##VIDEO ID:XzI5DTX7tnc## okay it is um 602 let's say 6:02 and this meeting is uh now called to order uh voting members present are uh Katrina stroik Katrina welcome to the commission I think your this is your first official my first official voting opportunity yes uh Beverly shook uh uh Deborah Chi William Kendall Garrett stuck Ward Mooney and Caroline Balter and so we are actually um what are we seven we're actually uh Full House it's a full commission a full commission yeah wow um and everybody Katrina are you a regular member or alternate you got regular I would expect she's for real I know uh Katherine rard is alternate but uh okay so so we're all we're all regular members we're all voting tonight Cat's Cat's not an alter she's sworn in I thought she was sworn in too she's an alternate she's sworn in but she's is an alternate as an alternate okay yeah yeah okay um the first uh item of business um is uh minutes of the meeting of August 5th and everyone should have a copy of that I sent it by email um are there any any changes I have some darn it that's my goal to get through a meeting with no changes to the minutes okay so um item four I think it should should be noted that uh GS and WK visited the site prior to the meeting and agreed the building was beyond repair and not historically important got it uh I okay item five uh the cedar oh sorry item five the the um there's a sentence the shed will be natural uh I'd like to be a little more precise the cedar shingles uh will be a natural color the next sentence uh after questions and discussion open the discussion to the public um so it's actually an official public hearing that that occurred so I think you should use that language open the public hearing I'm sorry Garrett could you I'm sure I understand the so there there's a there's a there's a there's a formal part of the meeting which is called a public hearing yep and um and so we should use that language open the public hearing okay do you want me to make that same change in number four as well then no because that was not a public hearing so demolition way your demolition request does not require public hearing okay thank you um and then then I I would add a sense there just to note that there were no comments from the public okay um the numbering starting with the second five is off that goes all the way through yeah five is five repeat you're saying yeah yeah five and then preliminary review is five again that should be six the top line of the second page um 4 a potential I I think the fours um should be deleted um the uh last sentence in 1985 D Main Road thank you uh I would strike the phrase the ideas of the plans and agreed and just say the commission was generally pleased with the approach and then the last one um under the motion to go into executive session I would insert to discuss the minutes of to discuss the minutes of the executive session of July 9th 2024 and then I would strike that bold sentence strike what the Bold B that's all I have I have two I wanted to add the preliminary schemes as attachments I hadn't put those in originally so I wanted to put um I'll send this to you um it's the the two things that we reviewed as preliminary were the 1985 D Main Road design and the 1912 Main Road Howland Hall design we reviewed those preliminary schemes and I just want to add those as attachments okay and I'll rumber everything accordingly continuation that Garrett sent to both The Bu that's also going to be an attachment okay so I'll send but not for this oh well for for the August August 14th oh right okay the continuance goes to that okay strike that bring it to August okay any other changes do we hear a motion I move we approve I second it okay let's do a roll call votes Katrina Katrina stro I sh I Deborah CH I Liam kandall I Garett stock I Ward Mooney I Caroline Bolter I the minutes are approved okay now we have the minutes of August 14th uh which was a special meeting uh it was a special meeting to consider uh an application for certif certificate of hardship from UHC real realy trust Robert brona trustee um we received a a request for continuation before the meeting but we still had to meet and vote on that um so that's what those minutes are about uh and uh the only comment here I had was was to get the language uh exactly right as to who the applicant was so the applicant is actually thec uh realy trust and I I can just send you that by email I think we can agree okay just to correct that any other changes motion to approve a second I second okay let's just do a Voice vote all in favor say I I I any oppos osed motion is approved okay next item is the treasures report there is no treasurers report this month so on to the applications the first item is Valentine Lane application for certificate of an applicability for Lane repairs presented by Caroline Cristiano want me to come up please hi I'm um work working on a project to restore the end of Valentine Lane which is in perilous um condition um we don't know when it was last um page but I'm working on behalf of nine other lane members to see if we can restore and make it um safe and um up for the next 25 30 years or so um so I'm looking for a certificate of non applicability so that I can proceed with the repair work um if I'm Grant to that then I can start working with the vendor um Daniel's asphalt and then work on and get everybody on the lane to agree to a certain um schematic that everyone buys into and then collect checks and away we go it's been a couple month project um it's taken um time to work with the um Highway Department to then find out that according to uh the highway department that the residents in District owned the sidewalks um therefore we are responsible for fixing it um not sure that's necessarily the case but at the end of the day we'd like to you know fix the uh common area that everybody drives into and exits from um because it's in horrible horrible repair I don't know if anyone has seen the pictures in minut okay great um so it's just it's a big project I don't think it's um not attainable it's just um dotting the eyes and crossing the te's and taking one step at a time and that's where I am now I want to make one mention that um Caroline submitted with her application copies of emails from all of the residents on the lane so she duly represents everybody yes so everybody's giv me permission to be here tonight doesn't mean everyone's going to buy off uh or sign off on the pay for yeah but in order to get from point A to point B we need to at least get this done and then I can start working on um doing that and my plan on for the checks is to have everybody writing checks directly to the Daniels Asal I want to be don't want to be associated with any movement of money and um that's the plan do do you have uh just one one picture or plan you could share with us because I I actually wasn't able to open the uh oh sorry here and actually while you're doing that I just want to be clear so I have your name as Caroline Cristiano and you're a homeowner on Val yes I am I'm one of the 10 perect y I just happen to feel like this needs to be done and most of the residents are older um and I just have the desire and the energy and think we can get it done so so this This only affects the entrance to Valentine land correct yep yeah this is just um what happens is most of the time you stop at the end of Valentin you've got the big um columns here and everyone's got to stop then you take a left and the acceleration left picking up all the things and someone at some point paved the cement sidewalk and that's all coming off as well um and there's a huge hole right now in that right section so um it needs to be redone so we can either replace the sidewalk the cement and redo the gravel or redo the cement sidewalk and then Cobble um the fan so there there was two solutions two price points and hopefully I'll get nine people to agree and move forward so this is the easy part this is the easy part exactly but I you know I wanted to just do one thing at a time so how long do you think it'll take my goal is to get this done in October um most of the residents are already starting to pack up um we've got a couple that are there and um I'm trying to push it to the end of October so that we can avoid as much traffic um um and have it done like on a Tuesday after a trash um and work with I'm even hoping that the trash company might allow me to put some of the trash GRS at the end of Valentine Lane for a week or so because there's only a couple residents and I'm happy to help the residents bring the trash all the way up um we only have I think two real Elder on the lane um one of them doesn't even drive so um and I also have permission from the household at the end of Valentine Lane at the very Peak that's got that beautiful garden um that if someone needs to use their driveway because they also have an egress onto Main Road that they can in the event of an emergency so um I'm not really advertising that but um I do have that permission to I mean obviously if we get this done on a Tuesday and someone has an issue with their health you know the ambulance will go over it and it's not going leading into the world and we have to be realistic we can't shut so sounds like a great project I think it'll be a big Improvement I also think it's it qualifies for a certificate of non-applicability yeah it's a repair and and it's a it's a grade level it's at grade level yes the only thing is yeah I was told by the town um haret haret yeah he just asked that this cement be 6 in because of his past experience with a lot of the um sidewalks in B River whatever I believe um so I made sure that Daniel's asphalt knows that he's asking for the 6 in of SM for the sidewalk we also have a cobblestone apron which will also protect I'm hoping there only 200 more per household um if we can go that route I'm trying to be optim you can tell where I so I'm you know I got to present Solutions and then let the people decide it's great work I think you did a great job putting this together thank you are are the residents enthusiastic about it yes they are and they've all seen these proposals they've all seen the amounts but it doesn't mean that when push comes to you know I gotta try though do I hear a motion to the application for CNA second okay uh let's do a roll call vote krina stro guy Beverly deborra chy I William Kendall I Garrett stuck I Ward Mooney I Caroline Boulder I Caroline I'll do the certificate and you'll get it in the next day or two at the building department also you'll have a copy okay um quick question I had a certificate of nonliability for a tent for a wedding which happened on Saturday is there anything needed to close that out or does that just vaporized you just have to close out your building permit I didn't need one for the yeah you didn't need one for the I thought you needed a building permit no she said she didn't need one we did we did isue yeah so does that just make R basically you don't need to do anything with us yes that's what I'm asking okay great music but it was never too soon great congratulations thanks for you okay next item 1991b proposal to replace French doors and Sid Lights by Patricia susman Patricia Suman is okay you I stay yeah do do you mind I mean just standing up so there's a microphone there and and it'll be recorded and could you please state your name for me Margaret Jacobson s Margaret Jacobson Civ yeah okay it's Jacobson okay yes yes and this is really I suppose what you called light to Mak um French doors and a glass kitchen door which I'm rushing they on the South Side so that's really what it is and it's just like chis probably could be it's going to be exactly I yeah please so I think I to okay because I really involved I know it's just replacing what is there right there's nothing structur it's just okay yeah if you could just give your name for the my name's Chris thank you Chris so there a set of French doors in one room and single door in the kitchen and there's also um SS alongside French and they just red just need to Beed and and so you're you're not replacing the um the windows above the doors is that trans the and when I talked to Patricia you know weeks ago she she said that the that the um muttons on the new doors would actually be thinner than the existing ones match the trans yeah right now what's there doesn't matter all right so that I think that will be a big Improvement actually yeah bill so they're going to leave the trans yeah that's good and uh these muts are going to be going to and the product is really a nice product simp the Simpson door really a good product okay I move the we um so uh this is a application for certificate of appropriate which means that it requires a public hearing uh which is a chance for the public to speak so the public hearing is now open are there any members of the public who would like to speak to this project okay hearing none I close the public hearing and uh any further discussion from the commission okay I hear a motion I move we approve I second it okay roll call vote krina Debra I William Kendall I Garrett stuck I Ward booney I Caroline Bolter I okay the certificate is approved thank you do we need monitors monitors monitors thank you thank you sorry one more one more item we need uh we need monitors um Caroline's volunteering to monitor thank you and I every we two monitors okay so Caroline and Beverly are the monitors and what you need to do is is when you start the project um uh get in I contact uh either Caroline or Beverly and their phone numbers will be at the bottom of the certificate you'll see their phone numbers at the bottom of the certificate as monitors so you can contact them so the home will receive the certificate yes yes and there'll also be a copy on file at the building department yeah and so so you contact the monitors uh when you're about to start the project you contact the monitors if anything comes up if you need to make any changes some changes can be approved just by the monitors uh and then contact them when the project is finished and the monitors pardon the the monitors just kind of keep an eye on on what's being done do I need to contact like I need to order these it's they're a special order so I can go ahead and order yeah absolutely not start work until contact yeah well you'll need a building permit for the work but the building department will issue that permit to you when they see that you have an approval from us from you yeah okay thank you thank you okay next item Garrett you're moving right along 1967 Main Road [Music] application application for certificate of appropriateness to to replace gutters and downspouts and repair or replace rotted facial boards and other trim by Dennis and Ruth Rock Dennis and Ruth here okay would one of you like to come to the podium or come to the table whichever you prefer you can sit here more comfortable you just sit at our table Min okay um so want to give us an overview um so one one thing that I don't think was in your um pictures was was any sort of plan about how the house relates to the street so can you describe where the house is relative to the street and which sides of the house you're proposing to to work on um it would be the front part facing the street as well as both sides of the house uhu and the and the house is is right on main road is it's right on as most of those houses are and it's on the um West Side I guess pardon the West Side yes it's on side of the street okay um and so you're replacing um so removal of wooden gutters and down spouts also repair rotted woodwork that is attached to or near um the present gutters replacement with aluminum down spouts and Getters appropriate to a historic home it doesn't have to be aluminum whatever is recommended okay do you have you talked to a contractor yet no I've called but not yeah okay uh I think I mean we generally prefer I expl I have some samples here with me um of course what you're seeing here in the is a wooden gutter that you have now and what we're recommending is the fiberglass gutter which you can see here and you can see that this is extremely durable and will last it's made by the same process as in fact it was a company that makes bolts you know fiberglass bolts and they started making these gutters not too long ago actually like about 5 years ago and um it's it's become really very very popular so it's fiberglass and you can see this is the wooden Gutter and you can see that there's much more water that flows through that gutter mhm than the old wooden oh yes that's what you so it's definitely an improvement now how does that compare to the aluminum in price no in terms of appropriateness and um well the aluminum the aluminum has the same profile mhm they all have the same profile and that's all better than we would yeah they have the same design let's say okay and so the same design then because they tried to replicate wooden gutters and so uh obviously wooden gutters well wooden gutters are very expensive today in the first place so so is this but this is the best product because of its longevity also the durability in terms of something falling against it or anything the aluminum gutter will Dent how does compare pricewise to the aluminum how does it compare pricewise it's very expensive it's much more I haven't priced it than aluminum is aluminum is the cheapest that's why you see aluminum gutters on all the houses I mean this is what is the standard today is the aluminum prior to the few maybe 10 years ago the commission required all wooden gutters this didn't exist they wouldn't allow aluminum but um it's because of that price the aluminum has the same profile the only problem with aluminum gutter besides not being durable is that it doesn't look as good I can show you why um this is an installation of the aluminum Gutter and you can see that it's put together with these joints are put together with rivets and see the scene this would be on the ends because the RO the the gutter is is uh a seamless gutter what I mean is when they come in to make it they make it on site and if you have a 60ft wall you get a 60 W piece of gutter but when you get to the end they have to do this now in the houses in the district that becomes important because the design is this most of them are of the federal Greek Revival style and this is how it has to be designed and from looking at your drawings this is exactly what it look what your house looks like because you see how they are mitered in the Angles and then they return against the wall mhm if you're that was what you would be doing so that's what your contractor has to do if this is approved by us he has to repeat or replicate exactly what's on your house right now so the difference then is those joints now what you're seeing here is this is the fiberglass gutter let me see that that is the fiberglass gutter as well okay and so the other picture is the aluminum gutter you see they look very much alike mhm it's just the way they're joined that's our house is surrounded by historic ash trees and they're not in good health well then the the fiber glass cutter would be quite good yeah it sounds that way just now which ones there are fiberglass on I mean um aluminum ones here yeah that's the aluminum right in your hand this one here yeah okay yeah you can see the little rivets rivets and seams in the corners I mean it's pretty apparent you see but the fact is we do go ahead we do we have um approved the aluminum gutter I'm just saying that we we would prefer this and I think in the long run you'd be happier with this well it sounds like it makes more sense with the tree situation that's right now the down spouts wouldn't even if they were aluminum wouldn't be an aluminum like this the down spouts would be made out of metal and they'd be round yes mhm would that be would the metal be aluminum the metal would be different metals that the downspouts are made of okay uh and possibly even fiberglass I don't know if they've done that yet these companies could be could be steel I mean it so yeah they they make them out of steel metal or the aluminum but do you have round ones down spell I do and what are they made of they're aluminum so they're not they're smooth they're the aluminum down spot that you see the rectangular one doesn't look as good as the round downspouts in terms of style and just ter appearance this is the common downspout uhhuh which you see everywhere yes they can also be made of copper oh yeah they can be made of copper um yeah I around down Scots on my house that are made of painted steel yeah they're made of what painted steel ganized galvanized steel is really the standard yeah so they're very durable very durable you know the the problem with a lot of the aluminum stuff is is you know if a ladder Falls against it if something you know bumps against it it you have a dent so you can't you can't repair it that's the problem when it's dented the other thing is the the strange thing is that the round gutter or down spout carries more or just as much water as the square one I didn't know that but according to This Old House uh for some reason something that's round even though the square has more square inches to it it still carries the same amount of water but hard to believe but I guess it's true that's good well you have a choice uh we can we can approve the aluminum if you like um and I could I think we could agree that if you wanted to use fiberglass that would be fine too just so you don't have to come back that's what I was hoping that okay uh that either option would be sure as long as you do the profile that we're concerned about then you can use either material and the installation is become is very important to us the way that it actually repeats what I've seen in the photos that you've sent us uh of the house and and the way the corners are done like that mhm return mitered so maybe just explain it you can't have that well this is what it what we don't allow that installation right there with that aluminum gutter has an end cap on it and that house that should be returned you see how it doesn't wrap around that's that's wrong it has to wrap around do we think it would be helpful I mean I I get we don't want to have to come back but you know would it be helpful in this case as you finalize what you want you know to be able to say hey I think this is what we're doing can you guys just tell me this is okay or unless you're really clear about what we need to do yeah I I I think it uh I'm I'm not very comfortable approving something so vague um and I think you usually when people come in they've talked to a contractor they have a specific proposal they have some idea of the pricing uh of what they want um and and usually I mean we suggest that people come for a preliminary review so that we can have kind of an informal discussion about that you mean what we're doing now yeah well what yeah I mean the but but you've actually submitted a formal application um I see so once you've submitted a formal application Things become a little more complicated um in the sense that that we actually have to like formally continue the process so if you come for a preliminary review we can you know talk about it maybe give give some advice then you can go back and explore the options and then come back to us with a formal proposal anyway it's not a so gett in this case because um you know you guys didn't necessarily know that you could have done that um do we need to have continuance so that they can based on what youve shared now you guys have a little bit more more Direction and so then you can talk to a contractor show them some pictures and then you can come back and say okay I you know decide which you want decide if you want the fiberglass or the aluminum MH um how old are your gutters now do you know no I don't you never replaced them before no and they they're they're in bad shape yeah they're wood right pardon they're wood right yeah yeah I mean it's not a big deal to have a continuation okay and uh you know I think now you you've got some ideas here from us and uh I think it would be good to for you to talk to a contractor and uh get some specific proposals and if you want to have your contractor call me and I can explain these details okay so let's do a continu okay and I'll get you Bill's number you need to you need to open up a yeah so I I think even if we're doing a continuation we have to have a public hearing so um uh I hereby open the public hearing are there any members of the public who would like to comment on this application I had one question but it's on the topic is in between the B and aluminum P VC option where the profiles exactly the same PVC yeah no they don't make them out of PVC they do I've never I don't know about that I wouldn't I mean I wouldn't be surprised yeah like there's a downside because PBC takes on it doesn't get a lot of takes on nice green L green M very special but it's that's just so another another option you might explore PBC I don't we're not very familiar with it and Sir can I just get your name for the record John Kennedy John Cy thank you now the builders that have come have have come in with the have come in with the fiberglass the builders who have come here for gutters that's why I don't know about the PBC that's great any other comments from the public okay so I hereby close the public hearing and uh now we can uh either discuss this further or or uh could hear a motion I move we continue second okay let's do a roll call so we will so we're going to move to continue it to the next meeting yeah and and I guess we we need to make sure that you you agree to the continuation yeah okay yes yes you have names of contractors that just a couple do you have do you have a list of people who have done this we don't okay and we don't really we we really have a policy where we don't recommend Builders you we might leave someone out or something could cause problems so that's why we don't mhm but any you to find out who's working in the district and yeah there's somebody working up at the church got a sign out what's that there's someone up at the church doing repairs he's got to sign out yes I know um okay so I I just want to put this motion on hold for a second the um so we should agree on a date uh do you want to come back next month you want to have two months to come back I mean we could say two months and if if you got a bit earlier than that you could come back sooner and what about if we say one month then we're not we don't have everything we need then we would have to vote vote again at the next meeting to continue would we need to appear at the first one uh I guess if we had a letter from you we could we could just process it that way yeah so we could we could just continue it to the next meeting so why don't we schedule it for June you want TOA months pardon you wanted to do the continuation for two months so you have the latitude you think well I was just thinking of the weather details you can come back in one month if you have all the information if you have the inform it's not a problem just it's easier than undoing coming back and not being ready in a month and you know wanting to come back again so you're saying two months yeah we'll set the date for two months but if you're ready before the next meeting then come okay just we'll we'll tell us you tell us you're going to come and we'll put you on the agenda okay well I don't think we can do that because this is a public hearing yeah you you'd have to You' have tell us two weeks two weeks before yeah two weeks notices are so you can send out the notice exactly right so should we do for the two months then to yes okay you're agreeing to that yes okay okay so can I can I hear a a specific motion then about uh okay I move not from me I move we continue this item at the uh let's see the October meeting November meeting November you know the date of the November meeting we're going to discuss it but right now I think it is 4th um so let let us say the November meeting because it it will be it will almost certainly be moved well we're supposed to actually put a specific date on the continuation form so let's put um uh let's put November 12th I think so I think November 11th is is Veterans Day so the the issue is I have it down is November 4th yes but I'm going to be away November 4th oh um and uh there's a topic later in the agenda to change the November meeting um so let's put it for November let's put it for November 12th November 12th okay yeah would you expect the contractor to come with us it would be very helpful or a set of drawings from the contractor measured drawings very specifically what he's going to do yeah and most of the contractors who've worked in the district have been here before so they're familiar with the process the important thing to us is that it's done properly and it's a like for like what I mean is what's there you're going to replicate because what I see it was done properly when the wooden gutters were installed so you're going to be installing these gutters precisely the way the wooden gutters are we just want to make sure of that we want to have something in writing with that application to to attach to that application that says that yeah of course the down spouts would be different not like for like but uh well no um anyway your point is separate meeting the downspouts no part of the same proposal but they they should be round well he should just contractor shouldn't should include the downspouts MH everything I hope so yeah and yes we would welcome him to be here sure pardon me we would welcome him to be here that would be that would be even better okay so um we have a motion a draft for this 1967 uh did we have a second for that motion second okay uh let's do a roll call vote Katrina Katrina Str ey shook ey Deborah chy ey William Kendall ey Garett stuck ey Ward booney ey Caroline B ey okay the motion for continuance passes and uh we'll see you on November 12th I expect if not sooner and what the continuation says is the date on there in October you have to have your materials To Us by that date in October gives us time to do the notice period so that's that's your that's your outside date of when you have to have your materials together 1028 yes you know I don't think we have to send notices with a continuation no because the people that would be interested in the abutters would be here at this meeting we are right and then they because of what we're doing at this meeting would know they would come to the next meeting that's what's been that has been my experience yeah I think I think you're right that it's it Bears checking I'll check it right so we have the continuation it's been approved by us okay okay good very nice okay thank you thank you thanks thanks for coming in okay the next item 2000 H sorry um yeah 2002 Main Road application to demolish and rebuild two chimneys uh a request to withdraw this application uh was received on September 3rd and uh according to our rules uh we have to vote on whether to accept the withdrawal motion to accept the withdrawal I second okay roll call vote krina guyy Deb chy I William Kendall i g stock I Ward Mooney I Caroline Boulder I um what was the reason for the withdrawal uh the reason was that we uh I I recommended to um to to him that uh he talked to a different Mason he had he had lined up a project um with a Mason from LOL yeah who I think did not have any experience with historic houses yeah and uh and you know it's a rather dramatic thing to tear down and reild the chimney that was a very good move because when I I did see that in an email and pictures of the of the brick that was going to be used and that was not the proper break it off right right yeah so I I advised him to get another opinion which I think he did but uh he hasn't the project now is not fully developed one of the one of the projects was the handy house chimney restoration and that was if you look at that that's done correctly matches the type of brick and everything there was a lot of work put into finding those those bricks um Tony milum was in charge of that so you could tell this person they could contact Tony okay okay anyway it's it's withdrawn and uh he'll come back to us at some point in the future with a with a uh revised plan okay uh General business monitors reports um yes Russell Baker called me um he was approved he lives on drift Road and he called me to say that they are starting work on what was approved and then he will call when it's completed do you remember the address no I'll find it 1913 drift rad 1913 okay any other monitors reports I reached out to the architect for for um was it 189 no uh 1893 Main Road James Burns and Lucy Owen they've started their work and Katrina noted that to me so I reached out to the architect to say you know please let us know what you're doing because it obviously has started so she'll get back to me it's Ashley is the architect so I'm sure she'll get back to is it 1893 M 1893 main road okay yes so they've started their renovations to the main house and the studio okay I also got a call from the gentleman we gave a CA to last week last month uh with the little um the the shed that he's going to be building he put a stake in the yard to show where it's going to go M so there's really nothing to review yet except that he told me the St is there put a mark on the wall because the stake is going to move as soon as they do the pad right for the shed Z and Cat are the monitors yes okay so he did call me to tell me know his progress but there's really nothing to review yet okay uh any other monitors reports okay um next item discussion of changing the date of the meeting scheduled for November 4th 2024 so uh I'm sorry to say I will not be here on November 4th and I would like to be at the November meeting so I would like to change it and haven't we changed to the 12th well we we sort of guessed that that's what we would change it to well why don't I move that we change it to the 12th so so the the 11th is is Veterans Day 12 is Tuesday then the 12th Tuesday and I know that the Town Hall basement is usually open for that so um any concerns about moving the meeting to that date no so the October meeting is October 7th so that's um guess I would put it five weeks after the October 7th meeting which is I mean it often happens can be problematic depending on on when we receive proposals because we have a 45-day window but I think we can manage that uh okay do I hear a motion motion to accept to move the date of our November 4th meeting to November 12th I second okay all in favor I I all opposed motion passes okay any other new topics yes I have a couple okay um one is the memorial the Mariners Memorial but I'll get to that the other is the the warf house the building that fell in the water you know those three properties um does anybody been able has anybody been able to get in touch with the owner I thought Betty Slade was going to be here yeah I think they have I think they have been in touch and in fact the owner has been down at the house cleaning it up and and mowing the lawn so I mean she is she's aware of what's going on and I don't I don't know the det details of of which house are you talking about house yeah the one that fell in the water oh around the house the next one up the next one over yeah where the storage which is actually put she put yellow tape around the The House of the building that's falling into the water she did that well her grand son her grandson a young young man who was was with her did it there's a question of tax aers on it I'm just wondering if at some point the historic commission can step in and take some purview over what's going on with all those properties yeah that's a good question um good question we yeah it be a taking by the town well I think the the town the town is exploring I I mean I I don't I don't know much about this so you know we're speculating here but we're speculating that I I think the town is exploring various options I think that you know it's it it seems to be a safety hazard if there were hurricane it would be a problem I mean they're extremely important historical bu buildings the character of the do you know anything about that particular building that's fallen into the water the history of it I I don't but the warf house I know yeah the warf house is right and you know and they are really going to see you know all of them um so I just um and they're in a rear and I just if we have an opportunity I think we should make it clear that you know we want to have some say in it right so I think there are some members of the public who are here to would like to talk about this yeah come come on up your choice yeah either way officially recognizing this as the public this is not a public hearing no this is just um uh members of the public who I'm yeah discussion welcoming members of the public to to comment on this issue names names please will Mela Richard Armstrong will M M M CC u l l o u g h thank you for spelling that and I got yours some people don't so I can bring everyone up to date a little bit about where it is I think with the town we've talked with uh sue braon a couple of times and the property is in a re is taxwise um and she apparently has a a lot of different properties and sort of keeps the town Happy by supplying a little bit of money for one or the other each year that's the way they've been sort of managing it the town has um recently she's been given a uh the building inspector served with some kind of papers I don't know what they are but he he told me that she's been served in papers in fact he handed them right to her and so that's and she explained to us that if the town takes it over uh they attach all kinds of fees and penalties and leans and all that kind of thing and it's quite a long process it has it's about a two-ear process to to for the town to actually get a hold of the property and then it goes to auction we're interested my son-in-law really because he's in the boat building bus and interest in marinaa kind of thing and maybe carrying on the business the way what it was rebuilding it accordingly um and it was kind of our hope that that you would support that effort and think that that's the right thing to do we find out if it's not the right thing to do maybe it's a good time to find out right now um but that that would be the intent well when you say you you would um rebuild it as it was or similar to what it was I mean I good question these are the things we've sort of these are the reasons we're here our our go my goal with the property would to be get the buildings out of the water return the buildings that are there to a usable State a safe State and build wooden Skiffs River Skiffs yeah and maintain boats and use the marina as it was once used well I mean this certainly would be fine with us good beautiful I mean that's the best case scenario right well I think it's a case unless you have a donut shop so that was what what we were hoping and you know uh and maybe I don't know who can help with this or if anyone can help but one way around this whole thing is to get the word to her the owner that this is a much easier path than going through the town and having it taken over and go to auction and all that and we make a nice deal right now give her some she get some money she get this whole thing behind her but it's really hard to so to get to her so we're here really we're just trying to gather information and try to learn more about it and process so you're here to get a preliminary indication from the commission that if you did pursue this and these are the intended uses that you'd be on the right path you said that said that perfect took the words out of my mouth way than I could otherwise you really don't want to waste a lot of time and money dealing with the owner if you're going to come before us and we're going to say no that's well said yes exactly so you need an opinion around you and I don't know what we can do without any plans so our our purview really is over you know the architectural elements of but is there anything that you guys can do as the historical commission to move this along because as of right now the history is literally crumbling into the river yeah no there there there are things we can do um you know we can so we're we're we're responsible for example for for the for the listing of those buildings on the on the Massachusetts state inventory of historic properties we also have sort of a general charge to preserve help preserve the history of of Westport um and so I want to give you these These are the design guidelines for the historic district okay and if you can stay within those kinds of intentions you could get a sense of what we would be likely to approve and it's your intent to purchase these if it's were to come for sale well is that what your basically your objective this is to contact her and make an offer yeah yeah all right which the town would be out of it at that point it's just a Sol a lot of problem it's just giving to her to negotiate exactly right and getting that key person to sort of say well there's a better way much better way to handle this have you had any conversations with her yet I actually we were down the other day and I met her um she was there in her truck and um I said you know we're kind of interested this probably you own it and she said oh yeah I own it she said I'll put your name on the list it's a long long list M and then the list sort of fell into the you know somewhere in the truck somewhere probably never to be seen again our name I REM my name and number MH um and what's your background as you approach this yeah like you you wanted you're doing do you do boat building now are you are you established any place else right now or uh right now I'm working out of his barn and I've built four Skiffs now and got another one on the way and I spent my whole childhood and early adult life working at Ganon and benjin out on Martha's Vineyard they build anything from Skiffs to 65t Schooners so my background's all in wooden boats and Richard strictly Wooden Boats strict well I did work at a fiberglass shop for about 6 months and then I was done with that uh and Richard's been uh very complished yachtsman his whole life and we just really love that property and want to deserve the tradition that's happened there um I know she was looking for an attorney I don't know if she if she got one I assume she got one somewhere not where she I could make a good suggestion so are you are you interested in the building that's falling into the water specifically or the whole proper we're interested in the whole property the whole property the garages are which is comprise what three buildings then or a four it's quite a few we're not certain if the garage thing is part of it I think it must actually it's it's in the same state there which makes us think it is on the town card it's not it's not yeah but what I'm thinking is if if there was an attorney that it would be you know he could be the middle person too or she and make an approach to that person with what your intentions are write them up you know it's always good to have something in writing and um she's going to be obstinate maybe she's not going to want to see it but if if he could talk sense and to her he could you know make a a good suggestion it might help but we got to find out who the attorney is I I don't think there's any other way to get to it really I mean if that seems to be what I've heard all the sort of digging around we've done about it yeah John Richard you might want to check the uh property records in the bord just to see the technical oh there has been some thought there's some trust yeah I don't know what the truth of the discussion is but that the current Le yes has a light interest and that there's a remainder that goes to the children husband that I've heard repeated by number different people without myself looking into it so I'm not that interested but it was interesting dinner talk um because I was wondering why Jewel like that just go to rack and ruin all this time the vending machine still work evenover the only thing so you might want to justware well yeah accurate information about ownership and it's searchable least just to in the name that trust then may be a separation of Life interest would be in Bristol no for the record newford registry of deeds it's online and so you can see if there's most everything's online most yeah most everything is yeah yeah I supposed to be say you want to go actually go down there but if you know if there's something recorded on the D then it would appear in that register yeah I mean what might not be it might it might reference an agreement the agreement necessar isn't necessarily public but it might might reference an agreement an agreement yeah um but getting back to the building that's falling into the water I mean this is something we may have to deal with in the short term because you know if the town wants to demolish that if they condemn it it for something then we would have to give them approval to to demolish it and so that's why I'm kind of curious about your interest in that particular building in that what in that particular building the one that's falling into the water I mean is that is that a significant part of your ideas for the we don't even know what happened tiny yeah I don't I don't know the history of that building Lo it's not significant okay so this would not not be a significant part of your of your ideas for that property okay well that's good to know the um gares are not part of that property they that's Susie Kim's property to the north and do a stop or property stop right at the doors of the I think it does the driveway that that lot is kind of like cut in half well there's there's some um br said that there's a public way on that lot actually nobody knows about that's not all that wide but it's like four or five successor trustee and that's the one that fell in the one right by the Harbor Master yeah one I wonder what the zoning is there do you know is is it some kind of commercial zoning I think it is commercial zoning because it's been it'll say right here on the card right commercial enter we have the Oyster [Music] House collection of the little buildings right here it's own as nhr just show him this this is property line of these little buildings you can see the building see how one of the um lines goes right through a town building so that's kind of interesting so there's the town is the abutter see how it goes through the town shellfish office by the town the property line so that's but it looks like the driveway used for in exchange for but that's the Shel interesting need some research there this is how the collection of buildings are owned but look at how the property line isn't really where the buildings are yeah so I I think um I mean I can't speak for the commission but I you know it sounds like people are are open to this idea and you know we would support you how we could good to know good starting point yeah and and just to get back again to the historic district so so a lot of what we do here involves deciding what people can or can't do in the historic district but we do have this other role um as the historical commission so we're we're a historic district commission right with perview over the historic district but we're also the historical Commission of Westport for the town and and so there you know in that role we actually have a larger purview larger charge you know to to sort of sort of use it for advice and not just right police exactly to to help help develop historical resources so um we can definitely be helpful with that if anyone has any ideas for us about how to go forward or some someone to talk to her that would be would open ears okay so who who have you tried so far building inspector building inspector the G assessor assess talked to Mike S about it just because he was he's digging around about who to talk to M just trying to make it known that is a better Sean Lee I've emailed him again nothing back I think Sean is pretty retired now is pretty I think I think they're completely estranged yes yeah the building inspector was in touch with Sean leech and Sean couldn't help um I think Beverly's history Beverly's idea of you know actually coming up with a proposal that maybe you could hand to her to the town no hand to the owner the owner yeah you could get the owner's lawyer I think it might be more I don't think she's I mean she's I don't think she's really that you're going to get any she's not going to get not rational do you know how many people are looking at it no she said there's a long list right however money speaks louder than lists true well this gentleman said something about remainder men so you might want see if you can find out who the who the heirs are the the trustee represents the remainder man so if you can talk to the trustee that they have to be they have fiduciary duty to the remain man sure and to the you and to the and to the life interest person as well theate re well if there's a life interest it's just during that person's life and then when that person passes the remainder men become the new beneficiaries so there's a line of people that you might want to investigate who who benefits from this and if you can't get to the current owner who has the life interest and perhaps the remainder man I mean I'm not a lawyer I don't want to give you legal advice here but I'm just saying like as an approach what good figure out all the parties that have an interest in that so I was thinking Sean might be a resource he's he may be a strange but he may have the history of what he probably knows more than anyone else yeah yeah I would think Rich that if anyone is seriously interested in it they would like you come to approach us because they want to find out what they can do with it sure and uh we would be looking at it as what is the best thing that can be done with it and so your approach most likely would be the best thing that can be done with it I mean if they're going to remove the buildings and build a house there'd be quite a lot of scy right right compared to your project right preserving the local character is really what we're all about exactly what we want to do so you have that uh leverage then sure sure most when people buy a property like that or thinking of it they will come to us first because they don't want to have you know plans for it purchase it and find out they can't do it so that's why we could be very helpful well this is why we're here right now really to get the way of the land so you might want to talk to the zoning board as well just depending on what you think would happen in terms of you know traffic and because there definitely have been lots of conversations about that at the point did Michael Sullivan have a view at all well he was going to sort of search around to see if he knew what way in so to speak with this leech knew anyone that might we just kind of think about be think about it for that we're really trying to people know that there's a better way and we're we want to lead the we want to make it happen and the more people that know I think maybe the more pressure is on the town what's what are we doing with this place and we got to get it behind us and and who knows maybe she'll just decide selling get a much easier way out than going through this twoyear you know auction and so forth well also she sees the town is actually putting pressure on her which maybe they're not yet but if the town does that then she might see this as a much more viable option true y all those things all Every Little Bit sort of Stack up and help you have to make her care you know about preserving the property she wants to honor her husband which she has memorial for him out there which might be good to say in your letter too you know how important it is for you to carry on you have aor for him which you know just got mowed and um you know so we we want to continue that also and we would call the George Lee you know Marina sure very good point good very good kind of naming opportunity for her which really maybe get her over the top is she Good Wonderful advice is she in good health um no not particular how old the woman is she I don't really know I think I think we're I think I think we're getting a little off track here we serve wine soon that has historic significance yeah um just we're not going to try to answer that question this meeting is being recorded so um does anyone know what the next steps for the building that are in the water that is in the water is yeah didn't the town they' got to be removed they' got to be removed the town step in if she doesn't do that if it's a safety hazard then the town has the right to yeah de demolition I mean I would say the whole place is a safety hazard yes yeah you can make that argument yeah that's I think uh I mean it's possible that if that building is removed it couldn't be put back so she may be trying to to preserve it somehow I don't think so I don't think the Yellow Tape is no I I I don't I don't I don't know what what what she's thinking but but I think it it probably is true that once it's removed it can't it's gone it's gone yeah I think there have been some discussions around you know having somebody committ didn't give quotes around removing it whether they get a crane or if they bring in a barge or right would it be useful for our group to point out this discussion to the town this is a public meeting and we now have come on the record of our reaction to this and share that with Jim hard I don't know how how often he watches the YouTube of our meetings so yeah no I could I I could I could send him a letter and and just say that he was someone gave me his name to call too and I haven't yet I won't if you think I should no no person talk yeah okay we should too triangulate that we can make him aware that we've he's a Town Administrator so he can orchestrate this whole thing sure he's a good guy yeah his office is right up on the second floor Town Hall secretary is Paula Brown very nice woman ter and um you might just drop in casually oh wonderful advice and if you tell him that you've come before us yeah and and what you want to do and we were very favorable towards that then he again will even work further I think because he's very aware of what we do sure and he's proactive he's a proactive it's a multipronged approach yes so everybody has to keep the pressure on on the town yeah you this been very very helpful for us and and I feel of sort of a support already from all you folks M to to keep this moving ahead which really gives us more more very exciting to think that yeah there was ship ship build in there at one time wonderful really positive the operation there so well that's great thank thanks very much thank you thank you thanks for coming in thank you guys so much for your time thank you thank you appreciate it thanks wonderful to reconnect always yes see yeah okay take care thank you okay uh any other you had a second item yeah and you know I don't want to I don't want to nitpick or whatever but um you know we talked about the memorial last time and you know who would have um some uh authority to have approved it and we decided we did and but we didn't approve it and it's a feton plea and I can live with it it's fine but um I just you know Betty had said a couple years ago they they had a $10,000 122,000 Grant to improve that whole thing and what we got was six more inches of unnecessary asphalt and you know I thought they were going to expand the sight of the memorial buck up the the stones around it you know put grass make it look really nice and maybe get rid of the telephone pole seems to be an impossibility but you know but none of that happened just just the big oversized Memorial happened and I see it every morning because I walked there anymore I just it's anur it could have been so nice I just anyway but I can get over what group was responsible for this I think it was CPC got it Grant then well when they had to go before us didn't they get a building permit would Ralph have said Gee you know you we we have definitely authority over that so people I don't I mean that's the way it is but it didn't happen no and I don't know why it didn't because the the people involved with it know very well that we have authority over it well can we call Betty to the next meeting and have her explain it you I thought you might be here they had a dedication yesterday did you go was it nice that's great very I was there I was there that's a big rock that's a big rock it's a big rock and a lot of Blank Space what do they exp GPS well global warming we'll have hurricane yeah well it's just a shame this has happened because we would probably have approved it and everything would be fine and now well I think we could have compromised you know sure would a chance to compromise but unfortunately it is there it is too bad I mean it's not too bad it's it's fine but it's too bad they didn't do the you know they didn't do the process the legal process process because we are in charge of any structure in the district and it's definitely a structure structure so if if if uh someone did this to their home and didn't follow the process and all of a sudden right we didn't notice and there wasn't a cease and assist and they did something and it's a fate to complete do we have recourse we do we do and so is this something that we say okay do we want to do something about it or are we saying boy this is unfortunate and we say you know slap somebody on the hand and say please don't do that again and then we put it behind us I think right so I I feel like we either have to if it if it is that Troublesome then we need to act on it or do we just want to talk about it say yep that's really crummy and then just put it behind us and we talk about it again I think I I think it's not that Troublesome you know when we when we are um we look at anything that we do within the district as whether it has a um what's the words we use no um detrimental detrimental in congruous those are the words we use and if we we look at that it's something that isn't detrimental and it certainly is not in congruous I mean it's it fits in enough and probably we would have approved it it's just that we're they they didn't give us a chance didn't do what they should do and so that's the way it is no I can think of a number of things on the point that have happened that you know weren't approved as told to us that you know we what are you going to do you know got to make make somebody repaint their entire house what happened I know but you got to pick your battles too it's you know yeah there there was a I mean the the style of the stone is similar to the one that it replaced right yeah and I don't know the history of that previous show it was done by um Ki m mom was that design for well yeah when whenever if it needed approval but and I and and you know Applause to the people who through their own efforts found out other people put them on it and you know much more inclusive and did the research and all that good for them you know I mean it's just there you know we'll live with it it would be interesting to ask some of the people involved with what they were thinking because as somebody pointed out they they do know the rules well I mean if there if a certificate had been issued and they didn't follow the certificate there is a provision that um unapproved work may be subject to penalties and decease and deist order issued by building inspector but that's if they have a certificate that they're in violation of so this is an unusual there there is no certificate to be in violation of so how do you assess a penalty well I mean it it it I mean we're in another process similar thing right anyway I don't I don't there is something in the my personal feeling is is is that we don't want to fight this battle that I mean it it should have come before the commission um it it's it's unfortunate that it didn't um but I don't think we want to um yeah it might beuse if they did have to go through Ralph to get a building permit for that Memorial which they structure they may not have maybe they didn't have to I know but that's sort of our last stop is the building department who can say to a person you need to come before the commission there was a memorial there before too right there was a history of a history of it sure but they're making changes to it and they kind of look alike this one's bigger and thinner that's what I was saying it's the same style right so yeah I think we should just um Let It Be and move on move on yeah on my I agree okay okay okay anything else no any other items on your list no do I hear a motion to to adour just one thing ask you did was listening to the minutes thing and you referenced a an address 1985 B I don't think exists yes it does where is it it's it's it's the Grog house right that it's right down on the shore yeah right down on the with the big rock in front of it if you go down from you straight down and it's the house on the left at the end I think that's no that's not the address I'm say because I just redid the signage for for all that area behind the you behind the stone wall and I was going nuts with the weirdness of the number 1985 d d d is in David hear okay okay okay uh so let's see we we we had a motion did we have a second did we have a motion Bill moved to adjourn was there a second I second okay uh all in favor I I I all opposed we are adjourned thank you we are adjourned