##VIDEO ID:H1nWjjoY6Hk## okay uh recognizing Quorum uh the chair opens the September 9th 2024 meeting of the community housing committee this meeting is being held in a hybrid model both in person in the hearing room of yarith town hall 1146 Route 28 and remotely via the virtual computer platform Zoom committee members May participate in person or through remote participation foru to chapter 20 of the act of 2021 and act relative to extending certain covid-19 measures adopted during the state of emergency signed into law on June 16 2021 and extended through March 31 2025 the information to access this meeting via Zoom was published on the agenda with the Town Clerk and on the town's website with a minimum 48 hour notice to the public the public is welcome to attend in person or remotely this meeting is being recorded So I move to open the meeting second just uh you just open it up by roll call vote and you'll call everybody okay um Drew yeah here Greg here joh here so the first order of business is request for rent increases for 63 wilon South Yarmouth and five apple b Road uh formerly 539e 28 West Dennis um you can recognize the project proponent and you just recognize the project proponent project proponent is here kieren healing um welcome yes yes chairman um K in I am the owner of the property on gin Road and my brother owns the property on applebe road um I'm here representing both properties um as is customary after a few years when the rents change um we come back to this board to look for some rent increase um on the properties and uh from here it goes on to the state and to the selectman um to get approval but first of all we have to come to this board um the number one criteria is that we need the allowances um that are for this particular type of project so I come in I with Mary and we go through the members to be sure that the amounts that I'm looking for meet the criteria set by the regulatory agreement on both of these properties one of the properties includes utilities and one of the properties does not include utilities as a result the rent amounts that can be uh requested are different obviously the one with the um where the utilties are not uh included those rents are lower than the ones that are the utilities are included so we've uh I believe we complied with the regulations and I to answer any questions you may have okay um Mary Did You did you produce the backup document so in your pocket we'll start with uh wilon wilon has three units a b and c um and you have a cover letter from Kieran um proposing the rents now I so I took those we worked out those rents they're on this chart they're on this chart right and so the first row rows are all about um are they in comp iance with the regulatory agreement with your standards with the federal fair market rate rents with the home rents including all utilities right and they are then you come to the second set and it talks about utility allowance and subtracting out a utility allowance and we use the current fouth I'm sorry Yarmouth Housing Authority numbers and that's where we finally calculated that for Unit A and B the proposed rent not including any utilities could be no more than $1,275 and for C the proposed rent could be not including any utilities the proposed rent could be no more than $1,479 so that's their cap right they can they can change their lease up to that um but because we don't have any contact with the tenant right typically the board conditions it on that with this rent increase no current tenant will pay more than 40% of their actual income on housing costs that just protects them they not that it doesn't it would never lower the rent but that condition would protect them from somebody being priced out of an affable um maybe you can tell us a little bit about who's in these units now are there any Section 8 voucher holders is there one that's vacant um there are l w units all three are occupied one is a Section 8 tenant um one is uh a mother and son they both uh walk the son is 25 or something like that and one is a single woman who lives in the a unit um she has been with me for 10 years at this location um and you know when you say utilities um not included I do pay for the septic system I do pay for the water I do pay for the ground scoping and the snow renewal and the trash so it's the primary ones are heat and electricity that I do not payer um we also have these units monitored by bable housing to see that these tenants comply with the income requirements um I have requested that typically it takes about three or four weeks to come back and we're in the mid of that right now I don't expect any issues because one of the tenants the latest kind of just leave been a year ago and her situation hasn't changed substantially so I do not expect any issues with the with these Tre TS complying with the regulations and the rent income um not exceeding 40% of the income two I know for sure that two out of the three will be able to afford okay the rent increase um and then if we have a question about the third one we call in bable housing authori to help us out to to determine whether they can afford it or not am I not seeing the current rent on this war many place you're correct you have up the top of your head the current rents the current rent is approximately $19 Less on both of them on all of them I don't come back we know everything is I just went to the grocery store we know everything is still going up so uh uh even though bville County modifies the home rent every year I don't come back to this board every year I come back every couple years so so when was the last time you were here it was in 2022 2023 remember it was you initiated it in 2022 so um they their their approved rents from 2023 it took us a while need to go to the board of selectman twice it took us a while to um to to get it passed but right now the maximum rent for Unit A and B is $1,081 and C is 1,256 and I gave my tenants notice that the rents were going up in December but the understand it normally takes three to five months to get through um all the different people have to sign off so the Section 8 voucher Holder will have no problem right um the household that just got placed we just did it they're they're on the higher end of the low moderate income scale so there'll be no problem and then the third one we just have bille Housing Authority look at it and make sure they're not paying so much that they become homeless because of the rent increase so that's why it's important for you to put that condition of no more than 40% of their actual so how does that get initiated with with barnstone um I've already reached out to bville toest the yearly monitoring I PID them every year to monitor the situation so that they confirm the tenants haven't added two more jobs or added three more people to the house obviously I know that but just they they uh send out a form to those tenants and the Tenant fills out what their income is and who's living in the house that they are not hiding people yeah their new leases are supposed to come my way okay um and he does a good job managing these properties he knows that you know with with Barnsville Housing Authority looking at it with me looking at it he knows it we'll catch it we catch it if these properties are in yarm why is because Yarmouth Housing Authority does not do that type of monitoring um and I have to say barille hling Authority is is we're lucky partner with them they are the largest on the cape and they do these monitorings look aty split I find um I find the only reason why this one isn't done is because um some of the paperwork that I gave them actually had a typo had another household name on it it was a carryover from a last so now she has to now because of that she has to like start from scratch and audit the whole file responsible also approve the rents rent increases we don't approve the rent as such but they have a monitoring agent checking to be sure that everything I do and everything the town allows me to do meets the state regulations so they're kind of a watchdog basically so once once the rent is approved it goes from here you'd have to take a vote whether you uh approve this then it also also has to be approved by the select board and the state and so then what I can do is I can let bable know the monitoring agent know what the final decision is if if if we approve it and but someone else doesn't and what happens it it comes back here so then I have to look for less amount that's okay do you the unit in this complex or just these three this um W mode only has three units and all three are affordable app has eight units and two are affordable okay well I'd like to make the recommendation that we vote to approve this I with with the but we want to add the caveat that um that no no T existing tenant is paying more than 40% right Mary yes so you want to say uh that you um approve the proposed rents as listed here which is 1,275 a month without any utilities for units A and B and then 1,400 1,479 a month for Unit C not including any utilities provided that the rent increase um will cause no existing tenant to pay more than 40% of their actual come on housing costs roll call vote and who second did it I second just ask anybody online if they have any questions that's I don't have a question Drew does not have a question okay P pal agrees okay so roll call vote uh P I drew I great I John I thank you Mr chairman thank you members and thank you now we need to do the same for the second one because that was just for wilin um the second one uh app is a little bit different because the utilities are included and the um the rent amount is set at a different way I believe it's 80% so the these numbers are a little bit higher than the previous numbers um unit six it's um a one beding unit that includes all the utilities and that is 1524 and unit number four which is a two-bedroom unit that's 18 to1 and that is a two-bedroom unit I mentioned including all the utilities um unit four is um occupied at the moment by a section tenant and unit six is empty at the moment and new will be um process for that and from the um the tenants we find we have to go through the ready rent list to um to select the tenant from there so those new tenants yeah those new tenants are not allowed to pay more than 40% we typically try to Target somewhere in the range of 30 to 35% of their actual income on the housing cost so um so again I'm pretty confident that these these two units will have tenants that have no housing what housing cost burden sorry okay do we want to make a motion on um I make a motion that we allow the rent increase uh so long as it is not over 40% of the current tenant or new tenants uh income second I and um we call vote Drew yes um yes Greg yes John I again thank you Mr chairman thank you members thank you for coming in we finally have this down P here [Laughter] so when we do our regulatory agreements right um we list the the initial lease up rent and there's no language in there but how the how they go about raising them every year and uh yeah I've encouraged these part of opponents to change that you know but from now on we're going to have a schedule of how they go up so that we would save them from this before we move on I just want to make C so y Housing Authority does not have the staff to to do this stuff and barn does does Barn do this wether challenge as well yeah yeah they they they make a little bit of money pay to no the project the property owner does oh yeah yeah the property owner does um some people use f Housing Authority uh so bable does it Family Housing Authority I don't know what other Housing Authority does it I that born this was not right we get our own yes the the the state has encouraged the town of Yarmouth to use an outside party so we don't I mean I'll just say it out loud I don't receive as much train as Housing Authority staff do from the state and also I think correct me if I'm wrong the Housing Authority um staff has more access to State uh Records income records of their residents I have to everything I do is third party verification whereas housing authorities can actually see they do a very thorough job as well they can see more like my question would be we have the Y Housing Authority they too small and too small they they're too small they're just at that point where if they get any bigger it triggers a lot more reporting and a lot more work so they're they're considered small housing authorities medium and large so two lar fouth yeah fouth is big this thing okay next um order business minutes think everybody got a copy of the of the minutes or draft minutes from the August 12th meeting you have any comments I have no comment the only comment I had was uh members absent I don't think Josh was here last time right no he wasn't that was that was the only comment that I out very good um I have a comment I will say um Mary as someone who has put together minutes in the past you do very apologize oh thank you thank you all right so do we need a motion to accept the draft minutes as amended by adding Josh to the members [Music] absent correct okay I'll I'll move that I move we accept those minutes um as amended I second okay roll call vote uh Drew hi hi Greg I I John I okay next uh is representative to community preservation committee okay so it's that time of year slowly um all the other committees are going through their lists uh and looking at their records about appointments and uh and um yeah appoint and representatives from other committees so we have an Memo from John Marie Fett who is the program coordinator for the community preservation program dated August 29th 2024 and asking the community housing committee uh to confirm their representative to the community preservation committee and currently Lee you're the representative correct is that something that you want to continue to do um I just stay on more years but not after that cuz I'll be really old old they say old yeah I guess I can say old you can say whatever you want I mean you're you're so old you can say whatever you want you get to be a certain age you can say what you want ex we don't know but yeah when I first on I had no idea what I was in for and I was in the middle of big Consulting project and then when the rfps came in we made El for ages you know so now I kind of understand the process a little bit better so I'm willing to stay on if the board approves but if they can somebody else might be better for this I can look at that so I will say this apparently I've not reached that age so I can say whatever I want cuz I still get in trouble is there anybody who wants to be like Lee's assistant learn the ropes what does it entail I mean so it's a wonderful committee because you have money okay okay some I don't know they program out a million or more a year well I don't know how much is available now because we bonded a large amount for the um that new project so we have our to come forward we're talking about Community preservation and here's Don Marie hello no no because I've been I've been in this meeting but would you can you take a a seat real quick quick quick this is D Marie FL she's the program um coordinator for Community preservation and we just asked what what is it in like what what does a community preservation Committee Member have to do oh well we have uh meetings usually from the fall through the winter through annual town meeting and kind of light meeting schedule from from say May to September but in October November it can be almost every Wednesday for those two months when the committee receives the new applications our deadline this year is um September 20th a week from Friday and then I'll spend a week going through the applications that come in and distribute them to the committee the following week we review the applications we invite the applicants come in for interviews and then evaluate over the course of how depends on how many applications we get but uh evaluate the applications over the course of a couple of months and then make recommendations present it to the board of Selectmen and the fincom and then prepare for town meeting which um the new Administration has taken over a lot of the talking Parts at town meeting yeah so uh usually there's everybody takes a turn presenting a little piece of the warrant articles at town meeting um we's done it right y y he's done it it's a script it's you don't have to wing it you're just basically reading very well in preparing us for that right and then umon who's the vice chair of the affordable housing trust usually handles that piece um like like the applicant usually a Committee Member starts the ball rolling at town meeting but the applicant is supposed to be there to answer any specific questions right and the applicant is who would be someone who's got some property that needs preservation or there' be a variety depending upon what applications that comeing forward could be a town Department could be Department like a park needs to be okay Goa but they should be present if there any questions available asking they answer the questions habitat the affordable housing trust forward we just got to get a little update from forward at the rock you familiar with that project they've done a they've got a huge organization and um they got a grant a couple years ago from us and and uh so we don't know their program inside and out and their project which is to build some more housing over on hok Rock Road and Dennis so they need to be there to answer the questions um like I say hisorical Comm privately or publicly owned historic sites come sometimes we own the sites some more sometimes the Methodist Church is coming in this year I think did St David's go through this a couple few years David y okay I remember yeah M friend said phase one it was approved last year and they're going to have phase two coming forward this year and and joh Marie helps them with the the application a little bit and then afterwards helps everybody stay in compliance with all sorts of town and state rules and regulations about spending money and all of that stuff so it's a it's a it's a great committee to be on um and you get to know all the different uses and the loc like the comprehensive interaction between historic preservation affordable housing open space Recreation you get to know a lot about the different parts of the town and of course it's nice because it's all under Community Development right so it's like you get to know the Community Development Department well and yeah and and some of the fun projects going on in town you know because the the whole Community preservation program came about to make sure there's money set aside for projects that typically get eliminated from the general operating budget so that's why it's housing open space and wreck historic preservation yeah because those are typically you know under the gun when it's time to cut budgets so Lee it sounds like Lee wants to stay on but she's kind of like okay no more than this amount of time so I was trying to recruit somebody to kind of well now we're doing three years we haven't done that in the past and I'll be really super old so I'm willing to stay on but I know I won't St on past that period yeah and yeah it's it was always supposed to be three years I don't know what happened it was I used to have to go firm every year pretty much I think right I'm just trying to get see if there's another member that can kind of watch you know work with Lee a little bit maybe go to a couple of the meetings see what it's like so Lee can pass the Baton I have some interest in it but I don't I can't commit right at the moment um I know I could do every Wednesday for for the next few months but uh um I I recall I I was an applicant a few years back in a different town so okay so uh and it is kind of a fascinating process and it is encompasses a lot of different things that's why I asked kind but uh I can't I can't commit right now if if I was reappointed and decide I couldn't fulfilled in three years could it come back to the committee to app somebody else yep at that point Shadow you I would be willing to stay on with that knowing I information um but then it's up to the committee if they want to appoint something to what would be the term to fill an unexpired term to fill an unexpired term so if you do two years and then you you're done um you could the committee could appoint somebody to fill the one year of your unexpired three-year term correct so um what I would do is I would I would take a vote unless somebody else is interested you know to uh recommend re reappointing me for three years and then maybe I think you think you have me on your short list of emails for the agendas maybe we'll we'll we'll we'll confirm that okay we'll make sure that I get those agendas when wee gets an agenda I get an agenda and then maybe I can send it out to the committee members and that way if somebody wants to shadow um we at these meetings they're welcome to that sound like a good I have I have let the committee know the I refused to come out and I'll be away from October 3rd to October 10th so we talked about that I announced that in the meeting Y and they'll all get the packet so I won't get the packet so I come back to my trip right right but because the next scheduled meeting is October 9th like I said the applications are due September 20th that gives me some time to get them organized and distributed and October 9th we start looking at them I'll be out of the country you'll look at them October 11 when you get back I have to say that when I first went on that committee I was in a very in the middle of a very large Consulting project and they had no idea what I was it for didn't the headge up about the other me once a weekend it was it was really challenging for me for that yeah for that period of time it's it can be intense but then like for the other eight nine months out of the year it's it's light as it's easy without being in the M of a big Pro for sure for sure it's a big and the committee is think nine mbers nine mbers right and it's it's the same for all new members you know what I mean they kind of go whoa you know but some of them have been on the committee for years and very experienced we have a staff person so it's I hope it was never been overwhelming the wor it was because I didn't know what I was getting in for and as I said I was in the middle this really really big yeah as it was a big really big project that I was ging so that was was a a challenge but I I've Ved it and I a lot yeah it's super coordinated I mean I think chair had been on it forever I think since the beginning almost so he's really knowledgeable about you know what's appropriate because the committee's responsibility is to make sure that the project and the application are appropriate first of all for the money and and the guidelines and allowable uses of the money of the CPA funds so that's the first really big question and then if you look at the application it gives other guidelines as to what makes a project you know favorable or most favorable highly favorable um and there is a a list of goals that the committee has set to attain and they're all linked to to the other town like the HPP and um the open space and recck plan for recreation and open space projects so um it's it's not just willy-nilly do we like this or do we not like it their actual charts and guidelines we have to follow and if I'm correct they have to be able to spend the money and they get reimbursed that's the other big point right and they can't they can include Administration in their application um because if you think about it actually we did recently have a candidate who wanted to try to do a housing project um but wasn't set up as a 501c3 and you know if you take a step back say listen this is taxpayer money we can't just give you Joe Blow $100,000 to go build a house and say you're going to let people with disabilities live there right that's that's not allowed you can't do that with taxpayer money you need to have checks and balances and transparencies and things like that now when we make this recommendation is it a recommendation to the select board to appoint me I believe it is um the select board is the actual appointing body so you're voting on a recommendation to the select board for a person from our committee the committee to be appointed to the CPC has to be from this committee but you have to make the recommendation to the select board and they make the actual appointment thank you that was very opport timing is impeccable oh I'm glad that worked out and we get a motion to make a motion to make a recommendation to the select board uh to appoint Lee uh to the CPC to the uh Community preservation committee for a term of three years if she does not fulfill that year that term due to um uh various circumstances then we would have we would appoint somebody to fulfill the term after that it just automatically come back to us would it yeah does they have to be approval that's given have to I recommend the S Bo appoint Lee Hamilton to the CPC as the chc's representative for a term of three years are you saying reappoint or because it's not but it doesn't matter we can say reappoint I make a motion how do I say this as was just said yep okay that work all right okay second question a second okay and uh roll call uh vote Drew yes um hi yes did I get to go for oh sure you can you can go back to be unanimous okay yeah yes done yes funny to think that you you were forced into it you voted against yourself well sometimes I feel like there's a CL typ St I know other people don't do that so okay now moving to Old business affordable homes act housing Bond Bill update not exactly sure what's new on that Mary right so um I did receive the um I I did receive the the whole bill from Town Council haven't read it is it 162 Pages really long yeah and um um I'm attending uh the one Cape uh seminar or or event that the Cape Cod Commission is putting on and there's going to be a section on seasonal communities um and then I noticed that Chapa is starting to put out information about the money um so um and we're going to talk a little bit about um the planning board coming up that they have some work to do about bring to bring our current zoning by law into compliance with the new affordable home act um so um there's been a lot of meetings uh the MMA and the planners um the Massachusetts planners Association if that's their name they've been having meetings with their lawyers presenting about the Adu bylaw people are really um they think that's the piece that people are going to work on first locally is to bring up their local zoning to match um and then people will continue on to look at the seasonal communities designation and then uh figure out how to get access to all those funds it's mostly a funding bill how long did the communities have to to zoning so the state law goes the zoning that was passed in the state law goes into effect in February um so there's there's many many many towns that are municipal is that are not going to make that deadline um so the town councils are trying to ensure that towns don't act in a way that causes a conflict between the local zoning and the state statute um recommending you know recognizing the state statute the state must be prepared for that so and given that we pass the Abu guidelines I believe the states a little bit more open and how is that going to deal with what the town has approved that they going have to come back to the jard buing Y uh it takes away several Provisions that Yarmouth Town Meeting voted for such as Ona occupied I think uh number of parking spots has to be changed I think we we currently require two per unit the state statute says you can only require one uh for the ad you um so um and the SI up in something called little looser I think everything got looser except for the parking no the the parking the I'm sorry I misspoke so right now in Yarmouth you'd have to have four parking spots if you had it added an Adu to your unit right the state says that the town can only require one spot for the Adu okay even if it's a three bedom right now now it doesn't say anything about and I haven't read it but I haven't heard anybody saying that the state what does the state say about us requiring parking for the main part of the building so that was I was going to that when you said it needs to be four parking spaces right like so what does that mean that every house needs to have three parking spaces I don't know I all the state has said is that a town can't require more than one parking spot for Adu but we used to require two for the main building and two for the Adu but I don't think I'm not I'd have to look at what our zoning requires for a single over the street and that's what this town you know the planning board and the zoning board of appeals worked out they said well when this whole Adu thing was getting discussed for like the last 20 years in yoth right they were saying well we didn't want to allow the second apartment if people were parking on the lawn to start with so that was their way of managing that parking so I don't know what's going to happen I mean our streets are are not built are we required to go by the state requirement yeah if we want money we want money from the state no I think it I think that if somebody yeah if somebody was denied a building permit based on local zoning that was not in compliance with the state statute they could appeal it and appeal it to the zoning board of appeals and they would probably win they didn't win at that level they'd win at the next F you know and where is it with the um seasonal because when they said posible and they said all of all came up Island all has been determin je for young correct right it's parts of bville County and I think I think it's more like Ptown and Toro no we are not an automatic seasonal Community but you can only be but even if we were you could you have to still adopt it because you have to change different Provisions in your town such as you have to allow tiny homes so the building uh code has just changed there's a draft building code that defines tiny homes so that's all under review and it does say in the mass building code all I know right now at this point is that they I haven't read it but that they they they do require a foundation so that's good news it's not things that are on Wheels right it has to have a foundation but it has things like it doesn't necessarily need need two means of egress because it's so small or that yeah but and some of these tiny homes have po up I've SE I've been in one and I you can almost reach the walls uh have a popup where your bed is kind of like aw camper and that has a window and that's the second means of egress because you you know it's so small you can't put in two doors I don't know it's going to be very interesting so where were you in a tiny home uh when I worked with Boston University you considering a lot there only so much space in the city and be used has so much trying to figure where can we do they put a trailer on top of the building back in the 80s I I was Lu I got to rent that I it's like it's it's still on Beacon Street if you have to go to Red Sox game search out the Reach the the tra the park in the sky uh so yeah you don't notice it but if you walking down um Beacon Street and you look up you go what is that uh it looks like a big trailer top of was bought up real estate and that you know all those old brown stones and such that they bought them and they they they really ticked off a lot of the neighbors uh but when The Neighbor goes to sell they go to be you first well you want to buy my property and they Jack you know they jack up the uh the rent but yeah they they just sprawled out into the neighborhoods there so um and those are all the apartments that I was in in charge of and neighbors hated us so um but we we picked up their trash we picked up we we shovel the snow for them but they still hat us for all the students but anyway um they the University considered somehow trying to find ways to maybe take advantage of it so we toward some well some communities I can't remember exactly here right now have built tiny houses developments I out in the west coast places like that you see that and you see a lot of um activists you know online you see people who are working as Grassroots movement and homelessness issues just building these things and popping them so it's it's interesting but yeah that's that's the only update I have is that really these agencies and these Lobby groups are starting to um have sessions on them more to come I'm sure it's a very big Bill where where does the town go then um if you with this parking issue for adus I mean you potentially you're going to have like Greg said people parking on lawns three or four cars on a lawn and and I mean we have we got some people that's moved into my neighborhood and I call it the car F because there's five or six cars and if there's no space on the lawn they're parking in the street as you know you just said the streets here are small there's not a lot of lighting you know someone comes around a corner and there's a car par in a bad spot but it's it's not going to be pretty um so um I'm concerned too with part Del you well I don't I don't want to speculate so I do have to I do have to say that our health department has a very uh well-managed uh program to get all the rental units in town registered all the short-term rentals registered and you're talking about the occupancy they are looking at um occupancy during their inspections because we have a waste we have a water quality issue so we don't H we can't allow an infinite number of flushes and I mentioned so I was in a couple of those inspections and people have the living room is set up as a bedroom in all the rooms clearly there's too many people living in this space um so I get it we might not be able to on the woods but at the same time you're right there's only so much so we might not be able to to manage it by parking spots but we might be able to manage it by waste waterfall okay so that's going to be a big well I know that the house that I bought um at one time had three bedrooms we buil down the bedroom and mo into a dining room and that's my living room now but we rented out in the basement that was awesome I had my house inspected the inspection said you can never have anybody living there and then later on I found out lots of people were living there yeah including somebody who worked to the um heating and cooling system that I use that I used to make space in the basement and there is a basement door what they considered it IL legal there's not to means it's very very dangerous a lot of times I've seen the ceiling in these basements it's not not enough space ceiling it's like six foot what is the classic basement cuz the finished and there's radiant heat in the floor but there's unfinished things because there could the Dos in the bedrooms that were illegal and so so there's some some things unfinished but um I was surprised and they own had moved out for 5 years and rented it out which is a um and neble drop the dime them and they were forced to sell and they were not happy and they were they let me know they not happen and they did some whatever things but you know they got a nice place to live so I'm grateful well I mean say in some ways it may self-regulate itself because um as the owner of the property do you necessarily want three or four cars parked in in your yard you know um so I mean that may in and of itself help regulate it to some degree but except you don't have to have the property owner there anymore how many I think that's a problem so when you guys go for the LCP you there that September 26th meeting you should bring it up you you should bring it up um September um I sent an email to you all about uh from the planning board the planning board has invited uh all committee members to participate in the local comprehensive plan the development of the local comprehensive plan and that's a good time to you know talk about that um say you know the the changes to the Adu how do we manage parking how do we manage Water waste water flow you know how how do we how do we make sure that these units don't negatively impact neighhood conc all the guidelines they put into there was still a lot of conflict the meetings that was discussed on in the neighbor country the that's all the things that the planning board worked so hard on with these Adu bylaws was to prevent this and now it's all gone so the top of your head how many how many landlords do you think in the armou are absentee landlord I I think that um there's a very high bar there's a very high bar set by the largest uh property management company in town which is Davenport realy that there's a very high bar um so so what's nice about that is that you have one company that owns a lot of units right so if you have a problem you can go to one office right and then otherwise a lot of them have been created more recently with our changes to the bylaw with affordable uh requirements affordable housing requirements so what's happened is that um they're very attentive property man management companies like we just we would just had somebody here today they know we're watching right so I think that Yarmouth while it might have the largest number of rental units um and you know out of all the other Cape towns we probably have a large number probably second only to bondable um but because we have so many Consolidated under bigger companies I think we do well I mean I I think I think for the most part Davenport is um on top of things and they maintain their properties quite well they do an excellent job so they set a really high stand for rental units um but unlike other towns we don't have like um we have like scattered sites you know one person might own one property but we don't have these midrange property management companies so I think we do I think we do fairly well I think our rental stock is pretty good so I was actually I'd say I was in some of those inspections it was with DP and the health department so um and yeah D does a great job of are they they're the biggest landlord in town by far yes they're the largest taxpayer in town so and we're very fortunate to have them because they do an excellent job um and then they take subsidies oh yeah oh yeah everybody has to take Section Eight yeah discrimination not to right I mean when you when you drive around town I I happen I mean I just know where a lot of DAV port's properties are and they're constantly upgrading the proper I mean they're putting new sighing on or doing something to to improve it so the properties that become problem properties are properties with the trash did you did you notice that Kieran Hy said he takes he does the trash see landlords are supposed to manage the trash the reason being that it can get neglected and then you get roast St so um that's the that's the big nuisance that we hear is that trash is piling up and there's rodents so the health department is on that okay move on um Soldier on veteran housing model uh the tour of the Brighton facility we had some Mary who put together some dates that that she sent out to everybody I don't think I'm going to be able to make that but if the date is set and I can I'm happy to go yeah I'm kind of the same way i' I've started Consulting um thing that's going to keep me busy for a couple of months let me uh give you the preferred date we wanted to do Wednesday October 2nd at 10:00 a.m. I'll be getting ready to go away October to is going to be busy for me between traveling and the H consultant consultant pal how is October 2nd at 10: a.m. well that particular day I think would be okay for me at that morning time yes I will have to check I I I doubt doubtful but I will try yeah I'm same I'm Bel full but if I can make it I'll make it well if it's you know maybe P can join us maybe Myra yeah at least we could make the report for the rest of the people would that be worthwhile any in any case yeah even just a video something when you're there um what what's your schedule for that day are you available October 2nd at 10: me P oh yeah I can do I can do that and since we're talking about dates are we doing 9:20 as well or is oh that's different yeah so that's a different site so let's just let's just put that on our calendar for October 2nd and uh I'll check with everybody else and because um that's great all right okay I'm doing it you I left affordable housing standards on there just so that it didn't fall off um I think uh the chair is still researching for us about accessible issues so um where are we going with that the the language for I think it should just be some kind of um language that you're complying with State Building Code and with fair housing or something like that I think that we should we should put something more like um that the housing committee and their review of projects with with affordable units you know um would like to see encourages um developers to create accessible affordable units and then just leave it there soes yeah because I think that um first of all they're standards they're bard of FL policies so they they're not regulations or zoning right but it at least it gets them thinking about it and in that form there's a form in it we can I can add to that is this an accessible unit so what happens sometimes is this is a kind of a negotiation ation right like you've seen it you know um they want approval they need a waiver or relief from something from the special permit granting [Music] Authority but for the affordable unit they'll do this for us you know what I mean they'll they'll reduce the rent or they'll make it accessible or you know what I mean like so sometimes when they ask for those waivers from either the zoning board of appeals or the planning board um because it's something like physically on the site they cannot meet they'll sometimes increase the quality of something else they're offering with the proper so that's why I think that we should put that in there and just keep studying the issue did we get any feedback on on the if there is a stated need for accessible units in terms of rental so the uh I looked at the current weit list for the ready renter um program which is about maybe 150 households and I didn't see that there was um uh a significant number of households that said they needed reasonable accommodations but we have um a lottery at 775 uh Main Street West Dennis um which got aund just over a 100 applications and one of the units had an accessibility preference so people were really encouraged to look at that part of their application um that this had an accessible unit and accessible preference so we'll be able to look at those numbers to see how many um how many people did have um a need um I can also ask um but it's not in Yarmouth it's l Village in nashby they just had a lottery I could see if they trapped that as well um but our our Lottery from two years ago I don't think there weren't it's just a weight list there weren't any accessible units talked whether there there is a demand and it's not noted because people don't think that there will be accessible units and then greig brought up the the issue too of okay you have an accessible unit that may sit there empty and rented something some right but we'll have so they just they just closed the lottery on August 27th that was the deadline and they haven't they have until you five um there's five more days for the applications that were postmarked by that deadline to arrive to the lottery agent which is Plymouth Redevelopment Authority so Plymouth Redevelopment Authority is now starting to really process those 100 applications so they'll be able to tell me fairly quickly um the the dat on the accessible um households a little aside on your on your um you say you have 150 people on the ready on the general waight list for the ready renter program how long have some of those people been waiting so our weight lists of that type are only good for two years and then the Slate gets quite clean at that point yeah unlike to reapply yes they get they all get notified they all get notified that we're going to purge the list and do you want to uh reapply other weight lists like G of commment and in school housing authorities you get on that list you stay on that list the house that agency will periodically write you a letter saying do you still want to stay on the list we're about to open up the list um and you have to respond or else you get purged right and then they they they pancake that list they take out anybody who didn't want to stay on and then they open it up and anybody who applies gets put on the end so those are the lists that people are on for like 10 years whereas our local units like wilin and 775 Main Street those lists get purged every two years because the state says that otherwise it's the same people on these weight lists and new people can't get access so that's that's how they balance it yeah I ran into that problem many times right you're spending way too much time trying to track one person down who Waits the last second to tell you oh no I'm not interested you like okay thank you for you know oh I feel your pain that's what I'm doing right now so okay um new business 775 Main Street West Dennis tour set for 920 at 10 10: a.m. yep so P that's the one you were talking about I would be there is that a Wednesday or a Friday that's a Friday I can I'll be done that's my workout time but all right I'll make a you have to get up early do you work out no you can't work out early come on are you retiring so P can you be there on the 20th exactly yeah I can that's awesome so this is a building how about you drew is that a day okay great and Lee were you going to be able might be able to to meet at just there this is Rob Warren he was a police officer for years here in yth um Steve Baba and the Rockstar um I guess that's the new name for administrative assistance is Rockstar Randy n mot and so um hopefully they'll all be there they'll give us a tour of the affordable units the other units the market rate units are already filled um this is the lottery that we're conducting through the ready renter program where we got a 100 units one of the units will be accessible so you'll be able to see that um and the lottery is going to be held on October 10th um over in Dennis um this was a commercial a vacant commercial building that they redid into I think 24 units and six are affordable and what's interesting is they did this big mansion no it's not the it's not the columns columns it's by cuppies and Ezra Baka school oh I it used to be a real estate officer or an investment office or something like that definitely two stories yeah yeah so it it's a big building um so and the units are are modest size they're not huge they're on the smaller side but they were able to fit in 24 so we'll be able to look at you know the building their work what's interesting 24 units how many are affordable six six five one-bedrooms one two bedroom so you can see because it's local units they were able to pick the bedroom Mi so these would be for people who live in Dennis or people who live in Dennis and around an area so six six of the unit so two of the six units are open pool right I think one has a bedroom preference one has an accessibility preference and two have local preference so if if there's no one that has an accessibility need applies right then that unit goes to the open pool do you know what I mean it's filled by the open pool same day let's say there's a veteran veteran family or several that apply but none of them end up taking the unit or qualifying at the final qualification then you go back to the open pool so same thing with the local preference it's there's a preference for people who live work or have a child in the dentist school system but if none of those work out then they go back to the open pool and it's only the initial resup um so these folks could someone Liv in I'm sorry worked in Dennis so they Liv in fou right now but they worked in Dennis they they still qualifi yes for the local preference which is on two of the units so the the state has just loosened up yeah it's it's always capped at No More than 70% of the affordable units can have these preferences but they're allowing this veteran preference they're encouraging this accessibility preference um so this is going to be interesting for our Lottery agent because now he has all these applications right so he has to work very closely with the state on these different lottery drawings and on the 10th if anybody wants to come and help pull numbers under the out of the hat if you're available I'll give you I'll I'll send you out remind me yeah yeah they don't we don't exactly we think it's we think it's at 1:00 but we're still confirming the meeting room um but um or is it going to be the morning but anyways it's either going to be morning or afternoon we haven't set the time but um we do need volunteers because we might you know um have to pull these numbers several times are the people in the room oh yeah so you pull their number and they're they're jumping for Jordan oh cry oh cry I don't want to make anybody cry but the on they can cry with excitement and the ones that don't they stive cry so but yeah that's the 10th all right good that will be fun okay um reports and actions um chair's report I don't have anything home Consortium um yeah the last meeting was August 15th um not a a lot to report Mary was also there making sure I was on my best behavior uh so uh um there was an update by the Barrett Planning Group on the shared Regional Housing Services pilot program Mary has been appointed to Y Point person um there was a Roundtable General discussion on the recently passed affordable home act as you mentioned it's it's 162 pages I don't think too many people had a chance to to to go through it too intently um so that was a short discussion um I have a feeling that will be discussed uh in the future in more depth um the September meeting is canceled due to a conflict because um um the chair of that meeting I guess will also be at the the onek one yeah exactly so so the next meeting will be October 17th and my guess is that the um the round table on the um affordable um homes act will be a little bit robust so I miss anything no no the the home consu staff person was is like a pargal she us to always work in law offices um know um reie meie so so I'm I'm looking forward to her read on the affordable home act because she is a legal background she runs a tight meeting uh Rey okay armouth Housing Authority uh just to remind you we're carrying on with the proposal for Forest Road and uh our proposed RFP should be submitted to the uh State probably as long as we approve it I think we'll approve it very shortly and they're going to give us our guidance on how to whether they think it's a a good one from their point of view on we go little by little that's my main update on that okay thank you d uh affordable housing trust okay so um the trust meets October 15th I just wanted to update you that um they're partnering with UMass I think it's Amhurst they policy Center I think it's Amhurst um policy Center the Donna here Institute that's Boston Boston sorry and um to kind of do almost what Ptown did with the short-term rental study um but have it done for Yarmouth um so Bas the town pays a subsidy to the landlord for around what they want to do is identify what are the benefits and the costs of short-term rentals and seasonal housing on yarm economy housing market Etc um so because we were going towards regulating short-term rentals but remember when we put that in the housing production plan there was some people at the planning board that said whoa whoa whoa wait they they actually generate some Revenue tax revenue that we're using to do the Wastewater we're using as a funding source for our Wastewater infrastructure installation and construction so so that's where we started talking about well maybe we should have a study of this so they're going to be doing some fairly intricate data analysis from statistics from our department of health do because there's a tax on all of this um and it's not Airbnb but it's air DNA right and they the air DNA Air instead of Airbnb it's air DNA what is it DNA like it's just a scientific term for code um so what they do is they they they they they scrape data they go and they mine data uh on uh all these sites and buy all this data you duplicate it and see what trends happen in Yarmouth um basically they're trying to see is there a real economic incentive to rent your house out as a short-term rental for seasonal housing versus renting it year round and how do you how do you um mitigate the negative impacts of that and amplify the positive ones so um that's what's going is the pay the trust the trust would would pay for that so just to keep you up to speed on that um um let's see the next thing is there an end date on that no we have we don't have a start date yet but once we get the Donahue Institute working on it they said it would take them six months really that's impressive that is impressive yeah so they're really it's yeah I know unfamiliar with the are and what they do and they're going to be doing the short-term rental piece for the state's housing plan remember the state came down for a listening session and they admitted that they don't even have a plan they don't even have a fiveyear plan for housing but they need they want all of us to have fiveyear plans so they're working on that and the donaho Institute is probably going to do the chapter on shortterm Ms so um so this is great because we're right in there with everybody um the next thing is um this the the trust put out in RFP for $500,000 for um an agency to run a home repair program um um and so they had the trust had set aside that $500,000 maybe about six months ago and so I issued the RFP and we do have one response which is um ho ecumenical council for housing who has gone to the community preservation committee first like directly and and runs a very similar program right now so um and then um we have a rental but we have money for rental buy down RFP I have to reissue that because we issued that and no one responded and that would be to buy property to convert to Affordable rentals youw should you be M hi Drew we can hear you okay sorry and um you have a question no I was just realiz and then the last one is they're working on several sites for home preservation um including in your neighborhood Le so that's we're making progress with everything so um both of those um dilapitated is probably have to be Tor down no just one of the two yeah there's there's like five of them working on they're very timec consuming um whose neighborhood is that Road um one of the units that we're uh looking at in German Hills they uh created two bedrooms without the benefit of a building perit so please everybody if you want to add a bedroom to your house get a building permit because when you go to sell it it causes a huge problem well when the owners of my place reduced from three to two go with the town so it was in the town record yeah so when they went to say well I'm not being taxed for three bedrooms it should be two yeah I had records of that and so did the time the building permit is so important um so that's what the trust is up to okay planning board planning board in your packet is the draft uh warrant article for the new calculation um for um an inclusion area affordable unit that would be provided not in the um project site but rather with a cash payment to the affordable housing trust now when this gets subm when this gets submitted to the select board I'm assuming right um do they have do they have any idea what the cash amount is probably going to be oh that's a good idea to have I mean yeah yeah and this will be for October okay what is the cash payment now Mary like 1505 like 300 we thought right yeah and that's what it cost though un what it cost yes 300 per unit the affordability Gap is about someone's building a what up at 68 DP they're putting six places in there so instead of one being affordable they pay the town right now it's about 100 3 develop 6 I'm just using that as an example that's going to be six units six was be 14 and they owed us two affordable unit okay two two affordable units but they provided a cash payment of about 155 per and so we looked at that and we said oh that's not going to really be able to buy us two units so we're trying to reset that it used to this requires two3 vote from both the select board and plan I think it requires um simple majority oh okay but town meeting will be two3 okay because it's a change to the zoning bylaw and so this is a this is a town meeting where you know members of the affordable housing trust and the community housing committee will need to be prepared to talk about why we went to change this I don't attend town meeting Karen green does as the Director of Community Development Kathy Williams will as Town planner um but there'll always be opportunity for residents you know registered voters to get to the mic and talk about it so we can we can get we can get prepared for that as October comes okay a um Community preservation committee year own rent incentives preservation committee um well I meant to put that under Community Development sorry oh okay so yeah so Lee well we just talked about the rfps the deadline yeah yeah September 20th right and then and then the committee assesses them and goes through them and um we all get copies of those and review them talk about them in the committee and then invite the applicant into answer ask questions answer questions I'm sorry this zoning article is for May I'm sorry not October because October's next month all right all right s but um yeah and that's in preparation for May town meeting and then under Department of Community Development um so we're going to we're going to rewrite this in in some fashion that the what it will have is we'll have an info sheet y attached to it or so so sometimes people don't ask you know what I mean so um they might they'll probably have that answer ready right okay but I'll make sure that they have that answer ready because if it gets um printed now into the warrant it could be outdated by the time it gets to town meetings you know what I mean the way it is it's when the um it's when the income limits get issued which is always a mov Target on the calendar it's never the same date that's when you set the price so um but for Department of Community Development um the board of Selectmen I'm expecting to uh have something coming out of that depart that um office the town administrator's office regarding goals they had a a summit a couple of weekends ago where the select board got together and they talked about their t top goals for the next fiscal year and what came out of that was a a directive to the Town Administrator to come up with ideas about how to encourage yearr round rentals not necessarily affordable housing not not necessarily affordable rental but how to get some of our housing stock to be used this year round as rental property um so um staff uh is working the Town Administrator um to get some ideas so one of them was um Lisa locals right and um McKenzie yeah and McKenzie uh Perry is the Y withth resident and she agreed to be part of this kind of like Think Tank group that the Town Administrator is putting together and the other one was the tax exemption you know for people who uh rent their unit year round um a tax exemption from the uh Town property tax so that's should we update on that okay did that tax exemption make up for profits that they would make they rented it short term I remember seeing something think the commission thing that they can make in two months what a ramble right no I think we talked about this relative to provinc Stone I think and it and it's um I don't think it generally makes up for what you could make short term but it it allows for some uh benefit back to the to the home of it right it takes away the risk of the first year do you know what I mean it pays the lease to local covers that diff difference in the first year two years that was just the first year and then there's no subsidy for the second year okay okay but people people like to have somebody in their unit year round do you know what I mean so it it just takes everybody that that risk and least to local says that the majority of units that they help establish a year round tenant stays that way so the first the first year probably comes close to yeah um paying the difference but you know what I think the goal in the end is to is somebody gets a good tenant in there and it's like I'd rather have a good tenant that's paying the rent every every month the 30 a tenant who pays their rent on time and takes care of the property is invaluable rather than like a weekly risk right and then what we were thinking of doing was you know that first year have a subsidy and then out years have the tax exemption so that would it would never cover the difference but it would be at least something from the town well incentive yeah okay uh upcoming meetings committee meeting we have to make a decision either the 4th or the 18th right y um I I the want is fine with me um I don't have a preference that yeah I just fine with me as well and either either time too um you're not needer you're meting October too don't they yeah skip the month is good by me I I put the trip to uh the D's house let me bear with me while I do this the meetings are the second Monday yeah so we have a we have a a holiday issue right so October will be the 14th correct 10 but that isn't that indigenous people's day yep I got November out early okay so I have a meeting at 3 o' on Monday October 7th not the 14th the 7th right because the 14th isn't that a holiday that is a holiday yeah will be in theel and the 17 I mean we can't wait till the 21st because that's early voting yeah no that 7th works for me and then we have to be out of here by 3 can we start at 2 o'clock on October 7th yeah that's fine with me but anybody have a problem with that I'm okay okay because the board of house starts at 5:30 and they like to get in here at 5 so let's start at 2 p.m. okay um and then let's just put it on our c calendar November 4th at two November so that's and uh November 4th is still because of Veterans Day Veterans Day okay yeah 2 pm then we won't have any conflict whatsoever with the Board of Health 2m. to okay so I'll I'll send out an email with those dates okay okay um I think that's it um any can we get a motion to adjourn I move that we adjourn I second that motion okay Drew yes p i Greg yes I John i p did P vote okay thank you thanks guys bye