compliance we have a second second all right we have all in favor motion to recoup the 30 years of back taxes that would never paid on them I'll make a motion for that all in favor I oppos okay you that this one okay Robert Patricia Hart net 126 Southshore Road SE 82112 Mr chairman Robert Patricia hartnet sold this property on two transactions ago this however was left hanging this Southshore Road property file number SE 82112 this a certificate certificate compliance request um the heartnets owned the property at the end of Southshore and they uh had to on numerous occasions rebuild the access to get to their lot this was an order of conditions uh that went through the permitting process um through natural heritage and such and they utilized it for uh the years that they own the property the new owner currently being sold again has found this outstanding issue so the owner again on this is requesting a certificate compliance for the work that was filed to maintain the beach lot and access from Grove Street the parcel has been sold and the C is needed to clear the title and for the sale of the property recommendations West B conservation should approve a certific compliance for file number SE 82112 we actually have a sub subsequent order conditions filed by the new owner um that has already been approved so I don't know how in his transaction this was not seen but um so for the record this is a release of a 21 12 file number all right you have a motion motion to approve the certificate compliance second second second fulfilled all in favor last certificate of compliance with johnica BW gier Road SE a1566 this is a it's old one well Mr chairman John cabal gford Road file number SE 81516 uh the report date is July 3 so you know the the fil say 1566 let me just see what the dis so is the I guess lately I am let me just see what this is66 see I want you to get it me correct me I love it 1566 Mr chairman yes I need that importantly because make sure it's correct on the application this is an old order conditions Mr chairman issued to Mr cabw the work was never commenced um it actually was appealed and superseded on state level how this order got record recorded I I'm not quite sure but so this is subsequently affecting a sale of a longb Built Homes property that is adjacent to this bigger piece of land so this has nothing to do with that but again this property has a blemish and it doesn't have a clear title so this is a request to remove that order of conditions um with the notation that no work was commenced the Westport conservation should approve a ser C for the release as work was never commenced for file number SE 80566 and you can see how easy it is to get confused with 1516 and 1566 not really not really must be running for president all right all in favor sorry have a motion motion move to approve thank you do a second second okay that was filling for all in favor oppos all right that's the Mee without making a motion I know about it I don't think that we can just assume that his silence is necessarily A yes vote there are times he's been like grumbling and it's almost been a not so this is 1634 y this is over there okay so now we're going to recall bernardet o'keef notice in 10 158 East Beach Road before Beach maintenance yeah I no no one's here we're going to continue that to what what the DAT today 7:23 7:23 so I need a motion to continue bernardette o' ke notice of intent uh no file number yeah continue no there's no file number either Mr chairman continue to 723 we get it wrong any we have a motion Jake stay farm so moved thanks Phil we have a second second thank you B all in favor oppos all right that's your when you use the word plowing the beach I don't think you're going to get a v is that what was in their application they would have plow the beach the beach no sound sounds pretty you know pretty basic bring in a D9 and take care of that okay so let's look at the bill Christopher oh again Jason I must be $566 oh that's good we have well these These are PCH so we have to on these or just no I just need sign all right those just purchased Mr chair I sign all right okay deal on that not deal on that okay so we have Eastbay media advertising for hearings $246 I need a motion to pay motion to pay motion Jason do we have a second second second from Jake all in favor oppos say another Eastbay media $184.50 for advertising motion to pay motion to pay Jason made a motion to pay have a second second J all in favor all right that's unal s maew is $461 motion to pay motion to pay May second second thank you Phil all in favor oppos all right sale minutes of 611 presents myself Jason Mr McAn Tom so we cannot vot on this yet we do not have enough live bodies here okay also in the folder we have a letter Chris is going to go over and a East Beach Road stor deposit cble inter policy that sounds exciting two letters well can can we can I just interrupt a second are we we're not voting on this letter right this is we're not not this specific letter no this is a letter before the selectman review okay so the first letter I'd like to talk about is the cble policy which is if you flip it over I don't have oh you don't have it I got one for you pass that around so my question nothing left for us to vote on I've got a family commitment that I could help out with if we don't need we don't need any more votes right well there is yes there is a chance to utilize funding for this grant so why don't we do the Grant and not worry about the C okay so the other letter I have Mr chairman is a request for our support which the selectman agreed on their end last night uh to sign this letter of support for a grant to the coastal zone resiliency czm uh uh Grant application this is to endorse a letter for the Grant application uh this is for a beach management plan to be determined for the B beaches uh of East Beach Atlantic a and beach a um so these is something through a grant process that we will try to establish protocol on what we should do to maintain these areas or what we should not be doing uh in these areas so this is something to give the town some guidance which this Cobble policy Falls somewhat into play with that um but for this intense purposes there is a 10% match funds are required for this um I feel the wetlands fund has adequate funding obviously this community is a little strapped for cash and I think this would be a good time for us to utilize 10% match funds I'm thinking it's coming to about 10,000 $10,500 which would be our match funding so for the record Mr chairman I ask that you support that letter you sign that letter with a motion and agree to provide a 10% match uh if we receive this czm resiliency Grant application all right do we have any questions want to make a motion so I move that uh we um spend the 10% matching br to facilitate uh a uh the coastal resilience plan in conjunction with coal Zone management okay we have a second I'll second it okay second all in favor that's so bail good yeah you can go sliding your letter back or you want to take it home and read it yeah take it home and read it okay something one here gotra one we good okay thanks okay all right see you guys I make a motion to excuse Jason from the meeting I don't get up anything my phone still on I don't second that um Mr chairman thank you for that uh the second part or a different is the East speech um members and Association has been pushing the Selectmen to some resolution of where the materials that wash into the roadway should go um this policy has been written by the administrator to try to adhere to some of their concerns um I I the only concern I have under what they're requesting is the fact that I think the materials should be divided between the southernly and Northerly sides of the road right down the middle of the roadway and not all southernly uh given to um discussing this with czm during our pre-conference for this Grant application she did not recommend it all going in One Direction um not to get into too much detail but the barrier is trying to adjust to climate change and it's doing so it's moving Inland which barriers do by us constantly pushing it the other direction in her opinion causes there to be more severe erosion uh than less so again this is a practice that's been going on for many years um but now since this past two events this winter it really got contentious um when the material wasn't cordially handed over um to these lot owners which again not getting into the legal part of anything the are proposing to put the material within the road layout and the owners of the properties would be responsible to move it to that point it's not to be spread by the town I have no problem with any of that again I only recommend that we make the minor adjustment that the materials be divided between the North side of the road and the south side of the road and not all materials go to the stly properties that is my recommendation and I would forward comments of that to the administrator for his in uh implementation in this final review of this policy scheduled for I believe their next meeting in July I just think this is going to turn into a nightmare for the town yeah you know someone's going to get more C the next person and the guy down the road is going to is washed more norly but it's going to get put a lot two lots down and I just don't know why the involved in it how I agree with it normally and subtly and what the chair is saying how do you what if a property owner decides they don't want or the the stuff on the South Side the South Lots owner doesn't want but the person on the North wants to Vice ver like what who's I mean how they are they going to fight over they think run a v plot on the Middle Road push to sides and whatever that's my recommendation fre Mr chairman it is becoming for a free-for-all they've they've chastised the town to the point where in my opinion for the record I don't think what they're making the town do is legal I think once that material washes it is owned by others and not them anymore and that's the regulation of um the action of accretion accretion is the accumulation of material in these type of storm barrier Beach areas so the law of accretion does not agree with what they are saying so but they've been very pressured by the these land owners and I just only wanted to try to make it fair that it was divided if the commission feels tonight that they think this is which again I don't find it to be very difficult to implement and not have contentious issues people were stealing the Cobble that the town spread they were going showing up on Saturdays with Bobcats and taking it and and it was just a free-for-all then they would the woman on the South Side North Side said you can have my stuff and they were scraping it off there to bring it to the South Side so the South lot owners think that this additional adding of material again I I think we all see why we're applying for this grant we're looking for guidance on a scientific point of view on how we can maintain this roadway or not maintain this roadway that's what we are you know discussing with this Grant application what is the town's steps in order to preserve or should we withdraw so all these things are going to be discussed so for the this sake of this Caro policy I thought it was just generally simple although we may not agree with it just to say we spread the material and divide it in half where we feel that some's going where the barrier wants it to go and some is going where the landowners want it to go and kind of makes it a medium so there's I mean on this on this point the thing that kind of jumped out at me as far as practicability of implementing it is that it requires the cleanup so to speak to um return the C to its point of origin that's the version that I written it doesn't refer to that and I'm trying to imagine how how is that possible to be done because it it's getting washed you know all over the place so which is different than the nor I mean I I do understand the what um they're saying about um you know that there's probably right more that is the volume of Cobble on the road is probably coming more from the south lot owners than the North lot owners so I'm not sure that even from a prac you know how dividing it evenly could happen I'm just worried from the town's point of view or giving lot owners to argue with the town about whether or not some particular bucket load of Cobble you know was delivered further than the point of origin and why the town would want to um agree to um you know trying to figure that out I just think you're I think it's too oh but I don't I also don't think I'm sorry I just I I don't know why they're asking the Conservation Commission to figure it out well I just think cut that thing down and you said well let me reiterate they are not asking this this was sent to me and I said oh my so if the commission chooses not to and feels that this is ludicrous in in nature and how is the origin this material they're not spray painted Phil is absolutely correct they round they roll so how are they to judge where it actually the physical origin could have been the Atlantic Ocean for all the intents and purposes so from the amount of explosiveness you really can't un again I was trying to be fair in respect to sentences to say you got to go down the middle of the road you got to push the stuff on the right side of the road to the right the left to the left and that's it you not and you're not you because if let's say you have more of these St from the the east side or gets pushed more westly you're not going to try to you know weigh it or how buckets on put in each lot you're just going to go with the plow you going to push it to the side of the road and let people deal with it yes well unless unless they don't want it and then in that case the to you just do what we last time put it on our lot which then created more problems yes so I say just split it down the middle the road like one or two sentences and you can't put it to the point ARS that's that's impossible because you don't know where it came from you just opening yourself up to a lawsuit by by agreeing to something like that and just say the right they're going to you know half the road goes to the right half goes to the left and we're done with it we washing our hands our job is to clear the road our job is on board about where the problem came from