good evening and welcome to this meeting of the Old Kings Highway Committee of the town of Yarmouth which is being held in accordance with chapter 470 of the acts of 1973 is amended at 7:15 p.m. on Monday March 3 March 25th 2024 at the Yarmouth Town Hall hearing room located at 1146 Route 28 South Yarmouth there was a typo there it said March 31st I thought wow that's an unusual month moreover pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 considering certain covid-19 measures this meeting is being run in hybrid mode which is to say live participation Zoom participation there might be some telephone participation as well although I've yet to see that eight new applications for certificates of appropriateness and one table certificate of appropriateness will be heard this evening in the order listed on the agenda please be reminded that our committee's main purpose is to review items for appropriateness and setting and it is the responsibility the of responsibility of the applicant to comply with the regulations of other Town boards and departments including building conservation engineering Health zoning and the sign inspector you should know that there is a 10 calendar day appeal period starting once a decision is filed with the town clerk any person aggrieved by our decision tonight can appeal to the Regional Commission of the Old Kings Highway historic district our office administrator Lisa Sherman will be happy to answer any questions you may have regarding this process with regard to process as I call the application uh the applicant Andor the applicant's representative or Representatives if present will come to the table before us speak into the microphone identify who you are and present your application without interruption from members of this committee or those in attendance after which the committee will be free to make comments and ask questions and after that members of the public are free to ask comments and make questions and if you're present for that purpose you will step up to the podium to my front left and speak into the microphone identify who you are uh what your interest in the application is and make your comments and ask your questions so having said all of that the first application tonight is 24- a026 is to install 19 solar panels on the rear roof at 4 3 Arrowhead Drive Richard uh buckel or Buckle is the owner and freedom forever LLC is the agent and who do we have here tonight I think we have freedom for every it's like we have Kathy for Freedom 0 Kate Katie Katie Katie yes okay could you present the application to for us Katie yes so this um is actually we are revisiting this from January um originally they were for panels on the front of the roof for 43 Arrowhead Drive but we moved them to the back roof it's going to be 19 panels none are going to be facing the road um they are black on black um and the system size is 7315 and the total um array area is 390 Square ft and like I said nothing will be facing the road okay that is Katie yes all right so any questions or comments from the Committee hearing none are there any questions or comments from uh members of the public of Butters or anyone interested in this application I'm wondering why this didn't come before us as as an exemption an automatic exemption but nevertheless um it came as a you sure so Katie when you came in January what was the um system size uh back then um if you hold on one second I can look for you only it's it's not really pertinent so I'm just more Curious so yeah um it was the same system size so what we did was uh some tree trimming in the back and very that was answer my question okay yep thank you oh I see there's a there's a vent pipe in the back so yeah the vent pipe and then um there were actually a lot of uh the shading but uh the homeowner agreed to take care of some of the trees from the shading so that's why we're able to move it from the back to the front no my my question about the automatic exemption had to I discovered has a vent pipe which makes it U impossible to have a contiguous uh rectangular array um any other questions or comments do I hear a motion move to approve 24- a026 second all in favor of approving this application signify by saying I I I I I and I congratulations that coming back uhhuh down with Paul this you okay good there you go the next item on the agenda is 27- a027 is to install 12 solar panels on the front roof of 52 early Red Berry Lane har harison agular is the owner in Sunrun installations as the agent and I believe I recognize the representative from Sunrun here tonight good evening Steve Kelly from Sunrun this is a uh project that we brought back and we reduce the number of panels now we have a rectangular array of 12 panels on the front of the home we have an existing system on the rear so we weren't able to add any panels there is that it that's it okay questions or comments from the committee I think I would comment you did it well we did we moved the vent pipe yeah we have the fire setbacks that we need to adhere to now so it that also limits what we're able to do yeah but you managed it very good any other questions or comments from the committee so I did not see any other solar panels in the fronts of rofes in that neighborhood but this is not is this an exempt neighborhood I don't think it is is it no yeah well it's it's with the exception of the roof color it would be an exemptible application um and uh I too am um troubled by the fact that um that I've drove all around that area and the only uh solar panels that I saw were on Skipper Lane as you're approaching uh Union Street there's an array of solar panels on the back roof we we approved that application I remember it I think that's ours yeah that was yeah that's the back roof the back roof and the house is oriented in a way that um that they're not terribly evident they are um visible but they're not terribly evident um the problem I have with these is it's right on the front of a house that's close to the street and it would change in my view it would changed the character of that neighborhood um so yes go ahead excuse me what's funny is I was thinking that the house was kind of set back in comparison to some of the homes in that neighborhood I guess I wasn't seeing that um any other comments or questions from the committee well I just I would be disappointed if we we we basically told him to go back and move the vent pipe and he that's what he did and now he's here so it' be I would be disappointed to think that he's gone to that extreme and now we're not going to improve it was it an extreme that you went to it's never easy but yeah um you know the panels are the blackon black they've got the black skirt along the front so they blend in nicely to the roof you know the roof is not a black roof but light gray yeah I think the roof is light gray so they would definitely stand out in that roof um yeah I guess blending blending in is in the eyes of the beholder it's accurate so I'm I'm curious there's a lot of panels in the rear and the house seems relatively small why do they need additional panels it's all based on their usage you know the panels on the back of 360s the ones we're proposing are 405s so they're approximately 20% more efficient than the ones on the back but we're not going to just switch those out to gain that extra usage um so we're you know held to strict standards by the utilities for what we can put on there and so he's using enough to Warrant that additional usage I don't know if he put in a mini split if he you know more energy efficient Ching Tesla yeah there you know bounds of reasons can you weigh in on in the aggregate exactly how much incre ined Energy Efficiency we're talking about compared to the what you have already I can't I was asked that question at one of the last meetings and I asked if I had access to that information and it's all what they do in corporate it's all computer driven so it's really nothing that I can get a hold of is it is it answerable it's only answerable when you do you need to know the azimeth and the pitch in order to be accurate so when we do solar installation we have calculators that run the calculations for us because there's a lot that goes into it including inverter degradation there's an awful lot of aspects that are included it's not just if a panel is a 360 kilowatt panel times however or whatt times the number of panels that doesn't that gives you a a face value but it doesn't give you the the actual electric production because there's so many other considerations but it is it isn't answerable if you if one took the time to weigh in all the variables sure the designers have to answer that question I think it would be good to have the answer um it would help me formulate my opinion to know exactly how uh much need is there relative to what they already have okay well yeah again I'm not sure that is available uh I know we're basing it off of his utility bill it's not a number that they're just pulling out of the Hat yeah no um you know and again it's got to go through utility approval before essentially what the utilities don't want is they don't want you to become a power plant station and so it's limited to I want I think it's 110% of your use usage to what you can put on the roof and so he obviously uses more than what the system in the back produces now whether that's degradation due to tree growing or or something that might not be producing what they thought it was the pitch might be a little bit off I I don't have an answer any more questions or comments ments from the committee any questions or comments from the public or Butters I um I just have one more comment I don't know that the information that you're looking for is available to me well that's my question um I have not run into this before um here or you know anywhere on any of the projects I've been involved in so you know to give you that kind of an answer I I don't know if I can you have a thought on it well I don't I I'm struggling because I'm not sure how it's relevant to to um it appearance thinking of um does he need it yes that that it is needed that's what Steve is basically answering they wouldn't do this if we didn't need it yeah we wouldn't put it on and the utility wouldn't let us do you know what the um orientation of the front roof is well we can go on Google Earth it's uh 196 so it's just a little bit off true South good as of course we couldn't put it on the front previously so all the panels were put on the rear of the home well putting it on the front hasn't really changed previously however um this particular house and the houses that are bordering White Rock and south of that um to for me it borders on you know what's exempt and what isn't now this is on the front of the house in a neighborhood houses across the street but it's it's right at that point for me that I'm I'm kind of on the fence about it and since uh you did come here before and we told you exactly what you had to do in order for us to reconsider this and you went and did it um I don't know I think that uh you carried your your balance of what you had to do so I'm is it is it a sense of this committee that we made a promise to the applicant that if he uh worked around the vent pipe that we would approve this application that make any promises relative to that I just that's what I that's why I oppose the question make any promises none taken okay all right um I I don't think I was at that meaning and if this were located in an area that further north to Route 6A i' I'd probably say forget it but relevant too you're where you are so I'm with Paula on that aspect that it's not it's a I I'm in the fence too mostly because of the roof color yeah the roof color was a dark gray and it didn't wasn't so blatantly different I would feel better about it but just that's sort of in your face that's sort of I'm on the fence I'm not saying no but I just sort of on the fence yeah I can't change that not not at this stage anyway all right well here this one how long ago were the other ones put on 22 I could look it up exact but I looking at the plans it was and what did they just figure out that what they and that's a lot on the back um well it could also have been the uh I don't want to say lessening the the changing guidance regarding panels in the Old Kings Highway District the the regional guidance um a year ago we wouldn't even have thought about bringing panels on the front of a house yeah if it was down a dirt road we wouldn't have done it so it's it's um something that there's a need and if we can fill it we will fill it yeah you know it's it is you know it's a nice neighborhood It's relatively new and uh did they consult the neighbors across the street by any chance I didn't see anything relative to any letters or I have not been in contact with the neighbors but letters went out right Lisa letters were not t you about I'm assuming it went out twice all right well I shall I just make a motion and we'll see how it flows I think we should move it along all right I move to approve 24- a027 all right is there a second to the motion I'll second it all right it's been moved and seconded all in favor of approving this application signify by saying I are you going to I Iain okay I I obain how do you vote no strong V you okay we have two extensions and one I yeah and I haven't voted yet yeah well we know where you're going so you you could be surprised could I surprise us well I don't know so we have two extensions in one eye I can't help you my friend I'm not not asking for help I'm asking for your honest vote what was it I I voted I said I okay uh I'll I'll vote I so it's been approved and um if you'll come up and sign the usual document to uh make sure you knock over the signs when you thank you uh run the gauntlet okay that was a tough one Steve yeah I appreciate that espe tough is it's the first one in the neighborhood yeah I knew what day it was before you started reading them off all right thank you oh you did it you did it right from the [Laughter] start okay there you go no they don't sign because they both abstain so here you go oh that's the most interesting phone I've seen in a long time charger I see was dying oh God knows I have to have it here piggy back the uh next application is 24- a028 it's install 10 solar panels on the rear roof at 510 North Dennis Road uh Julianne arenol is the owner and Sunrun installation services is the agent so tell us okay we have 10 panels and two arrays both are rectangular arrays um I may not describe one of the arrays is on the back of the house I it's sort of in the middle of the house uh rather High and um the house is very nicely hidden with a bunch of greenery um difficult to see the array that you would see on cvy Drive um I don't think you're going to see much of that because it's only 11° so that would be the one that would be more evident but I think it's up high enough and I think it's with the 11 degrees it shouldn't be a problem okay is that it that's it all right we you have received a letter of support I am the owner occupier of 60 cvy drive and have no objection to the application of to install 10 solar panels on the rear roof at of 510 North Dennis Road mine is the only property immediately abing the rear of 510 North Dennis Road my view of the roof upon which the panels are to be installed according to the application has the view depicted from right to left on the overhead photograph appearing the upper leftand corner of page six of the application I'm out of States I'm out of state this month and I received the notice of public hearing and forwarded mail I received there's some typos here I Sor sorry about that forward forwarded mail I received over the weekend the applicant and her a agent are authorized to enter this email into the record s sincerely Regina M Mullen TR 60 Cy covet drive or I guess that's Cy Drive uh nominee trust so uh questions or comments from the committee I couldn't even find the house never mind look at the roof pretty well any any other questions or comments from the committee I drove by and I and you can see that roof ever so slightly um even with the uh with the leaves and everything gone but um the person who wrote that letter is the one I assume that's right there looking at that um so I think uh you know the worst case scenario would be right now and there's no leaves on it and there's uh I didn't find it that obtrusive um and you've got an okay from the neighbor so any other questions or comments from the committee any questions or comments from abuts other abuts or other interested members of the public hearing none I'll entertain a motion I move to approve uh application 24- a28 is there a second second all in favor signify by saying I I I I I and I so Steve this your last assignment for the evening thank you you're welcome just need uh eren's telephone number I've lost it so okay thanks he blocked you anyway oh yeah yeah you filled in the day for me thank you you are try to be of service so close to Knocking that name please yeah it was very close to start please right thank you thank you Steve have a good night thank you you also see you soon see you Steve see you later see you next time bye see you later for the next item on the agenda is 24- a29 to install a cedar board fence at 19 Kingsbury way Kevin Tessier and Bridget mnam are the owners and all Cape fence is the agent and uh who do we have tonight we have uh Kevin and Bridget here welcome tell us about your fence project all right so we're going to close in the backyard extend the fence on the side that's 5 feet with straight uh top Cedar board and then go along the back with six foot top you know same um Cedar board um and then have the two you know sides that go to the Street closed off with a gate and then we have some pictures that we sent along uh of the uh so we're extending our next door neighbors already have a cedar board fence or extending that to match and then continuing to fence in the whole backyard so you're joining up to their fence yes and their fence yes there there is a six foot there's this is five this is five this five and then on the other side it'll be six okay okay and then there'll be the six foot high shower on the back uh as well that's not really any so you have good relationships with your neighbor obviously yes so are these like forunate for you pictures of what you anticipate it looking like or another that's what the uh the fence looks like for the from the all fen's website oh so I see okay thank you going say why you already had the pl just examples yeah than so you're going to have that transition slope as you could we yes it's a nice feature any other questions or comments from the committee questions or comments from abutters or other interested members of the public hearing none I will entertain a motion I move to approve go ahead Paul I move to approve and a second second all right it's been moved seconded all in favor signify by saying I I I I I and I congratulations and good luck with it and if you would be so kind as to come up knock the sign over and sign this somebody's got to do it although Steve already did it right yeah good for the night it's been in yes I can sign you can do it or I can do it so yes that's what I really have Vis what they want to do this one I think I understand it's on the side effectively I me want to put a stone understood this I agree it's not particular so he's coming out on the side here it's the front that I'm concerned withes oh thank you very pretty it's nice house without knowing as much as you guys do I saw get look quite attractive if he can do it he's going to build his porch on the side a different house go back this that's a different house a different house that's not this house wants it to it's a sample the next application is 24-30 to add a porch deck and stone wall at 208 Center Street sherod and Nancy Skinner are the owners and I believe we have them here this evening good evening hi nice to see you nice to see you all so tell us about your project so we would like to add a uh a three season Sun porch off of the west side of our home um which was you some of you may know was recently restored due to a fire and we weren't in a position to do this at that point so we're excited to do it this time um we also want to add a patio uh behind the house adjacent to the kitchen and I think you have floor plans that detail all of this and then we'd like to add a stone wall uh in front of the house um not you know a foot to 18 in high and we've given you a picture of what we hope that will look like and um that's sort of completes the project MH dry Stone laid up dry yes absolutely yeah okay any questions or comments from the committee I didn't get any plans so I'm kind of oh yeah I didn't get any plans either behind it's kind of hard to visualize that sun room is just gorgeous oh wonderful we're excited I'll share them we can I'll look at them B you saw them got them yeah see well I think what you want to [Applause] see are there any elevations probably not because of the fact that it's there is that's what I'm interested in side looks at the driveway to the house behind you yes to to that driveway that goes behind us yes yeah MH okay so while uh those who have not yet seen the plans are looking I have a couple questions um the gate what material will the gate be uh at the stone wall in front of the house yeah you have a gate between yes um sections we're envisioning it being a a wooden gate uh that would gray over time fairly simple okay it's I think I included a little picture a little drawing there I saw the little drawing yeah so I think that's the um the concept okay and what kind of stone are you planning on using I I most likely Granite something simple you have a good good Mason who's going to lay this up for you dry that's almost a lost art these days yes yes we actually haven't selected a a Mason yet but uh we hear what you're saying it's hard it's hard to find yeah okay um but if you have recommendations let us know I will think about that great thank you honestly I have uh I have sources of not for the Masons but for people who know the Masons Wonder thank you that would be great honestly if we couldn't Lay It Up dry we probably wouldn't be as interested in doing it we just no I think it's I think that's admirable yes um can you tell us a little bit about the um is a kitchen that the the the room that you're adding to the um no it's the West screen it's a it's a the screen porch is coming off of our what we call our dining room area not the kitchen so the panels are just screened in panels so they're stationary combination um doors so we will have the we can use screens in the summertime and then we can when it gets a little bit cooler we can change those out to to to glass with those grills not the grills the um what is it called when they're lights they're lights but they're embedded you know they're not they don't just detach if that makes in real I guess they call them real lights yeah so I noticed that there is looks like an addition of a new Koopa a Koopa on top of the screen PCH and a new KOA on top of the main house we have a very excited person who draws these things um we're okay to say goodbye to the KOA we're not happy to let those go he's um it's sort of his sign want to see Koopa added to Historic house it didn't have it before we're fine with that okay thank you yes it's it's um he did this when he redw the entire house after the fire everything seems to have a Koopa on it and we have not yet install you have to replace after the fire how much did you have to rebuild after the fire the complete insides the whole interior and uh and you know had to do did you own it or we did yes we did did yeah yeah we've been there for 15 years now there's a little Diamond feature on the West Side elevation what is that is that maybe that's just shingle work I I think what that designates is there's currently a fixture there a light fixture over the the deck that's falling down frankly um and so I think that's just what he's indicating there but Our intention would be to shingle it in such a way that it would essentially disappear so just trying to picture how this is going to I'm sorry you can't hear me just trying to kind of picture how this is going to where it's going to go in the existing house so I'm looking at the rear deck you have now so walking out of that large I can't tell if it's a slider or a French door walking out of the one on the right side that Parts converting to the screen and porch and then the left part of deck is remaining or is that changing that will uh the left part which left I'm looking at from the back so the from the west side so this is the addition is going there and then this porch will that change or is that remaining the same that that will change a bit too uh it all needs to come down something new has to be put there anyways it's old uh and it what what it will be is a much smaller deck space almost an L around the outline of the house off of the sun porch and then it will it will attach to the the um Pat the Terrace so we don't have that yet right that's right we don't have the Terrace no would have the Terrace I mean and and the wraparound deck you're talking about that that existing yeah it exists now and that goes away goes away so you're proposing a metal railing on that what's the railing on there now is it wood on there existing yeah those are wood what sort of metal railing are you envisioning uh something that is black that would not be particularly visible it would be um it's mostly a safety railing because of this the height of the of the patio and it looks like you're changing underneath the deck and sunp porch to put like a stone veneer instead of the lattice it's there now that would be an improvement yes yes for many reasons things like to run under there so you are or you are not going to have a koua on this not having a KOA unless you like us to then we would personally I like it but uh but my personal taste doesn't uh doesn't apply here it's your house and your design so oh thank you you can uh as far as I'm concerned you can have it or not okay so the the on the addition the you're going to do the the Fieldstone veneer MH okay that's on the back the dimensions may be on here somewhere but is what are going to be the dimensions in the center like 15 by 15 or a little 18 by 18 which is about a um it's frankly only uh I think it's six feet beyond what the current deck is and we're mindful of setbacks Etc and we're going to have to re survey the property anyway to move forward to make sure but it we're pretty sure it fits so the deck will come out to meet the front facade of the Sunport it will be recessed back a little recessed back where the current deck is so we're not bringing it any closer to the street in that regard okay thank you so the windows will be the same size as the windows on the house itself and um same Grill pattern um but they're not but they're um not double hung they're and they're bigger no they're not they're they're longer they're longer they're longer yes there's another set of not the intention is to mimic as much you know the outside of the house of the house yeah yeah no I think oh I see the drawing the the architect's drawing shows two over two but in actuality it's 6 over six you have there now right the grid pattern uh looks like it from the picture anyway uh on on our our existing windows on the front of the house on the rear on the rear 6 over six on the front it's 6 over six those are 6 over six these are all 6 over six even though he did four over four here I think that that's just I think that's the way the architect drew it but they're actually six over six so that actually they match better I think than if they were two over two okay so any other questions or comments from the committee no I think it looks very nice any questions or comments can you see that first first cupula uh looking at the house it seems to be way in the back we there are no existing at this a third of the house is that correct at this point we don't have we don't have any CPAs don't they didn't have any at all the architect well I know but they're not going to do one on the uh sun room but isn't there one on the main house in the back there's there's a chimney but that's it no there's no okay well on this drawing it shows it shows two did you decide to do that's a carryover from the drawings he did back when we did the fire redo and I think he just kept it in there didn't pull it out that's all yeah yeah yeah there's no there's none there there you go okay perfect yeah um all right any questions or comments from a Butters or other interested members of the public no these are my discards are we ready to um make a motion I believe move to approve second second second all in favor signify by saying I I I hi I and I I think it's extremely handsome you thank you would have been saying that if he was here so we get to sign anything go yes you do have to sign over you absolutely are required to knock it over you a dog no we don't we did way back when no you look like somebody who I keep encountering with just need the names and ages of your children it's a beautiful house very visible as you come down Center Street sign that's it unless you want a sign that's fine okay put a there you draw coopa put exra okay guys good night good luck with it good night is [Applause] here oh thank you sir when you're a builder you can do whatever you want else on the left right I mean compound is an outpost of the Chinese Communist party what it's an outpost of the Chinese Communist party sorry Japanese Japanese sorry that's what I was trying to say got a memorize your s it's a tough one week you around next week you help Florida that's my day for you oh I'm going to Florida cuz my daughter's in the hospital down there so it was a bit slow there I I won't mention it tonight when I get out I'll call her I'll try and do if you under circumstances I'm sure you'll get a positive response do you think he is oh high 12T the next item on the agenda is 24- a031 it's to construct a 200 square foot shed at 42 Vesper Lane Vesper Lane realy trust is the owner and James Basler is the agent and um I recognize the agent hello how you doing so tell us about this I'm just putting up another small building to keep some lawnmowers and Gard tractors in okay which one is it one way over here on the right this one this one y is that when I drove by did you have some 2x4s down and the ground sort of marking where it's going yeah yeah we were looking to see how the sighting was going to be so you you've went from New England to Jolly Old England with the the glass huh well not really it's a sort of an arts and crafts detail it's true Leed windows I have some Diamond light Windows on my property already okay that's good to know too any questions other questions or comments from the committee I think it fits in perfectly uh I have a really sweet arts and crafts Village that you've established on Vesper and I'll entertain a motion having Prejudice the opin the committee with my opinion question though you said on the I'm just reviewing some of the applications so height to Ridge 12 feet is that from the ground to the peak of the ridge yes okay thank you move to approve 24- a03 one second all in favor signify by saying I I I I I and I exciting to see it come to fruition Jim most beautiful shed in the neighborhood yes me it's the most beautiful shed in the neighborhood absolutely we don't do anything the easy way yeah no kidding why do it the easy way when you can do it the good way oh I should have asked if there any questions or comments from the public or other interested members no there aren't so Jim come up and sign this if you're going to make any changes you'll let us know all right I got ahead of myself enthusiastic about it all right good luck with it Jim thank Jim do you own the first house on Vesper or is that somebody else's and yours or the rest that very first house it looks like it's part of your they're all his they're all they're all yours coming from F your sh Road that's what I mean that's for sure yeah because it seems to be just separated quite a bit and I wasn't sure if it was but it sure looks like it's part of it look at it's beautiful look at the lot okay Jim good luck with it awful lot of people online that seem to still be there there's a bunch of Brands hello brts a bunch of Brands they're the last they're the tabled item okay thank you thank [Applause] you the next item on the agenda is 24- a032 it's to replace the siding at 12 mil Lane David and Alice Lucy are the owners and the cape house property is the agent and who do we have this evening good hi my name is Mark Clancy I'll be the contractor should you approve okay tell us about this um application uh there's currently I think three or four different types of siding on the house now and they'd like to go with a a dip shingle everywhere um I don't know what else I can tell you about it okay so I saw shingle oh I'm sorry if you're are you done you're done I saw shingles on the front facade and clabber on the side and I didn't see the rear so you want they want to have it consistent all the way around shingles all the around right now there's stained shingles natural shingles and stained clapboard these the a graded mayic they are sell them any other questions comments from the committee so this is a very significant historic house in the town of yarmouthport um beautifully situated I looked at it with uh my then life partner in 1986 to buy actually wow it was a little over our budget um so it wasn't built in 1979 as it says in the application but um uh so what are what are the the front of the house the principal facade it's that's a shingled facade right currently yes yes it the what I think you'd call the front is natural shingles right now it faces natural shingles and on the side on the garage of the principal house not the additions in the back uh I guess it depends what you're calling the front well Turn Around the Corner side side it's it's clapboard MH and then on the other side it's stained shingles clapboard and natural shingles so just for uh to be sure what we're that we're on the same page so on the side of the front H the main house the original house as it faces M Lane yep the material is what cedar shingles cedar shingles natural okay okay uh any other questions or comments from the committee any questions or comments from anyone who's left out there a Butters or other interested members of the public hearing none I'll entertain a motion move to approve 24- a032 second all in favor signify by saying I I I I I and I okay and uh as you probably realize by now if you're going to make any changes you'll let us know knock over the sign knock over the sign yes all okay good luck thank you you like Alum planning personally fin thank you kind sir the uh last new item on the agenda is 24- a033 it's to replace the siding at 170 satucket Road Lori and Timothy Malia are the owners and Marshall building acquisition LLC is the agent there online Timothy milia is at the bottom can you hear us is he muted Timothy there you are you're still muted there he is speak say something Timothy he has to be admitted in it says a lot of talk up there I think could you unmute yourself we can't hear you yes ah there he is hello yes tell us about your application yes good evening we're um looking to replace the siding on our house with a uh vinyl siding um it is a clapboard uh front siding in a uh a uh cedar shingle type uh siding on the both sides and on the back is that it yes okay questions or comments from the committee so the trim will be aluminum cladding it's not aluminum it's a vinyl vinyl okay the application says yeah that's big difference isn't it so I'm I'm a little confused Timothy um the trim is being replaced with vinyl or it's being covered with vinyl it's being covered so what's the condition of the existing trim is it rotten or you just don't want want to paint it anymore yeah I'm losing especially on the east side of the house I'm losing uh some shingles because of uh I'm sorry could you repeat that I can't hear you I said on the east side of the house I'm losing uh shingles because of uh the house is 35 years old um and some of the shingles are just naturally starting to deteriorate so um I'm looking to replace them with with this vinyl type of siding um in the to make it to make it more durable so I think you misunderstood me I was um referring to the trim that you wanted to wrap is that rotting or is it sound it's it's some of it's rotting um on the especially on the east side of the house um the rest of the house is um is pretty much in good shape thank you and I I don't see maybe I missed it I don't see in the packet an example of the vinyl clab birs I see the vinyl shingles but I don't see did I miss it Marshall was supposed to have sent that to you as part of their application when they sent the application oh I'm sorry maybe I did miss it is this it here maybe that's it okay I think I see it now this doesn't have this much detail so gray and what color would the trimby right I'm sorry gray the trim will be gray yeah oh the trim would be white the clapboard would be gray thank you the so the clapboard and the shingles will will be gray and the trim will be white yes okay great thank you other questions or comments from the committee Timothy how far back from satucket is this house situated approximately 200 200 ft canot see it right where did you say 30 feet 200 there you go look like more than that far pretty long way you can't see it but yeah I think I think um the fact that it's so far back from satucket it's very hard to even notice um any questions or comments from abuts or other interested members of the public no hearing none I will entertain a motion move to approve 2 4- a033 second all in favor signify by saying I I I I I and I can we just make a note on the approval that it's not aluminum clad trim that it's vinyl clad because it says aluminum on the application thank you y speeding it up I'll let you add that Cindy I think we're last on the you are we're hurrying through for you if that was on a main street I could see if that was on a main street I would not be a fan put M back in there yeah do you have an extended family online I do yes there's like 10 of them lot of support here tonight we're hoping to get a good yes from you guys put lots of good good will good energy going on have you here before or was somebody else we were here two weeks ago but we I lost my father last week so we tabled it and we moved it to this week instead sorry about that I appreciate that [Applause] thanks okay and we need to get this I'll let you put it in your own I'm putting it in oh you're going to do it okay the V not aluminum I'd rather have aluminum personally but to be quick make sure that suits you just so it's clear you know if you have to go back and look thank you all right so we have a tabled application and we need to untable it move to on table sorry um item 24- a018 second all in favor of uning this application signify by saying I I I I I all right so now we are going to hear 24- a033 it's to replace excuse me 24- a018 it's to replace nine windows at 20 Hill Crest Road Barbara brandit the owner and Southern New England Windows is the agent Okay so amand and bass and this is Barbara B BR okay so so um I'll try to keep it short and sweet I think we we talked a lot about some changes to make the last time that we were up here and we think we found like a really good middle ground try to address some of the concerns that were heard by the board at least with the grill patterns on the windows so what we selected to do obviously again you know replacing the full B Window was not really a Financial option for us so flattening out that bay window is something that we we absolutely still do want to do after discussing that the um only thing that we thought we could do to try to appease here because again we talked about doing grills on the top windows and not grills on the bottom windows or on the bottom sash of the window um it really was hard to follow that pattern of just having grills on the top portion of it without carrying it through where the bay window used to be and where the awning window that we suggested over the kitchen sink would be so what we suggested is to do two things number one is to set up meeting rails on the outer sashes of the casement the triple casement that we would want to put in at 102 so it appears like it's a double hung window even though it's still a casement you guys you guys are following that right you guys I know youall know what a mimic girl is is um and then across 101 to try to carry that same look over to that flat window that doesn't have any this would be the only window in the front of the house that we would try to extend the grills down into the bottom half of the sash that's the problem we ran into so this is kind of what we proposed was to do a a short fractional on the kitchen sink window short fractional in the center of the triple casement and then on the outer sashes to do mimic rails with Grill between glass and a 2 two pattern on the top part and we think we we really nailed it as close as we can get it to try to carry it across the whole house BL so I think I missed the meeting where this was tabled there was I think three members on the board maybe that day yeah um so can you let me know why it was tabled cuz what were you requesting before no grills so we requested no grills again we were trying to deal with the fixed income so we requested no girls new and we might not get away with it then we tried to you know basically backtrack from there and then this is the the drawing that we kind of landed on to present to you guys the last time and I think it's kind of appropo for the home and Miss BR you don't you didn't put down the age or the year the house was built do you know what year it was built 1970 thank you and then on the back one that was really the only one I had a question on because there was 109 on the back of the house it's set up as a situation where we can do one single window across it so we did a triple casement there but it's going to be next to a one 121 like physical full replacement um double Hong picture window double Hong and we were thinking maybe on that back window 109 if you guys would approve us just to leave the grills in the center window off is you see what I'm saying so it kind of matches I like that better you know it just kind of looks goofy throwing those grills across the top on that only that single window and I didn't submit it that way but just kind of so you would around we want to make that adjustment you're proposing that adjustment yeah that'd be the only adjustment I would propose on it and that's the window above the the um the garage I mean the um on the back of the house right the access to the basement and there's already been two newer windows that were installed or three newer windows that were installed at one point with the grill patterns on just the top stashes on the back of the of the any any other question any questions or comments from the committee uh my comment is that I wasn't here for that meeting but I drove around the neighborhood and there were several of the houses with no grids whatsoever even her next door neighbor so I was going to make the same observation in fact I made a list of ones that I saw yeah we have a little list too we came prepared with counter arguments 12 is a good median 12 Hill Crest 11 Embassy nine Brave Farm Road North and 32 Brave Farm Road North hey I thought I saw you I was legit I have a right to drive by your house okay and I was there was others in Hill too yeah especially with in the case of the 109 the center window without grills that that has you have company in the neighborhood in the rear is on the rear of the house it's on the rear of the house it's on the rear of the house it doesn't really matter but I know just like protecting the value of the home is pretty important I'm glad you're the aspect ratio on if excuse me if you're if you're going to address us and I hope you will you have to stand up there and tell and talk to us so we can hear what you're saying you can hear me I used to be well that's okay it's be so I shouldn't say we can hear you so that the public can hear you because who knows watch this this is this is uh we get high ratings for you wouldn't believe how many people watch these it's like big entertainment on Monday nights to do hi uh I am uh the owner Patricia dumbrowski of that 32 bra fform Road okay and a lot of homes need if if you know the aspect ratio from the inside length width and height some of the homes were built where they were very narrow very long or very high or whatever and sometimes you the grill being there just prevents you from visually extending to the outside to make it larger on the inside just a visual thing not a physical thing that's all okay thank you time all right so um any other questions or comments from the committee I think we just wanted to um just send a shout out to Kristen and Lauren that are hanging out through this whole process and watching it and airing Michael from California wow fascinating wasn't it all right confused so um do I judge there are no other interested parties or abutters who wish to address us on this application accordingly I will entertain a motion move to approve 24- a018 a0 second second all in favor signify by saying I I I I I and I congratulations thanks for your patience um and uh come up and sign the document so and we will make that Amendment on 109 you want me to write that sure let me is she G to give us a sheet you're welcome good night I I get along well with dogs just so you know earlier prop I'm going to say Asos to thee the Ty Suburban development of Cape cord 109 above bulkhead window 109 it was above usually it usually is when he goes on and on it usually is when go on I'll send it to you tomorrow y tomorrow y okay thank you good night see you so no grills no grills on the just the center just the center okay no grills Center window the other two on on either side everything else stays the same so just that's the only change um other right and left the side thank you Liz that make sense need your name on that one before too much I just try I try not to use it all ink can you fill in the rest of this today I researched all those to see whether or not they were PR stff that I all right H must thank you for showing me this I must do better notes this is the ones that I see when this is not on the list that I notice yeah okay so we need to approve the minutes move to approve the minutes from uh March 11th 20124 second all in favor signify by saying I I I you and I you here it doesn't matter you can still so other business um I misstated the date of the appeal hearing at the last meeting uh I said it was the 27th it's not it's tomorrow the 26th um I hope that it's not going to make a difference that people won't show up at the wrong on the wrong date uh it's attracted um a great deal of public interest and I anticipate there will be um quite a few people there for the appeal this is for 40568 1:30 at the fire station I'm sorry what what time tomorrow 1:30 I thought fire station chimney huh 405 the chimney demolition um denial um it's um it's on meeting house way at the fire station anybody who wants to know the precise address I can I can let you know but it's easy to get to from from the midcap and the other thing I wanted to bring to your attention and this has been on my mind for a while especially um in light of um the um Church Street solar panel um matter which is um going to be coming before us again soon uh that project currently could pass as an exemption and um it um rekindled my interest in the the in the planning boards uh list of um Scenic roads Scenic roads afford our our special attention um and um so I've drafted a letter and I'm prepared to hand it out to all of you for your review to see what you think of it uh provide your edits if you think it's an appropriate thing uh for me as chairman to send to Joanne Crowley who's the chair of the planning board and I'll read it into the record uh as stands now subject to your review Dear Miss Crowley we the members of yarm Old Kings Highway committee believe that the list of Scenic roads and the scenic road map on the town's website need to be updated specifically owing to their historic significance Scenic beauty or both we advocate for the addition of the following roads Thatcher Street Church Street Winter Street Center Street and Old Church Street street according the those roads Scenic Road status will enable us to give them our prioritized protection thereby aiding our committee to fulfill its mandate to preserve and protect the unique aesthetic and historic character of the historic district it is worth noting that with the exception of Route 6A all of the roads currently designated as Scenic were done so in 1973 and 1974 a half century ago Route 6A was so designated by Act of the Massachusetts General Court in 1992 updating the list and map is long overdue parenthetically we question the inclusion of Weir Road and Long's road which apparently no longer exists in the list and on the map to sum up we urge the planning board to initiate whatever action or actions it may deem necessary to realize the update as soon as as it is practicable to do so respectfully Robert Wilkins chairman of yarma L Kings Highway committee and um if you're all on board with this um I would uh advocate for us all signing it so how shocked that they weren't already on the scenic roads list those roads good job Bob it sounds great well good I'm glad you I'm glad you I may be one short take a look at the map to be honest to understand where church I know Center and I know they're all all the roads that I've um advocated are um between gingerbread and um well actually they're all they're all north of 6A Thatcher and Church of course are um church right defines the end of Thatcher Shore Road and Thatcher is uh between uh church and uh and gingerbread winter Center and old church are uh before you get to Union Street um on the west side of of Church Street and they're all north of 6A um and in my view you can all review them if you have other roads that you think deserve our uh prioritized protection that's why I'm giving this out now so that you can all evaluate to and uh and we can discuss at the next meeting or at uh whenever we feel com comfortable with the uh with the document I'd like to get it in the hands of the planning board um fairly soon um so that we can uh we can afford those those roads in particular are prioritized protection so are Mill and Warf currently listed as they are if you look on the town's website um on on the planning board page there's a link to the map and a list of uh there are I believe 11 Scenic roads that are that are designated by the planning board so you can find out what all of them are all all of them make sense with in my opinion the exception of Weir Road and this strange Longs road which I drove by it's right near where Richard lives and it's not there it does it literally does not exist Richard gorth or Richard Richard gorth yeah he dug it up when he moved in wouldn't put it FAS all right uh wouldn't put it faster would you so um there is one other item which I will um before you move off I just would say also that the letter is very good and I I commend the fact that you considered removing we Road I think that's important as well good all right um so I think I'll defer this until the next meeting is there are there any other um items to bring up under new business you said you had one more thing no I'm going to defer it till next time I changed my mind so all right um I'll understand a motion did I understand Mr chairman that you were asking this group to allow you to forward that letter as of now what I'm asking for now is for you to review it if you have any suggestions um and also there are members of the committee who are not here and uh so I will make sure that they see it as well and if there are any edit suggest I I I don't have pride of authorship um I worked on it for a couple of hours today and so and I've been thinking about it a lot prior to today but if um if you have thoughts on how to make it better or change it I would you have uh until the next meeting to do that thank thank you for the initiative and um and we'll if we all agree that it's a good thing to do uh we'll get it in the hands of the planning board okay darling uh I'll entertain a motion to adjourn move to adjourn second all in favor of adjourning I I I I and I I think you did a really nice