e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e welcome to the June 17th 2024 meeting in the yth Board of Health please note this is a hybrid participation meeting where someone can come and sit here and be part of us here or remotely via zoom and there are plenty of instructions on the town website of how to accomplish that uh as for attendance let's start there Erica you Pres Eric zooming in I think Eric maybe unmute I can't y uh present welcome okay there we are okay Charlie you present present okay Larry present Mary present I'm Hillary and obviously present as well okay start the agenda public comment is anyone out there or wherever they're zooming in has any issues like to address the board with anybody any hands up anything anybody no I don't think so okay let's go to number two this is a the hoarding task force apparently is an Eric Woods who might be here who's the deputy director of health and environment in barnable County and it looks like that would be me that' be you okay just for the record so people can hear you introduce yourself that's all absolutely uh for the record my name is Erica Woods I am the chair of what is now known as the Cape Cod hoarding Resource Network and I am the deputy director soon to be interim director of the barsa County Department of Health and environment it's a lot to put together a lot to put together I did pretty well though didn't I practice coming in I did that's my whole right here see reading anything okay just it's all yours all right so um as I mentioned uh we used to be uh called the Cape Cod hoarding task force um you know but our our main purpose is education collaboration and support and we thought it was more appropriate to uh change our name to the Resource Network um you know as task force kind of sounds like you're going to go in and you're going to clean everything up and you're just going to take care of it all and unfortunately that's not what we can do so um and just to give you a little bit of background um the reason why I got involved with the hoarding task force I was the assistant Health agent for the town of Orleans and uh I got involved in 2011 which was about a year after it started and um basically you know we had those cases where you know a neighbor called to complain about somebody or you know the uh the Council on Aging came across an individual and and the only tool that we have in our toolbx as a health agent is to issue an order that says clean it up and really you know if these individuals were able to do that they would so um we actually there was a presentation um by Christiana Brady Otis and Jesse edeler at the college in 2010 and and they were encouraging um task forces um they realized that um you know responding to individuals struggling with Waring disorder was very seldom um successful from just one entity no matter who that was and what they really wanted to try to promote was collaboration between organizations individuals um departments Etc and that's how the group got started um you know one thing I want to kind of Step Aside a little bit just that you know we could talk a little bit about hoing disorder uh the definition of it um because I think there's a lot of misconceptions out there on what horning disorder really is and I'm going to read to you from the um the diagnostic and statistical manual number five uh came out in 2013 prior to this uh horning disorder was uh classified under obsessive compulsive disorder but as of 2013 it has its own um uh diagnosis and it is the persistent dis difficulty discarding or parting with possessions regardless of their actual value this difficulty is due to the perceived need to save the items and to the distress associated with discarding them uh the difficulty discarding possessions results in the accumulation of these items so that they congest and clutter the living spaces so that they are no longer able to be used as intended and it creates um a a a a um severe distress to the individual or possibly other individuals in the unit so one of the first things is again the persistent difficulty discarding U it's not necessarily it doesn't have to be active collecting involved there's often situations where individuals you know inherit items from their parents when they pass away and then you know the aunt they inherit those items and have such a deep connection to these items that they can't part with them so they just keep building and building and building over the years obviously we've heard about those cases where individuals do actively collect um you know all started with QVC and now Amazon just makes it so much easier to be able to do that um it could be um the need to uh stop at every yard sale that you drive by on on your way um but again it doesn't necess necessarily have to include active acquiring um another specifier is um Insight uh there it actually has been shown that many people have an Insight that they do understand that they're struggling with something um but they continue to anyway whether that's because they can't find the right help um and I will tell you right now it's very hard to find help for individuals struggling with hoarding disorder um or it might be a matter of you know maybe they don't have any insight you know again they're climbing in through their bedroom window because it's the only way they can access their their home but they just don't see it as being an issue they're able to do it it's the way they live and it's just you know not otherwise it's not a problem according to them so you know again the the big thing the the key points on this is it's it's the inability to discard items and it could be very simply a piece of paper it could be a broken teacup that you know might I remember having tea parties with my grandmother and this teacup I know the handle's broken but if I throw it away I'm I'm throwing her away along with it you know that there's that identification or maybe it's the most beautiful teacup in the world and I just can't part with it because I'll miss it too much and you know again when we think about um these individual items we have to remember that this is somebody's possession um you know I went to a training once and I thought this was quite interesting way to describe it and they they basically said you know okay trade uh wallets or purses with the person sitting next to you and be you know without doing I just I'm going to tell you what we want you to do but don't do anything and and you know so you know when I tell you to take out three items from that wallet and you're going to throw it in the trash and everybody of course grab their items back again and if you think about it you know going into somebody's home and trying to make those decisions for them that's exactly what you're going to get you're going to get no way shut the door see you later goodbye um I kind of went a little sideways on that one because I do also want to mention squalor um it's squalor is often confused with hoarding but they are two separate things squalor is more of uh a self-neglect an aathy um it's not somebody actively saving and holding on and and not able to discard or part with the items it is just the items continue to collect they don't notice them they don't even it doesn't even register that they're there likely if somebody came in and clean those items away they wouldn't even notice for the most part there are cases when hoarding will flip over you know kind of cross that line into squalor uh for instance an individual who gets Meals on Wheels and they're so you know just thankful that they're getting these meals on wheels that it would be wasteful to throw away any leftover food and you know maybe they can't eat everything so it keeps stacking in the refrigerator and the new ones come in and it keeps getting stacked that starts to get moldy then it spills over onto the counter and it continues from there and then you have Vermin and filth and you know that's when it tips over on the squalor so you've started with hoarding uh where that individual is actively saving and holding on to those items and because of that it has gone to a point where again things the food is rotting you might have pests uh filth Etc so again a lot of people use those terms interchangeably and and they're not really interchangeable um hoarding itself um it actually starts at a young age uh generally in the teenage years um and you don't necessarily notice it uh you know the parents will clean up the bedroom or or you know tell you to clean things off the floor so that kind of keeps it in check and then you go to to college and you have roommates and they keep it in check and usually it's kind of hanging out in the background a little bit until maybe there's some sort of a traumatic event where it really comes to the Forefront um the estimates are anywhere between three and 6% of the population struggle with hoarding disorder um part of the uh the reason for that big difference is because people don't want to self-identify because it's very shameful there's a lot of Shame associated with it again you know people uh look at individuals struggling with hoarding as you know slobs lazy they're just filthy you know it really is a a a disability it's a a disorder that these individuals struggle with um you know one of the things that that again as uh Health agents and just individuals who care about people it's it's hard to help individuals with struggling disorder it's not an easy process it's um there's a lot of factors associated with it again there's a wide range of Insight you know from yes I know I have a problem but I can't find help for it to I don't have a problem I don't need any help and anywhere in between um it it's a mental health diagnosis um but there is some evidence that again depending on the severity depending on what other uh co-occurring illnesses are going on um you know there are uh success stories when uh individual is paired up with a coach or a self-help group um there are others that have such severe depression and anxiety that you have to address that first and then you know go back to the hoarding this is something that I could talk for hours and hours on um you know that's kind of a a a real quick overview of of what hoarding is um as a Resource Network um again we started in in 2010 and uh we met on a regular basis uh some years it was monthly some years it was quarterly uh we would have an educational presentation and we would invite it all you know people from every service industry Etc so we had attending the meeting we had uh police fire um mental health consultants uh councils on Aging Elder Services Health agents uh we had uh organizational companies uh we did have um some of the larger shall we say cleanout companies uh with the understanding that we don't um endorse cleanouts um but but they have a place in certain situations where in order to address uh a situation from a harm reduction approach you you know we might be able to need to access them to get that initial kind of cleaning so that they the the sources of disease and filth are put aside and then we can go and address that that hoarding piece and just to say so cleanouts are generally 100% recidivism rate it generally will send an individual into a deep depression um there's been stories of individuals committing suicide after a cleanout and you know it's hard enough to gain the trust of the individual to begin with but if you go in there and just throw away whatever you feel they don't need anymore or you feel is quote unquote junk they're they're not going to open the door next time somebody comes knocking on it to help them so it's one of those things where again you know we have uh all types of individuals that um we can uh reach out to to try to help the individuals but the unfortunate thing is that there's a lot of gaps um in that process uh we're trying to figure out how to fill those gaps within the hoarding Resource Network um unfortunately due to covid uh we stopped our meetings uh because we couldn't meet in person and um you know we were we at the county were responding to co itself with the testing sites and vaccines Etc so we've we've been slowly getting back towards it um and what we've been trying to focus on is any any way we can actually get help out there uh so what we've started doing is we have uh some staff that have been providing uh what we call buried in Treasures self-help groups uh bared and treasures is a book um by uh three experts in hoarding it is a self-help workbook and it goes chapter by chapter what is hoarding do I have ho in there's different uh quizzes and um exercises in there to get at kind of the the the depth of the hoarding and then it starts a stepbystep um process of skill building and um you know challenging unhelpful beliefs that that individual might have um so that's one of the things that we've gotten out there we have a pilot program um that ideally we would love to build out um where we've been able to provide coaching Services through the Medical Reserve Corps volunteers uh We've trained them to do uh an eight-week um not you know do three weeks in a row and then spread it out from there but it's a problemsolving coaching session so you know I know when I go to clean my basement I go down there and I see all the stuff and I look at it and I'm like I don't know where to start and I turn around and walk upstairs and say I'll get back to it later well if you think about somebody who's struggling with hoarding you know they already have a hard time with with trying to address these issues so even just trying to figure out where to start is is hard for them so what the these coaching we call it safe space clutter coaching and the coaches will go in and you know look at the whole picture and talk to that individual find out you know are there some harm reduction items that we can address here is there means of egress that maybe that should be the first thing we work on or maybe there's some paper next to the stove and you know okay let's look at this whole thing and then talk to the individual talk to the individual and find out what they want to accomplish you know geez I haven't had my grandmother my granddaughter over here because you know my daughter won't let her come over I'd really like to clean out an area where you know she can come over okay let's work on that and and that works as both motivation and it gives them a place to start and again you know this is um it's one of the really hard things about hoarding disorder is the fact that you do have to find a place for the those items to go you first have to make the decision of what to part with and then where that's going to go so you know there's a lot of expense that goes along with it a lot of time uh associated with it um a lot of time consuming um you know again with the coaching and then lot of cost that goes with that so I'll stop right there I think I kind of gave a really wide overview um but I'm happy to answer any questions the uh the senior center in Yarmouth has a a program for that what is that one yes uh Linda Colby um actually she started originally with one of the original buried and treasures groups God I'm going to say eight 10 years ago uh what she found was is uh that her clients you know wanted something a little bit more ongoing not just the 16 weeks so she uh from my understanding has kind of modified it a little bit so that it's not just that 16-week program but that it it continues on and on um you know which is an excellent idea because again you know after that 16 weeks you know that you would hope that the individuals attending these groups have found some support and are able to continue it on but it's even better if there is that built-in support so it's an ongoing continuous kind of support group yes yeah it's it's not clear to me yet I mean how um the diagnosis would be made and who would make it not everyone has the disorder it could be a sign of something else someone who has an obsessive compulsive disorder just maybe the hoarding is a sign of it um you see people with dementia who have the problem you see people who have traumatic brain injuries who are hoarding you see people with brain tumors so there are a lot of things that could end up producing a sign of hoarding so we're in the process to make sure you're treating the right diagnosis that's an important question and I I'm glad you brought that up because you're right there are there are situations where you have the hoarding SYM sys but they're better explained by as you mentioned a brain injury Etc what we do as the hoarding Resource Network is we don't we don't diagnose um we address the symptoms um and again each case is different it depends on um so many factors you know ideally uh what we try to do is encourage that individual to go talk to their primary care physician you know talk to a me mental health consultant to address any other Associated issues um we again our part in this right now is education collaboration and support so we provide trainings uh we collaborate on cases so that you know again if U you know Jay has an issue he's not quite sure he can pick up the phone and we'll kind of brainstorm and and try to figure out the best ways to address it and we don't necessarily go on a diagnosis of hoarding disorder we look at the symptoms and kind of what's going on and and use our tools as best we can to figure out if we can offer assistance and and put together some sort of a a um cohesive response how do you handle the neighbors who may be reporting the issue and the quality of their life is affected by their neighbors Behavior that's hard um and again that also depends on whether it's um you know single family home with uh hoarding spilling out the yard or if there's a common wall um it's it really comes down to again as as a Resource Network um we're there to help um and whether it's the health department that calls us the VNA that calls us um and our role is to help the individual um and then you know we'll talk to the neighbor try to explain to them you know that this is not you know just somebody who's being lazy um but of course we also want to respect that person's privacy so you know again we generally just deal with the individual or the the service providers or Regulators that are dealing with the individual have you got any help from Legal Services I mean these are people who it may be unsafe but it's their home they're renting they own it um has any from Legal Services helped you out at your meetings uh actually it's it's generally the other way around um it's usually us helping out Legal Services right um you know there's been cases where uh individuals are about to be evicted and um you know we we can help to say okay let's see if we can um piece together some services for the individual uh we had a situation where an individual had um Elder services in uh in the home and they had Legal Services was involved because they were about to be evicted and we were able to coordinate um a a a plan so that the um Housing Authority said okay you know if you set up a plan and they reach certain targets then we will not continue with the eviction process and so far it's it's going well that's great um you know I think Legal Services absolutely can be helpful in in some instances and and again this is why I really would you know right now we're still struggling to kind of piece it together but I really want to get the meetings back to back up and running again because I think it's a really good uh way to collaborate find out what's going on across the region find out where our resources are that we may have you know kind of dropped off through covid and and just kind of again start that conversation again and see if we can um figure out some some ways to to truly help these individuals actually get some services and maybe some ongoing coaching or or things like that or even just funding for um you know tipping fees um you know we had a case where the individual couldn't afford a a transfer station sticker so we called up the town hall and said look is there anything you can help us with on this and they said well can she pay $10 every other week and she said yes okay here we go so right have there not been any best practices published by now since this just orderers been around there are yes um again what it comes down to is that the the uh health insurance doesn't reach far enough into it to provide those um again it's it's the um generally cognitive behavioral therapy is shown as you know being the the uh most successful in these cases and ideally um having somebody with regular coaching Services works very well there was a u a uh program with Metropolitan Boston Housing Partnership where you know one of their inspectors realized that he was kind of doing the same thing he would do the inspection and noted on the form you know you need to clean it up up and realized that um nobody was cleaning it up so he took it upon himself to start working with these individuals setting goals you know if they uh you know help them get connected with a primary care physician mental health assistance whatever they needed if there was a physical um limitation you know maybe somebody comes pick up the trash for them on a regular basis but he would work with them on a regular basis coaching them and you know was able to pay for it through the the Metropolitan Boston Housing Partnership we we have a significant um missing piece in the middle there that we're just not quite sure how to fund and how to continue moving forward with it how big a problem is it on the cake I you know again um you know they say three to six% the six% skews towards the older population which of course we have on Cape Cod um you know most people won't self-identify um but what I can say is it's in every town multiple cases in every town um that I am aware of and that's just one person so that's aware of all I I it's a it's a problem uh can you make um suggestions or give examples of how the Board of Health can constructively uh support this issue I think you I think um most importantly is being aware that it is a disorder um it is not something that people are just choosing not to comply um being understanding that it's not going to be fixed overnight uh often it takes months maybe even years um you know if at all possible obviously there are cases where condemnation is the only choice you know obviously we're we're concerned about the safety of the individual and as you mentioned neighbors um you know especially common wall neighbors um you know but if there's a way to uh address it with a harm reduction approach initially um and you know try to to guide that individual forward that's the best way to do it um you know and again ideally we will be bringing uh back together the the meetings for the cape cord according Resource Network um and I invite anybody to come join us at the meetings and and try to help us figure out how to uh how to help these individuals well certainly let let us know when the meetings are up and running absolutely and we'll have somebody there excellent that sounds great okay just um er thank you AR you give it very good explanation here as you can hear this is a deep and complex psychological issue right and it's as unique as each individual but I have to tell you we have in Yarmouth we have seen them over the past several months more and more cases it is surfacing they come from a variety of uh of sources where it could be the fire department might be a neighbor um it could be an in a strange family member someone long distance but it is a concern to us we ask Erica to come in because she she she does have uh the experience and the background to this I want to bring this to the board that it is an issue in our community like as Erica said so many communities but we need to start somewhere there's no quick fix she mentioned two words about building trust and collaboration if we can even start looking in that direction because I can tell you we're we feel somewhat at a loss and frustrated in that we really don't have those and we understand it it is not solved by writing an order or issuing a fine in any way this is a slow process to maybe to engage to build trust and move towards a solution so this is just the front end of but to start the conversation so that the board understands it the community listening understands that this is in our community it's not being it's being addressed it's being looked at and we want to build some infrastructure that we can respond properly so there's going to be more to come when the Resource Network um gets up and going if we can be part of that that would be terrific um I think some of the Human Service grants that you'll be talking about later has some infrastructure as well this is going to be a diverse and like a multi-prong approach uh faith-based organizations uh social workers certainly municipalities play a role uh neighbors and otherwise family members but it's something that it's on the cape it's not just unique to the cape but it's prevalent on the cape and we need to start that that Community discussion so the board is now aware and we're going to follow up with with the barnable County's Health and and try to move in that direction and I can't imagine it's just Yarmouth there'll be others I'm sure the other uh Community agents and we'll share information that we'll share information and resources and try and try to get help because individual because some of these are some of them that we saw most recently individuals are putting their lives at risk right they're putting their lives at risk fire department is very concerned sometimes we get able to get in the door to Simply say we'd like to check your smoke detectors and the fire department has been very helpful in that regard animals sometimes get are involved so Animal Control has been helpful everyone is compassionate and wants to do the right thing but as Erica said very well it's difficult to try to get to move in that the pathology is such that it's a very complex issue and and the progress is slow thank you for coming in uh good luck with your basement thank you very much I appreciate that thank you for thank you for having me thanks sir thank for com we'll stay in touch okay maybe yes maybe we could have Linda Colby come in and give us her perspective from working with this primarily probably citizens of Yarmouth but I'm sure not exclusively right just as another um not that you can beat what she did but just as a more individualized okay and again Mary we don't know I bet Linda would probably I don't know Linda would know the scope of this far better than I right I don't have my arms around this in any way I don't know how big this iceberg is we've seen a couple cases I don't know what's underneath should just be another perspective on it because she deals with the the support group and yeah be very familiar but so that the board understands and the community does understand this isn't clutter this isn't just a cape card garage where there's some things have stacked up this is now life and safety issue where they're not able to even maybe navigate their home we've gone into these homes Barry and I and we can't tell we're even in the kitchen it is light and safety issues should there be an instance where the fire department or a a wellness check has to be done they couldn't even get in the home um but it starts with building trust and uh that's that's the starting point we're here to help and that's that's that would be my hope that we can start in that regard but there'll be there'll be multiple partners in this but that's a great suggestion I can reach out on that okay um number three here is the Massachusetts paint stewardship bill um Carl you're here tonight present that and we if we move down we have you up for the eversource vegetation control and the railroad RightWay vegetation control so we're going to have you take off with 37 and8 on our agenda okay certainly Carl awon uh has as materials inspector with the health department uh the paint stewardship Bill information before you uh that's a Massachusetts House and Senate bill and um it started my knowledge of it uh came about when I attended a paint Forum put on by the cape quad uh Cooperative Extension and they run the Hazardous Materials uh collections across the cape they run about two dozen year throughout the county and uh they sponsored The Forum the bill is um is supported by mass recycle which is a nonprofit Massachusetts organization the board is made up of both uh Private Industry and public employees and within that they have a product Steward stewardship committee and the committee supports this bill and it's intended to uh increase the recycling of paint uh keeping it away from uh more of the uh public uh waste collections to save taxpayer money and also to keep it out of the landfills the ideally the oilbased paint which is flammable ideally that goes to a dedicated hazardous waste collection the latex paint is non-hazardous which doesn't mean it's non-toxic it just means it's not flammable not reactive so that can be dried out and put in Municipal trash but it would also be uh beneficial to municipalities to remove even the latex paint from the waist Stream So the stewardship Bill applies to both oil and latex based paints and uh if it becomes law it'll uh collect po of sale fees of a125 a gallon they'll be managed by a nonprofit uh those funds will be then be used to establish more free paint collection sites um so that the paint recycling can be more accessible in terms of location and times because right now there's limited times uh you know maybe two dozen times a year when Marcille County residents can dispose of oilbased paint and it's always on a Saturday morning um so this will expand the uh availability and um there's 11 states that have passed the law um some of them are neighboring states to Massachusetts and those are um New York Rhode Island Connecticut Vermont and Maine uh 70% of the collection sites are voluntary retail locations so the collection sites May Piggy back on to existing municipal haes waste collections uh maybe even at Municipal uh transfer stations but a lot of them will also uh likely be in uh retail stores and in the private sector uh I took a look at uh the state of Maine because I wanted to learn a little bit about what's going on in the nearby State and what I found the state of Maine they put out a annual report every years so I took a look at the 2023 annual report and I found that Maine identified 2 39 potential paint drop off sites and of those 82 were participating so there were 239 potential that they identified 82 or 34% so just about a third of participating but um that gives you an idea as to what a neighboring state is doing um Cape Cod Cooperative Extension also which I mentioned operates the uh public uh waste collections about half of the products collected right now uh they said our paint so that's a a lot of their load and of course the taxpayers are are bearing that brunt so um what Mass recycle is seeking through their product stewardship committee is this seeking uh Boards of health and municipalities to support this bill um in one out of three ways it could be um signing an endorsement form could be submitting a letter of support with the third one is passing a resolution and I put uh sample documents of each in your uh Board of Health packets and um I also received an email a directive email from uh Wanita trebert who is a uh product stewardship Committee Member and she's also with the cyia Newton public works department and she mentioned that the resolution the third option that's the longest road um to complete the endorsement form and the letter of support are the easier uh ways to support this bill so it's before this board for consideration to determine you know whether or not that's something you as a board want to support formally support I noticed on the list of people organizations towns that have supported it doesn't show any Boards of Health I noticed that too I didn't have a i attended the form which was about an hour and then I received this uh handout I noticed that later yes you know I can see how it would relate to us but I'm wondering if we are the best ones to endorse it and it shouldn't come perhaps from the town because that also would extend to you know any land um transfer station considerations and the business Community Etc I see I don't know what that's just my thought I don't mind endorsing it I think it's a good idea but I'm just wondering if it would be as good as having it come from say the board of Select or the Town Administrator I perhaps we could explore that DPW or we could do it as well as right another part of of the government here right um but yeah it's a good thought Mary but yes I I'd be fine endorsing it as a board of health member yeah I certainly would too question about which action to take what makes the most sense you I think the woman that spoke to you about the resolution is right on it took forever to get that resolution out supporting the waste water management treatment program because it goes through so many layers so many editors so I think and in that endorsement form is kind of funky so I'd just do a letter of support and recommend to the select board or the Town Administrator that they also support it that would be my suggestion anyone see what that document is right now this is I I put down actually to before so this is aample of a letter what you're looking at near the endorsement that's keep going second the last page no it's not that it's the Mad here what we're talking about Charlie you have it no I do now okay great wait a minute yeah there's one thing I may add uh Kia B Sho who is a hazardous materials specialist with uh the Cape Cod Cooperative Extension she she's available by Zoom uh to answer uh additional questions the board may have she's otherwise monitoring the meeting oh great hi there you're welcome to the say anything you'd like if you'd like to contribute to the discussion here in any way okay hello can you hear me all right absolutely okay great yeah it's nice to be invited U thank you Carl for summing up um the paint stewardship bill and I just wanted to note that the Barnesville County Commissioners have uh endorsed this bill and they've uh endorsed it in the past which allows uh Cap Cod cooperative extension for whom I work uh to uh educate uh boards like yourself on this um resolution but I am only offering information uh not any in any way endorsing policy change I wanted to point out that the Cape Cod in Islands uh Health agents Coalition has endorsed this bill and um as well as the mass Municipal Association so while Boards of Health may not have be specifically listed in the background they are supporting uh select boards to endorse this bill uh sometimes on Cape Cod Health departments are the fiscal agents or the primary stakeholders for the household hazardous ways collection uh invoices which um have been escalating in costs over the last couple of years and so they are a health departments can be a primary stakeholder in this conversation in Yarmouth the DPW pays uh for the household hazardous ways collection invoices so that's something to keep in mind and to kind of hop around a little bit Carl gave you a very comprehensive succinct um you know overview of this bill but I did want to note that one of the beneficial aspects to it is that um small businesses and large businesses can participate uh in paint drop off year round uh and that's um to some degree part of the household hazardous ways collection events we do offer small business waste disposal that's sort of how I partner with Carl uh in a more boots on the ground way and so um you know if you are a general contractor you're a cleanout company you um have a paint store and you want to get rid of your waist paint generally you can only do that April through October and you do have to pay this uh bill would um alleviate uh the inconvenience of April through October you could disp of your paint year round and you would also not have to pay whether you're a resident or a DPW or any Municipal Department that may have paint but also businesses and I think that's really important to point out um and then just to underscore the um the cost of household hazardous waste collection events which is really at the heart of the matter um when I look at sustainability of the program uh household hazardous ways collection events are escalating in costs for a number of different factors and um while Yarmouth doesn't pay a lot for paint as comp as compared to other towns you do pay um 10,000 plus dollars a year to collect only oilbased paints at two events some towns have more than two hazardous waste collection events Yarmouth has two and you pay about $10,000 a year to dispose of paint only um oilbased paint only and so um to quantify it uh you know this would allow residents of Yarmouth to drop off paint year ground they could drop off any kind of paint uh excluding aerosols um and for no cost and so there's a real great aspect it's convenience and cost and I I I'm around for questions but I just wanted to make sure that that was U that those factors were known is this somehow modeled after the the return of oil I mean that's has come up before when there've been issues for the transfer station accepting oil here where Eric you've brought this up where you can bring oil to a store am I correct yes I'm sorry you were talking to Eric oh that that's all right Carl I I I believe any um retailer for engine oil I believe is required to accept the uh waste oil uh product as well so um Eric is correct there's uh it's it's and it's a good theory um I I think if you try to bring your motor oil uh back to CVS they would struggle to collect it um the nice thing about paint care if you were to compare these programs is the architectural codings Association uh which are the group organizations companies that make paint they manage the nonprofit through a company called Paint care so all of the paint companies are really on board uh the folks that make paint are really on board with um collecting that paint back and reusing it REM making it back into what it was originally manufactured to be used for and they are um the paint care the nonprofit or arm of the American uh codings Association the people that make paint are the folks that are tasked with taking it back and creating the infrastructure for create for taking back the paint so they have they're incentivized to create a very strong vibrant Network for taking back that paint because they recycle it and then they resell it were you were you about to say something or or not before no thank you Eric covered it thank you okay so what action can we take tonight that would that's an open question how about we'll start with you for an answer okay what are our actually do if we're doing something tonight would you like to take one of the the three measures outlined to support the paint stewardship Bill and as um oneita to tryber pointed out um the the first and second are um probably going to be the uh easiest shortest paths um very you mentioned the endorsement form has some applications to it I I agree that aren't the endorsement form of the letter of support the resolution um I understand would be a longer process I I would go with the letter of support there is a there is a sample letter of support in our packet you agree with Mary Larry Charlie what do you think agree and I also think we should recommend to um I either directly to DPW or to the select board that they endorse it that sound okay to you if I could just ask a question for Clyde could are you back with us could you maybe just speak to Mary's observation that a local Board of Health isn't on the list of supporters on this yes so the there's been I think there's three bills in the House and Senate currently um sponsored by different um select uh different Representatives or Sen s uh there's a sense of urgency with this particular one because it's in the house Ways and Means and so I think there's been some people like w tryber that have been uh trying to get uh select boards to sign on to it for quite a long time and the cape has been not as um as uh ahead of this as we could have been so I think it may be that that some of the other communities around Massachusetts have um had the time uh to get it to their before their select board where now we're kind of limited uh or not we but the the state is kind of limited uh so we're trying to get who we're not trying to we're trying to let everyone know um that you know this is an opportunity for them and if they want to they can sign it and I believe the end of June is the cut cut off point so I don't know if it has to do with the timing of the select board agenda being posted how often select boards meet um um could be any number of those factors uh I I don't know is would it be more impactful coming from certainly the the board it just wants to seems to they want to pick maybe the best Avenue but is it more impactful coming from the board of selectman which represents the whole community and and maybe have some strength in that regard is does that would that be more a stronger endorsement or coupled with the Board of Health just guide us on that um I I I I don't know the answer to that honestly I uh I I being longtime member of a Board of Health uh uh in Mash p and Provincetown I feel like Boards of Health have a lot of um uh a lot of weight their opinions uh in their in their declarations but I I don't um and I don't discount that I do think select boards obviously you know it's a little bit more representative uh I don't know I I I couldn't answer that I don't know when your next select board meeting is and if the agenda's been filed I think Carl would be more um well aware of that I haven't been appraised of that thank you well our letter would go anyway with them right anyway and then we would also let the board the select board know that we sent a letter in um okay recommending it and that we would request that they do the same how about that whether or not they get it in in time it wouldn't hurt to have them on record supporting it if there are three bills and and maybe the director DPW I mean that sounds fine logistically of doing that I don't know their schedule I certainly can we can we do is give it to them right all we do is work with it I can get this to the Town Administrator and also to Jeff Colby at DPW because they they're the the ones directly their department is directly impact well certainly the environment is our concern as well and the boards obviously um your perview but Jeff and the recycling center be becomes a they're directly in line with this and it would that operation would be directly affected up at the uh recycling center so I could get this to Jeff and to this the Town Administrator and ultimately to the selectman but in any case it will come from us right away with the V is there yeah yep y okay okay that sounds good and what about signing it in other words so it oh you can sign it for us or I'll come in and sign it too I mean whatever needs to be done the letter can we can say by by unanimous vote and a um if I don't want to presuppose a vote here but uh by a vote and then signed by the chair that would is fine yeah I think that it expedites it expedites the process hill we could get your signature that we can bring it to you or you can stop however okay so probably need a motion then to um in support of the letter of support um whether we want to move forward with it or not so I move that we um send a letter of support uh for the the Massachusetts paint stewardship Bill and that we also recommend or or communicate with the DPW that the department staff Comm unicate with DPW and the town manager Town Administrator and request that they also support the bill referring to both fills right right great yes okay well stated thank you any other discussion on it put a second for this okay thank you all in favor just raise your hand say I I okay okay got all right yep I'm good with that that's for sure okay thank you certainly um thank you C thank you thank you you're welcome to stay on with any of these but okay um Carl don't go too far away we're up to eversource vegetation control number seven on your agenda and that some information was obviously in your packet okay so certainly many of you may have uh some familiarity with this topic um because it's been discussed in the past at Board of Health meetings um so evur has uh again uh for 2024 submitted to the Mass Department of Agriculture their 2024 yearly operational plan for vegetation control submitted that for approval is required by state regulation and um Mass Department of Agriculture who reviews the plan they're also the sole regulating authority of pesticide use in the State uh per Massachusetts General law so the 2024 yearly operational plan from urce it describes how vegetation will be managed on electric right of way 302 in Yarmouth and um electric RightWay 302 that spans Yarmouth from from the Barnstable line all the way west to the Dennis line heading approximately east and west and uh it's on the south side of Route 6 and I know other times we've discussed the right of way that's on the north side of Route 6 but just to give you an approximation of where in town this lies and as in the past uh this plan it's an integrated Pest Management plan which means they don't use just one method of control they uh integrate mowing mechanical cutting and herbicide applications as needed and the species are also targeted so unlike many years ago when they sought to eliminate all vegetation the right away they now seek to preserve the low growing species because the low growing species will crowd out to some extent the taller growing species so over time the more of a low growing plant Community they can establish in the right of way the better it necessitates it requires less maintenance as time goes on less herbicide less cutting and so forth so um there also there's a lot of uh elements that have to be included in this plan and those are all dictated in the state regulation uh the state regulation is 333 cmr1 rights of away management and one part of that is there are designated sensitive areas and there are two types of sensitive areas there's limited spray and there's no spray areas and uh these areas are delim delineated by the dist to Wetlands surface waters and uh public and private water supply Wells so um within those areas so in the limited spray area that's Limited in terms of how much pesticide they can apply and how often so for example if they have to go back more often every year they can't apply the pesticide every year in a limited spray area in a no spray area which is even closer to these Wells and surface waters they can't apply any pesticide at any time so those have to be mechanically cut or mowed uh and and the goals of the yop the yearly operational plan the reason they do this is to keep the vegetation a safe distance from power line so it doesn't grow into it uh maintain safe access for service Crews um removing the tall growing poisonous and invasive plant species and promoting those low growing uh communities that I talked about and the IL operational plan doesn't apply to Yarmouth every year this there is a 2024 plan but they don't need to do this every year it's on an as-needed basis so that's why you might not hear about it uh some years so um it hasn't changed since the last Board of Health review in uh 2023 so um I have submitted a comment letter because uh we had kind of a short review here of the deadlines coming up on the 21st so I've already submitted that comment letter based on the board of health concerns previous years um the one thing I did additionally was I asked for some clarification on their Maps because the maps had a few colors and I gave you each a copy the colors don't reproduce that accurately but there are a few colors which aren't included in the key and I can see that they've delineated the proper areas I I just like some interpretations on what those different colors represent if if anything or if it could all be one uniform color so I'll um see what kind of response we get on that see what some uh revised Maps may look like um so that that's the background on um that plan any thoughts from anyone Yeah Carl is there any consideration to Wildlife with these sprays these you know I I I've read it in I can't tell you exactly what it is um I know I've seen in past plans and they also do the Y operational plan is a specific time in this case 2024 in a very specific location the vegetation management plan they do every five years and that's a fiveyear broader stroke plan where it out lies what all the different practices are I know from I'm not sure if it's in the plan but in speaking with uh individuals at Mass D Mass Department of Agriculture I'm told that the herbicides they become inert pretty quickly they they don't say poisonous a long time and uh they also use drift C they don't use drift drift cards every year but the drift card is a tool by which they can tell how much the herbicide will drift under normal application conditions and there's restrictions on winds speed as to when they can be applied so um that's what I know about that the one other thing I can say about Wildlife is I understand that some uh organizations like the low growing they call it early successional landscape because it's beneficial for certain Wildlife that doesn't um necessarily do as well in a forest or in an open field yeah early Su I might be able to get you more information on that well they call it early successional and that's typically where you'll get more Wildlife because there's more food available but the other consideration would be Birds nesting you know that sort of thing especially like for example turkeys nesting uh the time of year would have a lot to do with when they yeah I'm sorry that I can't answer yeah I I could see if I could find more information this would be more consideration to Wildlife if it was done this is a a very um productive you know a fertile time for wildlife so certainly this time of year wouldn't be the best time to apply those herbicides you know U like late fall through winter early spring would be I think safer for watch life just my opinion fact life thank you for that yeah I don't I don't recall timing in the past when it spring I do know for this year the present uh operating period would be from the approval of this plan until October 18 so unfortunate would not be late late fall and Winters planned this year but yeah so that obviously they're not really considering that aspect of wildlife safety I see you know it it just because of the fact that their timing is is inappropriate from that point of view I see okay perhaps the next time the letter goes out we we can make that comment that Larry has made sure we we could add that to comments um I could probably submit another comment letter now I I could check into that because we still have time in this period we still have about a week that's my opinion but it might be you know the board might think otherwise I just not sure so just an additional thought to your point Larry I mean when you're trying to control uh perennial veget ation the most effective time to kill it with an herbicide would be in the late summer or fall when plants are treat translocating um the materials they produce in the leaf when they're translocating those sugars and things down into the root system so just from a vegetation management standpoint um this isn't the best time to apply it as well um and you know to to um elaborate a little bit more on your question I I know that glyphosate or Roundup in particular is um very harmful for aquatic life so any Vernal pool might be affected by it there's a lot of activity in these vernal pools that we should shouldn't Overlook there setbacks to those surface waters and I could read the regulation I can't remember the measurement specifically just a yeah yeah I noticed you know I used to I'm I'm a I feed a lot of birds in wildlife and I noticed you know for a long time we had a lot of hummingbirds now we don't see any so I mean something happened obviously to those made they're insect eaters and I'm just my curiosity is to why we're not seeing the hummingbirds we used to see we're not seeing the flying insects that we used to because of climate change right is that what it is in terms of I thought was the tree swallows the you know on all we're not seeing as many had two this year and I had any for a couple of years in the past these insecticides have to be toxic to these birds as well because they eat large quantities of these insects right so perhaps you could add in the comment that Eric's making or or direction or suggestion that he's made absolutely that's great very aidite Eric you I I could put uh both of those comments uh in one comment letter one additional comment letter thank you that' be great people okay with that I don't think we need a formal vote if everyone sort of yeah I appreciate the effort call thank you okay the the uh Wildlife concerns and the timing on the um most effective time to apply to vegetation those two things okay certainly Carl anything else that's everything thank you everything yeah thank you Carl certainly you're welcome appreciate it it's helpful as usual okay so back up to number four okay this is the tobacco regulations specifically restriction on the sale of flavored tobacco uh was a letter there in our packet I'm sure everyone read it but maybe you can bring us up to date on it sure I just want to include this it really I know yth quite frankly I think brief has a history as far as a flavored tobacco and some challenges that with done this goes back I'm not sure how long ago that was but I know you were Pioneers in this and actually took a u a strong position on flavored tobacco this came through the State Department of Public Health and I just wanted the the board to be aware it's it's better defining which is it's difficult because Distributors are are defining it one way and they're trying to sell the product and move the product onto the shelf and retailers are caught in the middle state dph has a different regulation so this this defines exactly you know as far as what con TOS of flavored tobacco um it has to be first of all tobacco product and produce characterizing flavors and and and through that it gives some kind of some parameters of distinguishable taste and Aroma packaging public statements right scientific articles but then it lists on the on the back the second page the uh products that now are considered and determined to be by the State Department of Public Health using these parameters Newport non-menthol Newport exp non-menthol caramel Crush non-menthol Oasis caramel crisp non-menthol green box and Maverick non-menthol it just what we're going to be doing Bob kette has gotten this Phil will have this as well when he's going out it just gives it a a clear definition of thank you Mary clarification as to what constitutes a flavored tobacco it's very ambiguous it it is very difficult so well it isn't it doesn't say flavored on it and it's a little kind of cat and mouse between Distributors and the retailers and quite frankly the individuals that you permit are caught in the middle yes and uh so it's difficult so they all have this is more education at least it's very it provides Clarity and they all received this y good all our retailers yes right Toco license great I think we're now at 28 right we lost one that's correct yeah just wanted you be aware yeah I appreciate that okay number five there is the 2024 CYO bacteria monitoring it here so the presentation that you heard at at the last uh meeting that went up to the Town Administrator he assigned that so apcc will now be monitoring right and we'll be seeing that it'll it'll be showing up on uh on their website uh whether it's one warnings or red flags just want you to know that that the presentation that you heard your endorsement was then brought up to the to the Town Administrator and he has moved that forward and signed the contract okay uh number six everyone this is for the 2025 border of Health Human Service funding allocations in your packet you'll see the uh spreadsheet there that I created um which I volunteered to do whether it was the right thing to do or not but this is what I came up with and essentially it's something to look at and consider as an option I had to come up with something for us to look at and consider tonight Come Away with a totally different way of doing this of dividing up to 60 ,000 that we have to work with and support of these organizations so I added up the amount that people selected for each organization and worked some math and took 20% of it of those amounts as you see in this in the second column the 20% Board of Health proposed allocation and I got a figure uh that was pretty close you a little over 57,000 um just couple things to mention that last column Board of Health members allocating if that's helpful tonight when the board decides what they want to do you can see the number of board members who uh selected to give money to that organization um you can see there four organizations that everyone uh selected uh there was if you look over at the yth food pantry uh there was it came up to $4500 uh over what was requested I think there was one individual who um thought more money would be appropriate than what was requested um and that's I just want to make sure mentioned in the last meeting is make sure it's not skewed that someone didn't say well I want to give $60,000 to this one organization that would not help what we're trying to figure out here I felt and so that did not happen there's just one example here which I point out for the Y with food pantry now uh Larry you weren't at the last meeting and I had asked you ahead of time for your suggestions um so you didn't know the the playing rules quite yet um and what you had given me was something like 48,000 out of the 60,000 and you stated that you would go with whatever the other board members wanted to do just well some of these associations I'm relatively unfamiliar with so I I based my opinions on what I understood about those organizations so that's right no absolutely I'm one reason I'm mentioning it is that there's some money that's remaining to be allocated then maybe that's something you could decide how you feel about it this $2,500 left over here um if it was something that you uh wanted to make a suggestion specifically for so so first thing is is this a good way of going about it or not um I move that we accept the um proposed um allocation that Hillard has come up with looking at all of the monies that we individually um said we we would want to give to the 12 organizations is that a motion yes we would need to decide about the other money that' be a second thing that'd be second motion okay great fine um just to get discussion going is there a second to that motion a second okay so now it's open for some some discussion of whether it's a good way to go back about it or not so um I I may have missed this uh Mr chairman the 20% uh Board of Health proposed allocation how I assume that's because there's five members is that where that 20% came from no it was my trying to come up with a number that would end up being close to 60,000 that's all so I divided each by five okay that's all each what was the proposed allocation divided by five I think that's how it came up with the numbers uh okay look at Independence house is 32,000 you divide it by five it's 6,000 you know change that's sort of how that it's simple math is what I did or look at the age support group the total group uh was 15,000 or you know in change and 20% is $100 whatever so it's fairly simple that's how I came about with it excuse me what's the problem there may not be or there may be just a question of whether the board wants to do it this way this is just how I came up with uh something to get this off the ground it doesn't mean we have to do anything like this at all just discussing discussing my motion to accept this or not I mean we haven't voted on it yet makes good sense to me and way makes fa Equitable yeah I mean after figure it out last meeting and it's kind of mindboggling I think they each made a nice um presentation I think at least we acknowledge that each and every group would receive Equitable amount of money according to what we have right something I mean and Equitable as defined by the members because he took what each of us would have allocated and summed it and then took 20% of it that's how we came up those numbers right yep y so yeah I think it was I think it's fine yeah take a vote Yes okay all in favor of the motion raise your hand say I I I okay so that passes and now there's the point of what to do with the remaining money to be allocated which if you look at the First Column there under our allocations there's 2,5 61 remaining dollars for us to decide you know how to distribute that money what happens to that amount uh if it is not allocated to one of these organizations my feeling is you spend it yeah I I agree I'm just curious General funds just someone's house repair here on the board anyone need something for their house that's go to the Cape Cod hoing passport doesn't no doesn't work that way I'm sorry yeah go give it to the Cape Cod horning Resource Network they didn't ask for it but they need it right interesting that was very sar from you yeah they need something somewhere I give them a start you know is there any issue if someone hasn't sent in an application um no I mean the the board has disc question in that the only with the task force a resource network is to making sure that this is allocated just to Yarmouth right because they're they're across multiple communities so it could be earmarked for yth you know instance things that nature that would be a caveat to the funding well except that what they're trying to do is develop a program so I mean the program would have to be it would be one that would apply to all of their constituents so I I wouldn't want to limit it you see what I'm saying they don't have a program yet this to me is kind of like money help them it's a pilot program to Kickstart this is yeah first phase of dollars sure it would be applicable to Yarmouth because we have individuals who have this problem this disorder I guess it's the only way to look at it right okay at this point with the how the organization is these organizations service people other than just Yarmouth I mean even the food pantry it's includes but I understand what you're saying because we have in the past said we want to know how many yoth residents have been right benefited by this program what may I make a suggestion maybe sure uh what about then the senior center for their program the the Barry Treasures program that they've been doing well I'd rather not do that until I heard from Linda because I mean it's a yeah I'd rather not do that okay I just yeah um because I don't know what the cost is I mean it's it's a social worker who leads it and certainly she has a salary um but I'd rather look at the bigger picture I think okay um and we certainly can direct them a little bit you easiest if it comes from your department you know from the say in the future we will want to know how many Yarmouth residents are served if if indeed we continue to be able to give you some money and that's not a given right you know Erica we work pretty closely with Bible just I I could have her not necessarily a formal application but what would this what with these startup dollars these infusion of of dollars to get this up and going and how would it translate and what could you get done with that what would you put that those dollarss towards so I could get I could request that I should say from the uh from the Resource Network what that would look like well You' mentioned there are some cases that will come in front of this board from individuals living in the town who are suffering from from hoarding um and that is there we've already had them we've had them we've had several already said some cases yeah right now are there funds is there money that could be spent to help those individuals whether it's paying for clearing out property or whatever that would be along your lines of something specific for this town um or things not getting done in our town for these individuals because of money yeah we we we struggle with that we don't we don't have the funding for that remember you came to the board for because you had rented some dumpsters right for one particular there were there were times we have had to go to find dollars inside our and we a pretty AAL budget just so you know there's not a lot of extra extra dollars within within the health budget for that um so this this could say I'd have to write something up for the board to review if you want to pause I could maybe uh I I could write something up on how we would handle again at $2,500 but it might be something sometimes it's just could be transportation for them to the the dumpster sticker something of that nature it give you some infusion of dollars and there would not be I mean be sitting with you that money wouldn't have to be spent in that year no it could yeah would stay it's for the same reason but it could be January 2026 that it it's used for we would sign up we would create a line item and then draw it down and we're already a vendor I mean we' be we'd be part of the system so would be able to to allocate those dollars it's creative thinking yeah no that that would might work it's different than what you were saying Mar I don't know I mean what do you think because I well it's different but it's it's okay I mean it's a start right it it may be helpful when the select board looks at what we're doing here's something very specific for our town perhaps it's very concrete examples of what the health department needs the money for right pretty simple to look at as long as it can be done I mean logistically you can do it right you can take that money back from it has never been done right but we're putting it towards these are Human Service and it's just the vendor is now going to be the health department right delivering the services right right that they for which they have no money right now no we we raise awareness we work with faith-based organizations Elder servic has really been um our go-to on this VNA has helped uh fire department is help but really I'm going to tell you it hasn't delivered a lot of results these are difficult but this would give us a start would help in some way okay we're not gonna I we're not going to bring on an individual with this dollars we be this but it might eliminate some some Financial barriers right right yeah so be it so it's you do a great job making these proposals so yeah this is I think it's a great idea this is the MVP of our series here so and continues to be so yeah Char would you make the motion that we use this money the 2561 for according take the 2,561 $61 and do what give it to the health department to support hoarding expenses yes okay okay I second second motions thank you hope there no more discussion that's great all in favor raise your hand say I and motion pass say great good up everybody thank you I'd like to WR something up so the board understands that you have for the next meeting um that you'll have an understanding of what exactly how we're be using that and how that where that will sit and how that'll be done okay well we'll see if you have new radial tires on your car okay so let's move ahead then um final draft the poultry regulations signatures are required it's a big moment everyone yeah here we go so um last meeting we did the you guys agreed on the changes I have it right here I will pass it down you can read it you want the back pages the signatures um when you're done with that please hand it back so we can file it upstairs and make it official bar did you eliminate the um guine hens we we inserted guine the guine hens your recommendation and there was there were several edits that the chair found redundant on a few things there was some wording I think it might have been a a punctuation but there was a spelling and a or a sentence that was redundant the edits that were suggested but yes not substantive not substantive not subst by they can ask for a variance for Roosters and Guy hens so here we go we got time for the game Eric will um when would be a good time for me to get you this so for you to sign you are not here but you are president to sign it how would you like me to coordinate with you on this do you have my cell I can get it off record yeah yeah I mean we could just coordinate a time maybe later this week um Thursday or Friday I could stop Thursday be better for me or I can get one of my one of the agents to meet you somewhere I can I can come to you that's all right thank you I appreciate it yeah I just want to make sure you get your signature on it since you're here okay this sounds like it's done um there couple inserts here in the packet one was the opioid related overdose death some statistics there the you thought the board should should see numbers have moved down 10% inment 23 moving in the right directions certainly the opio dollars with the Yack group uh Daniel Rodriguez uh and Annie from the police department have come forward there's a group that meets once a month that we come together um there are dollars that are being put towards nonprofits uh in the community but you can see that the numbers have already have have made a difference and again these are Statewide numbers so what about Yarmouth can we hear from the police department about yarmouth's death can find out sure think they report on a they report on a monthly basis I can get those but I just I included that in the pack because I think the board should know right good news yeah it' be nice if we we saw something over the last number of years I'm sure that's all computerized they could just database they all out yeah yep okay we have heard in the past occasionally from them when something has come up and also the packet was um statistics from the uh checking the waters the beaches yeah the beaches question about that because it said um Please be aware that posting is only required if one of the following criteria is met was nothing I didn't cop well just if I could just hear about that when do you post would we get uh so they do the samples Monday mornings and we usually uh find out by Wednesday afternoon if there is any um issues then when as soon as if there's any issues um with the testing they go out and retest that beach immediately and we usually hear by Thursday morning if there's any issues and we have not had glad to say we have not had any closures in the town of Yarmouth yet what's the criteria for closing I'm not for sure on that um I think Phil might have I mean one of them um there was posting and it was 164 and I can understand I mean that's a pretty high number compared to all of these others but um you know Indian Memorial was 34.5 Lyman Lane 39.9 it was just the one posting and I guess it was cut off but it says yes parentheses single nothing else but I assume that meant that there was a posting of single posting but yes I'd like to know what causes you to actually post we do I'll get with the with the county and uh see what they they actually must be some levels that they look at okay I'd be more than happy to do that for us thank you thanks good pick out just on that um today was the first day uh of the beach is opening okay they're open permanently and I checked I was over at uh natural resources so full staff of lifeguard so you hear you hear on the news the communities are struggling will Yarmouth actually does the training themselves so the these lifeguards don't have to pay for that they're trained and they have a full complement of lifeguards so that the community understands that the uh the beaches are now open and fully staffed right and the board the board now news understands that it started today and the water park actually opened uh believe it was last Thursday it's that's a big attraction in Town that's that's the big player in town and the and the the Water Park is open and the same new the the attractions expand each time was what the inflatable park and now it's it's certainly much more than that it's uh they mve the margins on that it's exponentially improved just in the short couple years that I've been here so they're open and the beaches are open and we've got some warm weather coming um so pools the swimming pools has Phil gotten around to all of them now actually you had a report in the last um they weren't all there may be a few left but I signed them on a fairly regular basis um I would say by this because usually coincides with the schools with the schools being out my guess is they're all open now okay keep the tourist happy well you can use the traffic and you'll see that and that's we're a touristic Community right and it's Wonder F it's wonderful for the business Community um as long as everyone stays safe okay we're up to number 10 here it's new and old business anyone no I'm all set um I mean certainly we need to decide about our next meeting um that that first week that first week will be difficult because it's Fourth of July week I thought possibly if the board would might be willing to go to a once month in July that 17th looks like a a the date of the third we would have this room for the 17th of July am I it the 15th 15th I apologize no it's right that's third third Monday that's what I had picked great okay is that okay with everyone 15th next meeting okay 15th of July there I won't be there okay in Dublin what about the mdam in Budapest what are you talking about I flighted Dublin then Dublin to Budapest okay well there a couple hours in the airport or what I'll do my best call in I will you yes no you'd love to go to Dublin right that work okay you want to vote on or what okay um I mean it's 7 o'cl I mean want to work towards getting everyone out of here I know that people have to get ready for this game because otherwise we're gonna have to you know if Boston doesn't win one game we're going to be dealing with like a reactive depression here in town yeah it's going to be dangerous here if they don't win a game soon so we ought to move towards adjournment be my advice I moved it wej take your Nick fan I second yes it's true you don't have to say that public I'll need the tires Ser see you're next year up there yeah I mean coached basketball for years in New York okay all the churches I was the coach absolutely so yes thank you Larry that's where your roots are I understand yeah hard to give that up of course and all my heroes are dying if you look the front page I mean all the players it's that okay so all in favor Journey Raise Your Hands Say ey okay meeting's over thank you everyone I appreciate your efforts Eric I'll leave the uh the supp you to sign at the front at the front counter sure and Thursday you said is best yeah any day any day you want to come in okay great thank you that's exciting huh this for sure --------- welcome to the June 17th 2024 meeting in the arth Board of Health please note this is a hybrid participation meeting where someone can come sit here and be part of us here or remotely via zoom and there plenty of instructions on the town website of how to accomplish that uh as for attendance let's start there Eric are you present Eric zooming in I think Eric maybe unmute I can't y uh present welcome okay there we are okay Charlie you present present okay Larry present Mary present I'm Hillard and obviously present as well okay start the agenda public comment if there's anyone out there or wherever they're zooming in has any issues like to address the board with anybody any hands up anything anybody I don't think so okay let's go to number two this is a the hoarding task force apparently there is an Eric Woods who might be here who's the deputy director of health and environment in Barnstable County and it looks like that would be me that' be you okay just for the record so people can hear you introduce yourself that's all absolutely uh for the record my name is Erica Woods I am the chair of what is now known as the Cape Cod hoarding Resource Network and I am the deputy director soon to be interim director of the barso County Department of Health and environment that's a lot to put together a lot to put together I did pretty well though didn't I practice coming in I did that's my whole ride here I didn't see you reading anything okay it's all yours all right so um as I mentioned uh we used to be uh called the Cape Cod hoarding task force um you know but our our main purpose is education collaboration and support and we thought it was more appropriate to uh change our name to the Resource Network um you know as task force kind of sounds like you're going to go in and you're going to clean everything up and you're just going to take care of it all and unfortunately that's not what we can do so um and just to give you a little bit of background um the reason why I got involved with the hoarding task force I was the assistant Health agent for the town of Orleans and uh I got involved in 2011 uh which was about a year after it started and um basically you know we had those cases where you know a neighbor called to complain about somebody or you know the uh the uh Council on Aging uh came across an individual and and the only tool that we have in our toolbx as a health agent is to issue an order that says clean it up and really you know if these individuals were able to do that they would so um we actually there was a presentation um by Christiana bradi Otis and Jesse edil veter at the college in 2010 and and they were encouraging um task forces um because they realized that um you know responding to individuals struggling with hoing disorder was very seldom um successful from just one entity no matter who that was and what they really wanted to try to promote was collaboration between organizations individuals um departments Etc and that's how the group got started um you know one thing I want to kind of Step Aside a little bit just so that you know we could talk a little bit about hoarding disorder uh the definition of it um because I think there's a lot of misconceptions out there on what horning disorder really is and I'm going to read to you from the um the diagnostic and statistical manual number five uh came out in 2013 prior to this uh hoing disorder was uh classified under obsessive compulsive disorder but as of 2013 it has its own um uh diagnosis and it is the persistent dis difficulty discarding or parting with possessions regardless of their actual value this difficulty is due to the perceived need to save the items and to the distress associated with discarding them uh the wey discarding possessions results in the accumulation of these items so that they congest and clutter the living spaces so that they are no longer able to be used as intended and it creates um a a a a um severe distress to the individual or possibly other individuals in the unit so one of the first things is again the persistant difficulty discarding um it's not necessarily it doesn't have to be active collecting involved there's often situations where individuals you know inherit items from their parents when they pass away and then you know the aunt they inherit those items and they have such a deep connection to these items that they can't part with them so they just keep building and building and building over the years obviously we've heard about those cases where individuals do actively collect um you know all started with QVC and now Amazon just just make it so much easier to be able to do that um it could be um the need to uh stop at every yard sale that you drive by on on your way um but again it doesn't necessarily have to include active acquiring um another specifier is um Insight uh there it actually has been shown that many people have an Insight that they do understand that they're struggling with something um um but they continue to anyway whether that's because they can't find the right help um and I will tell you right now it's very hard to find help for individuals struggling with hoarding disorder um or it might be a matter of you know maybe they don't have any insight you know again they're climbing in through their bedroom window because it's the only way they can access their their home but they just don't see it as being an issue they're able to do it it's the way they live and it's just you know not otherwise it's not a problem according to them so you know again the the big thing the the key points on this is it's it's the inability to discard items and it could be very simply a piece of paper it could be a broken teacup that you know my I remember having tea parties with my grandmother and this teacup I know the handle's broken but if I throw it away I'm I'm throwing her away along with it you know that there's that identification or maybe it's the the most beautiful teacup in the world and I just can't part with it cuz I'll miss it too much and you know again when we think about um these individual items we have to remember that this is somebody's possession um you know I went to a training once and I thought this was quite interesting way to describe it and they they basically said you know okay trade uh wallets or purses with the person sitting next to you and you know without doing I I'm going to tell you what we want you to do but don't do anything and and you know so you know when I tell you to take out three items from that wallet and you're going to throw it in the trash and everybody of course grabbed their items back again and if you think about it you know going into somebody's home and trying to make those decisions for them that's exactly what you're going to get you're going to get no way shut the door see you later goodbye um I kind of went a little sideways on that one cuz I do also want to mention squalor um it's squalor is often confused with hoarding but they are two separate things squalor is more of uh a self- neglect an apathy um it's not somebody actively saving and holding on and and not able to discard or part with the items it is just the items continue to collect they don't notice them they don't even it doesn't even register that they're there likely if somebody came in and cleaned those items away they wouldn't even notice for the most part there are cases when hoarding will flip over you know kind of cross that line into squalor uh for instance an individual who gets Meals on Wheels and they're so you know just thankful that they're getting these meals on wheels that it would be wasteful to throw away any leftover food and you know maybe they can't eat everything so it keeps stacking in the refrigerator and the new ones come in and it keeps getting stacked that starts to get moldy then it spills over onto the counter and it continues from there and then you have Vermin and filth and you know that's when it tips over in the squalor so you've started with hoarding uh where that individual is actively saving and holding on to those items and because of that it has gone to a point where again things the food is rotting you might have pests uh filth Etc so again a lot of people use those terms interchangeably and and they're not really interchangeable um hoarding itself um it actually starts at a young age uh generally in the teenage years um and you don't necessarily notice it uh you know the parents will clean up the bedroom or or you know tell you to clean things off the floor so that kind of keeps it in check and then then you go to to college and you have roommates and they keep it in check and usually it's kind of hanging out in the background a little bit until maybe there's some sort of a traumatic event where it really comes to the Forefront um the estimates are anywhere between 3 and 6% of the population struggle with hoarding disorder um part of the uh the reason for that big difference is because people don't want to self-identify cuz it's very shameful there's a lot of Shame associated with it again you know people uh look at individuals struggling with hoarding as you know slobs lazy they're just filthy you know when it really is a uh a disability it's a a disorder that these individuals struggle with um you know one of the things that that again as uh Health agents and just individuals who care about people it's it's hard to help individuals with struggling disorder it's not an easy process it's um there's a lot of factors associated with it again there's a wide range of insight you know from yes I know I have a problem but I can't find help for it too I don't have a problem I don't need any help and anywhere in between um it it's a mental health diagnosis um but there is some evidence that again depending on the severity depending on what other uh co-occurring illnesses are going on um you know there are uh success stories when uh individual is paired up with a coach or a self-help group um there are others that have such severe depression and anxiety that you have to address that first and then you know go back to the hoarding this is something that I could talk for hours and hours on um you know that's kind of a a a real quick overview of of what hoarding is um as a Resource Network um again we started in 2010 and uh we met on a regular basis uh some years it was monthly some years it was quarterly uh we would have an educational presentation and we would invite it all you know people from every service industry Etc so we had attending the meeting we had uh police fire um mental health consultants uh councils on Aging Elder Services Health agents uh we had uh organizational companies uh we did have um some of the larger shall we say cleanout companies uh with the understanding that we don't um endorse cleanouts um but but they have a place in certain situations where in order to address uh a situation from a harm reduction approach you you know we might be able to need to access them to get that initial kind of cleaning so that the the the sources of disease and filth are put aside and then we can go and address that that hoarding piece and just to say so a a clean are generally 100% recidivism rate it generally will send an individual into a deep depression um there's been stories of individuals committing suicide after a cleanout and you know it's hard enough to gain the trust of the individual to begin with but if you go in there and just throw away whatever you feel they don't need anymore or you feel is quote unquote junk they're they're not going to open the door next time somebody comes knocking on it to help them so it's one of those things where again you know we have uh all types of individuals that um we can uh reach out to to try to help the individuals but the unfortunate thing is that there's a lot of gaps um in that process uh we're trying to figure out how to fill those gaps within the hoarding Resource Network um unfortunately due to covid uh we stopped our meetings uh because we couldn't meet in person and um you know we were we at the county were responding to co itself with the testing sites and vaccines Etc so we've we've been slowly getting back towards it um and what we've been trying to focus on is any any way we can actually get help out there uh so what we've started doing is we have uh some staff that have been providing uh what we call buried and treasures self-help groups uh buried Treasures is a book um by uh three experts in hoarding it is a self-help workbook and it goes chapter by chapter what is hoarding do I have hoarding there's different uh quizzes and um exercises in there to get at kind of the the the depth of the hoarding and then it starts a stepbystep um process of skill building and um you know challenging unhelpful beliefs that that individual might have um so that's one of the things that we've gotten out there we have a pilot program um that ideally we would love to build out um where we've been able to provide coaching Services through the Medical Reserve Corps volunteers uh We've trained them to do uh an 8 week um not you know do three weeks in a row and then spread it out from there but it's a problemsolving coaching session so you know I know when I go to clean my basement I go down there and I see all the stuff and I look at it and I'm like I don't know where to start and I turn around and walk upstairs and say I'll get back to it later well if you think about somebody who's struggling with hoarding you know they already have a hard time with with trying to address these issues so even just trying to figure out where to start is is hard for them so what the these coaching we call it safe space clutter coaching and the coaches will go in and you know look at the whole picture and talk to that individual find out you know are there some harm reduction items that we can address here is there a means of egress that maybe that should be the first thing we work on or maybe there's some paper next to the stove and you know okay let's look at this whole thing and then talk to the individual talk to the individual and find out what they want to accomplish you know geez I haven't had my grandmother my granddaughter over here cuz you know my daughter won't let her come over I'd really like to clean out an area where you know she can come over okay let's work on that and and that works as both motivation and it gives them a place to start and again you know this is um it's one of the really hard things about hoarding disorder is the fact that you do have to find a place for those items to go you first have to make the decision of what to part with and then where that's going to go so you know there's a lot of expense that goes along with it a lot of time uh associated with it um a lot of time consuming um you know again with the coaching and then a lot of cost that goes with that so I'll stop right there I think I kind of gave a really wide overview um but I'm happy to answer any questions the uh the senior center in Yarmouth has a a program for that what is that one yes uh Linda Colby um actually she started originally with one of the original buried and treasures groups God I'm going to say eight 10 years ago uh what she found was uh that her clients you know wanted something a little bit more ongoing not just the 16 weeks so she uh from my understanding has kind of modified it a little bit so that it's not just that 16we program but that it it continues on and on um you know which is an excellent idea because again you know after that 16 weeks you know that you would hope that the individuals attending these groups have found some support and are able to continue it on but it's even better if there is that built-in support so it's an ongoing continuous kind of support group yes yeah it's it's not clear to me yet I mean how um the diagnos this would be made and who would make it not everyone has the disorder it could be a sign of something else someone who has an obsessive compulsive disorder just maybe the hoarding is a sign of it um you see people with dementia who have the problem you see people who have traumatic brain injuries who are hoarding you see people with brain tumors so there are a lot of things that could end up producing a sign of hoarding so we're in the process make sure you're treating the right diagnosis that's an important question and I I'm glad you brought that up because you're right there are there are situations where you have the hoarding symptoms but they're better explained by as you mentioned a brain injury Etc what we do as the hoarding Resource Network is we don't we don't diagnose um we address the symptoms um and again each case is different it depends on um so many factors you know ideally uh what we try to do is encourage that individual to go talk to their primary care physician you know talk to a me mental health consultant to address any other Associated issues um we again our part in this right now is education collaboration and support so we provide trainings uh we colle collaborate on cases so that you know again if U you know Jay has an issue he's not quite sure he can pick up the phone and we'll kind of brainstorm and and try to figure out the best ways to address it and we don't necessarily go on a diagnosis of hoarding disorder we look at the symptoms and kind of what's going on and and use our tools as best we can to figure out if we can offer assistance and and put together some sort of a a um cohesive response how do you handle the neighbors who may be reporting the issue and the quality of their life is affected by their neighbors Behavior that's hard um and again that also depends on whether it's um you know single family home with uh hoarding spilling out into the yard or if there's a common wall um it's it really comes down to again as as a Resource Network um we're there to help um and whether it's the health department that calls us the VNA that calls us um and our role is to help the individual um and then you know we'll certainly talk to the neighbor try to explain to them you know that this is not you know just somebody who's being lazy um but of course we also want to respect that person's privacy so you know again we generally just deal with the individual or the the service providers or Regulators that are dealing with the individual have you got any help from Legal Services I mean these are people who it may be unsafe but it's their home they're renting they own it um has any from Legal Services helped you out at your meetings uh actually it's kind it's generally the other way around um it's usually us helping out Legal Services okay um you know there's been cases where uh individuals are about to be evicted and um you you know we we can help to say okay let's see if we can um piece together some services for the individual uh we had a situation where an individual had um Elder services in uh in the home and they had Legal Services was involved because they were about to be evicted and we were able to coordinate um a a a plan so that the um Housing Authority said okay you know if you set up a plan and they reach certain targets then we will not continue with the eviction process and so far it's it's going well that's great um you know I think Legal Services absolutely can be helpful in in some instances and and again this is why I really would you know right now we're still struggling to kind of piece it together but I really want to get the meetings back to back up and running again because I think it's a really good uh way to collaborate find out what's going on across the region find out where our resources are that we may have you know kind of dropped off through covid and and just kind of again start that conversation again and see if we can um figure out some some ways to to truly help these individuals actually get some services and maybe some ongoing coaching or or things like that or even just funding for um you know tipping fees um you know we had a case where the individual couldn't afford a a transfer station sticker so we called up the town hall and said look is there anything you can help us with on this and they said well can she pay $10 every other week and she said yes okay here we go so great have there not been any best practices published by now since this disorder has been around there are yes um again what it comes down to is that the the uh health insurance doesn't reach far enough into it to provide those um again it's it's the um generally cognitive behavioral therapy has shown as you know being the the uh most successful in these cases and ideally um having somebody with regular coaching Services works very well there was a u a uh program with Metropolitan Boston Housing Partnership where you know one of their inspectors realized that he was kind of doing the same thing he would do the inspection and note it on the form you know you need to clean it up and realize that um nobody was cleaning it up so he took it upon himself to start working with these individuals setting goals you know if they uh you know help them get connected with a primary care physician mental health assist whatever they needed if there was a physical um limitation you know maybe somebody comes pick up the trash for them on a regular basis but he would work with them on a regular basis coaching them and you know was able to pay for it through the the Metropolitan Boston Housing Partnership we we have a significant um missing piece in the middle there that we're just not quite sure how to fund and how to continue moving forward with it how big a problem is is it on the cake I you know again um you know they say 3 to 6% the 6% skews towards the older population which of course we have on Cape Cod um you know most people won't self-identify um but what I can say is it's in every town multiple cases in every town um that I am aware of and that's just one person so that's aware of all I I it's a it's a problem uh can you make um suggestions or give examples of how the Board of Health can constructively uh support this issue I think I think um most importantly is being aware that it is a disorder um it is not something that people are just choosing not to comply um being understanding that it's not going to be fixed overnight uh often it takes months maybe even years um you know if at all possible obviously there are cases where condemnation is the only choice you know obviously we're we're concerned about the safety of the individual and as you mentioned neighbors um you know especially common wall neighbors um you know but if there's a way to uh address it with a harm reduction approach initially um and you know try to to guide that individual forward that's the best way to do it um you know and again ideally we will be bringing uh back together the the meetings for the cape C horning Resource Network um and I invite anybody to come join us at the meetings and and try to help us figure out how to uh how to help these individuals well certainly let let us know when the meetings are up and running absolutely we'll have somebody there excellent that sounds great okay just um er thank you ER you give it very good explanation here as you can hear this is a deep and complex psychological issue right and it's as unique as each individual but I have to tell we have in Yarmouth we have seen them over the past several months more and more cases it is surfacing they come from a variety of uh of sources where it could be the fire department it might be a neighbor um it could be an an a strange family member someone long distance but it is a concerns was we ask Erica to come in because she she she does have uh the experience and the background to this I want to bring this to the board that it is an issue in our community like as Erica said so many communities but we need to start somewhere there's no quick fix she mentioned two words about building trust and collaboration if we can even start looking in that Direction because I can tell you we're we feel somewhat at a loss and frustrated in that we really don't have those and we understand it it is not solved by writing an order or issuing a fine in any way this is a slow process to maybe to engage to build trust and move towards a solution so this is just the front end of but to start the conversation so that the board understands it the community listening understands that this is in our community it's not being it it it's being addressed it's being looked at and we want to build some infrastructure that we can respond properly so there's going to be more to come when the Resource Network um gets up and going if we can be part of that that would be terrific um I think some of the Human Service grants that you'll be talking about later has some infrastructure as well this is going to be a diverse and and like I say multipronged approach uh faith-based organizations uh social workers certainly municipalities play a role uh neighbors and otherwise family members but it's something that it's on the cape it's not just unique to the cape but it's prevalent on the cape and we need to start that that Community discussion so the board is now aware and we're going to follow up with with barn bille County's help and and try to move in that direction and I can't imagine it's just Yarmouth there'll be others I'm sure the other uh Community agents and we'll share information and we'll share information and resources and try and try to get the help because individual because some of these are some of them that we saw most recently individuals are putting their life at risk right they're putting their lives at risk fire department is very concerned sometimes we are able to get in the door to Simply say we'd like to check your smoke detectors and the fire department has been very helpful in that regard animals sometimes are get are involved so Animal Control has been helpful everyone is compassionate and wants to do the right thing but as Erica said very well it's difficult to try to get to move in that the pathology is such that it's a very complex issue and and the progress is slow thank you for coming in uh good luck with your basement thank you very much I appreciate that thank you for thank you for having me thanks thank you for coming in we'll stay in touch talk okay maybe killer yes maybe we could have Linda Colby come in and give us her perspective from working with this primarily probably citizens of yth but I'm sure not exclusively right just as another um not that you can beat what she did but just as a more individualized okay and again we don't know I bet Linda would probably I don't know Linda would know the scope of this far better than I right I don't have my arms around this in any way I don't know how big this iceberg is we've seen a couple cases I don't know what's underneath this should just be another perspective on it because she deals with this the support group and yeah be very familiar but so that the board understands and the community does understand this isn't clutter this isn't just a Cape Cod garage where there's some things have stacked up this is now life and safety issue where they're not able to even maybe navigate their home we've gone into these homes Barry and I and we can't tell we're even in the kitchen it is life and safety issues should there be an instance where the fire department or a a wellness check has to be done they couldn't even get in the home um but it starts with building trust and uh that's that's the starting point we're here to help and that's that's that would be my hope that we can start in that regard but there'll be there'll be multiple partners in this but that's a great suggestion I can reach out in that okay um number three here is the Massachusetts paint stewardship bill um Carl you're here tonight present that and we if we move down we have you up for the eversource vegetation control and the railroad RightWay vegetation control so we're going to have you take off with 37 and8 on our agenda okay certainly Carl Austin a hazardous materials inspector with the health department uh the paint stewardship Bill information before you uh that's a Massachusetts House and Senate bill and um it started my knowledge of it uh came about when I attended a paint Forum put on by the cape quad uh Cooperative Extension and they run the hazard materials uh collections across the cap they run about two dozen a year throughout the county and uh they sponsored The Forum the bill is um is supported by mass recycle which is a nonprofit Massachusetts organization their board is made up of both uh Private Industry and public employees and within that they have a product Steward stewardship committee and the committee supports this bill and it's intended to uh increase the recycling of paint uh keeping it away from uh more of the uh public uh waste collections uh to save taxpayer money and also to keep it out of the landfills the ideally the oilbased paint which is flammable ideally that goes to a dedicated hazus waste collection the latex paint is nonhazardous which doesn't mean it's non-toxic it just means it's not blable not reactive so that can be dried out and put in Municipal trash but it would also be a beneficial to municipalities to remove even the latex paint from the waist Stream So the stewardship Bill applies to both oil and latex based paints and uh if it becomes law it'll uh collect po of sale fees of a125 a gallon they'll be managed by a nonprofit uh those funds will be be used to establish more free paint collection sites um so that the paint recycling can be more accessible in terms of location and times because right now there's limited times uh you know maybe two dozen times a year when barille County residents can dispose of oilbased paint and it's always on a Saturday morning um so this will expand the uh availability and um there's 11 states that have passed the law um some of them are uh neighboring states to Massachusetts and those are um New York Rhode Island Connecticut Vermont and Maine uh 70% of the collection sites are voluntary retail locations so the collection sites May piggy back onto existing Municipal Haus waste collections uh maybe even at Municipal uh transfer stations but a lot of them will also uh likely be in uh retail stores and in the private sector uh I took a look at uh the state of Maine because I wanted to learn a little bit about what's going on in the nearby State and what I found in the state of Maine they put out a annual report every year so I took a look at the 2023 annual report and I found that Maine identified 239 potential paint drop off sites and of those 82 were participating so there were 239 potential that they identified 82 or 34% so just about a third of participating but um so that gives you an idea as to what a neighboring state is doing um Cape Cod Cooperative Extension also which I mentioned operates the uh public uh waste collections about half of the products collected right now uh they said are paint so that's a a lot of their load and of course the taxpayers are are bearing that brunt so um what Mass recycle is seeking through their product stewardship committee is this seeking of Boards of health and municipalities to support this bill um in one out of three ways it could be um signing an endorsement form could be submitting a letter of support or the third one is passing a resolution and I put uh sample documents of each in your uh Board of Health packets and um I'll show received an email a directive email from uh Wanita tryber who is a uh product stewardship Committee Member and she's also with the cyia Newton public works department and she mentioned that the resolution the third option that's the longest road um to complete the endorsement form and the letter of support are the easier uh ways to support this bill so it's before this board for consideration to determine you know whether or not that's something he was a board want to support formally support I noticed on the list of people organizations towns that have supported it doesn't show any Boards of Health I noticed that too I didn't have a i attended the form which was about an hour and then I received this uh handout I noticed that later yes uh you know I can see how it would relate to us but I'm wondering if we are the best ones to endorse it and it shouldn't come perhaps from the town because that also would extend to you know any land um transfer station considerations and the business Community Etc I see I don't know what that's just my thought I don't mind endorsing it I think it's a good idea but I'm just wondering if it would be as good as having it come from say the board of Selectmen or the Town Administrator D um perhaps we explore that yeah DPW or we could do it as well as right another part of of the government here right um but yeah it's a good thought Mary but yes I I'd be fine endorsing it as a board of health member yeah I certainly would too a question about which action to take what makes the most sense you I think the woman that spoke to you about the resolution is right on it took forever to get that resolution out supporting the waste water management treatment program because it goes through so many layers so many editors so I think and in that endorsement form is kind of funky so I'd just do a letter of support and recommend to the select board or the Town Administrator that they also support it that would be my suggestion does anyone see what that document is right now this is I I put down action two before so this is a a letter what you're looking at near the endorsement that's that keep going the second the last page that maybe [Applause] go no it's not that that's the M here you take a take a look what we're talking about Charlie you have it no I do now okay great wait a minute you have it yeah there we go if there's one thing I may add uh Kia B who is a hazardous materials specialist with uh the Cape Cod Cooperative Extension she she's available by Zoom uh to answer uh additional questions the board may have she's otherwise monitoring the meeting oh great hi there you're welcome to say anything you'd like if you'd like to contribute to the discussion here in any way okay hello can you hear me all right absolutely okay great yeah nice to be invited uh thank you Carl for summing up um the paint stewardship bill and I just wanted to note that the barnville County Commissioners have uh endorsed this bill and they've uh endorsed it in the past which allows uh cape card Cooperative Extension for whom I work uh to uh educate uh boards like yourself on this um resolution but I am only offering information uh not any in any way endorsing policy policy change I wanted to point out that the Cape Cod and Islands uh Health agents Coalition has endorsed this bill and um as well as the mass Municipal Association so while Boards of Health may not have be specifically listed in the background they are supporting uh select boards to endorse this bill uh sometimes on Cape Cod Health departments are the fiscal agents or the primary stakeholders for the household hazardous wayte collection uh invoices which um have been escalating in costs over the last couple of years and so they are a health departments can be a primary stakeholder in this conversation in Yarmouth the DPW pays uh for the household hazardous ways collection invoices so that's something to keep in mind and to kind of hop around a little bit Carl gave you a very comprehensive succinct um you know overview of this bill but I did want to note that one of the benefit icial aspects to it is that um small businesses and large businesses can participate uh in paint drop off year round uh and that's um to some degree part of the household hazardous waste collection events we do offer small business waste disposal that's sort of how I partner with Carl uh in a more boots on the ground way and so um you know if you are a general contractor you're a cleanout company you um have a paint store and you want to get rid of your waist paint generally you can only do that April through October and you do have to pay this uh bill would um alleviate uh the inconvenience of April through October you could dispose of your paint year round and you would also not have to pay whether you're a resident or a DPW or any Municipal Department that may have paint but also businesses and I think that's really important to point out um and then just to underscore the um the cost of household hazardous waste collection events which is really at the heart of the matter um when I look at sustainability of the program uh household hazardous waste collection events are escalating in cost for a number of different factors and um while Yarmouth doesn't pay a lot for paint as comp as compared to other towns you do pay um 10,000 plus dollars a year to collect only oil based paints at two events some towns have more than two hazardous waste collection events Yarmouth has to and you pay about $10,000 a year to dispose of paint only um oilbased paint only and so um to quantify it uh you know this would allow residents of Yarmouth to drop off paint year round they could drop off any kind of paint uh excluding aerosols um and for no cost and so there's a real great aspect it's convenience and cost and I I I'm around for questions but I just wanted to make sure that that was uh that those factors were known is this somehow modeled after the the return of oil I mean that's has come up before when there've been issues for the transfer station accepting oil here where Eric you've brought this up where you can bring oil to a store am I correct yes it's I'm I'm sorry you were talking Eric oh that that's all right Carl I I I believe any um retailer for engine oil I believe is required to accept the uh waste oil uh product as well so um Eric is correct there's uh it's it's and it's a good theory um I I think if you try to bring your motor oil uh back to CVS they would struggle to collect it um the nice thing about paint care if you were to compare these programs is the architectural codings Association which are the group organizations companies that make paint they manage the nonprofit through a company called Paint care so all of the paint companies are really on board uh the folks that make paint are really on board with um collecting that paint back and reusing it REM making it back into what it was originally manufactured to be used for and they are um the paint care the nonprofit or arm of the American uh codings Association the people that make paint are the folks that are tasked with taking it back and creating the infrastructure for create for taking back the paint so they have they're incentivized to create a very strong vibrant Network for taking back that paint because they recycle it and then they resell it Carl were you were you about to say something or or not before no thank you Eric covered it thank you okay so what action can we take tonight that's an open question how about we'll start with you for an answer okay what are our options to actually do if we're doing something tonight would you like to take one of the the three measures outlined to support the paint stewardship Bill and as um well neita to tryber pointed out um the the first and second are um probably going to be the uh easiest shortest paths um Mary you mentioned the endorsement form has some complications to it I I agree it has some questions that aren't the endorsement form of the letter of support the resolution um I understand would be a longer process I I would go with the letter of support and there is a there is a sample letter of support in our packet I agree with Mary Larry Charlie what do you think I agree and I also think we should recommend to um I know either directly to DPW or to the select board that they endorse it that sounds okay if I could just ask a question to C could are you back with us could you maybe just speak to uh Mary's observation that a local uh Board of Health isn't on the list of supporters on this yes so the there's been I think there's three bills in the House and Senate currently um sponsored by different um select uh different Representatives or Senators uh there's a sense of urgency with this particular one because it's in the house Ways and Means and so I think there's been some people like wiita tryber that have been uh trying to get uh select boards to sign on to it for quite a long time and the cape has been not as um as uh ahead of this as we could have been so I think it may be that that some of the other communities around Massachusetts have um had the time uh to get it to their before their select board where now we're kind of limited uh or not we but the the state is kind of limited uh so we're trying to get who we're not trying to we're trying to let everyone know um that you know this is an opportunity for them and if they want to they can sign it and I believe the end of June is the cut cut off point so I don't know if it has to do with the timing of the select board agenda being posted how often select boards meet um could be any number of those factors uh I I don't know CL is would it be more impactful coming from certainly the the board it just wants to seems to they want to pick maybe the best Avenue but is it more impactful coming from the board of selectman which represents the whole community and in maybe has some strength in that regard is does that would that be more a stronger endorsement or coupled with the Board of Health can you just guide us on that uh I I I I don't know the answer to that honestly I uh I I being a longtime member of a Board of Health uh uh in Mash p and Provincetown I feel like Boards of Health have a lot of um uh a lot of weight their opinion uh in their in their declarations but I I don't um and I don't discount that I do think select boards obviously you know it's a little bit more representative uh I don't know I I couldn't answer that I don't know when your next select board meeting is and if the agenda's been filed I think Carl would be more um well aware of that I haven't been appraised of that okay thank you well our letter would go anyway with them right anyway and then we would also let the board the select board know that we sent a letter in um okay recommending it and that we would request that they do the same how about that whether or not they get it in in time it wouldn't hurt to have them on record supporting it if there are three bills and and maybe the director DPW I mean that sounds fine logistically of doing that I don't know their schedule certainly can we can work we can do is give it to them right we do is work with it do matter I can get this to the Town Administrator and also to Jeff Colby at DPW because they they're the the ones directly in their's department is directly impact well certainly the environment is our concern as well and the boards obviously um your purview but Jeff and the recycling center be becomes they're directly in line with this then it would that operation would be directly affected up at the uh recycling center so I could get this to Jeff and to this the Town Administrator and ultimately to the selectman but in any case it will come from us right away if the vote is there yeah yep yep okay okay that sounds good and what about signing it in other words so it oh you can sign it for us or I'll come in and sign it to I mean whatever needs to be done the the letter can we can say by by unanimous vote and a um if I don't want to presuppose a vote here but uh by a vote and then signed by the chair okay that would is fine I think that it expedites it expedites the process right hill we could get your signature that we can bring it to you or you can stop in however okay so probably need a motion then to um in support of the letter of support um whether we want to move forward with it or not so I move that we um send a letter of support uh for the the Massachusetts paint stewardship Bill and that we also recommend or or communicate with the DPW that the department staff communicate with DPW and the town manager Town Administrator and request that they also support the bill referring to both bills right right great yes okay well stated thank you any other discussion on it a second for this okay thank you all in favor just raise your hand say I I okay okay got it all right yep I'm good with that that's for sure okay thank you certainly um thank you you C thank you thank you you're welcome to stay on with any of these but okay uh Carl don't go too far away we're up to eversource vegetation control number seven on your agenda and that some information was obviously in your packet okay so certainly many of you may have uh some familiarity with this topic um it's been discussed in the past asked at Board of Health meetings um so evur has uh again uh for 2024 submitted to the Mass Department of Agriculture their 2024 yearly operational plan for vegetation control they've submitted that for approval is required by state regulation and um Mass Department of Agriculture who reviews the plan they're also this sole regulating authority of pesticide use in the State uh per Massachusetts General law so the 2024 yearly operational plan from evur it describes how vegetation will be managed on electric RightWay 302 in Yarmouth and um electric RightWay 302 that spans Yarmouth from the Barnstable line all the way west to the Dennis line heading approximately east and west and uh it's on the south side of Route 6 and I know other times we've discussed the RightWay that's on the north side of Route 6 but just to give you an approximation of where in town this lies and as in the past uh this plan it's an integrated Pest Management plan which means they don't use just one method of control they uh integrate mowing mechanical cutting and herbicide applications as needed and the species are also targeted so unlike many years ago when they sought to eliminate all vegetation the right away they now seek to preserve the low growing species because the low growing species will crowd out to some extent the taller growing species so over time the more of a low growing plant Community they can establish on the right of way the better it necessitates it requires less maintenance as time goes on less herbicide less cutting and so forth so um there also there's a lot of uh elements that have to be included in this plan and those are all dictated in the state regulation uh the state regulation is 333 cmr1 rights of way management and uh one part of that is there are designated sensitive areas and there are two types of sensitive areas there's limited spray and there's no spray areas and uh these areas are delineated delineated by the distance to Wetland surface waters and uh public and private water supply Wells so um within those areas so in the limited spray area that's Limited in terms of how much pesticide they can apply and how often so for example but if they have to go back more often every year they can't apply the pesticide every year in a limited spray area in a no spray area which is even closer to these Wells and uh surface waters they can't apply any pesticide at any time so those have to be mechanically cut or mowed uh and and the goals of the yop the yearly operational plan the reason they do this is to keep the vegetation a safe distance from power line so it doesn't grow into it uh maintain safe access for service Crews uh removing the tall growing poisonous and invasive plant species and promoting those low growing communities that I talked about and the Illy operational plan doesn't apply to Yarmouth every year this year there is a 2024 plan but they don't need to do this every year it's on an as needed basis so that's why you might not hear about it uh some years so um it hasn't changed since the last Board of Health review in uh 2023 so um I have submitted a comment letter because uh we kind of a short review PA of the deadlines coming up on the 21st so I've already submitted that comment letter based on the board of health concerns previous years um the one thing I did additionally was I asked for some clarification on their Maps because the maps had a few colors and I gave you each a copy the colors don't reproduce that accurately but there are a few colors which aren't included in the key and I can see that they've delineated the proper areas I I'd just like some interpretations on what those different colors represent if if anything or if it could all be one uniform color so I'll um see what kind of response we get on that see what some uh revised Maps may look like but um so that that's the background on um that plan thought from anyone Yeah Carl is there any consideration to Wildlife with these sprays these you know I I have I've read it in the I can't tell you exactly what it is um I know I've seen in past plans and they also do the IL operational plan is a specific time in this case 2024 in a very specific location the vegetation management plan they do every five years and that's a fiveyear broader stroke plan where it outes what all the different practices are I know from I'm not sure if it's in the plan but in speaking with uh individual ual at Mass D Mass Department of Agriculture I'm told that the herbicides they become inert pretty quickly so they they don't say poison this a long time and uh they also use drift card they don't use drift cards every year but the drift card is a tool by which they can tell how much the herbicide will drift under normal application conditions and there's restrictions on wind speed as to when they can be applied so um that's what I know about that the one other thing I can say about Wildlife is understand that some uh organizations like the low growing they call it early successional landscape because it's beneficial for certain Wildlife that doesn't um necessarily do as well in a forest or in an open field yeah early suc I might be able to get you more information on that from well they call it early successional and that's typically where you'll get more Wildlife because there's more food available but the other consideration would be Birds nesting MH you that sort of thing especially like for example turkeys nesting uh the time of year would have a lot to do with when they yeah I'm sorry that I can't answer yeah I I could see if I could find more information but I can't answer that this would be more consideration to Wildlife if it was done this is a a very um productive you know a fertile time for wildlife so certainly uh this time of year wouldn't be the best time to to apply those herbicides you know um like late fall through winter early spring would be I think safer for wildlife just my opinion Mak sense oh that's fact life thank you for that yeah I don't I don't recall timing in the past whenn spring I do know for this year uh the present uh operating period would be from the approval of this plan until October 18 so unfortunate would not be late late fall and winter is not planned this year but yeah so that obviously they're not really considering that aspect of wildlife safety I see you know it it just because of the fact that their timing is is you know appropriate from that point of view I see okay perhaps the next time the letter goes out we we can make that comment that Larry has made sure we we could add that to comments um I could probably submit another comment letter now I I could check into that because we still have time in this period we still have about a week that's my opinion but it might be other you know the board might think otherwise I just not sure so just an additional thought to your point Larry I mean when when you're trying to control uh perennial vegetation the most effective time to kill it with an herbicide would be in the late summer or fall when plants are Tre translocating um the materials they produce in the leaf when they're translocating those sugars and things down into the root system so just from a vegetation management standpoint um this isn't the best time to apply it as well um and you know to to um elaborate a little bit more on your question I I know that glyphosate or Roundup in particular is um very harmful for Aquatic Life so any Vernal pool might be affected by it there's a lot of activity in these vernal pools that we should we shouldn't Overlook there are setbacks to those surface waters and I could read the regulation I can't remember the measurement specifically just a thought pools yeah yeah I noticed you know I used to I'm I'm a I feed a lot of birds in wildlife and I noticed you know for a long time we had a lot of hummingbirds now we don't see any so I mean something happened obviously to those May they're insect eaters and I'm just my curiosity as to why we're not seeing the hummingbirds we used to see we're not seeing the flying insects that we used to because of climate change right is that what it is that in terms of the tree swallows the you on all we're not seeing as many two this year and I had any for a couple of years in the past these insecticides have to be toxic to these birds as well because they eat large quantities of these insects right so perhaps you can add in the comment that Eric's making or or direction or suggestion that he's made absolutely that's great very aidite Eric I I could put uh both of those comments uh in one comment one additional comment letter thank you that' be great people okay with that I don't think we need a formal vote if everyone sort of agree yeah I appreciate the effort call thank you okay the the uh Wildlife concerns and the timing on the um most effective time to apply to vegetation those two things okay certainly Carl anything else that's everything than thank you everything yeah thank you Carl certainly you're welcome appreciate it it's helpful as usual okay so back up to number four okay this is the tobacco regulations specifically restriction on the sale of flavored tobacco uh was a letter there in our packet I'm sure everyone read it but maybe you can bring is up to date on it sure I just want to include this it really I know Yarmouth quite frankly I believe has a history as far as flavored tobacco and some challenges that we done this goes back I'm not sure how long ago that was but I know you were Pioneers in this and and actually took a um a strong position on flavored tobacco this came through the State Department of Public Health and I just wanted the the board to be aware it's it's better defining which is it's difficult because uh Distributors are are defining it one way and and they're trying to sell the product and move the product onto the shelf and retailers are caught in the middle state dph has a different regulation so this this defines exactly you know as far as what what constitutes a flavored tobacco um it has to be first of all tobacco product and produce characterizing flavors and and and through that it gives some kind of some parameters of distinguishable taste and Aroma packaging public statements right scientific articles but then it lists on the on the back the second page the uh products that now are considered and determined to be by the State Department of Public Health using these parameters Newport non-menthol green Newport exp non-menthol caramel Crush non-menthol Oasis caramel crisp non-menthol green box and Maverick non-menthol it just what we're going to be doing Bob Colette has gotten this Phil will have this as well when he's going out it just gives it a a clear definition of thank you Mary clarification as to what constitutes a flavored tobacco it's very ambiguous it it is very difficult say well it isn't it doesn't say flavored on it and it's a little kind of cat Mouse between Distributors and the retailers and quite frankly the individuals that you permit are caught in the middle yes and uh so it's difficult so they all have this is more education at least it's very it provides clarity and they all receiv received this y good all our retailers yes right Toco licenses I think we're now at 28 right we lost one that's correct right yeah just wanted you to be aware yeah I appreciate that okay number five there is the 2024 CYO bacteria monitoring it here so the presentation that you heard at at the last uh meeting that went up to the Town Administrator he assigned that so apcc will now be monitoring great at and we'll be seeing that it'll it'll be showing up on uh on their website uh whether it's warnings or red flags just want you to know that that the presentation that you heard your endorsement was then brought up to the to the Town Administrator and he has moved that forward and signed the contract okay uh number six everyone this is for the 2025 border of Health Human Service funding allocations in your packet you'll see the uh spreadsheet there that I created um which I volunteered to do whether it was the right thing to do or not but this is what I came up with and essentially it's something to look and consider as an option I had to come up with something for us to look at and consider Tonight We Come Away with a totally different way of doing this of dividing up the $60,000 that we have to work with and supported these organizations so I added up the amount that people selected for each organization and and worked some math and took 20% of it of those amounts as you see in this in the second column the 20% Board of Health proposed allocation and I got a figure uh that was pretty close you a little over 57,000 um just couple things to mention that last column Board of Health members allocating if that's helpful tonight when the board decides what they want to do you can see the number of board members who uh selected to give money to that organization um you can see there were four organizations that everyone uh selected uh there was if you look over at the yth food pantry uh there was it came up to $4,500 uh over what was requested I think there was one individual who um felt more money would be appropriate than what was requested um and that's I just want to make sure which I mentioned in the last meeting is make sure it's not skewed that someone didn't say well I want to give $60,000 to this one organization that would not help what we're trying to figure out here I felt and so that did not happen it's just one example here which I point out for the year with food pantry now uh Larry you weren't at the last meeting and I had asked you ahead of time for your suggestions um so you didn't know the playing rules quite yet um and what you had given me was something like 48,000 out of the 60,000 and you had stated that you would go with whatever the other board members wanted to do just well some of these associations I'm Rel ly unfamiliar with so I I based my opinions on what I understood about those organizations so right no absolutely I'm one reason I'm mentioning it is that there's some money that's remaining to be allocated and that maybe that's something you could decide how you feel about it there's $2,500 left over here um if it was something that you uh wanted to make a suggestion specifically for so so first thing is is this a good way of going about it or not um I move that we accept the um proposed um allocation that hillet has come up with looking at all of the monies that we individually um said we we would want to give to the 12 organizations is that a motion yes we would need to decide about the other money that would be a second thing that' be second motion okay great fine um just to get discussion going is there a second to that motion a second okay so now it's open for some some discussion of whether it's a good way to go about it or not so um I I may have missed this uh Mr chairman the 20% uh Board of Health proposed allocation how I assume that's because there's five members is that where that 20% came from no it was my trying to come up with a number that would end up being close to 60,000 that's all so I divided each by five okay that's all each what was the proposed allocation divide it by five I think that's how it came up with the numbers um look at Independence house it's 32,000 you divide it by five at 6,000 you know change that's sort of how that it's simple math is what I did or look at the age support group the total group uh was 15,000 or you know in change and 20% is $3,100 whatever so it's fairly simple that's how I came about with it what excuse me what's the problem there may not be or there may be just a question of whether the board wants to do it this way this is just how I came up with uh something gets us off the ground it doesn't mean we have to do anything like this at all we're just discussing discussing my motion to accept this or not I mean we haven't voted on it yet makes good sense to me anyway makes seems fairly Equitable yeah I mean after trying figured out last meeting and it's kind of mindboggling I think they each made a nice um presentation I think at least we acknowledge that each and every group would receive Equitable amount of money according to what we have right something I mean and Equitable as defined by the members because he took what each of us would have allocated and summed it and then took 20% of it and that's how he came up with his numbers right yep yep so yeah I think it was I think it's fine yeah take a vote Yes okay all in favor of the motion raise your hand say I hi hi okay so that passes and now there's the point of what to do with the remaining money to be allocated which if you look at the First Column there under our allocations there's 2561 remaining dollars for us to decide you know how to distribute that money what happens to that amount uh if it is not allocated to one of these organizations my feeling is you spend it yeah back I I agree I'm just curious General funds just just someone's house repair here on the board anyone need something for their house that's you go to the Cape Cod hoarding task force doesn't no doesn't work that way I'm sorry I spoke at a how about yeah go give it to the Cape Cod horning Resource Network they didn't ask for it but they need it right interesting that was Bar's thought lry that came from you yeah they need something somewhere I give them a start you know is there any issue if someone has in sented an application um no I mean the the board has discretion in that the only P what the task force of resource network is to making sure that this is allocated just to Yarmouth mhm right across multiple communities so it could be earmarked for Yarmouth you know instance things that nature that would be a caveat to the funding well except that what they're trying to do is develop a program so I mean the program would have to be you would be one that would apply to all of their constituents so I I wouldn't want to limit it you see what I'm saying they don't have a program yet this to me is kind of like money to help them it's a pilot program to Kickstart this is yeah first phase dollars sure it would be applicable to Yarmouth because we have individuals who have this problem this disorder I guess is the only way to look at it right okay at this point with the how the organization is all these organizations service people other than just Yarmouth I mean even the food pantry it's includes but I understand what you're saying because we have in the past said we want to know how many Yarmouth residents have been right benefited by this prog progr what a may I make a suggestion maybe sure uh what about them the senior center for their program the the Barry Treasures program that they've been doing well I'd rather not do that until I heard from Linda Colby because I mean it's a yeah i' I'd rather not do that okay I just yeah um because I don't know what the cost is I mean it's it's a social worker who leads it and certainly she has a salary um but I'd rather look at the bigger picture I think okay um and we certainly can direct them a little bit you easiest if it comes from your department you know from the say in the future we will want to know how many Yarmouth residents are served if if indeed we continue to be able to give you some money and that's not a given right you know Erica we work pretty closely with barn just I I could have her not necessarily a formal application but what would this what would these startup dollars these infusion of of dollars to get this up and going and how would it translate and what could you get done with that what what would you put that those dollars towards so I could get I could request that I should say from the uh from the Resource Network what that would look like well You' mentioned there are some cases that will come in front of this board from individuals living in the town who are suffering from from hoarding um and that is there we've already had them we've had them we've had several already that's what you said there are some cases yeah right now are there funds is there money that could be spent to help those individuals whether it's paying for clearing out property or whatever that would be along your lines of something specific for this town um are things not getting done in our town for these individuals because of money yeah we we we struggle with that we don't we don't have the funding for that remember you came to the board for because you had rented some dumpsters right for one particular there were there were times we have had to go to find dollars inside our and we have a pretty AER budget just so you know there's not a lot of extra extra dollars within within the health budget for that um so you this this could stay I'd have to write something up for the board to review if you want to pause I could maybe uh I I could write something up on how we would handle again $2,500 but it might be something sometimes it's just could be transation for them to the the dumpster sticker something of that nature it give you some infusion of dollars and there would not be I mean You' be sitting with you that money wouldn't have to be spent in that year no yeah would stay it's for the same reason but it could be January 2026 that it it's used for we we would sign up we would create a line item and then draw it down and we're already a vendor I mean we'd be we'd be part of the system so we'd be able to to allocate those dollars it's creative thinking yeah no that that would might work it's different than what you were saying Mary I don't know I mean what do you think because I well it's different but it's it's okay I mean just a start right it it may be helpful when the select board looks at what we do do here's something very specific for our town perhaps it's very concrete examples of what the health department needs the money for right pretty simple to look at as long as it can be done I mean logistically you can do it right you can take that money back from it has never been done right but we're putting it towards these are Human Service and it's just the vendor is now going to be the health department right delivering the services right right that they for which they have no money right now no we we raise awareness we work with faith-based organizations Elder Services really been um our go-to on this VNA has helped uh fire department has helped but really I'm going to tell you it hasn't delivered a lot of results these These are difficult but this would give us a start it would help in some way okay we're not going to I we're not going to bring on an individual with this dollars would be this but it might eliminate some some Financial barriers right right okay so be it yeah so be it okay so be it so you do a great job making these proposals so yeah this is that proposal I think it's a great idea this is the MVP of our series here so and continues to be so Charlie would you make the motion that we use this money the 2561 for according motion to take the 2,500 $61 $61 and do what give it to the health department to support hoarding expenses yes okay okay I second second motion thank you hopefully there's no more discussion that's great all in favor raise your hand say I and motion pass unanimously great good up everybody thank you I'd like to write something up so the board understands that you have for the next meeting um that you'll have an understanding of what exactly how we'll be using that and how that will that will sit and how that will be done okay well we'll see if you have new radial tires on your car okay so let's move ahead then um final draft the poultry regulations signatures are required it's a big moment everyone yeah here we go so um last meeting we did the you guys agreed on the changes I have it right here I will pass it down you can read it if you want the back pages the signatures um when you're done with that please hand it back so we can file it upstairs and make it official bar did you eliminate the um guinea hens guine guine we we inserted the guinea the guinea hens your recommendation and there was there were several edits that the chair found redundant on a few things there was some wording I think there might have been a a punctuation but there was a spelling and a or a sentence that was redundant the edits that were suggested removed but yes not substantive not substantive not substantive by they can ask for a variance for Roosters and Guy hens so here we go and we got time for the game Eric we um when would be a good time for me to get you this so for you to sign you are not here but you are presid to sign it how would you like me to coordinate with you on this do you have my cell I can get it off record yeah yeah I mean we could just coordinate a time maybe later this week um Thursday or Friday I could probably Thursday be better for me or I can get one of my one of the agents to meet you somewhere in the middle I I I can come to you that's all right thank you I appreciate it yeah I just want to make sure we get your signature on it since you're here okay that sounds like it's done um there couple inserts here in the packet one was the opioid related overdose death some statistics there that you placed in here thought thought the board should should see I mean numbers have moved down 10% and right in 23 moving in the right directions certainly the opioid dollars with the yac group uh Daniel Rodriguez uh and Annie from the police department have come forward there's a group that meets once a month that we come together um there are dollars that are being put towards nonprofits uh in the community but you can see that the numbers have already have have made a difference and again these are Statewide numbers so what about Yarmouth can we hear from the police department about yarm's death can find out sure than they report on a they report on a monthly basis I can get those but I just I includeed the pack because I think the board should know right good news yeah it' be nice if we we saw something over the last number of years I'm sure that's all computerized they could just they have a database get it all out yeah y okay we have heard in the past occasionally from them when something hases come up and also the packet was um statistics from the uh checking the water to the beaches the beaches question about that because it said um Please be aware that posting is only required if one of the following criteria is met there was nothing I didn't that didn't copy just if I could just hear about that when do you post when we get uh so they do the samples Monday mornings and we usually uh find out by Wednesday afternoon if there is any um issues then when as soon as they if there's any issues um with the testing they go out and retest that beach immediately and we usually hear by Thursday morning if there's any issues and we have not had glad to say we have not had any closures in the town of Yarmouth yet what's the criteria for closing I'm not for sure on that um I think Phil might have I mean one of them um there was posting and it was 164 and I can understand I mean that's a pretty high number compared to all of these others but um you know Indian Memorial was 34.5 linan Lane 39.9 it was just the one posting and I guess it was cut off but it says yes parentheses single nothing else but I assume that meant that there was a posting a single posting but yes I'd like to know what causes you to actually post we do I'll get with the with the county and uh see what they they actually must be some levels they look at okay I'd be more than happy to do that for us thank you thanks good pick up just on that um today was the first day uh of the Beach's opening okay they're open permanently and I checked I was over at uh natural resources uh full staff of lifeguard so you hear you hear on the news the communities are struggling well Yarmouth actually does the training themselves so the these lifeguards don't have to pay for that they're trained and we have a full complement of lifeguards so that the community understands that the uh the beaches are now open and fully staffed right and the board the board now news understands that that started today and the water park actually opened uh I believe it was last Thursday it's that's a big attraction in town that's that's the big player in town in the water and the the Water Park is open and the same new the the attractions expand each time was what the inflatable park and now it's it's certainly much more than that it's uh they move the margins on that it's exponentially improved just in the short couple years that I've been here so they're open and the beaches are open and we've got some warm weather coming um so the pools the swimming pools say Phil gotten around to all of them now actually you had a report in the last um all they weren't all there there may be a few left but uh I signed them on a fairly regular basis um I would say by this cuz usually coincides with the schools with the schools being out my guess is they're all open now okay keep the tourists happy well you can you the traffic and you'll see that and that's we're a tourist the community right and it's wonderful it's wonderful for the business Community yeah um as long as everyone stays safe oh boy okay we're up to number 10 here it's new and old business anyone no I'm all said um I mean certainly we need to decide about our next meeting um that that first week that first week will be difficult because it's Fourth of July week I thought possibly if the board would might be willing to go to once a month in July that 17th looks like a our the date of the third we would have this room for the 17th of July am I it the 15th 15th I apologize yeah no right that's the third the third that's what I had picked great okay is that okay with everyone 15th next meeting okay 15th of July lar I won't be there okay I'll be in Dublin what about Amsterdam in Budapest what are you talking about I fly to Dublin then Dublin to Budapest okay well there a couple hours in the airport or what I'll do my best I can call in I will fine good does that work for you no you'd love to go to Dublin right it works okay want to vote on or what we're going to okay um I mean it's 7 o'clock I mean want to work towards getting everyone out of here I know that people have to get ready for this game because otherwise we're going to have to you know if Boston doesn't win one game we're going to be dealing with like a reactive depression here in town yeah it's going to be dangerous here if they don't win a game soon so we to move towards ajour minute be my advice I moved it we take it you're a Nick's fan I second yes it's true you don't have to say that publicly I'll need the tires seriously your next man up there yeah I mean coached basketball for years in New York okay all the churches I was the coach absolutely so yes thank you Larry that's where your roots are I understand yeah it's hard to give that up of course and all my heroes are dying you look to the front page I mean all the players it's sad okay so all in favor of a journey raise your hands say I okay meeting's over thank you everyone I appreciate your efforts Eric I'll leave the uh